How do you fix AC stale gameplay?

>>15816880
You put the franchise on ice until VFs become a thing in real life.

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>>15816880
You introduce energy and high AoA maneuvers to it. that's all it ever needed. Hell, war thunder only has energy laid down and retards still spend time on that shit. Imagine rotating your plane at low speeds with thrust vectoring...

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>>15816880
This

>>15817041
That's dumb.

It should be flight envelopes, give every plane unique handling beyond the simplistic speed and mobility metrics used.

>>15817110
Is this still the best combat flight sim? I have been in a cave for 20 years

>>15817118
never was
falcon 4.0 still reigns to this day

>>15816880
You don't. It's not stale, it's solid.

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>>15817114
>Dumb
>Flight envelope
>Literally anything concerning the aircraft.
Wow anon you sure ftfm

>>15817154

>Falcon 4.0

Wasn't there some sort of joke that if you can actually play that game you could fly the Falcon in real life?

Let me pull some wicked shit if I'm good enough, I want to Cobra damn it.

Aside from that leave it how it is, it's fun arcade action.

>>15817399
I think it might be because of the game manual, it's a brick

>>15816916
A Macross game made by Project Aces when?!

>>15816880
You don't because that's how you get Assault Horizon.

>>15816880
Started with Air Combat way back when, and I'm just unimpressed at what I've seen of AC7

I think I might be checking out on this one, mostly due to the gameplay which does nothing for me

the gameplay is stale but the how the story is told and the great music make up for it.

start shooting down your friends

>>15817475
>>15817041
Kono said that post stall manuevring will be possible with certain aircraft.

What is the current best Armored Core game that 's playable in English?

>>15817638
how come?

>>15818338
They're all playable in English so that would depend on what your favorite is, and pretty much all of them except Nine Breaker and V are someone's favorite. 4 and FA are the easiest to get into for casuals if that's what you mean.

>>15817118
fun, not the best or tired to be a sim, but I like it a lot back then.

I only played Assault Horizon, gave up half way.

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>>15818315
Erect. I am erect.

>>15818446
>I only played Assault Horizon, gave up half way
>Assault Horizon

There's your issue. I mean I'm not saying any of them are sims, they're not. But Horizon was beyond EZ, and completely boring.

>>15818456
I'd love to know what kind of cheese you were in on, AH was more a trial and error game where the CPU would blow your asshole out without warning for me.

Objectives were pretty much on HEY YOU'RE ABOUT TO FAIL THE OBJECTIVE the moment they popped into existence, there's an escort in one of the missions who'd die so easily you'd believe they were scripted to do so, and then there's nonsense like final Markov or the Trinity missile that you have to chase during its initial burn while the exhaust melts your plane because you are required to do the dumb cool thing.

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>>15816880
Maybe this indie guy can do it? https://rb-d2.itch.io/wingman

>>15818490
How

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>>15818521
Lord knows.
The dev just got an 18,000 USD grant from the Unreal Engine team

>>15816880
Add beam sabers and include beam saber melee combos.

>>15818546
He fucking deserves it.

>>15818546
What do you think he can do better than ac at bandi-namco

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>>15818582
Not go full jew with aircraft DLC.

>>15818590
That's it?

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>>15818490

Are there any Variable Fighters?

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>>15818601
Its one dude doing it in his spare time, of course he can't do more than a full team of highly experienced pro devs with a major game publisher funding.

>>15818608
The threads about fixing gameplay not about doing more, its about doing something different

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>>15818627
OP is just being a retarded faggot like always.

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>>15818315
Link or it didn't happen. I can't allow myself to get this excited about something uncertain

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>>15818604
Link to this guy's pixiv page?

>>15817114
You need energy economy to make flight envelopes useful.

I just want a good AC game. Really hoping they don't try to give us Assault Horizon again.

>>15820004
There are good AC games. They're just not presented on PC, because fucking developers focusing on consoles.

I wish they would make the AC3,4, 5 and Zero remasters for PC.

And I hope that the developers would make something Crimson Skies-ish.

>>15818649
Like it or not, stale is a valid descriptor. Very little changes about the games, at most a new feature sticks for like 2 games before getting lobotomized, save for secondary weapons and High G turns.

Change isn't needed for the sake of change, but at the same time it's hard to deny the games aren't at their core the same thing over and over again with some sort of gimmick thrown in to superficially differentiate them. Not only that, there's noticeable shortcomings with that core loop when applied to certain game modes: AC is practically an imbalanced clusterfuck by nature in multiplayer, yet there's this weird compulsion to include it, dating back quite a bit. Without reapproaching the concept of arcade jet combat from the ground up, AC MP will never work out the way it should.

Ultimately this is a problem for Namco to solve, unless you want to make such a game yourself in which case PLEASE TRY SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE THAN CLONING AC AND CALLING IT A TRIBUTE, YOU COULD BE DOING SO MUCH MORE THAN REINVENTING THE WHEEL HERE.

