How come Starlight Shitter was given a redemption

>>28577504
Agreed.

Sombra was redeemed in the comics and got an even worse redemption than Starlight Glimmer did. Imagine if instead of making Starlight her protege, Twilight just let her go with no consequences for her actions along with her primary enabler?

>>28577504
Praise for our immortal god /mlp/. This Anon.

>>28577552
Honestly Starlight still has the worst redemption. At least in the Sombra comic, his actions are understandable.

And honestly, being a student of the princess is a fucking reward Starlight doesn't deserve. She deserves to be cellmates with Tirek.

>>28577580
Being Twilight's student is a punishment, not a reward.

>>28577584
>Getting to be trained by a Princess is punishment
So Twilight was punished by Celestia too huh?

It's letting her know how to use her magic properly, when she shouldn't be allowed to use magic ever again. She should have her horn sawed off or whatever incapitates Unicorns from casting magic.

The crystal heart isn't as forgiving as the elements of harmony.

>>28577596
>rape

>>28577596
Yes, yes she was.

>>28577596
The Equestria Games appeared to have some kind of binding spell for unicorn horns as a security measure. I wonder if pony prisons do something similar?

>>28577504
Perspective and intention.

>Perspective
Nothing that Starlight did actually mattered. If what she did created alternate universes then what she did ultimately reversed them all one by one. Or if those universes were always there and she just bridged the gap between them then what she did didn't actually matter; nothing that happened in those universes was her fault if they were always going to happen regardless.

>Intention
She didn't want to destroy the world, nor did she know she was doing it. Yes, she wanted to fuck with history by making sure Twilight never met her friends but she didn't know (having lived in isolation for years) how important Twilight had been. She wanted revenge against Twilight, not to destroy the world. In the grand scheme of things it's a much smaller crime than anything Sombra did.

>inb4 "But manslaughter is still a crime, even if you didn't intend to murder someone"
But what Starlight did didn't actually have any lasting effects. They went back to the regular timeline and she was willing to be punished. She was quite clearly remorseful.

I won't deny it's dumb whenever they introduce a villain and don't even put the effort in to see if they're redeemable; the show is called "friendship is magic" and not once did they ever actually use "friendship" against the bad guys; just the elements of harmony or some other such magical stone.

But the writers knew it was dumb, people complained for years that always killed the villain using mcguffins rather than friendship and then the one time they genuinely make friends with a villain everyone bitched about it. I agree, Glimmer's redemption was rushed in the end of an episode that spent way too long jerking itself off with these alternate timelines rather than redeeming Glimmer. But fuck the newfags who complains that they redeemed Glimmer because she's "irredeemable", like every other god damn villain they complained about being defeated.

>>28577596
Gee, you'd think turning the future upside down would be a good dot in the lesson on when to not use magic.

>>28577618
>they went beck to the regular timeline

but the alternate ones as a result of Starlight's meddling still exist.

>>28577631
therefore, since Twilight saw it and the timelines still exist, she is still responsible for a mass genocide of billions of ponies.

>>28577631
>>28577637
How do you know they still exist? And if they still exist, what is there to say they didn't always exist? And if they always existed then it isn't Starlight's fault at all.

>>28577649
Multiverse theory. And, they most likely would have existed, as the Mane Six made decisions during battles with their nemeses, however, Starlight is the first example in canon to meddle with history in such a dramatic way, we can believe, those realities didn't exist before. Also. Why didn't Alicorn Twilight + Spike cease to exist when Starlight changed the past?

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>>28577649
When Twilight is sucked back into the portal each time it still shows everything staying there as she warps away. Also even if those timelines already existed they wouldn't have turned out so shitty if glim didn't fuck them up.

>>28577618
>In the grand scheme of things it's a much smaller crime than anything Sombra did.

So going back in time, and ruining someone's life is okay.

>Using the "it's another timeline, so it doesn't matter" argument.

That is the weakest justification to Glimmer's redemption. Every time someone messes with time, it changes events that no one could've seen coming. Even if they do it for the reasons, that is never a justifiable reason, as what could happen to the present, and future is thrown into the unknown. She even show what could happen if she went through with her plan. Her response is this is fake.

No there is no way to justify her redemption, especially when you realize how quickly she was forgiven compared to other reformed villains.

>>28577733
<3 Anon.

>>28577669
>>28577699
That's not how multiverse theory works. Starlight was just the catalyst for shifting Twilight's perspective - because at the end of the day Twilight was the only pony from the regular timeline who actually experience the alternate timelines - onto the timelines for the alternate universes. Once she'd bridged the gaps between the universe they were in and the intended destination, she'd just send Twilight to that future, assuming that she'd just be friendless and alone.

>>28577761
But another Twilight somewhere else would have friends. So, is she going to go to every universe and do the same thing to make sure she never has friends? ever?

>>28577733
>So going back in time, and ruining someone's life is okay.
"Much smaller crime" and "absolutely okay" are two completely different things. Glimmer didn't actually directly hurt anyone like Sombra did. She had malicious intent, but not malicious intent to destroy/take over the world like Sombra did.

>She even show what could happen if she went through with her plan. Her response is this is fake.
What the fuck are you trying to say? Are you saying Glimmer's response to being shown the ruined universe, where she's in denial and coming to terms with how awful her actions were, is fake?

>>28577773
Key word there being assumed. Clearly she had no idea what she was doling with the spell, and she's been shown ever since to experiment and mess around with spells with unpredictable results.

>>28577796
If she was testing a raw, unstable spell. WHY THE FUCK DID SHE MAKE IT A TIME TRAVEL SPELL?

>>28577811
She clearly wasn't "testing" it, not in a way to imply that she was just trying it out to see how it went. She just didn't know exactly what it'd do. She clearly had an idea what it'd do because she planned the whole thing out.

Regardless, what does "going to every universe to make sure no Twilight has friends" have to do with any of this?

>>28577785
>Didn't hurt anybody.
>Zapped Dash.
>Used Twilight to zap Dash.
>Created an obstacles that made Dash crash.

Yeah, Glimmer was a total saint.

> Are you saying Glimmer's response to being shown the ruined universe, where she's in denial and coming to terms with how awful her actions were, is fake?

No I'm saying before her "This is why I'm doing this." reveal, she was completely in denial about how her plan could of caused that time line to happen, so she thought it was fake. She even said so prior to being shown.

