Show Apologists

>>28615585
I think the show is pretty great.

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>>28615585

>>28615681
That's what I say to the curerent writers and directors.

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>>28615790
>curerent
Don't you mean Kuririn?

>>28615585
Exit this box full of idiots who will never amount to anything in their life.

Poloniex.com

Start crypto trading. Opportunities are everywhere just be patient. The current stock is Pot coin.

If you ever manage to get at least 300k spare dollars then you can hire a studio to make a pony show similar to mlp fim.

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>>28616208
>cryptoshit trader
>claims other people are the idiots who will never amount to anything

This can't possibly be real.

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Yep. They're infuriating, as if there's a point to pretending to like what you don't. Or as if you have to stop watching because you like something less than you did in the past.

Starlight Glimmer is an intentionally sociopathic character inserted to grate on adult sensibilities but fly over the heads of target-audience children. She is there to assault your waifu repeatedly and get away with it, often if not exclusively using magical means only an adult mind would comprehend the horror of being subject to. It's incredibly obvious.

This is just one of a continuing series of assaults upon male, adult viewers which are Hasbro-directed attempts to purify their intellectual property. They've figured out they're not getting rid of the "beta" males but betas don't troll, they don't have political opinions that make people uncomfortable and they look down on the porn or are at least a detriment to porn artist culture.

Combine this with slamming anything that gets too interesting with a C&D even as merch bootleggers run circles around them and you have a culture being squeezed to death as if by a boa constrictor.

I mean, I shouldn't even be here, everyone like me left. I think Starlight is my poison, though, I can't stand sociopaths and I especially can't stand their apologists. They finally nailed me, I guess. They even picked out the nicest male as the first pony she would assault and get in no trouble for. I really, really hate her. Not sure I can handle feeling this hated by the staff, it's just not healthy.

>>28615585
Holy shit stop watching the show if you hate it so much.

>>28615585
>>28615319 Triggered?

>>28615585
Believe me, once you skip an episode, quitting altogether becomes much easier.

I imagine people like OP would go on a batshit rant if their 4 year old daughter watched a season 6 episode and calling her buzzwords like "hasdrone" and "jew"

Seriously, have we really reached a point where it's taboo to like a new episode? Get off your high horse psuedo-oldfag

>>28616553
It's not that I have a problem with people liking the episodes, it's that I have a problem with people not admitting that they like a flawed episode.
People are trying to pretend that there's nothing wrong with the episode just because they enjoy it, but that's not true. There are (and always have been) logistical faults with FiMs storytelling.
We've reached the point where everyone want to put on blinders and just say "I liked it. There's nothing wrong with the episode. You're an asshole for pointing out flaws."

I think deep down they all know the show is dying, but they desperately refuse to see it. They can't handle any discussion that seeks to identify particular flaws anymore.

>>28616595
Idunno, that sounds like whenever I point out S1 flaws.

>>28615585
To answer why there's even defenders

>Folks still expect Game of Thrones or even DBZ levels of idealism vs cynicism from a show that started out jammed so far u pop idealism's metaphorical ass a dentist could extract it.

>The constant power level debates.

>Nit picking genre conventions that even the holy seasons had (easy forgiveness, weirdness regarding the characters, lore ultimately fashioned that sometimes seems inconsistent, use of cliché plots) had.

>Being so overly concerned with the openers and finales as though they're the only episodes that matter, even when shit is put in the season that points towards the finale anyways.

>the whole idea that Lauren or more recently Meghan wouldn't have any of the problems said to be problems, often in spite of solid evidence to the contrary.

>Thinking that even an intelligent episodic kids show is going to be on the level of Joyce or hell even Brooks.

Want me to go on.

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>>28616595

This. They've culled the people who would have directed discussions about flaws and give suggestions to the staff, either directly or because they sometimes lurk /mlp/. Various disappointments took them down wave by wave, everything from Flash Sentry to C&Ding Fighting is Magic to keep the IP from escaping their memetic control. The fact a google image search will turn up porn when you try any pony's name is, in fact, cutting into the bottom line of an IP they intend to hold on to. This isn't an anime and isn't HBO, they don't have to be creative or stop after X years, they could easily make money on this IP for 10-15 more years, they're already making spinoffs.

