So, which one of you is gonna pay for it?

>>25633458
It's not even a chat in real life, holy fuck. They know how to abuse their positions well

>>25633458
OKY wait HOLYSHIT!!!!
guys we need to donate the 100$ to some anon he makes a Twitch stream and the /mlp/ Q&A can start
we could even refund the money in case they'll bitch out of this

>>25633458
Dear God, who? Who would pay to talk to these two? I have nothing against them, but what kind of delusion doofus would you have to be to think that would be worth $100 of your hard-earned money? Only one of them is any kind of celebrity by any stretch of the word and we're talking seriously D-list even then.

For trolling, sure - it would be funny. What I want to know is who would genuinely want to pay for this? I'd sooner pay $100 to some cam-whore and at least get some tits.

If dubs we make a campaign on kickstarter.

>>25633458
You know, they aren't obligated to do what you ask them to.

Although an Applebloom fic reading with show-accurate voice would be interesting, it's never gonna happen.

The amount of drama on Twitter just last night was hilarious.

>>25634300
What drama?

>>25633458
>tfw you know some fat r9k tier brony will pay for this just so he can offer to suck gabes 2 inch dick.

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>>25634310
>Good looking

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Hahaha

>>25634747
Serves him right.

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Seriously, the lessons they provide

>>25634348
Fuck off

>>25634780
At least he's being reasonable.

>>25634285
>Dear God, who? Who would pay to talk to these two?

The really weird thing is the combination of the two. If I wanted to talk to a VA from the show then I didn't want Black Gryphon around.

If I wanted some kind of advice for animation/singing & song writing where he does actually have at least some talent and experience I wouldn't want Creber around, since she is a teenage girl and thus useless for that.

It's a completely nonsensical combination.

>>25634798
I agree, it's an odd couple to have a Q&A with. Maybe trying to cover all their grounds?

>>25634798
BlackGryphon probably realised that no one will care about him if not because of Creber.

>>25634827
I don't mean any offence on the family, but I think most of it is due to Creber's family forcing them together. He even stated now and in previous scams that the mother decided on the money.

>>25634798
>>25634827
It also combines their collective fandom 'starpower'. I agree that, from a logical point of view, it doesn't make sense but fandoms and fans in general are not logical.

>>25634300
Damn I missed that

>>25634827
>Maybe trying to cover all their grounds?
It's only half an hour. It's not like they need to fill a whole week seminar with stuff.

I think more likely what >>25634832 said is true - Gryphon is clever enough to realize that no one would give a shit about him if it wasn't for him latching onto Creber and Creber, being a teenager, is simply not smart enough to realize what he is doing.

>>25634747
Who's Monique & Michael? I like drama but I'm not so knowledgeable about it.

>>25634747
>>25634780
Setting aside the particulars of the issue, let's look at this aspect:
>How dare you offer [thing] at [price I disapprove of] ! I'll now bitch at you until you fix it!

It's like each person just assumes they have the right to dominate other people. Like it's a damn crime to say "Hey, here's [a thing]- do you want it? It costs [this much]" - like it's not everyone's right to just say "No thanks" if they don't want to pay for it.
It's one of the things I hate most about the world today, and it shows up everywhere.

Can you charge people to talk to you?
Yes.

Can people choose to ignore you and your service?
Yes.

Is it OK to charge for what you consider a service?
Yes.

Is it wrong to want to earn money for doing what you enjoy?
Of course not.

Am I jealous/should people be jealous that you are able to do what you love for a living and have a supportive base?
No.

Does it make you a total narcissistic douche bag to latch yourself on to some famous family, then expect people to pay for your autograph and appearance fees because in your mind, you think you've risen beyond the level of simply being a fellow fan, and for some inexplicable reason, this new found status gives you the right to charge people the amount of money requested by healthcare professionals and lawyers so that "fans" can get the worldy expertise of a 25 year old and 15 year old who know how to sing?
Abso-fucking-lutely

Beginner voice actors who barely have a few jobs between them giving voice acting lessons?

This is fraud.

>>25635041
This desu senpai

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Let's afford Patachu a therapy session with Michelle Creber!
Seriously they must be in need of cash at this point, reminds me of YCH auction or furries willing to pay for role-playing.

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>>25633458
Has the grooming process finished yet?

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>>25635090
I know /mlp/ probably won't do anything with this Skype thing, but its still fun to imagine us funding these things, like a Skype call for Crazy Pony Man

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Reminder that you could have gotten him in trouble for his ambiguous relationship with a 15 year old actress.
You missed your chance, /mlp/.
It will never come back.

>>25634896
Monique is Michelle's mother and their "manager".
Sometimes I get the impression she's rather Michelle's pimp.

I want to eat her out while she moans in AB's voice.

>>25635132
According to BG attempting to defend himself on HN they only make $30 each from the transaction, and the remaining $40 is split two further ways. So 'pimping' is very accurate.

Blackgryph0n commented on the HN article.
Knighty is getting involved.

Time to watch the show.

>>25635168
Someone post screencaps please

The inherent problem I see with this is that anyone who is serious and interested about a career in showbiz or singing isn't going to want to talk to a 16 year who has done some voice acting which was arranged by her parents, and some 20-something year old guy who has uploaded a few brony songs to youtube and therefore touting himself as a professional. They're going to want to talk to someone like Michelle's parents, or Tara Strong for example, who have many years of experience and advice to impart.

Likewise, people who would want to talk and chat to Michelle because she's on the show and BG because he's #HorseFamous aren't going to want to pay $100 for that privelege, especially when they could probably go to a con and do that for cheaper in person.
Of course there will be the few starry-eyed or turbo-autists who will take up this offer, but the majority of people can clearly see that this just doesn't seem right (as evidenced by all of the outraged tweets and this thread).

But that's just my opinion.

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The love for us is real!

>>25635165
>giving 40% of your income away to management
>when all they "manage" is irrelevant bullshit you could easily do yourself, especially since you are not well known and have more than enough free time

Not gonna make it.

>>25635244
More like
>Charging your own daughter

>>25635216
And most professional VA's kind of have a Copy/Paste answer for the "How do I become a VA" questions. Its not them being disingenuous or anything, its just (Twiiter included) they get asked that like 40 times a day

>>25635216
B-but Anon, it was only put up due to popular demand!

