>IDW completely ignores pony now >Just wants to push this

>>28452923
The art is not even ponies but some blowout toys, what the fuck happened?

To be fair that was when S3 was happening. Show was at its lowest point and the comics were novel and wowed everyone.

Then the show started to get back up around S4 and the comics sadly started to tank in quality.

I've been meaning to start reading the comics, when do they start to get bad?

>>28452923
>Remember when they were "better than the show?"
For a very, very short period in 2013, with the occasional gem showing through. The comics have been shit for years.

>>28452936
Right after the first Big Mac arc.

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>>28452936
Reflections is generally seen as the first real decline around the ending of it. Although the quality didn't start to truly fall flat on its ass until the Bull arc.

Just look at how well Twilight is written!

>>28452940
>>28452950
Pretty much this. There's a few better ones that do shine through the mess after that point, but generally before then everything is pretty good and fun.

Kek comics are shitty fanfiction anyhow
The show staff doesn't even read them

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>>28452950
The Nightmare Rarity arc was one of my favorite storylines in all of pony

>>28452955
Nick Confalone does, but he just took a name from it and ignored everything else.

>>28452958
Too bad it's not canon

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>>28452967
Yeah, wish it was though, was a great arc and showed Rarity's internal conflict

>>28452923

Bobby don't care anymore and he isn't even putting advertisements of the MLP comics in the other comics, meanwhile MLP have 3 pages of shill for transformers, tmnt and that strawberry girl into the last 3 pages

>>28452967
That....wasn't even remotely the point. He said he liked it. If i said I liked one of the random porn generals better than the show are you going to come and state it is not canon too. Oh wait, that is what the fan of the fandom tag is for.

>>28452936
Issues 18-25 depending on if you like reflections or not. The Side comics are okay until around the same point.

>>28453046
Main Series does have some gems in that period. The Power Ponies special had some pretty neat villains and it was nice to have non-M6 Power Ponies and Humdrum. Wish they got used in fanart a lot more. Least High Heel has quite a few pics.

>>28452958
Nightmare Rarity was garbage, and proof that IDW makes it a goal to take a really good idea and find out how they can ruin it. There were so many good factors that SHOULD have made it great, but honestly they killed all of them.

>>28453121
It's the way all tension is completely killed.

>>28453121
I still think the first 17 issues were varying degrees of okay. Subjective taste of an objective noncanon series can vary.

>>28453171
It's not just that, there were a lot of little things.

>Starting it off with corrupting Rarity before randomly switching to "lol possession"
>Spike shouldn't have been in the arc at all, there was too much split focus between the Mane 5, Luna and him. He was honestly just wasting space in a thread that went nowhere about his crush for her.
>The moon creatures were dumb
>Features another signature IDW trait: Buildup to fucking nothing

I don't really remember much of the first arc, but I do feel like Nightmarity was a preview of what was to come from the line.

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>>28452923
>Remember when they were "better than the show?"
they were never better than the show is overall. When they FIRST came out they were better than the show was AT THE MOMENT, but they literally launched at the same time season 3 started.

>>28453421
First arc was Chrysalis capturing the CMC to bring the main six to her, but it was just a dog and pony show with changelings. End result was her castle becoming her prison until Twilight lets her out in a later issue which gave a changeling origin no one gave a fuck about because it wasn't on discovery family.

>>28453457
I remember the first arc was Chrysalis, I'm just saying I barely remember anything of it save the brief sypnosos.

>>28453475
Outside of some memes it was chrysalis gloating, the cmc being annoying and a countdown til she loses.

>>28453457
The Changeling origin was retarded and is now completely non canon.

I remember when people jumped ship and said "I will only read the comics now, fuck the show."

If they only knew, that it would be more shit then the show

>>28453505
It mainly makes Celestia look like a total cunt given that if you take the comic as law, then Celestia mutilated an entire race so bad even their children have the same wounds for eternity.

Obvious why the show writers want to stay far away from that.

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>>28453121
>he hates Nightmarity

>>28453523
>mutilated an entire race so bad even their children have the same wounds for eternity.
You realize this is Tolkien's explanation of the origin of orcs, right?

>>28453505
Didn't say it wasn't stupid I said it wasn't given the time of day because of the medium.

