Macross

Delta starts good but the second half is meh. There's a movie coming that might fix that. There's also a new series coming soon.

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>>15799947

I watched all of the TV series shortly after Frontier ended, including the English dub of SDF, but not really any of the movies, and of course, not Delta. I thought it was the VF-19 in the Delta promo when I saw it, which I was pretty hype for, but I understand it isn't. Plus and Zero were my favorites and I liked SDF a lot. 7 just felt like it kept going and going.

I've loved the idea of the super maneuverable aerospace superiority craft, and I would really, really like a simulator style Macross game, but that will probably never happen, especially with Harmony Gold existing.

>>15799954

Oh? Is the music at least good? Is the ending alright or does it shit the bed and ruin it?

Forgot I posted it on tumblr

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>>15799947

Also giant alien tiddies. Who doesn't love giant alien tiddies?

>>15799966
I liked Delta's music a lot.

>>15799972
But they're never the heroines who win the MC.

>>15799947
Delta has amazing music and a stellar first half, but the second half tanks about as hard as the Frontier TV show but without a satisfying finale.

It's probably just going to get a 'meh' from someone who blasts through it in a marathon.
Or you could go through the first cour (as was originally intended before the series got extended for huge popularity) and wait for the movie.

Don't forget to giri giri your ai ais.

>>15799966
I love the music, Junna is amazing.

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>>15800076

It was the creators who had betrayed us the entire time. Something must be done to remedy this.

>>15800099

I'm surprised a Macross show wouldn't have been expected to do well. Doesn't Macross tend to like the top 5 most popular anime in Japan or something like that?

Downloaded the episodes from Horrible subs and my knowledge of the series is a few years old. For some reason I was thinking the Monster was unit named the Cheyenne and 'Monster' was just the nickname, though I'm still 99% sure last time I looked it had 330mm cannons and not 400mm.
Also kinda surprised I can remember most of the lyrics of Aimo even though I don't know what a single word means.

>>15800136
If it was that popular in Japan, they'd make a new installment year after year

>>15800136
Popular enough to turn a movie into 13 episodes and then back to a movie.

>>15800136
>It was the creators who had betrayed us the entire time. Something must be done to remedy this.
It's all the fault of Japanese otaku. Giantess cannot win because they're not yamato nadeshikos, but tomboy warriors.

>>15800311
none of the macross winners are yamato nadeshikos either(aside from Misa, maybe)

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>>15799966
I cannot force myself to finish 7. I got to the point where they find the planet and finally tapped out. Nothing significant ever happens and every episode follows the exact same structure. Aliens show up, glasses tank top guy goes out and shoots music bullets at the baddies, the baddies are disturbed and leave, glasses flies back. Every episode. Its a hellish tedium that is straight from a DFW novel.
Maybe one day I'll finish it so I can continue down the franchise entries, but it was such a chore.

>>15800385
Wow, so you quit just as the story enters the last arc.

>>15800385
Why you didn't listen to his song?!

I just watched Macross Zero.

Apart from the mechanical designs, I don't think I liked it very much. It started out well but the ending was just ridiculous, and not in a good Macross way either. Also it subtly contradicted a lot of previously-established things about Roy Focker, the development of the Valkyries, etc.

>>15800398
well that is somewhat encouraging in terms of going back to finish it, and while I can't exactly remember what episode I was on I do recall there were still quite a few episdoes left. And then add in dynamite, encore, and plus and just the sheer amount of shit left pushed me over the edge.

>>15800419
Dynamite is actually the best Macross OVA ever.

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What is the /C on Macross Elysion and arms? Compact?
Macross Quarter is supposed to be one quarter size(400m, not really 'quarter') of SDF-1 (1200m) and Elysion is listed as twice Quarter's size (800m).
The flight decks are labeled CV/C-108, identifying them as Aircraft Carriers, but not CVS like the Prometheus (Technically incorrect, but it wasn't an Anti-Sub Carrier), and the Elysion is the SDF/C-108. All I can think is that if it's supposed to be only twice the size of Quarter, and be a smaller Macross-type variable ship, that /C would have to designate it as Compact. Is there any sort of media or material regarding it?
They mention it in Episode 3 don't they? I'm gonna be sperging out on shit that gets mentioned later, I just know it.

>>15800311

Fast Pack Klan was the best part of Frontier. God damn moe fuckers.

>>15800385

50 episodes that felt like 500. The show is good, but god the pacing is awful.

>>15800325
What are you talking about? All of them are waifu-bait.

>>15800398
I actually dropped it at that point too. I just couldn't take it anymore.

>>15800476
yamato nadeshiko doesn't mean waifubait, you gigantic dweeb.
its a term used for perfect/ideal japanese woman.

>>15800505
>its a term used for perfect/ideal japanese woman.

which in the context of modern mecha anime (and anime in general) means waifubait.

>>15800505
So Misa, Myung, Sara, Gamlin, and Sheryl right? They're all Yamato Nadeshikos.

>>15800520
how is sheryl or myung or whatsherface brown chick japanese

Delta is worth only for the Giri Giri Ai song.

>>15800525
Sheryl is the initiator in the relationship, and is quite sexually agressive. Quite different from the Yamato Nadeshiko ideal of a meek china doll who does all the laundry and cooks dinner.

>>15800533
Except that's not the actual Yamato Nadeshiko ideal. Yamato Nadeshiko are supposed to have great housework skills and take care of the man, but they're also supposed to be strong-willed and able to stand up to defend the home if the man is away. That's why a lot of the classic tsunderes have martial arts skills.

>>15800407
>Also it subtly contradicted a lot of previously-established things about Roy Focker, the development of the Valkyries, etc
As much as I love Macross, its own idea of what's canon is total bullshit and changes to whatever is convenient for the story.

>>15800530
>Delta is worth only for the Giri Giri Ai song.

The CD/mp3/flac is sufficient for listening to the song. You don't need to suffer through the slogfest that is the tv show.

>>15800422

Is that the 7 one?

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>>15800710
Yes.

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I finished Episode 13 of Delta. So now what, does it just go slow as shit for the next 13?

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>>15801139

The rest of it does fall off, but it's not that bad. A bit better than Frontier maybe, ending could have been more dynamic but I can see leaving it open for continuation. At least it wasn't the endless hell of Nikki Basara's Wild Ride and the Highest Pitched VA's Available.
It was enjoyable

>>15800153
Isn't half the reason they don't do that because Kawamori spends so much time designing VF concepts to use? I remember reading a while back he spent so long on the SV-262s that he didn't have time to do much with the VF-31.
Also Kawamori has other projects he works on outside of Macross and insists on being heavily involved in it.

>>15801839
Basically.

You need Studio Nue to do your designs and you need to sort out music (compsoing, singing, getting the singer). The former is still sought after, the latter takes quite a while even for real singers, let alone anime studios.

You could forsake it all but the you get Macross 2 (No Nue) or Macross Zero (No decent songs) and we all know how well received those were.

Klan Klan doujins are getting translated on E-hentai!

>>15801139
it's very hard to watch even as a deltafag
ep 17 was my favorite though desu

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What's the best Variable Fighter and why is it the VF-19

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>>15804971
Prefer the YF-21 to be honest

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>>15805001

Both of them were good and I guess the 21 would be technically superior.

The VF-31 is not too bad either. I like how it's a sort of design fusion of the VF-0 and VF-19.

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Was it ever explained why the (New) UN Spacy changed their logo?

>>15805114
To differentiate themselves from the old UN Spacy.

>>15805126

Is it even really shown how NUNS is different? By the time they show up, the story starts following PMCs. It seems like same shit different name.

>>15805152
I would like to know more about NUNS. I mean, what's so new about them?

>>15801484
>A bit better than Frontier maybe
What.

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>>15805152
NUNS is basically the old UN Spacy but far more decentralized. This means less interference and orders from Earth, but it also means less material support.