I would have understood it if it was a way to get rid of annoying fagets who want stop bugging him about Skype calls I am sure there are enough fans of the fandom who do that, but then why involve Creber and why pretend that he had "no control!" over it and it was all his manager's (read, Michelle's mother) doing?

>>25634780
When exactly did he start working on TV shows?

>>25634794
For now. Time will tell. If he takes it down, he reasonable, or if makes an honest attempt to defend keeping it up, hes incorrect, but still a reasonable sort of person, just talking out of his ass.

If he responds to criticism like Cook and Price do, well, then he's being a twunt.

>>25635146
Unf

>>25635218
>implying it wasn't 4chan who kicked it off

The adult part of the fandom definitely started here and most likely wouldn't have existed without 4chan's relentless autism shilling it absolutely everywhere.

>>25634833
Please, mean all the offense to the family. Fuck em, who cares? They're gonna get paid whether or not they get called a bunch of cunts.

>>25635041
>expect people to pay
>the right to charge

Is it right to completely miss the point?
Apparently so.

>>25635270
Also $100 an hour is a bit much. If he knocks the price back a bit, or tries to justify it in a detailed (therefore hoenst way), then like above, he is either reasonable and right, or reasonable person but incorrect.

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>>25635218
>lying about how they single handly created the fandom
>throwing a Goober Got tier tantrum when the spotlight is not on them
Fucking kek.

>>25635345
>Also $100 an hour is a bit much.
It's half an hour.

>>25635345
>Also $100 an hour is a bit much
An hour is $200

>>25635218
The fandom wouldn't even have happened without /b/ and /co/ in the way it did.

Without them slewing their autism everywhere it would mostly only be discussed by 40+ years collectors like the other generations.

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>he thinks bit part roles he got through nepotism make him an actor

>>25635450
what roles???

When Purple Tranny is defending them with his "I'm not a scammer" spiel, you know the situation is a fucked.

Did that shemale ever get hit in the face with a pie for that Horse New charity thing?

>>25634888
Why would no one give a shit about him? Could he not do music without Creber?

>>25635633
he could, but nobody would buy it

They did the same thing last Christmas. $500 or $1000 for a dinner with them at some weird conference place run by some Christian sect.

His comments on HN, holy shit.

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>>25633458
>All this self-insert drama from EFN folk about this whole Gabe fiasco.
>"Guys, I swear I'm not reveling in this drama. Look how better I am!"
Jesus fuck, this swedecück needs to just shut up and take his daily nigger dick already.

>>25635745
he's got himself a nice hitlerstache

>>25635656
"buy" being the key term here

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>>25635780
>libertarian socialist (I have no idea how those two ideologies are compatible but I'm no PolSci expert), Feminist, Self-titled nerd, Web Dev, amateur author, pragmatist
>Tumblr

>>25635780
>Implying Gabe is show staff
>Implying VAs matter more than most of the staff

>>25635823
He forgot anti-GamerGate activist

>>25633458
Anyone who actually pays for this honestly and legitimately needs to consider suicide.

Sometimes I wish I had a big enough pillow to put the entire fandom out of its misery. We're at peak hiatus 4 days in.

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>>25635852
>We're at peak hiatus 4 days in.

>>25635871
god dammit

>>25635218
>all those big words in a comment on a blog page devoted to horse drama.

>>25635871
>3 days in
>already drama
Going to be the best hiatus ever

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>Former EFN staff place the blame on PVL for the $9,000 Streaming contract, which was only between EFN and Bronycon.
>Attempts to toss the blame off to someone else, accusing them of doing exactly what he just did.

Holy shit, someone line this fucker up against the wall for sheer stupidity.

Can we just talk about how shit the Creber parents are? I've talked to people who work at cons and they all universally hate them. They're demanding, hate actually doing them, and act like total assholes to their daughter who desperately just wants a moment's peace away from her parents.

>>25635921
I can only hope it all comes crashing down and we get a really good vh1 behind the va special.

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>>25635852
>Peak Hiatus 4 days in
Not even close. Can't wait to read the escalating butthurt during Christmas break.

>>25635921
This is why I can't hate Michelle and Gabe for doing this kind of thing. If I were in Michelle's shoes, I would probably be doing the same thing; attempt to build up my image and fanbase so I can break from my shitty family ASAP.

>>25635943
I think most of the musicians are reasonable people, in general. I remember some kind of butthurt about Silva Hound, but I can't remember what it was about. I do know he uses pre-recorded sets when DJ'ing, though.

>>25635921
Sounds like the typical 'our child needs to become a big name at all costs' parents. Females are especially bad in that case.

But yeah, I seriously that all comes crashing down hard on them.

>>25635871
Why the fuck does a children's cartoon show have drama in the first place? Something clearly isn't working as it should.

>>25635989
Because pog navy pederasts are part of its fan base :^)

>>25635989
Because we need entertainment during the hiatus.

I heard every fandom has its share of drama though.
Don't know if we're really good at it or not.

>>25635943
Silvas always been alright.

>>25636010
Honestly, I think the unexpected adult fanbase who treat the show like a religion threw the show staff for a loop when they assumed they would be dealing with a handful of little girls and three seasons at most. Now they're all bitter and jaded and want to get off this sinking ship, so any little critique causes a shitstorm.

Can we not spew autism ALL the time? It's dumb but why make it a big deal? If you're that desperate to meet Michelle Creber and/or Black Gryph0n that you want them to lower the price so you can afford it you're a faggot. If you're not interested in it but are bitching about it you're a faggot. Some schlub is going to buy it anyways and it'll be their choice to be a faggot. Why the fuck do people care. I just want to get through this fucking hiatus.

>>25636050
>want to get off this sinking ship
De Lancie coming back to cons, Faust coming back to cons...

You can't escape the ride for long

>>25636050
the depressing part is that this ride isn't ending anytime soon. We're getting at least next season and a movie in 2017 so there isn't an end in sight for anyone.

>>25633458
I'd pay to watch Sibsy strip and finger her pussy on cam.
Seeing those fat potatoe tits would be amazing.

>>25633458
Do they have to wear OP's pic related?
Something about that sentence sounds very stupid.

>>25635780
>>25635745
holy shit this man alone is pure , true cringe material.

>>25634287
So close...

>>25635656
Yeah, that is pretty much the point. He might not be bad at what he's doing, but he is also neither outstanding nor well-known enough for anyone to pay him for doing it. So he needs the nepotism from Michelle's family.

