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This is my first try at ponies. Kinda want to get into YCH commissions. Got a long road ahead.

Any feedback is welcome

>>29115603
hooves are a little too narrow desu

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Is there a way to improve without drawing the same thing over and over again like everyone says to do? I like drawing and I want to get better, but drawing the same body part 20+ times a day is boring as hell. Are there any alternatives? If not I'll stick with it I guess

>>29115645
Just draw.
It may seem simple but that is what you gotta do.
Have a critical look at your stuff.
How are the lines? How is the persprective? How is....
Draw the same pony in differet situations and from different view points.

Learning to actually draw looks frightening. But I want to move on from creating simple sprite animations like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLlQI0DLmk

I'm Working on a short christmas thing that's the first without resorting to sprites, and It's taking me forever for simple drawings of the characters. I have a pretty good idea of how things should look, I just can't implement them easily. Is it really just like everything else though? Practice makes perfect?

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>>29117998
you just have to practice. it aint ez

also wtf is that video

>>29118016
My brain at work.

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>>29115410
Bump

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What face do ponies make when they are sleeping/snoring?

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So guys

I basically bought this shitty drawing tablet for drawing technical documents and blueprints for my project and instead I started drawing horses

But for some reason, the ones with the help sketch (or however is it called) look kinda better than those without it.

Where am I getting wrong? Or any feedback would be welcome

>>29121960
I used to feel that too until I started drawing well enough that it looked better without it

probably just a psychological thing.

>>29121960
The shapes are all over the place when it's the shapes that define the head as a big glob and so on.
Thus, if you lose the sketch underneath, their heads stop looking even remotely like a globe and thus look off to you.

Maybe drop the neck for now and practice the proportions/expressions a bit more until you're more comfortable with how it's supposed to look like.

>>29121980
>>29122008

alright thanks guys

I am just going on and on with practicing, so hopefully eventually will get it right

Tbh

Smh

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I've recently finished a brief 10 week course of sequential art at my school, and now I'm kinda hooked on drawing a pony comic just for the hell of it. However, what I've noticed is that it. takes. TIME. And a lot of it. I come to improvement threads like these all the time, but practicing the fundamentals will only get you so far.

My question is thus: does anyone have any recommendations of tutorials that help teach you to work smarter and not harder? Specifically tutorials about different methods of coloring, and how to draw more efficiently. I only have 3 hours out of the whole day to draw anything, and the more I browse around sites like these for tutorials, the more efficiently I can work.

As for my comic, I started with this

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>>29125339
Knew it was shit right from the start so I experimented until I reached this

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>>29125344
And after hours of looking at reference, and what was wrong here and there, this was the last page result. If anyone has feedback, please don't hold back.

>>29115410

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>>29115645
>drawing the same body part 20+ times a day is boring as hell

Then find a way to make it interesting for yourself. Draw for others or tell stories.

>>29121960

>the ones with the help sketch (or however is it called)

Undersketch. Eventually your drawings will become less rigid as you gain more experience and intuition. Find the feature placement and proportions that work for you and practice it. Get critique too.

>>29125339

>it. takes. TIME. And a lot of it

Yes. Getting "gud" is a thankless job. No one appreciates nor cares about the struggles or time it takes to get good at art. Just keep pushing yourself, brother.

>does anyone have any recommendations of tutorials that help teach you to work smarter and not harder

Working harder is the name of the game so get used to it. There are countless tutorials and "how-tos" out there and hardly a filter for it all. Tons of bad advice and good advice and it can be daunting trying to drudge through it all and figure what what works for you. I've personally compiled a playlist that has helped me the past few years: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3eCAp-aHYq3qOiyMfChWe9EchzhkTTtW

Nothing beats the actual act of DRAWING so just keep pushing.

>>29115645

Its just the faster way, also I suggest 20 an hour and 100 a day
Quantity>quality when you are a beginner

>>29128722

>>29125347
>>29125344
>>29125339
It looks like you're jumping far ahead of your skill level. Are you trying to learn human anatomy or pony anatomy? Master one before doing both

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The annoying dart about drawing ponies is the fact that they don't exist and there's often no reference to find.
Especially when you need them to do human things.

>>29115628
I don't want to hear about your masturbatory habits.

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those damn hindlegs took me almost an hour before I figured it out

also any feedback?

I still feel that the body is bad in some way, especially the legs

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I think I am slowly getting the faces right

https://picarto.tv/Jekijet

XXXMas Streaming NSFW Trixie

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>>29132415
Your legs are too tubular. They need to widen near the hooves. They're also too straight

Observe this pony's feet

>>29133247
keep at it!

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Just got back into drawing. I used to draw all the time when I was a highschool faggot but have since stopped. Here enjoy a moonbutt /mlp/ that I drew last night.

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What's a good process for shading hair. I've tried many different ways, but can't get a result I'm proud of. Pic is a more recent example.

>>29133247
you are still zimbabwe-tier, but keep trying and maybe look up some cleaner brush settings/use a stabilizer

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Can I get a crit on pony I did for another thread?

>>29135674
Still pushing that zimbabwe thing, good luck making it into a meme, I believe in you.

>>29135790
>t. Mugabe

>>29135390
very nice anon i like it a lot.

>>29135735
Its wings are cool.
But the hoof's look like pussy.

>>29135735

the hooves are triggering me
recolor them

>>29136535
what color should they be?

>>29136549
A darker shade of the body color

vump

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>>29135735

Page 8 bump
Been working on some new stuff now that I finally have some colored pencils with a bigger color palate.

