Situational/Multiple Form Changes

Look interesting at first sight, but it's not that good in practical terms. A classic upgrade is better.

>>15831252
Momotarou Densetsu
>mfw there's no raw and no one is able to sub this series

>>15831320
Are there any shows where the situational/multiple form changing is utilized well in your opinion?

>>15831252
Pokémon has Deoxys who has different forms specializing in Attack, Defense and Speed.
Castform adjusts to weather.

Iron Man also used to have different situational armors. Though his most recent one works more like a Rider form change.

>>15831427
Every Heisei Rider except Ex-Aid

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>>15831464
Except also Ryuki, Blade, Hibiki and Kabuto, who just get power-ups. Decade considers Faiz Accel a Form Ride, probably because of the time limit.

>>15831472
Ex-Aid also does. In the show he only has two forms at the same level, Gekitotsu Robots and Sharakiri Sports.

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>>15831472
Weird on how Ryuki through Kabuto didn't have the multiple form change concept that Black RX and Kuuga established

>>15831252
That classic anime, Ben 10.

>>15831486
>establish character as highly skilled badass who don't need no additional forms until Hyper
>wait don't we need to sell toys?
>ohfuck.jpg

No wonder there's such a stark difference between Kabuto and Den-O, all aboard the merchandising train LITERALLY

>>15831472
Kabuto does have form changes, it just doesnt have many

>>15831427
Ultraman Tiga and Orb

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>>15831605
It's not really weird.
They just offset not having many different forms of the same Rider with having more Riders. Still plenty of toys to sell

>>15831252
CAS from Zoids.

>>15831320
That's just reaffirmation of the fact that specialization is superior to being a jack of all trades, especially in a group.

>>15831486
They tried different ways to keep similar toy output(be it with riders and vehicles, or different drivers) and see what worked.

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>>15831427
In anime, I like the strike packs in Seed and impulse packs in Seed Destiny. Works well.

In toku, I think we can see the best examples in mech scenes (TimeRobo). But using it in human heroes, I'm not a big fan. In the case of RX, it's really nice for character design and sell toys - no doubt about it - but for the show itself... I don't think so.

>>15831464
New form =/= upgrade. Example: in the case of TimeRobo, the same robot has 2 forms (alpha and gama, 3 if you count the jet form). If he combines with Time Shadow, the other robot, he got an upgrade (a bigger robot).

>>15831605
Toys are settled before the show starts. Tendou's character traits and abilities were decided with his weapons/forms already in mind.

>>15831930
> In the case of RX, it's really nice for character design and sell toys - no doubt about it - but for the show itself... I don't think so.
I'd argue that's more because RX is a mess in general rather than an issue with the forms.

>>15831320
I like it when the heros powers are a little impracticable but it's what he has, so instead of just using a "strongest" form all the time he has to switch one the fly and adapt to the situation.

Kuuga I especially liked how he'd instantly change to Titan to take a hit and had a few other instances of instant changing in the middle of a fight.

Riders might have a ton of forms but they can't change as instantly since Gaim, they have to put collectables in and out of their belt to change.

>>15831486
The newer riders aren't even necessarily about the form changes. They're about transformation gadgets for the belts, the forms are basically accessories for those.

Honestly I'd rather have a single protagonist with a bunch of different forms than multiple protagonists.

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It's kinda lame when they start out with multi-form or accessory gimmicks then introduce mid or final season upgrades that render those gimmicks useless.

>>15831252
Like it a lot.

Thought Wizard's had the potential to be the most interesting, where certain elemental monsters were weak to different elements but like so much in Wizard, they really kind of herped and derped their way through it. Does Wizard hold the record for most alternate forms?

Heard that Fire, Bikel, and Walter from Winspector were originally alternate forms for Jiban that just got spun off into a new show.

Pretty Cure does it a lot of course.

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I wonder if Toku suit makers hate henshin heroes with mix-match multi-form gimmicks. There are some designs that aren't as modular as their toys.

Case in point are the KR Gaim's ARMs. Everything seems modular except for the chest section which is embedded into the undersuit. So when they do something out of the norm like this HBV special, they had to use white tape.

I can't imagine KR W or Build suits being made modular as well so they'll have to make new suits for every permutation.

>>15831626
>Kabuto does have form changes, it just doesnt have many
It doesn't really matter after the first episodes, because he's fighting another rider or the worms molts straight away.

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>>15833797
Just comes down to how the gimmick toys work, I think. The Gaim ones didn't clamp to the figure but they needed them to do so to make the stunt guys actually move otherwise every armor piece would flop around like Pineapple Arms.

And sometimes those odd combinations just leads to half efforts, Ghost had those where using the jacket from a form tied to Ghost or Specter's base forms with Boost/Deep Specter they didn't change the horns to match the upgrades. And in Specters case didn't even bother change the helmet but just kept the black head. With Ghost they just slapped the old faceplate ontop of a Boost head so it was still red.

