It keep happening

>>29087527
That's sad. Is it just Youtube or Hasbro has a part to play as well? I mean the hype of the show is slowly dying, you wouldn't think this would be helping.

>>29087543
They're talking about the youtube algo change.

Has Youtube ever made a good decision? I used to love getting lost in youtube for hours but now the only thing they recommend me is stuff I've already watched and clickbaity shit. I want to say "YouTube is dead" but we all know that's not going to happen.

>>29087527
Youtube is going to fuck itself to death the same way Twitter did and eventually it won't be a problem anymore.

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>>29087527
I already know where I'm going the moment this shit drops.

>>29087527
That's what he gets for sucking Pencil's cock

>>29087527
youtube sucks for animators of any kind. And overall. Just move to that vid.me site or whatevr its called

>>29087543
It's YouTube. Channels are being weighted on the daily minutes watched instead of number of viewers, etc, edging out high-effort projects in favor of lengthy content you can crank out constantly.

>>29087527
>Mediocre MLP video creator
And nothing of value was lost.

>>29087622
> Mediocre

Leave this board forever

>>29087622
You mean one of the few mlp video creators.

>>29087622
Watch it Anon they might spam you with (You)

>>29087633
No. He is overrated.
>>29087634
He's shit regardless. Just like everyone like him.

>>29087622

Name any MLP video creator that isn't mediocre and isn't Jan

>>29087527
As much as I hate talking about hi, MattPatt made a good video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyHaMVRgBV0
TLDR: Youtube changed their system from views to minute watched, so people with a strong fanbase that churn one good video per week will earn far less than LPer that churn 30 minutes long video every day to a tenth of its fanbase who watch half of it.

Its trying to turn youtube into a mass producing media, and of course, animators won't be able to survive unless they stick to >Patreon.

I feel sad for Greg, he's one of the early guard, one of the most loyal, and talented, guy in the fandom, he deserved to be horse famous far more than many others, at least his RDBP will stay legend.

>>29087642

No, im not a dirty fan of the fandom.

>>29087646
(You)

>>29087642
I can't :^)

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>>29087641
He may be overrated, but his content still makes me smile. He is like the Johnny Cash of mlp animations. Petriep isn't good at them, but the end result is something unique and enjoyable.

>>29087690
Perhaps.

>>29087603
And what the hell does Youtube get out of this?

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>>29087646
Fucking rekt
How can >>29087654 even recover?

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>>29087543
>>29087569
>>29087577
>>29087622
>>29087645
If you watched it, you'd know that the tl;dr is "Youtube is trying to kill us, but we were prepared". It may be an inconvenience, but luckily he does not "bit the dust".

>>29087622
Why don't you kys you're self for having such shit opinions?

Anyone who doesn't like MAS is dead inside.

>>29087527
Hasbro preparing for the Official 2017 movie release, i see. They going Disney route.

Forsooth and verily, YouTube doth suck like a mighty vacuum cleaner.

>>29087807

Isn't about the C&D, that shit is for the fanmade game, it just a new sistem that fuck in the ass the animator of any fandom and only benefit the autistic youtuber like pewpie or let's play cancer

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>>29087527
If all of the content creators, not just ones in our fandom, are so mad about Youtube, why don't they move to another website or make their own?

>>29087832
Because then that website will just end up getting killed too.

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I've been saying recently that we should create some real competition for Youtube since they have some kind of obnoxious agenda to fulfill now. Kick them down a notch.
Vidme or Dailymotion or something.

The stories are true, clickbait is starting to show up in the recommended section. It's like they want to die.

>>29087832
Because hosting video costs a lot of money.
The kind of bandwidth you need for this is fuck you expensive

>>29087832
Because not everyone has blackjacks and hookers money.

>>29087560
>twitter
>dead
breaking up with a website doesnt mean that site experiances hardship or death after you leave. google is making a sweet mint off of being reprehensible and evil shit stains.

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Google have been making some really fucking poor decisions in regards to YouTube the past few years.

