Drawfag Improvement General

I think it should be
Artist Motivation Thread
or Beginner's guide. I know a LOT of artists who would be glad to help / not the kind who boast about their skills and acts like demotivators but the "Drawfag" in the title might make them feel uneasy since some are gay or bi.
Either way good luck with that.
Just keep knowing that you are good and you will do your best no matter what others say.

>>28941679
the irony is, others say I am good but I hate myself more than anyone else could.

>>28941679
>Just keep knowing that you are good
This is exactly how one does not improve. If you think you're hot shit you're not going to ask for help, and when you do you'll tell everyone to fuck off for it. You won't get better.
>>28941689
That's the proper attitude to improve. Just don't be so depressed about it. We're all at different levels, and we all take different amounts of time to improve so just know that.

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>>28941656

We for real this time? Last "Improvement" thread was some douchebag promoting his own work.

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>>28941711
OP here, made this thread to ask for help so yeah I guess.
Pic related, also pic name.

>>28941719
1. Crop your fucking canvas, you primitive idiot
2. Use the tutorials in the Imgur gallery up top. It's easy to find.
3. don't place down arbitrary guidelines and not use them

>>28941719
>i cant crop
ok you indeed need help, which program do you use?

>>28941744
>2. Use the tutorials in the Imgur gallery up top. It's easy to find.
What do you think I've been doing?
>>28941747
>SAI, I have a cracked version of Photoshop CS6 but I can't map the controls to my stylus properly so Im not gonna bother yet.

>>28941768
>What do you think I've been doing?
I couldn't tell that's what you were doing so browse around the gallery to find the one that works best for you

>>28941768
do a selection with a selection tool and then in one of the top bar options (should be nr3 canvas?) there is an option that does crop. mine is not in english so i cant tell you the exact option.

>>28941779
Apologies, all the tuts work but what I struggle with is drawing the mane and their muzzle after drawing everything else.

>>28941797
Hey it's cool. It's more important to learn bodily anatomy at this point. Hair is basically an accessory

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teach me how to git gud (most recent sfw)

>>28941867
i got nothing except that the nose hole is missing
looks good

>>28941689
((hugs))
Aw, you should work on this by starting to stop hating yourself, and fight whatever or whoever makes you feel like this. I hope you're not in depression.

>>28941706
This is just a way to feel down and just loose all will or energy to progress.
It doesn't matter how skilled you can be. it's about your vision and what kind of feelings you can communicate through your art.
You certainmly never studied art. It is a form of expression. Don't be a soulless robot who focus on the details and fill a page with special HD effects and colors, or you will feel miserable. These people ARE miserable, because they spent most of their time working on it. not making friends, lacking social interaction... and usually have the privilege to live in a rich family... While you'll need to work one year at McDonalds to afford a Mac and a Wacom. That's the difference. Art is painful art is violence. Play out of your enemies fields.
Imagine you're Apple Bloom fighting Diamond Tiara on an art contest. Her parents offered her the possibility to study in some art school. She is familiar with CG and art techniques. You made yourself the hard way. You must beat her.

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>>28942091

>>28941679
> but the "Drawfag" in the title might make them feel uneasy since some are gay or bi.
This is not Tumblr
Fuck off

>>28941679
this isnt a hug box fuck off

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Well, might as well put my art on the line.

Tear it too shreds if need be.

>>28941679
I know that reddit is going through harsh moments right now
but please dont post that shit here if you dont want people to make fun of you

>>28942091
>>>28941706(You)
>This is just a way to feel down and just loose all will or energy to progress etc etc
Firstly I've been studying art for 18 years (yes I'm old) so I know what I'm talking about. I guess I could have said it nicer, but basically my point was to never stop trying to improve. Don't settle with art your family and friends like, be the best you can be and always practice and get solid critique

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>>28942448
are you even trying? just look at that cutie mark, look at the left eye, the second color of her mane is missing, the whole lineart is unclean. Try to actually do your best and then get back to ask for advice. there is no point in writing feedback if you aren't even trying. I bet you know your mistakes yourself.

>>28942708
No feeding the troll

>>28942719
no feeding zimbabwe

>>28942708
I am trying, but no need to make a huge deal about it.

>>28942708
That isn't a critique, thats just shitposting.

>>28941867
It's bad cause it's not epona

>>28943007
if it's not bait then I don't know what exactly you expected. read a couple tutorials and start with the basics.

>>28943066
no point in giving critique if the mistakes are so obvious. it's as if i ask for feedback to a meal i prepared and it's just burned

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>>28942448

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>>28943428
>actually trying to help zimbabwe

>>28941867
>that ass
you got a blog/deviantart/derpibooru?

>>28943441
anearbyanimal on everything

anybody got shit to redline
come on im bored

>>28943428
I can tell just by the linework who did this :^)

>>28943470
Its you? :O

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>>28941867
The shadows could use pic-related's treatment, unless your horse is in a cloudy enough day, of course.

And, depending on which of my interpretations of the back-legs is correct, you should go for either of the options on the right of my pic.

Hope it helps somehow.

>>28943488
if you're talkin redlines I'd appreciate >>28940692

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Head is very disproportionate to the body but I tried a different tutorial that I like. I dont like how my muzzles come out though, seems abit too round.

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>when drawfagship is back

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>>28943812
This is how i normally do muzzles, by showing that it has depth. Also, it's normally a good idea to not do perfect ovals as eyes. Drawing circles and practicing drawing stucture is definitely where everyone should start though! keep it up, keep learning

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>>28943708
im bad at foreshortening, sorry. also, when you do perspective like this it is important to have a vanishing line so getting solid perspective really hinges off of that.

>>28944002
Yeah I've been experimenting with showing cheeks kek when it comes to angled heads. So far it just looks derpy but I'll update when I can. Regarding eyeshape, should I follow the show set of eyes and then just see what I like from there? I.E Twilights eyes are pointed at the end but round on top

>>28944012
that's really helpful man, thanks! I need to practice perspective so it's good to see areas i need to fix

>>28944002
>>28944012
Please try to do more show style rather than your own. Not because your style is bad (it's good) but because people that are still learning need to learn the rules before they can break them
>>28943812
>>28944002
Definitely an improvement, Keep it up!