>>25635745
No one gives a shit about him anymore and he can't handle it, so he tries to make everything about himself, no matter how unrelated.

Also holy shit, the irony in those last two tweets.

>>25635823
>>libertarian socialist (I have no idea how those two ideologies are compatible but I'm no PolSci expert)

They are basically socialists, only that they believe that the state should be abolished and all that socialism stuff should be enacted by the people themselves.
Read, delusional fools.

I still crack up every time I remember what happened to his Wikipedia page. If you missed it, Gabe's fans made him one. Some Anons found it and got it removed. The good part was that Gabe's fans complained to Wiki staff who examined the case and then ruled that not only were the Anons correct to remove it, they slapped a notice of "lack of notability" on it which meant that it can never be replaced unless Gabe actually becomes genuinely famous, which will never happen.

>>25635871
>>25635852
That's implying we don't have any drama during the seasons.
Also a hundred posts in a thread and some people telling him on twitter that it's a stupid idea is hardly drama.
There are even a lot of reasonable posts in this thread who point out why it's a stupid idea past him trying to leech of Michelle's VA status

>>25636067
>Faust coming back to cons...
Wait what? I have been out of the loop a bit so I must have missed it.
That seems a bit weird after all her
>it hurts so much to think about what could have been
stuff

>>25635921
Welp, now I feel a bit sorry for Michelle. Luckily for her it's only two more years till she can escape.

It does make me wonder if they'll charge the same for conventions to do this.

$200 for an hour for a show guest alone is pretty decent, Gabe is a plus or minus however you look at it.

>>25635921
Michelle actually has anxiety issues yet her parents send her on stage anyway. Add the homeschooling and child actor syndrome and she'll be a drug addict before she's 20.

I do often wonder what Mando did to piss Mother Creber off enough for her to drop him as hard as she did and move onto bg.

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>>25635745
>>25635780

Remember Anon
Remember.

People like this, Tinker, Osakajack, this faggot, NeonBrony, and a plethora of sperglords like them are expanding, because their natural predator, the Internet Hate Machine, Anonymous is no longer the fearful beast they used to be, keeping some mere level of decency on the internet.

No one has the balls to fight them, worse, faggots now insult people who go and confront them.

You let it happen and fought the "bullies", you castrated yourself, this is why the SJW movement grew so fast like the fucking ISIS.

(pic unrelated.)

>>25636363
>Wait what? I have been out of the loop a bit so I must have missed it.
>That seems a bit weird after all her
EQLA, Ponycon (this February)

>>25636425
>season 9 will have an episode about Applebloom urging Sweetie Belle to use her knowledge from Twilight Time and cook some Meth

>>25636429
he acted like an stupidhead on the internet

>>25636432
So, what would you do to suggest fighting them?

How the fuck does this fandom manage to create drama not 3 fucking days into hiatus?
I'm actually genuinely impressed.

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>>25636459
Wait, I'm stupid, it was AB who learned about potions anyway, wasn't it?

>>25636477
Reads like the script for Mane Attraction.
Show stuff confirmed for not watching the show.

>>25636502
Pretty impressive how much some people could learn from a simple cartoon about ponies and friendship

Gabe made a thread here one time a couple years ago. Made a twitter confirmation and got about 15 posts before it got pruned

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>>25636466
the same way the previous generation used to deal with people like Snapesnogger, Fuensalida, Chris-chan, Mr.Fetch or Snapesnogger, Anon...

>>25636477
It reminds me of the last Galacon:
- Advertisement on every entrance for Michelle & Gabe's performance at the Gala evening
- Creber mom and dad having a table to sell albums during the signing session. I quote: "if you buy one they will sign it"

>>25636528
What was it about?

>>25636540
"What is /mlp/ guize spoonfeed me, AMA" was the extent of it.

>>25636564
couldn't he just have lurked moar?

>>25636581
You can't have a real career and have the time to lurk, Anon

>>25636581
Lurking becomes impossible once your ego hits a certain size. After that point you see yourself as important enough that everyone should adapt to you, not the other way around.

>>25636581
Thats what we told him. Thread didnt last long.

>>25634964
I think people equate it to microtransactions.

>>25636564
Is there an archive of it anywhere?

>>25635921
Poor Michelle is fucked, yep yep yep ;_;

>>25636669
I'm pretty sure moe is still down

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>100 for 30
her career went downhill fast

>>25636669
Not since moe died I think.

>>25636326
Good god man, are there any pics that show the "conversation" regarding that?

It sounds fucking hilarious and would like a read if possible.

>>25636531
You said snapsnogger twice. If I scour the archives will I pick up what you're putting down?

Not the anon who you were conversing with by the way, just a curious passerby.

>>25636686
That's Applebloom VA? Not even with a rented dick anon!

>>25636793
Oh yeah Snapesnogger's got such a fucking name I had to do a copy pasta, but you know that's just how bad Snapesnogger is.

>>25636809
>>25636686
She gets more horse faced every day...

>>25636686
She should do porn.

>>25636686
and she only gets $30 of it. She needs a better pimp.

>>25636694
>>25636684
What about desustorage?

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>>25634310
>more successful
Writing music for cartoons for little children is definitely the summit every musician strives for.

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>>25636910
What came to mind with that comment.

Seriously is there anything we could do about Osakajack.. Holy shit the autism, anon. The autism!

>>25637006
>Filename
Goddamn it anon you made me spill my drink.

>>25637049
I find it funny that his twitter shows him eating foods like pizza and steak, but he's also (trying?) maintaining weeaboo status

>>25636669
https://desustorage.org/mlp/thread/14864453/#14864587

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>muh expenses
>money actually goes to Michelle's parents
gryph0n is best scamartist

>>25636432
So we should go full legion and troll them? It's not 2007 anymore, filly!

Political correctness.

>>25637206
I would expect most anons to not have interest with
>We're not your personal army

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>>25637182
>don't go broke
>from a Skype call that is literally free, only costs your time

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>>25637182


$60 an hour is more expensive than driving lessons, and they have to worry about car expenses like maintenance and fuel etc. This has actually triggered my autism enough for me to comment now.

I thought Osaka Jack was a cool guy, but turns out I never cared about what he's posting.

I dream about punching a guy like him ringht on the face.

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>>25637219
I don't think it's a personal army thing, it's a fact. Even before 4chan kids and other freaks like that used not to be so vocal. What the hell happened then?
Even the furries- The furfags managed to expose and throw shame on scammers, tracers, people who commission artists to re-sell their art as portfolios, and so on! They have very developed senses to smell the jew coming that's why.