However, I think I have the solution to the problem; Animators should all mass-migrate back to Newgrounds where their content is catered to. Despite being old as shit, Newgrounds actually offers a 10/10 service for this sorta' stuff, but they're broke as fuck thanks to YouTube jewing away their traffic. Tom Fulp actually gives a fuck about his community and tries to make changes to keep everyone in the community happy no matter how big/small they are. I think that they even have some sort of partners program in place so people can earn a bit of coin. Nowhere near as much as you would from YouTube, but still.

Just a thought, but it really spooks me the direction Google are heading in with YouTube. It's starting to get beyond a fucking joke.

It's a shame that Vidme and Newgrounds aren't big enough to kick them back into submission. Really saddens me knowing that the glorious days of Internet animation are kill.

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>>29087832
But that's exactly what Greg is already doing.

>>29087700
YouTube gets people staying on their website more consistently and for longer periods of time in order to maximize opportunities for ads being viewed.

>>29087920
>poor decisions
I dont get people like this, youtube is making wonderful decisions for them. you are a fucking idiot if you think google is not out for their own selfish needs just like any other company. notice how sopa passed the next year when the previous google supported against it? instantly when they got what they wanted in that bill they quietly let it pass in its revised form. Google is evil as fuck, and their decisions earn them a fuck ton of money

Vimeo/Dailymotion needs to get their shit together. You know all these creators would jump ship in an instant if they could actually get a reasonable amount of ad money anywhere else.

>>29087700

There's a few videos out there (and more daily) describing how this hurts anyone who doesn't have a full time team making shit to pump out. The end goal is to attract big TV studios to release daily skits/videos to youtube instead of pumping it through the TV as the TV goes the same way radio did years ago. In the end youtube is there to make money. A long time ago it may have been just a little smaller and a little more wild west, but it has been headed this way for almost 10 years now.

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>>29087980
Totally agree with what you're saying, but hear me out.

Issue with the "fuck the consumers, let's line our own pockets" mentality is that eventually people get tired of that shit. Look at the downfall of myspace for example.

Part of why they died out is because they threw around their weight like they were too hot for anyone to touch their shit, and by the time they realised they'd lost 80% of their userbase, it was already too late to fix it, and I'd love to see something similar happen to YouTube. They've been steadily fucking their userbase for the past 3 years and people are actually just now starting to reach the point of thinking "nah, know what, fuck it"

It's totally beyond me as to why dailymotion of vimeo don't buy-out up and coming Youtubers who are in the 100,000 subs range and offer the lump-sums to jump ship. The only way YouTube will ever die out is if someone influential in the YouTube community moves over to a competitor.

>>29088037

I need you to think about the average person who never touched the internet back in 2005. They are now swarming all over everything from places like Facebook, Twitter, vine, and Instagram. Those kind of people are the exact kind of people who have no quality standards. It lead to the flood of click bait articles and videos all over the place and made them become a growing force. That made a lot of bigger companies look for a way to profit off of the mass influx of people coming to the Internet a few years back. That means they will cater to the mass instead of giving props and dues to the content that had been making them important prior to the boom.

>>29088037
Problem is, dailymotion is even worse when it comes to WTFU/copyright bullshit

>>29088037
that wont fucking happen because youtube has a fucking monopoly on nearly every user experiance of the average viewer on the net and they mercilously crush non youtube content in their video search engine now that they own youtube. Pretty much every web search that exists is equally broken as youtube as well, including duck duck go and other touted (Free and unfiltered search engines) are just as crooked and censored as google.

Basically because google owns their whole line up with YT it doesn't matter what level of user vimeo or dailymotion gets. They could sustain those subscribers but it wont be possible for people to actually start their channel in that location. Only the fact that these people have a prebuilt fanbase willing to type in vimeo into their search bar to get to that content will drive them there. All the stumble upon user content that youtube was filled with wont be anywhere near enough to do an add revenue video buisness from vimeo or other minor video channels. It wont work because the average user migrates to youtube, just like the average user turns on their TV and watches certain channels back in the old days of TV.

