Gamefag

>>28788954
>Using Python

>>28788954
> Writing and CG are nearly 0% done
Considering this is the hardest part in a VN game ...

>>28788954
Ouch...

>>28789367
Yeah, but they can be reused. Once the first few BGIs and character sprites are done, they can be reused.

>>28790206
Well, good to see you aren't completely dead. How's the project going?

>>28790308
>Doing good so far.

>>28788954
I got more faith in this than in the other VN.

>>28789027
Better than Java.

>>28788954
Let it go brah. Let it go ;_;

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>>28788954
>we will never have an actual pony VN
Why even live

>>28790341
You switched to Ren'py like a sensible person yet?

Just a reminder of what "10 years of coding experience" will get you: http://pastebin.com/TWJD6v7M

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>>28792579

>>28792579
Don't you get it?

If no one can understand and clearly read your code then no one can steal your ideas!
Shit, if I had 10 full years of hardened coding experience I'd want to hide all my neat coding tricks too

oh boy...

Do you guys seriously don't know about the my little dashi novel?
Are you fucking kidding me?

There are shit tone for VN for pone, fucking newfags ruining my shit

If you guys hate my code that much, then make your own engine. Show me how it's done.
Seriously, if you guys can make a better VN engine, I'm willing to learn.

>>28792791
>I'm 12, and what is ren'py?

>>28792797
Then show me how to change the UI in ren'py as I don't know two shits about how to use it.

>>28792805
>I'm a bad workman, but I'll blame the tools

>>28792811
>blame the tools
When? How?

>>28792814
Lets see, shall we:
The fact that you blame all the loss of your original code on the computer, and not on you not using backups or version control; the fact that you blame the performance of the compiler for the shitty performance of your game, as opposed to the awful non optimised spaghetti code you fed it; the fact that rather than RTFM for Ren'py you'll bitch about not being able to immediately do something.

People have been able to build incredibly complex, stable, and well supported projects with each of the tools that you have, ultimately the only consistent issue you face is sitting in your chair.

>>28792825
>The fact that you blame all the loss of your original code on the computer, and not on you not using backups or version control
Yeah and that's my fault.
>the fact that you blame the performance of the compiler
When? The only time I commented on the compiler was when an anon was complaining about his AV thinking it's a virus. In fact, I never commented on the performance.
>the fact that rather than RTFM for Ren'py you'll bitch about not being able to immediately do something
Because if you guys already know how, why not help me out so that I can work on the actual game content?

Well, I can see how this is going to end. Farewell, another pony game project.

>>28792833
>Because if you guys already know how, why not help me out so that I can work on the actual game content?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ren%27py+change+the+ui&l=1
The fact that you can't even use Google fills me with confidence

>>28792836
It ended several days ago, this is just us dancing on the remains out of boredom.

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>>28792849
Dance, dance

>>28793356
Oh god, what is this even?

>>28793587
Code that Gamefag thinks is better than Ren'py

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>>28793356

>>28789027
this

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Okay, maybe even this guy's code is shit. Why are you all bashing him?! Seriously, he's trying to contribute but you all just scream at him. Beggars can't be choosers- and you're all refusing a meal because you want a more sophisticated one.

>>28793683
Hi Gamefag!

>>28793683
>you're all refusing a meal because you want a more sophisticated one
If someone offers me a steak and then they regurgitate hamburger meat onto a plate in front of me I'm not going to eat it.

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>>28793701
Fuck off retard, maybe try actually answering my question instead of continuing to act like a dick.

>>28793710
Maybe try using google and learning how to navigate Ren'py on your own instead of expecting anons to suck your dick and do everything for you.

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>>28793720
I'm not Gamerfag you stupid shit. He hasn't asked anyone for anything either.

>>28793356
OK I know some code but nothing about Python but can anyone tell me what the hell this is? It looks like a ton of instructions that could be condensed to a loop that takes a couple of lines or am I reading it wrong?

>>28793683
because he got fucking stuck and there's no finish line in sight

>>28793762
It looks like a loading bar which updates after every image is loaded.

>>28793710
>My cunning disguise has been foiled, I'll post a screencap of this very thread that has no relevance to my point

>>28793731
Yeah, because demanding people show him how to Google ren'py tutorials clearly isn't asking for anything is it Gamefag?

>>28793762
Pretty much, but I guess that in his ten years of experience in coding he never learned about loops

why is python so fucking disgusting to look at? it's so repulsive that i feel sick just watching at some code

>>28793790
> I'll post a screencap of this very thread that has no relevance to my point
Hah, oh my god you're actually retarded.
I'm posting screencaps of people replying to Gamerfag, and since there's no (You), I'm proving I'm not Gamerfag. Hahaha holy shit you are stupid as shit.

Once again, try actually legit answering me.

>>28793799
You people... my god. He replied to your insults with 'Hey stop being an ass, I'm trying to improve'. Rhetorical. EVEN IF HE DID ACTUALLY ASK YOU FOR LINKS, you can spend five seconds to actually validate your insults.

>>28793817
Well written Python can look quite elegant, Gamefag writes anything but elegant

>>28793820
Careful Gamefag, you might have a coronary if you continue to get this mad about no one falling for your sockpuppeting. I'd suggest you write a bot to do it for you, but you'd only demand we do it for you

We can do it. YES WE CAN! Make skype group. And work together!