>>25637319
What the hell happened then?

The internet got infected by normalfags and normalfags love sucking the dicks of other faggots just like them. Just look at the appeal of Facebook, Twitter and Reddit, it's essentially just "Make posts to appeal to people who think the exact same way as you for internet golden stars." Now if you call someone out on their bullshit they have an army of people whose dicks they've figuratively sucked to leap to their defence so that they can earn more internet gold stars.

Yes, I'm a little bitter about it all.

>>25637381
I meant to quote on that first line, my bad.

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Now he thinks its cons with vendettas against him doing this instead of musicians he's pissed on.

>>25637140
O.J's a complete moron, he's got expatriated essentially to be a teacher or something, and fantasize about young little girls and 3D shota in school uniforms.
Used to know him, he wanted to know how to use TOR and stuff, then I knew he had a serious problem. He's not your typical hugbox care-bear SJW.

>>25637406
>I'm considering completely abandoning it
He knows as well as we do that this would be the end of his "career"

>>25636425
Good thing Gabe is there for her rite?

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>>25637381

we all are, man. now it's considered ridiculous to brag about freedom of speech, to have a bad opinion of left wing, but it's cool to be a moron, an uneducated brat with an iPhone, a fagot of a hipster.
everything we have been fighting about has disappeared, because we don't do anything - not gonna assume he's right but >>25636432 makes excellent points about retards's natural predators: anonymous.

in fact i won't blame Blackgryphon or Michelle Creber, they tried, we're calling on their BS. but the white-knights going after anyone criticizing them, like PedoJack and that Swedish Nash thing that shouldn't count as a human being are truly the cancer of the fandom.

>>25637426
when he moved to Osaka, he had to go door to door to tell everyone he was a pederast.

People would pay more if it was just Michelle, but that would be creepy.

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LaserPon3 the absolute madman!

>>25637664
They are not really disagreeing though, are they? Gryphon says he didn't do it and LaserPon3 says it did happen, but Gryphon wasn't involved.

>>25637669
It is correct that BG himself didn't do it, but Monique Creber did. She is the driving force behind this nonsense.

>>25637669
Yes, but he's showing the bullshits of the Crebers

>>25634310


Go to bed Blackgryph0n

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>>25637664
Exposing the truth is madness today.

PT still made me vomit with her "I'm gonna start a donation drive but keep a few percentage for me and the effort I spend organizing everything, so it has to be worth it cause I pay myself first then the rest goes to the charity! Oh did I mention I'm transgender and feminist, you won't attack me right? I'm also Jewish, you know, like, the holocaust, right? I can't be EVIL!"


Dunno about Osakajack, he just seems to follow the same direction.

>>25637693
>>25637718
Oh, alright, I didn't realize LaserPon3 was talking about Monique

>>25637730
>weeaboo
>complaining about racism
kek

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>>25637664
>>25637669
>>25637693
>>25637738
Honestly if I were on some sort of convention committee about VIPs I would make explicit moves to not get MIchelle Creber. She's a package deal and he shit family just absolutely makes everyone miserable despite demanding the best treatment. No one could possibly want to see AB's VA that badly anyway.

>>25637381
You summed it up pretty well. The internet is to easy too easy to get to now. There was a time when it took minutes just to watch a couple seconds worth of video on a PC, and now you can watch a feature length movie on your handheld device with almost no buffering what so ever.

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>>25637755
New plot twist! The Crebers were innocent

>>25637772
Of he course he won't badmouth the only reason anyone is even paying him.

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>>25637772
>Creber did nothing wrong

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>>25637772
>>25637778
>>25637784
What are the odds that Monique Creber made him spend all day writing rebuttals to HN comments? I'd say "pretty fucking high."

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>>25637784
>>25637772
that damage control.

he tried.

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>>25637784

>>25637806
He should have shut up after his first few posts this morning which were still somewhat reasonable.

Why do these retards never learn that entering such a discussion will always end badly for you, no matter what you say?

>>25637824
Yeah.
He should stop right now before it's too late.

This sweet drama though

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>>25637797
If so, what else does she make him do?

>>25637807
Want to see his response but also must cook dinner

>>25637832
Damage control a lot. I'm telling you, I've talked with a lot of people who work at conventions. >>25637807 isn't that far off. The Crebers are pretty much universally seen as an annoyance by every con. They just don't say because they really are as vicious and willing to pull/blackball cons/suggest other VAs not go as some say they are.

>>25637764
I blame political correctness, the inability to discipline your children, and social media. Political correctness is ruining this fucking world.

>>25637850
The only winning move with them is not to play. Never make noise like you're interested in them and pick up other more interested and less expensive VAs instead.

>>25637664
I'm just stating the truth anon.. I do not know what happened at all cons as I simply wasn't there.

However I was at the One in UK I believe this was 2013 and yes this happened..

The fire part that I do not know.. the punctuality most certainly happened..

I never saw the crebers hauling in stuff nor renting.. I do know cons *even for me* have been nice to provide or place a call if something was missing to make sure to make things happen with the unexpected happenings that just happen at cons.

Cons are not perfect but the staff and head try hard.. They wouldn't speak up about it because it hurts them and it's not professional.. but I am not a con head nor a con staff.. I'm a performer..

And thus you got the uncensored truth from me.

Gabe might not know about the delay issue because he was not there are this particular one.. but the creber family most certainly was.

>>25637885
Yeah. This is what most of them do.

>>25637886
Also sorry for the horrible formatting in my post.. I'm a fucking noob when it comes to using 4chan.. Know only a few things about it.

The anger is NOT because of wanting to earn money or charging.. it's about charging for "just having a chat" "having some fun" and then calling yourself a professional. By all means let him go for it.. it's not my future that will be stained.

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>>25637406
>WE
>E

>>25637886
>>25637902
We never doubted you

>>25637916
I can comment.. he is being ignored.. Silva needs to produce too.. make money too.. He like to keep moving forward.. not wait.. I can see the anger. Imagine you wait for ages and then see him prioritize everything else above you.. A apology is in place and it took him a really long time to realise this.

>>25637949
both of them have gone on to do other things outside of Pony, but BG is the one lurking around going 'hey remember when I was horse famous? gimme shekels!'