>>28944046
Showing cheeks on angled heads is obviously a style choice, and if you think it looks good then do it! For eyes, I'd go with getting used to drawing the structure of the head first, then finding what looks good. Also, doing a rough sketch before lines is a MUST. Do it as often as possible. And for the example of twilight's eyes, you can always darken the top art of the eyes to emphasize her eyelashes, a little bit of a boldened part of the eye goes a long way

>>28944101
Oddly enough, I'm not good at sketches. I keep doing - - - - -. etc. I'm not exactly sure or used to drawing with my entire arm either. Any tips?

On a side note, what tablets do you guys use? I'm >>28944002
I just bought an intuos pro two days ago. So far I have no issue with the hand-eye disconnect, but should I have gotten something else?

>>28944101
Also, for the most part on angled heads, the muzzle beginning is almost directly under the far eye right?

>>28944254
it can be, if you look at a few different artists they all have ways of doing it. My personal favorite is having the line for the eye intersect into the line for the muzzle, though it obviously depends on which way they're facing

>>28944231
No way. For the price, the Intuos line is probably the best value in the world of tablets. That one ought to take you far, and many professionals swear by it. Even better if you don't need to sink a couple months into overcoming the disconnect.

>>28944231
I've always used a wacom bamboo tablet, the way i got used to using it is by bringing it to school with me and using it to take notes. When it feels natural, you're on the right track. I don't know which program you use, but if you're only a few days into it, make sure you have a stabilizer that feels good to you.

>>28944407
>>28944417
>>28944426
Thanks for all the help guise.
Gonna be doodling late into the night, also writing some green I guess. Will update with progress whenever

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>>28943428
thanks for red lining it, I can see that the eye is lopsided and my proportions a bit messed up.
It really helps.

I'm trying to fix my art and hope I can improve
soon.

I hope this is a better attempt. Other than that, thanks for the help.
>>28943488
if you'd like, I'd appreciate this one and then I'd come back another time.

>>28944769
you can redline the zim but you can't fix the babwe

>>28944860
Oh hi hatter, I like your art. It is pretty cute. Any helpful tips and etc.?

>>28944860
Oooh wow, when the art is subpar, you squeel zimbabwe, but when it looks good you don't even talk shit.

Look at the double standards.

>>28945126
why would I talk shit about something good, zimbabwe?

>>28944769
Are you saying that this isn't a bad drawing?
>>28945207

>>28945250
no, i'm saying you've never made anything good

>>28945266
Come on, just say something nice for once. Whether I am or not zimbabwe, at least for this once.

Say at least something nice.

>>28945278
fuck off zimbabwe

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>>28944769

not nearb here, other drawfag
I think this is an improvement 10-fold! Just a few things that are objectively wrong i fixed, everything else is subjective. I do believe that the way you do eyes is making them a little too big, which in turn will make it harder if you do more expressions. The way you did the end of the tail makes it look droopy as well. Ears are very rabbit-like, but not inherently wrong, aside from the one in the back being a little (and i mean a LITTLE) off.

>>28945414
Indeed
>>28944769
Understood the concept completely just with a redline, amazing

>>28945414
>>28945496
Sweet yaaaaaaas. I got better, wooooh

Thanks for all the help woot!

>>28945278
I'll say something nice; I like when you post your art so I can laugh at it

>>28945414
Again, I must ask you to stick with show style redlines because they seriously need to learn the show's anatomy before they can make their own style or they'll just end up copying yours.

>>28941656

>>28946051
>>28945266
>>28946054
You have no say in the matter Hatter, your art is simplistic childish vomit on paint. If you knew how to actually make decent art, then people would listen to you.

I know, ive seen your derpis.

>>28947266
I'm not Hatter, I'm just mildly concerned about anon not finding his own style.
>>28945266
Not me.

>>28947350
Have a brownie point for not being hatter.

>>28941867
Watch Tsitra's video about drawing hair.

>>28945414

>Teaching someone your dogshit style

It's time to stop. It's only detrimental.

>>28943617

Dis nigga knows. Listen to him.

Also the person you're helping didn't actually want help. They wanted compliments.

>>28947741
bump

>>28946054
I don't draw in that style, but I wanted to go extra off-model JUST because i knew you'd comment <3

>>28948909
Dude I don't know who you think I am, I'm just someone else that helps out in these threads but don't feel like redlining atm

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Been experimenting, wat do you guys think?

itt anon argues with phantoms
>>28949165
experimenting with what? having back legs drawn too close together?
You don't do the chickenscratch lines. They say that's good. Keep up the artfaggottry. Maybe try more gesture drawings?

>>28949341
Will do, but how do I keep my heads from looking qetgjrwfdhjvrsufihfgdzxu ?

>>28949341
Forgot to add: That was the outcome after sketches and 3-4 layers. I still dont do chickenscratch lines though.

>>28949482
More round heads + neck that doesn't look he's allergic to shellfish and he just ate lobster

>>28949499
>mfw its supposed to be a girl
>mfw too lazy to draw a face
>yfw no pic attached

>>28949540
If it's supposed to be a girl, it's a little too manly probably mostly because of that beefy neck and such small ears. If you're too lazy to fix things then why should we bother helping you?

>>28949579
Your reading comprehension is lacking.
Reread all three lines.
Not to mention I'm fucking around with a style right now outside of show accurate.
>mfw too lazy to draw a face
Not
>mfw too lazy to redraw the face

>>28949599
It doesn't matter, if you're not going to draw a face nor REdraw a face, it's the same problem of not wanting to get better enough. We are trying to help you but you need to act like you want the help, that you want to improve. and that you can do your best to apply yourself.

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>>28949611
You're failing to see the joke.
I said >MFW its supposed to be a girl
Followed by >MFW too lazy to draw a face, which implies that I would have a reaction pic
Then >YFW no pic attached, implies my shitty attempt at humor
You sir, however, are taking this waaaaay to far up the butt.

>>28949651
You didn't make it an obvious joke. You were legit asking for help and I was legit trying to help you. I can't tell if you're being sarcasm as English is my second language, sorry.