>>29140368
I've been working on pencil control and muzzles.

dont know why but bump

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How would you draw Twilight's hair from this angle? I can't find a single reference anywhere and I can't picture it in my head no matter how hard I try

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>>29143411

Probably not the best example but breaking down twilight's mane into a simple hemisphere helps. You have to match the perspective that you're going for.

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>>29130918
I'm practicing both types of anatomy, but I was also trying to work quick. The shit quality is a result of less than 6 hours of work per page give or take. Also coupled with the fact that I don't have much time to practice on a daily basis. When I really set aside time to work as long as I want to on a work, the quality becomes like the posted (WIP) pic. Whether or not I'm ahead of my skill, I'll let you be the judge, so please crit on what I have to show for now, and any suggestions on improving speed or efficiency of drawing would be greatly appreciated.

>>29124324
posting draw to bump.

desu I've been feeling guilty about drawing more horsies, but over the last few months I feel like I've gotten way better at dealing with light and forms and general because I don't have to think much about texture, design, and whatnot. Plus I've refined my workflow a bit more and got to focus on editing my tool presets to make it more snug for me.

How're you guys feeling about your gains this year?

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Did I draw the pony right?

>>29144281
>>>/trash/

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>>29144259
Made a progress thing since some Anons liked it last time and I saved enough versions of it.

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I drew a glim glam today.
I know her right iris is definitely too big, my black pencil decided to drag on the far side and I had to even it out..
Anyway, anyone care to critique a little?

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>>29145355
I noticed in the picture the colors around her mane look a little patchy and undefined so I darkened them and shaped a few of the edges a little better.

Also a bump since no one's here yet today.

>>29145430
>>29145355
Looks pretty good. Did you trace/copy it or did you draw it from scratch?

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>>29145604
Thanks
It's all freehand using this picture as reference

>>29145430
>>29145355
I also don't know why these are posting sideways, I tried rotating the picture but whatever

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>>29143553
Thanks! I should be able to work with this

>>29143282
This is insanely helpful

>>29145718
t b h I think the art is a little off, there are better guides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIQagtv69-8&t=1548s

>>29145790

I agree. It's still a guide never the less. Those ponies look very Zimbabwe-esque.

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>>29144910
>How're you guys feeling about your gains this year?

Definitely happy with my gains overall but I felt I could have done better. I get sidetracked way too much with other shit like video games. One of my new year's resolutions for 2016 was to color more and I did that. A small resolution but one never the less and one I felt I could attain.

>I've been feeling guilty about drawing more horsies

I know that feeling but I take it as this was contributing to my overall mileage. I would make it a point to draw human figure and gesture drawing every now and then so it wasn't a total loss.

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I'm new to drawing and I'm starting with the basics and looking for critiques.

>>29115603
>http://www.gimp.org/
Everything looks A-ok, but the hair, eyes, and snout don't seem to complement the body. This is just an opinion of taste, though. Good work, anon.

>>29146615
whoops, didn't mean to add the hyperlink

>>29146615
thank you

>>29146579
>eye position/shape/size isn't correct
>the mouth/snout shape is off
>neck going into chest is wrong (it's more of a flat line going into the chest)
>ear has a wrong angle and shape
>it has a nicki minaj ass
>the hind legs are way out of proportion and not the right shape
>the body is too long horizontal wise
>body overall needs better proportions in certain aspects

Make sure you use references while you're drawing and you will get the proportions and shapes done a bit better. Mostly the worst thing on this is the eye which is completely wrong and the back legs, and the ear shape could be a bit better but it's mostly the angle that is wrong. And if you're drawing directly from a side angle the lines for the neck going into the chest are completely vertical and there is no bit of the head sticking out of the neck, same goes for the chest.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=pony&rlz=1C1NHXL_enAU697AU697&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGh7v15ZfRAhXIoJQKHa_lCk0Q_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=mlp+pony+from+side&imgrc=WlqlLjfgzr0HKM%3A

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>>29146485
Mirin those gains, bro. pic related's mine. Think I've made color gains this year. Can always help you out if you want. We should into hangouts more. I've been napping for longer hours at night any it's just made me feel more slow and groggy in the early morning.

Another thing I wanted to mention is that I've gotten pretty good at 3-D and have been using it for block-ins more this year. Been putting that off for ages.

>YCH commissions
Your character here or something right? Does that pay well?

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>>29115410
Sup guys, first time here on the draw thread, I've always liked to draw ponies but I've also want to have a personal style, that kind of style that made you immediately recognisable.
In particular I like cute and huggable but still anatomically semicorrect poners like this

https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2016/2/2/1078930__safe_solo_pinkie+pie_cute_artist-colon-inlucidreverie.png

Nothing too "chibi" or cat like, so, what kind of structure you guys suggest? Long or short neck? Ass bigger than chest or viceversa? Long and skinny legs or short legs FIM style? After finding my ideal style I'll draw a fuckton of ponies to improve my sketchs.

>>29146485
Did you used to draw for the 'twilights game night' threads?

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Sometimes I wonder if I'm autistic because I can never seen to draw eyes that or emotive or easily convey facial expressions.

>>29147656
I did. Those were good times.

>>29147469

Yeah man I miss the hangouts. I could use some help some time with color if you're willing. It no big deal. I still feel I need to focus on line and shape or else I feel as if I'm polishing turds.

>>29139831

>>29144910

Nice

>>29147789
The eyes should either be in line with the top of the nose or below it. Also they're placed together too closely, and I think the left eye is too big horizontally. Going based off the angle the face is facing it should be a bit more narrow since the right eye looks like it's in the right place. For expressions you need to know what type of expression you want them to be using first, are they happy, sad, angry, etc. Once you know what expression they'll be making then you can see if there's already some references with a pony doing it. Expression mostly come from the brow at the top of the eyes, eyelids, and sometimes the "cheekbone" ridge just beneath the eyes (like if they're smiling really hard or something they'll be a curve covering the bottom part of the eye)

Also idk if it's your style or something, but the eyes usually have the colour on the outside of the black pupils instead of just one coloured oval inside the whites of the eye

Boop

>>29148029
More of a cop-out than a style, i tried more traditional eyes and got frustrated.