>>25637916
Well, Silva Hound is right. If he can waste multiple hours arguing on twitter and HN then he can't be too busy.

I love the smell of fresh drama in the morning.

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>>25637182
>don't go broke
>from a Skype call that is literally free, only costs your time

>>25638005
What happened to cause him so much distress? I doubt he feels like crying over BG making an ass out of himself.

>>25637870
When did the whole "everyone gets to play on the team and everyone gets a trophy" thing start? I remember being on a baseball team as a kid, and coming in close to last place. We got to run laps around the bases for an hour while the top the teams got presented trophies. I wish I could say that we came back and stole the show the following season, but we still sucked. We got more laps while the better teams got more trophies, but it taught us that nothing is free.

Today's generation really is fucking soft.

>homeschooled daughter
>Gryph0n's youtube channel is "christkids"
>real name Gabriel Christian
>brother Nathanael
>comedy skits with that blonde who does Christian rock
Are the Crebers in some weird sect?

>>25638030
Especially since he wouldn't even prepare anything judging by the way it is advertised. It would be $60/ hour for simply sitting there and talking for a bit. That is quite an impressive wage for someone with only low to moderate experience.

>>25638040
Same. I used to suck at sport back in school and no one made an effort to make me feel better about it. No trophies and praise like the others got, instead I was being told that my performance was not sufficient.

Which in the end let to me actually trying and now I am at least on par or even better than a lot of those who used to constantly beat me.

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>>25638037
Don't worry, BG is in full redemption mode

>>25638090
At this point it seems pretty insincere. Like "god, fine, one last time since you're gonna cry over it."

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>>25633458
>"creber, brown and company"
>milking the fandom
shes such a jew! i love her so much, this is totally gryphon corrupting her though. aint her dad rich? hahahaha i just want to strange her.

>>25638114
That is pretty much what it is. For all the other stuff he can just say "nope, not true" because no one is willing to attach their name to those statements (apart from LaserPon3), but for that one it is fairly obvious what happened

>promise you will do something
>don't do it
>instead dick around on social media 24/7
>"I-I didn't have time, I swear!"

Everyone can see that he is lying so he has to pretend he feels sorry about it.

>>25638137
Fairly certain it's her mom pushing her to do it and BG going along with it because this is the best chance he will ever get to get jobs in the entertainment industry.
I doubt Michelle has much of a say in it, she's what, 16?

I feel like he's on the edge of breaking; just a few more nudges and it might truly be MandoPedo 2.0, complete with MomDrama from Monique if we're lucky.

>>25637730
Did you see Purple Tinker trying to pull off his "people accused me of scamming back in Bronycon days too so haters gunna hate!" schtick again. Is there a Horse Famous drama he won't stick his chopped-up dick into to try and keep his name relevant?

>>25638165
MomDrama is best drama

>>25638040
Can't remember digits, but I'd say it was around the time that Bush did his whole no child left behind campaign.

Hell George Carlin was still alive when it started up if that gives you a better estimate of when it started up.

Can't call them handicapped, their "handicapable!"

>>25638165
This really is Mando2.0 - Mando came to /mlp/ to attempt damage control, while BG went to HN. Neither place is friendly to their message so it's wasted energy that keeps spiraling out of control.

Just got here, someone pls tl;dr?

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>>25638162
as a conservative i encourage the parents to teach their kids to create their own business ideas..but this is just dirty, bronies as a whole are quite toxic and i would personally try to stay away from them...bloom best filly for being business smart though..CANON ACCEPTED.

>>25638202
tl;dr Gryphon is an asshat.

>>25638203
being in an echo chamber = real fans.. why cant people like this die?

>>25638188
>Neither place is friendly to their message

It's not even just that, it's that they are willingly providing ammunition for this.
If he had ignored it we would have already gotten bored of posting
>30 minutes in skype
>$100
and gotten distracted by something else. Instead he keeps giving us a new snippet to laugh about every hour.

It's how you can already tell that his career will never lead anywhere because he's an idiot. This has happened over and over again and yet he still walks into the exact same trap.

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>>25638202
michelle and gryphon are trying to make lots of money from stupid fandom.

>>25638211
I think it's more about her parents trying to turn her into the big star they always wanted to be but never were rather than about teaching your kid something about business.

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Stop replying so fast Laser, can't follow

>>25638253
arent her parents actors though? or is it belles parents?

>>25638240
They let me look. I wouldn't have if they didn't.

>>25638265
At least her mom is an actor as far as I know, but hardly a big star. Nothing impressive on her IMDB and wiki only finds her because she's mentioned in Michelle's article.

So exactly the kind of person who would try to live their dreams through their child.

>>25638261
woops sorry!

Also they know its temporary and they are trying to get the most out of it while it lasts.

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>>25638281
>claiming to be lazor.

>>25638281
I'm not accusing you, just kidding.

There must be some hidden gems in some con's finances though

>>25638230
That's what happens when you have a cirlcejerk. Suddenly you are convinced that everyone who has some criticism must be a hater because all those 'friends' of yours would have totally told you if you were doing something stupid, wouldn't they?

Yet a lot of them are still fucking obsessed with criticism about themselves, googling their name more often than other people change their underwear.

>>25638265
her father's claim to fame is co-producing and co-writing the banana phone song

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>>25638348

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>>25638348
>This is the cornerstone of the Creber media empire

>>25633788
I'm willing to do this. But are Anons like you willing to contribute 100$ for 30 minutes?

>>25638348
Shit, I remember listening to that song non-stop as a kid.

>>25638387
eh, I can see Creber and BG hanging up as soon as the first question is asked. Remember goyim, no refunds!

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>>25638387
No, >>25638400 will happen.

>>25638348
I've got this feeling...

>>25638298
>>25638348
Oh man! I remember this so much!
I did not get why he played it.

That being said my guilty pleasure is that I like the saterday night song... but it was mostly because of tomstones hand in it that it was enjoyable.

I know people criticise his producings but the short tones and melodies not the synths have something that stick to you. Anyway thats a different topic.

>>25638388
I did too! But for some reason the speed up version.. If this is considered nightcore "which it might be" I should be beaten for it with a stick.
Although preferably I'd have someone from 4chan come up to me and say something weird out of nowhere to me because I can laugh about that.