>>15805192

Frontier wasn't bad, but I haven't seen it in nearly 10 years. Delta Part 2 wasn't bad either, it just slowed down and wasn't quite as hyped as Part 1.

I honestly hope they end up doing more covers of older songs or even have the pilots sing along as well.

>>15805204

That why everyone is still flying the 171s?

>>15805367
Usually, poorer fleets/colonies will stay with older VF's, while wealthier colonies/fleets will upgrade as needed.

>>15805367
It turns out that in the far future that is Macross, finance and bureaucracy bullshit will still get in the way of keeping your colonies sufficiently armed. Even when there is the threat of them getting annihilated by a superior enemy out of nowhere, there is still finance and bureaucratic bullshit.

Be honest with me bros - is Macross 7 good? I've watched SDF, DYRL and Plus and now I'm trying to choose what to check out next.

General opinion of 7 seems to be pretty poor but I've seen quite a few people on here defend it. General opinion of Frontier seems to be great but I see a lot of people on here say it's trash. Which is best?

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>>15806149

7 is good, but god it's long and they could've done better with giving Mylene Jenius a different talking VA. Her having different VAs for talking and singing and being like two or three octaves different was a mistake.
Besides length and high-pitchedness I'd say it's very good. Some of the best music in the series.

>>15799947
Delta was rubbish. Some of the songs were excellent though.

>>15806149
Macross 7 does have a rather big filler issue for the first 20 or so episodes where it really is a bit "monster of the week", but once it gets over that initial bump, the plot progression gets going, and you'll experience the hypest moments in all of Macross as a franchise.
Frontier is also pretty good, but I personally like 7 more.

>>15806149
I fucking love 7. It is an acquired taste as it diverges from what people tend to think of Macross. But if you give it a chance it might surprise you.

>>15806149
I think 7's good. It's not without flaws - there's chunks of really obvious stock footage and maybe two songs that get repeated a LOT in the early show - and it's a different style of show than SDF or Plus, so if you go in expecting more of those you may well go "why is this idiot singing?" and turn it off in disgust. You know how the original had some idol stuff, some wackiness, and some serious war drama? 7's got all that too, but it's heavier on the wacky. Also, the main character's development is basically entirely in his songs, which is novel but he can seem really flat if you don't listen to them.
I really didn't like 7 at first, but I've grown very fond of it.

Frontier's fine. It's got the closest idol/VF/romance balance to the original, a couple dumb episodes, a number of quite solid ones. Some people say the movies are better, but I found them terribly paced with odd changes and some admittedly great scenes. Also they have the YF-29, which is a pretty nice design, so they're worth a watch at some point regardless.

>>15806149
There are parts of 7 that I like, and parts of it that I'm really frustrated with. Overall, it's only okay. It's like all the other 50+ episode anime that have been produced; way too many filler episodes that don't even contribute to character development.

>>15805211
I found Delta unwatchable after episode 13. It was clearly meant to wrap up in like 2 or 3 eps of the events of 13 and it just didn't do anything with all those extra episodes. And I really dislike the ending.

>>15805204
Does Earth support anything? Like, I'm pretty sure they did absolutely nothing for Macross 5 and Macross 7.

>>15805367
VF-19 and VF-22 look like way too much as a hero mecha. Some would ask, how come the main character isn't piloting a VF-19, it is so much cooler.

Thus the VF-171 was created.

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>>15806264
The VF-171 is sexy as fuck so I don't complain.

>>15806259
They don't because of the distance.

Earth told Macross 7 to deal with the Protodevlin themselves, and yet 7 had to phone home to use reaction weapons and shit.

The reform into NUNS made that shit a non-issue by effectively making each colony an independent nation-like entity on their own.

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>>15806264

I don't quite understand the concept of a "hero mecha"

The 171s in Frontier makes sense since the VF-19 and 22 are more special ops type craft, and the 171 is a remodel of the 17 which phased in in Macross 7. Delta, the VF-31 looks like a 'fancier' VF-19, so they could have had something like the VF-25 or some other unit as the fodder. That's also assuming the Variable Fighter development is much faster than modern jets.

>>15806335
>VF-25
>fodder in Delta
Thats assuming Frontier actually sells their shit that far.

The 171 is alright as far as VFs go. If anything, the 171EX should probably be more widespread as an upgrade package for the 171.

>>15806348

Was Frontier even the manufacturer of the 25? I suspected that SMS being a PMC would have just bought the latest and greatest for their pilots when they can afford to. It's not the 19 or 22, but it's better than the 171.

>>15806357
Frontier specifically created the VF-25, based on the YF-24. They were manufactured for SMS to field test them before they went into full production for the Frontier fleet to replace the 171.

I believe in the first episode Alto openly recognizes the 25 and is surprised they're already in use.

i'm pretty new to the series with only watching SDF, Zero ( i started with zero after SDF instead plus because LOL Prequel) and then plus, now i just started 7. I'm actually liking it so far SDF imo is legitimately good in all aspects of what make Macross what it is, Zero was good fight scene wise and the CG wasnt as bad i thought it would despite the OVAs being released in the early 2000s. Plus was an actual fucking ride and good visual porn Sharon a best.

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>>15807186
Don't forget the movies, anon.
DYRL for a middle portion of SDF and then the duology that strongly improves Frontier.

>>15806357
The development of the VF-25 was more of collaboration, but its purpose is still primarily to replace the Frontier's fleet of 171s so Frontier actually has a share in its development.

>>15807380
>The VF-25 Messiah is one of the newest-generation variable fighters used by humanity in 2059. The VF-25 was independently developed by Shinsei Industry / Macross Frontier Arsenal Original Development / L.A.I. from the YF-24 prototype as the potential successor to the VF-171 Nightmare Plus, the current main variable fighter of the New U.N. Spacy.

>>15807529
Dumb anime girls. Don't they know thrust vectoring owns the skies?

>>15807529
>I against Macross style
AGAINST YOUR THOUGHT

>>15807586
I hope they didn't change that in the BR release. By far my favourite background bit in the show.

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Do you think a VF-32 would work in a show or movie?

Feels kinda generic to me. Never been fond of single engine jets though.

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>>15809237

VF-36 I find more plausible

>>15809237
This looks like it legitimately could be a Kawamori designed VF, very nice. The only thing I don't like about it is the gunpod, it looks way too bulky when it doesn't really need to be.
>>15809241
This one just looks like a VF-25 that's had too much burgers, and skipped wing day.
Seriously, extremely high aspect ratio wings, when VF's are supposed to be extremely high speed/highly manueverable, which is why they either have variable geometry wings, extremely swept back low aspect ratio wings, and/or forward swept wings.

>>15809290
The guy who drew that said the intended inspiration was the Super Hornet (VF-36 = 2x18) but that it came out too much like the SV-51

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>>15809241
I think that 32 design is actually pretty good. Strikes me as something that would suit a civilian type use, or private military use in a setting that isn't about cutting edge war fighters like SMS and Xaos

>>15809237
>>15809241
Isn't a VF-35 kind of a no brainer? 35th anniversary guys.

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VF27 is the best
3 vector nozzle
full 360 cockpit view
+ 2 extra engine
+line beam rifle

while VF29-31 still have only 2 vector nozzle
180 low tech cockpit view
no extra engine
and gun for shoot rats

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>>15809797
>talking shit about the 29's performance of all things
>talking shit about the 29's beam gunpod

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>>15809806
LOL
YF-29 is just poor attempt to copy superior aircraft from macross galaxy stuff

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>>15809813

I dunno man, plastic has never made a good airframe

>>15806258

> It was clearly meant to wrap up in like 2 or 3 eps of the events of 13

If it had then Hayate shooting down Keith would still have felt cheap and unsatisfying since he wasn't presented as being anywhere good enough to match Keith. The Windermerean's would have either felt under utilized or over powered too, since I very much doubt there'd be enough time in 3 episodes, one movie or whatever to explore their motives, give Heinz and Keith adequate characterization and wrap up their plot. Well, there is enough time to do it; I just have no faith the writers of Delta could do so I suppose.