I can't believe they did one glrious anti-SJW two part episode and them, bam, show staff changes and now the throwaway SJW villain character shows up with mary sue power levels and zero respect for the autonomy of other living things, willing to assault them with force fields and mind control at any moment. Gee, I wonder why that happened?

You know how they say the cockroaches will inherit the earth should there ever be a nuclear war? Well, ponychan types who genuinely believe in "love and tolerance" and that "clopping is gross" will inherit the show the way cockroaches would inherit the radioactive earth.

Heh, they even got rid of Celestiafags by just never, ever giving her dialogue.

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You know what I do when I stop liking a TV series? What I did when Angel got so emo and silly I couldn't take it seriously? What I did when Bleach fell apart completely after Aizen was beaten?

I STOPPED WATCHING!

Did I refuse to talk about the show? No, I discussed what I liked about it when I was a fan and stated why I stopped watching and left it at that.

I did not barge into every conversation about the show, insult everyone and try to drown out all other opinion with my clarion call of "ITS SHIT, ITS SHIT, ITS SHIT...", no one cares that you don't like it and no one wants to hear your moaning. They came to thread to have a fun conversation about the topic at hand not listen to you belly ache that the magic has gone for you.

I used to be deep in the YTP community but eventually it got boring so I moved on with my life and followed other interests. Its time for you faggots to let the pony show go, you don't like it or anything about it so why bother coming back here? Have you no other life outside of this show? Haven't you got better things to do that sit about inserting your unwanted opinions into conversations that never asked you for one?

>>28616719
I completely agree. With them out of the way we could enjoy the show again.

Make it great again

>>28616710
>Mary Sue Power Levels
>Zero respect for the autonomy of other living things.
Uh anon, I think you may want to sit down an watch the following
Mary Sue Power Levels: Pilot, Return of Harmony, anything involving a certain unicorn before her ascension.
Zero Respect for the Autonomy of other living things: Lesson Zero (holy fuck how can you forget this), Keep Calm and Flutter On, in all technicality The Cutie Map before Startlight Glimmadome, owner of the Glimmsdale Glimmadome revealed her true colors.

Seriously A main character there since Season 1 has the problems you're discussing, I mean fuck before Glimmer there was a certain main character that was called a Mary Sue from S2 onwards.

>>28616477
>I think Starlight is my poison
mine too, I can't stand her

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>>28615585
>waaa you didn't format your opinions correctly

Cringe to the max.

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Fuck Sunset Shitter or what ever her name is she is probaly one of the main reason why I hate this season aswell as there not being many good episodes

>>28616821
IKR I hate Nyx for ruining season 5!

"Stop liking what I don't like!"

>>28616784
>Lesson Zero (holy fuck how can you forget this)
you mean the one where she immediatly panics after seeing the spell effects?
starlight went the whole ep thinking brainwashing was fine, she stopped only because her plan didn't end well, she was still trying to find a brainwashing spell

>>28616644
I'm not going to pretend that the early seasons didn't have issues. I clearly remember similar hate for episodes like Feeling Pinkie Keen, Over a barrel, Owl's well that ends well, Mare do well, and MMMystery, regarding characterization and story logic.

I think we naturally expect these problems to be resolved over time as the show matures, but that's not necessarily how it works. The writing staff changes so we see the same issued over and over.
You could even make the case that the show has been highly consistent over it's run, with roughly every season having 1/4 Great episodes, 1/4 pretty decent episodes, 1/4 meh episodes, and 1/4 hated episodes.

I liked the early seasons a lot because the character interactions were fresh and often cleverly detailed, the songs were quite good and unique, and the world was developing before our eyes. I think episodes like Suited for success, the best night ever, and winter wrap up had such
a great mix of character interactions/development, an interesting and believable plot, quality music, and quality visuals that They really stand out in my mind as being stellar episodes. I haven't quite seen any episodes since that have such a holistic feel of "pony" to them.