>>25638348
ringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringring

IT'S THE BEST
BEATS THE REST

>>25638400
>>25638421

It could be pulled off if questions were reworded and get them in a Friendly mood

Scenario :

>Hello, my name is Anon, pleasure to meet you Mr. BG & Ms. Creber. I'm like a fan of your work like that one song y'all did *sing some lyric verse*
First fifteen minutes Voiceacting stuff, few jokes cracked etc.

15 minutes in, the streamanon will now let other anons ask other questions (the mood lightened and probably more willing to answer whatever questions y'all have.)

You can't just rush headfirst into these things. You got to strategize and try to smooth talk someone into getting what you want

>>25638187
Now I remember, thanks.

>>25638598
>even just considering paying them $100 for this shit
Gryphon go to bed.

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>>25638573
>>25638573
It hurts me to find this still on my computer. I'm glad I never finished it or really got it far in progress.

>>25638573
why aren't you shilling out another defense on horse news it seems to be all you're good at

>>25638632
defense of what?

>>25638652
what, you're not going to wait a week and post a "neutral" side like you did in the new mess?

or are you not worried about fucking over your interview chances with creber and blackgryphon so you don't suck up to them like you do the other horse famous dicks

>>25638632
>>25638652
>>25638674
>TFW the drama is even happening on 4chan

>>25638674
CapperGeneral is in Korea, why the fuck would he care?

>>25638674
HN already has a post up about this...so I don't understand what you're saying

>>25638680
also that

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>Incoming shekels

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>look on Wikipedia for bananaphone song
>see this

I wonder who made that edit.

>>25638762
>implying this isn't bullshit

>>25637763
My thoughts exactly with all their demands and stupid shit I'm sure you could afford more fan artists or even more important staff members. Why deal with their shit in particular? As you said what fan really gives a shit about hearing AB?

>>25638762
>only other option costs $11,000

Bronies have more money than sense

>>25638762
>tfw hoping this is a = in for the long con

>>25636429
probably the pedophilia

TFW you realize that for $100 you can have a 1 hour Skype call with mommy or daddy Creber

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And we were worried about hiatus being boring.

>>25638400
Even if they hung up immediately that would be some fodder if we get it recorded. As long as the question wasn't too outlandish.

>>25638894
>30 Minutes only

>>25638949
fucking this

As long as we have drama, we won't get worried.

>>25633458
I love how the cancer doesn't just emmit from the fandom. No the hacks from the how itself have to be this fucking cancerous.

>>25639035
bored**

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>>25635041
This seems a bit contradictory:
>What he's doing is perfectly ok
>But it's him doing it, so it's not ok

I've never understood this need to bitch about services you're never going to pay for anyway. Oh a few ignorant bronies might actually give him money for it, but why are you upset? Is it moral indignation, here of all places, that somebody might be taking advantage of dumb consumers or is it actually jealousy that he might succeed at doing so as he has in getting close enough to staff members to get some part in the show?

>>25636432
Neither was 4chan ever supposed to be a fucking ideology soapbox. I see you and Patachu both whining and bitching and circlejerking about how awful socialism is and how SJWs are trying to enforce that shit -in the real world-. This isn't the real world, this is a fucking hobbies and interests image board. You and him both have Twitter accounts, so instead of sitting here bitching about how no one is doing anything about shit have you considered actually doing something about it? Oh that's right, they'll just block you for criticizing them but at least you have a safe space like 4chan to vent all your problems and worries because as much as people like you bitch about moderation, site staff sure as fuck don't crack down on off-topic drama mongering as much as they probably should. They enable this ideology deadlock by falling in line with what some faggots in the community have enforced.

>>25638005
And fuck SH, he whined about Hasbro taking away ad money he was making off their IP. He has no place to complain about taking advantage of idiots to make money.

>>25638030
Let's admit it - they want to milk the fandom. Who wouldn't?

But regarding their whiteknights, I kind of see something very very dirty. I would contact them, or at least BG and send him some dox about his weaboo 'friend' but let's see how he keeps cocksucking them.

>>25639289
>I've never understood this need to bitch about services you're never going to pay for anyway.

Because you need to establish that this type of thing is not acceptable. If no one speaks out against it other people will assume everyone is okay with it, then soon everyone is doing it and suddenly it's okay to pull bullshit like this.

>>25633458
$100 is a lot just to chat or whatever for a half-hour. No thanks.

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>>25639384
Sounds like a moral issue, as I already described, and has no place here.
It's the same deal as people who complain about microtransactions, something that they have literally no obligations to participate in yet feel righteous indignation against simply because it's a thing that exists that less intelligent consumers are falling into.

Similarly, having read further into this thread, this shit about shady business on the part of the Crebers, here's a simple solution: convention runners can opt out of even considering bringing them in. With the evidence as spread by word of mouth, they have been made aware that it might not be in their best interest to even consider having them as VIPs and can make the intelligent and informed business decision. Cons don't get screwed over, and it sets a standard that the Crebers can't take advantage of anymore.

>>25639466
Are you dumb? Like, seriously.

You have to speak out against things like this or else they risk getting out of hand and taking over. You say that microtransactions aren't a problem, and you can opt out, but look at the new Halo game. Microtransactions will buy you incredibly strong powerups at the start of the game which ruins the experience off people who 'opt-out' and choose not to buy such things. Microtransactions have ruined the game.

Additionally, it is incredibly naive to believe that convention organizers can just snub a voice actor and not have that shit have consequences. If a convention turns away the Crebers, they risk the Crebers talking shit about the convention to the other VAs and putting the other VAs off of the convention. No VAs means less people come to the convention, which is terrible since the convention is a business trying to make money off of people atending the convention. It is far better business to just deal with a troublesome VA than risk ruining everything.

Like, seriously. Think about what you are posting man.

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>>25639466
That analogy falls apart once you get into more modern games having microtransactions for things that are either necessary to game completion, or actually effect the gameplay thus leading to a objectively disadvantaged player group because of it. It also makes it harder for a company to claim having difficulty in anything art or anything related to the content of the microtransactional content, as they had the time and resources to create such content.

As far as moral issues are concerned, you claim that moral issues have no place here, yet you obviously take moral issue with the postings of patchu and others like him leading to a contradiction. Why crack down on off topic drama at all if morality doesn't exist here? It's not like it can harm a a-moral shitpost zone :^)

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>>25639626
>>25639636
Let me amend the thing about microtransactions to it's not an issue until it starts affecting people who opt out. In this case
>Playing vidya for the multiplayer
Literally enabling the death of the singleplayer experience by further popularizing casual online play. Nothing is stopping you from playing with friends online, if that's your incentive, and if said friends are the ones buying shit to be better at games you might as well get new friends.
Otherwise if you know this is a fucking issue feel free not to buy the game.