>>15833797
They should just hav eincorporated that color into the armor design, like Banana Arms, which still kept the silver connector when used by Gaim since it wasn't trying to mimic Baron's undersuit's color.

>>15831486
Instead of multiple form, its multiple rider instead. Kind of peeved that the forms don't have any advantages at different situation other than new form is stronger in everything.

>>15831427
Kuuga

>>15831252
I love it. I just wish it was used better in a lot of cases. I know a show would get stale if the hero could counter everything thrown at them, but would a little common sense hurt? I mean if you're fighting a fire monster, MAYBE you should try the water-based form you have instead of using the plant one and wondering why you're being burned to a crisp?

>>15833886
But it was mimicking Baron's undersuit. It's just lucky that Baron's torso is a neutral silver instead of red.

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>>15834120
Speaking of Baron, you could tell Baron Lemon Energy was an unplanned late addition because the chest's undersuit bits is black (Duke's undersuit colors)

>>15833927
Yeah Kuuga made it a point to show how he gets his new forms to counter specific enemies.

>>15834153
>(Duke's undersuit colors)
Actually, all energy Riders had those black bits. They were supposed to be an upgraded version of the "rider wear" undersuit, the "Genetic Rider Wear".

They give up on keeping consistency with that once Lemon Baron is introduced though, since he keeps an undersuit without the black bits, but it's still called Genetic Ride Wear.

And then later we get Sengoku Driver Duke still using the same undersuit too.

>>15834196
>They give up on keeping consistency with that once Lemon Baron is introduced though, since he keeps an undersuit without the black bits, but it's still called Genetic Ride Wear.

At least with that you can headcanon that Ryoma just copypasted the suit data from Baron's suit into the Driver/Lockseed.

Basic Duke actually makes more sense, since it's within Ryoma's character to carry the design over, and then base everyone's Rider Wear suits off his design.

>>15831427
Den-O was a neat take imo simply because each form was a different character

>>15833630
Kiva, Fourze, Gaim, Drive, and Ghost (and Ex-Aid) were pretty guility of having their multi-form/accessory gimmicks being rendered useless once the mid-series and final upgrades appear in-show.

Not sure if the Ultraman franchise had this big of a problem/complaint when it comes to the whole "major/final upgrade makes the multi-form/accessory gimmick pointless' issue.

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>>15833710
15 Medals, 5 Heads, 5 Torsos, 5 Legs, 3 Slots... It's Permutation or Combination?

There is also a 6th set of Orange Medals, but those were never confirmed to be able to combine with the others, unlike the Purple ones.

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Ryukendo had Fire, Aqua, and Thunder (The upgraded versions of them were Burning, Blizzard and Lightning).

Any thoughts on those forms and their usage in Ryukendo's series?

>>15834153
>Yeah Kuuga made it a point to show how he gets his new forms to counter specific enemies.
Sucks it had it at the cost of the show having action.

>>15834196
>They give up on keeping consistency with that once Lemon Baron is introduced though, since he keeps an undersuit without the black bits, but it's still called Genetic Ride Wear.
The Genesis Driver is inconsistent but not in there, as the undersuit is only black on the chest, its mostly Baron's suit.

It is inconcistent when Micchy uses it and has the exact same as Takatora though.

Sengoku Duke isn't inconsistent either as there was no statement on how those worked. Might as well be the same.

>>15836580
>as the undersuit is only black on the chest, its mostly Baron's suit.
That's the problem. He's using a Genesis Driver but not getting the Genesis Rider-style undersuit with the black parts.

Then the site goes, "yep, that's totally the same upgraded undersuit of the other Genesis Riders!".

>>15831252
Getter Robo. TV anime only, of course. All the other stuff is too busy being Xtreme to use Getter's main gimmick well.

Impulse Gundam from Destiny has a cool gimmick where it can change configuration mid battle, though not surprisingly it is underused. It's good in SRW.

I also want to say Kamen Rider W used form changes well in the first quarter of the show and having to push new toys like Fang and Ultimate ruined the flow.

>>15836580
The Genesis Driver was very clearly designed for Yggdrasil to use to rule over the remaining 1 billion who would only have Sengoku Drivers meaning they were each hard coded for a specific user, like Kaito's being coded for his suit to give the lazy kitbash. Micchy on the other hand just straight up used Takatora's driver and got his suit. Simple as that.

>>15831252
Sadly Black RX and Kuuga were the absolute best examples of this in Toku.

Agito was wishy washy in committing, so Storm and Flame feel almost the same (needless to talk about Trinity).

They follow a straight Base<Mid<Final formula up through Den-O, at which point it doesn't factor in so much anymore. Things become almost redundant.