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Any fun games that have a Macross feel on PC

>>15811590
I enjoyed Gunmetal with the Macross music pack replacing the default.

this should be in h/ section but those out there, it seems that Digital Accel Works had released a sequel for Mirage Attack for c92 for those that are interested. the title of it is "Mirage/Mirage"; would of posted the cover image but it would of been too inappropriate under m/ section

>>15800099
>as was originally intended before the series got extended for huge popularity
Source please. It was never explicitly stated that it was only suppose to be 1 cour. It just doesn't makes sense and would leave the Delta completely hanging and a ton stuff unresolved if it ended at episode 13.

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>>15809806

Frontiers designs are some of the worst in the franchise.

The 27 is ugly design (not as bad as the draken but close) and the 29 manages to make forward swept wings look terrible, and the 24/25 is just plain and forgettable

>>15811998
>The 27 is ugly design (not as bad as the draken but close)
Awful opinions.
>and the 24/25 is just plain and forgettable
Even awfuller opinions.

>>15811955
Movie was supposed to be the second part. If I remember correctly the information came from an interview with Kawamori.

>>15812053
It still wouldn't make sense to cut the story halfway for a tv series and continue the part as a movie. Though Delta's ending was rather lackluster it would be even worse if it ended at episode 13 since there would no resolution. Not to mention it would be far too short for a Macross series.

I'd like to see this interview of Kawamori stating this. They've been quite public for the past few years and this information rather skeptical. Then again I can try asking him myself tomorrow to confirm since he's in my country as guest in one of our Comicons.

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>>15812102
The first guy to mention it was repeating a very often repeated misconception based on a translation mistake.

The series was indeed conceived as a 13 episode series plus a movie, that is true. This was changed to a 26 episode series during the scripting of episode 4. Note very specifically that it was during the SCRIPTING of episode 4, not the airing - the scripting took place a year before the series even started airing. They changed plans very early in the process because they wanted to, not in reaction to anything and it wasn't a sudden change that compromised anything.

The source wasn't Kamamori, it was from the booklet that came with Volume 2 of the Blu-rays. Here's a picture I just took of it just to confirm.

>>15812131
Thanks for pointing that out. It's a good thing they decided to turn Delta into a 26 episode instead. Now the question is if the Delta movie will be a continuation of the series or a retelling?

>>15812264
Well, the trend for Macross movies has usually been to retell the story of the TV series with a some changes (aside from the Macross 7 movie, which opted to tell a new story).
I'd place my money on Delta being no different.

>>15811590
emulate VFX-2

>>15799947
>Is Delta any good?
Not as bad as people say but the second half has its flaws. It's frustrating how it repeats some of the mistakes Frontier made with the neural network and not having a real ending. Also the dialogue gets annoying with MUH WIND every second line. Music is great and it looks amazing, especially the scenery so I'd say it's worth checking out. It has the best Macross MC in my opinion.

>>15812676

> Hayate
> best

Why do you think he is out interest? I found him quite static and boring, especially past about episode 8 sí c he has a small bit of growth before then when he realizes he will have to kill; a point rather voided by the plot entirely relieving him of the need or desire to after that point. As a whole though he has little growth and few outstanding characteristics to make him notable, as opposed to Basara who is quite static, but is notably stubborn, flamboyant, introverted etc.

>>15812676

> Hayate
> best

Why do you think he is out interest? I found him quite static and boring, especially past about episode 8 sí c he has a small bit of growth before then when he realizes he will have to kill; a point rather voided by the plot entirely relieving him of the need or desire to after that point. As a whole though he has little growth and few outstanding characteristics to make him notable, as opposed to Basara who is quite static, but is notably stubborn, flamboyant, introverted etc.

>>15812741
Huh, that one I'm not quite familiar with.

Thanks for posting these.

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>>15812708
Max & Milia always gets military marriage discount on variable fighters

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>>15814101
>They even got VF-4 customs

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>>15814101
I fucking love the VF-14.

>>15814101
Thats what you get for being the top pilots and being of high rank with a lot of influence I guess.

The middle on the 4 and 14 looks so flimsy. It's always bugged me.

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Still slightly bummed out we never got to see any F-203's and Karyovin's duke it out in Zero.

>>15812729
Sweet, sweet Ghost Booster.

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>>15815254
>Harmony Gold actually did something stupid like that

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>>15814101

When does "Collector" become "Hoarder"?

>>15815923
Generally when your collection is too big for your available space, which given Max and Millia own a private airport, I'd probably never gonna be an issue.

>>15806367

That's episode 2. Based on existing public knowledge, which he represents, VF-25 was still considered in early beta stage with a lot of issues needing resolution.

The reality being that VF-25 was already in use within SMS, though in general the aircraft was really designed in skilled pilots in mind. By default, you basically need a really capable pilot to handle the craft. The VF-31 that's in Delta, on the other hand, is really more of a hand-holder than anything else. The vast majority of pilot skill is completely relegated to the onboard AI-like system.

Around Episode 13-14, when Quarter goes on its own, Alto has a duel with the main military's VF-25 against Ozma's VF-25 Armored. Alto gets his ass handed to him, but Ozma acknowledges Alto's skill as a pilot. There's also another takeaway in that final shot--in that, Alto's basically limited in the planes that are handed to the military due to the skill ceiling inherently placed on the planes. Which again goes back to the point that the VF-25 is really the type of aircraft that is designed for Aces in mind rather than a general purpose aircraft.

>>15807349

mfw Macross Frontier (TV + 2nd Movie) is basically SDF + DYRL updated to the modern era.

>>15817406
Yeah it's like a more modern Gundam SEED

>>15817433

That's probably why the bar with Frontier got set so god damn high, and why Delta failed to live up to its predecessor comparatively.

Its amusing to see who many people shit on Frontier, while failing to realize that it's literally SDF + DYRL with a modern paint job and better animation/mechas + cgi. Its got similar flaws, similar hooks, similar conflict and resolution goals.

Of course, Sheryl best girl. Hopes and Dreams.

>>15817443
>better animation
Better than SDF's low points, sure.

>>15817404

So any 25s showing up in Delta would have to have been part of Chaos otherwise they'd just be fumbling around and dying a lot?

>>15817805

Any 25s that showed up in Delta, would probably be manned by better pilots than majority of Delta. The extent of hand holding present in the VF-31s in Delta is obscene. Hayate should have been shot down by episode 3-4 of 26, and buried promptly in the following episode. His level of skill with reference to the plane he's flying is so god damn low, that any basic military grunt with a few months of air time, should have been able to splash him. ANY.

>>15806335
>so they could have had something like the VF-25 or some other unit as the fodder

Isn't the 31 only marginally better than the VF-25?

SMS was definitively better than Chaos in terms in combat ability

>>15817404
>dueling with Ozma
He dueled Ozma in a 171EX.
He lost largely because of the hardware difference, he managed to land hits but didn't take Ozma down.
If he was in a 25 it might have been a draw.

Iirc specs wise the 31 is pretty close to the 25 though the 25's packs give it an advantage in firepower and speed.

>>15817860

VF-31 die in droves in Delta
I don't ever remember seeing a mook VF-25 getting shot down, maybe once or twice

>>15817868

Right. Alto was ultimately held back by the 171EX's hardware, because it simply isn't as good as the VF-25 original, not to mention; the one he flew, is custom to him alone. The fact that he managed to land a hit at all on Ozma's plane, was worth the acknowledgement that Ozma gave him before Quarter folded out.

The 31's specs are higher than the 25, but most of that power is held back behind the AI-assist wall--which pretty much all pilots in Delta never manage to climb over. Its a great valkyrie, but is completely wasted on Chaos Squad--because not one faggot is capable of drawing out its abilities. Messer came close to climbing that 1% wall, but ultimately failed because lolspacevirus and lolsongmagic.

