BRAVO IDW BRAVO FOSGITT

>>29588695
I think fosgitt's art is cute

>>29588695
It's just a coinci--- what the fuck they copied Dash's helmet !!!

>>29588695
Fosgitt's """"art"""" legit makes me want to kill myself.

>>29588695
What's the source on the bottom picture? I'm guessing it's fanart.

>>29588702
It is cute, the problem is he puts curves in weird place. Flutter's leg looks broken

>>29588724
It's on the first page if you google "mane 6 armor"

Fosgitt really needs to kill himself.

>>29588695
Well, at least Starlight Glimmer isn't there.

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>>29588702

>>29588695
http://equestria-prevails.deviantart.com/art/The-New-Royal-Guard-260755046?offset=300#comments
Can we...can we get him in trouble for this?

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>>29588776

He is actually cool with it. No one ever win something suing with ponies.

Also he look more into the undertale fandom than the MLP one, he probably don't care anymore

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>>29588736
Topkek can't unsee now

All of his drawings look like characters have boneitis.

>>29588846
I want to say I can't beleive that, but this is Fosgitt. Being a complete and utter failure of an artist is just how he rolls.

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>>29588825
DRAW FUCKING PONY AGAIN

>>29588695
Resorting to stealing fanart as an official artist. How long can you go?

>>29589049
He stole clipart that you're not allowed to put in things that are for profit.

>>29588825
I don't see how he's happy about it.

Fosgit straight up copied his armour design and didn't give credit for it.

Even if he just doesn't care, Fosgit is still a lazy dibshit who couldn't come up with his own idea.

>>29589057
Where?
I haven't touched the comics in a while

Fosgitt is going to be at Emerald City Comic Con. Someone should ask him about this.

>>29589066
I suppose because it's just fanart.
If they were his characters then I'd see reason to get angry.

>>29589049
>>29589057
His editor do not care at all if Fosgitt steals or no. The only thing you can do to express your disliking is simply refuse to support IDW's comics and that's all.

>>29589071
Pinkie/Celestia FF, last page.

>>29589079
Still shitty, even if he had publicly acknowledged EQ.

>>29589066
>I don't see how he's happy about it.
He just doesn't care as much as you do.

>>29589085
The first time it was actually very illegal but this time its just a dick move. Why should the fandom buy your work when you just take shit from us without asking or giving credit?

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LOOK AT THIS FUCKING LEG

>>29589085
But IDW is actively killing MLP, can't we do something like inform Hasbro that the people they put in charge of their comics are ruining their franchise?

They even put fucking Foshit in charge of the majority of GoH comics. That line is now certain to fail.

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>>29589166
>Foshit in charge of the majority of GoH comics
Are you fucking serious?
The last chance for the comics to redeem themselves and they put one of their worst artists on most of it?

i wonder how an actual artist might feel about this. one would think it an honor to have their work recreated by a professional. i hope he did credit the artist at least.

>>29589265

wanted to add, i was like 'holy shit this is awesome' the whole time i was comparing them because they fucking got them 1:1, it's pretty great.

>>29589265
>>29589273
>t. Fosgitt

>>29589145
I feel like I should respect him for how little of a fuck he gives about the quality of his work.

>>29589371
Given he's getting paid for it and he somehow mind controls quality control, maybe we should start giving the guy some respect.

>>29589376
>>29589273
>>29589265
Jay, don't you have to get ready for Emerald City Comic Con?

>>29589145
I can't even tell which leg that is.
If it's the foreleg, what the fuck?
If it's the hind leg, I can see the pose he was going for, but still, what the fuck?

>>29589382

dude, i don't post anything at all like >>29589376 you complete fucking moron. it's 2017 and people still can't figure this shit out. my word.

>>29589567
The joke is that only Fosgitt would talk about himself like that, most people are more critical.

>>29589567
It's also 2017 and Fosgitt still can't draw ponies for shit, my word.

Also, the Illustrious Q still isn't writing for IDW.

>>29589764
Fosgitt' fans. They are the joke.