>>28792579
fuck I don't even know python and I can tell that code is garbage
>what are comments
>what is spacing

>>28790732
If you can't grasp basic concepts, then yes.

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>>28788954
Yo >>28790206 Gamefag. Low key you're the hero we actually need right now, just not the one we deserve. Anons will always be cruel, and there's no way to change that. Sure your code might be spaghetti and unreadable, but if that works for you then keep going. You don't need to change/fix what ain't broke.

I believe in you. YOU will finish this game.

is gamefag the second coming of mdickie, the man who made his games close by crashing them?

>>28794541
Didn't Undertale do the samething tho?

>>28794345
>I believe in you. YOU will finish this game.
promise to post your disappointed face when he doesn't

>>28794545
no, Undertale made the game close itself for plot reasons. mdickie's games are so spaghetti that they can only close by crashing themselves when you hit quit.

>>28794563
More specifically:
>;DELIBERATE CRASH LOOPHOLE
>Function LoopHole()
> LoopHole()
>End Function

to quote the guy who found this:
>The piece of code I posted is meant to kill the program by constantly calling a method, which calls itself, which calls itself, which calls itself until it runs out of space in the stack, at which point the system goes "fuck you, program" and kills it. Most compilers for good programming languages see this sort of thing and optimize it away. The proper way to do it would be to actually exit the program properly. Or to find its process and end it. Also a statement called "assert" exists, where "assert false" would end the program abruptly. Basically there are a ton of ways of doing this in a way that isn't stupid.

>>28794553
Deal. Cap this so I'm bound to my word as a knight

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>>28794609
i'll be patiently waiting

>>28794677
and ΤΒΗ i want to be wrong. i just don't give any faith for this project

>>28794345
>the hero we actually need right now
We don't need someone who can't write anything but spaghetti for code

>Anons will always be cruel
Calling a turd a turd isn't cruel, it's objective fucking fact

> but if that works for you then keep going. You don't need to change/fix what ain't broke.
Christ, you probably call retards "handicapable" instead of "God's mistakes" don't you?

>I believe in you. YOU will finish this game.
Now that you've sucked your own cock like a two dollar whore Gamefag, what will you barely be competent at next?

>>28794737
>God's mistakes
are you a fucking chrisitan or something?

>>28794796
Are you someone who passed 3rd grade English?

>>28794941
>ad homonym

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>>28794796
>>28794982

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>>28795001

>>28788954
Link to the old thread, so everyone can relive the fun:
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/28682113/

>>28792844
Bruh... Just ignore this edgy little guy

>>28795065
>http://pastebin.com/TWJD6v7M
Oh god this densely packed python and autistic avoidance of whitespace.
>708 semicolons
My fucking sides.

>>28795356
Check the old thread, it managed to get a negative pylint score - I didn't even think that was possible

>>28795065
>Comments are for code monkeys.
>Not ub3r1337h4x0r's like myself!

>If/when I need to modify the code, I have a notebook dedicated to where and what things do.

>>why not use ren'py?
>Even if I DID use ren'py and modified it, I'd still have a shit ton of code which could be "buggy."

>But if a feature works, it works no matter how many tests it's been through.

>All I'm saying is that people don't need to worry about HOW I program.
>As long as I deliver a quality VN.

>Quality != readability.
>Having said that, so what if I'm an autistic fuck about my code? I don't like whitespace and I like to leave my comments in a physical notebook.


>I think what you're forgetting is that this isn't a 20k line game. It's a visual novel. I move images from point A to point B, show some text, and play some sound/music.
>There's no need for version control, no "NEW" features to be added once the game is released.
>The engine is so small and simple that even if you find a bug, debugging won't be difficult. Even if it's messy.


>I've been programming for about 10-11 years. And throughout my years, I've developed a habit of messy code.
>I have never had an issue with any of the projects I've worked on. I even developed a game for a college assignment for a friend.
>Never got any complaints about my code. Not that it was justified. But still.

>As mentioned a few times now, I always clean up and make shit more efficient ONCE I'M DONE.

>Dammit, I'm not Chris-chan!

>>28795392
>I think what you're forgetting is that this isn't a 20k line game. It's a visual novel. I move images from point A to point B, show some text, and play some sound/music.
God damn it, I wrote a shitty 340 line side-scroller in high school with all these features.

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this is one of my first serious programs from when i was still studying. a project i had to make to pass. it's a rl queue simulator of some virtual bank or whatever with 5 counters, FIFO of course
let's compare a work of a guy who's been coding for 10-11y with a student who's been loosely programming for 3 months and see who's code is easier to read and understand
http://pastebin.com/bTFb6Jr0

>>28795725
I have no real idea what natural language you've written your variable names / comments in (guessing Polish) which makes it a bit harder, but I'm fairly certain I could figure out exactly what it does with minimal effort

>>28795753
it's very easy to understand what's happening once you compile/run it. tho language makes it confusing for non-PL users
want me to translate it?

>>28795817
if you would be so kind

Do you guys just simply hate me or something?

>>28796060
get a clue

>>28794541
Say what you like about MDickie, School Days on Android is one of the flat-out funniest fucking things I have ever played. It's weird sandbox gameplay can just do things so off the wall and the school setting just makes it funnier.

* One class, the teacher is right in the middle of saying something to us when a 14-year old girl stands up, they embrace and french kiss while the rest of the class sits there awkwardly for what seems like 5 minutes.