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>>15820027
>playing ace combat for the multiplayer

>>15820027
So much this

>>15820037
>spending development cycles on a multiplayer mode in a franchise where the pvp experience has been kusoge tier for nearly everything except every other round of capital conquest

Namco certainly thinks it's important. They made an entire f2p entry focused on multiplayer, and it unfortunately printed money for them.

>>15820016
>remasters on PC
Jesus Christ I would pay good money for that. Fuck, I would even just take the actual games running on PC.
But no, all we get is Assault Horizon, which likely made the Japanese think "oh. I guess PC doesn't like AC".

>>15820058
Ace Combat 7 is releasing on PC.

>>15820060
I hope it sells well.
I know it's coming out for PC, but the waiting is killing me.

>>15819852
I know its >reddit but here's the source of the claim.
https://www.reddit.com/r/acecombat/comments/6icp9r/ace_combat_7_will_have_poststall_maneuver_cobra/

>>15820058
Doubt it.

Until not too long ago with UE4, Japan would see PC as a lost cause if it cost additional resources and cycles to target the platform. Sure if the publisher wants to foot the bill (if you account for AH being what it is because Bamco wanted the CoD money, then the pieces of their logic start to fall in place, I feel) then you could outsource the port, AH was done by slavs and runs insanely well on PC consequently, but in house wasn't really a thing unless the engine targeted PC from the getgo. Capcom comes to mind here, their MT and RE engines were aiming for PC, the former was in fact designed around the idea of downscaling from a master PC version of a given game, so every MT framework game was in fact a port of an internal PC build.

Now skip ahead to today where UE4 is one of the most popular engines and ACTUALLY HAS JAPANESE DOCUMENTATION, the results have been that so many moon games are getting simultaneous console and PC release, because it's trivial now to make a PC version and upload it to Steam, once you've cleared it with the publishers over who gets what and when.

Also before you get hyped over the idea of PS2 games getting ported, remember there's a fucking world of difference between emotion engine architecture and the average x86 rig, not to mention those games were designed with a particular controller in mind where nearly every one of its buttons were pressure sensitive. Zero plays like ass in emulation, even before you account for the visual glitches. You'd be better off asking they redo them within the AH/I engine or UE4.

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The problem (if you want to call it that) is that there's not really a whole lot you can do to improve mechanically for AC, Project Aces has the arcade flight style down perfectly. The scenarios the player has to go through are what really separates each game from the next, like how 5 has more one-off gimmick missions or how Zero has a larger focus on taking on Ace squads. 7 is already marking its own identity by placing emphasis on cloud coverage, which is a great use of modern hardware by the way.

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>>15821318
The weather system and VR are definitely the biggest advancements. I know some people hate VR, but its perfect for this kind of game. Pair that with a HOTAS and you're good to go.

>>15821318
I think there's a lot of room to explore in making the aircraft roles more specialized, like introducing pure interceptors, or having the fighters play with significant difference (the F15 should corner best at full speed, for example, and the Typhoon should have a lockon time that speeds up the closer you are to represent its FLIR system, stuff like that...)

The cloud cover system might be a good addition but I suspect it'll be a one of, which would suck. I think the only other time it appeared was in like one stage of Sky Crawlers Innocent Aces, but as a primitive form of line of sight break.

So many possibilitiea to expand and freshen up the ac experience, yet the devs choose not to

Dont be afraid, proj aces

>>15821404
How would you do it?
>>15821395
I think the roles are fine as they are (fighters, attackers, multirole). Anything more would be a bit too complicated for a game like Ace Combat.

>>15821433
I actually kinda want some more complexity, just fighting game up the game loo

>>15821458
*loop

>>15821458
if some shmuck on reddit is to be believed, there's gonna be post stall manuevers such as cobras and kulbits that the player can perform by inputting controls in a certain way.

they could keep remaking ace combat 5 with an equally engaging story and increased selection of planes and paint jobs and I'd buy day 1 every time.

>>15821465
katabuchi (scenario writer for AC4, and 5) is in charge of 7's story.

>>15816880
The gameplay is fine though? Just as long as they go back to how 6 was and get away from the DFM nonsense. Six was the best game in the series.

I thought the close range assault mechanic in AH was great but apparently everyone and their mom hate it.

Won't even dignify the post above me with a (you).

>>15821470
>6
>best

Is this the shitposting hour?

>>15821481
In terms of gameplay it was.

>>15821483
So yes, it's shitposting hour.

>>15821484
The gameplay was great you faggot. All the planes felt like they had MASS and WEIGHT, and you couldn't fling them around like a toddler with his toy plane, like in Infinity or AH.

>>15821489
>hating on maximum drift
>when 6 does the exact same thing

And it's funny you complain about baby toy shit when 6 is babysitting: the in flight movie.