>Starlight Glimmer: Up for another race-ending fight, Twilight?
>Twilight Sparkle: No. You were right. I can't stop you.
>Twilight Sparkle: But you can't stop me from trying, and we could be stuck doing this for all eternity!
>Starlight Glimmer: If that's what it takes to keep you and your friends from getting your cutie mark connection, then I'm game!
>Twilight Sparkle: What you're doing goes way beyond cutie marks! Everything we do here in the past – even the smallest change – can snowball into an avalanche of trouble for the future!
>Starlight Glimmer: Oh, next I suppose you'll tell me that "the fate of all of Equestria hangs in the balance"!
>Twilight Sparkle: It does!
>Starlight Glimmer: Spare me your overblown ego! No group of friends, not even Princess >Twilight's, is that important!
>[magic zap]
>Young Rainbow Dash: Aaaaaaah!
>Twilight Sparkle: I don't know how important other ponies' friendships are to the future, but I can show you what the world is like without mine! that timeline.


>Starlight Glimmer: Where are we?!
>Twilight Sparkle: The future. Or rather, the present.
>Starlight Glimmer: But there's nothing here!
>Twilight Sparkle: I wish I could say I was surprised. But every world I come back to is worse than the last. I don't know why my friends and I are so important to Equestria, but we are.
>Starlight Glimmer: I don't believe you!

Do you Glimfags even watch the show?

>>28577847
The alternate universe, which the show brought upon itself mind you. Twilight will always have friends in a universe. Just as their will always be a variation of the timeline where 'X villain' will win.

>>28577504
>why no sombra
If I tried to look at it from the writer's perspective, Sombra was irredeemable because he was designed that way. Starlight wasn't so we get her as the new Scrappy Doo (see Cadence, her hellspawn and arguably Twilicorn for other examples)

You can't reason your way to excuse Starlight's actions because the writers had zero intent on doing so.

I can't help it if cartoon writers are all loosey goosey on the logic behind a show, making Starlight seem to be a pyschopath without thinking about it. They see mind control as wacky cartoon hijinks because the new writers and overseers think kids are stupid and don't give a shit. The majority of kids don't and the cycle continues.

That's just the way the world works.

>>28577874
>>Zapped Dash.
>>Used Twilight to zap Dash.
>>Created an obstacles that made Dash crash.
Holy shit, prosecuted for the crime of zapping someone. Fuck me. In alternate timelines mind you, so none of it actually happened to real universe Dash.

>she was completely in denial about how her plan could of caused that time line to happen
I want to call shenanigans that you don't even watch the show but you provided the exact fucking line.

>Starlight Glimmer: Spare me your overblown ego! No group of friends, not even Princess Twilight's, is that important!

We can spend days arguing whether she didn't know Twilight had saved the world because she'd lived in isolation for years or if she just assumed that someone else would had saved the world in her place etc. Fact of the matter is she just assumed that the world would keep on ticking like normal; that Celestia would find a way etc. Without the knowledge that we have there is no reason for her to think otherwise.

>>28577978
>In alternate timelines mind you

It was the main timeline past Dash you idiot, there was nothing alternate about it.

>prosecuted for the crime of zapping someone.
>Glimmer didn't actually directly hurt anyone

Hey anon, can you teach me how to ride a bike backwards? You seen really good at it.

>Without the knowledge that we have there is no reason for her to think otherwise.

Except she knows that Twilight's a princess, except that without her, all the things that Twilight and co. prevented would have happen without a hitch. You have to study up on your enemy if you want to beat them, so it's impossible that Glimmer knows next to nothing about Twilight.

>>28577504
So much this. Sombra enslaved them and sooner or later he'd grow weak or old. What Glimmer did was outright mind rape.

Not that it would work in the long run, too. Socialism is unnatural to human genetics. When assuming Equestria is a utopia we can properly assume Glimmer's ideology to meet a similar fate as the "red fascists" are getting in Eastern Europe, egarding how closely knit the social relations there and in Equestria are.

>>28577733
What exactly is immoral about changing history? You say it's because we wouldn't know the outcome, but the same is true of every action we take in the present. I would remind you that Twilight herself once traveled back in time in an attempt to change history.

What makes Starlight's actions wrong is the malicious intent, not the time travel itself. Going back in time to ruin someone's life is arguably no worse than just ruining someone's life the old fashioned way.

>>28578988
>What exactly is immoral about changing history?

Let's say someone changed the outcome of WWI. They manage to calm France down, and made the Treaty of Versailles not make Germany pay that massive debt. Well maybe WWII doesn't happen, but then Japan becomes a world power, and takes over Korea, and China unopposed.

Changing history has a bigger complications than you not going to the store today, or saying hi to that girl you like. Changing history as effect on much more than your life, which is why each timeline was worse than the last. Things that would've been stopped before, just happen. Political parties that may not have won, win without question.

Don't mess with history is Back to the Future's main conflict, as even the tiniest thing could undo even a person's life entirely, and this movie isn't the only one to have this conflict either.

>>28577504
Starlight's entire arc is just a way to show that Twilight's title has any meaning beyond just being the world's police

>>28579092
Changing history could just as well lead to a more positive outcome on a global scale. How likely is it the timeline we know of is the best possible outcome?

>>28579183
The problem is you can never know, and honestly it's much better to expect something bad will happen. I can't think of an example where someone goes back in time with ine goal in mind, achieves it, and things turn out better.

I mean, look at 11/23/63. In the novel, the characters believed preventing JFK's assissination would have also prevent numerous other catastrophes, but when the maim character actually saves Kennedy, it causes an unforeseen chain of events to destroy the world.

Honestly it's a better bet to never touch the timeline and assume you're going to fuck up everything.

>>28579183
It could, but you don't know that. Lest say someone goes back, and helps the Native Americans kick the British off of North American soil. Then what? Well first off, the USA isn't created, and that means a lot of other things aren't created, or created by someone else. Influential people that were born in the USA no longer exist. There is no one to help the Allies during WWI, and Germany wins, what then? There are too many unknowns to honestly say changing this is for the better.

>>28579092
It's a given that changing history can have drastic consequences. What I don't see is why that's a bad thing? Why should any potential timeline be seen as less legitimate than the current one? Who's to say whether or not it's worth the risk of creating a bad future in the hopes of creating a better one?