>>29588695
I think that Fosgitt art is atrocious, I'm not trying to defend him. But I think that maybe this was an innocent accident. We had those comics before when they drew characters completely different from the show, maybe this time Fosgitt looked for armors thinking there was a model that has already appeared in the show, and he copied it thinking that he was copying (canary of) an official design.

It doesn't justify him, it's still wrong, it's still plagiarism or whatever. But maybe it wasn't intentional.

>>29589801
>(canary of)
I literally don't know why the fuck I wrote that.

>>29589801
YOU were an innocent accident, faggot.

>>29589821
Yes, but I already knew that.

>>29589764

the joke is i didn't talk about fosgitt at all. i don't think you've ever had your material recreated by a professional artist - i haven't either - so i don't know what it would be like, but i personally imagine i would appreciate and be like 'oh wow holy shit' in response to it. that's all i said.

and again i'd really appreciate commentary from actual artists on this one. that's what i'm getting at -- i wonder what like, pencils would have to say if there were a panel dedicated to him in a comic like this.

>>29589801
>But I think that maybe this was an innocent accident

you are *so* fucking retarded dude. accidents don't simply mirror-match like this. i want to fucking slap you in front of your parents and then slap them too.

>>29589829
You and everyone else, faggot. Now go back to Equestria Daily and take your Fosgitt damage control with you.

>>29589801
The designs are exactly the fucking same, custom headsets and all.

>>29589848
There's a difference between having something dedicated to you and having something be a rip-off of your work. Some people might be flattered, but they're fucking morons. If you think Fosgitt gives a single shit about the original artist, you're delusional.

>>29589853
That's what I mean, maybe he thought "hey, maybe they already used armors, I'll better look for them", he went to google images, he looked for "mane 6 armors" and he copied one result from the first page, thinking it was canon or something. It's absolutely unprofessional, but maybe it wasn't malice.

>>29589145
>The left foreleg.
This is passable. It's not great, but it at least seems to follow the basic rules of anatomy. I'm fine with that.

>The hind leg that the left foreleg is resting on
This leg is clearly broken in at least two places. It is clearly not meant to be in that position and violates basic anatomy. I understand the pose he's going for here, but he had to break the leg in order to make it work. If you're breaking limbs in order to make a pose work, then the character isn't meant to be in that pose.

What's Frustrating here is that the foreleg shows that Fosgitt actually has some understanding of how pony legs are supposed to work. So he probably knew that the hind leg is broken, but didn't give a shit and drew it anyway.

>>29589863

if i drew something - as a fan - and it was re-created in actual 'canon' material i wouldn't go all self-righteous asshole and feel i was ripped off. i'd be fucking stoked they noticed and thought it was cool enough to re-create.

it's easy for you to say people who would enjoy this are morons because you'll never be one of those people. i could say it too and nobody could argue. that's why i specifically polled actual artists. not autists. you misread and while we appreciate your enthusiasm the position remains open.

>>29589801
He just Googled "my little pony armor" and went with the first thing that gave him a shot of all the Mane Six. Come on, man.

>>29589892
You getting a little salty Foshitt?

>>29589901

it's so easy to take this position, isn't it? 'everyone else is a lazy and uncreative piece of shit, just like me!'.

>fosgit gets paid for stealing and doing a hackjob
>he gets paid for still not giving a shit/not beeing able to do Anatomy
>Equestria prevails doesnt get to draw the comics

>>29589905

there's some salt, sure, but there's also this compulsion to perform a reality check. unless you thought your shitty vectors with armor were like god's gift to the medium you're not out for fucking royalties if they show up in a comic. you're fucking thrilled. you think it's the fucking tits.

you want it to be an ordeal because you cannot comprehend the type of joy it may bring.

>first the actual art
>then the clip art whisk cutie mark
>now this
I've offically gone from thinking Fosgitt's just shit to thinking he's deliberately seeing how much the hacks at IDW will let him get away with. I salute you sir.

>>29589928
It was stolen.
Say it with me:
"Fosgitt stole another person's work out of laziness"
They're not obligated to feel appreciative for it, anger is warranted.

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>>29589911
Whatever you say, Jay. Don't you have some bald women to fap to or something?

>>29589892
>>29589928
You don't seem to understand the problem. Fosgitt did not pay homage to the work, he did not take inspiration from the work or parody it. He flat out stole it and he's being payed money for doing it.