* Arriving home after a hard day, my mother stops me to praise me for buying cigarettes. My dad immediately walks in and berates me for speeding money on food then beats the shit out of me with a skateboard.

*A kid steals my guitar during history. Later on I spot him in the park and literally beat him out of the game with a baseball bat. The next day the Principal confides in me that he was a dick and good job.

That's just three examples off the top of my head. Seriously, download 'School Days' and give it an hour of play, I guarantee you will piss your pants.

>>28796117
I'm retarded. So please explain

>>28796005
rough translation
http://pastebin.com/bucxBCA0
set the timer to 100-200 to make it slow enough to be readable

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>http://pastebin.com/53eqk2gt
There, I cleaned up the code and now have a pylint score of 4.69/10.
I'll add the comments from my notebook and fix the rest of the code later this week.

Now am I done getting a spanking or am I getting my mouth washed out with soap too?

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>>28796792
Don't be discouraged, Gamefag. Anons are merely giving you their advice about the code because they want to see you succeed in the best way possible. If nobody cared, then you wouldn't be receiving this feedback.

Do whatever works best for you. As long as you enjoy what you're doing, that's all that really matters.

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As much fun as I had in the last thread pistol whipping this guy about his Pajeet-tier engine (that might even be unfair to the average Pajeet) it really makes no difference since

>his art is crap
>his writing and general posting style would be cringey in an EqD comment section
>he refuses to accept advice on anything while begging for help with things he can't do
>he cries and goes limp in the face of the slightest criticism
>he doesn't even seem capable of understanding what he's being criticized for, even when it's explained to him in excruciating detail
>in the rare case he does understand, he just dismisses it as unimportant

It's been fun but a month from now this project will have gone absolutely nowhere and we all know it. Much better anons have tried this and failed before him. And posters like this one >>28796867 are kidding themselves and should probably go back to /r/mylittlepony.

>>28796060
I don't.

Please keeping working on this and don't get discouraged by autists.

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>>28797520
You can't fault him for trying to produce something for us, anon. I'm not saying we have to kiss-ass, but your attitude is cancerous. So what if he fails? You've offered your advice, which is fantastic, but continuing to pick on potential content creators is a shitty thing to do. He's clearly enthusiastic, and he can come back later when he has improved.

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>>28797609
I didn't fault him for trying. I faulted him for all of the things I listed in my post.

And I'll add one more while I'm here. I definitely fault him for accomplishing the absolute bare minimum work required to shout LOOK I SORT OF HAVE A THING and then immediately making a thread about it and lapping up praise from desperate suck-ups like yourself.

>when he has improved

Something he very adamantly refuses to do as I've already pointed out. I'm done taking my pot shots for the time being but if he makes another thread with anything less than a functioning demo with art, music, and mechanics in place I'm going to be right here to dropkick his dreams again because that's not making something for us, it's being an attention whore while dangling some ephemeral could-be in front of people's noses.

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>>28797647
>desperate suck-ups like yourself
Alright, you've changed my mind. Next time Gamefag or an anon comes to show off a project, I'll just berate them to no end. You've taught me the error of my ways.

Not joking. Thank you.

>>28797647
>I faulted him for all of the things I listed in my post.
>Something he very adamantly refuses to do as I've already pointed out
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/28682113/
Point me to where.

>>28797695
>point me to where he hasn't improved

Do you have autism anon? You point me to where he has improved. He posted some of the worst code I've ever seen in or out of the industry, a half dozen codefags showed up to very politely and reasonably explain to him why that's going to fuck him down the road, and he spent 500 posts arguing how that wasn't important. Really screams long term goals doesn't it?

As for the writing and artwork that should be self-evident.

>>28797647
He didn't even make the thread himself though.

He came wondering why his shit code was a meme and only fixed it when he STILL DIDN'T GET IT

>>28797721
No, simply point me to what he said or what he did that implied any thing being said he's doing.

>>28797803
>point me to what he said or what he did that implied any thing being said he's doing

Want to try that again in English?

>>28797817
>avoiding
Point me to evidence to backup what he is being accused of.

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>>28797841
>avoiding
Trying to make sense of your incoherent babbling, faggot. Your English is shit.

And that entire thread is evidence, every single one of his posts. That should be evident to anyone who isn't on the deep end of the spectrum.

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>>28797858
>And that entire thread is evidence, every single one of his posts
Then show me a post.

>>28797897
Here you go dipshit
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/search/tripcode/%21%21NJBw%2Fp%2BjEmX/

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>>28797912
Once again, you have failed to point out a single post to which could be used to prove Gamefag's guilt.

I'm sorry Anon, but I'm afraid I'll have to hold you in contempt of court if you keep wasting the jury's time.

>>28792421
Quit whining and do something about it yourself, you entitled pissbaby

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>>28797987
Once again you've proved you're an autistic roleplaying faggot whiteknighting an autistic useless faggot by plugging your ears and ignoring the massive red flags right in front of your face.

I'm glad it really tore your anus up to see the mean horsefuckers crush your little buttboy's dreams. You're both allowed to come back when they discover the cure for faggotry-induced autism and not a minute before.

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>>28798020
I've read enough. It's clear that you don't have the evidence to backup your statements and thus I shall render my verdict.