>>28949663
Its fine, I appreciate the tips/serious talk regardless. Only makes sense afterall.

>>28941656
/vp/ has a discord group for drawfags, anyone wanna make one for here?

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>>28949663
I have to go do some shit but I started a new sketch. I thought I'd ask you if I was doing anything wrong with my base sketches before I left; Gonna check responses on phone.

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>>28949839
This isn't really a base sketch. It's more like 3 circles, loose construction lines.

Though as you can tell there's nothing wrong with the circles. I'd recommend looking at other poses besides just this one though. With all the pony poses I normally have to do this is one that doesn't come up often.

>>28949873
/r/ color her with black mane and green coat

>>28949938
i second this motion

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>>28949938
>>28949941
For all your anonpone needs

I didn't think this was going to be anything more than a stupid redline, I shouldn't have merged every fucking layer.

>>28950074
Thank you senpai

Also thanks for redline zimzam, I'm actually copying everything to practice.

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>>28949873
Watabout now?
Also Im just trying to nail down the regular pose before I start any other poses.

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>>28950074
shit fuck, missed a few things on that anon picture

>>28950074
The back leg is a little off, but i want to see you draw any pone, just pick on and draw them. I want you to turn down the opacity on this picture and create a new layer ontop of it and draw a pony. Could be an OC, a canon one, whatevs

>>28950183
>>28950246

>>28950830
Sorry, I was busy. Do you want me to draw using a reference pic or just draw one without looking at a tutorial?

>>28950897
You can look at a reference, but use that rough sketch you did as the base

Also Im looking to get a new monitor cause mine is older than Celestia Would 27 inch be over kill for a medium size intuos pro? Should I get a 24 inch instead?

>>28950926
Different anon here. Large tablets like that aren't all that necessary, I find. I personally use a little Bamboo tablet and it does all I need it to.

>>28950926
>>28950996

Ah I'm stupid, you were talking about monitor size. I don't think it matters too much, just whatever's your preference for viewing.

>>28941656
>rape

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>>28950924
Still don't like how my muzzles are coming out. Im starting to get used to eyes. I also figured out that I have to start on a big canvas and then just scale down when done....

>>28951037
ignore that shit, I did some edits, coming out in a few.

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>>28951037
New version

>>28949774
https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/event/horsefuckers

We have a google hangout. It's much better with smaller groups because you don't need to add anyone and you can screen share for some live paintover/redlines. Or just paint with the group. It creates a nice classroom-like setting.

>>28951566
dang familia i like this style, it's cute and cartoony
you got a site?

>>28952622
>you got a site?
only deviantart but theres nothing nice there

>>28953100
>only [insert art portfolio site here] but theres nothing nice there
Said every artist ever.

>>28951037
>>28951110
Any tips? aside from keep drawing

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>>28954395
Learn some fundamentals. Saying anything else would be nitpicking.

>>28954372
Forgot the fucking link.
http://lockhe4rt.deviantart.com/art/Ember-Snow-616925964

i don't know why but this one is receiving likes till today

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>>28943110
I can relate to >>28942448 since I am also a beginner.

To use your methaphor, the problem is not seeing that it's fucked, but why.
Was the plate too hot?
Did it cook too long?
Not enough oil?

Sometimes a "muh guides n tutorials" wont cut it. To a beginner it can be like reading a book in a language you don't understand.

Sometimes you need some external help that tells you what is wrong and why.
And maybe advice on how to fix it.

I don't want to play the importance of those studies and guides down but if it was that easy nobody would ever need /ic/.

A heart for plebs!

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>>28954473
>And FEEL IT

>>28954473
What did it mean when it says "Dont construct everytime or youll feel stiff"?

>>28955176
This kinda porves my point.
>>28955035

As to my understanding it means that if you consrtuct everything and every detail EXACTLY to perspective and other rules it seems too technical.
Like a picture in a scientific book for example.
There would be no artistic appeal.
Too much information that doesn't add to the point or message of the picture and no room for imagination.

Straight lines have no life in them.

I hope that makes sense.

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>>28955176
It means something which would look like this.
>pic related one of my previous drawings
I hate it and I'm very sorry for the Anon who /r/equested it.

>>28955176
>>28955233
>Straight lines have no life in them.

You're on the right track, adding onto that what I meant is a lot of sight happens in the brain (which is imperfect by nature), through the eyes, which are pretty much lenses that distort on their own. As such, things constructed perfectly will always feel a little unnatural and stiff, On the other hand, feels without some form of constructive realism, there's nothing that we can relate to as human beings.

This is why at step one, I suggest perspective and gesture as two basic things to learn separately. Perspective so you get a basic idea of structure, and gesture to get a basic idea of FEELING IT. They're two very separate beasts one can take two or so years, the latter, a lifetime. The point of step three is to start to internalize both and learn how to balance them because one with out the other ends in shit. Ohh, and step two is to make the tutorial pony related.

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>>28955565
Shit, stupid phone turned it.
Hope it works now.
Here, rate muh horse drawings.

>>28955609
I can't really offer any feedback on the pone since you are better than me.
But in the lower left picture her hair doesn't seem to be affected by gravity. It clings to her neck too much.

Any Luna tutorials out there?

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what is the wrongest and how be fixed

>>28956506
>thingpone
everything

>>28955609
>circles
keep doing it
so your lines wont be fuzzy

>>28956506
In all honesty, there's nothing here that can exactly be fixed because it'd be nitpicking. Thingpone is a touchy character to draw. MAYBE the body is a bit too thick, but thats just my point of view

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/ic/ me before I finish this please

>>28959449
oh hey that's cute! The crayon-esque way of drawing is nice, love discord's face. I think fluttershy looks a little off in the way she's sitting, look at some sitting horse poses, plus the back hooves need to be changed. I think Discord's body is a little TOO noodle-y, plus his hind legs also look too short.

>>28959478
got it, thanks man I'll work on it

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MY latest creabomination

>>28959449

Did you draw discord before FS?
Its notorious dude, draw her again from scratch

>>28960422
who dat

>>28961174
just a random doodle

>>28960422
Anyone have any tips?