>>28453560
It doesn't really make it any better, especially when said mutilator is still on the show and supposed to be the good one.

Plus it gets into retarded power level shit if Celestia is apparently strong enough to hurt someone so hard their DNA changes.

>>28453575
She moves the sun, she should have been a game changer not just an exposition fairy to get ko'd to show how good Twilight is

>>28453575
>Plus it gets into retarded power level shit if Celestia is apparently strong enough to hurt someone so hard their DNA changes.

Look up epigenetic methylation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10486479/Phobias-may-be-memories-passed-down-in-genes-from-ancestors.html

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>>28453545
I don't hate the idea of Nightmare Rarity, quite the opposite. I just think IDW did what they do best and ruined a really cool idea.

>>28453582
Because her special talent is that. In show she's never done something on that scale, else she would have rek'd Cheeselegs easy, love power boost or not.

>>28453560
The world of Tolkien is not the world of MLP.

>>28453676
>Celestia's special talent is raising the sun
Why hello there, headcanon.

>>28453689
Ask me how I know you have never read a Faust interview.

>>28453724
Sun is literally on her ass, therefore special talent is sun raising.

The literal goddess power level shit is the headcanon.

>>28453724
Go ahead, give me an exact quote fron Faust where she says it literally is Tolkien.

Things can be inspired, but that doesn't mean it shares everything. Just because Tolkien did something, doesn't mean it fits the world of MLP.

>>28452923
They now only make me think of that Bernie drawing with the quote "We're gonna destroy the establishment oops look slike I lost your donations to the establishment. Vote for the esablishment."

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>>28453735
Which episode was it where they explain Celestia's special talent? OH WAIT.

>>28453737
If you are this dense, I can't help you.

>>28452958
the worst arc of the comics.

>all the "jokes" are references, memes or puns and none of them are funny
>the story somehow ends with three deus ex machinas which are objectively unexplainable
>worst art of the first two volumes.
>nightmare rarity is a cool concept ruined by the worst comic

>>28452923
GOH was delayed because IDW didn't get it ready in time.

>>28453859
Why didn't they get it ready in time when they had 8+ months of notice and no one involved with it was doing anything more important?

>>28453877
Probably because they were lazy? Ask what level of incompetence IDW has to portray for Hasbro to take away their license?

>>28453891
They got at least a few of them written.

>>28453774
>cutie marks represent a special talent
>a sun somehow doesn't represent that raising the sun is hers
And you call someone else dense. Speaking of which, if you can't quote shit to back up your claims, don't bother making them.

>>28453774
>I don't have to back up a claim I made, you're just dense!
How is it dense if you make a claim, then do nothing to support it aside from an "Educate yourself" excuse? Just show me where Faust says Tolkien's world and Equestria are completely the same in tone.

>>28453877
>>28453891
They did the same thing with Transformers. With the new Titan Returns toyline, they were supposed to release the Titan Returns comic arc, but they delayed it so they can do their cruddy "Revalations" crossover arc nobody is interested in, except for someone high up at IDW who is obsessed with ROM. (The current Titan Returns comic are just a prequel to the actual event)

>>28454102
There's some higher up at Hasbro with a boner for ROM too, they recently filed a trademark for an animated series. If they couldn't reboot Jem, a series that still has a cult following to this day, how in the fuck do they think ROM will do well?

I had literally never heard of it. I mean I wasn't alive in the 80s, but I was aware of the franchises that were around then when I was a kid. GI Joe, Transformers, etc. ROM has no nostalgia to it from almost anyone.

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>>28454186
I don't think you get what I mean by "obsession with ROM". So what if Hasbro is trying to reboot ROM with a cartoon, Hasbro is doing a lot. They're trying to bring back Micronauts, Stretch Armstrong, MASK, Visionaries, ROM os juat one of many things they're trying to bring back, that's hardly a boner at all

But the reason that it's evident someone at IDW has a boner for ROM, is the fact that they keep trying to center so much around him when no one really gives a shit. Remember the ROM MLP cover? There are a ton of them across all lines that feature him and make him look like some shitty OC. He's also the center of Revelations it appears, and IDW only seems to want to give him attention because if whoever is obsessed with him.