>>28797695
>>28797721
>>28797803
>>28797817
>>28797841
>>28797858
>>28797897
>>28797912
>>28797987
>>28798020
.........I really fucking hate you guys sometimes

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>>28798073
Conviction overturned on account of all the allegations being true and the judge being a willfully blind faggot sobbing desperately into the bench, wishing it weren't so.

So sayeth the judgment of God-King Huevos.

>>28798081
THE DEFENDANT WILL NOT SPEAK OUT OF TURN

>>28798092
I'm gonna go to bed and pretend this is just a bad dream...

>>28797520
>his art is crap
Wait, what the hell is wrong with my art now??

>>28796792
This looks like you ran it through an autoformatter and just went with whatever it spit out. It's even around 1600 lines, which is roughly what I got when I autoformatted the original version so I could see what it was doing.

It's definitely an improvement, but like I said in the previous thread, the whitespace is the least important of all the issues with the code. (Mainly because you can do exactly what you just did, and autoformat it to get something that's more or less okay.)

>>28797609
It's absolutely good that he's trying to make a game. And most of the feedback in this thread is not useful in the least (I'm referring to the many anons mocking the code in general, rather than pointing out specific issues and ways to fix them).

The main thing I fault him for is being too quick to discount advice. In the previous thread, several anons (including myself) pointed out specific issues with the code, and also explained why these were likely to be problems down the road. But he has consistently shown no intent to fix things.

Now, sometimes ignoring advice from random onlookers is 100% the right thing to do. The people working on a project naturally understand it better than anyone else, and can judge how applicable the advice really is. But in this case, where the developer has shown no understanding whatsoever of the reasoning behind the advice to clean up his code, his choice to disregard that advice looks less like a carefully considered judgment and more like aggressive ignorance.

>>28798167
>This looks like you ran it through an autoformatter
That's exactly what I did

>But he has consistently shown no intent to fix things
But I kept telling you guys that I WOULD fix it once I was done with the game content. The art, BGIs, sprites are by far the hardest part and the most time consuming. I wasn't brushing off the criticism. I was just trying to say( which I obviously didn't do a very good job at ) that my top priority was the actual content of the game. Which is why I wanted to wait until it was done.

Please understand that I wasn't discounting the advice I was given. The engine simply wasn't a priority.

>>28798278
The thing we are laughing about is the fact that you claim you have "10-11 years" of experience yet produce awful code that makes everyone's eyes bleed. Autoformatter improves things slightly but the bigger problems are your names (if you think foo is something that anyone ever uses in actual code, you've got serious issues), the amount of hard-coded values in the engine and the code duplication (refer too >>28793356).
These problems lead to code that is hard to understand and makes fixing bugs or adding features horribly painful.
With all that being said, it is true that the VN genre is fairly simple from the engine side and the content is obviously the main problem.

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>>28796792
>I cleaned up the code
Did you want a sweetie? As other anons have said, it's obvious you've just run the code through an auto formatter, and haven't made any attempt to actually understand what the output of pylint is telling you. Some of the warnings it's giving you are fairly serious indications of just how big a clusterfuck your code is, and could have been fixed with even a minimal amount of effort, others whilst (potentially) less serious are obvious warnings that you have code that isn't doing what you expect it to do (or you enjoy defining variables and never actually using them). Putting in the bare minimum and then getting ass blasted about it isn't something to be proud of, and it certainly doesn't fill anyone (who isn't a fresh out of their mothers cunt white knight) with confidence.

>>28796867
>>28797568
>>28797609
>>28797695
>>28797803
>>28797841
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>>28797987
>>28798073
Case in point, check out these faggots right here

>>28798278
Gamefag logic:
The engine isn't a priority, so I'll work on that first, and build everything from scratch. Instead of simply using ren'py, and actually working on the shit that I think is difficult first and then spend the five seconds required to Google a tutorial for the customisations I need to make to the UI. Also responding to any criticism of my work, no matter how unimportant *I* think it is takes precedent over everything else

>>28799216
The guy can't figure out that changing the UI in Ren'py is as simple as editing options.rpy, I don't think there's any point still beating our heads against it

These hugboxers are pretty funny tho

>>28799232
>These hugboxers are pretty funny tho
Very very true, I'm loving that their only defence of him boils down to "B-but he made something! You're not allowed to criticise people who make things!"

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>>28799279
Why do they not just go back to fucking EqD where all criticism is forbidden?

Why do these autists keep coming here and acting surprised that this isn't a candy-coated bouncy castle of nice headpats like the brony sites?

The original threads for Smutty's VN were ragefests from dozens of /mlp/'s most vicious individuals who were declaring it dead before it had even begun, and /mlp/ for the most part loved Smutty.

This guy gets the kindest reception ever (since the board has mostly lost its teeth) full of reasonable criticism and then after ignoring it for hundreds of post and anons losing their patience, he starts whimpering about his own fucking fursecution and these dipshits pop up like it's a blitz-era Berlin book burning.

Around here we hold things to a fucking standard. There are a dozen other sites where you can go for empty praise. Fucking christ

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I really didnt want something like this to happen. I just wanted to see your code because i'm learning how to program and wanted to see what the code of a more advanced project loooks like.
My innocent love of knowledge caused this.

>>28799428
To Gamefag's credit, he provided you with a superb example of everything you should seek to avoid.