Thanks for your advice, i did use an expression sheet as a reference but it didn't show through in the end. Regarding the eye width and placement, would they be placed correctly if i had properly narrowed the far eye, or is the close eye also too close to the nose bridge?

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Sort of like this if you know what I'm trying to get across. Obviously this is just and example and just make changes according to the style you like

Notice the old lines compared to the new ones I put in which moved the "snout" area further up and I made the eye on the left thinner giving you a comparison for both eyes. I think the problem was you made both eyes relatively the same size even though the drawing is at an angle, which makes the eye too big which means the spacing between the eyes is less. Imo deciding the placement of the pupils is one of the hardest things to do because you've got all these weird sort of angles going on and it will look off unless you do it perfectly. They're usually the last thing I would put in, I would draw the entire thing with the blank eyes then put in the pupils when you decide what the pony wants to look at (remember if you make the eye thinner you have to make the pupil thinner as well).

Also were you going for a particular type of expression? I can probably show you how to do that as well if you're having trouble

>>29149271
Forgot the >>29148925

>>29147931
Fair enough. I'd internalize painting with values first or color is just going to be a terrible time.

Can someone post some male pone head direction sketches please?

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>>29144259
Better than I did last year. But I've still got a ways to go.

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boop

>>29150238
I really like Rarara from May and Ember drawing.

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Once my hand recovers I'm going to dedicate myself to gitting gud and see how far I can go. I've been drawing already for maybe 3 years now and started to actually improve before I broke my arm and lost strength to it after getting the cast removed

>>29151883
Thanks

>>29150238
when did you start drawing?

>>29153627
Not really until this year regularly.

>>29149271
The expression I was going for was perplexed/in thought, but I couldn't find many I liked so I used a 'wtf' references from a sheet, which was high cheek on one side, low eyelid on the other.

I'm just never happy with pupils, they're always too big or too small or not centred properly enough or imperfectly shaped and if i do them mechanically with a lasso they just look 'off' against the rest of the work. I really need to put in time on eyes.

I notice that you removed the little bit of cheek visible under the far eye, was that just to simplify the eye example or do you have an opinion on that? I usually skip the cheek but I assumed it was something I shouldn't have been skipping.

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>>29153949

https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/event/horsefuckers

I'll be in the thread's hangout for a bit drawing stuff. If anyone wants a paintover or something hop on in.

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>>29153949
I just left the cheek out so if you go to change it you can do it how you want

I think the expression you might be looking for is 'pondering'. I tried to do a little example here, not the best thing in the world but you get the idea. There's usually 2 ways of doing the sort of 'thinking' expression. The first way is to have them looking at what they're thinking about, and the second is to have them looking away like they're thinking about something in their mind (sort of like looking up at their head as if there's an imaginary bubble or something).

Don't be afraid to lower the brows to extreme amounts and angles, you'll be surprised what expressions you can come up with. Also make sure that if you need to, raise the lower eye ridge (which I did in this case)

>>29121729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ77Mut-NxM

>>29135419
Do still lifes
>>29143995
You are doing a great job, to improve speed you just have to draw more
Quantity>quality
Repetitive exercises mainly
Also this is a pony related drawfagship thread
>>29145355
Pretty good, did you use construction?
Can you draw the same face again in 3 minutes or less?
Dont focus on colors now, focus on drawing ponies, also when you jump at digital to work with colors will be much easier

>>29147628
I dont suggest you to jump on a style so soon, it can give you bad habits
With practice, you will find your style by your own way and will seek reference from other artists that draw like you want

>>29152001
Some artists never recover from problems with arms, hope you make it

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Guys. I made this in MS paint. I has no $ so I'm using a mouse and keyboard.

Question: I don't like the eyes. How can I make them better?

Also how the hell do you draw rear hooves?

Uh I also wanna do more facial expressions but I don't really know how.

Considering upgrading to GIMP but I don't wanna watch 2 hours of tutorials tonight.

>>29156653
The head doesn't have enough height, the eyes aren't big enough and not the right shape, and look at references for the rear leg. Make expressions by changing the smile shape and the brow shape/angle, and the lower eye ridge. If you can't find out how to do a certain expression look up a reference for that as well. Also the ear/wings are too small and the left front leg is too far forward (the one on the right). Don't forget the eye lashes.

Just download a cracked version of Photoshop and use that (just use the brush tool), and just keep practicing and using references to get proportions right
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NlXY6wgeZc0/maxresdefault.jpg

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I haven't been doing much horse art lately and i wanted to get back into it, just a bunch of horse faces and practices.

>>29157365
Oh shit its flipped

>>29150891
This is absolutely lovely and well animated! Kudos!
I've made a frame to frame pone animation aswell lately and it's really not that easy. Do you have more of these?

>>29150891
what program do you use for this animation?

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>>29157365
Should be fixed now

>>29157433
your art style is very tumblr

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>>29158099
mainly because its heavily inspired by one particular artist on tumblr -http://sterfler.tumblr.com/tagged/stereo's_stuff
Here's an example of her stuff

>>29158168
hey, you seem to be making it work t b h, i'd like to see something colored

>>29158239
Im really bad with grasping colors and its something im still working on.

>>29158255
Just flat color and use the show palette as reference if you're not sure. Even flat colors can make an image look a lot more visually appealing.

