CYOA Discussion

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Starting way too late for what will probably be a short session.
>>28527254
>>28527254

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2nd for Wolvan is a qt

>>28527281
That actually kinda looks like him too.

Somethingth for please give me critique on Night Delivery and BoatQuest I have no idea what I'm doing halp.

>>28527410
ruh roh

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>>28527395
I think that Golden Arrow is a great protagonist, that Night Delivery is a lot of fun, and that you're doing a great job!

As for my advice on how to make Boatquest better: remove tokens.

Your waifu is great.

>>28527446

This is Doxel posting, but it's not an Image.png so you aren't Doxel.

You've just been corrupted. Where did it all go so wrong for you Anon? When did you start caring?

>>28527488
I started caring about 3 months ago, and I don't want to stop! Everything is just so great, and so is your waifu!

I have two questions
1. Is it considered a CYOA faux pas to allow the actual death of the player character if the choices leading up to that point should logically result in death?
2. Is it acceptable to go through describing such a scenario and then continue the CYOA from an earlier point to allow the players to make different choices?

>>28527837
>1. Is it considered a CYOA faux pas to allow the actual death of the player character if the choices leading up to that point should logically result in death?
Depends in the players and in how it's handled.

>2. Is it acceptable to go through describing such a scenario and then continue the CYOA from an earlier point to allow the players to make different choices?
People may call it gamey and say it makes death irrelevant and forces the players to act in OOC knowledge.

>>28527837
It was accepted at one point, at least.
Inept used to kill her protagonists and reload before the death when the players did something stupid, or didn't notice a pixel of death, and folks only got butt tussled when the death was bullshit, or they fucked up super hard and it had lasting effects, or when they took the joke pun that came with it personally like a faggot. I kinda miss them. Some of the puns and deaths were funny, specifically that time we got crushed by a meteor and that time we spontaneously combusted because we were late for an appointment.
Doc_SH also did it with his applejack quest, and I think he did it with his previous quests once or twice too, and it wasn't frowned upon.

>>28527837
1. no, but.
2. yes, although.

Much like most things, it depends on how you handle it. If we die to gross player error, sure okay. If you roll a 1 behind the scenes and we get hit by a bus, then no.

>>28527837
If character death were to happen, it should be due to a series of poor decisions on the players' part. A QM should help them out as much as they can, but if it's at that point they really should be dead, I don't think it's wrong to kill them.

If player character death were to occur, I think the right move would be to write an appropriate ending. Or maybe make a party member the new player character and continue like normal. Unless you had an in-universe justification for time rewinding, I think giving a redo like that is one of the worst things you can do. It's a cop out and it breaks immersion. It's just cheap.

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>>28527933
>Unless you had an in-universe justification for time rewinding

Clearly we just need to give the MC the Dagger of Time.

>>28527951
I actually really like this idea for a CYOA

>>28527837
1)
Depends on the tone of the quest. If it's in cutequestria or it's a SoL quest, it should be pretty damn impossible to die. If you're exploring a temple full of traps or trying to survive in a city then death being possible makes sense.

If death is a possible it should feel possible from the get go. No one would be furious at the QM if the players lead Peppermint to her doom in 11-54, but a death in the middle of an angry unicorn SoL will get a bad response.

2)
Sure. How you go about that will determine a lot of the tone of the quest. If you have lives and an OOC reload system then it'll be gamey, if the reloading is in character and part of the story it'll feel story oriented. See Unique vs Daring Do and the Temple of somethingoranother.

>>28528225
>to survive in a city
In a mutant infested city*

>>28527951
I had an idea for a Blueblood quest where he finds the Horseshoe of Time.

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>>28528501
>Blueblood

BIG GREEN BOOTY

Active threads

FIT: >>28517093
Crystal Symphony: >>28481560
Coltquest: >>28523895
SIM: >>28435975
Warrant: >>28470692
Bard Quest: >>28523379
Outcasts: >>28477090
Night Delivery: >>28516084
Tramplevania: >>28490821
A Historical Perspective: >>28519022
Landfall: >>28426691

>>28528968
You forget the "n" in An Historical Perspective.

>>28528993
>Forcing shitty memes based on spelling errors
Nope, let's nip this in the bud here.

>>28528432
Need more boop

>>28490821
Good morning.
Also prepare for even more sluggish updates because yours truly has come down with a cold. Ain't that nice?!