I could pick out a couple episodes from the last season that had a good story, and I could pick out a couple that had decent songs, and most of the animation now is pretty refined, but I just don't see the good all-rounders like we had in earlier seasons.

>>28616719
I still watch because I like pone. I'm just not willing to sit back and act like everything is perfect and just have a happy circle-jerk with everyone. People like you should stop taking it as a personal attack when flaws are pointed out in the show.
To completely, blindly ignore flaws and pretend the don't exist just so you can live in ignorant bliss does a disservice to the fandom and intellectual discussion. We were critics from beginning of the show and we will be to the end.

>>28616821
Here's the odd thing, there wasn't any great episodes, or so bad it's horrible episodes. It just felt average. Hell even the only halfway good Spike episode fell into that problem.

I think this consistency might actually be why people are noticing more and more shit that's been around for ages, but was covered up by the fact that the episodes were forgettable average shit between sing praises, or burn the fucker.

>>28615585
Nice mental illness you've got there.

>>28616843
>Lesson Zero
Where she thought it was a good idea in the first place, and only panicked after the three she was trying to control accidentally made it get out of hand.

Also ignoring that her first idea of reforming Discord was not, lets try to befriend him, but, let's mind rape him.

See >>28616848 for why I think it's only now becoming a huge issue. I mean can anybody name a Season 6 (or hell even 5) episode that had the this is fucking Awesome of say Winter Wrap Up, or show fucking ruined of say Mare Do Well? Consistency is actually turning ito the enemy of the show.

>>28616875
Nice shitpost you've got there.

>>28616875
He's not just misbehaving

>>28616851
I've noticed that, S6 its pretty much the new S3, mostly forgettable but with main developments that turns that forgettable reaction into one of anger (making twilight an alicorn, the complete shit show that was new glimmer's character)

>>28616848
But must you post that fact that you don't like season 6 in every single fucking thread then sit there responding to every single post telling them their a shill for not joining you in your hate wank even thought the thread wasn't even about peoples thoughts on whether an episode was good or not.

Unless the thread is an episode discussion thread there is no reason for you to barge in and derail the conversation with part one million on your ode to how much you hated episode X.

>>28616851
I think it's been worse this season because all the good episode have been in the first half

I really don't understand most of the hate for Season 6, I liked at least half of the episodes this season.

>>28616901
Basically that's it, and even Glimmer's new character fell firmly into average aside from maybe the finale (more parallels).

Like seriously Season 5 is still mostly a blur for me, and Season 6 (because I had to actually catch up because of fucking no time to watch) is turning into more of the same.

>>28616928
I'm combining the middle of what some folks have been doing for episode good or bad opinon (usually into okay on the good side and meh on the bad) to just, okay or average.

>>28616946
Personal opinon, people are finally noticing problems that have been around for a good long while.

>>28616946
Have you actually read any of the arguments for/against the season and you really don't understand or are you just saying that because you just want to show your support for the show?
What about the season specifically did you enjoy?

>>28616926
So what, I'm only allowed to mention opinions in the 3 threads that are actually about the show? Every other fucking thread on this board is a green text general, equestria girls nude edit, or fat pony fetish thread.

>all these sheeple waking up
>only now

Welcome to the real world.

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>>28616784

I meant Starlight, but if you ask me Twilight's character is degenerating. She's the ultimate and perhaps first example of this strategy from Hasbro, to the point they forced it on the series creator and she actually quit over it. We loved Faust before that point and the emergence of anti-Faust show apologists has been a unique disappointment. We'll never get to see the rest of the functional-pony-universe she created from childhood and nothing will really ever make up for that. Meanwhile Twilight gains creepy authoritarian overtones - something only adults would be uncomfortable with, people old enough to have only government itself as the primary source of authority in their life. Monarchy and the existence of a noble class went from a cute background element that was harmless because of the nature of ponies to an increasingly real system of genuine authority. That's the real bait and switch of Twi. Basically they took the evil they wanted Twi to grow into and are able to do much more with it without risking changing a winning formula more than they know how. Twi can't give up her respect for others without regressing so much as a character it would cause too many problems too quickly. Instead they can just give Starlight a case of Fluttershy Syndrome where she learns the same lesson over and over.