Now that google is finally getting the huge production companies like these guys to suck their dick they won't give a shit about any two dollar whore that uses their platform and no ammount of alienating their userbase will matter, just look at how garbage channels like the history channel have gotten, and how centralized and unified the media industry has become, a near iron courtain of buy outs and mergers. Yet these companies still dominate the users attention with new production films you watch. It's like expecting wallmart to just go away by pissing off enough people. The only thing that stops the heart of the beast is when enough blood stops flowing and that is not going to happen until the entire public gets fed up with all the content these major companies produce on a day to day basis as a whole.

>>29088037
Youtube's fucking their existing userbase and by userbase I mean viewers, not content creators because they're trying to pick up a more lucrative one: normies. Right now people will turn on the TV to their favorite channel and sort of half-watch whatever bullshit happens to be on while doing other things. Youtube wants those people to mash the "youtube" button on their smart TV instead. Now Youtube needs an endless supply of mindless drivel to show to these people, and that's exactly what they're getting with their new policies.

>>29088118
>dailymotion is even worse
how? i been watching JP MLP and the movies there.
they have a shitty connection, but at least i can see things that most of the time suffers the banhammer.

>>29087527
Good, the spam to Youtube about copyright shit I have been doing is working.

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>>29087894
Google has a business model that's nearly impossible to fuck up combined with a diverse business portfolio. Youtube and Twitter don't have the same advantages. Twitter has been swirling the toilet for a while, losing money and users, and repeatedly failing to even sell the company. It's living on borrowed time.
If Youtube keeps driving away users, this is their future too.

>>29088178
Why did you put google and youtube in separate categories? They are literally the same company.

>>29088141
as an addendum YaCy is the only search engine that exists on the public sphere that I know of that is far less filtered than anything (maybe not even filtered, just neglected and incomplete, given its architecture)

But even if you all spread yacy for me and help me fill out this thing with porn and pone alike, how many others do you think will follow in our wake and use this thing? how many people will give up google to go download a mysterious thing they can barely comprehend (remember search engines are already arcane as fuck) instead of just using what everyone uses, or what small groups of people pretend is better than what everyone uses?

Because the shit I just told you about is great for finding what you want but if you are a content creator your job isn't to find shit but to be found, preferably by a lot of interested people. And because google is a business and makes money by directing people to watch the content, they are not going to do anything but redirect those users away from your content and off to go watch these massive channels.

>>29088141
If youtube keeps fucking around, more and more content creators will move to vid.me/dailymotion/vimeo. If they also start using non-youtube links when promoting their content on reddit and such, then viewers will be introduced to those sites and will see actual quality content in the "related videos" section, encouraging them to stay. Eventually viewers who are actually looking for interesting stuff (basically, what youtube used to be, before clickbait reactor trash took over) will learn that vimeo has it and youtube doesn't.

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>>29087622
I'll bite. Fuck off, nigger. Bad bait/10

>>29088219
Actually I just looked at r/videos and it seems like this may already be happening to some degree. Out of the 25 posts on the front page right now, there are 5 from streamable.com, 2 from vimeo, and 1 from liveleak. Still lots of youtube links, of course, but only about 70% instead of the >90% I was expecting.

>>29087527
Why would that be the case? What about patreon or other investments?

So if YouTube dies where do people go for video content?

Anyone know of any good youtube alternatives? I know Dailymotion and Vimeo exist, but they don't really have any content worth note on them as far as I know.

He made shitty videos and stole income from Hasbro.
That is all.
/thread.

>>29088219
Vimeo has pretty strict copyright usage guidelines, you cannot directly use someone else's work in your own.

Basically you have to make all of the content in your video yourself or it is taken down. So analysis and CinemaSins parodies will not be allowed.

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>>29088266
Nice bait, kiddo

>>29088260
Veoh
Nico Nico Douga
MakerTV (this is pretty great for creators)
Facebook

Why don't you all just support him on patreon?

>>29088157
Companies tend to not pay as much attention to it, so that's an advantage, but when you get hit, you reportedly get treated worse than on youtube, which at least has somewhat working appeal system that - as slow and shitty as it is - will at least save you from having your channel unjustly shut down most of the time.