What's most likely is Hasbro approached them with a bunch of lines they want to reboot (One of which being ROM), yet they only took notice of ROM and want to obsessively focus on him.

>>28454242
None of those things have any nostalgia appeal so they shouldn't sell it on that.

And yeah, honestly if I ran this sort of thing I would think that GI Joe and Transformers teaming up is more marketable. Promote the "new" line secondarily, because as I said no one is picking it up for MASK/Micronauts/ROM.

>>28454255
GI Joe is nearly dead as war is now viewed negatively in the public eye. They only people interested in it are the people who liked it as a kid. Its toy sales are bad.

And as far as I'm aware, the reason Hasbri is trying to relaunch Micronauts/Visionaries/Rom is because apparently they're looking to launch a cinematic universe with GI Joe. (Transformers apparently can't be involved because of a contract with Paramount, think the same thing that happened to Spiderman with Marvel)

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>this thread

>>>/co/

>>28454275
Honestly the real problem with IDW MLP is Bobby Curnow. Well and EqD shilling them so much.

>>28453934
It could mean that, or it could mean something else. Unless it's stated explicitly in the show, it's headcanon. Sorry to burst your bubble.

>>28454102
Faust never said the two worlds are exactly the same and I never insinuated that they were or that she did. This whole exchange started with you (or some anon) saying "damaging an individual so badly that the wounds are carried over to their offspring, changing their DNA, is stupid and doesn't fit the world of MLP." I countered that it does fit, because Faust has stated she was inspired by Middle-Earth in conceiving Equestria and its lore and this is exactly Tolkien's origin story for orcs. Given that Faust pulled liberally from LOTR, and given that this type of origin story is present in LOTR, there's reason to think it does fit the overall cosmology of MLP and you are wrong.

Face it. Your argument against that changeling origin story is "I don't like it, so it doesn't fit." That's just childish. You have no story-based reasons for saying it doesn't fit the world.

The comics and the show are equally shit.

>>28456007
Let's be fair though, what else could a freaking sun be?

Whatever the answer at least I'm glad you have good taste regarding the changeling origins and can think logically so that Thorax's episode does not make the comics invalid.

>>28456007
> is stupid and doesn't fit the world of MLP.
I never said it was stupid, I just said it didn't fit the world. Just like random DBZ tier fights feel out of place, and no one would want to see a robotic takeover in the series as it wouldn't really fit. My point was the world of Tolkien and MLP are two very different things, and saying "Oh one thing did it, and it inspired the other, so it must fit there too" is wrong.

There are several beaming flaws in your argument.

>Faust has stated she was inspired
>Inspired
Again, inspired =/= it's the same. It is also inspired by the Rescue at the Midnight Castle, but that doesn't mean everything that fit there will fit in FiM. You don't see trolls running around or a little human girl. An exact example would be Tirek, who is regarded to be a much darker entity compared to his G1 counterpart.

Second, this was something taken from the COMICS, not Faust's original vision. The comics are something that on numerous occasions have clashed with the series, and created contradictions. You cannot compare Faust to this, as it was not Faust who brought this idea in about the changelings. Likening it to her doesn't fit, as she was not the one who introduced it.

Lastly, the tone of the series matters. LOTR has dealt with deaths of characters and so on, but just because they do it, doesn't mean it fits in the tone of MLP. Would it really feel in the spirit of the show if Fluttershy was killed off and all the characters had to progress around it? Or if Starlight was killed off? No, it would be deemed as too edgy, unfitting.

>Your argument against that changeling origin story is "I don't like it, so it doesn't fit." That's just childish.
You seem like you built more of a strawman against someone who isn't talking with you, rather than facing what has been addressed at hand.

>>28456279
I should add, before you reply, I never read the changelings comic, so I don't know about their origin, nor do I really care because the comics are shit. My only reply was >>28453689 merely saying that just because Tolkien did something doesn't mean it would make sense in the world of MLP, I'm not specifically referring to the changelings. But you have to understand the concept of different tones in series, if this doesn't get to you, I don't know what will.

I never liked the comics. I've only read the two first stories, and they were disappointments. I was expecting Carl Barks in Equestria, I got a shitty, poorly drawn American comic. My expectations were probably way too high, but still.