If you made a piece of art, someone might be using your work for inspiration or want to incorporate it into a work of their own and that's fine. However, someone might also copy your work and claim they made it so they make money of off your work and that's definitely not fine.

>>29589963

it would be like having the smiths cover your shitty garage band song. you don't get it and you never will.

>>29590034

i don't know how many times i've made it a point to ask if he gave credit in some way.

>someone might also copy your work and claim they made it so they make money of off your work and that's definitely not fine

honestly? the only opinion that matters on this one is that of the artist and the dude was fucking psyched, look at how he responded. do the math. you're on the outside looking in and your logic is sound and all that but you don't really have the insight. i'm not claiming i do, either, i just hate it when cynical is easy.

again just look at how he responded to it. did he say 'wow fosgitt i'm fucking suing?' no. he was happy.

>>29590041
If the Smith's are covering it, it's either not shit or they're being dicks. Fucking masochistic moron.

>>29589868
>maybe it wasn't malice.
Sometimes I wonder how people this retarded can be allowed to live.

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>>29588695
>be me
>oh damn finally Fostgitt made some cool design for one
>it's actually a design stolen from some fan art
>Fostgitt still don't give a shit to actually research his shit and notice a difference between fan art and official art

>>29589801
You seriously trying to justify lack of research on something you get paid for? Every fucking mlp artist and writer should watch the show like their career was depending on it. But only Larson and Rogers were actual fans and proffesionals.

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>>29589096
>fosgitt is shit
>copies fanart
>we can finally blackmail him to leaving pony forever
>fanart creator takes it away from us because "it's ok, i has of undermeme LOL!"
They have to go back.

>>29589801
>I'm not trying to defend him

Except you are and won't even shut up.

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>>29588695

You'd think they'd have learned from the Rainbow Dash micro.

Clearly they didn't. Fosgitt is a pathetic copycat hack.

>>29589223

That implies they want to redeem anything rather than simply kill MLP without losing their other Hasbro licenses.

>>29589801

No, we know Fosgitt already 1) copies and pastes stuff, even to the point of clipart and 2) Can't even get main characters right without blatantly copying shit. Assuming you can call his work "right", given the perpetual loony-tunes and atrocious anatomy.

As an artist, he's worthless. A C- grade webcomic type that got added to the roster because he works cheap and can drag IDW's numbers down to the point where Hasbro will cancel them, letting Curnow get back to focusing masturbating over real comics like the boy-toys licenses.

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>>29588695
Why is Shining Armor the same size and shape of a mare?

I mean, I know the real reason; it's Fosgitt. But I just feel compelled to ask.

>>29590854
Ahahahah

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>>29589887
>What's Frustrating here is that the foreleg shows that Fosgitt actually has some understanding of how pony legs are supposed to work.
No, it doesn't. That huge upper arm doesn't exist on a pony foreleg. Fosgitt just drew it with the same pose and proportions he would use for any human arm. (Admittedly, the show can play pretty fast and loose with foreleg anatomy, too.)

>>29588695
One of the reasons I don't read the comics anymore. I hate Fosgitt style.

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>>29588703
Tsk, even the broken leg.

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>>29588695
Are we not going to talk about how Pinkie's armour shoe is curving around her knee?

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>>29590870
There is no justice.

I get it. All entertainment is an industry. Churn stuff ASAP because you're a lowly contractor.

What these suits don't realize is that I go to entertainment to escape their bullshit. Only to find it here.

And you wonder why we're so livid. You wonder why we say that some fanmade stuff is better than the stuff you sell (after filtering it out via Sturgeon's law to the cubed power)?

Fosgitt is just an effigy that hides the real problem. The problem that has plagued /mlp/, /co/, /tg/, /a/, /toy/ and many other boards besides: the industrialization of entertainment.

Even pencils, the one guy on our side who is decent, gets lambasted by Bobby and has to change his style to appeal to IDW of all people.

What can we do about this anons? We can take it out on Fosgitt, and we might get someone better, but what about your other forms of entertaiment? Your animes. Your toys. Your cartoons and comics.