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>>28961722

Use circles
Draw a sphere and attach features on it, nose, eyes, etc

I see you have problems on hair too, hair bends like paper, Twilight's mane is just a piece of paper

>>28963016
That was after sketches n bases n shit. Thanks for the tips on hair though.

Didn't get much of critique from the draw thread, do you think you guys could help me check the shading on this one? Thanks guys.

>>28956612

>>28956612
You're the mistake.

>>28964027
I think the shading's fine, but something doesn't feel right about twilight's face. Also, no nostrils?

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Why drawfags leave /mlp/

>>28964027
I'm not an expert in shading at all and still a beginner myself, but it looks like you just threw a gradient in there, rather than adding an actual shadow. As if you didn't even bother to keep in mind that there's a form to all of it. Not even a cast shadow in places where it might be a good idea to add a cast shadow.
Also, why hard shade on the mane but soft shade on the body?
Lastly, fix your nostrils, and Twiggle's ear. Might wanna experiment a lil' bit with line weight, too.

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>>28964102
>twilight's face
I felt something was off, but couldn't pinpoint it even when I did the "flip horizontal" trick. Now looking back on it, it may her face's position on her head, like its not correctly centered possibly?
>no nostrils
I fuck up nostrils a lot. Just figured I'd leave that small piece out rather than add them and make the horses look like that guy with the nose that looks like a shotgun barrel with 2 gaping holes.

>>28964108
>just threw a gradient in there
I essentially did a more simplified version of what my friend shino does, and used a pressure opacity brush, and became more generous as I arrived at the edge. I kind of like the way the effect came out, kind of an interesting smooth texturey kinda thing, but I'm all ears to how you think I could improve it, or better the way I currently do it.
>that there's a form to all of it
I attempted to incorporate light sources vs curves and stuff life that. I kind of took the "areas I shaded" deal from a post I saw from Braeburned, in which he would talk about going from gentle to hard shadows as the "bend or curve" would become more dramatic.
>not even a cast shadow
I'm assuming you're referring to shadows where light is completely blocked out by an overlooking object? Yah, I tried implementing them in some areas, but in others I was just too afraid to because I tried and it looked really bad, so I just chose to not add certain ones.
>hard shade on the mane but soft shade on the body?
I actually did incorporate hard shadow in certain areas on the ponies' bodies, but they came out WAY too opaque compared to the softs I used. I will keep this in mind for my next digital drawings.
>nostrils
Yah I know, just kinda fell in that "dont wanna mess it up so don't add it" nonsense with the cas shadows
>twiggles ear
That I could rectify by moving twi's mane downward relative to her ear I believe, good catch, I looked at that too.
>line weight
I'll do that when upgrade from GIMP.

Thanks for the critiques

>>28964107
No, this is how drawfags git gud

:^)

>>28964172
Quick mistake: Not actually friends with shino, I was friends with the initial guy I was gonna write in, but then replaced the friend with shino without removing the word "friend". Just clarification.

>>28964180
>:^)
Ok, family

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>>28964172
By just trying to do a redline on twi's face It shows that she's too oval shaped. Rainbow dash is a good circle face. That's probably what's messing you up.

>>28964210
Yah that definitely looks like that could be the problem. I was initially going to say "well shes making a big grin, and I needed to exaggerate it (because of the meme faces from the episode), but even then so I still overdid it. I guess I choked a bit when trying to make the ginormous grin.

>>28964210
>>28964223
Looking at it now, I'm trying to figure out how I can maintain that large grin without adding too much "face". I feel like keeping the eyes and muzzle in a normal position, with the addition of the grin. would lead to me running out of "twi circle face" to work with. How do you think I could maintain that grin without losing the circleness of her head?

>>28964334
I probably didnt read your post right but have you tried making her face wider?

>>28964368
Reading your post, I assume you read it correctly. Essentially, I feel like to make that big grin work, I need her face to just be longer, but I don't want it to be, and I'm curious how I could achieve that. I feel like if I made her face wider, then I would lose the integrity of the location of her eyes on her head. Just doing some little reference circles with eyes on it leaves the eyes looking either smaller or more out of place. Maybe, I could compensate by making the bottom eyelid more covering her eye?

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>>28964172
there is nothing about that image that you should be trying to emulate. draw from life and draw from show-style

>>28964385
If youre worried about having facial features be too small, perhaps you have to redraw her. Or just make the eyes bigger. Probably not the latter.

>>28964516
That actually was the wrong image, it was the OC of the correct artist, but not the current artist's style. Sorry about that haha

>>28964565
Hmm, alrighty. I'll look into that.

>>28964172
>nostrils
pratice it
>>28964027
make craziest twiggles
lesson zero one for example

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I've been trying to make open mouths in pixel art in a way that isn't creepy for a longass time without any success, does anyone have any suggestion? I feel like I am so obfuscated with the problem I lost sight of the larger picture.

>>28967821
kinda looks detached
how about filling the one grey pixel with color and removing the one thats one row lower and one to the left?

>>28967821
The jaw is simply dropping, it looks unnatural. When you open your mouth wide, your lips don't part like a car compacter, they open up on an almost 45 degree angle.

Think of the top jaw and the neck as a right angle with the lower jaw being a hinge.

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>>28968427
>>28968402
I tried multiple angles for each expression, and I think this is the best possible one for each. Opinions?

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>>28968640
I don't pixel but I tried a thing for you

>>28968827
Less is more, proven true once again.

Bump so that aspiring drawfags get the help they need.

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Tried to draw a pony in a bad dragon hoodie. Even with construction its nightmarish to get smooth lines

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Lighting and shading are my enemies right now :/
Can someone give a critique.

>>28970530
what are you drawing with, ms paint and a mouse? if so, stick with pixel art because the bleeding white will ruin the quality of any image. also, if you're not using ms paint, use a stabilizer (they're created specifically for making smooth lines)
another thing: when drawing a hat or anything similar, draw the head first, THEN add the hoodie overtop. right now it looks like part of his skull's been chopped off

>>28970701
Believe it or not that was done on an intuos in photoshop. I'll definitely need to look into a stabiliser

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>>28959449
Is this better? If flutters' legs are still way too fucked up, a redline or s/t would be greatly appreciated

how to get good at anatomy other than waiting for your brain to go "oh, thats ugly"

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>>28971165
You read about anatomy. You only need to know the landmarks the the origin and insertion of most of the muscles. Knowing the name helps you with that though.

