Post Season 6 Episode Ranking #2

For those of you just voting on the first sorter please answer the last questions in the OP like so:

2) 25 M
3) 9/20/11
4) 8
5) 8

Otherwise, an example response for the second sorter would look like this:

1 2x03 Lesson Zero
2 5x12 Amending Fences
3 5x18 Crusaders of the Lost Mark
4 2x04 Luna Eclipsed
5 4x12 Pinkie Pride
6 2x11 Hearth's Warming Eve
7 1x23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
8 1x26 The Best Night Ever
9 2x02 The Return of Harmony - Part 2
10 2x01 The Return of Harmony - Part 1
11 4x26 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 2
12 1x11 Winter Wrap Up
13 2x26 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2
14 6x25 To Where and Back Again Pt. 1
15 4x25 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 1
16 5x02 The Cutie Map - Part 2
17 5x01 The Cutie Map - Part 1
18 4x21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
19 2x25 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1
20 2x18 A Friend in Deed
21 1x14 Suited for Success
22 4x18 Maud Pie
23 5x08 The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone
24 5x14 Canterlot Boutique
25 1x09 Bridle Gossip
26 1x25 Party of One
27 2x09 Sweet and Elite
28 4x02 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 2
29 3x13 Magical Mystery Cure
30 4x01 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 1
31 4x08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
32 2x05 Sisterhooves Social
33 3x06 Sleepless in Ponyville
34 2x14 The Last Roundup
35 2x23 Ponyville Confidential
36 6x06 No Second Prances
37 6x08 A Hearth's Warming Tail
38 6x21 Every Little Thing She Does
39 6x19 The Fault in Our Cutie Marks
40 5x26 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 2
41 5x25 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 1
42 6x24 Top Bolt
43 6x09 The Saddle Row Review
44 1x10 Swarm of the Century
45 1x16 Sonic Rainboom
46 1x08 Look Before You Sleep
47 1x15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
48 5x07 Make New Friends but Keep Discord
49 5x13 Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?
50 4x09 Pinkie Apple Pie
51 4x14 Filli Vanilli
52 5x21 Scare Master
53 6x26 To Where and Back Again Pt. 2
54 5x24 The Mane Attraction
55 6x13 Stranger Than Fan Fiction

>>28812880
56 6x12 Spice Up Your Life
57 6x02 The Crystalling Pt. 2
58 6x01 The Crystalling Pt. 1
59 6x05 Gauntlet of Fire
60 2x15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
61 1x06 Boast Busters
62 1x07 Dragonshy
63 3x04 One Bad Apple
64 3x05 Magic Duel
65 1x19 A Dog and Pony Show
66 2x07 May the Best Pet Win!
67 1x20 Green Isn't Your Colour
68 1x17 Stare Master
69 1x13 Fall Weather Friends
70 1x05 Griffon the Brush-Off
71 6x11 Flutter Brutter
72 5x20 Hearthbreakers
73 3x11 Just for Sidekicks
74 3x02 The Crystal Empire - Part 2
75 3x01 The Crystal Empire - Part 1
76 2x22 Hurricane Fluttershy
77 4x03 Castle Mane-ia
78 1x02 Friendship is Magic - Part 2
79 1x01 Friendship is Magic - Part 1
80 6x18 Buckball Season
81 5x16 Made in Manehattan
82 4x11 Three's A Crowd
83 5x03 Castle Sweet Castle
84 3x07 Wonderbolts Academy
85 4x06 Power Ponies
86 4x07 Bats!
87 2x24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
88 2x19 Putting Your Hoof Down
89 6x16 The Times They Are a Changeling
90 5x15 Rarity Investigates!
91 6x03 The Gift of the Maud Pie
92 6x07 Newbie Dash
93 2x16 Read It and Weep
94 2x20 It's About Time
95 2x21 Dragon Quest
96 3x08 Apple Family Reunion
97 1x22 A Bird in the Hoof
98 2x10 Secret of My Excess
99 3x12 Games Ponies Play
100 4x04 Daring Don't
101 5x22 What About Discord?
102 4x05 Flight to the Finish
103 3x10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
104 5x04 Bloom & Gloom
105 5x05 Tanks for the Memories
106 5x19 The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows
107 6x22 P.P.O.V. (Pony Point of View)
108 6x20 Viva Las Pegasus
109 6x23 Where the Apple Lies
110 4x19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils

111 5x09 Slice of Life
112 4x15 Twilight Time
113 4x10 Rainbow Falls
114 4x22 Trade Ya!
115 5x11 Party Pooped
116 4x16 It Ain't Easy Being Breezies
117 4x23 Inspiration Manifestation
118 2x17 Hearts and Hooves Day
119 3x03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
120 2x06 The Cutie Pox
121 6x15 28 Pranks Later
122 2x13 Baby Cakes
123 2x12 Family Appreciation Day
124 6x17 Dungeons & Discords
125 1x21 Over a Barrel
126 5x06 Appleoosa's Most Wanted
127 4x17 Somepony to Watch Over Me
128 6x14 The Cart Before the Ponies
129 4x20 Leap of Faith
130 1x12 Call of the Cutie
131 1x04 Applebuck Season
132 1x03 The Ticket Master
133 1x18 The Show Stoppers
134 4x13 Simple Ways
135 6x04 On Your Marks
136 5x23 The Hooffields and McColts
137 6x10 Applejack's "Day" Off
138 5x17 Brotherhooves Social
139 4x24 Equestria Games
140 2x08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well
141 1x24 Owl's Well That Ends Well
142 3x09 Spike at Your Service
143 Mx01 Rainbow Rocks
144 Mx02 Friendship Games
145 Mx00 Equestria Girls
146 5x10 Princess Spike
147 Mx03 Legend of Everfree

2) 25 M
3) 9/20/11
4) 8
5) 8

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This is how I'm thinking the final product will look like.
Any kind of comments or suggestions are appreciated if you have them.

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Here's how the past results have looked.

This one was a bit different, but it was the most recent one.

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This is the most recent full survey that I meant to put in the OP. Guess I mixed the filenames up.

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And lastly before I go to sleep for the night this is the combined progress so far with 75 Anons making 14058 votes in the All Our Ideas method and 26 Anons making lists with the traditional sorter.

Keep those lists and votes coming if you have them /mlp/.

>>28812874
You've done this so long, yet you've never posted your own results.

Can you?

>>28812975
See
>>28812880
>>28812882
>>28812887

My example responses are always my personal ranking in these. It may be a shitty onion to some, but it's my onion.

One last thing before I go to bed for real. This google doc is pretty close to the Excel book that I use, so if you're curious what that looks like then here you go:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/142ov_lsOWencO5n_PY6pb6UECkBhAYfKMIruzXjmTOE/edit?usp=sharing

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>>28812891
Well that ranking is pretty much perfect already, might as well just publish it now

>>28812981
>hating dungeons and discords
wow kill yourself anytime, people been asking for years to finally get a male only episode and people like you only shit on it

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>>28813421
Dungeons and Discords was unironically shit, it was a total cringefest and an insult on Discord's character.

If you liked the episode only because it had dudes in it, then you're no better than the average Social Justice Warrior.

>>28813421
I felt that Discord being such a bad sport in the first half was against the spirit of the show and it really rubbed off wrong for me. The last part was pretty good, parsnips for hands was particularly so, but it wasn't enough of that to save it.

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Bump with the age, rating, and optimism charts so far with 30 Anons.
Compared to last time, the average age has gone up by 1.23 years, average rating down 0.71, and average optimism down .75.

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>>28813434
What you didn't like about it? It was consistant with his character.


>>28813870
You mean you are suprised that Discord is really just an insecure guy who has no friends and really doesn't know shit about social interactions and only only know how to talk big because he use his arrogance to hide his frail ego? You know, his original character since ever?

>>28814381
You have a point there, and he is probably more so learning than any other character. That's a side of him I like less than others I suppose. Just doesn't feel right to see any character acting that dickish.

>>28813434
>>28813870
>>28814381
It's an okay episode, but it really feels like a wasted opportunity. At the very least, a lot of the story could have still taken place in the game, as Discord humorously fudges the game for everyone else, but we spend half an episode deciding whether he'll even play and it's just disappointing. Also there's too much Spike, they should have had at least 1 mane cast member in or give Big Mac some spotlight.

>>28814681
If Pinkie and Rainbow had been there the whole time that would've been cool, but I understand them wanting an all male episode for once. Missed an opportunity with no Shining I think, but he's on the other end of Equestria. More time spent in game would've helped it out a ton.

Bump for more votes and lists.

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One of the little things the All Our Ideas method has is this word cloud weighted by score. Apparently episodes with Pinkie or cutie in it have a good chance of turning out well.

>>28813434
>an insult on Discord's character.
>likes Crusaders of the Lost Mark

You just care of what you like, CotLM destroyed DT, she will never appear again because of that damn episode and its your 3° fav episode
>48 5x07 Make New Friends but Keep Discord
Is this a fucking joke? That ep is 100% unfiltered cringe

>>28816635
>You
I'm not OP, you're insulting the wrong person.

>>28816650
I hope you have better taste and dont rate those eps any above Dungeons&Discords

>>28816635
DT not coming back really does suck. I was hoping they'd be able to fit her and SS in after that episode, but it feels like they're not relevant to the staff anymore since they aren't bullying the CMC around. Doesn't mean I dislike the way she was redeemed and all the character building that happened in it though.
As for the other episode I found Discord's jealous antics hilarious and specific stuff like Maud dunking Discord and Twilight trying to hold things together was fun. What specifically was cringe for you?

>>28816669
I loved CotLM, I've been waiting SIX fucking years, watching the CMC grow up. And now that we're getting some serious character development, you're going to argue against that?

Diamond was a bitch and she saw the light, that's a good thing. You're watching My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic, if I have to remind you.
It's not the first time someone gets redeemed, and it doesn't mean she'll disappear forever.

Now as for Make new Friends, it was unfiltered concentrated cringe, I'll give you that.

>>28816635
DT not getting any follow through is not the fault of the episode but of the writers

>>28816635
That Gala episode was actually funny and entertaining for entire 22 minutes, which is hardly ever a thing on this series. It deserve to be in top 10 of every list.

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Bump with the trends so far to >>28812572 with 26 lists made with the traditional sorter.

I'm debating whether to have the traditional sorter's points break up the ties between the two parters or if I should just have each of them be one dot using just the combined points from the two ranking methods.