How can we, mere peons, implement a final solution to the problem of the entertainment industry?

How can we break the machine?

>>29590995
Vote with your wallet

>>29590995
https://youtu.be/xn-fxiCIX6w

>>29590340

How about G.M. Berrow?

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>>29591001
I'm already voting with my wallet, but I can't throw negative dollars at them, now can I?

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>>29591042
You can steal physical copies.

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>>29588764
lmao, even the big shots label it as "art" bc he's so bad

>>29591068
>stealing from a mere distributor that already paid IDW
Maybe we should crowdsource a lawyer and send the company through a costly legal process in a way that minimizes our costs and time? Use their own weapons against them and that sort of thing?

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>>29591063

I'm fucking dying thanks for the good laugh

>>29590995

This is what happens when a company deliberately attempts to destroy something it hates, while keeping something it wants.

IDW only wants shit for MLP, because they took MLP as a comic so they could keep making Transformers. And GI Joe. And TMNT. They expected it to die, because girl toy comic, who would actually buy it?

Instead it was more popular than anything they expected, and they're forced to keep publishing it. Only if MLP becomes so unpopular that circulation drops to a reasonably low level vs. their other comics will they have an excuse to cancel it without Hasbro kicking their ass.

Fosgitt is the latest attempt to mediocre the series into insufficient numbers. Most indy companies would see a series like this and keep it polished to a fine shine to get sales, but IDW does everything it can to make it a turd so they can go back to making "real comics".

They're embarrassed to make pony. Curnow specifically. Thus zero editorial oversight, artists like Fosgitt and almost no attention paid to actually writing anything, either.

There is nothing you can do to fix it, other than point out the deliberate sabotage to Hasbro, the failure to be able to even draw main characters properly, and basically the constant sabotage of their IP by a licensee attempting to drag down their product.

[email protected]

Get people from EqD or hell, maybe even Horse News if they can get actual media credentials to ask the questions. Otherwise, it'll continue to be shit until the ride ends.

And the ride never ends.

>>29591068

That only damages the store, IDW already has it's shekels and having nothing to return means they couldn't even send it back for a refund.

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>>29591042
As "mere peons," it's still the best you can do.

Maybe make it known exactly why you aren't buying their product, if the avenue exists -- industry speaks the language of money after all -- but they still aren't beholden to listen. Of course, a larger quantity of voices will stand a better chance of being heard.

I think part of the problem in this specific case is that mainstream avenues like EqD are rarely critical of the comic. (The one EqD op-ed to examine Fosgitt's style spoke with some positivity.) These are the avenues that Hasbro checks out, because they aren't filled with the pointless "drama for the sake of drama" nostalgiafagging of places like /mlp/ and so the signal-to-noise ratio is presumably a little better.

>>29589049
>>29589057
He can allege that he didn't know anything about EP's designs and it's all just a coincidence, if EP doesn't get the issue to court himself there's nothing you can do.

>>29591184
Well yeah, it's Equestra Prevails's call. It's his property. Ish. I mean, he's using Hasbro IP in the first place.

IP law is a fucking trainwreck.

Hey anons did you know Fosgitt actually did freelance work directly for Hasbro doing MLP toy designs during 2016? Who would have guessed?

>>29591148
>vermin supreme will never be elected
>he will never invade equestria to steal their tiny horses

>>29591231

Nice source anon. Maybe you need to add those to put more gasoline in the fire. I'm making a big compilation of Fosgitt fuck up and that information with this whole mess of the 1:1 copy of the armors would be a really nice incorporation

>>29591243
It's on his website in his bibliography.

>>29591134
Do you have any sources on this? Not that I'm doubting you necessarily, but I don't think you should send anons in unarmed.

>>29591134
If that is true then why does Fosgitt get half as many issues allocated to him as any of the other regular artists? If they really are trying to sink the comic why not give him an equal share or more?

This conspiracy theory makes no sense. Also all comic artwork is sent to Hasbro for approval and notes.

>>29591252

You mean his tumblr

any link?

>>29591391
I said website not blog: jayfosgitt.com/about.html

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>>29591417

Thanks

>>29591419
>>29591252
>>29591282
>>29591231
Not even any of the toys announced for the movie look like Fosgitt designed them. What did he do?