I have horse related wops.

>>28970530
Do lines exercises
You can find them on drawabox, and avoid stabilizer unless you are doing a request
>>28970577
Study how light affect shapes
Do and study still lifes
>>28970831
The legs are much better but I would sugest you to just end that pic
When you are beginner quantity>quality
>>28971165
Read Loomis' figure drawings and apply it to ponies, give a fast read to all head construction lessons because ponies have very simple construction

bamp

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Help, I havent really drawn anything digitally on my tablet in krita for a while I cant import my brushes from another program I used in its absence. What is the fastest way to get back into the groove of things. (Ive been still drawing doodling and sketching on paper however)

>>28973904
>What is a question mark?

>>28973904
thats a good question

>>28973904

What leads people to stop drawing?
I hate to not have time to draw, everyday I do around 1-2 hours of drawing sometimes procastinating more important things

Why would you stop drawing when you are young? Neuroplasticity runs out and then you wont be able to learn anything even if you try

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>>28974907
Ive never stopped drawing. Ive been drawing on paper since i was young. I just kinda stopped digitally I wish I had more time for it to be honest. Ive always had a pencil/pen on me with paper/sketchbook to doodle or draw on. I however cannot say the same digitally however, Everything is just off. Its feels like losing an ability I know i should have, or resetting my experience/muscle memory a ton.
Like I feel I've reseted to Zimbabwe quality kek

If anyone uses Cs6, can someone tell me how to set up pen controls? I'm currently stuck using SAI since I don't know how to setup photoshop with my tablet without watching a 25 minute long video.

>>28975530
Assuming you mean photoshop CS6 all you would really need is all under your brushes window. But to understand it all, you probably would want to watch the video, or mess around in it while watching/ listening to it, something might catch your ear while tampering with the bush settings.

>>28975619
thanks but i meant how to make my eraser actually work/how to set the two buttons on my stylus to undo, new layer, etc.

>>28975651
Oh thats usually through your tablet driver's settings senpai. Id put my money looking over there, setting it to your shortcuts on the keyboard, then restarting photoshop for it to take effect. I don't really use wacom and even basic tablets drivers should be able to do it so I wish you best of luck finding it lol.

>>28975681
thanks

>>28971207
what is that little clock thing? can you share it?

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>>28975858
digital version of this I think

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>>28974907
They start for the wrong reasons or somehow get into their head that they won't be amazing even if they really try.

>>28975681
>>28975704
There's a button on the tablet you should be able to press to open it up. At least, that's how it is with most of the intuos series.

Good luck joining the masterrace, Anon.

>>28975619
Adding onto this, you can pretty much have all your brushes as neat tool presets that can save opacity, flow, color, and brush type or even anything neat in the mixer brush settings to make your overall brush set neater. Pic related.

>>28975858
Here you go Anon. I didn't make it but I don't remember where I got it either.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7adzvj8nchsmhbl/Work%20Timer.rar?dl=0

>>28976071
Pretty much this. You can sync up to three programs to it and the timer will only run if you're on those programs. It will turn red if you tab out or if you're idle for 10 seconds (though you can adjust this too.)

Bomp

>>28976940
Bomp again

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New to this general, posting sum of my werk.
Scared of colors, if anyone wants to say something, go ahead.
Is there a way how to not make sai eat all the RAM in the existence of the planet? Or are there any comfy alternatives?

Thanks in advance.

>>28977537
Well how much ram do you have? May be time to download some more :^) you'll probably just have to have background processes/programs running at a minmum. I.e browser for reference, sai for drawfagging. Thas ih rlly.

>>28977606
Running 8Gb machine. the problem is when working at 10k by10k pixels, it has troubles using brushes near the end. I use sai mainly for the GUI and the stabilizer, though it's cryptical and make no sense. Anyone has suggestions for a replacement?

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I'm drawing Lightning Dust with some rail-gun-looking thing and don't really know what to do about uniform/armor colors. Black and brown could always work but is there something that might look better?

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Here's my first attempt at drawing proper shadows. I followed Fornicata's tutorial. http://fav.me/daovobp
/ic/ very welcome.

>>28978702
>entire head
good god.

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is there anyone still red lining
I'd like some feedback on this
(the pony is suppose to be expressing fear and confusion so suggestions on expression are very welcome)

>>28978946
>What are eyelids and eyebrows?

>>28978957
....fuck
things I forgot apparently

>>28978957
>>28979044
>dubs
ponies do not have eyebrows, although with there eyes partially closed it seems to make that impression.

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>>28979288
Dyewts

>>28977658
>10k by10k pixels
Why would you work with that?
But also
>use CS6

>>28978475
Classic green soldier uniform
You should look at color theory for fashion (/fa/ wiki)

>>28978702
Delay shadows
Practice faces

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>>28979337
Yeah, checkem no eyebrows in the neutral postion. They only show 'eyebrows' when eyes are in a partially closed eyed expression.

>>28979511
>using unofficial art to reference canon.
okay.

>>28979537
That pic is not meant to confirm anything just happened to select one without eyebrows. Go watch the show to confirm. I would post the webm of an episode but you cant post 30min clips here

ada

>>28947266
>>28947359
hi cell still butthurt i see:^)

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bumple bee

draw the horse, anon

You cant tell me what to do! Ima draw a ponie

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>>28980590
peg 9

>>28979484
Using such high res becaause when you scale down, it has less space to show the small mistakes in your lines, ccolours, etc...

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>>28977537
Tried some colouring. Feedback verily appreciated, deffinetelly visible why I like my black and white a lot more, this doesn't look as nice. How else can I get better if I do not practice, though?

>>28982402
1.fix your tablet settings, your pen is doing something weird with the size of your lines.
2.try to keep color inside the boundaries of your drawing
3.dont be afraid to push your colors and values, as it is right now it's hard to notice any kind of variation in them

i'ts hard to tell what you're aiming for, maybe post something close to what you want to achieve? because otherwise it's going to be hard to give you more than generic advise.