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>>28527395
>please give me critique on Night Delivery and BoatQuest I have no idea what I'm doing
Treat BoatQuest how you treat Night Delivery, as something fun that you are doing for your players that doesn't have to be taken too seriously. I feel like you treat Boats as if it is somehow loftier than Night and you shouldn't. You write better for Night.

Your waifu is used goods.

What makes a good SoL?

>>28529441
Sex is a skill and I want a pro.

>>28529445
The same things that make any good story. Strong and interesting characters and meaningful conflict and resolution.

>>28529509
This a million times over. Characters and their conflicts with each other are the most important thing. I don't care how nice your lore and worldbuilding is or how perfectly the plot is perfectly arranged, if I don't care about the characters in it I'm not going to enjoy it.

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Quick, post best couples.

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>>28529658

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>>28529658

>>28529495
>and I want a pro
>pro
A professional sexer? So a literal whore?

>>28529717
wew lad

>>28529445
>What makes a good SoL?
I think first we need to know:

What is everyone's definition of "Slice of Life" when it comes to CYOAs?

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>>28529658

>>28529721
Super Fuck of Dick
Expert Expander
Master of Ass
One Succ Pone

>>28529756
Do you have a large enough income so she can quit her job?

>>28529872
But her job is sex.

>>28529876
Sex with others.

>>28529880
ye his waifus a whore.

>>28529883
Slut, Anon. There's a difference.

>>28529886
A slut does it for free.

>>28529889
Correct. So it's not a job.

>>28529893
Wouldn't a slut waifu be better than a whore waifu then? Unless you're a cuck, of course.

>>28529898
That's my point.

>>28529904
So we agree that
slut waifu > whore waifu > bitch waifu?

>>28529907
Sure. Bitches are the worst.

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>>28529907
>>28529924

>>28527395
Boat quest is cool n' all but I think one of the things that's bothering me about it is that it feels really really aimless. Which depending on the circumstances can be a good thing, but there just doesn't feel like there is anything stimulating to do.

Night Delivery still feels "aimless" but there is immediate and entertainingly frivoulous things to do.

>>28529665
>Griffon striking a pony
That's gonna be a hefty prison sentence

>>28527395
>>28529958
BoatQuest is kinda the only quest I'm playing right now. I like the characters a lot, but I agree that the bit on the island seemed a bit convoluted. But that might as well be part of the players' fault, since it's still kinda the beginning of the quest. The bits "en route" aboard the ship seemed a lot clearer, so maybe it's fair to say that location-building outside the ship needs to be tightened. Not even sure how but - just like you would in a sprawling harbor city full of all kind of ponies and other races - I felt a bit lost in Portunio in more than just the literal sense. Apart from that, it's a very fun and comfy quest. Looking forward to the continuation back aboard The EES The Best Ship.

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>>28527281
The fuck are you talking about?! I look nothing like C Code!

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>MC has a white coat and a clear golden mane

>>28530531
LELEL u mad at white m4st3r r4c3?

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Reminder

>>28530707
who?

>>28530707
if a qm flakes out on you then their quest is immediately shit that should never be spoken of.

>>28530531
>clear hair
That just means they're old. Like Rem.

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>>28530786

>>28530929
It's true, no one talks about Mendacity anymore.

>>28530937
>anymore.

>>28530937
Other than the occasional post of how everyone wants it back, which, never ever.

>>28530786

Spicy: a shit.
All Nips quests: a shit.
Hijack: a shit.

Close to 90% of quests: A shit.

>>28530999
Yes actually. When you manage to actually finish your quest it can be considered "ok" by all.

>>28530999
>Close to 90%
That's pretty optimistic.

Bard Quest: Run, Blord, run! Returns!

>>28531017

War in the North returns with a new thread:
>>28531103

>>28531009
That's kind of bullshit.

>>28531127
INADEQUATELY

>>28531155
TEMPERATED

>>28530707
You might think this pains me, but the pain has never gone.

>>28531253
CRYSTAL

>>28531397
METH

>>28530020
>I liked the sol better than the plot
Me too

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>more than three other party members

>>28531779

Haven't a bunch of actually successful quests done this and been generally well liked?

>>28531494
COMBUSTS

>>28531779
I say four is the absolute max. Just two others is perfect for a comfy party and quest.

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>>28531779
>Band has two drummers

>>28532113
>band has a guy who does nothing but dance.
I'm not sure what we're doing

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>>28532113
>Band has two Whispens.

Can an adventure quest be both short and good?

>>28532223
>Finally, my own clone! Now neither of us will be virgins!

>>28470692
Griffons are equal and they deserve respect

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>>28532223
>It's an all Whispen band

>>28532223
>Post has no quads

>>28532665
N-NANI?