>>28817082
It's sitting in the middle as far as the ranking currently goes, so I'd say it's reflecting a mixed disposition on average well. The episode more Anons hate less tend to float further up.

Any of you working on a list apart from that one Anon submitting his the day before this ends?

>>28818352
I submitted one in the last thread, now just lurking to see what happens.

>>28817858
anons are morons who vote out of nostalgia rather than enjoyment, this episode was top 3

>>28812874
1 1x11 Winter Wrap Up
2 2x03 Lesson Zero
3 5x18 Crusaders of the Lost Mark
4 2x01 The Return of Harmony - Part 1
5 2x02 The Return of Harmony - Part 2
6 6x09 The Saddle Row Review
7 6x08 A Hearth's Warming Tail
8 4x18 Maud Pie
9 1x10 Swarm of the Century
10 5x12 Amending Fences
11 1x13 Fall Weather Friends
12 1x14 Suited for Success
13 2x04 Luna Eclipsed
14 2x05 Sisterhooves Social
15 3x01 The Crystal Empire - Part 1
16 3x02 The Crystal Empire - Part 2
17 2x15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
18 3x06 Sleepless in Ponyville
19 2x20 It's About Time
20 3x05 Magic Duel
21 6x25 To Where and Back Again Pt. 1
22 6x26 To Where and Back Again Pt. 2
23 1x26 The Best Night Ever
24 1x23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
25 2x09 Sweet and Elite
26 3x07 Wonderbolts Academy
27 2x23 Ponyville Confidential
28 5x08 The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone
29 5x13 Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?
30 5x16 Made in Manehattan
31 5x01 The Cutie Map - Part 1
32 5x02 The Cutie Map - Part 2
33 4x11 Three's A Crowd
34 5x24 The Mane Attraction
35 6x11 Flutter Brutter
36 1x16 Sonic Rainboom
37 2x11 Hearth's Warming Eve
38 6x06 No Second Prances
39 6x13 Stranger Than Fan Fiction
40 6x12 Spice Up Your Life
41 1x08 Look Before You Sleep
42 1x09 Bridle Gossip
43 2x16 Read It and Weep
44 4x08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
45 4x15 Twilight Time
46 2x14 The Last Roundup
47 1x20 Green Isn't Your Colour
48 1x19 A Dog and Pony Show
49 1x12 Call of the Cutie
50 4x06 Power Ponies
51 4x22 Trade Ya!
52 1x15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
53 4x23 Inspiration Manifestation
54 5x20 Hearthbreakers
55 3x13 Magical Mystery Cure
56 4x09 Pinkie Apple Pie
57 4x03 Castle Mane-ia
58 1x01 Friendship is Magic - Part 1
59 1x02 Friendship is Magic - Part 2
60 1x03 The Ticket Master

>>28818882
61 2x07 May the Best Pet Win!
62 4x25 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 1
63 4x26 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 2
64 4x21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
65 4x20 Leap of Faith
66 2x25 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1
67 2x26 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2
68 2x12 Family Appreciation Day
69 2x22 Hurricane Fluttershy
70 2x18 A Friend in Deed
71 2x17 Hearts and Hooves Day
72 3x04 One Bad Apple
73 1x22 A Bird in the Hoof
74 1x25 Party of One
75 1x17 Stare Master
76 6x05 Gauntlet of Fire
77 6x23 Where the Apple Lies
78 5x25 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 1
79 5x26 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 2
80 5x17 Brotherhooves Social
81 5x04 Bloom & Gloom
82 5x07 Make New Friends but Keep Discord
83 4x13 Simple Ways
84 1x18 The Show Stoppers
85 4x12 Pinkie Pride
86 4x10 Rainbow Falls
87 6x14 The Cart Before the Ponies
88 1x07 Dragonshy
89 1x06 Boast Busters
90 2x10 Secret of My Excess
90 3x12 Games Ponies Play
92 6x21 Every Little Thing She Does
93 6x20 Viva Las Pegasus
94 1x04 Applebuck Season
95 1x05 Griffon the Brush-Off
96 6x16 The Times They Are a Changeling
97 4x17 Somepony to Watch Over Me
98 6x03 The Gift of the Maud Pie
99 5x14 Canterlot Boutique
100 6x24 Top Bolt
101 4x19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils
102 3x08 Apple Family Reunion
103 4x01 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 1
104 4x02 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 2
105 4x04 Daring Don't
106 2x19 Putting Your Hoof Down
107 6x18 Buckball Season
108 5x21 Scare Master
109 3x09 Spike at Your Service
110 2x24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
111 2x08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well
112 5x15 Rarity Investigates!
113 4x24 Equestria Games
114 6x04 On Your Marks
115 6x17 Dungeons & Discords
116 5x23 The Hooffields and McColts
117 2x06 The Cutie Pox
118 1x21 Over a Barrel
119 4x05 Flight to the Finish
120 4x07 Bats!

>>28818888
>Although I consider some episodes worse than Equestria Girls, I put them at the bottom just because I don't feel I can fairly compare them to the show

121 5x03 Castle Sweet Castle
122 6x01 The Crystalling Pt. 1
123 6x02 The Crystalling Pt. 2
124 5x22 What About Discord?
125 1x24 Owl's Well That Ends Well
126 4x14 Filli Vanilli
127 4x16 It Ain't Easy Being Breezies
128 3x10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
129 3x11 Just for Sidekicks
130 5x05 Tanks for the Memories
131 5x10 Princess Spike
132 6x07 Newbie Dash
133 5x19 The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows
134 3x03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
135 2x21 Dragon Quest
136 5x09 Slice of Life
137 6x15 28 Pranks Later
138 6x22 P.P.O.V. (Pony Point of View)
139 5x06 Appleoosa's Most Wanted
140 6x19 The Fault in Our Cutie Marks
141 2x13 Baby Cakes
142 6x10 Applejack's "Day" Off
143 5x11 Party Pooped
144 Mx01 Rainbow Rocks
145 Mx00 Equestria Girls
146 Mx03 Legend of Everfree
147 Mx02 Friendship Games

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Bump with the combined changes from last survey so far with 14960 votes from 75 Anons and 26 lists.

>>28818605
I'm sure there are some Anons that vote that way, but they're a part of /mlp/ too so their opinion counts as well as long as it's what they genuinely believe. Who am I to say no to someone just because I don't agree? Led me into some trouble last season till I fixed it, so I'm not taking chances this time around.

>>28818896
Fair enough. You're not the only one to do that.

>>28818896
Also, don't forget the other questions in the OP please.

>>28818908
2. Male, 31
3. Early September, 2011
4. Overall: 8/10. Now: 7/10
5. 7/10

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Average writer ranking so far to >>28818882 with 27 lists from the traditional method.
I'm going to be out for a few hours now, but I'll try and give one more update before I go to sleep.

>>28819024
For all the shit we give Mike Vogel around here, he sure seems to be popular.

>>28819136
He wrote A Hearth's Warming Tail, Spice Up Your Life, Stranger Than Fan Fiction, Every Little Thing She Does, and To Where and Back Again. All of which were received pretty well in the episode threads if I remember correctly.

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>>28816635
>>28816674
>DT not coming back
>implying there isn't going to be an episode dealing with her mom

>>28812874
Doing the remaining questions since I used the website for episodes

2) 21 M
3) November 2015
4) 8
5) 7 (holy shit did the finale changed that a lot)

>>28819754
Changed it a lot in a good or bad way?

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Bump before bed with the gender and join period tables with 32 Anons contributing there.
A bit less interesting than the other charts, but I do like the variety of experience in there. Even if it's weighted more towards pre-S3.

>>28819947
You don't categorize the mid-season hiatuses?

>>28819954
What do you mean? Hiatus 1 is the one between seasons 1 and 2, 2 the one between seasons 2 and 3, and so on.

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>>28819928
A good way. Before then there were a couple of good episodes, but there also were some like Appul's """""Day""""" off. On top of that, the sheer amount of Manehattan like episodes was piling on, replacing the comfy low-fantasy esque feel with muh city SoL crap.

The finale literally fixes all of that. It's like S1 again, with the opener being shit, and finale suddenly being amazing

>>28819959
S5 and S6 were split in two halves with mid-season hiatuses. You're not including those ones as well?

>>28819974
Nah, just the big ones between seasons.

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Bump with the episode ranking so far with the traditional method and 27 lists.

>>28821194
You know you fucked up when your two-parter season opener ends up so low on the rankings it's below an Equestria Girls movie..

>>28821199
Indeed. It's crazy to see a two parter that low. Flurry must've really killed it for Anons.

>>28821194
>Lowest rated opener of all time
>Second highest rated finale of all time
S6 was was a wild ride, was it not?

>>28821228
Though I'm kinda surprised how much lower the second part is. It's mostly because of a Faggot Deer, isn't it?

>>28821234
I'm not too surprised that's the case. Those new forms were nothing short of jarring. Even for Anons who may have eventually grown to be okay with it I bet they still had a wat moment at those at first.

>>28821194
>S6 premiere that far down
Jesus, it wasn't great but it's still decent especially with the B plot, what happened?

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>>28821344

>>28819024
>Faust second
>above Confalone and Rogers
>above McCarthy
What the actual fuck?

>>28821359
Yeah, but that doesn't bring down the great character interaction of the Starlight/Sunburst part. Also I don't think her introduction was that bad since it can be argued that no other alicorn in Equestria probably ever had a foal before, although I guess that's not that relevant to the rating and most people probably see red as soon as they see two wings and a horn.

Honestly, I think the S6 premiere belongs more or less a bit below the S1 premiere, that one was overall mostly average compared to this one's below average A plot and good-to-great B plot.

>>28821373
Her spot on the combined ranking so far >>28812908 is more sensible to me.
In the traditional ranking so far her two episodes, opener counts as one, are 24th and 78th. On the All Our Ideas ranking they're 51st and 69th.

>>28818901
Do you at least checking if someone doesn't do double posts? It can be easily messed up by copying the same list twice and changing just one or two episodes

>>28821215
The only reason I didn't have it near the very bottom was because the Starlight/Sunburst scenes were somewhat interesting.

>>28821477
Yes. I have a formula I use to check and make sure no list matches another in too many places.

>>28821497
Same reason for me too. I liked the two of them and Spike, and Flurry didn't bother me too too much to kill the rest of it.