>>29088286
If he needs money that bad he can just get a real job.

Turns out youtube responded to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRAFWF3LJnw
What a fucking joke. Nobody's complaining that videos are missing from the subscriptions page. The issue, as I understand it I don't actually have a youtube account is that the videos from your subscribed channels also used to show up on the main page, and now they just don't.

>>29088833
>youtube responded to this
By which I mean, responded to the general issues with subscriptions. Obviously they don't care about Dawn Somewhere in particular

>>29088258
I wonder if it would bw like the old days of the internet where specific videos were hosted in one webpage
That would be interesting

>>29087832
Because, big surprise, a lot of people who make a living off of YT that don't shit out 20 videos a day are poor as fuck. That's why this is an issue in the first place.

>>29088260
seems Vid.me appears to be the place everyone is going.

>>29089103
There is no video monetization on that site.

>>29089165
Yeah, surprising that it's so popular with content creators, instead of vimeo for example.

>>29089103
Shit literally looks like discount Youtube. The dash does, anyway.
Anyone use it regularly? Is it any good? If it is, let's just shill this shit wherever we can.

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>>29087622

>>29087527
Sue Youtube?

>>29087527
>The fandom death is near to us.
No, the end of this long drawn out death is near.

And it's not a question of if the movie will fail to revive it.

>>29087527
good riddance

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>mlp fandom is on the decline
>no longer valve cocksucking in every video game discussions
>everyone's slowly starting to hate youtube now
F-Fug

>>29089870

Youtube is basically turning into a giant library of niggers jumping in front of a camera going "ONE MILLION LIKES NIGGA WE CAN DO IT SENPAI CLICK THAT THUMBS UP AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE VIDEOS OF ME BEGGING FOR LIKES SO YOUTUBE THINKS WERE RELEVANT"

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>>29089890
youtube was originally there to be tv created by regular people, for regular people. now its a corporate advertising hotbed and clickbait fake news shit.

>>29089927
So it's succeeding in its goal, then.

Things aren't all that bad for me personally despite how the video, there is a decline according to stats but really it's been the same every year. Release new video, does well, then starts dropping off after a month or so, so nothing out of the unexpected for me.

It might be true that any new videos i upload wont gain traction but I really have no idea if it will be so or not since i havent uploaded since october.

But i have a lot of projects in works regardless of this, and they are all non pony except one which is NSFW.

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>>29087622

Here's your (you)

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>>29089801
Well the movie certainly won't revive it. Not unless Allspark does a shitton of marketing to make sure it's well known. Not every country has MLP on their tellies.

>>29087622
It's not even mediocre, just straight up terrible, I'm convinced you have to be underage to like this crap.

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>>29090386
yeah, says a guy who spends his time in an image board full of smutfiction for a children's show .

>>29087894
How about all that Twitter profit

Oh wait

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>>29087856
They want to pull in normalfags, the sort of people who actually click clickbait.

I think that YouTube screwing over their audience will create a vacuum that someone else will eventually exploit to boost their company.

Also please, the fandom won't die just because of youtube. I bet you people even screamed out loud that the fandom is dead as Twilycorn was shown for the first time. Bunch of dramaqueens.

>>29088192
That's not really how it works. Just because a company owns a subsidiary doesn't mean they're going to funnel money to a loser forever. Youtube operates separate from the body of Google, and Google (Alphabet) has divested underperforming companies before. Youtube could very well end up on the chopping block if they screw up enough.

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So given their shitty policies, how long until they change their copyright policy and it kills the likes of Kyrospawn. Or EpicGteGuy.

>>29090449
YouTube is famous for making awful changes that no one is happy with and sticking to them.

>>29087633
>>29087634
>>29087636
>>29087642
>>29087771
>>29087780
>>29088235
>>29089365
>>29090380
>>29090386
>Replying to the bait
You anons are contributing well to the decline of this containment board. /mlp/ will die soon, and so will the fandom as it is already in it's death throes. It will be as if you bronies never existed.

>>29090398
I fail to see your point.

