Gundam 00 Appreciation Thread

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That was easy.

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>>15794617
>>15794622
>This is what Oldtypes actually believe.

>>15794617
>>15794622
>>15794627
>IBO
>Better than anything
Hahahahaha good joke anon.

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>>15794634
>>15794653
Stop being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

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>>15794546
Pic related.

However, as far as AUs with a serious tone go, 00 is definitely the best.

>>15794658
No. I unironically dislike IBO. I thought it was boring and I didn't care about the characters or plot.

>>15794546
A word of advice. If you want to make a thread to appreciate a series, and have it stay on track, don't call-out its contemporary shows.

>>15794670
G Gundam is a different tier, but definitely up there.

IBO is meh at best.

>>15794658
Listen faggot, ANN posted a positive article about it once, so now all of /m/ is REQUIRED to hate it. You're not allowed to have your own opinions, newfag.

>>15794725
>You're not allowed to have your own opinions, newfag.
That's literally what he's telling people who don't like IBO

>>15794627
>>15794622
>>15794617
Why don't you faggots post actual animation instead of this Instagram still frame shit? Are you Afraid it's not going to look good

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>>15794739

>>15794546
One of my favorite things is how well 00 has held up animationwise. It's visually gorgeous and one of the last /m/ shows before the over-abundance of CG animation.

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>>15794763
forgot muh webm

>>15794750
Why the fuck is the battle so hard? All he had to do was cut the tail wire and its defenseless. Its even standing still here.

>>15794763
Pretty sure that's still CG, it's just done quite well.

I suspect that 00 had a better budget, speaking in relative terms at least, than IBO and it probably had a more competent set of people behind the production. You can spend a lot of money on stuff and still have it turn out to be shit; you need a clear vision for your final product to invest your resources successfully.

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>>15794770
Shit direction, strict budget, and complex designs. It was easier to animate the wired funnel than animating the entire mobile armor.

>>15794763
>>15794767
>"This makes me a mass murderer"
I like that Celestial Being was self aware of their actions

>>15794617
If there's only one thing there is good at IBO, it's the mecha designs. Heck, majority of my whole collection is composed of IBO kits.

Story and animation is shit-tier tho.

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Anno Domini > Future Century > Cosmic Era > After War > Post Disaster > Advanced Generation > After Colony

This is taking into consideration that Correct/Regild Century are parts of the UC timeline. Cosmic Era's above the others mostly for its world-building aspects and the Astray mangas.

>>15794782
Fuck you for reminding me we'll never get a Gilda HG

>>15794658
Oh fuck off. No likes ibo apart from the mecha.

>>15794546
>A
>FUCKING
>KURD

Cosmic Era is best AU.
Just SEED and SEED Destiny, of course, and ignore the trash of Astray and Stargazer.

>>15794817

I'm pretty sure a soldier attacking a military compound during a self declared war doesn't count as a murderer. Mind you, that time he murdered all the super soldier kids in training makes him one regardless since they were only kids in a science experiment so it's rather moot.

>>15794546
GBF AU is best.

>>15795279
Shut up Saddam.

>>15795285
>and ignore the trash of Astray and Stargazer

Don't even dare to compare Stargazer to Astray. Hell, Stargazer is a hundred times more better than Destiny.

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Flag > Enact > Tieren > Graze

>>15794546
>Here's a pile of shit
>pick which turd you'd choose to eat
I just can't anon

>>15794546
G or GBF. Both shows, unlike pretty much all AUs understand that you cannot beat the intelligence of the UC.

>>15794627
BASED OBARI

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>>15795404
>Hell, Stargazer is a hundred times more better than Destiny.

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>2017

>/m/ is still retarded and refuses to acknowledge AGE as the best AU.

>>15796358
Age had an awesome music e some good ideas, but until Asemu it was just decent. With Kio it become unwatchable.

>>15796358
I can't even find torrents for it, no one bothers to host it.

>>15796358
1 decent protagonist with 2 shitty ones
Shit Gundams
Shit enemies
Shit grunts
Shit girls

>>15794546
What were they planning to originally do with Louise and Saji? I know that the plan was changed half-way through the first season, to make the Meisters a bit more heroic. But any guesses what Louise and Saji were going to be, other than the victims?
Also, kind of pissed off at Lasse's attitude in the beginning of S2. "We destroyed a bunch of stuff and made things bad, so we're going to keep destroying stuff until we fix it. Oh, and we're totally going to accept our due punishment (but only after we've destroyed anything that can threaten us)."

>>15796492
The only reason there is at least one decent character is because he devolves into psychotic murderhobo that /m/ can project itself into.

>>15798385
They change nothing about Saji and Louise. They were destined from the start to join the two different side of the war. If they change something it's probably the Thrones at mid season out from their ass, but it's just my opinion.