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>>28821443
>the great character interaction of the Starlight/Sunburst part
Well, considering how many people are shim shammed by Glim Glam, you can easily see why that episode would have no redeeming qualities for them

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>>28821443
Part of the reason i hated it was that it provided a perfect opportunity for the Celestia and Luna to give us some more Alicorn Lore but haber obviously didn't read any supplementary material so he decided to give us nothing and make Celestia and Luna useless. That and it ended up being a worse version of baby cakes. The B plot was decent but I hated the A so much that it brings everything down

>>28821731
The alicorn lore part was definitely not handled very well, however I actually am fine with the idea that no alicorn ever had a foal with a non-alicorn, although if that's what they were going for the dialogue for that scene was written really badly (which it was anyways). I just don't think the A plot was horrible, just below average. I also liked than it was more low-key than other two-parters, which is something some people have been hoping for for a while (and the S5 premiere did it pretty well, although I suppose it's debatable whether that really counts as low-key), but as said the execution wasn't that great.

I see the comparison to Baby Cakes, but strangely enough it didn't bother me that much. Maybe because it makes more sense for an alicorn.

I guess I understand why people dislike it, just not why people dislike it that much. I've actually got a similar feeling about 28 Pranks Later, because I felt that the characters besides Dash were really well written in that episode and the issue was actually more legitimate this time and they tried to talk her out of it first. Also they finally did something with the pranking which pretty much only happened in Griffon the Brush-Off before that.

>>28821857
Fair enough. The thing is that Amy Keating Rogers wrote a book about Celestia and Luna and detailed that they had been born and raised in an alicorn city by other alicorns and Flurry Heart provided a great opportunity for them to reference that. Someone got on Haber's case about it and he admitted he had not read it which made a lot of people mad.

I don't think 28 Pranks Later is terrible, just that it feels like an 11 minute ep stretched to 22.

I'm going to be out for a few hours, so keep those lists and votes coming if you have them /mlp/.

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>>28821946
>Amy Keating Rogers wrote a book about Celestia and Luna and detailed that they had been born and raised in an alicorn city by other alicorns

What's the >canon status of that? I know that The Journal of Two Sisters is as "real" as it can get, but this is a completely different thing

>>28822022
it is from The Journal of Two Sisters

>>28822082
Ah, I forgot that bit then. Then that faggot wrote a Princess relevant episode without reading the Journal?

>>28821946
Ah yes, that would have been a thing they could've referenced, although it doesn't precisely contradict it either since only one parent is an alicorn. However it's not show canon even if it's close so him not reading it isn't that bad, I doubt everyone here has read it (I haven't yet for one).

>I don't think 28 Pranks Later is terrible, just that it feels like an 11 minute ep stretched to 22.
That actually makes sense, I hadn't thought about that. It's not as obvious as with Applejack's "Day" Off, but it definitely feels a bit stretched.

>>28822195
The journal technically isn't canon just like the chapter books, the comics, and EqG, but many see it as the most close to canon book that has been written. I do recall people saying that it has some not so great things too, though.

Anyways, the point is that faulting him for not reading and using material from the journal is like faulting the writers for not reading and using material from the comics, so I wouldn't do that. The journal may be good and referencing what it says about alicorn procreation wouldn't have done any harm, but it's not a necessity.

>>28822195
I'd bet most of the staff haven't read those books.

>>28822277
>>28822278
The thing is that the book went through Meghan who was story editor at the time AND Lauren Faust which lends itself some pretty hefty weight. Sure the show takes precedence in regards to canonicity but the fact that Haber didn't bother with it is kind of worrying.

>>28822338
I don't remember it going through Faust, do you have a source for that?

Again, as far as I can tell the episode doesn't directly contradict the journal and just because it's as close to canon as can be doesn't mean it has to be treated differently than all the other non-show material. Sure, it could've made for a nice reference and Haber would look good for it, but to go from there to calling it "worrying" that he doesn't read the non-show material is a bit of a stretch. It's not ideal, but it's not that bad either.

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>>28821731
I mostly just hated it because of focusing entire two parter on a shitty toy. I work at Amazon and i see this abomination everywhere,

At least i hope they will replace the old baby toys with Pinkie being regressed to a newborn baby and always saying shit whenever you get close to it. Its very annoying when it happen every 5 minutes.

>>28822195
Its written by Rogers and co written by Faust and approved by McCarthy. It can't be less canon than the show. 2017 Movie is based on it.

>>28822407
CANON
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GydX9WE2bws

>>28813421
>Wow you should support something that prominently features an underrepresented gender regardless of its quality
Thanks Lauren Faust.

>>28823097
Flurry Heart looks like she popped straight out of another show. I hope they have a time-skip or something so I won't have to look at it again.

>>28823128
Thanks.

>>28823393
It was well written and fresh concept. I would kill myself if it was the 99th episode with mane6 acting like retards for 22 minutes. Hopefully we will get more of boy focused episodes in the future.

>>28822407
Haber is an asshole who wing this entire adventure with MLP. Now he is leaving for another show to fuck it up like he did with FiM and EGQ. I would rather take this book as canon while completely reject the canonicity of his episodes. Just because you let a moron draw a mustache on Mona Lisa painting, doesn't magically make him an artist and Mona Lisa a man.

>>28812874
2. 20, M
3. Spring, 2012
4. 8
5. 4

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>>28816714
>Twilight not getting any better is not fault of MMC but the writers

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>>28825186
Um, yes?

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Bump with the combined episode ranking so far with 75 Anons making 15350 votes in the All Our Idea method and 27 Anons making a list.

I was curious what the best and worst of each season is according to the data so far, so the best and worst of each season is highlighted.

>>28825908
That should say bump before bed actually. Sorry about that.
I'll try and give another update before I leave for work tomorrow.

>>28816635

Hey bud, that's not the only thing wrong with the episode. They completely fucked foreshadowing and buildup of their actual cutie marks to instead go a different route that they could have even kept after giving them their real marks. What they did with Babs and the CMC (her still being part of the club to help others) should have been what they did with the core CMC. It would have shown that even if your life isn't dedicated to helping others, you can still pitch in and give guidance and your experiences to others going through the same struggles. They had the CMC done well and strung us along for years just to throw it in our faces.

>>28825186
MMC is just one episode giving an origin. It didn't permanently kill her character.

>>28827302
>MMC didn't permanently kill her character.
https://youtu.be/mbgrSdRs9bQ

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I'm somewhat surprised that The Cart Before Ponies is this low. Was it this hated on in the thread? I honestly didn't pay much attention to it, as I focused sorely on GIDDY UP being canon. Oh, and Cheerlieder.

>>28827457
All around it was pretty bad, the episode was entirely predictable and kinda boring after the first 5 minutes.
GIDDY UP saves it, but it's still not memorable.

>>28825696
>>28827302
Writers knew what they were doing when making MMC
Even /mlp/ predicted the consequences of alicorn Twi and they kept pushing the idea
>>28827302
See>>28827443

>>28816674
>character building that happened
More like character assassination imo

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>>28816635
Your opinions are bad.

Thanks for keeping this alive while I'm stuck away from my computer.
I'm having issues getting to it from this new workplace.

>>28827886
I don't think the writers really care about /mlp/.

I think I'll try and get the character average chart updated and post that next. I'm curious where Starlight will fit into that.

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I took a lot of this from the last list I made with the central characters per episode, but here's my first pass at season 6.

Anything there seem too farfetched? Season 6 or otherwise?

>>28831983
I feel like MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMystery on the Friendship Express should be PP + TS and Simple Ways should be RA + AJ.

>>28832021
For both of those the main conflict involved just that character, and I think that's the logic I tried to follow with the first 5 seasons. Of course now that I remembered that I'm going to have to change S6 around.

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Bump before bed with the combined average episode ranking by central character. I fixed the table up for who qualifies as central based on the logic of who the main conflict revolves around, but if you have any suggestions then feel free to say something.
I don't think this particular result will go over very well.

>>28832048
Okay

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>>28831983
Owl's Well could probably be SP + TS
Return of Harmony, like FiM, M6 + TS
Keep Calm and Flutter On should be FS + DS
Sleepless has SL and I am not sure what that means, siblings? Flight to the Finish should just be CMC or CMC + RD though.
Simple Ways definitely RA + AJ
Twilight Time is CMC + TS
Breezies FS + M6 since they all take part
Somepony to Babysit Me is AB + AJ because it explores the whole relationship between them and the same with For Whom the Sweetie Belle Tolls
>The Cute Map
Mac should be added in Brotherhooves Social
And the rest you already know.

>>28832303
>Sleepless has SL and I am not sure what that means
Obviously Scootaloo, you dope.

>>28832303
I'll take a closer look at that tomorrow. Hopefully after I wake up.
Thanks for taking the time to look through all of those.

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>>28832316
Oh right Scootaloo is a horse that exists.
>>28832321
You're welcome, sleep tight.

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>>28832264
>Spike over Flutters and AJ

>>28832303
>Flight to the Finish should just be CMC or CMC + RD though.
I'm not sure if "CMC" is counted separately from the individuals, but if it is then Scoots should be included because it's primarily her struggle.
>Breezies FS + M6 since they all take part
I don't agree. Fluttershy has the main struggle and main interaction throughout the entire episode. The others aren't really engaged with the conflict or plot and don't offer significant enough insight.

>>28831983
Feel free to ignore any of these

>Swarm of the Century
I would add Pinkie
>The Cutie Mark Chronicles
remove CMC, they just a sit in for the audience to be told the stories ABOUT the m6
>Luna Eclipsed
been awhile so feel free to ignore this but I don't remember TS having a huge focus
>The Last Roundup
I would add M6 seems the majority of the ep is focused on their experiences
>Dragon Quest
Again, been awhile since I've seen it but I feel Rarity and Twilight should be added because the ep focuses on Spike's relationship with ponies, generally through Rarara and Twiggles
>Hurricane Fluttershy
I think I would add Dash because it's also about her growth as a leader
>Spike at Your Service
I think AJ should be added because of her active role in the latter half.
>Scare Master
I would add M6
>Buckball Season
Why no FS or PP?
>P.P.O.V
I would add AJ, RA, and PP because it's about their misunderstanding

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>>28832303
>>28833580
>>28833702
I took the suggestions that I thought fit with the central focus per episode and fixed the numbers since they didn't line up right with the episodes, RoH in >>28832264 didn't have the most points for example, so this is how that turned out after tweaking it. Thanks for your input.
Again, any feedback is appreciated.

Think I should include this in the main chart, or is it too subjective because I have to try and pick who the central characters are for each episode?