>>29090460
(You)

>>29090433
vid.me is a possible contender and i had a conversation with twitch after they contacted me on input for the creative section.

>>29090469
Point is your opinion is subjective. If thousands of people enjoyed it while your tastes might as well fall under raunchiness, you might as well be hating it out of its popularity.

>>29090480
Well there you go.
I have never even heard of that website before youtube changed it's algorithm. Now I have heard it countless times already. If they keep spreading like that, then they could make it big

>>29090453
That's why I said when rather than what if.

>>29087527
Who gives a fuck? I said it last thread and I'll say it again - if you're talented enough to make animations of any kind then stop wasting it on other people's characters and make your OWN damn series.

>>29090486
>Point is your opinion is subjective
Yeah, I stated my opinion.
>If thousands of people enjoyed it
Good argument.

>>29090505
but he actually did
>gym of the romantic journey
>one-shot animations gravity falls and steven universe are my favs
>banana republic
>talks with greg
>allen hour
>art with petirep
>the singular guide to love and seduction still waiting for chapter 2

and many more. he is a good animator, and his crew is reliable

>>29087867
>>29087879
>>29088919
Then wouldn't some wealthy entrepreneur, seeing the opportunity, swoop in to offer an alternative? I'm sure it would go the way of Youtube after a few years, but it would work in the short term.

>>29087558
>>29087560
Admittedly YouTube as a whole is a net loss for google, so it wouldn't be terribly unlikely that they would slowly kill it.

>>29091953
There's currently not a working model for online video hosting to become profitable, and there's a bunch of different reasons. One of which is copyright law, which is so badly disfigured that the act of publishing anything at all can lead to a complication somewhere.

For starters, the DMCA contains a number of highly specific provisions that indemnify a company against legal repercussions for hosting a copyright infringement, and the worst of them demand that the host bend over backwards for copyright owners. If a copyright owner feels like the host hasn't spread their ass-cheeks wide enough, they can drag the host off to court, which has happened to Youtube multiple times now. Youtube has never lost a lawsuit because the Content ID system so heavily favors large companies that its created an almost unlivable situation of abuse for a lot of independent entertainers, and in light of that, the copyright industry has been lobbying to change the DMCA so that they can defeat Youtube in court and wipe them off the face of the earth.

The whole legal framework of copyright is not designed to function in a world where people can publish anything they like at no personal charge to themselves, and the publishing industry isn't ready to let such a world exist.

All that is just dipping the toe in the water. Online video hosting is expensive, it's a legal mess, and very powerful enemies are lined up to kill anyone who pops their head up far enough to get swatted. Vimeo has also been targeted by lawsuits that have dragged them down. Blip suffered from similar problems and eventually collapsed.

>>29092166
Real question, Why hasn't Facebook faced any notable copyright ordeals? They have their own media playback codec correct? How come all I hear is other sites getting in the mess and not Facebook?

I hope any future competitor would allow changing the playback speed. Vid.me doesn't appear to have that function and I use it a lot on YouTube vids that talk either too fast or slow.

>>29092202
I think it's because as a video media hosting platform they're still fairly small. Many people upload photos, but there's not a massive photo publishing industry to hound them all day and night, and those guys don't have the bottomless resources of Viacom or Universal to try to hound them into financial oblivion. Plus, Facebook is profitable, so a lawsuit likely wouldn't kill them on costs alone - and lawsuits do kill the video hosting websites even when they win because the expenses are just too great.

If Facebook starts hosting a LOT of video, expect them to be part of the copyright industry's whine and propaganda. Also expect them to be taken to court for not being destructively aggressive towards their own clients.

>>29092234
I once read an article last year saying Facebook's media codec took a decent amount of traffic from other media sources like YouTube. The article editor claimed it was because there are less strings attached so people could post their Drake memes etc without getting their shit claimed for 10 seconds of music not belonging to them.

I believe it, but I don't feel like digging for that old article and posting it.

>>29092245
Yeah, there's a reported problem where Facebook allows people to upload stuff they ripped from Youtube, and that means that no traffic or ad revenue is being directed back to the Youtuber who made the video.