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>>29158675
I have so many wips/ideas that I tried to color, most of them just sit in a folder when i realize I'll never get it to where I want, never to be touched again, but I'll try take more of your advice anon and work on it.

>>29158168

I hate to say it but your reference is shit. Either find another artist to admire or stick to learning how FIM ponies work. He/she's art is very, very stylized and will only get you into some bad habits. Trust me because I've been down that path and I look back on the stuff I used to admire and realize now how detrimental it was.

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Iv'e stopped drawing for too long. I can't do bodies for the life of me.

>>29158782
Do you have any recommendations on other artist i could check out? Her(the artist is a she) art is pretty stylized, yeah but I'll always enjoy her color and composition in her works. Its something I indulge in a bit too much desu.

>>29159532
>>29159669
/ic/?

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Been drawing for like 8 months now...

>>29158926

Not really because style is very subjective. You gravitate towards that artist because you see a part of yourself in what they do. The challenge is figuring out what that is. You've already mentioned her coloring and composition so there's a start. Just be wary that if youre going to begin to replicate another artist that you may start picking up on their bad habits without realizing it. It becomes easier to recognize flaws in something as you acquire more mileage but right now you're in the very early stages of learning so your minds eye isn't as sensitive as someone who is more seasoned than you are. Your perceptions need to be strengthen and that only comes with drawing more yourself, making and correcting mistakes and learning from other's mistakes.

It's a lot to take in and my only clear advice is to draw a lot, be consistent with your practice, and to receive critique while applying said critique.

>>29158168
everything looks great until you get to that jaw. what was the artist thinking.

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I made this for people who might want to practice drawing but aren't sure what to draw

>>29160552
Rolling for /b/!

>>29160588
Fuck me how do I make a Pony based on Papercraft/Origami?

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>>29160602
>anon i'm papercraft

>>29160552
roll?

>>29160552
ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN

>>29142827
Ponies' Bonies

>>29160889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdmfVyPrqcc

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>>29144910
>Gains this year

Going from zero artistic ability to making a semi-decent pony is rewarding enough on its own I guess.

I just want to get better.

Grappling with cheeks and making not-show style heads right now. Oh and finally diving into human anatomy. The art ride never ends, I need more hours in the day.

>>29160552

I probably wont deliver

>>29161048
>The snout looks a little bit too blocky
>The snout may be a bit too far down (depending on your style, but most of the time the eyes go below the snout)
>Maybe fix the left eye (your right) a little bit, mainly the line going along the 'nose bridge', you could try make it more vertical like the other one
>The right arm doesn't have 3 joints in that fashion, it has the "hoof" joint down the bottom but if that entire section is meant to be a hoof then that's the biggest one I've ever seen
>Also the next section on that arm is way too thin compared to the start of the arm
>The left leg sort of looks like it's drawn from a flat side angle, even though the rest of the body is drawn at an angle
>It could just be that that hoof shape at the bottom of the leg isn't drawn properly of the part where the ass goes in the narrow bit is way too much, or even both

Check the picture of >>29160552
and look at the arm joints on that so you can see what I mean. Also look at the eye position, you don't have to put them that extremely low but most of the time having them below the nose to some degree will make it look a lot more appealing

Apart from all of that everything seems to be fine, just some moderate issues that I rambled on about way too much

>>29160552
rolling

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>>29158168
>>29158732
>>29158926
>>29158099
>>29158782
Anon is right. Don't try to copy what other artists do, copy how they got there. This guys stuff almost reminds me of some Asian artists like Krenz or Rakugakineko. Krenz even has some of his studies uploaded. https://www.artstation.com/artist/krenz
Pay attention to how we'll he's mastered letting his forms read perfectly through subtle lighter value shifts. I'm not going to go too deep into what Asian artists like to do, but I'll give you 3 hints. translucency, length, and light.
>This is because Asians view lighter skinned people as more beautiful and exaggerate the translucency of white skin.
>They also tend to view lithe and tall as more aesthetic than built like, say western superheros or Conan. Very prevalent in animu.
>Lastly, the more white or black in a painting the less saturation you can play with. Most Asian artist including myself like to keep that door open for more freedom.

pic related is a quick paintover to show what I mean. Forms need to be more solid. The value of the red is very close to the green in the background and makes it almost bleed together. And the overall value of Luna was way too dark and a bit of a strain to see.

>>29160552
roll

>>29161170
>apart from that everything seems fine

No it's really not but thanks for the critique all the same. Just more stuff to work on.

I thought it was decent but nope, into the trash it goes. Thanks anon for the honest feedback.

>>29161281
roll

>>29161313
I'm not gonna lie, it's not perfect but it's not as bad as you think. Don't mistake the constructive criticism for "it looks like bad lmao" because you got your proportions done well in that picture. The angle was correct, the hair and tail was correct, the ears looked great, the shape of everything except the things I pointed out was fine. I was just pointing out some imperfections that you could work on to improve your drawing and make it look even better that's all, helping a nigga out <3

Just make sure you don't can anything because this stuff is useful to look back on if you know what's wrong with it, because it serves as a reminder of what you did wrong in the picture so you make sure to fix it next time, if that makes sense

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>>29161048
This is really good, just the legs need a bit of work. The angle of the back leg is off and would look more like this.

>>29161418
Figure of speech anon, I don't actually trash it. It's just another stone in the monument of failure. I keep everything out of habit anyway.

I mean it though seriously, thank you.