>>28456354
They got shitty talent to work on them to begin with, what did you expect?

>>28456374
Something as good as Archie comics.

>>28456411
Well we got Archie Sonic, Penders-era, with worse art.

>>28456424
Ken Penders is still a better writer than most of the people writing for IDW.

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>>28452923

You would add to the.

>Whitley stealing artist from the comic to work in his SJW lesbian comic

>>28456458
He can take that cunt, turns out she's a bitch. Especially if it means Whitley will finally leave too.

>>28456475
She's not a bitch, she's just obnoxious as hell and has unacceptable behavior even at a fucking pony convention.

>>28456480
Isn't it true that she is banned from panels?

>>28456485
Nah, she's just considerably more drunk than people at most panels, even informal "drunk panels." Plus she's obnoxious.

She's going to her last con this year and I'm not sure anyone but Whitley will miss her. The only thing that would make Whitley cream himself more was if she was some shade of brown. An obnoxious and energetic lesbian doing art for his comic? It's his wet dream. She's also doing the only good art his comic has ever gotten.

>>28456485
Last I heard (Bronycon) there were a lot of complaints but nothing changed.

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Speaking of cons, Jay Fosgitt is apparently going to be at New York Comic Con this year. I really want to talk to him to find out if he gives a shit about MLP or whatever.

Like, I certainly wouldn't be autistic about it, but you can easily tell within a minute of casual chit chat how they feel about their job. Andy Price, for example, when I was talking to him, it was evident by his words that he's really doesn't like being loomed over by Hasbro, and is a little frustrated about his job. Katie Cook, on the other hand, didn't seem to care, and just doesn't want to be solely recognized for MLP.

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>>28456458

I've met Jenn Blake IRL. She's basically a female version of us, if you know what I mean. She waifus Rarity super hard and apparently has been trying to get one of the writers to pick her for a Rarity comic.

I really fucking mad with Whitley, he literally take her from the comics to work into a his shitty lesbian comic.

Jeremy is literally using the IDW MLP comic only to get more artist in his princeless comic.

>>28456574

come on dude, she may be a legitimate fan of the show, but she's far more insane than anyone here. I thought she was cool, but after finding out some of the things she does at cons, I'd rather her fuck off from the comics.

She went to panels at Bronycon drunk, and went on to insult the fandom, you know like the way Ghostbusters did. According to reports from other cons, this isn't a first.

I thought she was cool with having a waifu and all, but after finding out stuff like that, I really don't want her around.

>>28456595
It was less insulting the fandom and more just shitposting IRL.

>>28456574
Whitley only uses the comic to promote his shitty lesbian power fantasy comic.

>>28456571
Fosgitt is apparently pretty cool and will admit he doesn't really know much about MLP. I would almost respect it did he not steal clip art and piss off a writer.

>>28456571
Also from what I've heard Hasbro is so hands off with licensing that if he finds them restrictive he won't work well anywhere.

>>28456595
Same feelings myself. Shitposting IRL, especially getting drunk at a con, is definitely not good behavior. I thought waifuing Rara made her cool, but she really seems insane. I heard she also made a bunch of uncomfortable jew jokes with that "No no, it's okay, my girlfriend is jewish".

>>28456608
That's pretty much what I was expecting for Fosgitt, but I wanted to see first hand.

>and piss off a writer
What happened, are you referring to what went down with the Gilda and Rarity comic?

>>28456612
Yeah, I was thinking the same. When I asked him about how he felt working with Hasbro, he didn't really sound happy. He kind of said they're always over him, looking over what they have, and he brought up the rejected Rarity Micro. Meanwhile, when I spoke with other IDW Hasbro-brand artists (some GI Joe and Transformers guys) they seemed to have a much more positive view with Hasbro, and seemed like they had a lot of fun going back and forth with them, and making it sound like they were pretty easy going.

>>28456677
Most companies don't allow artists to do con sketch commissions of their IPs. I don't know what he is bitching about, especially if he is still butthurt over that Rarity comic that got rejected.

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>>28456677

>What happened, are you referring to what went down with the Gilda and Rarity comic?

Yes, she literally fuck of after that issue and never return.