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>>28532846
>quads

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What have you done anon? QMs and Players, CONFESS!

>>28532944
ur mom

>>28532944
I actually have two quest ideas but I don't feel the thing to run.

>>28532944
I samefagged a lot during the first few threads of curse and spicy quest. I stopped when both got more players.

>>28532944
I was responsible for Horsey McGee's name, both gay bar arcs, and about 70% of all the stupid decisions that made it through.

>>28532944
Two of my ideas were well received but I refuse to do them because I'm already running something.

>>28532944

I stopped running.

>>28532944
I died.

So I think there's a lot to be learned from how Forgotten Faces and Warrant have both opened.

Both of them are much-awaited returns of decorated QMs which have their quests start with you heading towards a town in the distance on a wagon with sidekick(s) in tow, but most people seem "eh" about Warrant while everyone waits with baited breath for Forgotten Faces to return.

SPES has talked a lot about how much planning he did for FF, so I assume most of the bright decisions he made were intentional, and its very well-designed from the get-go. It's got a great atmosphere, dark and foreboding with cheerful characters and bursts of humor that quickly set it apart from the goofy DFU by establishing that it would be taking itself more seriously but was still very intended for fun. It had an extensive character creation process that was punctuated with frequent updates from the QM that made it avoid seeming like it was dragging down the quest for too much, which gave the players time to think about their character, and the quirky and contrasting band of side-kicks were entertaining to interact with while the part was taking time to settle into the character. We also got hooked FAST, but in a no-pressure sort of way that said "this is what's going on, feel free to look into that." Finally, the setting itself was very well characterized with an amazing set-piece moment that gave it an eerie feel, which SPES has kept up with a barrage of interesting environments and tidbits about the town and a lot of quirky characters who have been fun to deal with.

Honestly, Forgotten Faces might be the best quest introduction ever.

(1/2)

>>28533297

Warrant, on the other hand, Res kind of dropped the ball with. We were started by waking up and having been given the most bare-bones of descriptors and then told to sort of do stuff. Given a vague track to follow but not a particularly interesting one. Banter with Velvet was fun but became sort of systematic. The character has essentially turned into Gar 2.0 which has made the quest the worst sort of mixture between Skyrim and Urban. I appreciate that Res is trying to give us freedom as players, but the sort of freedom he's given us has largely left us with an incredibly watered down story so far and a world best described as 'generic city'. Most of the jokes are taken from the players or one or two other jokes (including a couple of /pol/ memes that have fallen almost totally flat). There's nothing really gained from Res' use of the jokes, he doesn't seem to be building on them or improving on them, he's just kind of like "yeah that's funny" and he throws it in with little thought. And of course, it hasn't differentiated itself from Urban at all. I liked Urban, I really did, but when this quest features a relatively slow background plot, follows a bit of a loser protagonist who's at the basis of a racist problem in Equestria, and has stated off with slow SoL and promises to have a larger plot thrown at us soon, it's feeling very much the same and I it just seems like Res is scrambling back to safe after the relatively limited success of Hype Quest.

So what can we learn?
- Good quests intros need a solid starting tone.
- The earlier a plot hook is intertwined into the story, the better.
- If you want the players to do most of the characterization, give them plenty of time and interesting things to do while they work it out, and make it clear they are making the character.
- The feel of a quest is more important than the actual things that have happened.
- Don't be afraid to throw the players a curveball compared to their expectations.

(2/2)

>>28533297
>that made it avoid seeming like it was dragging down the quest for too much
>most of the first session was chargen
Try again

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>>28533297
You trying to start up a cyoa analysis community there bud?

>>28533304
I like Warrant slightly better if only because FF's MC is 2snowflake4me.

I'm super picky about that shit.

>>28533355
That's okay. Parcel's species won't matter and he'll just be a funny colored pegasus, at least in part due to SPES slamming down on the autism because he doesn't like birds.

>>28533388
SPES fucking loves birds kiddo.

>>28533398

That's Gimp, isnt it?

>>28533297
you're giving FF a lot of leniancy here. I can't recall an opening as painfully long or as awkward as 'there's something in the woodsx10', it was far from being the best opener ever.

Plus FF is an art quest, which helps and Res's popularity has always been a rock solid core of only about a dozen readers. He was never hugely popular, just consistently did well for himself in playercount.

>>28533297
>>28533304
I certainly agree with you about Warrant.