Kiva does it slightly better, except for Dogabaki being a throw away, and Emperor making everything else beyond irrelevant.

Everything afterwards has just felt forced since.

>>15831427
W was the very best. Even with Xtreme, their basic forms each had enough utility to keep being used, especially because there weren't a gazillion different forms/combinations, they didn't drown each other out either and kept being used instead of being forgotten as the show went on.

>>15831252
I like them, but only when each form has a justifiable specialised purpose, and not just an arbitrary form to push toys that will be soon forgotten. The best of the bunch to do this were Black RX, Kuuga, W and OOO. In each, their different forms/combinations had a specific function or purpose that was actually useful for the most part and saw continual use, unlike say the majority of Fourze's Astroswitches.

>>15834329
>Not sure if the Ultraman franchise had this big of a problem/complaint when it comes to the whole "major/final upgrade makes the multi-form/accessory gimmick pointless' issue.
The only Ultra that has multiples forms AND super upgrades I can think of is Ultraman Zero, but he barely uses them.
The Ultimate Zero form is restricted by an energy limit and he only use it to travel between universes or fights against super powerful enemies. Then there is the Shinning Zero form (which is more of a super form than Ultimate, since that is more like an armor set), but he only used it thrice (two for that form specific godlike abilities, one for a crossover movie so he can do all the cool finisher moves). But the Shiing Zero form does make other forms look pathetic

>>15838237
>The only Ultra that has multiples forms AND super upgrades I can think of is Ultraman Zero, but he barely uses them.

Recent Ultras (X, Orb, Geed) all have multiple form and super upgrades.

>>15836737
>Getter Robo. TV anime only, of course. All the other stuff is too busy being Xtreme to use Getter's main gimmick well.
These are blatant lies and you know it, shitposter.

>>15838237
Like this >>15838241 said, all to be rendered useless as time goes on

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The blue Masked Rider was weakest of the three designs.

>>15831486
I don't even know if Den-o himself even counts since the form change changes the character fighting too. Its more like 4 power rangers in one suit. Ryotaro is literally just a vessel until he gets his own suit. Even some team ups just have Momotaros in instead of Ryotaro.

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Mega Man had Power and Jet Mega Man but were only playable in one game(Mega Man 6)

>>15836646
Didn´t notice that, thanks for pointing it out.


>>15836809
> meaning they were each hard coded for a specific user, like Kaito's being coded for his suit to give the lazy kitbash. Micchy on the other hand just straight up used Takatora's driver and got his suit. Simple as that.
Yoko uses Ryoma's driver and still gets her usual Malika suit.

>>15839654
But Biorider is actually the strongest.

>>15839654
>The form that looks more like an evolution of Black than base RX
>Weakest
No.

>>15841571
Well, if you want to get technical, the powers he steals from Robot Masters could count as mode changes.

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>>15834329
>Tfw I really liked the level 3s like DoReMiFaBeat and Gekitotsu Robot but they were almost never used

>>15831252
>Furthermore, what are your thoughts on the situational/multiple form change concept.
WOAAHH KIDS CHECK IT OUT, WE SWAPPED SOME COLORS AND SOME MINOR DETAILS, ITS A "NEW FORM"!
CRY TO YOUR PARENTS UNTIL THEY DECIDE THEIR SANITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR HARD EARNED CASH AND THEY BUY. IT. NOW!!!
theres my thoughts on this matter, OP
Fuck Heisei Rider and its ugly-ass blatant cash-ins
Its almost as bad as the gimmicks they've been putting in Ultraman in the 2010s. Everything has to be dragged down to Super Sentai's level, because it sells better. Fuck the free market

>>15839111
Come off it dude everyone that loves Getter complains about Getter 3 not getting enough spotlight in the manga. Especially in Go and beyond.

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>>15831252
>60 posts in
>No one mentions the original queen of form changing

Come on, guys. I know you're better than that.

>>15844572
>The form that looks more like an evolution of Black than base RX
You know, I never thought about that but I get where you're coming from(not the guy yiu were replying to btw).

>>15844778
Those people are retarded and wrong, like all Gettercucks.

>>15831938
I thought once RX can turn to Bio Rider, that's what he's been relying all the time. Bio Rider is OP as fuck.

>>15841571
Was gonna post this if nobody else had.

>>15845106
>memetroid
Fuck off /v/ermin

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>>15845292
The Falcon and Gaea Armors from Mega Man X5 remind me of Jet and Power Mega Man

>>15845106
All of her forms are direct upgrades. There's no point in changing from one to the other. Once you get Gravity you don't suddenly need to go back to Varia

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>>15831252
Anybody remember Daigunder? I seem to recall a few combos outside of the main robot being used intermittently throughout the series.