Delta is just a complete fucking mess all around. There were good ideas here and there, but they were never properly executed--which ended up creating problems that shouldn't have existed and then more time was spent solving them than solving the issues that mattered. Delta ended up becoming the stereotype of "finding solutions to problems that don't exist" instead of "finding resolutions to conflicts that do."

And let's not forget that faggot Hayate that handwaves space-virus effects because he suddenly didn't want to, and then with a snap of his fingers, completely gets over genocide and his issues with it just like that.

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>>15817843

Hayate did disable the AI assist and nearly died immediately. He did have expertise with similar control schemes in non-flying craft as shown in the first episode, and his manager said he was an exceptional worker, when he wasn't being a lazy shit. Once he learned how flying worked he became above average and had the flight assist removed.

Mirage however, probably never had the level of training or experience to become anything above "okay".

Messer was a good pilot, I think the assist was also removed on his plane, but seemed a bit narrow minded, focusing solely on the enemy ace in every engagement. And of course wasn't thinking clearly and overextended without backing out of his attack when the ghost bodyblocked

>>15817915

>All VF-31s have shields based on fold-crystal tech
>most of it is located in the nose area, due to the pilot being present there and due to that being the aperture origin for fold jumps
>Messer gets shot in the cockpit
>conveniently, the shield doesn't exist

Fuck all of Delta. I just hate it. Its such a garbage show, I did like Ikenai Borderline (remake) & Love Thunder Grow! though

>>15817944

I only noticed shields proccing when the arms were raised like it was a manual activation, or the barrier generators were on the forearms like with some of the older models.

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>>15817958

>shields were manual activation

I cannot attempt to rationalize this any further, I will have an aneurysm if I try.

>>15817964

I would assume energy consumption reasons, but the output of the powerplant is never really mentioned and with the majority of the weapons the 31 possesses seeming to be energy based and that no one has issues firing away as much as they want and recharging the shields multiple times, it's a bit doubtful.

When they're on the cat planet, Hayate has both arm shields completely drained and loses an arm but is able to proc the remaining arm shield again a few minutes later. They may be automatic but they still seem focused on the arm like with the 19, 21 and 25

>>15817944
The PPB might just be weaker in fighter mode than in battroid like in the 19 and 21/22.

The 31 just doesn't have an amazing show of its capabilities. Its effectively a heavily watered down 29/30 without the pilots drawing out its capabilities.

>>15818033

And there are no pilots in Delta who can. So its a waste of a plane.

>>15817404
>the VF-25 is really the type of aircraft that is designed for Aces in mind rather than a general purpose aircraft.

Pretty sure it's the exact opposite. It was specifically designed for ease of use, the thing which stopped the VF-19 from being rolled out as a mass production fighter.

>>15818428

The VF-19 was mass produced according to the Compendium, but was mostly either used by Earth or had it's capability somewhat restrained to make it easier to control.

>>15818428

>>15818455

This anon has it right. The VF-19A(or F?) made controlling the 19 much easier, the reason it wasn't used much outside of earth was due the UNG restricting its export even for monkey models and its massive cost

>>15805114
Probably because Harmony Golf has a license to use the old kite logo.

>>15800311
>tfw you'll never fight aliens in mecha
>tfw there won't be a tomboy warrior who loves you
>tfw you won't have passionate sex and hand holding with tomboy after battles

Why even live?

>>15818720
They don't have a license for it. They are trademark squatting it.

>>15818720
They don't own the license to the UN Space logo. Harmony Gold filed a trademark and the word "Macross" which was a fucking dick move.

I finally met Kawamori in the flesh yesterday. The madman is an absolute mecha nerd. He probably had the most people signing for autographs in that comicon. I hope he comes back in the near future.

>>15818820
Did you get any autographs?

>>15818806
It becomes even better when Harmony Gold sues any Battletech games for likeness.

>>15818848
It's almost hard to believe there's finally a light at the end of the tunnel for their bullshit.

>>15818702
F. The A was an unaltered copy of the prototype aside from slightly more powerful engines.

>>15818848
>ROBOTS? WITH LEGS? WE OWN THAT
How do we kill the Harmony Gold?

>>15818850
>>15818852
Hey man, if Harebrained Schemes actually gets a legal department and goes to court, it'll be an easy win. They just want people to settle.

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>>15818857
>expecting any backbone from any company affiliated with Battletech

>>15818859
Who knows, Harebrained gets a lot of kickstarter money. Maybe they'll kickstart their lawyer fees too.

I imagine anime studios are in a similar budget situation as a smaller game dev company though.

>>15818857
It was found out recently in a lawsuit HG filed against Tatsunoku that their "perpetual license to all things Macross forever" actually expires in 2021, and Big West are actively challenging their trademarks basically all around the world.

The time is coming. It's not soon but it's coming.

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>>15818872

One day

>>15818872

This is called divine retribution.

Harmony Shit are done. 2021 can't come fast enough. Since BW has already registered the Macross trademark in the EU, maybe we'll see some good things before the 2021 date.

>>15805114
In universe there are two theories.

1. After the small UN Spacy civil war (Macross VF-X2) between the Earth supremacist conspiracy Lactence and pro-NUN Vindirance over some frontier planets and Earth UN Spacy had to change its name and logo. There are still some Lactence loyalists out there like the Zentradi chapter Fasces and an old UN Spacy faction in civil war with local NUNS at the planet Cachew. (Macross the Ride). Before Macross VF-X2 the centralized new UN government decentralized as it is becoming too distant from Earth to manage and the constant Anti-UN wannabee insurrections, thus the decentralized New UN Government. Earth supremacists whether Terran, Zentradi or funny enough Zolan didn't like it. Some Zentradi see Earth as the next Stellar Republic.

2. Another theory is a that after Space War 1 they are always New UN Spacy but Earth and some fleets are slow in adopting the new logo. Ozma was using a VF-171 in 2048. But I'm not sure if the logo was shown.

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>>15818864
>Who knows, Harebrained gets a lot of kickstarter money.

Dude, they only got $2.7 million.
Lawyer fees can easily eat up that much in a year.

>>15818931
Didn't they change to NUNs simply because of the inclusion of the Zentradi into the military, what with merging their and Zentradi symbols into one.

>>15818702
It was a lot of bureaucratic bullshit keeping the 19 in general from being widely used, keeping everyone else apart from a select few on the 171.
As such the colonies had to resort to their own projects to keep their fleet of VFs up to date, eventually developing the YF-24 family of VFs.
For Macross 7 they apparently developed a VF based off the 19s they had for use as their grunt unit after the events of 7

>>15818872
>It was found out recently in a lawsuit HG filed against Tatsunoku that their "perpetual license to all things Macross forever" actually expires in 2021
From what I recall its the other way around Tatsunoko that filed the lawsuit against HG. I guess they're pretty much fed up with HG's IP sitting antics.

>>15819484
From my basic understanding, that went to arbitration and the judgement came down on HG's side. Tatsunoko didn't honour the judgement so HG sued to have it enforced, and won.

>>15819494
Do you have any source or link of this case? Not that I don't believe you but I want to read more of it see the whole picture. I can't seem to find it through google.

>>15819423
Good point. In Macross Plus though in the anniversary celebration showed different uniforms for Terrans and Zentradi counterparts. Seems to indicate different services. Remember UN Forces isn't just made up of UN Spacy but UN Air Force, UN Navy and UN Marines.

>>15818857
It doesn't matter how "easy" it is to win. Even the most simplest copyright cases would cost you several hundreds of thousand dollars.

>>15818872
>>15818899
>believing that 2021 will change anything
>believing that Tatsunoko won't renew license to HG like they already did in 2011.
What are Tatsunoko going to do with that license after 2021? Sell it to Big West? Tatsunoko probably hates Big West even more than HG.

I already gave up and don't have any hope to see Macross in the west.

>>15820478
>I already gave up and don't have any hope to see Macross in the west.