Forgotten Faces has struck a chord with me, pretty much the whole thing has been neat, and there's already a story I'm greatly looking forward to exploring. While I don't think it's the best quest we've had, it's certainly pretty strong.

Warrant, however, is just uninteresting as a whole so far. It's very much a 'do what you want' quest. Definitely closer to Biggs 2 than Urban in terms of quality thus far.
As for Hypequest, I don't think Res ever intended that to be a super successful quest, and there's reason for that. He had to go do military things and figured he had time for a little epilogue quest before he left. It was more for urban fans than anything, and played as a simple, safe SoL.

As for Warrant feeling samey, I agree with that too. It feels a bit formulaic, actually. The same elements that were present in Hypequest and Urban are present here too, as you described. Now there's nothing wrong with sticking with what works, but putting new wrapping on an old thing isn't that interesting. Guri does certainly feel similar to Gar as an MC, and Velvet's character isn't much new either. She's what you'd get if you made Shade into a female unicorn, basically. Take that on top of the things that you described, yeah, there's not much interesting in Warrant.

>>28533297
>this blind praise for an alright/10 quest start
>comparing an image quest to a text quest
It's shit.

>>28530957

But Anon, Mendacity is coming back. Soon.

>>28532944

I continually posted that Mendacity would come back in the hope that repeating something often enough would make it true.

I think it's working.

>>28533297
>most people seem "eh" about Warrant while everyone waits with baited breath for Forgotten Faces to return
I object to the word most. I am sure FF has its fair share of fans but I personally find the entire thing to be utterly uninteresting. It feels formulaic and the MC feels bland and uninteresting to me. I'm glad you enjoy it but that's just your opinion man. Everyone likes different things. And as for the best opening ever, easy there Doxel.

>>28533388
Then why did he make it a bird in the first place?

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>>28533304
>The character has essentially turned into Gar 2.0 which has made the quest the worst sort of mixture between Skyrim and Urban

>>28533519
Because he made the mistake of pointing out that character creation has no limits.

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>>28533297
>Honestly, Forgotten Faces might be the best quest introduction ever.

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>>28533494

>>28533561
Well he's done drawing bats.

>>28533297
>this is the best thing ever and I think everyone agrees
>>28533346
>>28533355
>>28533416
>>28533491
>>28533514
>>28533553
>I disagree

The lesson here is that you should phrase your opinions as opinions.

>>28533583
>Use subjective language when speaking subjectively
Huh, who'da thunk it?

>>28533297
>>28533304
Those are some hot opinions right there.

>>28533297
I fell off of FF early on. The character creation was a slog through bird autism and the main team seems designed to be PERSONALITIES!!! instead of characters to me.

>>28533588

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>>28533575
Now he just draws sekrit club OC's.

>>28533629
>the main team seems designed to be PERSONALITIES!!! instead of characters
I think I understand what you mean, but can you explain it to me anyway?

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>>28533629
but anon, the waifu

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>>28533647
whoops, wrong pic there, I got ya bud.

>>28533636
who's the qt bate that's not Beard.

>>28533683
That's Appul. She's an apple farmer.

>>28533683
Appul

>>28533667
good man.

>>28533644
They feel like they're designed to each have stand out and impressive personalities that stand out harshly against each other. Instead of being characters in a story that will stand out or mesh with each other and the world naturally.

This is one of the reasons stand alone OCs don't usually mesh well with stories. The personality is all in the character, which means it has to be super special unique and stand out when placed against other stand alone OCs usually, instead of how the character fits into the world.

Hey, speaking of sekrit club, did discord fuck up anyone else's new win 10 laptop. It was literally the only thing I downloaded, so it was that or a driver update. yes, win 10 was a mistake and I am an impulsive Amazon shopping retard

>>28533735
>Sekrit club
heh
>Windows 10
AHAHAHAHA

>>28533735
define fuck up.

im on win10 like a good cuck and not having any troubles.

>>28533735
Put off updates as long as possible. They have a habit of fucking up your PC this generation.

>>28533742
shut up, i used to be smart with computer, then I got old and stopped caring and suddenly needed a new one for work, it will happen to you some day, mark my words

>>28533756
That's what I thought, thanks, I'll give discord a second chance, eventually.

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>>28533735
>Proprietary software
>Windows auto updates enabled

>>28533796
it was late, I needed it quick, and I'm stupid. I have no excuses.

>>28533432
>made Shade into a female unicorn
I have a new waifu it seems

>>28533796
>disable auto updates
>turn off computer to go to sleep
>get woken up a 3 am due to my PC suddenly turning on for an update
fuck windows 10

Oh hey wow, it's kinda late, haha.