If you ask me, the only real difference between the actions of someone from the future and someone in the present is the degree of perspective. Aren't we actually more ignorant of the consequences of our actions than someone from the future would be?

>>28579234
>I can't think of an example where someone goes back in time with ine goal in mind, achieves it, and things turn out better.
You realize you're talking about fictional accounts as if they can really tell us anything about what time travel would entail, right? We can't say how accurate they are, because they are entirely speculative.

The idea that the smallest change can "ruin" history is amusing for sci fi to explore (which is probably why there aren't many "everything went according to plan" time travel stories), but realistically I think things would end up about as good/bad as they would be anyway. History isn't a sacred sequence of events, it's just a bunch of random bullshit, and all the regular bullshit would probably balance out the time travel bullshit. That's how I see it.

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>>28577504
>He was protrecting his own umbrum people from the vile crystal heart.
> Sombrero Got tortured, forces to do things against those crystal thurds, banished 1000, invented a whole fucking story about how he rules for years like a complete bastard, killed and in his death They all danced and have a great day
>"King Sombra is a monster", " his black heart", "pure hate"
>Mfw

>>28577504
Because it's a show for girls. Sombra's a guy and is therefore always bad and never worth a thing. Why else do you think that male characters are never important and never relevant?

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>>28579603
What about spike, Big Mac, flim flam, the giant jam bottle fetish guy, rarity dad and fluttershy dad?

>>28577504
>merely trying to take over the Crystal Empire?
Except he wanted to enslave everything and would have taken over all of Equestria if given the chance. Glimmer was just a jackass who had know clue what he actions had done.

>>28579815
>Glimmer was just a jackass who had know clue what he actions had done.
>had no clue
>Commie town.

Yup nothing like good old fashion whale cum to give you a slap on the wrists and told you done bad. Why not just let them forget about all the asinine things they do and put them next to important figures in Equestria. Nothing bad ever comes out of that. While we're at it why not make Trixie the other bitch who gets to live in the castle too. She practically did the same fucking thing in Ponyville. I don't see why she wouldn't be allowed in the crystalized kingdom that is Twilight's fuck hole.

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>>28577504

>He should've been given a chance to redeem himself

But he is already redeemed and fucking his filly size waifu

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>>28579993
>Sombra Has a filly size and yet mature Queen
>Radiant Hope pussy destroyed
Good ending, will we hAve more of Sombra in the future?

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>>28579480

>Sombrero Got tortured

That is actually true, Blame the bitch princess amore for that.

>the crystal heart literally was killing him since he was a colt
>saved one time because her waifus is a healer
>the princess actually know about that
>never move a single hoove for sombra

Sombra did nothing wrong

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AKS Sombra best Sombra unless you count Qwapdo's Hail to the King, tfw no updates

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>>28580133
>Tfw no more ask King Sombra
I didn't like how They made king Sombra like a weak ignorant idiot. Is sombrero alive in the end?.

>>28580177
He got exploded by the Crystal Heart. Again. There was much sadness.

>>28577504
I think the show needs to stop redeeming its villains all together.

>>28580214
I think they need to make villains actual threats that don't just go away after "being friends" at them. Pull a Trixie and have them come back stronger, more cunning, and not only fueled by their previous desires but also vengeance. Or have friendship be made into a weapon, but not in the Tirek/Discord "You scratch my back, I'll stab yours" kind of way, closer to Flim and Flam where they're perfectly content with being partners in crime, except instead of "muh capitalism" they're actually out for world domination.

I get that the message is that you should buy more toys friendship can turn even the greatest enemies into allies, but it's not that easy. Just look at comic canon, Chrysalis just doesn't quit, and even teams up with past antagonists to help Sombra, and everyone's asses get kicked until they're saved by the power of asspull just like in their respective episodes.

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>>28580341
Will he return looking like chrysalis or just a ghost?

>>28580341
Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>28580102
I think that was a conscious decision to make him be more sympathetic, since they wanted to make him be understandable despite being villainous.

>>28580341
Bingo.

I've increasingly felt the unwillingness of the writers to include even the mildest touch of a season-length story arc is becoming one of the show's biggest weaknesses, in part because it means villain backstory and character development (if there is any) has to be jammed into no more than 48 minutes of screen time.

It's one reason why Glimglam is such a disappointment to me, honestly. She seemed primed to become a long-term antagonist who was working towards a larger goal, but it turns out she just needed to be told "friendship is good, yo". Bleh.

>>28577504

Sombra is all scary looking with edgy red eyes and shit and looks like some OC.

Glimmer is cute.

>>28580341
>Or have friendship be made into a weapon, but not in the Tirek/Discord "You scratch my back, I'll stab yours" kind of way, closer to Flim and Flam where they're perfectly content with being partners in crime, except instead of "muh capitalism" they're actually out for world domination.

They actually did that with Flim and Flam and it was a great episode. They were able to get along well enough to get rid of a common enemy but they were solely doing it for their own benefit (and revenge), and went right back to scamming afterward.

Just slightly less scummy than Gladmane.

>>28577618
>nothing that happened in those universes was her fault if they were always going to happen regardless.
Except they wouldn't have happened if she hadn't fucked up the past. They only happened because there was no Mane 6 to stop the villains. There wasn't even a Mane 5 to fight a villain.
>inb4
Bullshit. She deserved some form of punishment for her intent and clear stupidity. Just because she has issues doesn't free her from responsibility.

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>>28580666
Thanks Satan, now I'm reminded of how they built up the Gala in S1 and it was great, and how they built up the Equestria games in S4 and it was terrible, and how they sorta built up the return of Starlight through cameos in various episodes and it was... well the alternate realities were episodes I'd rather have.

But yes, shit like "one episode and Discord, the anti-thesis to the Elements of Harmony from S2, is now a good guy I guess" needs to get fixed. All the episodes where he's still an asshole but is forgiven because "he's a friend" need to have been done BEFORE being considered "reformed", which would be capped off with something like Tirek showing him that you can't just swap out friends.
>>28580670
Now I'm reminded of when I made pic related the last time I read someone say he looked like an edgy OC. Are cringe threads still around, or has it been drowned out by waifuposting again?
>>28580688
That was a good episode, I especially loved how unforgiving AJ was towards Flim and Flam having a problem through the majority of it.