>>28456677

>He kind of said they're always over him, looking over what they have

Probably those IDW Hasbro-brand artists don't have the same antecedent than Andy and his recognized spanks fetish draws

http://g.e-hentai.org/g/366322/e203a5986c/

August sales numbers.

Finale of "Ponies of Dark Water" sales estimate- 13,263.
RD/Little Strongheart FF sales estimate- 11,350.

>>28457062

Someone need to make a graph with the sales values since the first comic until now

>>28452923
>>28457062

Are those good or bad numbers? I don't know about these things.

Anyways, the comics have slumped since their heyday. But they aren't completely bad or mediocre.

I really like the Diamond Tiara/Silver Spoon 'friends forever', issue.

I'm going to say that the best issues were the Shining armor and Cadence as teenagers arc. But I really liked the rarity in a hippy commune ones as well. Katie Cook and Andy Price did some incredible work back then. They are more suited to writing comedy and slice of life, I feel like their 'epic' stories tend to flop, albeit with redeeming qualities.

Rarity and Applejack going on a buisness trip was really good. And that took place after Reflections... I think.

>>28456752
He even mentioned that he knew the only reason it was rejected was because of the episode (Rarity Takes Manehattan), but he still seemed a little salty over it.

>>28456836
Well I certainly don't think the Transformers artists have a history of drawing the characters getting spanked.

Kek, part of me wants to ask him to draw a pony getting spanked at the next con, and see what he does.

>>28457239

That rejected rarity comic look good?

>>28457248
He didn't show me it or anything, it's not like I got some exclusive look. This was just a casual conversation at his booth at a convention, and didn't say any details, just that his and Cook's idea got rejected because of a then-upcoming episode (which would have had to have been Rarity Takes Manehattan).

Knowing IDW, it was probably about a competitor stealing from Rarity, and the comic would have been about Rarity getting revenge, rather than what happened in the episode where she realized it didn't matter.

>>28457135
>Are those good or bad numbers?

Before Reflections, the comic was selling 23~26,000 copies each month.

So, bad numbers I guess?

>>28457319

So... the best ending would be IDW comic canceling/losing the license?

Any others candidate for the license?

>>28457135
I think one of them said something like they don't need to worry until they reach <10,000. But it looks like they're getting close to that.

>>28457348
The thing is, Hasbro seems to have some sort of relationship with IDW. It doesn't seem to be a good one, so it doesn't seem to be that they'll lose the liscense.

IDW is really only known for its licensed comics (Transformers, MLP, TMNT, Ghostbusters), and I believe that they're actually quite annoyed about that, but they don't want to do anything about it, because of what money it brings them.

In all honesty, I think the best course of action would be Hasbro making their own comic company, or buying out IDW. It wouldn't be that hard, would it? It'll give them more direct control, and allow them to knock off this crap where IDW delays what they should be doing, in favor of lousy crossover events that no one cares for.

Hasbro also has numerous occassions said that they intend to be packing in comics with toys, but that doesn't seem to be working out all the time. Buying up IDW should fix that.

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>>28457358

>>28457507
My mistake, close enough. Still, 13,000 doesn't seem like something to brag about.

>>28457348
Archie

>>28457549
The Shillustrious Q was claiming that 23,000 comics was the lowest the comic would drop after the perfectly normal, healthy and pre-planned sales decline during his Reflections and following Katie Kek damage control rounds.

Now he avoids by all means to draw any attention towards sales figures.

>>28457477
Hasbro could go to Archie which has a WAY better track record.

>>28457583
Boom Comics would have been the perfect franchise holder.

>>28457594
Yes they would, I just think Archie would be easier/cheaper for Hasbro.

Imagine how fucked IDW would be if Hasbro decided to publish their own comics. Like, Transformers and everything.

>>28457629
Hasbro wouldn't waste the money setting it up.

>>28457639
Allspark Pictures says hi.

If they're willing to create a self-financing unit for film, I think they would be willing to make their own comics if they get fed up with IDW.

>>28453672
It's a great example of an interesting concept with a poor execution.

>>28457681
Considering they want to be an entertainment company it would not be surprising. And honestly, getting comics in GoH toys would have benefited them more than some weird crossover that isn't even what their actual cinematic universe is.

>>28457348

Dark horses comics

>>28452923
>reading