>>28982484
>>28982484
Thanks. Trying to bring more detail to the drawing, as the flat colours themselves don't really cut it. Maybe try shading.
I'll try to tweak the tablet settings, but I'm an idiot for getting a Genius one.

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>>28981875

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/ic/? i just started doodling and it came out in a style ive never used before lol

>>28982345

5000x5000 is enough and its 1/4 of the area of 10kx10k

>>28983447

Its hard to measure your true skills with a doodle, post a well done sketch at least to know what are you doing wrong

>>28983447
strange but cute

>>28983793
can you math?

>>28983447
Head looks odd in general. Neck looks like its too thick. Try making it go in towards head. Muzzle/fore head looks weird but to each their own.

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>>28984529
>can you math?
Speak for yourself.

>>28984574
That would be 2500x2500 fucknut.
10/5=2

>>28984529
>>28984738
Please tell me this is bait. I'm cringing.

>>28984780
2500 goes into 10k four times
5000 goes into 10k two times
You're fucking retarded.

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>>28984738
>>28984805
Please tell me you're not this dense...

>>28984817
>>28984780
>>28984529
>>28984738
Anon, wrong kind of math.

>>28952385
There's 3 of us in here atm and I'll be willing to paintover/redline.

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>>28984529
>>28984738
>>28984805
Are you for real?

>>28984805
Wut.

>faggots in this thread not telling why anon is wrong.
>just_point_and_meme-em.jpg
Its like you like keeping retards.
>inb4 you didnt tell him or help the situation either.
Nice damage control faggot.

>>28986474
it makes them feel superior.

Bump for more amusing discussion coming from people oblivious to the difference between length and area.

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>>28986474
Ugh, please give me a break. Wasn't that pic >>28984574 clear enough? This guy acted like a dense faggot.
Anyway here's an explanation.

>>28955035

See the thing is the more you draw and follow those guidelines the better questions you'll come up with and begin to discover and learn on your own. When you see someone tell you to "draw more" that's them telling you that you haven't drawn enough to even ask the right questions. You're supposed to be drawing, following tutorials and be taking notes.

I skimmed through this entire thread and the vast majority of you faggots come in here and go "hurr durr what I do wrong?" It's fucking embarrassing. Make your own God damned observations so that you know what questions to ask. Do your damn hand eye coordination exercises, too. It's sickening seeing so much chicken scratch going on here. Controlling your writing tool is BASIC shit. If you can't do that you're fucking hopeless.

>>28955233
>As to my understanding it means that if you consrtuct everything and every detail EXACTLY to perspective and other rules it seems too technical.
>Like a picture in a scientific book for example.
>There would be no artistic appeal.

Yeah I get what you're saying and I agree to a certain extent. But you're better of using construction in the right perspective so that your undersketch wont be garbage. You start off stiff and begin to slowly begin rounding things out. If your undersketch looks like shit then the entire image is going to end up looking fucked. Finding a nice balance is key but I would recommend being constructive in the beginning. Eventually you'll develop a better mind's eye for this stuff.

I'd rather see solid construction lines than some piece of shit drawing honestly.

>>28990276

Here's a set of basic hand-eye-coordination exercises.

It's 10 minutes long. You should be able to handle that.

https://youtu.be/CFv1MnZi7No

>>28955609

You have potential man. As for your circles you should practice more of a very light, multiple pass motion to making them rather than trying to make a perfect circle. Trying to make a perfect circle in one go is great practice though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiTaJkvuWb4

^an example of what I mean. You "ghost' the motion of the circle then slowly round it out, slowly correcting it with each pass. The other benefit to drawing circles like this is that you develop a light touch. Which is priceless.

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ahhhhhh how do i people

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>>28991033
dubs compel me to post

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>>28991033
and a little a this

>>28992063
>>28992045
thanks! do you have anything for body structure too?

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>>28992104
a couple, hope they help you

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>>28992104

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>>28992136

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>>28992140

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>>28992146

>>28992146
What is this one trying to say?

>>28990276
I get your point but still you need a second pair of eyes sometimes.
After all you drew the things you drew because that how you thought its right to draw them.

>>28990276
This Anon actually fucking gets it. Majority of drawing is catching your own mistakes, fixing them, and learning from it. You guys are cucking yourselves from learning by having others catch your early mistakes.

The only thing more sad than that is that people don't know how to critique in this thread.
Nitpicking small details =/= Critique
Tell someone to study their proportion and anatomy. Don't tell them the eyes look off, and the hand looks weird, the leg could be a little shorter, ect. You're just dancing around the fundamental problem and not helping. The worst part is beginners can't tell the latter is more hurtful than the previous because it's an easier work around than not having to fix the root of the problem.

>>28992155
Theres some pic like this but with ponies?

>>28992946

There are links in the OP and resources that have been posted throughout this thread.

>>28993253
Theres no "How to draw childish, slender, thicc and tall ponies".

>>28991803

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It's sorta shit

>>28997857
>sorta
have you ever studied or drawn anything ever?

>>28997928
nope

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>>28992760
There has to be some middle ground between repeating the same "Perspective, Anatomy, Proportion, Expression,..." under every post, which isn't really that helpful in my opinion, and nitpicking.

>>28998661
You just think it isn't helpful until you actually learn it. Same with doing still lives. Newfriends always think it's useless, but it's the fastest way to learn how light and color works. It's just cold hard facts not everyone wants to accept because actually drawing to get better at drawing, as opposed to asking for help with something you didn't even take a few hours to try and figure out yourself, just seems so far-fetched. Looking back at it the best critique I’ve gotten was very general, like “Go harder into light, faggot. These colors are fucking boring too.” When you ask for critique for self improvement, what more do you need to know other than that? Any more and you’re part of the cancer that just wants attention on their latest pony drawing.


Then again generally not everyone knows what you’re aiming for either in terms of taste or style. Don’t be scared about admitting that. Maybe someone could throw some cool artist recommendations you could study from. That’s about as far as it should go, aside from generally critiquing how the other person is studying. Like, if you’re one of those guys doing photo studies and never doing anything personal or applying what you learn.