>>28577967
>tarlight wasn't so we get her as the new Scrappy Doo
Not even close, as Scrappy is the reason that Scooby didn't die out.

>>28580776

Except Scrappy is exactly when Scooby did die.

>>28577978
>We can spend days arguing whether she didn't know Twilight had saved the world because she'd lived in isolation for years
Nope. She did her research on Twilight after the S5 opener. She would have known what they did, but just didn't care. I'm more surprised that neither her or Spike/Twilight were in any of the futures.

>>28579952
>being this assblasted
She didn't know how bad shit was until the end. Sombra was a dick who know what he was doing and that many lives suffered as a result. Not that I agree he needed death, but he deserved to be punished more so than she did.

>>28580819

She was fucking enslaving people even before she destroyed the entire world. Even villains need a world to live in, and only when she realized she'd be destroying her own world did she back off.

>>28580819
Except the closest thing she got to punishment was getting run out of Our Town. She got into a time travel fight with Twilight and then, once she said "I'll knock it off" was accepted into the friendship circle. Later she LITERALLY HYPNOTIZES 5/6 M6 and everyone's like "Silly Glimmy, that kidder. Let's all chillax by the pool with some cake."

Too long; can't read, Starlight did plenty of bad shit too, but in comparison to Sombra's "execution for enslaving the populous", she got off WAY easy.

>>28580790
No, he kept it alive. People just like to hate him now.
>>28580890
>She was fucking enslaving people
Brainwashing is not enslaving. Especially when even she thought it was the right thing to do.
>>28580903
Did you read what I wrote? I agree she needed more punishment, just not to the same extent as the man who enslaved his kingdom, tried to do the same to every other kingdom, and probably murdered and was fine with that.

Her intent was not malicious when she mind controlled, autist. That's why they forgave her.

>>28580931
>Denying this hard.
She knew full well of what type of cock ass she was trying to be. You can't just go create a fucking room and blast other ponies with biased propaganda then say "Well I didn't know that was bad" while at the same time not even following her own properganda and keeping her mark.

>>28580931
>she didn't want to be mean when she was mind controlling, so that's fine as long as she doesn't do it again
>oh, she did it again. well that's fine, she didn't mean to be mean this time either
That's the logic you apply to disciplining a child, not a magus under the tutelage of god damn royalty. Twilight pulled mind control shit for benign causes, and god damn Celestia shows up like "Twilight, you fucked up."

>>28580953
Yes you can. She wanted a place where a cutie mark wouldn't fuck people over. She needed hers to take others away. Not saying she's write, but she was evil like someone who is making people suffer for their own joy.
>>28580955
>she didn't want to be mean when she was mind controlling, so that's fine as long as she doesn't do it again
>putting words in my mouth
I simply told you why they forgave her, jackass. If she had been trying to take over, then they'd tell her off quick.

>>28580931
>stealed their cutie mark and denied them of freedom of choice by brainwashing them.
>harmed little fillies
>turned equestria into an edgy fanfic multiples.
>No regret for her actions
>All becouse she didn't talked that autistic orange witard
it's easy to hate strarlight

>>28580973
*multiple times
fucking google

>>28580973
>No regret for her actions
That one isn't true, and her harming the fillies was so tame compared to what Sombra did to fillies that you shouldn't even have listed it. We don't even know if she forced them to lose their marks or brainwashed them first.

I'm not excusing her, just saying that Sombra deserved what he got and she doesn't deserve it.

>>28580931

glimmerfags running damage control hard

>>28581003
>Glimmerhaters shitposting as usual

>>28581015
>Implying there's anything wrong with hating glimmer

>>28581033
>shitposter is blown up and knows it

>>28580993
>what Sombra did to fillies that you shouldn't even have listed it.
oh? Sombra hates love, i don't think he would like to be little, pure, young and beautiful fillies.

>We don't even know if she forced them to lose their marks or brainwashed them first.
they didn't ask for it.

>>28581039
>they didn't ask for it.
Headcanon. We don't know what happened before the Mane 6 came in.

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>>28580971
Are you a fucking commie? Are you part of the asian degradation? A poor lost German still living his last riek? What part of taking my freedoms away do you not understand. What kind of leftist crap is it to create a safe space ONLY she would see use in? The cutie mark doesn't fuck ponies over, ponies fuck other ponies over, and she rightly fucked an entire town by fear mongering. This is no different than enslavement.

>>28581061
Didn't watch the episodes?

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>>28581073
Nigga I watch more than most of the faptastics on this board, and you bet your butterball that I fucking watch it more than you. Now answer my question. What made you think that she in anyway was ever considerded a good pony.

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>>28581073
>>28581061
yes, he is a commie.

>>28581003
>>28581015
If Startlight was actually important, she'd be in the much more important branch of the mlp franchise
[Spoiler] EQG. They could have easily slipped her into the lastest movie, but they didn't. They're just trying to freshen up the series so it can try to compete with EQG sells. Just like adding in Discord as a non hostile character. [/Spoiler]

>>28581106
>What made you think that she in anyway was ever considerded a good pony.
When did I say she was? I said she didn't deserve the same shit Sombra got. I also said that he deserved his shit.
>>28581111
>implying there's anything wrong with it
>>28581120
> newfag shitposter can't even

>>28581120
you mean "sales", you autist who can't into spoilers?

>>28581111
Nice quads
>>28581120
No, instead they had to spoil the S5 finale in the third movie.
>>28581127
And we're saying that if Glimmer got the punishment she deserved, then Sombra got fucked in the ass with the whole god damn Crystal Palace in retribution for what he was shown for doing.

>>28581127
>>28581134
>Ignoring the fact of what sells alot (Hint; other countries than the US are more brand aware of EQG)
Just be glad she got a season cover and quit your bitching. You'll be lucky if they even continue FiM for a few years and don't just spring for a cheaper to make, more likely to sell toys from, EQG show.

>>28580666
I was hoping we would get an episode where Starlight and the CMC interacted with each other in some way, with her trying to convince them that they shouldn't want CMs and them telling her off. Then when they got their CMs and everyone was happy about it, she would be flummoxed, and the first seeds of doubt would be sowed in preparation for her redemption.