Jeez fucking christ, I forgot how hostile people can be on this board. If I were Gamefag I wouldn't even have shared the fact that I was working on a game on /mlp/ 'til I was at a much later stage.

>>28799511
If you think this is hostile for /mlp/ you need to go back to where you came from

>>28799428
>more advanced project
High praise for such a low product

>>28798728
>"10-11 years" of experience
I said that I started programming when I was 12. That doesn't mean I programmed religiously everyday.

It's just when I first started messing around with code. It wasn't meant to imply that I had a lot of hard experience. I never implied that I did. Some anon asked when I first got into programming and I answered the question. Nothing more.

I've been drawing since I was 4. And yet my drawings still suck compared to some artist whom has been drawing for just as long.

Speaking of /mlp/ games, whatever happened to that RTS? Last I recall, they were modeling some of the buildings.

I tried to warn them not to be so ambitious.

>>28799303
>after ignoring it for hundreds of post
If I really did ignore it, I wouldn't have bothered replying. But if I get criticism, even if it's 100% justified, I want to at least give an explanation as to why I did what I did.
>There are a dozen other sites where you can go for empty praise
I didn't create this thread. I've been working on the game.
And I didn't create the original thread for praise. I just wanted some help with the inking/vectoring.

I'm not gonna lie, having the support that I had felt great. But my original goal was to find some help and a little feedback. I tried to be as humble as I could.

>>28799428
Don't worry about it. It happened so don't worry about it.

>>28799579
>I tried to be as humble as I could.
Guess we can add "the capability to be appropriately humble" to the list of thing Gamefag is incapable of, along with writing decent code, knowing how to draw hands, knowing how to Google, knowing not to pointlessly reinvent the wheel...

>>28799448
this

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So is this going to be an eroge or what?

Anyway, stop taking shit so personally and just use what's given to you, my dude. Ren'py is pretty time-honoured and I'm sure it's super robust, so if you just worry about that, you can focus on the content like you always intended, you know?

>>28792833
What's your steam? I've made a few vn's and am currently building a few other types of games, some of which are in python. I know a few engines and have some exp with ren'py. I will add you and help out with what I can.

Yo gamefag, as someone who want any type of new content I wish you good luck your endeavor.

I can understand the frustration of others though, considering that the web is now FILLED with tons of VN clones using renpy, not only KS, but tons of porn games too and akabur clones, it seems really really easy to use so I'm surrpised that wasn't your first course.

BUT if your shitty code works, well it works, screw the others, of course the writing and art is still left to do so it'll probably never be, but if you can know that I'll test your shit no matter what.

Now, has someone has said, what happened to the RTS guys?

>>28799726
People are trying to point out issues before they become unsolvable, because they want to see a quality project. Dismissing it with "yeah dude fuck the haters!!!" is disingenuous, and you are helping no one with it.

I'm not sure you understand that this is how you improve at things. You have to know a problem's there, and be willing to work at it, before you can fix it.

>>28799752
That would be correct in a correct environment.

However HERE the place is filled with smug assholes who will use every opportunity to take the piss at the guy, despite them doing nothing toward any project whatsoever. Why should he improve NOW, and not finish his thing and then see himself where to improve and patch things up?

If this was real life and the anons taking the piss were on the receiving end of the treatment, anyone sensible (and especially the short tempered ass on this board) would go "WELL FUCK YOU GUYS DO IT YOURSELF" and drop it.

I'm willing to ignore shitty code if it means we can have a finished product. Don't blame me if I don't condone your autism in the name of """"improvement"""".

>>28799776
if you come to 4chan for advice, don't expect anyone to be nice here
anons will point out your mistekes in a hard way

>>28799776
Man, I haven't even been saying anything. That post you replied to was like, my second post in the thread, and the first one was just some words of encouragement. But blind praise is fucking stupid.

This isn't just smug one-upsmanship, you daft cunt. People are being serious because people here are serious about their hobbies and interests, ESPECIALLY if they believe porn is on the line. If they're taking the time to level genuine criticism, maybe it's because they actually believe he can get shit done, and want to see him do so, and they assume he won't collapse into a pile of jelly at the slightest blunt word.

I dislike overly functional programming, but Jesus fucking Christ. This is a rough thread but it's appropriately rough.

I've done a couple hundred programs (mostly audio plugins). If Gamefag does a couple dozen programs, a couple dozen DIFFERENT programs not just the same thing over and over, he will get better at it.

>>28799776
Um… I'm 48 and one of the best coders in the world in a REALLY narrow problem domain (pretty useless at lots of other stuff!).

Real Life IS like this. Loaded with unfair and petulant abuse. The difference is, if you're actually doing something good, it's not uniformly abuse.

In the real world if you try to do something big you get static that scales up with how high you're aiming. THEN if you actually manage to accomplish anything rather than just messing yourself, people also turn up who are rabid fans (not just encouraging, but who flip out over how good your thing is) and the hatas totally stick around.

Only when you learn to gracefully coexist with the harshest of critics and even listen well enough to comprehend what they want, do you get to build on the 'fan side' and develop that.

This doesn't mean bowing to every criticism, but failing to understand them is a big indicator that you're very early in your development.