BW registering the Macross name in the EU and Southeast Asia is not insignificant. As is not insignificant the fact that Harmony Shit has lost every time they tried to block BW from registering Macross in sevral countries in the last couple of years. Now the situation may be more complicated in the US of A (and if so my condolences) but the probability of watching and buying localised Macross merchandise without paying the American mobster company is becoming more real by the day in a lot of countries. I have hope and things are definitely changing.

>>15820487
I heard they registered Macross Delta's name in Southeast Asia and Europe.

>>15820487
They registered it some time ago as response to HG registering Macross trademark in US and some of EU countries.

But the fact is that HG already renewed license in 2011 and BW didn't do anything about it. Back then BW/Bandai were still riding on the success of Frontier and its movies.
Why would anything change in 2021?

>>15820487
>BW registering the Macross name in the EU and Southeast Asia is not insignificant.
I read about this and its definitely good news especially those living in those regions like me. SDF Macross aired in my country back in 1985 dubbed in English. It's not Roboshit btw which aired a few years later.

>>15820502
But the fact is that HG already renewed license in 2011 and BW didn't do anything about it
Just because they didn't anything about it back then doesn't mean they have no plans to attempt to bring Macross outside of Japan. Just to let you know there are official English subtitles of Frontier and Delta.

Why would anything change in 2021?
Because the times have changed. Harmony Gold is obviously not in good terms with Tatsunoko right now and their desperate to grab as much money as possible and get their movie in production before their license expires in less than 4 years.

>>15820533
>Harmony Gold is obviously not in good terms with Tatsunoko right now
Big West is probably not in good terms with Tatsunoko as well.

I'm glad that majority of recent Sony movies flopped. It significantly lowers the chance they will try to make the Robotech movie. Because if movie goes into production Sony will be able to offer shitton of money for Tatsunoko's license.

>>15820571

I thought the main thing right now was that Tatsunoko doesn't legally have a license

>>15820578
>Tatsunoko doesn't legally have a license
Huh?
It's exactly as was already stated in the thread. Tatsunoko owns license and sold it to HG until 2021. If HG doesn't renew license in 2021 they lose all rights to Macross.

>>15820578
>I thought the main thing right now was that Tatsunoko doesn't legally have a license

Tatsunoko has the international rights to SDF Macross because BW gave it to them as a way of paying Tatsunoko for the work they did in Macross in 1982. Now how the hell this means that Hamony Shit thinks it owns (by way of licensing SDF Macross from Tatsunoko) the entirety of the Macross franchise (tv shows, ovas, films) which in 1982 didn't even exist beyond SDF is anyone's guess. So yeah, give a little push and Harmony Shit crumbles because it never had any right to anything beyond SDF Macross, and the toys licensing of DYRL. And BW is doing just that, little by little it's pushing back against the American backstabbers, and Harmony Shit is losing. Everyone thought they had an iron grip on the Macross trademark around the world. But guess what ? Nope, it just took for the Japanese to move their asses and poor Harmony Shit lost its battle to maintain the trademark in Europe and Southeast Asia.

>>15820571
>Big West is probably not in good terms with Tatsunoko as well.
That maybe true. But if I recall Tatsunoko doesn't have any copyright beyond distribution of SDF Macross. If their higher ups want to make any money out of it they should play smart and suck it up. It's better to deal with BW and Studio Nue than a rundown shit company like Harmony Gold.

So just for clarification.
It's not just international distribution, Tatsunoko has full copyright for the SDF except for designs. Here's the court ruling: http://www.courts.go.jp/app/files/hanrei_jp/846/010846_hanrei.pdf
Here's its summary: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2004-02-23/tatsunoko-wins-macross-lawsuit
>Tatsunoko Pro has won the latest round in the ongoing Macross lawsuits. Presiding Supreme Court Judge, Hiroshi Fukuda, has dismissed Studio Nue's appeal, recognizing and cementing the ruling that Tatsunoko Pro owns the copyright for Super Dimensional Fortress Macross.
Here's another court ruling (in english). It's unrelated (it's about trademark usage), but it mentions previous ruling that Tatsunoko owns SDF copyright, while BW owns designs: http://www.ip.courts.go.jp/app/files/hanrei_en/817/001817.pdf
>In the preceding civil actions between Kabushiki Kaisha Tatsunoko Production (the appellant) and BIGWEST, INC. (the appellee) and Kabushiki Kaisha P (non-party), it has become final and binding that the copyright for the TV Animation (provided, however, that the moral rights of author shall be excluded) is held by Kabushiki Kaisha Tatsunoko Production
Even in Japan Tatsunoko gets all the money from streaming SDF and sends DMCAs if someone uploads SDF videos (e.g. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22974185)

>>15820641
>Tatsunoko doesn't have any copyright beyond distribution of SDF Macross
That's why there is no point for them to make a deal with Big West. BW doesn't care about SDF, they want to sell Frontier, Delta, Macross 2018 and their toys. And Tatsunoko won't get a penny from those sales because they don't own Frontier, Delta and Macros 2018.
On the other hand HG/Sony wants to make a movie based on SDF. And Tatsunoko may get some small cut from movie sales if they change license conditions in 2021.

Also Studio Nue doesn't exist anymore, stop mentioning it.

>>15820740
>BW doesn't care about SDF
Where's your proof of this? They've been selling BDs of the tv series and DYRL for the past several years already. They maybe distributed in Japan but they to say that they don't care about SDF and only want to promote the newer Macross series is unwarranted.

>Also Studio Nue doesn't exist anymore, stop mentioning it.
Please stop talking out of your ass. They still exist.

>>15820770
I'll rephrase it.
BW can't make much money from international SDF license. It's very old anime, everyone who wanted to buy SDF DVD/BD sets already bought them. It's already being streamed on Amazon and it probably won't re-acquire license if BW gets it.
On the other hand simply licensing M7, Frontier and Delta to Netflix, Amazon or Crunchyroll will instantly make them shitton of money.

>They still exist.
The studio is like 5 people working basically as free agents. They are never mentioned in court cases which means most likely they sold their Macross rights ages ago.

>>15820809
>The studio is like 5 people working basically as free agents
>They are never mentioned in court cases which means most likely they sold their Macross rights ages ago.
Right. You expect us to believe that because you said so? And just because their staff is not not mentioned in court cases doesn't mean they sold their rights. Maybe your claims would have some credibility if you provide some actual proof of it. Else you're just talking out of your ass.

>>15820840
Actually nevermind, I just re-read court ruling I posted in >>15820740 and they do mention Studio Nue. It even gets 12% of SDF anime sales.

Also correction to my post
>Even in Japan Tatsunoko gets all the money
Tatsunoko gets 40-60% of Japan sales depending if it's anime, print work or music.

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So there's supposed to be a new Macross next year? Seems a bit early for another one.

>>15823926
That, and a Delta movie.
Satelight sure is going to be busy.

>>15799947
>>15799966
Why is the VF-0D so sexy

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>>15823931
Is there just going to be nonstop Macross from here on, like with Gundam?

>>15823948
No one knows why, just that it is

>>15823926
It's actually slightly late - 2017 is the 35th anniversary of Macross and they make a new animated for every anniversary. The Delta movie and new series are the project for the 35th, just coming out a year late.

Delta is actually the one that was off schedule and got made sooner due to the 30th anniversary being the first one to not get a new animation.

>>15823926
They didn't specifically state it would be a new tv series. It's just too soon to come up with a new one. I have a feeling its just going to be a Delta music special much like they did with Frontier.

>>15823997
>Delta is actually the one that was off schedule and got made sooner due to the 30th anniversary being the first one to not get a new animation.
Yeah. I remember they were planning to produce a new tv series by 2012. But Sayonara no Tsubasa was released in 2011 so it got pushed much later. We got the Macross 30 on the PS3 game instead for the 30th anniversary.

>>15823970
>Is there just going to be nonstop Macross from here on, like with Gundam?
I don't think Big West has the finances to do that unlike Bandai.