>>28834740
Dungeons and Discords i mostly a Discord episode. Spike and Big Mac are there to provide support, but the POV and lesson is from his perspective.

>>28834830
And if Spike does count then Crystal EMpire should be TS+SK too

>>28834830
>>28834833
I mostly just jumped through individual episodes to try and remember who had the focus, so I'll look at those two more closely after I get home from work or if I get a good enough break to check.

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>>28834740
BEST PONY

>>28834740
I fee like Return of Harmony is just a Discord episode only because that people love it because of him. No one give a fuck about Twilight in that episode

>>28834938
This

>>28834938
Twilight and the main 6 are still the focus though. By that logic I should just put Chrysalis as the character for A Canterlot Wedding.

>>28834740
>Think I should include this in the main chart, or is it too subjective because I have to try and pick who the central characters are for each episode?
I think you shouldn't. Unlike the other rankings in the chart, this doesn't have an obvious "meaning". I mean, compare it to the writers ranking, watching that ranking it's pretty clear than most people would prefer to have more episodes written by M.A. Larson over episodes written by Dusedau. But, what does this chart mean? That people don't want to see Fluttershy or Spike? I don't know, it definitely is interesting, but it's more anecdotic than serious statistics like the rest of the main chart, and I think that it doesn't make much sense to include it.
Not to mention that, as you say, picking the central characters is subjective, specially considering that most episodes are shared, and not every pony in the episode has the same importance.

>>28831983

Besides what others have said:

Friendship is magic should be just TS. She is the one that learns the lesson. The 6 are no more important there than any of the other openers.

Bats! should be AJ + FS. Those are the two in conflict.

Do Princesses Dream should be just LU.

Villains should be included in their reformation episode. DS in Keep Calm. ST in Cutie Remark. Diamond Tiara in Crusaders of the Lost Mark.

SP isn't important to The Crystalling.

On Your Marks should be AB. The episode is her viewpoint.

Applejack's "Day" Off should be just AJ.

28 Pranks should be RD + PP.

Where the Apple Lies should be AJ + BM. Mac got enough development to be considered a focus.

>>28835164
Alright, I'll keep it on the side then since I was think that too. It's fun enough to try and pick what character qualifies as central and then seeing how they stack up with each other anyway.

bumparoo

>>28835207
I'll take a look at that when I get home.

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>131 posts
>29 posters

YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS GET IN HERE

arise

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Bump with the combined season rankings so far with 15865 votes and 27 lists.

Sorry I've been so dead lately. Last night and the posting issues afterwards kept me off till now.
I'll probably be dead till tonight too with how long I was awake last night, so keep the lists and votes coming and I'll update when I can. Thanks for keeping the thread alive as well.

boop

ay come on don't die

Any of you working on lists?
Votes are really slow right now, so there's not much to update till more lists come in or there are new Anons voting in the other method.

This thread was grabbed by the pussy

Using all our ideas again.

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Bump before work with the combined episode ranking so far with 27 lists and 17097 votes from 75 Anons.

>>28847492
Giving this an actual look this time and it's really throwing me off. Wasn't Pinkie Pride top 5 last season?
Also, some of the huge disparity in rankings between sorters is interesting.

>>28848311
>Also, some of the huge disparity in rankings between sorters is interesting.
Probably due to some people voting more than others in the AOI version, while in the traditional lists everyone's opinions count equally. Also maybe different types of people choose different voting methods.

>>28848311
This Anon >>28848353 is correct. To make everyone count as equally as possible between the two methods it's weighted depending on the number of Anons participating in each.

>>28812874
1 2x02 The Return of Harmony - Part 2
2 2x01 The Return of Harmony - Part 1
3 1x01 Friendship is Magic - Part 1
4 3x05 Magic Duel
5 1x09 Bridle Gossip
6 5x01 The Cutie Map - Part 1
7 5x02 The Cutie Map - Part 2
8 1x23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
9 1x12 Call of the Cutie
10 1x03 The Ticket Master
11 1x10 Swarm of the Century
12 6x18 Buckball Season
13 1x11 Winter Wrap Up
14 2x15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
15 2x22 Hurricane Fluttershy
16 4x14 Filli Vanilli
17 1x07 Dragonshy
18 1x15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
19 5x18 Crusaders of the Lost Mark
20 5x25 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 1
21 5x26 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 2
22 1x08 Look Before You Sleep
23 6x05 Gauntlet of Fire
24 6x24 Top Bolt
25 2x23 Ponyville Confidential
26 1x20 Green Isn't Your Colour
27 2x05 Sisterhooves Social
28 2x09 Sweet and Elite
29 1x25 Party of One
30 1x13 Fall Weather Friends
31 1x17 Stare Master
32 1x18 The Show Stoppers
33 2x06 The Cutie Pox
34 6x04 On Your Marks
35 3x06 Sleepless in Ponyville
36 4x05 Flight to the Finish
37 2x26 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2
38 2x25 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1
39 5x04 Bloom & Gloom
40 6x10 Applejack's "Day" Off
41 6x13 Stranger Than Fan Fiction
42 1x04 Applebuck Season
43 1x05 Griffon the Brush-Off
44 1x14 Suited for Success
45 1x16 Sonic Rainboom
46 1x22 A Bird in the Hoof
47 1x26 The Best Night Ever
48 2x19 Putting Your Hoof Down
49 2x20 It's About Time
50 3x03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
51 4x08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
52 3x11 Just for Sidekicks
53 3x13 Magical Mystery Cure
54 4x20 Leap of Faith
55 5x13 Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?
56 5x24 The Mane Attraction
57 6x03 The Gift of the Maud Pie
58 6x08 A Hearth's Warming Tail
59 6x17 Dungeons & Discords
60 6x20 Viva Las Pegasus

>>28849118
61 5x12 Amending Fences
62 6x09 The Saddle Row Review
63 2x16 Read It and Weep
64 2x17 Hearts and Hooves Day
65 2x21 Dragon Quest
66 4x03 Castle Mane-ia
67 4x15 Twilight Time
68 5x06 Appleoosa's Most Wanted
69 5x16 Made in Manehattan
70 6x07 Newbie Dash
71 1x02 Friendship is Magic - Part 2
72 5x11 Party Pooped
73 5x08 The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone
74 2x12 Family Appreciation Day
75 2x24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
76 4x07 Bats!
77 4x18 Maud Pie
78 6x11 Flutter Brutter
79 6x15 28 Pranks Later
80 6x19 The Fault in Our Cutie Marks
81 6x21 Every Little Thing She Does
82 6x23 Where the Apple Lies
83 6x25 To Where and Back Again Pt. 1
84 6x26 To Where and Back Again Pt. 2
85 Mx02 Friendship Games
86 2x14 The Last Roundup
87 3x01 The Crystal Empire - Part 1
88 3x02 The Crystal Empire - Part 2
89 4x19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils
90 4x23 Inspiration Manifestation
91 2x11 Hearth's Warming Eve
92 Mx01 Rainbow Rocks
93 3x04 One Bad Apple
94 3x07 Wonderbolts Academy
95 5x15 Rarity Investigates!
96 2x04 Luna Eclipsed
97 1x21 Over a Barrel
98 5x10 Princess Spike
99 4x10 Rainbow Falls
100 5x03 Castle Sweet Castle
101 5x14 Canterlot Boutique
102 5x23 The Hooffields and McColts
103 6x06 No Second Prances
104 5x20 Hearthbreakers
105 5x09 Slice of Life
106 3x10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
107 3x12 Games Ponies Play
108 4x01 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 1
109 4x02 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 2
110 4x04 Daring Don't
111 4x06 Power Ponies
112 4x09 Pinkie Apple Pie
113 6x12 Spice Up Your Life
114 3x08 Apple Family Reunion
115 4x16 It Ain't Easy Being Breezies
116 4x22 Trade Ya!
117 4x24 Equestria Games
118 4x25 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 1
119 4x26 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 2
120 4x17 Somepony to Watch Over Me

>>28849124
121 1x06 Boast Busters
122 1x19 A Dog and Pony Show
123 2x07 May the Best Pet Win!
124 6x14 The Cart Before the Ponies
125 5x21 Scare Master
126 6x01 The Crystalling Pt. 1
127 6x02 The Crystalling Pt. 2
128 6x16 The Times They Are a Changeling
129 Mx03 Legend of Everfree
130 5x22 What About Discord?
131 4x21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
132 4x11 Three's A Crowd
133 5x07 Make New Friends but Keep Discord
134 5x19 The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows
135 2x10 Secret of My Excess
136 6x22 P.P.O.V. (Pony Point of View)
137 2x03 Lesson Zero
138 2x18 A Friend in Deed
139 4x12 Pinkie Pride
140 5x17 Brotherhooves Social
141 2x13 Baby Cakes
142 Mx00 Equestria Girls
143 1x24 Owl's Well That Ends Well
144 2x08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well
145 5x05 Tanks for the Memories
146 4x13 Simple Ways
147 3x09 Spike at Your Service

>>28849130
2) 27, male
3) December 2010
4) 6
5) 5

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Bump with the combined episode ranking chart so far with 75 Anons voting 18074 times and 28 Anons to >>28849118 contributing lists.
Thanks again for keeping the thread alive while I'm busy elsewhere, at work, or asleep Anons.

>>28849799
Thank you for going through this effort after every season, OP.

>>28849941
No problem. I'm just glad Anons still care enough to participate after all these years.

>>28849799
Can I get an explanation for idiots why Princess Spike sits at 0 combined rating points when it's not being ranked last in every list?

>>28851153
See >>28847492. Adding up all the votes and lists it's sitting at the bottom of both rankings when the numbers are crunched.

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Bump before bed with the combined season averages so far with the same stats as >>28849799.
S1 and S2 just seem to be pulling further and further away.

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One last bump from me.

>>28854699
Thanks Anon.

Any other stats you Anons think would be interesting to see worked out?

>>28855700
I'd be curious to see a graph for the average age, since you have the data.
I wonder if we're getting older, that would be a signal that the show is not attracting new fans.

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>>28855730
So far compared to the last full survey >>28812896 and with 34 Anons, 33 for the optimism result, the average age has gone up 1.38 years to 23.68 the average rating down .71 points to 7.50/10, and the average optimism down .85 points to 6.45/10.

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>>28856052
Yep, that looks pretty bleak!

Just for the sake of curiosity, do you have the averages of these three over the last 6 seasons?