>>28799790
like some anon said long time ago:
>"4chan is not the place where you get fish. 4chan is the place where you get beaten with a fishing rod"

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>>28799845

>>28798278
>But I kept telling you guys that I WOULD fix it once I was done with the game content
Okay, that definitely was not the impression I got from the previous thread. You said things like "I always go back and clean up the code once it's done", so my understanding was that you intended to add any remaining engine features, and only then go back to clean up the code. This would, of course, be pointless, since the purpose of cleaning up the code is to make it easier to add additional features.

If you actually intend to clean up the code before adding the remaining features to the engine, then I think you've gotten the message and I don't have any problem with your plan of action. (I still think you shouldn't have written the code that way in the first place, but given that already happened, this is the best path going forward.)

>>28799567
>>28799726
The RTS thread died out maybe a month ago and never came back. Supposedly the main dev was going to post a new one when the new build was ready, but that hasn't happened yet.

That's another project that could have benefited from using an existing engine, by the way

>>28800380
EVERY project benefit from using an existing engine, using existing libraries. and using existing assets (if possible).

I know the thrill of doing everything yourself, that's what I did when I started programming. I literally spent 2 years of my free time creating a ray-tracing 3D engine in Asmx86. It was fun as hell but also fucking goddamn useless compared to existing engines.

Don't. Reinvent. The. Wheel.
... especially when your wheel has 100% chance of being slower, more fragile and with less functionalities that the one offered by guys who dedicate their lives to it. Not only that, but all the time you spend re-doing something available everywhere is time you aren't spending on what make your project different from the gorillions of other games.

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>>28798073
, you willfully ignorant pointless roleplaying faggot.

The problems with him have been explained again and again. He started a thread with nothing but a half finished engine composed of spaghetti code he didn't even need to make and no writing or sound whatsoever, he STILL has no idea why people keep railing on him for garbage code, he had to put his shitcode through a formatter to make it even vaguely readable (and it STILL has no comments other than the two automatic ones the formatter managed to put in), he's a cringy motherfucker in general who brushes off criticism by saying the things being criticized aren't important, he's got his feelings SO HURT YOU GUYS when he's posting on 4chan, and it took a thread and a half to get him to put his shitcode through a FUCKING FORMATTER.

>>28796867
fuck no I came to laugh at him.

'snot like he's ever going to give us a finished product, and even if he does, judging by his posts, the writing will be cringy as fuck.

>>28800428
This. There are only two times to legitimately view reinventing the wheel as a viable choice: when no one makes a wheel that does anything that you want your wheel to do; and when you absolutely need to understand how wheels work.

>>28799511
>how hostile people can be on 4chan
newfag

>>28800428
>Don't. Reinvent. The. Wheel.
well you can if you're a grandmaster in programming and you're sure that you can make it faster/better. but that's definitely not the case with this guy

>>28799544
When the most complex thing ive ever written is like a 20 line script to convert Fahrenheit to Celsius and vice versa, this could be considered way more advanced. I have no idea how to even start using a GUI

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>>28788954
Why are our autists completely inept at programming? Did every horsefucker here fail their maths class?

>>28799814
>People are being serious because people here are serious about their hobbies and interests
This.

The code reads like the most retarded green, where anon has turned into a black and red alicorn and is trying to convert everyone into his scat fetish. Rarity goes "Darling, darling darling", AJ only says "Apples" and Twiggles can't shut up about books and Celestia.

Also the green is riddled with typos and is an incomprehensible mess.

>>28799279
>"B-but he made something! You're not allowed to criticise people who make things!"
Nice strawman. Never once has it been implied you can't criticize a person who makes things. Let me reiterate: criticism is beneficial, and harping isn't. Regardless, it's up to Gamefag to act on the criticism and prove his worth. Framing every anon who offers praise or encouragement as a full-blown whiteknight or hugboxer isn't a decent mindset. Balance is key, otherwise anons aren't gonna show us anything for fear of backlash.

>>28799303
>There are a dozen other sites where you can go for empty praise. Fucking christ
That's what will end up happening, friend.

>>28800441
>fuck no I came to laugh at him.
Then you're just an asshole. Laughing at him is not only useless, but actively detrimental.

>>28801087
>horsefucker
There's your answer. The programming oriented autists are on /g/. Fuck the pony autists are on /mlp/.

>>28801440
>but actively detrimental
To whom?

>>28801087
Gamefag is not one of ours. He's clearly from somewhere off-site.

>>28801440
As is this faggot.

>>28798073
>>28797987
>>28797897
Are you that literal Ponychan faggot who would always avatarfag with AA bullshit?

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>>28801087
mov AX, YourAss
push AX
cmp yourStupidFace, myBoot
je youreAlsoUgly
jmp fuckYourMomma
pop AX
xor AX,AX

>>28801506
To the whoever's being laughed at. Are you retarded? Do you go around randomly laughing at people you don't know?

>>28801534
No, you're the one who's obviously not from around here, faggot.
If you don't understand the difference between two boards, then you're new. That's fine, but baseless accusations go nowhere.

>>28802121
If it gets someone with no aptitude for a task to give up, and focus their attention on something they might have a chance with, I'll laugh at anyone

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>>28802121
Yeah you're not fooling anyone brony dipshit

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>>28802168
I'm not trying to fool anyone. You're being suspiciously defensive. It seems you also don't understand the term is horsefucker, not brony.

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I can understand that he's taking a long time and his code may not be up to standard, but some of you faggots are taking it like a personal insult.