The problem with repentant Starlight is that they ditched the "well-intentioned extremist" angle they seemed to be going for in The Cutie Map. Instead of mind-controlling ponies to make them do what she wants, she should be using that power in a misguided attempt to foster friendship and unity, like what she was going for with Her Town. That way the lessons would be "That's not what friendship is" instead of "Don't be a fucking sociopath."

>>28581139
No, he deserved what happened too him. She just deserved at most to lose her magic for some time. Imprisonment at the most.
>>28581152
>shitposter is still posting

>>28577552
Can someone summarize the comic for the rest of use who haven't read it.

>>28581139
All these fucking haters mad because Superior to Rarity, GlimGlam got the season cover. Quit crying your cheap, one dimensional fashion whorse isn't worth the season cover.

>>28581154
>she should be using that power in a misguided attempt to foster friendship and unity
>"well-intentioned extremist"
I would have enjoyed this too. It would have made the fight in the finale better if she would have had a valid reason for trying to change the past.
>>28581173
>Superior to Rarity

>>28581159
So salty. Here's my reply, faggot
>>28581173
read it and weep at the truth

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>>28581184
>>28581173
Stop trying so hard, samefag.

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>>28581127
Sombra dissappeared along with the city for a thousand years after his enslavement was established. We don't know what happened but we do know that it made them forget Sombra ever existed, at least until he returned. He could of gotten the same treatment and got his dick kicked out from under him, but instead they just killed him. I'm wondering why this similar upstart didn't get the royal treatment when she pulled the same shit. For being a literal Steven Urkel she got to choose the mystery box and get all the good shit behind every fucking door and you defended her right for doing that shit.

>>28581111
I'm a commie and want to protest that glimglam is nothing of the sort, but I can't disagree with those numbers.

>>28581192
It's because Glimmer sang a friendship song with the M6. No other villain, reformed or otherwise, sang a friendship song with the M^. That means Glimmer is allowed to be forgiven faster than the others.

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>>28581211
I will cut you. I will find your house, tie your dog up, and make your dog watch as I cut you.

>>28581192
>it made them forget Sombra ever existed
That is entirely false. Time never went by for them when they were gone. In fact there were still afraid of him when they returned. Did you not watch the episode when his spell kept fucking up their memory and terrified them?

He was a dick who wanted to enslave Equestria before he was banished. The finale showed that he tries to do that when he gets back. Which is why he did deserve his death. he was an evil fucker who would enslave an entire empire of ponies and force them to die for his greed.

Starlight was a dumbass and a bitch, but she at least felt like shit about the potential future, even if she tried to convince herself that it was fake. She willingly stepped down and was ready to take her punishment. She has shown that she genuinely felt remorse for her actions. Sombra doesn't give a single shit and his only regret would just be him failing. Why are you unable to see that?
>>28581211
>still shitposting

>>28581192
They didn't really have a choice with Sombra, did they? The only way to drive him off was with the Crystal Heart, which destroyed him pretty much automatically. I mean, they could have waited for Celestia and Luna to get there and defeat him again, but that doesn't seem worth allowing the Crystal Ponies to be enslaved in the mean time, plus he might have used the same or a similar spell to banish the Empire like he did last time.

>>28581231
Oh really, not even the same anon Glimfag.

>Luna, One season and her episode debut ponies still feared her until the end.

>Trixie, a combined total of five seasons before she was truly forgiven.

>Glida, three season until she was forgiven.

>Discord, three season until he was forgiven, and other ponies still are afraid of him.

>Sunset, A full hour long movie before she was forgiven.

>Glimmer, forgiven in her second appearance.

>>28581243
She fails when she tries to beat him in one future. Granted Luna isn't there, but the whole goal was to stop him from enslaving everyone again. They all would have been killed, or at least enslaved if they hadn't used the heart on him. What's better is how Tirek wasn't killed by the rainbow wave that just stripped him of his power and put him back in prison.

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>>28581231
Nigga I know what Sombra did. I'm saying why did they didn't do the same shit with Starlight. Why does she still get to walk freely when she assulted a royal and her entourage. Twilight nearly got fucked in the ass by Celestia doing that shit, and suddenly that shit turned out okay now?

>>28581264
How is this relevant? Especially when you list Shimmer, but Glimmer took for had four episodes being evil. A two part finale had her forgiven. Also, everyone had originally forgiven Luna in the second episode. They just had her scary in Nightmare Night, mainly because Pinkie.
>Glimfag.
Nice bait.

>>28581281
>Twilight nearly got fucked in the ass by Celestia doing that shit
No she didn't. Also, I don't know why she's given special treatment. Because Twilight feels as though she can be reformed? Because Twilight sees herself in her? Because she's a powerful unicorn and wants to mold her in her own image like Celestia did to Twilight and she wants to keep someone that strong in her care?

I'm not saying she doesn't deserve punishment. I'm in favor over her losing her magic for a time at least, but it isn't some big thing that she's just forgiven for her shit. Discord was easily forgiven for trying to enslave Equestria, as was NMM. Ponies are just like that.

>>28581168

It's kind of spread across two comics, but here's roughly what I remember:

Fiendship is Magic, Sombra issue:
>Sombra is found as a colt near the Crystal Empire
>Becomes friends with a filly, Radiant Hope
>As time goes on he increasingly gets bad headaches and is bed-bound
>Eventually revealed that he was literally born of an evil crystal to do its will in Equestria, and is suffering because he cannot be in close proximity to good magic (i.e., crystal heart)
>The Crystal Empire's princess, Amore, knew this and just let him suffer for years because she didn't want to tell him
>He does the next best thing to murdering Amore, petrifying and smashing her, enslaves the Crystal Empire, and Radiant Hope flees.

"Siege of the Crystal Empire" arc
>Radiant Hope runs around gathering a bunch of B-list antagonists - Lightning Dust, Flim and Flam, Chrysalis and the Changelings, and Iron Will. How Iron, Lightning, and Flim/Flam went from being assholes to high treason isn't exactly clear.
>She uses them to distract the Mane 6 while she sneaks into the Crystal Palace and resurrects Sombra from a fragment of his horn, 'cause she has super-healing talent
>Sombra emerges, Celestia and Luna get worfed again to show he's SUPAH DANGERUS
>Somehow Cadance was missed in all this, she confronts Radiant Hope
>Radiant Hope takes her into the evil crystal that spawned Sombra, which is actually a gateway to a prison where a bunch of hellspawns called "umbrum" are kept locked away
>Explains she spent 1000 years 'getting to know the Umbrum' and they're totally not evil, honest!
>Except they are
>Mane 6 and Cadance confront Sombra and Radiant, Radiant leaps in front of Sombra and takes a bolt meant for him, Sombra flips a shit, breaks the Crystal Heart, and releases the Umbrum
>Surprise, the Umbrum are dickwads to everyone (including Sombra), and neither he nor Radiant are happy

>>28581282
Who Glimfags truly are the most delusional waifufags ever huh.