>>28856069
I've got all but the first two of them since another group of Anons put those together. Give me some time to get them all for you.

>>28856128
Thanks, much appreciated

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>>28856069
>>28856133
Those first two were actually just the show ratings and nothing else, so there's not data on the age unfortunately. I've got the last 4 I've done here though. Sorry I couldn't have more.

>>28856260
And by show ratings I meant episode rankings.

>>28856260
>>28856262
Thanks a bunch!
I'm happy to see the ratings are relatively stable, hopefully S6 is just a temporary dip like S3 was perceived at the time, and not the start of things going downhill.

Personally I liked S6, it had some great episodes and some great songs, but I feel like things have been declining a little bit.

>>28856275
No problem Anon. I liked 10 of the 24, if two parters are one, episodes of the season. Starlight felt great to me despite the amount of hate around her here, and there were still chances for all the main 6 to shine. Things may have declined a bit, but I'm still enjoying myself greatly with pony. Hopefully there's better to come with S7 and the movie.

Bump before bed. Keep the lists working if you're making them or votes coming. Still two weeks left.

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Page 10 again.

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Spike really got helped out by season 6. I think he was last before.

>>28859972
Boop.

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>>28860185
Best princess confirmed.

>>28860185
Spike is pretty great.

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>>28861966
His episodes hadn't been before season 6 though. Starlight being high up when a vocal part of /mlp/ hates her so much was interesting for me too.

In case anyone is curious. The average distance of the combined ranking from the All Our Ideas ranking is 4.64 compared to the 12.74 from the traditional method. Makes sense to me considering there's about 3 times as many Anons in the All Our Ideas method.

>>28862838
Secret of My Excess and Inspiration Manifestation were good.

>>28863951
Princess Spike and Spike at your Service were pretty abysmal though, or at least it was as far as average opinion went at 137th and 135th respectively as of right now out of 137. Gauntlet of Fire and Dungeons and Discord are 18th and 44th respectively and the ones you mentioned are 24th and 40th respectively, so I'll concede those were good.
I think it took a few more good ones from this season to help drag him up from those depths his bad episodes dragged him into.

>>28863995
I never quite understood why so many people hate Pricess Spike so much. I agree that it was a rather poor episode that punished Spike for nothing, but I can't see it anywhere near the horrendous SAYS. I know it's a buzzword, but that episode was just pure cringe all the way through.

>>28813421
I never asked for a male only episode. Why would I watch My Little Pony for males?

>>28864028
People are tired of Spike being the punching bag in his own episodes.

>>28865021
Understandable, but is that really the only reason they rate this episode so poorly? It wasn't nearly as bad as SAYS imho.

>>28865038
That's why it ended up last to me. Even if sleepy Twilight was adorable.

Looks like Reddit is doing their episode survey too right now. Be interesting to see how that one compares since they're at 40k votes right now.

Bump before beb. Keep the opinions coming if you have them /mlp/.

Hey, funny you brought that up right when I was popping over. Y'ello. This is Unknownlight from the Reddit ranking. I'm looking forward to seeing how the results differ once both rankings are complete (Reddit's ends on Monday, I'm not sure how long you guys will be doing yours).

One thing though is that I have my own list of character episodes which I'm sure is completely different from yours in a lot of places. It'd be a lot easier to compare our results if we had the character labeling the same. Tomorrow, when I'm less tired and lazy, I'll probably go through and find the inconsistencies. For now though, here's my list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eVXSndfg8j44tlBEii4rnuah1FzBPIemPpMeAQOzzRI/edit#gid=1831618772

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I'm surprised how many more votes Reddlt got, even though this board seems to move faster.

There's thousands of faggots browsing the catalog at any given time, and we can barely get 100 anons to vote over two weeks.
Maybe the OP needs to be more "attractive" or something.

>>28866242
>Maybe the OP needs to be more "attractive" or something.
Any ideas on how to do that?

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>>28866332
Maybe instead of "Post Season 6 Episode Ranking #2" and a wall of text, make it a call to action like "RATE THE SEASON6 EPISODES" or something.

Also the OP pic is practically invisible with the Yotsuba B theme, and it's a huge pile of data, not very catchy for a OP pic.
I'm not saying use picrelated, but maybe something prettier?

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>>28866332
>>28866343

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>>28866386

>>28866343
I could do that and use a Twilight with a clipboard or something for next thread to see if it helps.

>>28865497
I'm planning on a month from the first thread to end this, November 28th, since I want to give Anons time to make a list with the traditional list maker that needs 850+ battles to make one this time around.
I'll make a separate table with your central character list and see how it compares since I'm curious what that will do.

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>>28865497
>>28866557
Maybe I went a little overboard showing the differences, but this is what the difference in my numbers looks like so far between my list and using yours.

>>28866848
Also, the list on the right is mine compared to yours. So for example mine has The Crystalling for Twilight while yours doesn't.

>>28866242
>There's thousands of faggots browsing the catalog at any given time.
Boy, we've been dying since early 2013. They're all gone, and the few that return never stay

>>28867150
People though the ride would end suddenly at the end of a season, but it's just going to die out sowly and nobody will notice when it's gone..

>>28866848
Oh, no wonder our lists are more similar than I thought they would be. You used last year's Reddit list as a baseline. Well, that's helpful.

Okay, so here's what I agree with:

Return of Harmony: +M6 (I think my thought process at the time was that they spend most of the episode Discorded, but it probably should still count.

The Last Roundup: +M6

Scare Master: +M6 ... I'm PRETTY sure you meant Scare Master, not Stare Master, which would make no sense.

Here's what I disagree with:

The Crystalling: I'm not sure why you labeled this a Twilight episode. She doesn't really... do anything. Technically she learns the lesson, kind of, maybe.

No Second Prances: More understandable than The Crystalling, but I still wouldn't say it's a Twilight episode. The episode is structured with Starlight as the protagonist, being pulled in two different directions by Twilight and Trixie. It's a Starlight episode.

Buckball Season: I suppose my philosophy here is that character focus doesn't refer to which characters appear the most often in an episode, but rather which characters the episode is ABOUT. Case in point, I have this labelled PP + FS, while you also include AJ and RD. I would argue that the episode isn't about those two. They're basically the antagonists who Pinkie and Fluttershy have to overcome.

Simple Ways: I guess this is another example, although I'm uncertain about this one. I have this as a pure Rarity episode, while you also include Applejack. I would argue that Applejack is just a plot device in an episode focused on Rarity, but that's definitely debatable.

Owl's Well That Ends Well: Same thing for the same reason. You include Twilight, I don't.

PPOV: This is a tricky one. I eventually called it a Mane 6 episode (even though two of the Mane 6 are missing) because in the end that's how the episode is structured. It's an ensemble episode, it's not really about Twilight or Spike or Applejack or Rarity or Pinkie Pie individually.

Sonic Rainboom: I actually originally labeled this a pure Rainbow Dash episode, but I got so many complaints about it last year that I added Rarity for this year's.

The Saddle Row Review: I have this as RA + M6, you have it as just M6. I view this as a Rarity episode with the Mane 6 as supporting cast, similar to how an episode like Dragonshy is a Fluttershy episode with Mane 6 supporting cast.

>>28867880
>>28867894
That's a lot of explanation. I'll take a look at it when I get home in a few hours.

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>>28867561
Both the show and fandom should have been destroyed then.

>>28867880
>>28867894
My philosophy with these is to look for who is involved in the central conflict of an episode and pick based on that. Crystalling was a conflict involving Twilight making the spell work and Starlight fixing things up with Sunburst. No Second Prances was Twilight worried about being a good teacher to Starlight in front of Celestia while Starlight was worried about whether Trixie was an actual friend or not. Buckball Season was RD and AJ pushing PP and FS around with the two sets having their own worries. All independent of Twilight and Rarity, so no M6. Applejack would've been excluded from Simple Ways, but she's a central element of the conflict there and gets dragged in. Owl's I had to watch again, but she did play a good part in the conflict. For PPOV I don't want to call something a M6 unless they work as a team or it involves all of them, so I kept it to those 4. Rainboom is a RD conflict, but I can understand pressure from within to have it changed. Saddle Row Review is definitely a Rarity and M6 focus now that I paged through it again, also I nearly died seeing how cute and adorable Twilight was in that one again so I changed that.

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>>28868669
Yeah, I suppose that's a good enough argument for Twilight's inclusion in No Second Prances. Also, without it the only episode Twi has in S6 is Top Bolt. I'm including her.

I think the difference between our stances is that you include all characters that are involved in the conflict, while I'm more conservative only want to list the characters that the conflict is "about".

Simple Ways is a good example: I don't think it should be an Applejack episode. The conflict isn't about her. Like you said, she's just dragged into it. She's a plot device.

Owl's Well is the same thing. Twilight's involved in the conflict, but it's not her story. It's Spike's.

I also don't think the Crystalling should be a Twilight episode. It's not just Twilight looking for that spell, it's all of the Mane 6. And their entire story is just to fill time because the solutions all come from Starlight's story. I could be convinced of "SG + M6", but not "SG + TS".

I think the reason I'm so wary of including Applejack and Rainbow in Buckball Season is because including all of them just turns it into a list of characters that appear in the episode, rather than a focused look at who the episode is actually about. When it comes down to it, I see Buckball Season as a Fluttershy/Pinkie episode where Applejack and Rainbow are the obstacle that they have to overcome. You could argue this both ways though.

Finally, PPOV. I totally admit that I'm cheating here, I just don't like any other label. Including everyone just turns it into a list of characters the appear in the episode, but no character has enough focus to say that the episode is about them. In the end, I feel that structure-wise it has the most in common with episodes like Hearth's Warming Eve, so I went with M6 even though it's technically inaccurate.

Thanks for chatting! We're pretty close already so we don't have to get things perfectly in-sync. It's an interesting discussion regardless.

>>28870435
>without it the only episode Twi has in S6 is Top Bolt.
Fuck, Starlight really did replace her. I'm mad.

>>28870522
Since Season 3, if you don't include the premieres, finales, or Discord episodes then it's pretty in-line with Twilight's average.

Season 3: Magic Duel

Season 4: Testing Testing 1, 2, 3

Season 5: Amending Fences, The Hooffields and McColts

Season 6: No Second Prances, Top Bolt

As a fan of Twilight episodes, I'm always annoyed when people complain that Twilight gets too much screentime because she actually very rarely gets normal focus episodes. I don't like the way the writers have handled her.