>>29161516
Np man, everyone has their ways of progressing forward. I like to help people a lot because if I manage to point out imperfections in other people's drawings so I begin to see them in mine, and that's sort of like a way of improving myself

>>29161478
This is sort of what I was thinking, maybe you could show him the fixed version of the front arm as well (I'm too busy atm

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>>29161556
desu i'm not that great with arm folding myself, so I wouldn't be much help

but here's a reference nonetheless

>>29161574
I think he mistook the tiny little 'shoulder joint' as a full length limb, or just made it too long by accident, should just be fixed if he brings the other parts of the arm closer to the body

>>29158812

Those are cute. But please, for the love of god, draw the other ear and get into the habit of drawing the other ear. I don't care if you know how to do it. Do it every time. If you're unsure of it's placement then study it. Ponies have two ears, even if they're covered by the mane.

The far cheek is a little odd and inconsistent with all three sketches. The bottom left pony's face isn't symmetrical. The right eye is slightly uncentered. Same goes for the bottom right pone. Remember that your eye placement is going to dictate how wide your muzzle is and viceversa. Much like humans, all the facial features interconnect and work with each other. If one feature is off it's going to throw everything else off.

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>>29161048

No offense but this looks like a mishmash of different artists and how they draw features. It's very chimera-esque that sense.

Just remember that proportions of the pony can be a very, very sensitive thing and it's something have has to be experimented with. Facial features, placement of facial features, length, height, size, shape of said facial features; same goes for the body and all of it's components. Its a delicate thing and it's up to the artist to find something that works for them. Lucky for you we already have the standard pony body to work with. They're designed to sell a product so the hard work of finding something appeal is already done for you. The other challenge is to match that energy and appeal with your own works.

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>>29162365
They never show the other ear though

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>>29162535

I don't care. It looks retarded. Draw both ears.

>>29162365
Good advice, these things ALWAYS throw me in a loop. I end up getting the head and body down, then spend an hour working the legs, muzzle and eyes into the right place.

what's a good way to practice coloring? as a general thing, other than just "draw a picture and color it"

>>29162810
hue slider on different layers

>>29144259
>How're you guys feeling about your gains this year?
Not very good actually, I spent most of it getting used to digital

http://i.imgur.com/AV9NyHC.jpg I'm too lazy to make it small enough to upload here.

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Wow I am really struggling with colour theory stuff. I can't decide on what colours to use for my horse. I know what I want for the coat, but hair and eyes? I've spent the last 2 hours trying to pick them but I'm not satisfied with anything. what's the trick?

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>>29163260
Here you go, use this.

>>29163551
I hope your waifu dies getting raped by big zebra dick, faggot.

is the drawfag improvement thread normally this toxic?>>29163649

>>29163661
No, but
>believing the color wheel meme.
I didn't know this thread was third grade art class.

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I've been drawing pone on and off for the past year or so, usually just small, shitty sketches. This is my first time using a digital application in a while. Does anyone have any advice for me, be it about anatomy or just the process of creating digital art? I know that this is a very messy sketch but it was all I could put out this late at night.

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>>29163973
Here's the second sketch I threw together.

>>29163973
>>29163978
You put your eyes way too far apart. As for the rest I can't really tell because of the vast amount of chicken scratch, but the general shape is basically there, when you have more free time try to make a more clean and defined version then we'll be able to see if anything else is wrong

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>>29163973
>>29163978

>>29163978
need to stop chicken scratching your lines anon

>>29163973
>>29163978
If you struggle with sketchy lines, I suggest you try to stop drawing with your wrist and start moving your whole arm from the shoulder down.

>>29161280
>>29154086
I'll be in here if anyone else wants a redline or some shit.

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First time drawing pony Sunset and Sonata. Thoughts?

>>29166283
you need to rely a little less on trying to copy guidelines exactly and more on intuition bc that placement is fucked right up

>>29166283
Sunset's eyes are too far apart my dude. Lines are nice though

>>29166283
See >>29166458

>>29166458
not him but what's the point of guidelines if you shouldn't follow them. i'm a very analytical person so I suffer from the same problem

>>29162427
Thanks anon, I think.

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>>29166488
Yeah I kinda knew that going in. I'll putt them closer together next time. I want to redraw this again anyway with pony Adagio on the right shooting a dirty look right back at Sunny.

>>29166513
ideally a good artist will keep them in mind, but they will generally eyeball it in my experience, otherwise it comes out looking forced or stiff.

Learn the basics of construction first before you worry about proper proportions, a sketch should be quick and loose rather than calculated and meticulous. It's meant to be a general idea of what you're going for, and it can be tweaked later.

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>>29166283
I did this one before with Twi and Dash.

inb4: I know Twily's eyes are too far apart.

>>29166605

This anon knows. Coming from someone who is also analytical, sometimes you just have to let go and develop the iterative part of your subconscious. This comes from making many, many iterations and experimenting. Even if they're bad drawings you do them anyway THEN analyse what went wrong. And dont analyze right away, put the drawings away for a few hours or even a whole day. Let some time pass and you'll usually notice the flaws in your drawings with fresh eyes and a clearer mind.

Being over analytical can be a constant struggle but people like us seem to have to work at it harder than someone who can do these things more naturally.

>>29166634

Think of the eyes as ellipses on a sphere than begin to distort and foreshorten as they turn. Your eye that's further is going to be more elliptical than the closest eye because it's an object that is passing the spheres horizon line. Making your eyes the same size breaks the illusion of depth and three dimensionality.

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>>29160859
Delivered?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRh-dzrI4Z4

bump?

>>29165676

Sorry I haven't been in the hangouts, fampai. Holidays have been brutal for me.

>>29168963
It's cool senpai. We're in here right now.

>>29168457
Nice. I like it

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>>29168457
>>29169716
Fixed the hat a bit because it was pissing me off

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Didn't think I could do it.

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Happy New Years, guys.

>>29170406
What type of animal is that?