>>15824010
The announcement actually did say the 2018 animation is a tv series

>>15824026
I read that article and I don't think that announcement was accurate. I recently attended Kawamori's workshop when he was a guest in a comicon in my country last weekend. His next upcoming project is not Macross.

http://teamgensokyo.tumblr.com/post/164753353491/event-report-apcc-shoji-kawamoris-workshop-the

>>15824036
Thing is, remember that Kawamori didn't personally direct the Frontier or Delta tv series - he will likely be doing The Next himself while having his usually manager/oversight position on the new Macross

There were multiple reports from the Delta event that said 2018 was a tv anime, not just one article

>>15824101
I hope we'll see a brand new VF in 2018.

>>15824101
>Thing is, remember that Kawamori didn't personally direct the Frontier or Delta tv series
What are you talking about? He was one of the directors for Frontier, the other being Yasuhito Kikuchi. Kawamori was also the chief director for Delta.

Anyway, I know what you're trying to say but until we get more information it seems very unlikely there will be a new Macross tv series by 2018. "The Next" will be announced this October and likely be aired next year. I honestly don't think Kawamori is simply going to let his other directors in Studio Satelite to supervise his brainchild show.

>>15824036
The announcement was made on Walkure's second concert.

>>15824209
I know it was announced during that event. But it wasn't confirmed yet that it would be a brand new tv series. Macross Delta just finished airing a year ago and they haven't fully promoted it and sold enough merchandise. Not to mention there's an upcoming movie of it which will like take at least 2 years to produce.

>>15824271

They said, at the event, that it was a tv series

>>15824307
it does seem pretty odd that they'd make a new TV series only a year after Delta.

>>15824307
Are you absolutely sure it's a new tv series and not a tv special? Because there might be a misconception and might be mistaken as a special.

>>15824334
mistaken as a tv series I mean

>>15823948

Dual ramjets intakes. Vertical winglets, swept tail fins, and adjustible tips. All the while having the same nose cone configuration as seen in the later VF-25.

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>>15824496
The nosecone configuration isn't the same as the VF-25.

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Macross II is the only good Macross outside of the Originals.

>>15824633
No.

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>>15824638

>>15824633

>Macross but with Windies classic edition

No, no no no, no, no no. No!

>>15824633

At least it's not Robotech

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>>15809813
>>YF-29 is just poor attempt to copy superior aircraft from macross galaxy stuff

Actually it is the other way around. The YF-27-5 Sharer Female only had two engines that were less powerful than the VF-25 and was modeled after the YF-24 airframe. In Macross the Ride LAI leaked design specs of the YF-29 to Macross Galaxy. Which is why the VF-27 has four engines.

>>15824652
The Shaher Femail is so cool looking.

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There's a big concert in 2 weeks, most likely we will get more information/announcements there.

Also reposting my obvservations from 2 months ago:
>Delta auditions were announced in October 2014, 1st episode was broadcasted in April 2016. 18 months.
>Frontier auditions were announced in January 2007, 1st episode was broadcasted in April 2008. 15 months.
>Satelight promised that the next Macross TV will be released in 2018. The last season of 2018 (Fall) starts in October. 13 months from now.
>If we don't get an audition announcement really soon there is very little chance to have Macross TV in 2018. Or alternatively Victor Entertainment will use their existing young talents because it seems open auditions do not work. Nakajima and Minori both failed as idols/singers. May'n and JUNNA are still successful.

>>15825563
You're forgetting that the pilot episode for Frontier and Delta were aired in December in 2007 and 2015 respectively. If it's indeed a new series it might be a direct sequel to Delta (something completely unheard of in Macross) or a story related and within its time frame. Personally the gap from Delta is just too short to come up with a completely new story and cast.

>Nakajima and Minori both failed as idols/singers.
Are you fucking kidding? Nakajima was already a singer before she got her role as Ranka. And she didn't fail as singer as she did some new songs even after Frontier. She decided to put her singing on hiatus and focus on voice acting. But now she's back to continue her career.

As for Minori, she only began her singing career when she was cast for Delta. And by no means has she failed either as she's and JUNNA are the top performers in their concerts.

>>15825784
>You're forgetting that the pilot episode for Frontier and Delta were aired in December in 2007 and 2015 respectively.
Again it took the same time from audition to pilot episode to first episode airing. It just shows that production process was very similar in Frontier and Delta. Most likely future Macross TV will follow this process too. And if they are planning to have auditions for the main cast they are way behind schedule.

>Nakajima was already a singer before she got her role as Ranka.
She wasn't _professional_ singer (unlike May'n).

>she did some new songs even after Frontier. She decided to put her singing on hiatus and focus on voice acting.
That's really not much and they all are secondary roles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megumi_Nakajima#Filmography
Besides 2 of them is Kawamori taking pity on her and giving her role in Basquash and Evol.

>>15825870
>And if they are planning to have auditions for the main cast they are way behind schedule.
We don't even know yet if this new series is a completely new story and cast. Judging how short the timeframe from Delta it there's a high chance that it isn't.

>She wasn't _professional_ singer (unlike May'n)
Point is Nakajima already started in the music industry. May'n however was already singing for a few years but wasn't all that popular until her big break as Sheryl Nome's singing voice for Frontier. Nakajima became pretty popular and propelled her singing career due to her role as Ranka.

>That's really not much and they all are secondary roles
>Besides 2 of them is Kawamori taking pity on her and giving her role in Basquash and Evol
Implying that playing secondary roles make one a failure in the VA industry. And please stop with the petty excuse in her roles in Basquatch and Aquarion as "out of pity". Nakajima has talent but isn't as developed compared to those purely into voice acting. She also played the main character in HappinessCharge PreCure which was not produced Kawamori.

>>15825997
>We don't even know yet if this new series is a completely new story and cast. Judging how short the timeframe from Delta it there's a high chance that it isn't.
Direct TV sequel in Macross?
Nah, zero chance.
Kawamori is probably already looking for new hot young girls he can lust over.

>>15824633
2 is such garbage.

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>>15817944
>>15817964
When have you ever seen pinpoint barriers being used in fighter mode? I've only ever seen it in battroid and gerwalk. As far as I know they're not usable in fighter.

>>15826016
>Direct TV sequel in Macross? Nah, zero chance.
There's always a first time, anon.

>Kawamori is probably already looking for new hot young girls he can lust over.
Nope. He's currently working on his upcoming project "The Next".

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>>15826140
>He's currently working on his upcoming project "The Next".
>implying it won't have young girls he can lust over

I don't think there's a /m/ series I wanted to like more than Macross. Mecha that transform into aerospace fighters are a fetish of mine. I just can't get into the whole literal "power of music" concept.

>>15826213
Just
Listen
To
His
Song

>>15826213
Just stick to SDF, DYRL and Plus then. The "power of music" thing doesn't get taken to absurd literal levels until 7 and onwards.

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>>15826213
If you can suspend your sense of disbelief over the physical impossibility of fighter jets being able to transform into bipedal war machines in half a second at speeds of a couple hundred miles per hour, you can do the same for the concept of aliens being susceptible to catchy pop songs.

>>15826213
>Mecha that transform into aerospace fighters are a fetish of mine
It's the other way around actually for Macross. The main form of the VFs is the fighter mode.

>I just can't get into the whole literal "power of music" concept.
Well that's something you'll have to accept with Macross especially with 7 where it was the most blatantly used. The previous series before it and Zero weren't as focused on the power of song and music as it is now.

>>15826249
>The "power of music" thing doesn't get taken to absurd literal levels
>Plus

Do you ever listen to yourself?
Plus has the Idol making people fall asleep, getting full control over their actions, creating hallucinations purely through her singing.

>>15826350
It makes sense in context. We're talking about a super-advanced AI designed specifically to manipulate people's emotions and basically hypnotise them to drive record sales, that then gets a military-grade biological processor plugged into it, and that its creators then make the huge mistake of plugging into the SDF-1, and by extension EVERYTHING on earth.