If I weren't busy today and tomorrow I'd be going more in depth.
>>28870435
Minor differences aside, we are pretty much in sync. I like the discussion as well, so it's all good.

>>28870522
>>28870790
I'm thinking the writers are starting to find a groove for Twilight with that teacher vibe. Her recent princess book had better stuff for her compared to most of this last season to me though. It's worth the read if you haven't sampled it.

>>28870790
>Since Season 3, if you don't include the premieres, finales, or Discord episodes then it's pretty in-line with Twilight's average.
Yeah but that was okay because she got most of the premieres and finales, almost all of which were two-parters. Not so in season 6. Also, why wouldn't you count Discord episodes (I think the only Twilight + Discord episode is Three's a Crowd, right?)?

>>28870790
>>28870854
To add to this, the only non-premiere/finale Twilight episodes in season 2 are Lesson Zero, Luna Eclipsed and It's About Time and I think Luna Eclipsed is questionable by your standards. Season 1 was the only time she dominated the show but it feels like season 6 has squeezed her out of the picture in a way no other season has.

>>28870854
"Three's a Crowd" and "What About Discord?"

The reason I excluded them is because they're essentially Discord episodes, not Twilight episodes. The point of my post is that Twi doesn't get many "normal" episodes, which other characters get plenty of.

>>28870916
>they're essentially Discord episodes, not Twilight episodes
I mean, kind of. But the plots still focus on Twilight.

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2) 25, male
3) 11/1/2014
4) 9
5) 8

Bump before work. Keep the votes/lists coming /mlp/.

Rank Episode
1 5x12 Amending Fences
1 5x18 Crusaders of the Lost Mark
3 1x23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
4 5x09 Slice of Life
5 4x26 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 2
6 6x08 A Hearth's Warming Tail
6 6x09 The Saddle Row Review
8 5x02 The Cutie Map - Part 2
9 5x01 The Cutie Map - Part 1
10 4x25 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 1
11 2x26 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2
12 2x25 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1
13 3x06 Sleepless in Ponyville
14 1x13 Fall Weather Friends
15 5x26 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 2
16 3x13 Magical Mystery Cure
17 2x02 The Return of Harmony - Part 2
18 2x01 The Return of Harmony - Part 1
19 6x24 Top Bolt
20 4x03 Castle Mane-ia
21 5x24 The Mane Attraction
22 5x25 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 1
23 1x02 Friendship is Magic - Part 2
24 1x01 Friendship is Magic - Part 1
25 6x25 To Where and Back Again Pt. 1
26 6x26 To Where and Back Again Pt. 2
27 5x15 Rarity Investigates!
28 5x17 Brotherhooves Social
29 2x11 Hearth's Warming Eve
30 2x09 Sweet and Elite
31 6x06 No Second Prances
32 1x25 Party of One
33 2x14 The Last Roundup
34 5x13 Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?
35 3x07 Wonderbolts Academy
36 1x16 Sonic Rainboom
37 2x05 Sisterhooves Social
38 1x19 A Dog and Pony Show
39 2x22 Hurricane Fluttershy
40 6x11 Flutter Brutter
41 6x13 Stranger Than Fan Fiction
42 6x19 The Fault in Our Cutie Marks
43 2x03 Lesson Zero
44 4x05 Flight to the Finish
45 1x26 The Best Night Ever
46 4x12 Pinkie Pride
47 6x21 Every Little Thing She Does
48 5x08 The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone
49 5x07 Make New Friends but Keep Discord
50 5x05 Tanks for the Memories
51 3x02 The Crystal Empire - Part 2
52 3x01 The Crystal Empire - Part 1
53 2x16 Read It and Weep
54 1x08 Look Before You Sleep
55 1x20 Green Isn't Your Colour
56 4x21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
57 1x11 Winter Wrap Up
58 2x04 Luna Eclipsed
59 6x20 Viva Las Pegasus
60 5x03 Castle Sweet Castle

>>28873366
61 4x11 Three's A Crowd
62 4x10 Rainbow Falls
63 3x05 Magic Duel
64 1x03 The Ticket Master
65 6x01 The Crystalling Pt. 1
66 6x02 The Crystalling Pt. 2
67 6x17 Dungeons & Discords
68 2x23 Ponyville Confidential
69 2x07 May the Best Pet Win!
70 4x13 Simple Ways
71 4x14 Filli Vanilli
72 3x10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
73 1x14 Suited for Success
74 5x21 Scare Master
75 4x07 Bats!
76 1x06 Boast Busters
77 1x07 Dragonshy
78 2x20 It's About Time
79 4x22 Trade Ya!
80 6x07 Newbie Dash
81 4x24 Equestria Games
82 6x12 Spice Up Your Life
83 6x05 Gauntlet of Fire
84 2x15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
85 2x19 Putting Your Hoof Down
86 5x11 Party Pooped
87 4x08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
88 5x20 Hearthbreakers
89 5x14 Canterlot Boutique
90 4x01 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 1
90 4x02 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 2
92 2x21 Dragon Quest
93 5x16 Made in Manehattan
94 1x21 Over a Barrel
95 1x22 A Bird in the Hoof
96 6x23 Where the Apple Lies
97 6x16 The Times They Are a Changeling
98 3x03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
99 3x12 Games Ponies Play
100 4x04 Daring Don't
101 4x19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils
102 4x18 Maud Pie
103 4x15 Twilight Time
104 1x17 Stare Master
105 6x03 The Gift of the Maud Pie
106 1x10 Swarm of the Century
107 6x04 On Your Marks
108 4x16 It Ain't Easy Being Breezies
109 2x24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
110 6x22 P.P.O.V. (Pony Point of View)
111 6x18 Buckball Season
112 5x04 Bloom & Gloom
113 2x08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well
114 1x15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
115 5x19 The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows
116 3x04 One Bad Apple
117 1x09 Bridle Gossip
118 6x15 28 Pranks Later
119 3x08 Apple Family Reunion
120 4x23 Inspiration Manifestation

>>28873370
121 4x20 Leap of Faith
122 1x24 Owl's Well That Ends Well
123 5x23 The Hooffields and McColts
124 5x22 What About Discord?
125 4x06 Power Ponies
126 1x12 Call of the Cutie
127 6x10 Applejack's "Day" Off
128 4x17 Somepony to Watch Over Me
129 1x05 Griffon the Brush-Off
130 1x04 Applebuck Season
131 4x09 Pinkie Apple Pie
132 1x18 The Show Stoppers
133 6x14 The Cart Before the Ponies
134 2x12 Family Appreciation Day
135 2x18 A Friend in Deed
136 2x06 The Cutie Pox
137 2x17 Hearts and Hooves Day
138 2x13 Baby Cakes
139 5x10 Princess Spike
140 2x10 Secret of My Excess
141 3x11 Just for Sidekicks
142 5x06 Appleoosa's Most Wanted
143 3x09 Spike at Your Service
144 Mx00 Equestria Girls
144 Mx01 Rainbow Rocks
144 Mx02 Friendship Games
144 Mx03 Legend of Everfree

>>28873373
Don't forget the other questions in the OP.

Ten (10)

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1 2x01 The Return of Harmony - Part 1
2 2x02 The Return of Harmony - Part 2
3 4x26 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 2
4 5x12 Amending Fences
5 6x25 To Where and Back Again Pt. 1
6 4x12 Pinkie Pride
7 4x25 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 1
8 6x09 The Saddle Row Review
9 1x23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
10 2x03 Lesson Zero
11 5x13 Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?
12 1x26 The Best Night Ever
13 1x25 Party of One
14 2x04 Luna Eclipsed
15 3x05 Magic Duel
16 2x22 Hurricane Fluttershy
17 5x26 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 2
18 5x21 Scare Master
19 6x13 Stranger Than Fan Fiction
20 2x23 Ponyville Confidential
21 4x09 Pinkie Apple Pie
22 6x26 To Where and Back Again Pt. 2
23 2x26 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2
24 3x06 Sleepless in Ponyville
25 4x21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
26 5x02 The Cutie Map - Part 2
27 5x01 The Cutie Map - Part 1
28 5x07 Make New Friends but Keep Discord
29 2x25 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1
30 4x11 Three's A Crowd
31 1x16 Sonic Rainboom
32 2x09 Sweet and Elite
33 6x24 Top Bolt
34 4x08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
35 5x08 The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone
36 5x20 Hearthbreakers
37 5x15 Rarity Investigates!
38 4x18 Maud Pie
39 6x06 No Second Prances
40 6x05 Gauntlet of Fire
41 2x11 Hearth's Warming Eve
42 2x10 Secret of My Excess
43 5x05 Tanks for the Memories
44 4x23 Inspiration Manifestation
45 4x07 Bats!
46 3x10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
47 4x03 Castle Mane-ia
48 6x20 Viva Las Pegasus
49 5x24 The Mane Attraction
50 5x25 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 1
51 6x16 The Times They Are a Changeling
52 5x18 Crusaders of the Lost Mark
53 1x06 Boast Busters
54 1x22 A Bird in the Hoof
55 1x11 Winter Wrap Up
56 1x07 Dragonshy
57 2x07 May the Best Pet Win!
58 6x11 Flutter Brutter
59 6x08 A Hearth's Warming Tail

>>28874547
60 6x21 Every Little Thing She Does
61 5x14 Canterlot Boutique
62 1x10 Swarm of the Century
63 3x07 Wonderbolts Academy
64 1x09 Bridle Gossip
65 3x13 Magical Mystery Cure
66 3x11 Just for Sidekicks
67 6x07 Newbie Dash
68 4x13 Simple Ways
69 4x19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils
70 5x09 Slice of Life
71 4x06 Power Ponies
72 3x02 The Crystal Empire - Part 2
73 2x15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
74 2x16 Read It and Weep
75 2x19 Putting Your Hoof Down
76 4x10 Rainbow Falls
77 6x22 P.P.O.V. (Pony Point of View)
78 6x17 Dungeons & Discords
79 6x19 The Fault in Our Cutie Marks
80 4x14 Filli Vanilli
81 5x03 Castle Sweet Castle
82 1x08 Look Before You Sleep
83 1x02 Friendship is Magic - Part 2
84 1x01 Friendship is Magic - Part 1
85 4x01 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 1
86 4x02 Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 2
87 4x05 Flight to the Finish
88 1x05 Griffon the Brush-Off
89 4x22 Trade Ya!
90 3x03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
91 3x01 The Crystal Empire - Part 1
92 2x17 Hearts and Hooves Day
93 5x23 The Hooffields and McColts
94 6x18 Buckball Season
95 4x16 It Ain't Easy Being Breezies
96 1x17 Stare Master
97 3x04 One Bad Apple
98 6x12 Spice Up Your Life
99 4x04 Daring Don't
100 2x20 It's About Time
101 2x14 The Last Roundup
102 2x13 Baby Cakes
103 2x24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
104 2x05 Sisterhooves Social
104 5x11 Party Pooped
106 6x02 The Crystalling Pt. 2
107 6x23 Where the Apple Lies
108 1x19 A Dog and Pony Show
109 1x14 Suited for Success
110 1x13 Fall Weather Friends
111 6x04 On Your Marks
112 4x17 Somepony to Watch Over Me
113 5x22 What About Discord?
113 6x03 The Gift of the Maud Pie
115 6x01 The Crystalling Pt. 1
116 4x24 Equestria Games
117 5x19 The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows
118 5x17 Brotherhooves Social
119 4x15 Twilight Time
119 4x20 Leap of Faith

>>28874547
What in Twilight's Kingdom part 2 made you love it that much?