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>>29170686
possibly an andrewsarchus

>>29160552
Rollin'!

>>29160552
holy shit, nice

>>29160552
Roll. I wil try....maybe

>>29160552
roll

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drawing little dragonpony things to see if i can stretch pony anatomy and still have it be believable

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>>29171085

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>>29160552
>>29170830

Why would a pony boxing glove have spots for thumbs anyway?

I'm new to all of this. This was a neat way to practice!

>>29160552
roll

>>29160552
rloo

>>29131337
Try using the mouth, mechanical devices, and unicorns. Be a bit more inventive.

>>29159731
I remember when you first asked for help with a Raggje drawing, Booker. They grow up so fast.

How good should you be before you start uploading your art to various websites? How good should you be before you start taking commissions?

>>29171480
>How good should you be before you start uploading your art to various websites?
When you feel comfortable posting your artwork there. You can start postjng yiur work at any skill level. Alternatively, you can wait until you have gathered a small following, like some drawfags here.
>How good should you be before you start taking commissions?
Once you have grasped a basis on multiple fundamentals. Anatomy, style, perspective, depth, and design. It's better that way. Although, the market is open to almost anybody with a decent art style.

>>29171480
Just make something to post some work you can keep track of, kind of like an online sketchbook you're never going to lose. When you look back at it after a month or two you'll be glad you had it because it's easy to lose sight of how much you've improved and it can help spur you forward. As for commissions, when people start asking you if you do them was when I started. Though, if you're not comfortable then don't feel obligated to do so.

>>29171847
Forgot to mention, when you do get comfortable enough to do commissions, make as many blogs as you can keep track of. A lot of these websites don't cost anything and you never know who might stumble into them, so what have you got to loose?

So I figured out how to do show-accurate vector art

now what? Vector art is time-consuming and everyone seems to love tasblet doodles way more.

>>29172216
if you're willing to vector people's OCs you could probably make money off of it, as there's not a lot of people who do show-style vectors for commission

>>29171480

It really depends on what you want out of it. You can either begin posting now and show steady art progress or you can get gud first THEN start posting.

They both have their pros and cons.

>>29172296
What cons? I mean, assuming you're not sending it as a portfolio later on there's not really any con. Nobody cares about how shit you were once you improve.

I want to learn to draw, but I draw like a fucking kindergartener. How would I even go about starting?

>>29172373
Lack of feedback can be a con.

>>29172397

Your drawings are going to look terrible for a long time before they look better. It just comes with the territory. If you can muscle through that phase then you can do anything.

>>29172397

the harder you repeat excersises the sooner you will get out of that phase
go to drawabox and do the firsts lessson, today is a global holiday so spend all this day drawing, fucking all, I mean the whole 24 hours

>>29174014

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>>29172700
When I say I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing, I'm not exaggerating.

>>29175250
Anon i know it seems impossible but he's right you will just have to force yourself through the though learning time

heres some early improvement of Ralek
http://orig15.deviantart.net/3bc5/f/2014/034/0/d/never_give_up__by_dileak-d74yi61.jpg

>>29175389
>http://orig15.deviantart.net/3bc5/f/2014/034/0/d/never_give_up__by_dileak-d74yi61.jpg
Even those early examples are miles ahead of me. :(

>>29175396
just use a reference for as long as you feel you need it

>>29175406
What do you mean?

>>29175423
you find a picture you like and try to recreate it using the picture as reference and guide

how do i get brave enough to practice backgrounds

>>29175250
hot

>>29175389

That's some nice improvement.

>>29172430
Posting your progress on an online blog is going to give you lack of feedback?

>>29173313
Been seeing drawabox thrown around in these threads particularly and finally checked it out for myself. It's literally a leddit xDDDD user taking Scott Robertson's shit and asking for patreon money for feedback on your god damn boxes. Even though it's just 3 dollars I don't think I've ever REEEEEEEEEEd at anything so hard.

Here's 5 pdfs that have helped me the most, including Scotts book, which has better drawn examples and is an actual good teacher. He even has some video tutorials up on the topic that you can draw along.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wazto0we8n58s82/AACVFwNQ50_k2oVjOIllBtHWa?dl=0

>>29175250

I don't know what the fuck to tell you then. You're talking to a person that went from literally 0 skill to something decent, and I'm not done.

I'm telling you it will get better if you keep going. Do what you want with that advice. I don't coddle babies.

>>29175606
Landscaoes are boring to do why do you bother doing them?

>>29176262
so i can draw a figure existing in something other than a blank white plane

>>29173313
>drawabox

huh, this is interesting. thanks, anon!

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>>29175389
>firsts drawings
>he probably uses the 3 circles method because proportions look kinda right
>scroll down
>elephant hooves
>ok when does he get good
>scroll down
>vynil with over saturated shadows
>ok when does he get good

>>29176221

Thanks for the books, mate. He's charging money now though? That's fucked up and I wasn't aware of that. He used to do it for free.

>>29171480
>How good should you be before you start taking commissions?

You're good enough when people tell you you're good enough. Honestly if you're in this to make money then you need to reconsider the type of relationship you want to have with illustration.

>>29176322

Not the guy posting his work but he did improve. I think that's the point of the post, not really an example of someone who's "gud."

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>>29175389
>that progression

holy fuck. there has to be some early drawings missing from here. I've got at least 4 times as much garbage and I'm no where near the quarter mark of that collage

>>29176329
>>29176329
Yeah, I understand paying a mentor to help you push your skill further once you get to a moderate level but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when people do it to beginners who just want to get started. Especially using someone else's methods that have been proven to work.