>How is this relevant?

Because it play into her lack of punishment smart one. every reformed villain wasn't trusted after the shit they did, and had some form of punishment afterwards. Glimmer? Nope, just sing a song, and destroying multiple universe is okay. Give a half assed sorry, and mind raping the 5 of the most important ponies in Equestria is okay.

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>>28581231
>Sombra doesn't give a single shit
That is not true, He is an unicorn/umbrum who would take down an entire empire and throw away his life just to be whit her waifu one more day.

> his only regret would just be him failing
I think the only regret he got was after radiant hope told him that she didn't become a princess for him.

>>28581328

>After some filler of a "battle" that manages to combine "humor" and reduce the Umbrum to comedy, Sombra decides "eh, my waifu still isn't happy, guess I'll restore the crystal heart instead"
>Umbrum go away, but the Heart is about to fuck up Sombra as well.
>Suddenly gets restored by Celestia and Luna - who, I'd note, literally were fighting him the second before from their perspective
>Turns into Good King Sombra from Reflections, because 1 sacrifice totally undoes nearly dooming the world and enslaving an entire kingdom, amirite?
>He and Radiant Hope run away to live happily ever after

It's a mess of speshul OCs taking the spotlight constantly (Radiant Hope), Sombra getting redeemed at the last second by ponies who have no reason to like him, and a bunch of characters acting hilariously OOC. The only good note? The S6 premiere contradicted it so sharply it's clear the writers didn't give a fuck about it either.

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>>28581309
'Lesson Zero' fuck face. As for the other Villans.

>Nightmare Moon
Wanted actual adoration. Not mindless fuck witts.

>Discord
Wants only Chaos. You can't create chaos if there isn't an establishment to fuck up or anything alive to fuck with.

>>28581329
>Luna wasn't trusted until that one episode, then is trusted until Ponka ruins shit over and over
>SS is trusted in an hour after literally mind controlling people
Are you fucking retarded? Her punishment was fixing a wall. Granted she still had some shit, but that wasn't punishment. NMM had no punishment after a second time trying to enslave. Discord after his third attempt to be an ass he had no punishment. He didn't even get one for helping Tirek nearly kill everyone. Are you a fucking idiot?

She didn't destroy shit. She just changed the future, which was fixed so it's as though nothing ever happened.
>>28581328
>He does the next best thing to murdering Amore, petrifying and smashing her,
Brutal.
>that whole second part
Are these fanfic writers?
>>28581337
>non canon comics
Sorry, but that doesn't help.
>>28581343
I think I remember hearing about this shitty comic.
>>28581352
All she does is give her a simple explanation, faggot.

Not according to the finale. She's as evil as all the others.

How is it relevant what he wanted? He ruled horribly and according to the S4 opener, the princesses were hurt. Granted his future is the best one, he still got off for what he tried to do in S3 and what he did in the S4 finale
>avatarfagging

I know you fags hate Glimmer, but at least use some fucking logic with your hate and stop bullshiting.

>>28581328
>>28581343
>>28581328
you forgot the part where
>B-list antagonists, shinning armor, spike, crystal ponies and mane 6 family dissapear.
um... i guess they were scared shitless

>Turns into Good King Sombra from Reflections
something between Good king sombra and bad king sombra

>>28581390
>non canon comics
>mlp:fim idw comics
what comics are cannon then?

>>28581411
None. They're their own separate canon.

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>>28581329
so this is why Glimfags are living cancer.

>>28581120
>If Startlight was actually important, she'd be in the much more important branch of the mlp franchise

Bitch, she's in the Twilight Sparkle role for the two part finale for this season. How much more important could she get?

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>>28581390
Only because her friends didn't talk her out of punishing Twilight.

Nightmare moon only wanted to overthrow her sister you dumb ass, and it's revalent to Discord because if he was gonna fuck shit up he would of done it a long time ago.

I'll post whatever I god damn please.

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>>28581173

>pure plebbery

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>>28581425

sure

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Have you read the comics? Do you the consider them cannon?

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>>28581446
did*

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>>28581463
see>>28581458

>>28581446
>Only because her friends didn't talk her out of punishing Twilight.
Typo?

Bullshit. She succeeds in one future, banishes her sister and clearly has plans on using time travel for her own selfish gains. She also threatens to destroy spike and runs the kingdom like a true villain with everyone terrified of her. She blasts fleeing timber wolves like a bitch too. How was she not and evil ruler again?

Discord ruled by making live miserable for everyone else for his own joy. He gained delight in others misery. He planted those seeds so they would destroy the princesses. The only reason he hasn't fucked shit up is because he's such an arrogant and wacky fucker that he doesn't think too. He isn't has strong as you think as shown by Tirek not being able to beat Twilight in a fight. Anyway, he still got away with no punishment for helping Tirek almost kill the entire land off. Please, keep shitting on Glimmer for having the same good treatment though.
>>28581458
They do make comics off of random shit like that, but it was confirmed to be it's own canon. The show/movies are mentioned in the comics, but not the other way.

>All these people getting this buttblasted because they can't handle ShimSham
Chill the fuck out.
>>28581445
You're the little bitch, quit whining
>>28581437
Says the avatarfag who adores a half sperg, half mary sue trope. Skillet calling the Kettle black.

>>28581521
>insulting someone that likes ShimSham when you are also defending her
The autism is strong in this one.

>>28581309
Discord didn't want to enslave anybody. It's just in his nature to bring disharmony. He's very misunderstood and that's why he was so easily manipulated by Tirek in the S4 finale with the promise of freedom.

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>>28581521

>glimfag blows a gasket

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>>28581521
>glimmer apologist has a meltdown

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>>28581494
Don't wanna be that guy, but FIM kinda did it first.

>>28581503
I never said Nightmare was not evil, all I said that she wanted to take the crown for herself. All the other stuff was to secure her seat in power. If she wanted a kingdom I doubt she would of started killing her subjects.