>>28616848

Yeah, there's always been rotten egg episodes. I think the early ones were perhaps mistakes, but I'm being forgiving, it's entirely possible they were written to annoy. Spike's always been in the crosshairs for no reason, Feeling Pinkie Keen is I think the prototype of the intentional rotten egg episode, cute throughout but with an entirely insipid message meant to annoy adults.

Mare-do-Well is where the strategy truly emerged, take a character who's fan-base is becoming too annoying and do something that would result in tragedy in real life.

Basically, they're getting better at it, more targeted, more meme savvy.

>>28616982
I'd agree that mediocrity is the problem.

The people looking for the exceptional episodes are left dissapointed because there are no more, so they claim that everything is shit.

The people that are looking for a good average level of quality in the show are satisfied because, on average, the show is still decent, but with less extremes.

I fall slightly into the first camp. I absolutely love this show when it's at it high points. It's OK when it's average, but there are a lot of other shows that are OK and average as well.
If we don't get a least a few gems each season I do come away a little dissapointed.

>>28617044
Do you believe things would improve if the show weren't in the hands of a company of completely bumbling amateurs?

>>28617044
It's been there for a while, even during the Faust influenced seasons. And we had the whole seeing her pony universe from episode three on. Once it stopped being written by Faust, it was its own thing.

Also Episodes aren't written weeks beforehand, Mare-Do-Well, was written before the Bronies were really a thing, let alone Dashfags. Why do people forget that the second season was being written as the first unfolded, to the point that May the Best Pet win was written almost a year before the episode even aired. The fact that it's six seasons in and people still think this way proves that we might want to hold back on some types of criticism.

>>28617008
"Oh hey Steve hows it going?"
"Well I was just playing the new FNAF game, sister location and was thinking it would be cool if the did one based in an amusement park..."
"Hey that sounds cool, they could...oh wait here come anon...hey anon we were just talking about how cool a FNAF game based in an amusement park would be..."
"FNAF 3 AND 4 WERE TOTAL SHIT, A TOTAL RETREAD OF THE FIRST TWO GAMES, I THOUGHT THE ROBOTS WERE SHIT!"
"Err, we were talking about all the possibility of one in an amusement park?"
"YOUR JUST A SHILL AND AN APOLOGIST, FNAF IS SHIT NOW, ITS BEEN SHIT FOR EVER, I PLAYED THE LAST ONE AND IT WAS SHIT!"

>This is you

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I don't care.

>>28612763
>I get criticized for making a thread about how tiresome this board's attitude is
>"MAKE A THREAD ABOUT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT"
>shit like >>28615585 still happens anyway
>and then "LE STILL WATCHES THE SHOW" bullshit like >>28617027 right on schedule

How am I wrong about this board? How?

>>28616879
>Name a Season 6 episode that was awesome
A Hearthswarming Tail

>Name a Season 5 episode that was awesome
Amending Fences

>Name a Season 6 episode that was terrible
28 Pranks Later

>Name a Season 5 episode that was terrible
Actually you've got me here, Season 5 was really good and didn't have any episodes I would consider terrible.

I think the big problem people are having with Season 6 is that it IS inconsistent, episode quality has been all over the place this season. Some episodes were amazing while others were mediocre or even terrible. It's created a divide in the fanbase over whether the season is good or bad.

>>28617177
You haven't killed you'reself yet

>>28617179
Appleoosa's Most Wanted and Princess Spike were both sub par, every season has had good and bad episodes. I think its this board that has devolved as opposed to the show.

>>28617265
Your board deserves to burn and you know it.