>>29176373

Well there's a lot of important information missing here:

>how long has he been drawing
>how old is he
>how long as he been drawing ponies
>how much time passed between those first drawings and the drawings at the bottom
>did he have experience before he began drawing pony
>how often does he draw
>how many hours per day
>does he draw everyday

It's difficult to deduce all of that shit without asking the person directly.

>I've got at least 4 times as much garbage and I'm no where near the quarter mark of that collage

It's obvious he's cherry-picking. Those can't be all of his drawings. To assume so is ridiculous. I have countless sheets of paper that have countless doodles on them along with countless digital sketches and drawings on my computer.

>>29115645
i hate to be the one to tell you but not really.however try drawing characters instead of jst the single body part. that should help it feel less repetitive at least

>>29175389
he remionds me of debbie

>debbie just hit the wall
>she never had it all
if you dont get the referance do yourself a favor and dont google it

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>>29175606
gonna be 100 with you.

draw kinda squigaly line behind pone/person keep adding lines and other things untill you feel done. also use the pic.

using a ruler definetly helps too.

>start
>draw line horizontal across page
>dot in center this is focus point
>draw box on page
>verticle lines are verticle
>lines for "top" and "bottom" of box should connect to fp

do this alot. horizontal lines always meet the fp.

congrats you just took your first step

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>>29176616
fololow up image

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>>29176626
>>29176616
follow follow up image

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>>29176616
>>29176634
>>29176626
and if your feeling confident the same thing applkies to two point and three point

i dont have an image example for three point but google worms eye and birds eye view sketeches

also if you feel stuck look at real life pictures and try to find the horizon line and if its birds eye or worms eye ect

alright ive given some assistance now i beg please how do i mopivate to draw im dry i havent had any ideas or anything for months the lasrt time i drew was like july

>>29176224
I'm not asking for encouragement; I literally have no idea what the fuck I'm supposed to do.

>>29176666

Sorry Satan, but if you need to be motivated to draw then you're fucked.

>>29176673
i got quads on the wrong board whyyyyy.

but really no advice? i uess ill just move back to writing then :(

>>29176685

My advice is to draw even when you're not motivated. If I drew only when I was inspired I would have gone no-where.

anyone got a faily easy request? something cute etc

>>29176711

>>29134608

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>>29160552
>>29160889
Done!

/pol/ ain't just a stormfront board.
I tried to think of a name for her but wasn't satisfied with anything, so please suggest something.

Also, feedback please

>>29176732
Her neck is as wide as her waist is.

>>29176221
I don't get it? Don't see anything wrong with the guy? Looks like decent advice he's giving.

>>29176712
Trash draw thread has much more quality

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>>29176826
The advice is good, but it's secondhand regurgitated information on something that's available as a condensed pdf.

>>29176696
ok so trudge through the mountains of not wanting to do shit and maybe itll be worth it when im done? eh i gyess ill try it.

How the fuck do I get the motivation to draw every day?

>>29177511
The same way you motivate yourself to do anything in life. It's fun.

>>29177344

Fucking this

>>29177463

That's life.

>>29176756
What does this mean? It looks normal to me

>>29177511
You don't rely on motivation. Motivation comes and goes. Rely on discipline instead.

>>29179473
That's deep anon. Where did you get so wise?

>>29176616
thanks man, that's good advice. also saved those pics, thanks for sharing

>>29179726
life and fortune cookies

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Enjoy my first ever piece of shit drawn with a tablet. Probably should get a new tablet. It's like 10+ years old and I lost the software for it. I prefer traditional art desu.

>>29181905
nose is way too big

>>29181916
And it's underneath the bottom of the eyes, rather than in line with it or above it. and the shape is too blocky

>>29181950
I think it looks cute
also the hair clips through the horn

>>29182005
It was a quick thing I did to see if I even was able to use the shitty tablet still.

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>>29181905

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>>2918190
I really prefer a pencil.

>>29182175

That's normal. Personally I still prefer traditional because I'm faster and more accurate but digital has too many pros to just ignore. Also in >>29181905 you're presenting something that has no line weight and looks very flat because there's no variation in your lines. It's very boring. That's part of the reason you dislike it even though you may not realize it.

>>29182199
Actually that is why I dont like it. Also that is why I need a new tablet. It doesnt sense pressure like modern ones do. I got this shit in like 2007.

Also can you fags recommend good tablets with displays? I never liked that mine lacked that. I'm liking the Wacom Cintiq 13hd.

what is the best program to draw with? and what brush setting to use etc

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Can someone advise me as to how to hair/mane/whatever

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>>29175449
Well, I guess that turned out a little better.

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>>29183221

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>>29183620

Alternatively.

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>>29183221
>>29183620
>>29183821

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>>29182741
For painting photoshop is GOAT. Regular hard round brush alone is pretty damn great though I use mixer and smudge for texture these days so that my brush set isn't too cluttered.

>>29183620
ded

>>29183620
Kek

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i don't really draw show accurate. I just... wing it in my own way...
critiques welcome

>>29185410
The main thing that would improve your art is drawing more. Your art is good, make more of it.

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>>29185410
Borderline anthro

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>>29185463
>>29185529

>>29185634
cute af. there are some things I would change, but I draw way differently so you should keep drawing and find whatever suits. I like the sketchy style and the colours with the brush that you've used work well.