>>28999015
I meant that LISTENING to the same "anatomy..." thing over and over again doesnt help.
I am not doubting that these skills are must-have and the very essentials but you need other input aswell.

>>28999276
I agree listening to it over and over again doesn't help. You need to take the initiative to use the critique and actually study it. Making mistakes is fine, but making the same mistakes and getting the same critique is only your own fault.

>>28999298
My point is saying "You suck. Learn anatomy and perspective." isn't a critique either.
It is right, but doesnt help and doesnt motivate.
You can write that under 99% of pictures and delete /ic/.
Especially for beginners.
You need feedback from others and not everyone has the time and motivation to study anatomy perspective and all the other stuff for years before drawing the first real picture.

>>28999374
>"You suck. Learn anatomy and perspective." isn't a critique either.
But it is.
>doesnt motivate.
If you wait for motivation to do something you shouldn't be asking for critique in the first place because you're never going to do anything consistently nor improve.
>You can write that under 99% of pictures and delete /ic/.
Like I mentioned before, a lot of advice can be given in the way people study. It takes most people a year to even learn how to study/improve themselves to the point they can be the kind of person that even can learn to study properly. If you look at the "Best advice," threads on /ic/ you can see that pretty much all of them fall under as such.
>You need feedback from others and not everyone has the time and motivation to study anatomy perspective and all the other stuff
If you don't have the time to get feedback and improve than why ask for critique? You're not only wasting the limited time you have, you're also wasting time from the people that are trying to help.
>years before drawing the first real picture.
If you're retarded. You can see improvement in just a few months if you actually learn to use critique properly. Also you should be applying what you learn on personal work as much as you can.

>>28999819
that is a nice butt

>>28999819

Cats are good for gryphom anatomy

>>28970740
The issue isn't you needing a stabilizer, it's the speed at which you draw your lines. Drawing slowly will give you less line control. Quick, sweeping motions make for smooth lines. That and practice with your intuos.

Are you using shapes for construction of the character? Or just freehanding it?

>>29000428
http://imgur.com/a/wQ0Aw
a cat is fine too

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>>28978946
Confusion: Furrowed brow, squinting, panic, worry lines
Fear: Widened eyes, constricted pupils, backing/leaning away from the danger

I tried to keep the style you had

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I kind of used an existing piece as reference, but it's my first time in like 3 years drawing pone, let alone coloring it.

Thoughts?

>>28999374
>doesnt motivate.

Yeah man. I draw everyday because I'm motivated everyday.

No, not really. Try again. If you're only drawing when you're motivated you're not going to make it. No one is here is supposed to baby you or coddle you or to tell you, "okay draw this - okay, draw that." No one here is in charge of YOUR progress. If you have people telling you the same shit of, "You suck. Learn anatomy and perspective" then what do you think is wrong with what you're presenting? It means you're making the same fucking mistakes over and over again. You're not showing any kind of competency. This should light a fire up your ass honestly. Personally I was told I was shit so I buckled down and drew a lot and got better. It was really that simple.

>>28941656
>Pg 9

come on now, step up.

>>29000581
lyra

>>29000581
oh dang, i like your lines

artist tag?

>>28999374
>not everyone has the time and motivation
Your motivation for drawing should be that it's fun and you want to make the commitment to get better even if it gets a little difficult sometimes.

If you're not enjoying it AND also don't have time for it, then just do something else. Life is too short to spend time getting better at something that you don't like. Maybe it'll take you years or decades. Is it worth it to you Anon?

>>29000682
The pony you elected is shit, choose another

>>29003662
well... cant argue with that

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This is more of a general question to draw fags, what type of equipment do you use and how can this piece of shit get better. I'm guessing ms paint and mouse can only get you so far.

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>>29004597

I use a wacom intuos small. I think you're doing damn fine for mouse and mspant. You definitely have an eye for great shapes and expression.

I dont know about tablets too much other than what I personally use. I highly recommend moving over to tablet though if you can afford it.

>>29004751
Thx, trying to get into drawing more pones and your help will truly feed my new addiction... thx

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>>29004597
>first mlp drawing
>paint and mouse
Very impressive Anon. The first thing you could fix are her back legs and hooves: they're way too skinny if you compare them too her forelegs. Also try to improve her chin, it's way too large.
>>29004777
Lucky 7. You'll succeed for sure.

>>29004597
now use the curve-line-tool.

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Old doodles.

>>29006890
You need to rely more on circles to shape your heads

>>29007707
I like pony tummies.

>>29007804
the way he does it kinda works with his style tho

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bump

>>29009443

I just got my tablet, fuck off page 9

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Okay, so... first time in here. Hoi folks. Reading and seeing your progress really motivated me. I'll, ah... leave the ugly details what I do, what I have studied and how it came to this out.

What is a fact, is that I made this... and for the life of me, I can't unfuck the head/face.

I don't know why, I don't know how, and I'd love some pointers and help. Yes, I realize the prspective is a bit fucked.

Please assist me, senpai?

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>>29011487
i have no idea wtf i'm doing
we have to wait the senpai to help us
anyway is this on paper?

>>29011613
Nope.

Used to do this on paper until a week ago. I am using ArtRage 3 now, thanks to the unexpected gift of a Bamboo Fun Tablet. I am bumbling along, learning how to use both as I go, while reading through the plethora of guides linked in the OP.

Thank you for outlining how I could've done it better. I guess my problem of being unable to mirror one half of the face to the other shows...

>>29011487

Practice lines
Do the firsts lessons from drawabox (will take you 2 days) and then come back

>>29011638
youre welcome
the circles helps with the face's sides
also use canvas and don't be too slow or fast to draw
you need to do more circles

>>29011654
>>29011666
Roger, roger!

It's the ignition aid I priopably needed. I'm looking forward to learning with you all.

>>29006890
thats cute

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boop before beb

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Also for some anons who dive into Loomis' stuff and get hopelessly confused. Figure drawing picks up after Fun with a Pencil, skim that one before going into figures. It'll help you understand because those old books don't coddle you.

GitGud or Die Tryin'.

>>29002475
kinkypinkie

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bump

>>29014224
Oh no way! Of course i know you, love your stuff boyo <3

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/ic/?