Fuck me for being busy today

Who's ready for some late night adventures in history?

Can Starswirl and Ghost Scribe figure out how to deal with the accidentally summoned Lord of Flames, Ifrit?

You decide!

>>28519022
>>28519022

>>28533994
Also I had a dream last night

My thread was flooded with /b/-tier shitposting and deleted as a result. Scariest dream I've had in a while.

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>>28533994

>an historical

>>28533994
>Begins to run as I get into bed.

Damnit man.

>>28533994
>Saying that you've started without actually posting an update

>>28534133
Sorry, I was in the middle of typing when my

baby sister woke up. I'm babysitting right now.

>>28534212
Nigga why

>>28534355
Why what

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Running out the thread... Possibly.
>>28534459
>>28534459

>>28534464
can I inject the shroom?

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>>28533699
>bat
>working legally
>working at all

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What are some CYOAs you haven't gotten around to reading, Anon?

>>28536018
I read only Crystal Symphony and Forgotten Faces right now. I can't force myself to pick anything else at the moment.

>>28536018
My own

Batter stole my bike!

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>>28536112

>>28536282
Is that a bandaged turd?

Good morning, i'm feeling alot better today so hopefully updates will come a little sooner than usual.

>>28490821

>>28536367
ONE update. Ah. Ah. Ah.
TWO updates. Ah. Ah. Ah.

>>28536383
How are you all today?

>>28536381
I'm not sure how to interpret this.

>>28536386
I'm drunk. Expect bullshit.

>>28536393
Ah. Ah. Ah.

>>28536313
Well you got the turd part right.

>>28536393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AoxCkySv34

>>28536401
I've got a serious ambien hangover, let's do this.

>>28536409
Fuck, how did I miss that reference.

Okay, I get it now...

>>28536072
I only read my own CYOA when I masturbate.

>>28533636
All this time and they still have the same fucking expression.

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CYOA kinda been dead lately, but why? Kids going back to school? A natural lull in the bell curve of activity? Sekrit club? The death of the fandom and all things pony? Is it somehow Doxel's fault?

>>28536932
Yes, also fuck off doxel

>>28536932
It's the low point in popularity curve, also fucking kill yourself.

>>28536932
stop posting that pony shit on here

Which CYOA did you really want to like but couldn't stick with it for whatever reason and what is that reason?

>>28536367
Hey, this CYOA's not bad. I like my spooky spooks though, so I'm biased.

>>28537060
Not posting a question horse will get you nowhere son.

>>28537060
Yours

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>>28537070
Oh, damnit. One sec.

Okay, let's try this again:

Which CYOA did you really want to like but couldn't stick with it for whatever reason and what is that reason?

>>28537079
Boatquest and the new Fallout Equestria.

I dropped both due to the MC's characterization.

>>28537064
I only wish I could update faster, but at the same time I like to think things out instead of simply meeting a speed quota. Though i'm not sure if the players feel the same way, for all I know they're all getting impatient with me but just aren't saying anything in an attempt to be nice about it.

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Waifu?
Art is mine

>>28537121
I just started reading it but your update rate looks good to me, above average even.

>Though i'm not sure if the players feel the same way, for all I know they're all getting impatient with me but just aren't saying anything in an attempt to be nice about it.
>impatient players
>nice
That's deffinately something you don't have to worry about.

>>28537079
That's better, now I can answer.

I think Inept is the shit, but some of the older quests are definitely a "you had to be there" kind of thing. They seemed more fun to play than to read.

Angel Wings is for marriage!

>>28537254
And divorce

>>28536823
>

>>28537262
And awkward drunken post divorce sex.

>>28537333
Nice triple threes.

Did you know that "four" is the only english word for a number that has as many letters as the number it's describing?

>>28537150
Wrong thread

>>28537670
no u

>>28537511
To.

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War in the North continues as the party treks through the rocky path:
>>28537845

>>28537850
SUBPAR

>>28537857
PLOT

>>28537857
>>28537866
>unicorns

>>28537079
Dirty Work. Just couldn't hold me. Same goes for Falloutquest. I like it and played it for a while but it just lost me.

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Whaddaya drinkin tonight, /cyoa/?

>>28537981

Something girly and fruity, probably.

>>28537981
German beer and Spanish wine.

>>28537981
Mc Cola

>>28537981
Water.

>>28537981
Your dick lmao

>>28538036
Nice, do you spit or swallow?

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>>28537994

>>28538041
I share the load.