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>>28802212
It seems you don't understand that you're not a horsefucker, you're an off-site Ponychan faggot fuckboi like Gamefag and that's why I'm calling you a brony. Dipshit.

So that makes you new and stupid. Now fuck off back to where you came from.

>>28802231
More baseless accusations. Never been to Ponychan, but of course there's no way to prove it.

>So that makes you new and stupid. Now fuck off back to where you came from.
Right, whatever makes you feel better about yourself, newfag. Take your own advice.

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>>28802254
>talks like a little faggot
>posts obvious meme images plucked off MLFW, none of which have 4chan filenames
>doesn't understand why "brony" would be used an insult
>"b-baseless accusations" words used by no innocent person ever

I pronounce you guilty and sentence you to sucking Sethisto's babydick in the EqD comments section for a million years.

>>28802285
>>28802254
How about you just fucking ignore eachother

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>>28802307

>>28802285
>immediately resorts to calling whoever he doesn't like a faggot

>posts obvious meme images plucked off MLFW, none of which have 4chan filenames
Uh huh, not every image has to have a random string of numbers as a filename. You can rename them. Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images.

>doesn't understand why "brony" would be used an insult
Holy shit, thanks for the kek. Where did I say that?

>>"b-baseless accusations" words used by no innocent person ever
What else do you call it then? Do you want me to just straight up call you a retard?

I hereby exile you from /mlp/ for eternity, doomed to live forever with your Ponychan brethren.

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>>28802341
>Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images

Fucking kek. I rest my case

>>28802360
Bowing out I see. You've proved nothing, but whatever.

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>>28802381
You did most of the proving, true. Honestly it's usually easier (and funnier) to let newshits just blithely walk over the landmines themselves.

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>>28802341
>Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images

>>28802400
All I did was prove how much of an ignorant ass you are, and how new you are.

>Honestly it's usually easier (and funnier) to let newshits just blithely walk over the landmines themselves.
Agreed.

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>>28802433
>y-you... ignorant... ass!

You realize you sound like an eleven year old girl struggling to come up with something hurtful that won't get her in trouble with teacher right?

Or, you know. The Ponychan mods.

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>>28802341
>Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images.

>>28802454
You're absolutely hilarious. You're unable to comprehend when people are insulting you, and instead resort to projecting analogies. Good one.

>Or, you know. The Ponychan mods.
Do you know the Ponychan mods?

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>>28802511
I know that you still live in fear of them.

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>>28802341
tfw I literally have thousands of reaction images

>>28789027
C++ and Lua are great.

>>28802521
I don't keep bringing up Ponychan. If neither of us associate with Ponychan, then why use mods as an insult?

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>>28802121
>Do you go around randomly laughing at people you don't know?

>>28802341
>>immediately resorts to calling whoever he doesn't like a faggot

Welcome to 4chan, newfag.

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>>28802572
Because you need to go back there.

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>>28802341
>Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images.

>>28802587
Go back to a place I've never been to. Makes sense. Like I said, I don't keep bringing it up.

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>>28802627
You don't have to keep bringing it up. You just have to go back.

>>28802653
You're beyond help, anon. I'm not going anywhere because 4chan, specifically /mlp/, is my home. Maybe you'll feel the same someday.

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>>28802689
This place will never be your home, and you will never belong here, no matter what circlejerk general you take refuge in to get away from the meanie head horsefuckers.

You will always be a newfag, and a transplant, leeching like a parasite off of a culture built long before you came here by better anons than yourself.

has it occurred to you that the reason you keep getting flamed is that you keep arguing with us?

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>>28802341
>Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images.

>>28802723
Right, right. I belong here just as much as you do. Generals are cancer. They are bumpfests, and as you mentioned, circlejerks.

>meanie head horsefuckers.
Who's sounding childish now? Why go to a general when I can enjoy the whole board with you and every other faggot who crosses my path?

>You will always be a newfag, and a transplant, leeching like a parasite off of a culture built long before you came here by better anons than yourself.
You're projecting so hard, it's embarrassing. We are both part of the culture, not parasites. Instead of looking at newfags as cancer, look at them as untapped potential, like I do. You're so focused on keeping a stale, insular little "sekrit club". Together, we can surpass what was built by better anons than yourself.

Don't get me wrong, board culture is vitally important. Teach it, don't hoard it.

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Look, I'm sorry if I didn't take the advice given to me.
I didn't realize I was coming off as ignorant( which might be because of my own stupidity ).
I was just trying to give some context as to what I was planning on doing.

So can we try this again? Do you guys have any advice for me to improve the quality of the project?
inb4 >kys = quality +1

>>28800337
And that was my bad. Which is why I'm trying to clarify.

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>>28802341
>Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images

>>28802920
We've already given you shit ton of advice. Fuck the hell off and come back when you have a tangible game to show.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/28682113/
Read: >>28797520 >>28797647
>Around here we hold things to a fucking standard.
>if he makes another thread with anything less than a functioning demo with art, music, and mechanics in place I'm going to be right here to dropkick his dreams again because that's not making something for us, it's being an attention whore while dangling some ephemeral could-be in front of people's noses.

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>>28802341
>Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images.

>>28802653
>>28802689
>>28802723
>>28802872
Yo, I don't remember which of you is supposed to be the newfag, but from where I'm standing you both look like fucking retards.

>>28803031
>Fuck the hell off and come back when you have a tangible game to show.
I already do. But I got your point.