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>>29185670
thanks, my style is really inconsistent but i guess i enjoy stuff anyway

bamp

>>29185634
hind legs way too long
>wings
her hair is coming from the top of her head instead of the back of her neck
colors too saturated
>>29185742
hind legs waaay too long
booty waaay too long
tail seems to be coming from the middle of her back
same problem with the hair

honestly just study some more anatomy and you're golden

>>29186319
>honestly just study some more anatomy and you're golden
i did and i suck at actually implementing it, thanks for tips though

>>29186368
Not the Anon you are replying to but
You're thinking all wrong, anatomy is not something you learn by studying once. You gotta keep drawing and keep thinking about it and slowly it will improve. there will never be a day you wake up and can suddenly implement anatomy, it will take time, but your drawings have alotta potential, dont give up

>>29186409
i know anon, i am extremely slow learner though.
Took me years to evolve to this from stick figures

>>29183620
>>29183821
>>29183869
>>29184658
>>29184907
I know it looks like shit. How do I make it not look like shit? What am I doing wrong?

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>>29187500
well anon, just about everything.
you need to go on long path of blood and tears, neverending one.
Also do you want to draw show accurate or just do whatever you want?
Like, my pics aren't total shit but i always, ALWAYS make hind legs too long and everybody who ever existed points out that to me.
And i still make them too long...
I should draw fucking amputee ponies... that would save me the fucking trouble
REEEEEEEE
pic related by me, and i bet the hind legs are too long and i don't even see that

>>29187575
Show style would be nice, but for the moment I just want it too look less like a toddler drew it. Should I just draw the same image over and over until it looks good?

>>29187679
take a pic you like and try to redraw it by looking at it as basic training. Read up on techiques and anatomy.

>>29187807

>take a pic you like and try to redraw it by looking at it as basic training.
That's what I did for >>29183221. I was asking if I should do that same picture again.

>Read up on techiques and anatomy.
Read up where?

>>29187834
most of shit is in the OP bro

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Can I get some critique on the shading and face? or whatever else might look off?

>>29188045
the hind leg, the filly's left hind leg. looks a bit... disjointed when you look at the thumbnail

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>>29188045
Would be good with a few changes.

-- Lower eye hue is almost the same shade as the adjacent fur, creating an unseemly transition between them as they blend together.

-- She looks cross-eyed and the slopes of the irises are too skew.

-- Main One: The snout is too big and the smile seems off relative to it, maybe the lips too forward extended? Have this semi-sideways profile of a pony smiling, look at the smile/snouth positions and proportions.

And what >>29188087 said I was also going to say.

I'm no artist but these are the things that, if fixed, would make it good in my opinion.

>>29187500

I'm sure they're laughing at the caption along with the drawing and not the drawing itself. you're taking it way too personally.

At any rate you need to use circles to contain your anatomy. See >>29115410.

>>29188472
I laughed at the captions too. Sorry if I sounded like I was taking it personally; it was more just that I was irritated because I'm new and trying to improve, and the captions didn't help that. I'll give the circles thing a try.

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>>29183620

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>>29188045

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>>29188662

>>29188662
Kek.

>>29188680
Hidden.

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>>29188662

bamp

>>29188123
Thanks I'll give it a few tweaks. I tend to struggle with the eyes and just draw ovals and hope for the best

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>>29187575
>>29188472
I used the third and ninth images in the Imgur gallery in the OP as reference. I think she's a little too thicc, since I suck at drawing circles and at making them the right sizes. I also can't seem to get the mane quite right, but that'll probably take a while.

>>29190350
And by "mane", I mean "tail".

>>29190350
It's an improvement. Her arms are too short and should be as long as the legs. Also consider drawing a less complicated pony like lyra or unicorn twilight

>>29190583
The hind legs actually seemed too long to me.

bemp

>>29183117
There are numerous factors to good hair.

- The keyword to good hair is "flow". To illustrate what I mean, look at the way ribbons move in ribbon dancing or rythmic gymnasitcs.
- Hair has weight, and curves towards the ground when not in motion.
- Keep the structure of hair in mind. It grows in long individual strands, which then clump together to form locks.
- Don't forget volume!

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>>29190350
well it's already an improvement anon.
make forelegs a bit longer, eyes bigger.
Like pony eyes are fucking huge.
Also what other anon said, try easier pony for starters like AJ or Lyra. Their manes are really simple.
Work on your lines, don't make them wobbly like penis and don't chicken scratch. Try to make them in one motion.
It's harder to do it on paper though.
You could try to draw on tablet, drawing on pc is faster and erasing mistakes is painless and super fast.
Well not like i am any good artist myself, i am average at most

>>29190350

Good. At least you get why you use circles to contain your anatomy. The rest is mileage, consistency, and practice.

>>29192151
Without sketching them out first, my circles look like potatoes. Also, I don't have a tablet, and I probably couldn't afford one.

>>29188045
The nose knows

>>29192454
>Without sketching them out first, my circles look like potatoes

Then practice circles. Circles and ellipses are going to be your bread-and-butter. Learning to do them quickly and effectively will only benefit you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbt7zTSei6U

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>>29192601
This Anon speaks the truth.
All of my university books look like this
this page was bad but its one of the only ones without my handwriting in it
The side effect of practising circles this size is that all the eyes I draw are exactly this size, you should practice with lots of different sized circles.

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>>29192999

Personally I do this periodically where I fill a sheet with circles and mess with the line weight or whatever. Both with clockwise motions and counterclockwise motions.

>>29115410
I wish I could draw.

>>29193744

Your present Anon might not be able, but your future Anon can, if you put in the effort.

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>>29193751

Well said, friend.

>>29193744
Stop wishing and start doing.

>>29193744
>I wish I could draw.
This is step one to being a drawfag Anon, you are almost there.

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>>29192151
A lot of the wobbliness of the lines is just due to the texture of the paper and desk and the size of the drawing.

>>29183620
>>29188662
my sides

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>>29192151
I tried drawing Twilight Sparkle with smoother lines. The lines in the tail are kind of wibbly, but that's from the grain in my desk.

>>29194709
draw bigger than a fucking quarter