Tirek is a different ball game though. The nigga stole magic. Celestia and Luna could barely handle Discord and that's with the elements. Twilight took magic from 3 other princesses, her friends, and the elements of harmoney to go toe to toe with Tirek the giga nigga.

>>28581559
You talk real big and use your memes but if we were face to face I'd make you like my steal toe boots of commie goodness.
>>28581521
Shut up kid, you are making us look bad.
>>28581503
While the comics and art style are shit (sadly) they have been confirmed by two writers, one for the comics, the other for the show, as canon. Sorry kid.

>>28581587
>>28581559
I made a fucking mistake okay hop off my cock! It's just getting really intense in here and honestly a little confusing... why can't you all just accept our waifu and not be so mean?

>>28581556
>Discord didn't want to enslave anybody
Except that's what he was doing. Maybe not in the same way that Sombra did, but he enslaved them as Glim Glam did. Worse since he actively made their lives shit for his own keks.
>He's very misunderstood
Bullshit. He's just a selfish ass who wanted to fuck more shit up. He only felt bad for Fluttershy, and again when he got fucked himself.
>>28581594
Yes, she wanted to force everyone to worship her and fear her and would destroy or enslave anyone who would refuse.

Why would she not? She isn't Luna anymore. She's an evil being of dark magic and was willing to tie up and threaten a child to insure that she got what she wanted. She wanted to rule everything as Sombra did, she just did it differently without the fear magic and possible mind control.

Tirek was probably the most evil as he's shown literally destroying everything with his power. Also, Twilight never took her friend's magic, Tirek did that. He also took all of the magic of everything else, Discord included. Twilight only had her alircorn magic and the other three princesses if I recall. They were still on equal terms and if she did have the elements then that would show that Discord isn't that powerful.
>>28581615
Expect they were confirmed to not be canon, as the movies are, kid.

>>28581615
>steal toe boots

TOPF plz.

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What the fuck is everyone even fighting about now? This thread is just a battle of the shitflingers at this point with no real end goal. Are we the S6 villains?

>>28581628
Do you know what's shitposting for,
When it's not worth denying for?
Does it take your waifu away
And you feel yourself shitposting?
Does the pain weigh out the pride?
And you look for an excuse to hide?
Did some twilightfag break your heart inside?
You're in ruins.

>>28581647
Some glimglam bros and I were just having a nice discussion before some rude twilightfags came in and took a nice fat shit all over us.

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>>28581637
More like a conquistador than anything, but then again we haven't seen much of that time line to see where they went with it.

Remeber this box? That's pretty much the elements power as well as the users who helped open said box. That's why I said Tirek is some other shit, because he struck fear unlike Discord who just gave off disdain and anger.

>>28581647
Are you kidding this pretty normal.

>>28581594
>If she wanted a kingdom I doubt she would of started killing her subjects.

Have you looked at the Cutie Map when they get into that reality? Equestria is completely fucked. Like, there are whole parts of it just gone.

Nightmare might keep things nice and peaceful in her little palace, but it seems to have been at the cost of most of Equestria.

>>28581702
He did indeed, because he was more powerful, or rather more dangerous than Discord. Discord isn't as strong as people think, but Tirek has the potential to be. He's also concerned with destroying all, while Discord just wants to create a wacky land where he can make people miserable and always have something different.
>More like a conquistador than anything,
NMM?
>>28581726
This. What's more likely is people fought her and she killed them for opposing her. Funny thing is that both Dash and Rara pussied out and joined her.

>>28581647
If you don't like fighting, why are you here?

>>28581690
Nigga this thread was made with the intent of shitting on Starlight. I don't know where you're getting the "nice discussion" from. Don't act like a victim.

>>28581637
I don't think you know what enslavement is. His relapse was due to his friends not treating him like a friend and wouldn't let him be himself. He's literally the embodiment of chaos, and if he isn't allowed some space to practice that, then of fucking course he's going to relapse. But in starlight shitter's case, she's just mad because her friend got a cutie mark. That's literally it. There's no reason she should have gotten a second chance seeing as how she has zero redeeming factors. Discord at least has a reason for having antisocial tendencies, seeing as how he was imprisoned in stone for a thousand years and had never had friends before. Starlight is so out of place and is a tumor that is slowly killing the show.

>>28581702
>we haven't seen much of that time line to see where they went with it.
Seems like S5, or maybe six should have been Twilight fucking around in the other timelines so we could have more worldbuilding and character building. Shame that at most we get a minute or two of them.
>>28581771
>claiming samefag

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>>28581743
Yeah Nightmare.

>>28581726
You know the map shows passed Equestria too right? Since they did go to Gryphonstone and all.

There's also not much to tell off of the map. On one it got fucked, and on the other it shows of some residencies.

>>28581781
I didn't claim anyone was a samefag.

>>28581775
Are you talking about Discord? He forced everyone in a land to live in a wacky land that they all hated and jacked up those who refused, or it's implied that he did. When he got free it went back to making the land wacky, people miserable, and just laughed at it all. He didn't do a fear enslavement, but he technically did enslave people in that regard.

Bullshit as he was fine until he got called a bitch and the offer to fuck everyone up again. He helped Tirek take everyone's magic knowing it would fuck them up and he'd destroy everything. He even let his one friend get robbed too. He only felt super bad and regretted everything when he got jacked too.

If anything Discord should be killed or imprisoned again since he tried four times to fuck everyone over, even after being shown forgiveness and friendship. Glimmer was a child who lost her only friend and found friendship again only in one of her subjects, who she lost because of Twilight and her friends. I'm not saying it was completely justified, but it isn't as bad as you make it out to be.

I get it, you're an autist who hates Glimmer, but at least use some none biased logic when you shit on her.
>>28581791
Explain how she was a conquistador. She was shone to be evil and rule her people with total fear, it's why Dash and the others were terrified that Spike mentioned Celestia. We don't know if she tried to expand into other territories like Sombra did, but we know that she was a cutthroat sadist.

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>>28581647
I just like sombra more than glimglam, i don't know about the others.

>>28581839
I agree. He has a lot of potential for a character and a whole season, as shown in that timeline. Glimmer has enough too, but they blew it up.

More Sombro pics.