>>29591431
How would you know if Foshitt designed them?
He probably had the same amount of creative control over the look of the final product as the storyboarders for the show do, very little style bleeds through corporate firewalls.

>>29591447
You can clearly tell that Amy Mebberson designed the EqG Minis, though. I think that he did design stuff, but that it couldn't be used/turned into a mass manufactured product.

>>29591447
>>29591451

Plotwist: Jay create Capper and birdtits

>>29591465
"Created," ESL retard.

>>29591203
Besides copyright law, Fosgitt is disallowed by contract to look and much less imitate fan art (well, the show writers and animators are, I'm pretty sure there should be a similar clasue for the case of Fosgitt working directly in the MLP comics), EP wouldn't have an issue in the legal sense since he's making a modification of the designs by Hasbro, he's not using official assets from MLP's production or merchandising teams and he's not profiting from it. If anyone pointed that out to his superiors he'd be in big trouble, however we could only assure that he indeed copied the work by legal means, hell, if EP simply complained directly to Hasbro I'm sure they'd force IDW to even retire the issue from market and modify it and reprint it with a different resign and they would have all the reasons needed to fire Fosgitt if they wanted.

>>29591041
>this meme again
Berrow isn't good at all
Her books are mediocre
Her single episode was mediocre too

>>29591431
Well, if he designed a toy you wouldn't be able to tell, it's not like all the broken legs, unfinished clothes, wavy lines or anything about his art style translates into the physical product, it only means that at some point they used something he had drawn as re references for general size, clothing and color of a character, considering they are all made with basic molds.

>>29591542
But he's flattered.

He's not pressing charges.

They'll keep doing it and keep getting away with it.

>>29591628
Exactly.

>>29591579
That's kind of dishonest of him, then. It's not like Mebberson, who was told to come up from a design explicitly for a toy whose proportions and design directly translated to the final product.

>>29591628
>>29591635
>>29591542
It doesn't mean he's not a hack and a thief.

>>29588695
I honestly don't think they copied off of anyone. Imagine the mane 6 in armor in a style that is consistent with the show. This is what you come up with.

>>29589098
MLP fanart is an illegal violation of US trademark law. Any fan artist who gets his art stolen has no legal recourse, as the law says the art never belonged to them in the first place.

>>29591643
>proportions and design directly translated to the final product.
That's because her proportions and design are directly compatible with what they have in hand or extra assets they would be willing to spend money of making, and that happens because her drawings probably match the original designs of the characters on a basic level.
Take for example this very case, if they wanted to make toys of the mane 6 in armor, it wouldn't really matter much which picture was pitched as designs, the final product would look essentially the same since they got the same shapes and color combinations (ignoring the obvious differences product of Fosgitt's laziness, that would obviously be noticeable in the final product seeing how the armor of 2 characters cover their bellies and the hair design being unchanged from the base model, supposing they had solid plastic manes). But once the toy was made it would be much more easily recognizable by the second drawing than by the first, even with the differences such as the mane being unrecognizable if it was made of threads like the old toys, the pointy snouts, ears and eyes or the lack of jagged edges in general that are indeed present in the drawing and are part of Equestria-Prevails art style.
If you look at concept art for videogames you'll see that most of the time the final product and the drawings share very little similarities other than key aspects such as general silhouette and color palette, the idea is to simply give a visual representation to what the character is already supposed to be in the script, so yeah, the person doing the very first concept drawing of a design doesn't really have to be good or anything, just convince their contractor it expresses the idea they want to convey, they can hire a better artist later to give a more solid design if they find trouble working with the initial one or want something changed/better defined.

>>29591791
> IDWanker detected

>>29591759
>MLP fanart is an illegal violation of US trademark law.
If you modify it so that it is clear that the product you are making did not came directly from, let's say, a screencap from the show, and the artist isn't profiting from it; it falls under fair use.

>>29591800
>Le ebin boogeyman XDDDD
What are you even coming from? please tell me in which part of my posts did I praise, glorify or justify Jay Fosgitt's artistic career or work? No I simple stated that it is indeed possible that he had a hand in the design of an MLP product even if no toys actually remind you of his "art".
Just find someone else to shitpost with, this is an entirely different topic.