>>28538071
Sweet, can I stick it in your boipvxxi as well?

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>>28538068

>>28538096
>we will never see him again

Bard Quest: Our friendships are proved to be grown exclusivelly with natural ingredients such as hugs and heart to heart discussion instead of industrial friendship beams: returns!

>>28538207

2VDIG-F8YTZ-NV7EE1

>>28538223
Anybody here ever put a jumble of numbers and letters into Steam to get free games?

>>28538296
have you done it?

>>28538301
I just thought on it, haven't decided to try it or not.

>>28538314
>imb4 Bad Rats

>>28538327
Got nothing from 10 tries and they apparently limit you on the number of attempts you can make.

>>28538390
I fucked up while pasting. The 1 is not part of the code
2VDIG-F8YTZ-NV7EE

>>28538451
Figured that out before I posted. FNAF3 right?

>>28538461
yea

>>28538083
Not him but you can stick it in mine

MQWEC-D6DYX-4D2GJ
JBT6Z-BWNZ9-PKWJH
7Q6R0-5LJEF-8WHDA
5E8ZH-73XRK-6LRIJ
8MCTA-PA3T5-PTJ7R
Enjoy

>>28538614
Since the QM seems to refuse to post it himself.

>>28538667
>missed em all
I bet they were all taken anyway...

>>28538723
I literally bought them right before posting, so they can't be. Hit me up in Sekrit club if you still want one :^)

>>28538757
I don't sekrit :^(
Plus I don't even know if they're good games.

>>28538757
they are all taken.

>>28538783
Devil Daggers

>>28538822
Meh, easily piratable. Didn't lose much.

An Historical anon here, phoneposting from my sisters robotics competition.

Is it okay to make decisions based on information that you but not the players are privy to?

Ex. The players choose path A, but you have information and characters that would only have been revealed through path B.

Is it okay to make decisions using the knowledge and characters the players managed to miss?

Just out of curiosity

>>28539058
Yes.

>>28539058
No.

>>28539058
Maybe

>>28539058
What decisions would you be making as the QM? To railroad against player choice and force them on path B despite them choosing A?

>>28539104

I don't know.

>>28539058
can you rephrase the question?

>>28539058
I'm not entirely sure what exactly it is you're asking.
Are you asking if it's ok to ignore the players choices because they needed to go to path B but instead chose A? Because if so, no.
If that's not what you mean, you need to rephrase your question.
What decisions are you making exactly?

>>28539126
Railroading? No. But I believe that characters deserve characterization away from the MC. So say two characters develop a relationship, or someone is hurt.

The players would not have this information due to having gone down a separate path and receiving other info.

>>28539058
If you're asking "you don't meet the other ponies and they continue their "mission" without the main character" then yeah that's fine.

>>28539169
To clarify, the MC and thusly players cannot know everything.

Is it okay to make decisions based around info they never received?

>>28539058
Is it ok for the QM to make world/story decisions based on info the players don't have? Yes.

Is it ok for the QM to force the MC down a certain path due to info players don't have? No.

You need to be more specific.

>>28539172
Yes, this. Thank you.

>>28539169
Something very important to keep in mind when writing is that the world is alive. Things are always happening with or without the presence of the main character. If they are not there, it still happens, and the characters may come across the results at a later period.

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>>28539169
>>28539179

>impyling railroading is a bad thing if the players are too stupid to take obvious hints or come up with any plan

>>28539193
Those are both me.

Sorry if I sound retarded. I'm really just trying to make sure my quest goes as well as it possibly can.

>>28539206
If players are too stupid to take obvious hints or come up with any plan, you don't railroad them to safety. You punish them.

>>28539227
But then
>DUDE YOU PUNISHED US FOR NO REASON IM OUT
And then you have no players.

>>28539256
Then you go as anon, point out all the little hints that are actually there, and tell everyone else that you were asleep or at work and thus couldn't point them out in time.

>>28539275
>QM undercoverfagging as player
that's actually much worse than railroading. QMs who do that are human garbage.

>>28539295

There probably isn't a single QM who hasn't done this. They will never admit it of course.

>>28539295
I disagree. I don't mind a QM trying to help us out while still allowing us to make our own decisions, but one that railroads me makes me want to drop everything they run immediately. "Are you sure you want to do that? Do you remember X?" is a lot less irritating than "No, you are going to do Y because the plot demands it."

>>28539295
A agree. QM's posting as players is a terrible practice and it sickens me that it's apparently common. I want complete transparency from the QM. If he wants to post a suggestion with his name that's fine.