Also pretty sure those were holograms, not hallucinations.

>>15826546
Yeah, it's not super hard science, but it's a hell of a lot more plausible and grounded than the beauty of musical laser beams.

>>15826765
I imagine people must have been all "lol wtf is this shit" back in 1994, yet here we are in 2017 and Hatsune Miku concerts featuring a holographic Miku sell out venues.

>>15826856
William Gibson did publish Aidoru 2 years after Macross Plus.

>>15826546
>We're talking about a super-advanced AI designed specifically to manipulate people's emotions and basically hypnotise them to drive record sales

First things first, no. It was her music and music alone.
If (N)UN Spacy had the power to mind control people at will, they would have sure as fuck used it by now.
Secondly, the stuff that happened in YF-19's cockpit wasn't any holograms. The plane has none inside and the scientist sees stuff that the pilot can not.

Lastly, you don't even know what hypnosis is or how it works. The stuff presented in Plus is just pure singing magic (singing science in-universe, which is what the entire franchise builds upon and you can't accept).

>>15826883
I know he used to spend a lot of time in Japan when he was younger, so I've always wondered if he stole that idea from Plus.

>>15825784
>As for Minori, she only began her singing career when she was cast for Delta.
Speaking of Minori.
http://imas-cg.net/2017/08/31/51983464.html#comments
She just became IM@S.
Here's the girl she will be voicing - http://www.project-imas.com/wiki/Hajime_Fujiwara

>>15827621
Oh fuck off you autist.

>The AI works out how to mind control people, not the UN - you know, on account of being a fully-functional AI learning and thinking at a pace far beyond the human mind
>All the computers in the series appear to be capable of holographic projection, there's no reason given to assume the YF-19 wouldn't have this technology
>Even if it didn't they could have been coming from anywhere including the SDF-1
>"Hurrdurr you don't know how hypnosis works" - don't pretend you do either.

>>15827910
You're reaching. Plus has just as much "magic" as any other Macross show.
You specifically pamper it up because you like it and/or dislike the rest.

>>15824531

Shape would have been a better word choice. The aesthetic is similar.

>>15827631
It could just be a case of convergent evolution. I know a lot of authors take decades to plan and write books.

>>15801860
>Zero
I mean, isnt it kind of understandable for it to not have that much music compared to everything else after SDF? I gave it a pass since it was prequel to SDF and the context

>>15827925
No it fucking doesn't. 7 has people flying VFs with electric guitars and bringing people back from the dead with the power of song. and I LIKE that series, so there goes your line argument.

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Macross II has
>best music
>best VF
>best artwork
>best girl

>>15828226
>bringing people back from the dead with the power of song

Except when they don't. The songs only ever recovered people who basically gave up on life, they weren't dead.

You can easily explain all of it in the same way you do with Plus.

>Flying with electronic guitars.
And commenting on just how extremely hard it is, telling Basara to knock it off and just let them change the cockpit controls back to joysticks and pedals.

I also love both, that's why I'm going to fight you for as long as you keep doing this. Plus is very well versed in the idea of using the music as an active element. They specifically made it around the notion that the enemy side could use the music against the humanity just as humanity does against them all the time.

>>15799947
>Is Delta any good?
Best entry in the franchise.

>>15828226
Flying with the guitar is actually something pretty normal if you think about it

Its like playing monster hunter with a guitar hero controller, completely doable if you know where you mapped your controls.
The ridiculous part is where Basara flies a VF with conventional controls while playing a real guitar

>>15831544
FOTAS

>>15831538

> Plus is very well versed in the idea of using the music as an active element. They specifically made it around the notion that the enemy side could use the music against the humanity just as humanity does against them all the time.

That's II, not Plus. There's not even an enemy of humanity in Plus.

>>15831588
>That's II, not Plus.

That's Plus as well. I've never even seen Macross II and I fully expect Kawamori and co haven't either.

She literally needs to be killed because she mind-controls the entire Macross City with her songs.

>>15831538
This is the first thread in /m/ I've ever posted in you archsperg. Go fight your war against some imaginary persecutor elsewhere.

Everything related to music in Plus is logically consistent and somewhat plausible based on the technology level presented. 7, Frontier and Delta jumped the shark and made it into a magic power. Deal with it.

>>15831588
Someone has been brainwashed by Sharon Apple, I see.

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>>15832218

It was always a magical power, it just wasn't fully understood

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>all this autism about muh music magic vs tech
There is no direct continuity in Macross beyond certain elements and large scale historical events.

>>15832328
Do you think Gamlin's a good cook?

Does anyone else just love the franchise regardless of its flaws? I finally found a series I love and the discussion is just hostile

>>15832452
That's just /m/ in general.

>>15832456
That's a shame. I hate the whole being hostile is cool thing this site has

Anons what's your favourite series of Macross? For me it's an equal tie between zero, plus and sdf

>>15832462
It's gotten really bad recently. There's still the occasional good discussion, but you have to pick through a lot of shit to find it.

For what it's worth, I also like basically all of the franchise, though some of those flaws are certainly sizable.

>>15832496
My favorites have to be Plus and 7.

>>15832496
Tie between Frontier and 7.

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>>15832408

All of it happened

>>15832496
Delta first half and Frontier movies share the top spot for me.

>>15831606

Controlling a city doesn't make you an enemy of humanity considering humanity has already spread across multiple planets in numerous star systems at that point. She was an enemy, not an enemy of humanity. Sharon didn't use music because she knew it's effect through observation of history, she used it because it was her only real weapon and means.

>>15800422
It is my favorite Macross apart from 7 itself (yes, unironically - i like the world and characters enough to watch 50 episodes of what is pretty much a slice of life about them).

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>>15800422
Agreed.

>>15835236

Anyone who says 7 is bad is a faggot, it's just obscenely long with weird pacing

Fuck you, /m/, I'm starting to like 7.
I still dislike Basara. He's quite annoying and I was near to turn it off again. But I endured.
I don't like what they did with Miria. If I could change anything in the anime it would be that. She was awesome in Macross, now she's a bitter old lady that made a fool out of herself when she piloted and Gamlin had to save her ass.
And Max is great. He's still genius.

The most off-putting thing are the pilots in general. Max is old and the main authority, so he's mostly in the bridge. Gamlin is competent enough, but although I respect him as a character he doesn't seem to be an ace. They say that Basara is a great pilot, but that fighters he and the other Fire Bomber members pilot seem to be the guitar hero equivalent of a real guitar, all with nice, colorful buttons that do everything for you.

>>15832452
I loved the franchise up to Zero. Frontier I could maybe tolerate. But Delta was shit. If it keeps going the same direction, and by all means it seems it will, then I'm done with it. But I still hope Kawamori pulls out another short, heart-felt sequel like Plus at least once more.

>>15832496
SDF > AOI > Plus (both versions) > 7 > Zero > II > Frontier > Delta

>>15836874
All of Basara's character development is in his lyrics, so you really do have to listen to his song. I didn't like him at first, either.
Everything looks super macroed because they're running the stock footage OS. Occasionally they put more budget into the animation (especially in the OVA and "theatrical episode") and their skill is more apparent.

>>15837438
Like Minmay, then.
The thing is, they kept Minmay in doses in the original series. There were many chapters when you would only see her a few minutes, if even. Basara is there the whole fucking time. If the original Macross' main character were Minmay I'd surely hate it as well.
I don't know, I'm watching 7 as Macross' ZZ equivalent. Retarded characters that act the whole time in a single note, I guess they'll evolve eventually. The anime gets better when they land in the planet Lux. I'm somewhere around that time right now.
Another thing I don't like is when they try to explain too much into the "power of the song" bullshit. In the original series the whole Minmay gimmick functioned because they didn't give it much thought, music was something unknown to the aliens, it shocked them, that was it. Now they come with the bullshit spiritia thing and the speakers that turn music into fucking ki, it's ridiculous.