>>28874559
121 5x06 Appleoosa's Most Wanted
121 5x16 Made in Manehattan
123 5x04 Bloom & Gloom
124 2x18 A Friend in Deed
125 1x03 The Ticket Master
126 1x15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
127 1x12 Call of the Cutie
128 1x04 Applebuck Season
129 1x18 The Show Stoppers
130 1x24 Owl's Well That Ends Well
131 1x20 Green Isn't Your Colour
132 1x21 Over a Barrel
132 2x06 The Cutie Pox
132 2x08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well
135 2x12 Family Appreciation Day
135 3x08 Apple Family Reunion
137 3x12 Games Ponies Play
138 2x21 Dragon Quest
139 5x10 Princess Spike
140 6x10 Applejack's "Day" Off
140 6x14 The Cart Before the Ponies
142 3x09 Spike at Your Service
142 6x15 28 Pranks Later
144 Mx01 Rainbow Rocks
145 Mx00 Equestria Girls
146 Mx02 Friendship Games
147 Mx03 Legend of Everfree

2) 18, M
3) early 2012, Ponyville Confidential was my first live episode
4) about an 8
5) not very, about a 4

>>28874575
the hype of that fight is still with me I guess

i'm actually kind of surprised at 28 Pranks Later being so low, I mean I didn't really like it but to be the lowest episode of the show? I guess it just got bad matchups

>>28874590
A lot of the time everything else is just better instead of it being bad.

Bump so I can update this with those two new lists after I get home.

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>>28875609
Nice to see all the good S6 episodes up there.
Poor AJ's Day Off, though. Sure it was shit, but not worse than Princess Spike shit.

>>28876539
A few of the S6 episodes even turned out kind of high up too.

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That end of S1 - beginning of S2 hump there is neat.

>>28876539
>not worse than Princess Spike shit.
Yeah it was.

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That S1/S2 to everything else gap is pretty significant. Also, thanks again for keeping the thread alive when I'm unable to attend to it Anons. I appreciate it.

>>28877251
Boring isn't as bad as that to me, but maybe I need to watch both of them again to be sure.

>>28877251
Nah. PS was borderline cringe with Spike being a fucking retard and being saved by some utter bullshit.
Aj's Day Off was borderline cringe with a cute pony being a fucking retard and being saved by someone talking reason to her.
Just the lack of Spike makes it better. The spa scenes were cute at times.

>>28880306
But Spike was in that episode, probably the only character who wasn't an idiot.

>>28880306
Spike did nothing wrong that episode and that's what made it so retarded. Dusedau was a hack.

Reddit results are in: https://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/5d3zw9/official_mlp_episode_ranking_survey_results_2016/

The biggest difference is that Season 1 is in last place. Everything else looks similar at first glance.

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>>28880418
>Reddit
>S1 at last place
I have absolutely nothing to add here

>>28812874
I was wondering about something. Wouldn't voting with the Allourideas method skew the final results? I mean, you can stop anytime, so some episodes could potentially never be compared, so they would be bumped down. Or it's randomized enough that every episode pairing will be present for at least some Anon? Can you give me any info on that?

>>28881002
If you don't vote enough with AllOurIdeas, it will look as if you think every episode is average, a couple are great, and a couple are worse than hitler.
So in general if you're going to vote, please stick with it until you've given your opinion on every episode at least once.

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>>28880418
holy fuck these people have absolutely zero good taste
I apologize to anyone I ever jokingly called reddit here because nobody is worth that insult

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>>28881088
Every time I go on reddlt, it makes me happy 4chan exists.

>>28880418
>results as CSV
Nice. I'll compare this with our results so far when I get home in a few hours.

>>28880418
>MMC, Princess Twilight Sparkle, It's About Time all ranked higher than Sonic Rainboom and Winter Wrap Up
>Too Many Pinkie Pies was better than Dragonshy, Fall Weather Friends, Scare Master or Cider episode
>Swarm Of The Century is worse than The Crystalling
>Rarity's best ep is SRR
>Pinkie's best ep is Weird Al episode
this list is awful and anyone participating should be fucking hanged

>>28880418
>S1 last
Wow, and I always thought reddit's taste can't be as terrible as everyone says.

>>28881146
>>Pinkie's best ep is Weird Al episode
...but Pinkies best ep IS the Weird Al episode

>>28881028
I think I'll just stick to the traditional method then

>>28881477
Said no one ever

>>28881477
Not the Anon you replied to, but I liked Party of One, Feeling Pinkie Keen, Too Many Pinkie Pies, Party Pooped and Buckball Season (if you want to count the last one as a Pinkie episode) all better. I just found the songs in Pinkie Pride boring and thought the characterizations were really poor.

Just my personal opinion, naturally. To each their own.

>>28881506
boy what the fuck are you on, Pinkie Pride is usually regarded as the best episode in the series

>>28881534
By a verry narrow group of people whose opinion is objectively wrong.

>>28881541
Oh, you're just baiting. Carry on then.

>>28881534
Now that's wrong, Anon. Return of Harmony always wins the polls and is widely regarded as the best episode outside too. Pinkie Pride was received well, but hardly anyone considers it to be the best episode.

>>28881560
Who don't you look at the rankings in this very thread?
Nobody put Pinkie Pride as the best episode. That title goes mostly to RoH and CotLM.

I'm a weirdo who thinks Over a Barrel and Equestria Games were among the best episodes in S1/S4 respectively.

I never bother to tell anyone about my opinions of episodes. It never ends well.

>>28881534
>Pinkie Pride 18th
yeah
best episode
okay

>>28881565
Maybe it's just outspoken Pinkiefags but I actually do see people say it's the best episode occasionally. Like in the top five of answers along with RoH or AF.

Maybe it's just newfags who never saw Party of One to know that it's the best Panko episode.

>>28881586
Oh man. I could understand Over a Barrel, but Equestria Games? What have you liked so much about it?

>>28881586
I was never really fond of Over a Barrel. It's pretty silly and the song is meh.

Equestria Games is cringe incarnate though.

>>28881146
>Pinkie's best ep is Weird Al episode
Seems plausible.

>>28881656
>herewegoagain.jpg

>>28881656
Party of One or Pinkie Apple Pie are much better candidates tbf

>>28881604
Well for one thing I laughed harder during Spike's singing than at any other point in the show's history. Also, the very idea that Spike is a famed and respected hero in the Crystal Empire is something that I love and that Spike's character sorely needed. I really liked the lesson at the end of the episode, and there were also just a bunch of little things I appreciated (like ice archery, which is a cool Equestrian twist on the sport).

I dunno. I just liked it.

Shall I continue on with all my other backward and bizarre opinions, like how I prefer The Crystal Empire over The Return of Harmony and Twilight's Kingdom?

>>28881694
For as weird as I find your opinion on Equestria Games, I actually agree that The Crystal Empire was better than Twilight's Kingdom.

>>28881675
Party of One loses points because "lol you should trust your friends even when they're lying to you" is a shit moral. I mean obviously Pinkie overreacted but Twilight & friends should have taken at least a little responsibility. It should have been like Suited for Success where both sides learned something.

>>28881694
>Shall I continue on with all my other backward and bizarre opinions, like how I prefer The Crystal Empire over The Return of Harmony and Twilight's Kingdom?
Yes.

>>28881694
The Crystal Empire is one of those weird ones where it doesn't seem as awful in retrospect as it did at the time. It actually defied a lot of the common premiere/finale tropes and was better for it.
>Twiggles didn't save everything by random deus ex unicornia - in fact, the villain out-magiced her; yet, it never felt stupidly Op
>Despite Mr. "Grr Slaves Crystals" being silly at the time, he is one of the few villains who didn't fail because of some blindingly obvious moment of stupidity. Looking at you, Chryssy.
>Also, no retarded last-second instant redemptions.
>Spike got to actually do shit and not be cringy at the same time
>The villain is defeated by the collective action of all the Crystal Ponies, rather than one character/a handful of characters being given superpowers.
It still makes it average rather than good, but that's enough to line it up alongside Twilight's Kingdom in my book.

One thing I think we didn't give them credit for at the time is how potent Sombra is as a threat. GRR CRYSTAL SLAVES STAIRS ARGH was and is still retarded, but they got the idea of a menacing power way outside the leagues of other ponies down pat. I mean, he ground down an alicorn at the moment she ought to have been at her most powerful by sheer determination, he out-magiced the Element of Magic - but, most importantly, never left the viewer going "wait, what? How the fuck can he do that! That's stupid!"

Compared to, say, GlimGlam, that's a noticeably good bit of writing.

>>28881811
>>The villain is defeated by the collective action of all the Crystal Ponies, rather than one character/a handful of characters being given superpowers.
Fucking commie.

>>28881811
>The Crystal Empire is one of those weird ones where it doesn't seem as awful in retrospect as it did at the time
I have to agree, too. Aside it from having obvious downsides, we also have to put it in context. What episode it followed? Fucking "A Canterlot Wedding", no less, and that was fucking hype at the time, it moved to the top of almost everyone's best episode list, at least for the hiatus. After that, everyone expected the second coming of Christ, no less. So in other words, ACW was really hard to top
The other thing is that the first part of TCE was aired almost entirely through previews. It took down the pre-episode hype a few notches, since the plot was mostly known by the time it aired, and by extension, the episode seemed less interesting

>>28881919
The best part of the episode was the failure/success song!
It had Twily with flowing hair, faggot singing, and I still know the square root of 546 to 10 digits.