>>29015225
I am by far no expert, but what bothers me at first glance is the neck/ head. Something about it looks off, like it's as thick as the pony's torso...

Then there's the strainge shadow cast onto the right front leg. The other front leg can't be making it, since the angle is off and the hoof end wraps around the bottom left, so where does it come from?

Lasttly, due to the position, the tail looks like it's pushing into the foreground, despite the backside of the character being angled such that the front of the body is closer to the viewer.

I don't know if that's any help, but sometimes having the obvious pointed out can help, right?

>>29015347
that is helpful, actually. i'll work on it, thanks, anon!

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I hope all of you are working on your art. No slacking off, you lazy bunch!

>>29016002

This is extremly important

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>>29016002
dont push

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>>29011613
>>29011654
>>29011666
Progress update. Sort of.

I am still going through the drawabox lessons. I can tell they're immensely helpful to me personally already. Stuff like freehand drawing a clean circle used to be magic to me when I began drawing on my own.

To pass some time and motivate myself further, I drew this when I could spare the time. There's no need for in depth analysis or redlining unless you feel like it! since I did it just for fun instead of it doing it as 'professionally' as I could.

I know what's off, too. Flurry's body is weirdly elongated, the wings and eara are strangely positioned, Chrysalis' eyes and the angle of her face lack proper depth and propably wasted a lot of time trying to make her mane look fuller than it actually should be.

I just wanted to give a heads up that I am still here, still working on my art and still appreciate the support you gave me so far.

>>29018087
keep going senpai
Did you tried to redline your own drawing?
Drawing for fun is the best way to learn.

>>29018488
That's the thing. If I was redlining, I would've corrected the issue already. If I see the mistake and u can find a better angle/shape/composition, it's as good as done.

But oddly enough, the right idea only ever strikes if I'm doodling around on the same thing for a while or if someone else points it out. I suppose my approach is fat too intuitive still. It's why the methodical approach of ghosting kinda blew me away at first.

>>29016002
I really need to keep practicing
but I end up getting discouraged every time I try cause my drawing never look how they do in my mind

>>29019388
I know that problem. Used to drag me down too. I had these... dunno... great visions of grand pictures I wanted to put on paper, but finding out that I couldn't until after a very long time of practice made me lose my drive.

You know... be hapoy. About what you can create. Enjoy what you have drawn, preferably with others and be proud of your accomplishments. Each tiny little step, every idle, silly doddle brings you closer to what you dream of. And if you lose your drive, regain it with other sharing your enthusiasm.

That is learning how to draw.

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Any way I could improve this? Still working on my rear leg anatomy.

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>>29019726
Smoother transitions between joints and sections of the body perhaps, but that's partly an individual choice in artistic interpretation. Also try your best not to copy+paste+flip parts of the body! It helps to draw your character inside a cube to gain a general idea of the perspective.

>>29018087
Its a great ability to see your own mistakes
So we know you wont stagnate

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>>28955060

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Alright, folks. Technique talk.

Pony Muzzles.

From my growing understanding of equus parvus anatomy, their muzzles can mostly be contaiend within a cylinder, giving the nature of their jaw/chin/nose structure. Change the angle of the cylinder, and you have a good grasp where the whole thing goes.

>Pic related
is an example of just how HUGE the variety and possibilities are with equines muzzles, if you practice your artistic crativity. And the artist themselvws said if they looked through their references, they could do even more examples.

So far so good. You estimate what you want your character to look like, pick the style that suits you most and get to it. Ain't no thang.

That's the good... now for the bad.

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>>29021262

If I see like
>pic related
in the show, I start to boggle at just how wide the array of potential expressions on ponies are. Not just their faces, but their body and limbs also. Standing up on their hindlegs, gesturing like humans, prowling like a wolf...

But that's for a different day. Today, it's about muzzles. Without any straight, clear definition of how to keep a somewhat consistent style, PERSONALLY, find it hard to imagine drawing muzzles before hand. Especially if you consider that they merge into the lips and thus form the entire facial expression in ways the human face just doesn't. It's a bit alien to me, and...

...onto the ugly, does anyone have any pointers, preferences, references or general explanations on how they draw, deal with and imagine muzzles when they draw?

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>>29021262
>>29021278
Another example of how the structure of their faces fucks with my perception. Look at the right side of Chrysalis face. It looks like a pony's head, drawn from a side view. But then you add another half of the face beyond the long line going up supposedly simulating the bridge of her nose.

My brain recognizes certain patterns and figures and throws me completely off when I try to finish the drawing. Circles, lines, boxes... it doesn't help if my imagination tries to superimpose something I don't need onto what I am drawing.

Halp?

>>29021262

That sheet isn't even considering the muzzle when you begin doing turn-arounds or at other dynamic angles. Imo it makes a good starting point but not a very good reference sheet.

Personally I work with a more blocky shape for the muzzle that protrudes from the sphere I make for the head (in perspective) and begin rounding the muzzle out as I go along to make it look like it's part of the face. Treat the jawline as it's own thing in most cases, especially with expressions. Remember that the jaw is the only moving part and it's on a hinge.

It took me months to even come close to finding a muzzle shape that I can consistently work with and like (see:>>29004751) and even then I'm constantly breaking it down and experimenting.

>>29019449
>>29019388

You really have to be in this for the long haul. I realized very early that this was going to be a life-time of struggling. I learned not to worry about the end result so much and to look forward to the small victories and gains. The process of learning is going to lead to something much greater.

>>29021328

That muzzle is very stylized, and to be honest it doesn't even look good. I would highly recommend straying away from looking at what other artists do and either just study the show-style or look at real horses. You can look at artists you admire but just be wary that you may be picking up their bad habits.

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>>29021361
>or look at real horses
Yah. That's another thing. You ghave very good anatomical studies of horses, if you look even slightly around the web.

>pic related

The mandible and masseter muscle of the equine head is very, VERY well-defined and then stretches on into the elongated muscle. It makes sense, because well, you can iamgine how everything works in composition.

The problem I have with pony muzzles and jaws is that they just... blend into one large blob that is the pony's head. Maybe I am just not used enough to cartoon physics.