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>>28581173
>Superior to Rarity
That's not even not saying much, that's not saying anything.
>>28581223
You may be avatarfagging, but I like you.
>>28581231
>Starlight was a dumbass and a bitch
No arguments there
>but she at least felt like shit about the potential future, even if she tried to convince herself that it was fake
The difference with that is that Sombra's future at least had ponies, government, and industry in it. Starlight's future gets rid of fucking everything. I'm pretty sure that would get most people to knock that shit off. It's the difference between "you're making WWI happen" to "you make it so MAD doesn't exist during the Cold War"
>>28581337
Fun fact: that bit about not destroying her was requested by Hasbro so as not to imply that killed her.
>>28581839
>>28581848
This, Sombra a best because he's a blank slate, all the way down to his buttmark.

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>>28581848

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>>28581836
Well for one Sombra never came to power, and when anyone mentions dragons they tend to come off a bit hateful towards them. There's also a giant dragon skull on top of a mountain which implies somebody fought the dragon lord and won, and since Nightmare's empire is still at large you can't rule her out.

>>28581860
>Sombra is the best because he has no character
Didn't that used to be the reason everyone hated him?

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>>28581875

>>28581885

Sombra is the most pointless villain in the show, from the worst season premiere of the series.

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>>28581891

>>28581743
>Funny thing is that both Dash and Rara pussied out and joined her.
Honestly, I don't find that too surprising. Without Twilight to guide them to the elements, they're just an ambitious speedster and a competent seamstress.... civilians, not heroes.

The ponies who stood up to her were probably those in positions of power, with personal attachments to Celestia (or her rule), the military, and so on. Why would a couple of ponies from a backwater nowhere village resist her?

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>>28581885
I think it was less the lack of character and more the lack of doing anything. Not to mention that between the whole "every commercial is Gak" and "no screentime", adding on "underwhelming villain" probably left a poor taste in people's mouths.
>>28581896
This, barring S6 depending on who you ask like me.

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>>28581836
Which world would you rather live in? Starlight created much more death and destruction than Discord ever did. She killed literally everyone and everything in Equestria and you think she deserves redemption? You should make her your waifu seeing as how you're both sociopaths with no regard for the lives of others.

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>>28581921
I think the first one is Evil celestia Equestria. This is why we need team sombra, ponies to oppose the Evil Suns worshippers.

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>>28581921

But she wasn't malicious! She was just innocently trying to get revenge for the Mane 6 jerks viciously stealing her enslaved brainwashed village from her.

>>28581264
Your examples are a bit misleading
>Luna, forgiven in her second appearance
>Trixie, wasn't evil in her first appearance, was evil in her second and was forgiven in her third
>Discord, forgiven in his second appearance, ponies still didn't like him because he was an asshole who constantly and deliberately antagonizes them
>Sunset forgiven in her first appearance by the main 6, forgiven by the school in the second
>Glimmer, forgiven in her second appearance.

>>28581898
You say that, but Dash was ready to physically attack NMM when she first appeared and had to be restrained by AJ.

>>28581921
Nobody "deserves" redemption. The only condition for redemption is changing your evil ways.

>>28581981
>Discord helps defeat Tirek, one of the few antagonists who was an actual threat
>Nobody deserves redemption
Discord isn't inherently evil, just misunderstood. In his own words, he opposes order, not good.

>>28581891
>>28581968
I don't know what the deal is with this pairing, but I like it.

>>28582053
I'm reminded of a fanfic I read a while back. Premise is that Sweetie Belle borrows a spellbook from Twiggles and, through the power of pages stuck together, accidentally makes Sombra her familiar.

>>28582029
Redemption is what happens inside the villain. It isn't "given" to them, that would be forgiveness.

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>>28581446
>Only because her friends did talk her out of punishing Twilight.

I think the implication was that Celestia was never going to "punish" Twilight, just give her a stern talking to, which she did.

>>28581860
Not exactly. Glimmers original future is just Sombra's. It eventually gets more shitty. Still, it wasn't her intention, while it was Sombra's to fuck everything up and rule as a horrid dictator. The industry, government and ponies were in Celestia's kingdom. All we see of Sombra's is everyone wishing for death because of the enslavement.
>>28581878
Technically we don't know when this takes place. It may have been years after the series, or only a few months or so after the series finale. This just shows that she's a ruthless leader who more than likely killed off the dragon populace of Equestria, or at least enslaved them.
>>28581898
Dash had to be stopped by Apple from fighting NMM, Rara was shown to be kind before her element as was Dash loyal. Either NMM beat them so bad into submission, or the lack of a rainboom really fucked them up. Also, Dash is from Cloudsdale, not a village.
>>28581921
I specifically said that Discord was the better end of the deal. Also, that's only in one timeline, probably Tirek's which if Celestia did manage to reform Discord, and she probably did, he still is responsible for him gaining such power to begin with.
>You should make her your waifu seeing as how you're both sociopaths with no regard for the lives of others.
>this shitposting
Again, I know you hate her, but use some logic. She had no clue that she was causing destruction of such magnitude. She even claims that Twilight faked it to stop her. She never killed or destroyed shit intentionally and all of it was caused because of a simple change in the past. Tirek and Sombra fucked shit up with the sole purpose of causing this harm. Get your fucked up hate boner out of here and rewatch the damn show.
>>28581978
This. They were all forgiven easily with Discord getting the most special treatment out of all of them.
>>28582029
Hardly. He just gave her a trinket that happened to help defeat him.He's not even this misunderstood innocent guy that you make him out to be.

>>28582132
>I think the implication was that Celestia was never going to "punish" Twilight, just give her a stern talking to, which she did.
This is how it was. The girl who only punishes those that she can't talk down would not punish her pupil like that. She even forgave Fluttershy for stealing her bird and making her guards run around like jackasses and instantly forgave her sister who was moments ago trying to kill said pupil and her friends.

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>>28582169
Well, wishing for death is a strong assumption. Certainly not a stretch by any means, they're possibly aware that Equestria is fighting and that's their tiniest bit of hope. Also pic related using presumably mind control for the soldiers, which could go the "watch yourself kill against your will" or "blackout" routes.

>>28582169

If you love Glimglam so much, why don't you marry her?

>>28582376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i940kjJZh0

>>28582376
>this shitposting
I must admit. I haven't heard that in awhile.

>>28577504
Gender Bias