Additionally
>it is incredibly naive to believe that convention organizers can just snub a voice actor and not have that shit have consequences
Now I'm no expert on how to run a convention, but from what I understand it's the conventions who reach out to the agents of the VIP to work out scheduling them for a visit and not the other way around. Basically it's not like the Crebers are phoning conventions to book themselves, unless they are which would be highly unconventional huehue considering they're supposed to be the talent that conventions are seeking. Will it look weird if all of a sudden conventions stopped trying to contact them? Of course, that's the risk the cons will have to take. But what solutions would you offer? Raiding them? Send them tons of horseporn and pizza? Spam them with angry emails about their business standards? I'm sure that wouldn't cause a backlash against the fandom much faster than simply ignoring them.

And furthermore
>you claim that moral issues have no place here, yet you obviously take moral issue
I'll opt to invoke tu quo quo as my defense, considering I'm arguing from a point of criticism and just telling me I'm acting the same way doesn't address said criticism.

>>25639898
>Literally enabling the death of the singleplayer experience by further popularizing casual online play.

Dude, you just used "stop liking what I don't like" as an argument. You're either an idiot or a troll, but either way the rest of your post is not worth addressing after that gem.

>>25639998
>Literally getting triggered by that opinion
That specific sentence was sarcasm, I admittedly probably should have denoted that with a cheeky smiley. Everything else is the legitimate argument.

>>25640093
Okay, let's move on to your next point to point out how stupid it is too. The rest of that 'argument' doesn't even relate to the point, which was that microtransactions do or don't ruin games (see you're post here >>25639466). Your 'solution' of not playing those games does not address the fact at all that microtransactions ruin games, it only dances around it because obviously you cannot admit that you were wrong. And since you so obviously cannot admit that you were wrong, there is no point in me continuing to reply to you since it will accomplish nothing. So again, I will pass on bothering to read the rest of your post.

>>25640212
Also because I know you're looking for any way to salvage any sense that you're right, I did mess up my "your" in the phrase enclosed by the parenthesis there. It's late. Bite me.

>>25633458
>masturbate for full 30 min.
>tell her if either of them don't watch at least 10 min. of me wainkin off, you'll sue
> if thy do look away, sue, get money
you cant lose

>>25640262
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure showing your dick to an underage girl over a videochat can get you into legal trouble.

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>>25640212
Now you're just being preemptively dismissive, but if that's your incentive to simply not argue you could have just said so and I wouldn't press the issue.

>>25640236
Equally, I'd never disregard an argument or statement simply because it had a spelling error.
Nevertheless I won't hold you up if you didn't want to waltz with me. I'm just disappointed I don't get to dance. :^(

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>>25638762
>Getting music lessons by brony artists
>Believing education alone will be enough to crank out good tunes
If he has 11000 to spend, why not to make a professional studio. It would help better than music theory or advice from horse producers.

>>25639053
Like any celebrities, they get to charge what people are willing to pay. Welcome to capitalism.

>BlackGriffon has apparently been on fucking TV at some point

So, time to go back to writing that pilot, because apparently fucking anybody can get on TV these days. Jesus Christ.

>>25640281
Would asking them uncomfortable questions be covered under free speech?

>>25640281
>"but officer, she got her cutie mark!"

>>25640971
No, because free speech only covers the government. Corporations and people do not have to abide by the constitution.

>>25640995
I was referring to the "legal trouble" bit, hence the quoting of the post mentioning legal trouble.

>>25641016
My legal advice would be to ask, "so, you two are dating, right?" instead of "you fucking her? nice". I'm no 'Murican, but if word of mouth is true and you can get sued by simply staring at a female coworker in the land of the free, I'd say, yes, harrassment is the worst crime of all, bigots.

But as I said before, I'm no expert. I can barely count the amount of girls I made uncomfortableover skype with one hand.

I'm gonna pay $100 to do it because I love Michelle and I'm going to make her love me and want to marry me in the 30min. I'm going to use my highly developed wit to make Gabe seem like an idiot so she'll dump him.

>>25641660
but she already knows he's an idiot anon, love don't care about that.

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He sure has a high opinion of his peers.

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Did you guys see this? https://twitter.com/TheRealSibsy/status/672272770181427200

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>>25641987
So what did blackGabe do to Sibsy?

>>25641987

https://twitter.com/BlackGryph0n/status/672297473528860672

He replied, too.

>>25635918
Wait. I thought II was the only one who hated Nash.

>>25642437
Wait, there is horse drama BETWEEN members of the show staff?
This is too good to be true!

>>25642437
Jesus fucking Christ Sibsy is amazing. Shame she's gone after S6.

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>>25642437
WE MUST KNOW

>>25642437
What the fuck happened between the two of them? It must have been pretty horrible because I'd have thought Sibsy would have more empathy toward BG's situation, considering her husband went through the same shit just a few years ago.

>>25642437
Maybe it has something to do with the reason why PedoMando was dropped and BlackPedo took his place? I'm sure Mando is salty to be dropped from the Creber Gravy Train.

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>>25642524
>>25642556
Michelle Creber is secretly a lolita and the entire creber family knows it and encourages it. Michelle Creber had sex with Mando against his will (she raped Mando), Sibsy heard rumors of this and started to white knight for him by dating him. The entire Creber family threatened Mando telling him that they would reveal to the world that he was a pedo for fucking Creber, if he did not stay with her. Sibsy rescued Mando, with her connections she was able to silence the Crebers and eventually sever all connections.

Then PedoGryph0n comes in the picture. He gets invited to the Creber's house and is also raped by Creber. Unfortunately PedoGryph0n doesn't have a dream waifu and grows into loving Creber. PedoGryph0n is offered to stay in the Creber household, as Creber's boy toy, as long as he continue to love Creber and produce music with her. Now that Creber is 16, she is legally allowed to marry PedoGryph0n since she obviously has permission of both her parents to do so. PedoGryp0n will now be Creber's personal fuck toy for life.

Sibsy is laughing her ass off now.

>>25642556
Hmm yes I can see it now. gabeBlack probably convinced Monique to drop Mando and was all like "get rid of that loser he can't handle it he's sperging all over the internet. You should take me as Michelles pedobrother instead I'm a pro at it." Then they told Mando to piss off and he cried to Sibsy about it.