>>28881586
I liked Equestria Games a lot, aside from the cringe song it is a pretty good episode.

I fucking love The Crystal Empire. It was the first and perhaps only premiere/finale to properly balance the slice of life and adventure aspects of the show by having Twilight and Spike search for the Crystal Heart while the rest do various things to distract the crystal ponies. The other mane 6 are actually focused on as individuals in a way that doesn't just revolve around their Element. Those and the scenes in Episode 1 of the mane 6 trying to gather information all deliver great character based humor. Spike's vision that Twilight would send him away and her reassurance that it would never happen is one of the most touching moments in the whole show. People hated Sombra for not being a charismatic villain like Discord when all he was really there to do is give the plot tension, which he does quite well. And the song is fucking fantastic, especially the reprise. Plus all the good things other anons already said.

Really the only places it falls down are Twilight's obviously unreal vision of failing the test (which maybe was enough to fool less trope-savvy kids, I dunno) and the somewhat shaky logic behind the test itself. It's a very solid episode.

>>28882152
Sombrero got a lot of hate for being a completely shallow villain, he looked like a bad OC, had no real identity or reason for being evil, then he was defeated and that was the end of that.
So after Discord and Chryssie, it was a bit of a letdown.

>>28882166
His identity and "reason for being evil" are also completely unimportant to the episode. You may as well complain that the vines in the season 4 premiere were a shallow villain.

>>28882187
I'm not saying it ruined the episode, but for a two parter it is pretty shallow characterization.

I don't think the vines even qualify as a villain, it's pretty silly to bring that up.

>>28882193
His characterization was sufficient for the amount of screentime he got. Not every character needs to be fleshed out. "There's a bad guy coming who wants to fuck everything up. Now let's focus on how the main characters stop this." seems like a perfectly valid approach.

>>28882310
I don't know, when you dedicate a two parter opener to your heroes fighting a threat, maybe you can find the time to make the villain less one dimensional somewhere in there.

If you take other two parters like The Cutie Map, Canterlot Wedding or Return of Harmony, they manage to focus on the main characters without leaving so many unanswered questions about the bad guy.

>>28882341
>If you take other two parters like The Cutie Map, Canterlot Wedding or Return of Harmony, they manage to focus on the main characters without leaving so many unanswered questions about the bad guy.
Do they though? Spike does nothing in any of those. In A Canterlot Wedding the mane 6 outside of Twilight get very little focus at all. In the Cutie Map none but Fluttershy gets to really do anything but follow Twilight around. In Return of Harmony the mane 6 get more focus, but only on the way that Discord changes them and makes them not act like themselves.

>>28882376
Spike does nothing in any of the show. Not even in Spike episodes.

It's true that the mane6 is not as well represented in most two parters as is it in The Crystal Empire, but I think that's less important to me than having a good story and a good villain.

After all, like it or not, the show has been centered around Twilight since S01E01.

>>28882411
Without Spike, Equestria would have been doomed several times, especially the most recent episode.

>>28882419
That's debatable. The whole Crystal Meth arc was just a test, Celly could have taken care of it herself had Twilight failed.

>>28882429
Thorax

>>28882492
I actually completely forgot the plot of this episode because I was doing something else while the stream was on, but as far as I recall Thorax wasn't exactly a national emergency.

The changelings had already been sent packing once.

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I'll make something nicer and less cobbled together looking with the traditional ranking added in too after we're completely done with our survey in a few weeks, but for right now if I take and combine the two results CSVs together I get this.

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>>28882429
Objection.
We saw from the S6 finale that if twilight wasn't around, Sombra would have Mind controlled its citizens to create an army and celestia would have been utterly impotent, as usual.

>>28882601
In fairness, we don't know what else might have happened by that point. Like, if enough time had passed for the Crystal Empire to return, that implies Nightmare Moon had been defeated and Luna recovered... but if Twilight wasn't there, how? Were there other bearers of the Elements? Why couldn't they just rainbow-beam Sombra in the face? What had happened to Cadance up until that point? It's possible that it was a test under the specific conditions that Twilight confronted it; in a more dangerous position, he'd have been a far more serious threat.

That said, I personally wouldn't look at those alternate realities too closely - like everything else Haber touches, they're short on underlying logic.

>>28882601
>>28882648

Looking at that timeline, Celestia was playing with a MUCH less stacked deck too: There's no luna shown in that timeline, which implies that Luna remained Nightmare moon and Celestia reimprisoned her.

This would mean that She lacked her sister's magical muscle to back her up in that timeline. Additionally, there's no cadence OR shining armor. Which implies that Chrysalis Came in, disposed of Cadence and shining but was ultimately repelled.

So Celestia is AGAIN down another alicorn and her captain of the guard.


Now, I'm not going to defend the crystal empire episode: its one of the worst plots in the series, and REEKS of tailoring things to revolve around Twilight despite idiocy and logical problems.
But She had alot more resources at her disposal in the empire at least.

I mean, the last time celestia beat sombra it was with luna, so concievably a 2 on 1 fight is a pretty easy win while a 1 on 1 fight is dicier. Its not too bad to assume that you can tag team someone in an unfair fight if things go wrong after all.

>>28882601
Damnit, I would love to see that timeline though just to see Dash as the Hero protagonist in a shonen series kind of thing where she has to rise to the occasion and beat sombra.

>>28882648
Also, this. Haber is an idiot.

>>28882580
I have to say, the combined result looks closer to my personal ranking than either of the two on their own.

>>28882580
>To where and back again and no second prances that high up

Starlight haters BTFO.

>>28882580
Forgot to edit the episode ranking chart titles. Those should say score like the other two.

>>28882792
I always thought that was a vocal minority.

>>28882792
I hate her and still liked No Second Prances. The two parter was alright too - the parts of it that I didn't like had nothing to do with Starlight.

>>28884069
>Minority
No. No that's not it at all.

>>28882792
I've always been saying that Starlight's only positive thing in S6 is that she gave us more Trixie. I still don't think of her character much, but yes, >I rate the trixepisodes highly. Not because of Glimmer, you must understand.

>>28873409
Yes, they are here:
>>28872889

>>28885523
Oh, okay. Already have those then. Thanks Anon.

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>>28882792
>Implying it's not sorely to the presence of our new benevolent overlord

>>28885674
Those are why To Where and Back Again isn't higher up.

>>28882580
>Amending fences is 3rd
>To Where and Back Again is 4th
Come on. They ain't bad, but they aren't THAT good

>>28886216
S6 finale was really good, up until >>28885674 happened. But regardless, it was much better than the rest of the season in general, so it's a "l-look guys, the show is totally getting better and not dying, s-see?" kind of thing

saving bump

>>28885674
do not remind me of that reformation

1 2x01 The Return of Harmony - Part 1
1 2x02 The Return of Harmony - Part 2
3 2x25 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1
3 2x26 A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2
5 1x23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
6 1x16 Sonic Rainboom
7 1x26 The Best Night Ever
8 2x04 Luna Eclipsed
9 2x18 A Friend in Deed
10 1x01 Friendship is Magic - Part 1
10 1x02 Friendship is Magic - Part 2
12 1x05 Griffon the Brush-Off
13 1x13 Fall Weather Friends
14 1x14 Suited for Success
15 2x22 Hurricane Fluttershy
16 2x11 Hearth's Warming Eve
17 1x25 Party of One
18 2x19 Putting Your Hoof Down
19 1x22 A Bird in the Hoof
20 2x14 The Last Roundup
21 2x20 It's About Time
22 1x20 Green Isn't Your Colour
23 1x08 Look Before You Sleep
24 1x11 Winter Wrap Up
25 2x17 Hearts and Hooves Day
26 1x10 Swarm of the Century
27 2x09 Sweet and Elite
28 1x09 Bridle Gossip
29 1x15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
30 2x05 Sisterhooves Social
31 2x03 Lesson Zero
32 2x15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
33 1x03 The Ticket Master
34 1x04 Applebuck Season
35 1x06 Boast Busters
36 1x07 Dragonshy
37 1x21 Over a Barrel
38 2x13 Baby Cakes
39 2x16 Read It and Weep
40 2x12 Family Appreciation Day
41 2x06 The Cutie Pox
42 1x17 Stare Master
43 1x18 The Show Stoppers
44 2x07 May the Best Pet Win!
45 1x19 A Dog and Pony Show
46 1x12 Call of the Cutie
47 2x24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
48 1x24 Owl's Well That Ends Well
49 2x21 Dragon Quest
50 2x08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well

51 2x10 Secret of My Excess
52 2x23 Ponyville Confidential
53 5x18 Crusaders of the Lost Mark
54 5x20 Hearthbreakers
55 3x05 Magic Duel
56 3x01 The Crystal Empire - Part 1
56 3x02 The Crystal Empire - Part 2
58 3x06 Sleepless in Ponyville
59 3x03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
60 4x21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
61 4x12 Pinkie Pride
62 3x07 Wonderbolts Academy
63 5x24 The Mane Attraction
64 3x08 Apple Family Reunion
65 4x18 Maud Pie
66 5x01 The Cutie Map - Part 1
66 5x02 The Cutie Map - Part 2
68 5x08 The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone
69 4x09 Pinkie Apple Pie
70 6x23 Where the Apple Lies
71 3x12 Games Ponies Play
72 3x11 Just for Sidekicks
73 4x25 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 1
73 4x26 Twilight's Kingdom - Part 2
75 3x10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
76 4x19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils
77 3x04 One Bad Apple
78 5x11 Party Pooped
79 3x09 Spike at Your Service
80 5x25 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 1
80 5x26 The Cutie Re-Mark Pt. 2
82 6x11 Flutter Brutter
83 5x17 Brotherhooves Social
84 6x09 The Saddle Row Review
85 4x13 Simple Ways
86 4x03 Castle Mane-ia
87 5x14 Canterlot Boutique
88 4x07 Bats!
89 6x17 Dungeons & Discords
90 6x25 To Where and Back Again Pt. 1
90 6x26 To Where and Back Again Pt. 2
92 5x07 Make New Friends but Keep Discord
93 4x14 Filli Vanilli
94 4x08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
95 6x18 Buckball Season
96 6x03 The Gift of the Maud Pie
97 6x22 P.P.O.V. (Pony Point of View)
98 6x24 Top Bolt
99 5x16 Made in Manehattan
100 6x08 A Hearth's Warming Tail