>>28539400
Thats retarded, if a qm posts a suggestion with his name on then all the players are obviously going to take it as the 'right option'. If they QM posts as anon then the players still have room to fail.

>>28539431
>when players are stuck, the best way to help them is to give them vague and unclear hints they may or may not take to give them a fair chance to remain stuck.
Yeah and that's totally not retarded at all.

>>28539303
paranoid much?

>>28539465
If you're stuck after a poster gives you the correct solution then you're hopelessly stupid or too busy grinding an axe to play. You shouldn't need a tripcode to convince you.

>>28539303
I haven't but you'd never believe me anyway.

It's okay when Nips does it.

>>28539491
Because he draws porn and pretty pictures!

>>28539491
No it isn't.

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>>28533297

Glad to hear I'm doing something right, at least.

Forgotten Faces resumes.

>>28539583

>>28539598
Night Delivery: now with qt husbando for a short period of time.

I'm thinking about running a quest with rpg rules, what are a couple of good examples of quests that used rpg-style rules?

>>28539964
These

>>28539964
In what sense?

>>28539964
Elaborate.

>>28539964
Hijack has hands-down the best combat systems. If you can't make it as engaging as that stick to narrative combat.

Angel smells.

>>28539996
>The quest that kicked its combat system for being shitty has the best combat system

>>28540012
>The only quest many players agreed was better when it had systems instead of narrative combat has shitty combat.

>>28539987
Well, right now just anything that uses a decent rpg battle system so I can see what was successful

>>28540008
Smells good yeah.

>>28540020
>The only quest that doesn't actually exist
I don't know what players you were polling, but combat in Hijack jumps around at the whim of Hijacker.

>>28540020
better doesn't necessarily mean good

>>28539996
>best combat systems
>solved or outright broken by the end of the first encounter every time.

>>28540022
There isn't one really. Most battle systems don't get players so QMs eventually stop doing them. Hijack could be termed as the most 'successful' and it was removed and revamped half a dozen times and still gets little player engagement.

If you just want examples of battle systems then: Hijack, early Shooting Stars, a variety of Inept productions, LandFall, the various Spaces, A Foal‘s Adventure, and early Alchemy.

>>28540026
She reeks of sweat, and her inability not to be a psycho

>>28540147
Fuck off Garey.

>>28540181
>Implying Garey "Emptying my nine on the waifu line" Gash can be stopped

>>28540217
Fuck off Res.

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>>28540053
>>solved or outright broken by the end of the first encounter every time.

Who's to say the combat isn't intentionally designed to be exploitable? You only have one chance in a CYOA to get a battle right, and if you fail that you possibly kill the character and fuck up the story.

Hijack combat was built on the ideas of exploits, flow, and setups. It only follows that each character has a means to get to that end. Just because the players can identify ONE strategy that works, doesn't mean other strategies don't exist and it certainly doesn't mean the combat is "broken." though there are admittedly some aspects that could be tweaked further

I think it's better to have a successful battle and to allow players to 'break' (read: Understand) a system after a cursory read than to have an overly complex one that offers nothing but fluff and boring as hell engagements. In fact, the reworks that happen are intended to minimize samey strategies, not weaken them

Also, the combat has NOT been revamped a half dozen times. I will admit I have pretty haphazard in maintaining it, but the combat is not so excessively complex that every change means you have to relearn the basics. in fact, most of the old combos still work

Finally, in its current state, there is little significantly wrong with Hijack combat as far as I am concerned outside of unifying the movelists so they all read and play similarly

The players take decent damage to encourage smart decisions most of the time, there are several options both narratively and systemically to facilitate player strategy, and the player characters have distinctly different but still familiar play styles. There is nothing that one shots the player without fair warning, and so far every encounter has been reasonably unique and for the most part optional adding yet ANOTHER approach to combat

>>28540012
That isn't why that happened.

>>28540457
>it's supposed to be shit

>>28539599
Cool bean

>>28540457
So what you're saying is, they're puzzles.
With a fuckload of numbers.

Hey hey, who's ready for some late night adventures in Equestrian History?

Now with 20% more horse racism.

inb4 an historical

>>28519022
>>28519022

>>28540715
Shit, don't mind the name.

I was Jojo posting,

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>>28540724

>>28540715
I don't know dick about jojo, but now this is stuck in my head and I'm angry about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAKOLOnfV4

>>28540883
Fuck, it just got worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lul-Y8vSr0I

Happy birthday!

>>28541039
You too.

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Party hat for Choosie?