But - and I hate to sound too jaded here - those don't matter in the eyes of tort law. The amount of revenue you could generate from a viral Youtube video isn't enough to even pay the court fees, let alone a competent copyright lawyer. As long as a platform is pirating from normal people and not massive corporations like Viacom, there's not really any fear. That's also the key to how Content ID works. It very, very regularly pirated ad revenue away from ordinary people who had rights in theory, but in practice the few hundred or even thousand dollars Content ID stole from them would never be worth a court case.

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>>29092270
>It's not worth a court case.
Pretty much this. A lot of people think that just because someone isn't taking legal measures to stop them that it is still legal.

A lot of content creators, including me, are very fortunate to get away with what we do.

In case you haven't seen enough horsefamous people talk about the state of youtube, here's one from ObabScribbler
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/12/another-pony-youtuber-getting-hit-by.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdBPjW_N0A4
This one's pretty long and rambly and doesn't really say anything new as far as I can tell

>>29087527
So if YouTube dies where the creative contents go?

>>29094116
vid.me, seems like. No idea why there, but it's the one all the content creators seem to be talking about

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I wonder if this has something to do with why his new RDP Star in Yellow has only a fraction the views that his previous ones had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPx-K9QRS8s

>>29087527
SFS is still going? I though they disbanded when Zedrin left the fandom and his story driven tumblr blogs before even finishing the first arc, god!.
Anyway
>still using shilltube3.0 as if it was the only video-sharing site on the internet.

>>29087642
Your point?

>>29094132
>vid.me

never heard of it. Red pill me.

>>29094210
He talks in the video about how Star in Yellow wasn't showing up in his subscribers' feeds. That's probably the main reason.

>>29094234
SFS is kill. Not like it matters much since they haven't done pony in like two years.

>>29094253
It's yet another video hosting site, exact same setup as youtube and vimeo and dailymotion. For some reason, all the people who are getting screwed by youtube are talking about moving to vid.me (or maybe to twitch) instead of vimeo/dailymotion.

>>29094271
>Star in Yellow wasn't showing up in his subscribers' feeds

That's why I never login but lurk instead.

What SFS

is vid.me stable?

>>29094291
Silly Filly Studios. They made the 'episode' about some blind pegasus filly. The only notable thing about it was that it released at the same time as Double Rainboom and was slightly less horrible.

Two extra holes.

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>>29090460
>bronies
Good riddance. I have a life outside pony anyways.

>>29088235
>fatty rarity
kek

>>29087558
What algo change is this now? Wasn't it already skewed beyond the point of animation being viable?

>>29087642
sherclop pones

>>29096326
The jist is YouTube is trying to be more like Netflix so their algos favor channels that upload frequently -and- have a loyal watchbase that finishes every video.

Also subscriber feeds are ridiculously skewed you will end up thinking their promoted by YouTube.

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>>29087527

>>29096328
FiW is pretty much dead though isn't it

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>>29090460

bait or not, this anon is right.

>>29096730
yeah. Massive internal spaghetti killed it

>>29096752
What happened?
I heard about one actor liking the other and everything became awkward.

>>29096757
pretty much just that. Think he asked her out and she said no

>>29090460
>soon
At least five years after Hasbro ceases to produce pony eps/movies. And fanfic writers pretty much became self-sustainable. Maybe you'll be old enough to legally post on 4chan by then.

>>29096782

the megaman fandom with their one thread per week said hi

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>>29096763
>tfw you manage to defeat pasta
>tfw you get down
>only more pasta

>>29096723
Really wish their total activity was scrollable rather than cramped into the one space.

And to think, you can actually see the S3 finale literally killing the board.

>>29096829
The spaguetti never ends.

>>29096763
What, that's it? There's got to be more to the story than that. Like him (or her) massively failing to contain their spaghetting afterward.

>>29096906
The guy has a bit of a reputation for being kind of absurdly sensitive, so as soon as she didn't reciprocate his feelings it was probably just over and done with. I imagine she knew how to handle him, but there was nothing she could have done.