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>>25642666
Damn, Satan.

>>25642666
>>25642667
Can't tell which story is true. Do we trust satan?

>>25642798
you live in fucking canada stop trying to shill off of someone else's tragedy you haggard ostrich skin bag

>>25642798
TRYING TO BURY THE DRAMA UNDER PILES OF CORPSES OMG IM SO OUTRAGED RN

Can someone summarise everything that's happened?

>>25637244
>>25638030
Spotted the samefag

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I feel like he should've already learned this from someone.

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Feel sorry for me guys :'(((((

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>>25638348
>post yfw you'll never be as desperate for fame as the Crebers

>>25642798
maximum damage control

Oh man this is delicious.

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>>25642437
Sibsy knows what the Crebers are like through Mando and show staff.
Maybe Mando left the Crebers because he couldn't take it anymore.

>>25638762
>music lessons
>over skype

>>25639626
>If a convention turns away the Crebers, they risk the Crebers talking shit about the convention to the other VAs and putting the other VAs off of the convention.

Makes you wonder, do the Crebers actively approach the organizers of conventions?
I always assumed it's the convention staff who approaches the agents of the VAs.

>>25641976
>between me, monique, and michael, we have decades of experience

Why does he list himself there? His contribution to that amount of experience is completely irrelevant.
Jesus Christ, how can one person be so full of themselves?

>>25638052
Michelle is going to end up dead.
Can't wait to see the VH1 documentary.

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>>25642524
No idea what happened before this, but Sibsy apparently didn't find it too entertaining that he was essentially saying that all Youtubers are useless hacks which are beneath him.


>scroll through that conversation
>his immediate backpedaling when he is confronted by someone else than Anonymous

>>25638348
Can this become the theme song of Creber related drama?

>>25642847

>BG and Michelle offer to let you talk to them on Skype for 30 minutes if you pay $100
>people obviously tell them that is a very shitty idea
>BG says it was not his decision, alternates between claiming it was due to popular demand and that he was more or less forced by "his manager" (mom Creber)
>HN writes an article about it
>people start to point out that the Crebers are apparently quite taxing on the con staffs nerves
>BG shows up there, says that is not true and people don't know the whole story
>more people show up and tell BG that yes, this is definitely what mother Creber is acting like (Mane Attraction: The script)
>he goes into an autistic fit of rage and starts ranting about how everyone else but them is worthless, that they are the only ones with "actual experience in the showbiz!", saying all those Youtubers will never amount to anything
>Sibsy gets upset because she married a Youtuber

>>25642855
This type of people will never learn that until they make the experience themselves. They are so full of themselves that they believe the outcome of doing so will be totally different, because THEY know how to handle this situation and obviously everyone will be in awe when they show up to "set things right".

He fails to realize that his only relevancy comes from latching onto Michelle.

>>25637730
>I'm gonna start a donation drive but keep a few percentage for me and the effort I spend organizing everything, so it has to be worth it cause I pay myself first then the rest goes to the charity

Isn't this how a lot of big charities work: operating expenses do exist after all.

On the other hand, one person is not a big charity.

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>>25643350
>all this damage control

>>25643640
The best sign that he truly lost this one. When you get angry and start throwing around insults making weak statements like "Oh yeah, where is the video proof?" you'll never recover from it.

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>make a retarded statement and insult people far more successful than you are or will ever be as hacks who have no idea how it works "in the real world!"

>"y-you are not allowed to judge him by that statement, it's just one sentence!"
Kek, yeah. One sentence which shows that he is an arrogant, presumptuous asshole.
And quite honestly an idiot who will never make it anywhere because he doesn't know which fights to pick and which to ignore.

>>25643637

Purple "I'm not a crook" Tinker not only mismanaged con funds and outright stole them to buy herself new gadgets during her embarrassingly short run at Bronycon, she also scammed Horse News readers the time they raised money for a "pie in the face" charity. She promised to take a pie in the face if HN raised X dollars, they did, no pie-face video ever materialized.

Purple Tinker is a known thief and scam artist in this fandom, and the fact that she's defending BlackGryph0n only makes him look more like a thief, too.

>>25643240
So wait did mando and sibsy split up?

Beta 8ch net/faust/

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>>25643670
>she

>>25643670
>herself
>she

>>25643670
>she
>implying he didn't pay for his expenses out-of-pocket

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>"professional" manager arguing in the HN comment section and threatening sanctions
kek

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>>25643715
This is better than mandomommy

>>25643700
>implying his penchant for attaching himself to any popular charity movement isn't just a savvy ploy to skim off of the donations
>implying Bronycon wasn't just another excuse to feel important/skim money

>>25643715
dayum this is some good ol' drama we have here. Haven't thought it could happen again

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>>25633458
This info gave me cancer.

>>25638788
This.

>>25638949
This.

>>25640983
Ahahaha! This post is underrated.

>>25639636
This.

>>25640093
>was sarcasm
I am sorry to say, but >>25639998 is right (even if off by one or two), but why?

Because we sit here with some serious trolls and idiots, that's why (based on common sense) sarcasm is banned, and you probably know that using this will be confusing as fuck for everyone.

>>25640212
You, I like you.

>>25641976
I dislike this fag. >Decades? What a liar.

>>25642666
This post gave me keks, devil.
I owe you one PedoSoul.

>>25642780
Why not? Satan seems like a cozy guy.

>>25642667
Is it trully what happened?

>>25643584
>how to run
Hot to ruin*
ftfh

>his immediate backpedaling when he is confronted by someone else than Anonymous
kek

>>25643624
>He fails to realize that his only relevancy comes from latching onto Michelle.
Or, knowing that he tries to build up his 'fame'. Anyway, it's making me feel triggered.

>>25643566
Wasn't he an US soldier?
They kinda have that in blood.

>>25643667
This post does please me.

>>25643715
>When we arrived, the auditorium was empty and NOTHING was prepared for the concert.
She assumes that they weren't suppose to at least supervisor the preparations for the concert. Is it the way this new-generation of 'musicians' work? God dammit, I would be fired with that attitude.

>I would like to speak to you privately
A funny name for threatening with a sue.
Thank you for showing all of that, Anons. It all look like we, or at least some among us are better persons than these... I don't know the exact word to call them.

>>25643802
O, happy day!

I feel bad for Michelle.