I do like Mylene though. I remembered her as a typical self-centered, childish tsundere, but she's actually quite nice, despite being a bit of a nagger every now and then. And considering she most likely grew up in a broken home, unlike most of her sisters, and her mother is a control freak, I guess she's quite ok.

>>15838038
Macross 7 isn't about Basara.

Its about the people around him.

>>15838074
We learn absolutely nothing about Basara. He remained as an enigma.

>>15799947

Not new, but maybe unknown to most.

https://youtu.be/CIErCl1wTDo

>>15832496
Delta

>>15800443
Think volume, not length only. Also, it might have been output power, carrying capacity or any other variable
>/C
or Cheap.

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>>15804971
>best
Pic related or production version of Durandal Command Type/Ozma's. It really depend on context of the mission really- for heavy fire support nothing really beat Koenig Monster after all.
Supernova planes are great but without fold quartz hacks, they can't really compete. YF-29 is a mess, VF-29 is a clusterfuck of awesome performance and VF-31 are budget birds. Chronos wins by virtue of being pinnacle of, well, Evolution project.

>>15843299

I guess that could be, but it's hard to think volume when the only dimension you're given is length.

Cheap also makes sense as it can't properly dock with the colony ship, so it's not the original ship Macross type on Ragna, and Chaos is a civilian contractor and has shown money to be tight at times.

>>15805367
They are cheap in comparison to specialized valks like Vf-19/21. VF-25 was marketed as a new main battle valkirie but for most colony worlds, it is still too expensive. And VF-31 is new replacement for all those 171, being relatively cheap, simplified modern plane with greatly improved performance but much cheaper. Also, much room for improvement, while Nightmares Plus reached its performance pinnacle back in Frontier already.
Also, whole 'too much of hero unit' argument.
>>15806149
It is. Slow to start and you will need to suspense some of your, well, common sense together with disbelief but when compared with, say, Frontier, it doesn't feel as ridiculus as before. It is, however, a show made on rather tight budget. It kinda shows.

>>15806335
Again, VF-31 is a budget bird. You want performance at aroud Delta, you get yourself Evolution derative or ugraded VF-19/21.
>171EX Fold quartz is of limited supply at the end of Frontier. Later, they develop Kairos, which is a better offering than EX addon.
>>15807386
It is important to point out that YF-24 was original prototype and testbed for new technologies, which plans, thou somewhat censored, were sent to colonization fleets. From this, 25/27/29 were developed, as well as later valks, as well as EX upgrade package. The VF-1's in Delta are another example, as they are classic airframes made with all modern technology advancements.
>>15809237
There was somewhat heated discussion during Delta on how to design a truly one engined Valkirie. Sturmvogel was one way to solve inherent problem of not installing engines in legs, this is a good visual aid on how engine folds into a backpack of sorts.
>>15809241
That's bastardized SV-51. I prefer my Oryol, thank you. Head is nice thou. Very armoredcorish.

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>>15809309
It's the GEARwalk transformation. He should have gone for U-2 look with those slim and long wings.
>>15809397
Single engine light fighters are IRL usually a cheaper, more simple option. Compare F-22 to F-35.
>>15809797
27 with four engines has barely higher performance than base VF-25. VF-25 is fielded with mission specific FASTpack, which levels the field. Then, Durandal steamrolls anything that survived so far.
>no extra engine
See >>15809806
>>15811998
Not ugly exactly, overengineered. It is supposed to continue YF-21/Zentradi Valk looks. And The Ride variant is beautiful.
>>15813392
Reactive armor for VF-1, as seen in Zero.
>>15817876
Final battle of Frontier. Before that, not really, NUNS managed fireworks mostly.
But then, Alto trashed his bird, Klan Michel's, Ozma damage his twice. VF-25 might no die in droves but sure get harmed a lot.
>>15817893
>The 31's specs are higher than the 25
Budget. In universe budget.
25 is customized via external addons, mostly FASTpacks, thou that one propeller kit is glorious, while 31 does it via specialized variants. Kairos is a basic valkirie, designed to replace 171, various Valkure variants are mostly air superiority/support. It is a modular design, is cheaper to produce and is easy to use, with frontier pilots in mind. I did inherit all good genes of previous generations thou, as seen when automatic support was turned off.
>>15817944
Shield is fully powered in Batroid mode, flight mode eats it's power to reinforce whole airframe against G forces. So, shields are internal.
>>15818820
I am jealous.
My dream is to build lego valks with him,

>>15824531
Every time I see all those little details meant to enhance aerodynamics of a valkirie, I am reminded that other series are content with flying brick.
I mean, okay, thrust is an answer but come on.

>>15827621
>YF-19's cockpit wasn't any holograms
> The plane has none inside
It actually does, full 360 degrees holographic cockpit, COFFIN style for nontransparent parts.

>>15832452
Yes.

Have you tried Symphogear? It is kind of bastard cousin of Macross.

>>15832408
You mean, 'it is all in universe entertaiment'?

>>15843446

Where is that said? I thought the VF-27 was the first coffin style cockpit with holographic instruments and so on in the franchise.

>>15843446
The YF-19 doesn't have holographic anything, it just has videoscreens on the floor that project a feed from the sensors on the side of the nose.

>>15843613

it seems to have some holographic capabilities if not how did sharon pop out of the canopy, there was data displayed on it before she popped out of it in the rear seat

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>>15843676
They look like normal MFD's to me. Anyways, Sharon was projecting her image everywhere, it could have just been an effect of her audio hypnosis.

>>15843613
>>15843676
>>15843724
Whole cockpit hull seems to be filled with holo projection. Noticable when Sharon materialized twice, firs t as 2d projection, then as full 3d model.
VF-25 is using EXgear and lasers to project same image and functionality onto pilots eyes directly.
That cockpit was one of main features of YF-19 during Supernova, while Omega One's direct interface was another way for achieving superior situational awareness
>normal MFD
Purple screen is indeed, window below is a projection on opaque hull.

>>15844477
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/yf-19.htm.
>"Rather than reinvent a control system for variable fighter craft, Shinsei opted to use a conventional control cockpit with an innovative wrap-around imaging monitor system."
>"This new imaging system covered opaque sections of the cockpit interior, recreating a perfect window-like view of the surrounding environment and granting the pilot superior situational awareness."
Says nothing about holograms.

>>15844489
But confirms that imaging system is present. This plus scenes where Sharon takes over Yang and later hyptotizes Isamu, her imaging is created from that system images.

>>15844542
The imaging system is just Macross' version of the panoramic cockpit, which turns the cockpit wall into 2D displays. It doesn't have the ability to produce 3D holograms.

There's literally no reason to replace an EX-Gear system with a traditional ejection seat, Isamu. You're just being a grognard.

>>15844663

They were presumably trying to make Isamu's actions come off as romantic, love towards the art of flying and the YF-19, which changing the VF-25 externally to resemble the YF-25 does suggest but ditching the EX-Gear is not romantic in that sense, it's just plain stupid since as you say it has no downsides and doesn't negatively impact the pilot in any way that we know of. Ironically if Guld's YF-21 he may have lived since putting aside the inertia dampening system it links too, EX-Gear allows remote control of a plane, so Guld could have ejected and remotely controlled his VF-21 to kill the drone. Ditching the EX-Gear comes off less as romantic and more as arrogant and stupid. Which is Isamu really, but doesn't make him immune to criticism.

I want to watch 7 but hear there's a lot of dumb filler shit and poor pacing. Is there a guide or recommended episodes to avoid all this?

>>15846658
Just watch an episode a day.

>>15846677
This. It's not especially marathon friendly and if you try and pound it out it will feel very samey and you'll be wondering when something different is meant to happen.

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>>15844637
>>15844542
>>15844489
>>15844477
Here you can see the HUD elements projected over objects in the cockpit, I'm trying to find some more evidence one way or another.

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>>15847022
And here Sharon appears in 2D and then pulls off the glass into 3D.

>>15847094
Sharon was a magic Hatsune Miku. Might've been a hallucination.