You sad shits have taken /v/'s mentality and applied it to a saccharine show about magical ponies for seven-year old girls. It's fucking pathetic.

>>28617270
I think there has been a general shift in the board (and fandom in general) to where a lot of people that are now involved are newer and only came into the show around season 4.

This would explain all the defensiveness when people start saying that earlier seasons were better. It's hard to feel that way if you just weren't involved in early seasons.

It also explains the lack of concrete comparison between episodes like we used to have.

Now it's just "This season's great because I liked it a lot."

>>28617296
>it's just a kid's show

How do you even breathe?

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>>28617095

Yes. Also I think this may be ideological, a considerable portion of those on the political left harbor a postmodernism-derived dislike of millenial males, particularly white males of which this fandom is largely comprised of. People will try to leap down my throat with "Faust is a feminist!", so she says, but so does Christina Hoff Sommers, they're simply refusing to give over an ideology that helped them become confident women to the reality-warping postmodernistic hate that's been slowly consuming it. I think the show would be better off in the hands of people who don't, consciously or unconsciously, hate us.

The whole appeal of MLP was it's world being free of the sort of problems real life has right now, it's a chillout thing. A genuinely beneficent monarch, perfect race and gender relations, the biggest problems in the world of Minature Technicolor Horses are how to be better friends and the occasional utterly ridiculous magical creature.

>>28617140

So they claim. As I said though those were likely mis-steps, bronies not being a thing yet being a fairly good reason why they'd make such minor missteps. But it's clearly gone beyond that, Twilicorn and onward contains a quickening drumbeat of bad ideas that seem more intentional and more targeted each time, as if slowly finding the correct angle to fire a mortar at by at first trial and error - but now it's become a slaughter. There's simply no way Starlight being an SJW terror is not on purpose. I remember when those episodes came out and everyone breathed a sigh of relief that the staff weren't the SJW sympathizers a slowly collecting body of evidence, mostly tweets, had led us to believe. Then staff changes and she just shows right back up ready to Mindrape Your Waifu in like every third episode. You can imagine what was said behind closed doors to affect this quick change of attitude, SJW frequently cull their own who's beliefs about 'systematic oppression' aren't extreme enough.

>>28617410
Come on. Do you really think they are masterfully crafting these episodes to drive away the older audience while retaining the core?

I think the simplest, and more likely solution is that the show is getting old and the current staff just doesn't care like the original staff did.

>>28617095
this is also one of the main reasons, S6 was produced by pretty much the B team, at least the movie might be good

>>28617179
>Season 5 was really good and didn't have any episodes I would consider terrible
>Princess Spike
>What About Discord?
>The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows
>Castle Sweet Castle
>not some of the absolute worst of the show
Opinion discarded

>>28617322
I wouldn't have to use this justification if you weren't pastel pony /v/.

At least /v/ has years and years of game industry bullshit to chip away at their optimism. Everything here happened in the span of five years centered around a single franchise.

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>>28617460

Maybe, I mean, cynicism is mentally a global effect, I do think Starlight is intentional, but the more minor mistakes driving average bronies up the wall may simply be the staff's cynicism about the show and it's situation. It's all sort of linked, sabotaging your own fandom can't be very much fun as an artist, so much so I think it's a corporate directive to discourage our presence and contributions just as it was a corporate directive to make Twilight into an alicorn to sell toys. What started out as our displeasure with things not truly involving us became a strategy which intentionally reproduces similar circumstances. Hasbro lives or dies by owning and marketing intellectual property and MLP is one of their hottest properties, we shouldn't underestimate what they'd be willing to do to increase it's value by even a small margin.

Yes, I know that I should never assume malice where stupidity will suffice but I don't think stupidity on it's own is a sufficient explanation for more recent developments. Or for the fact that Hasbro doesn't C&D anything until bronies in particular get exited about it, there's a lot of stuff they could C&D they just never touch.

I have modified this diagram to illustrate what I think is happening.