>>15821500
Not to the extent that AH and Infinity do.
Seriously, the flight model in AH and Infinity is way too light, and I felt like it was a bit too jerky. Also, AI in the two games after 6 will literally eat physics for dinner and shit out kulbits. You don't know bullshit until a Foxbat turns around and fires missiles backwards at you, and then turns back to its former position and zoom away like the Super Sylph from Yukikaze.

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The only real answer is to add
MORE
FUCKING
LASERS

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>>15821520
>mfw Excalibur Onslaught IV
Sucks being a nugget with only one level 10+ plane.

>>15821517
That's just Infinity being badly balanced.

But 6 tells physics to fuck off pretty raw with how you can hold out high G in that game whereas AH/I only lets you pump high G.

Besides I could guarantee 6 still has enemy planes flying through the ground somewhere, it happens every game.

>>15821468
Very nice. Who wrote 0? That has my favorite story of the series.

>>15821539
Naoto Maeda, Kosuke Itomi, Kouki Matsumoto (according to IMDB).

>>15816880
AC's gameplay needed fixing so bad that they scrapped the shit they added in games like Assault Horizon and essentially went back to PS2-era gameplay

Yeah nah, Ace Combat is fine you poof

>>15821574
To be fair they're bringing back the flare system.

Not that flares felt relevant in AH or anything.

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>>15821579
Yeah, the flares in Assault Horizon were literally only useful for the bomber mission.
I wonder how they'll balance out the flares with the traditional gameplay of AC where most missiles could be simply avoided by pulling a turn at just the right time. Maybe some enemies will also carry spam cans of AIM-120's?

>>15821590
Massive buff to missiles maybe?

Cloud cover also gives a bit of a safety net to pull a reverse AH and emphasize BVR when out of cover.

>>15821395
>F15C: VMAX - acceleration and max velocity increases for a set time, take damage over time but never exceed 90%

>F35: tactical data link - targets visible to wingmates are visible to you and can be locked onto from extended range.

>F117: Air Strike Mode v2 - plots an optimized bombing route and buffs reload times after filling a Close Range Assault meter

>F14: Phoenix - radar range and lock ranges greatly enhanced, but cannot identify the target with IFF at such ranges

>F22: Dog Fight Mode v2 - enhanced target management allows for the pilot to focus on shooting down aerial targets in an efficient manner, allowing them to chain kills via enhanced reload speeds and incredible maneuvering; meter ability, requires downing targets to build up a DFM meter. Autopilot functions are disabled during this time, so the pilot must make their own course corrections.

I was thinking you could use the CRA button input to actually activate a super mode for each plane based in some fashion on their real world capabilities.

Though, that probably means the Raptor should actually have an AESA jamming beam ability instead.

>>15816880
more tunnel raid.

>>15821681
If we don't fly through the lighthouse I'll eat a cake shaped like a hat.

>>15821681
The fortress assault mission in 6 where you had to fly through all the tunnels was really fun.

>>15820027
Stale would be a valid descriptor if the gameplay was actually bad in any way.

Armored Core Ace Combat crossover would solve these problems

Armored Core Ace Combat Assassins Creed crossover would solve these problems

>>15821702
Yeah, and I also liked that you had the option to do stuff to complete that mission without going in a tunnel.

>>15822204
>>15822433
Add Animal Crossing too and I think we're set.

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>>15817484
I'd give my left leg for that.

I wonder if 7 will have dual audio? The English voice acting in the series has been less than stellar.

>>15823734
Probably. The last game in the series (Infinity) had dual audio, so I don't see why they'd change.
That said, the voice acting in 7 seems fine.

>>15823734
It probably will, though you've got some shit taste if you think the AC dubs are bad.

>>15823744
AH also had multiple audio tracks, though I think only PC lets you reliably dual audio your way through moon and burger without playing a Japanese copy.

I mean, there's a certain novelty to playing the game German dubbed.

5 was also dual audio but it's clear they timed captions to the English dub rather than having subtitles proper so it feels real janky when set to Japanese.

>>15816880

No HUD view, cockpit and 3rd person only.

>>15823782
>No HUD view
delet

>>15823839

HUD is silly, it makes you the plane. Cockpit is you flying the plane, and 3rd person is you checking out the engines you perv.

>>15823852
>it makes you the plane

Don't see the problem. Moreover, quite often in AC you literally are the plane.

>>15823852
HUD view works if you think it's like HMD

The gameplay won't change until they make missiles actually able to hit the player and not be avoidable by just pulling a hard turn in any random direction when it's nearby.
It doesn't have to be DCS. Just make missiles more dangerous to the player and give them more mechanics to interact with.

>>15825583
Hopefully they'll include an Ace of Aces difficulty with the game instead of releasing it as DLC like with AC6.

>>15825637
>wanting a meme difficulty

>>15825644
What kind of faggot /v/ buzzword is that.

>>15825637
who cares

>>15826048
you seem to care enough to respond.