>>29591829
> you disagree with me so u are a shitposter

brillian logic of yours, anon

>>29591791
So basically they wasted their money on Fosgitt because nothing he did is directly compatible with what they wanted?

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>>29591834
>He's not constantly shitting on and insulting this person I dislike, that means he's defending it and disagrees with me on a topic completely different to the one he's actually talking about
Please explain to me how exactly can I disagree with you if you aren't even making a point. Talk about logic, king of pointland.

>>29591852
If he was able to come up with an idea they liked then it is not a waste, maybe they could've considered it over-expensive, but they probably also hired a lot of other people who may or may not have been more talented but didn't like their designs. Hell, it is even possible his designs didn't go through either, but he thinks and claims that he had a hand in it simply because he was hired to draw something for them at some point.

>>29591877
> calling names

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>>29591899
>dodging the question

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Look who's defending Fosgitt's future comics.

>>29591813
>he thinks fair use exists

That's why Friendship is Witchcraft was never taken down, right?

>>29591309
Half? Dude he got EQUAL comics in this GOH run. For the fucking CLIMAX too.

>>29592411
FiW was taking money to fund their project, it was too big and some of the art looked a lot like the official product; and if I recall correctly they were planning on SELLING the game, that is, make a profit. Yeah, usually, if the IP holder claims that a fan work is violating their copyright the court will listen to them first and take the second party in very little consideration, but that doesn't mean the claim of violation was legit. In the USA the law is written so that it is applied directly after the judge's criteria, however opinionated and biased that may be, but it is a wise rule considering how brief, shady and unclear most laws in the US are made; in other countries the judge is only there to be sure that the law they say is being broken is indeed being broken and the rest of the procedure is done by the book letter by letter, but that doesn't mean the written law is comprehensive enough so loopholes are very easy to find or sometimes someone may find themselves unable to protect themselves from potential threats with, for example, restriction orders.

>>29592411
>>29592625
Wait, friendship is witchcraft was making a game?

or do you mean fighting is magic?

>>29592696
Ah fuck, I got mixed over.
Well, I already gave my explanation for that too indirectly, the judges are biased in favor of the bigger companies and Hasbro could also claim infringement on grounds that they were using official material (clips from the show), even if it fits all over the definition of parody/transformative work.

>>29591063
someone has to tweet this at him

>>29592338
hn snork and illustruous q are 2 biggest shill on that site.

Illustrous Q at least shut up and don't get involved with negative comments. Hn Snork will make am entire page of wall texts that tells you that you should never criticise the show, even SAYS or MMDW because we aren't experts and aren't worthy of making negative opinions when the show is for little girls and the writers have hidden artisitc talent that we just "don't get"

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>>29594350
What did he meant by that?

>>29594366
What? he's basically pointing out all the reasons why Vogel's episodes are shitty, then twisting them to validate his point... maybe he's a lawyer. I could say psychologist but since he's not arguing by method of profiling his opponents instead of addressing their points he's clearly not.

Why are these comics so horribly drawn?

>>29594366
>From a practical perspective, entertainment value is impossible to define
You can drop it here, it's retarded

>>29594734
Fosgitt works for peanut shells and used lube. It's the same reason 98% of shit you own is made in China.

>>29594350
>Illustrous Q at least shut up and don't get involved with negative comments

Fun fact: Sethisto put a leash on him because he was driving visitors away and in fact, not even the staffers could put up with him anymore.
That's why Q has been unusually quiet instead of patroling the comics comments and going for the neck of any person who tries to have a negative opinion.

>>29590995
Give money to good artists. Don't give money to bad artists.

>>29595296

How DO you define entertainment value in a practical sense?

>>29588695
Sometimes I fear my artwork is just as bad as his

>>29595420
how can you not DEFINE something in a practical sense ? If you looked up a definition on a dictionnary it would look like "a quantifiable value related to enjoyment", because a standard definition is always practical by nature
If you can define what entertainment value is, then of course you can define it from a practical perspective, because that very definition should already be one (note that I'm talking about definitions and not descriptions that may diverge from a purely practical description)