>>28541162
Oh, Op images only, right.

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>>28541039

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>>28541162

>>28541220
Yay!

>paperanon will never make his cyoa

>>28541525
But paperanon is cammy and inept

>Crystal Symphony died

Fucking hell.

>>28541525
I'm sorry for getting your guys's hopes up over that. In my defence, I did say I probably wouldn't run it.
3d art is hard, and I haven't been doing it as long as I have pixel shit. I'll spend a few days or weeks working on stuff, then get pissed off at it, scrap it, and then lose interest, and then repeat the process a week or month later when I get interested in the idea again. I'm already starting to get dissatisfied with the shit I've thrown together over the last week or so.
I'm more or less at the same level of progress on running a quest as I was a year ago.
I'll never finish this, or any other project I've started or will ever start. I'm lazy worthless garbage with no motivation or drive.
I can't even take compliments seriously. Anytime someone compliments me I feel good for a while, and then just end up feeling like shit for some reason. I am unable to be happy with myself or anything I create. It will never happen, at least not from me.
I genuinely doubt that that anything but the visuals would be "good" or interesting anyway. I'm not funny, or creative, so it'd probably just end up being a disappointment for everyone involved.

I'm sorry.

>>28541565
I'm neither of those people. I don't have a name that I use anywhere, here or in sekrit, and have never run a real quest.

>>28541734
That was the joke. That all the pixel artist are the same person.

>>28541748
oh.

>>28541734
Well, you've got the depression and self-hate down, so you're already well on your way to being a QM.

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>>28541734
Mang, good luck with that. At least I try to do things for my own sake rather than other people's, that keeps things fun if you can keep low pressure and forget the ideal of perfection.
Also, could you add these to the paper pony folder?

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>>28541771
Fugg, forgot to scale it

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I also noticed I didn't add wings to Dandy, who was one of the first poners I made. Why did no one mention my error?

>>28541762
If only the depression and self-hate wasn't to a crippling extent.

>>28541771
>>28541791
I put my versions on there, is there something different about these two, aside from the scarf thing on applejack?
Is it okay if I put them in the "other peoples stuff folder" or do you want them tossed in with the ones made by me?

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>>28541817
Other people's folder is okay, and there's a few changes, yeah. Not depicted is Mirria's slight change in height which was applied to the base sprite.

>>28541846
Alrighty, it's in there.

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>>28540715

>an historical

>>28541525
>>28541734
Aren't you cough forgetting someone?

Also bump

>>28542019
Where's that gif from?

>>28542048
I don't think so. Was I supposed to mention someone specific in my self-hating blog post?

>>28542155
It was for the other anon but, I know your pain. You want to get better. But you can't because you simply don't have time

>>28542203
Oh no, I have plenty of time. Just no motivation or drive to improve myself or finish anything I start.
My problem is that I'm lazy and apathetic.
The shit I have now would probably be fine, I'd just need to finish it and put in the effort to build locations that would be interesting to explore in a CYOA format.

>>28542076

The internet

>>28542284
Yeah...we're not so different you and I, I've got like great ideas/characters/locations and all for a quest, but I'm just too lazy and unmotivated to try, and when I do wanna try, technical difficulties arises.

>>28542380
you could be like me
have a ton of ideas
have a current quest that's in progress
have the capability necessary to run
have the documents ready to go

and then you just play monhun or overwatch

>>28541608
It's like I can't go to sleep because everytime I wake up it's either dead or on page 10.

>>28542704
The daily life of a cyoa.

>>28542859
I've failed you Vince. I'm sorry.

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Good morning, CYOA!

>>28541193
party hard, little burrito

>>28543346
Time for space adventures!

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>>28542938
I might run today regardless, we'll see!

>>28543373
Btw, is schoolquest dead?

>>28543593
Yes

>>28543593
Having trouble with using the sprites, sadly, and I do not have time to repair or remake them. So unless I'll do it text-only, I'm afraid so, and my plan was to have it be with images and sprites.

>>28543610
>>28543613

Welp, I wouldn't mind text only, but don't force yourself if you feel like making Virgin Rock or something else
Peace, friendo

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>>28542427
>hijack
>in progress

We're back.
>>28490821

Out of Horsey,Basil(Drone1034), and Pannini, which is best cook pone?

>>28545047
Horsey. Plenty of experience putting buns in Angel's oven

>>28545047
Pannainaniaanini

>>28545047
But panini is dead

>>28545338
They all are dead anon....

>>28545350
Panini is the deadest

>>28545381
Panini is deader than /cyoa/.