>>28802920
>Do you guys have any advice for me to improve the quality of the project?
The good ship "helpful advice" sailed a long fucking time ago. You literally had an entire thread where people gave you plenty of advice, and you proceeded to treat that like an Indian treats the designated shitting street.

>>28803092
Which is why I'm trying to turn over a new leaf.
No disrespect to the first thread.

>>28803116
Why should anyone be inclined to help you at this point? It's not like you'll ever deliver

>>28803142
Because I'm trying to make it right

>>28803091
>I already do
Wow, it took 20 minutes for you to go right back to your old behaviour
>>28803092
>>28803142
These guys are right, you'll never learn and you'll never deliver

>>28803116
No, Gamefag. There are no second chances. Welcome to 4chan. You're accomplishing nothing, and you're lingering in a thread responding to anons who told you what to do. Instead of shutting up and getting to work, you're attention whoring.

>Which is why I'm trying to turn over a new leaf.
>Because I'm trying to make it right
Does not fly. Do you understand? Do you comprehend?

>I already do. But I got your point.
Bullshit.

>>28803174
>Wow, it took 20 minutes for you to go right back to your old behaviour
What did I do now? I wasn't referring to the engine.
I switched to ren'py as you guys suggested just yesterday. It's not pretty, but I'm doing what I can.

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>>28802341
>not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images.
looks like you're the weird one here

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>>28803092
>like an Indian treats the designated shitting street.
thx for reminding me

>>28803238
Bruh. Do yourself a favor. Close tab, go work on your game, come back with a finished beta a few weeks or months from now and drop the trip

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>>28802341
>Not everyone is autistic enough to save thousands of random reaction images.
Put me in the screencap guys

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>>28802341
ZOOMED WORDS

>>28803277
I didn't create this thread. I'm just poking around because I'm the faggot in question.

>come back with a finished beta a few weeks or months from now and drop the trip
Alright, I'll do that

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It's people like the lot of you cum guzzling faggots bashing gamefag that are the reason artists today are such bitter, selfish cunts.

These people offer a legit contribution to whatever community they happen to make their art for, and assholes like all of you spew toxic shit at them.

It's no wonder so many artists have moved their shit to patreon, they're tired of fuckwads like you constantly patronizing them.

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>>28803359
TFW you realise this faggot is serious

>>28803359
Thanks but please don't get the ball rolling again

>>28803377
(you)s are a scarce commodity. Here, have one of mine and be careful about feeding them to trolls and spergs

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>>28803359
>what site is best for me to post my beloved creations on?
>deviantart? no
>eqd? no
>patreon? no
>reddit? no
>4chan?
>...
>perfect!

>>28803382
Why are you still here?

>>28803424
Alright I'm going, I'm going!

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>>28803359
>These people offer a shit contribution to whatever community they happen to make their art for
ftfy

>It's no wonder so many artists have moved their shit to patreon, they're tired of fuckwads like you constantly patronizing them.
TFW he doesn't realise that patreon bases it's business model on the idea of patronage
TFW he doesn't realise that someone who engages in patronage is a patron
TFW he doesn't realise that the literal purpose of a patron is to patronise someone
TFW like pottery

HELP ME IM LOST IN THIS CODE AND I NEED HELP, HOW DO I FIND MY WAY OUT OF THIS FUCKING MAZE?

>>28803456
Just do it at your own pace, I can share your pain in trying to code.
Better a game that's finished than a game that's rushed and buggy

>all this autism
Do any of you have any experience working on professional group projects? Jeez what a disaster of basic communication.

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>>28804053
what de fug m8

>>28788954
what the fuck is wrong with ren'py

>>28804448
You missed the part where this entire thread is low-effort shitposting. All the serious/useful discussion happened in the previous thread, and nothing has really changed since then. Note I'm specifically not saying that all the discussion in the previous thread was serious/useful.

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>>28789027
>being an engineer

>>28802559
Lua is my programming waifu, would marry.

>>28788954
VNs suck.

>>28789027
python is great
the questionable thing is making your own engine instead of using ren'py

>>28798278
Anon, what you need to understand is that when it comes to software architecture making changes becomes approximately exponentially more expensive (in terms of work hours) the later in the development you make those changes.
My concerns with your coding aren't that you don't use comments, but that your code lacks structure.
What is often a good approach is to seperate you code into modules, i.e. clusters of code that interacts strongly with itself but are only loosely connected to other clusters.
This will make it much easier to change something in the future (and you most likely will have to) because for example all the code for playing sound would be in one location and can be changed without having to change any of the other clusters for text or images.

To use the analogy of spaghettis what you need to do is not write on the spaghettis what their function is, but to take the noodles out of the pot and pull them apart on a table so there is a visible structure that can be understood without having to know the details of each noodle cluster.

All this may be fine now, but habits don't disappear overnight.
If you deliver code like this in a professional environment there's a good chance that people will yell at you, and not just over the internet.

>>28796060
Let me be blunt:
One of the reasons you're getting so much shit is because you keep engaging people who think you're a total faggot who won't ever deliver and just wants attention.
The only post you should have made in this thread should have been:
>"Yes, you will in approximately <INSERT RELEASE ESTIMATION OF THE FIRST CHAPTER HERE>"
There is no benefit to your project or it's reputation from you continually posting in this thread and you're simply not taking the standard precautions to avoid getting shit on.

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>>28806311