>>28617320
You do realize that not every early season faggot is Faust was excellent. Especially not those who routinely rewatch the early seasons to keep nostalgic bullshit at bay.

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>>28616595
>>28615585
>people criticize the pilot and the people who liked it
>faggots like you continue to watch the show up until the sixth season
>suddenly when you don't like it, everyone is lying to themselves about liking it

You people have serious mental issues.

>>28618219
Hell people are starting to even criticize some sacred cow episodes.

>>28615835
Phone, auto correct, guess my country.
Also, Krillin in Equestria: tries to help out against an evil invasor, he's owned so many times that Twilight hires him as the new Spike.

>>28616485
Stop reading negative comments if they trigger you so hard, Jim.

>>28620120
Any of the DBZ humans would basically be One Punch Man in almost any other setting. Especially after King Kai's training.

>>28615585
>Fan of the fandom

>>28617410
>>28617798

Truthfully, I agree with >>28617460 . You said it yourself, never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence. Both A Hearth's Warming Tail and Every Little Thing She Does were written by Michael Vogel, a long-standing production team member, but completely new to actually writing stuff according to IMDB. The former was an episode which had characters outright laughing at the notion that hard work is a good thing, instead of telling the correct "All work and no play..." moral they appeared to be going for going for. Given that, and the events of Every Little Thing where casual mind-rape is made out to be a bad thing, but paradoxically also winds up being just kind of shrugged off in the end, it really seems to me more like Vogel is just an incompetent who doesn't think through the implications of what he writes well enough, sort of like what happened with Feeling Pinkie Keen back in the day.

If it WAS a grand plan, I would have expected the following to occur:

1: Have more than two non-premier/finale episodes about Starlight. Note that Hearth's Warming Tail doesn't count because her character model and voice is just playing the role of a pony!Scrooge. It isn't really about Starlight herself.
2: Have Every Little Thing She Does actually amount to something rather than winding up as its own self-contained example of stupid that everyone had completely forgotten about by the time To Where and Back Again came around, whereas No Second Prances is pivotal to what ultimately happens in To Where and Back. You'll note also that No Second Prances was written by Nick Confalone, instead of Michael Vogel.
3: Try to create a re-branded, good-guy "done right this time" version of Starlight's original "equality" message Instead they had Starlight be so terrified of her cult leader-metaphor past that she never wants to be in charge of anything again, utterly disregarding Every Little Thing in its entirety.

(cont.)

>>28615585
Sounds like you are just a jaded faggot that needs to kill himself.

>>28623170

So yes. Ultimately, I really don't think it's a program to make us go away. Consider also that I'm pretty sure the more visible (especially to Hasbro) work-a-day Bronies (you know how /mlp/ complains about Ponychanners a lot?) on places like Equestria Daily are, I would think, much more likely to have social justice sympathies than we in the minority of /mlp/ers. >>28617471 .

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a shitty self-contained Michael Vogel episode that means nothing outside of itself and will never be brought up again is just a shitty self-contained Michael Vogel episode that means nothing outside of itself and will never be brought up again.

>>28623189

Slight correction. I meant to say I think >>28617471 has the right of it as to why season 6 has been overall not as great as we've been used to with the show. Not sure how that entire sentence got cut, but oh well.

This board needs a serious shake up, in terms of contrarian attitudes.

>>28615585
>still watching the show
Sorry, but fan of the fandom is the only way to win. Showfags can stay mad.

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>>28623270
>showfags
It's actually come to this.

Atleast you can spot fags of the fandumb with all their 'stay mad' and 'lol ok jim' faggotry.

>>28623270
I watch the show and I am not mad, I am just enjoying it. I think S6 was flawed season as every is but it was definetelly great in many areas.

It kind of pales in comparison to S6. But other than that I can't say I was too terribly disapointing or distraught with it.

>>28623308
Sorry but there's nothing more sorry and autistic than you showfags.
>get mad at superior fans of the fandom
>turn right around and complain about the show
kys

>>28623526
>kys
Look out, kid, your teachers coming.