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I can't.
AD>FC=AW>PC>CE>AG>AC

>>15798385
Sounds like you didnt pay attention to the story itself, so heres some wisdom.
Saji and louis represented the youth (possible the japanese youth) who go about their day without ever looking at world events, not based on malice but because of the comfortable lives they live. After the terrorists bombings they witnessed, saji talks to his sister about hoe he never really believed in terrorism and even seeing stuff about it hed just brush off cus it wasnt happening around him. And when it did, he says that it became real, and it wasnt just happening in some distant country anymore.
As for the "fix what we destroyed" season 2 thing, Celestial Being made it clear that they werent fighting the feds, but the A-Laws, who were overly slaughtering any government opposition and were using horrific methods (automotons and the Memento Mori).

I can't...

>>15794546
SEED

/thread

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>>15794617
>>15794622
>>15794627
>>15794658
Enjoy the (You)s.
>>15794546
Tell me why I shouldn't convert 00 season 1's story to book format and edit it to be a standalone story. One character needs to be removed, a small detail needs to be added to 3 characters, one character's season 2 backstory needs to be spliced into S1, and one character needs a few lines altered.

>>15795416
Brave/Brave(Commander Type) > All of them tho.

>>15799482
>>15798385
What I never got was what Wang Liu Mei's goal was, or even her role in the story. It seems to me she just wandered around and did nothing of importance that couldn't have been achieved by other methods or straight up be handwaved by the plot.

>>15803206
She funded Celestial Being, she wanted to change the world.

>>15803214
So no meaningful role, then.

>>15798385
They were meant to be mirrors of the average citizen. Most of us don't give a single flying fuck about what's happening in the world. Saji sure as hell didn't, but then Nena came in and slaughtered Louise's family. And then his sister gets killed by Ali Al for snooping around too much. He went from someone not affected to whatever world war is going on to lost everyone important around him, showing that just because you are not directly affected by world affairs does not mean that you are completely out of it.
I got the implication that CB, Lasse included, were gunning to the obviously corrupt ALAWS. They'd accept their punishment by the actual government.

>>15803206
Major financial contributor to CB and trying to play both sides in S2. She really just wanted to see the world burn in turmoil.
She was forever assmad that her brother was not capable of running her families extremely important and wealthy name and had to do it herself. She was hellbent on changing the society and culture where she had to inherit whatever business they were running and didn't care if it was by CB or Ribbons. IIRC.

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>>15794546
After colony had a more interesting setting, aesthetic, and mechanical design by far. Only thing it falls behind 00 on is dialogue, but 00 isn't that far ahead in that regard.

>>15794546
I still rewatch 00 every once in a while so I might be a little biased when I agree with you.
Reminder that there will be a 00 Marathon starting in October!

>>15794546
I literally fucking cant anon

>>15803263
00 is literally GW done right. Wing only excels with the MS designs, which were much more memorable. In every other respect (plot, setting, characters, writing, pacing, animation) GW falls short.

>>15803575
>Wing mechas were more memorable.

I don't disagreed but Exia, The Gnx series, the 00 , the QanT , the Dynames and Virtue are all top tier design in my book. One of the best of the whole franchise.

>>15803766
The only ones worth a damn on that list are the Exia and the Qan[T] (which takes the cake for dumbest fucking name a Gundam could possibly have)

Everything else ranges from merely satisfactory, but not impressive to outright disposable

>>15803575
Wing had far better capes.

>>15803779
Do not besmirch the GN-XIV.

>>15803191
What character would be removed?
Elaborate on these details.

>>15794725
>Listen faggot, ANN posted a positive article about it once, so now all of /m/ is REQUIRED to hate it. You're not allowed to have your own opinions, newfag.

Dude you have to know 3 things about ANN and adjust your expectations accordingly.

First : they know jack squat about mecha
Second : they like only anime that is "progressive" in their eyes : i.e. anime with lots of gays, lesbians and transgender characters doing progessive things.
Third : they hate with a passion normal heterosexual characters.

>>15803779
>opinions
The only ones worth a damn are the Altron and Heavyarms. Everything else ranges from merely satisfactory, but not impressive to outright disposable

See, I can do it too.

>>15803779
>I want to belive that my opinion is not a pile of shit.

Sure, anon . Anyways, Gn-x are great.

>>15803820
My opinion is objectively not shit. 00 Gundam was a perversion of Exia that took everything interesting about it's source material and replaces it with uninspired, traditional geometry with an emphasis on boring symmetrically while trying to maintain the non-traditional flair that made Exia so groundbreaking. Most of this is achieved by moving the GN drives onto two unflattering swiveling slabs of metaI that cover the shoulderpads. I can say the same for all of the s2 Gundam's and their less aesthetically pleasing demeanor (mostly having to do with the fact that they are supposed to be easier to animate,) but truth be told, the only s1 Gundam I did like was Exia. Ebikawa fucked up royally with S2.

Q[ant] had the decency to push for a return to form, and I can even take an argument that it was superior to Exia in some ways, but unfortunately, the movie was completely fucking silly and it only got about in two or so minutes of combat.

I never cared for the GNX series aside from their faces, which made for an interesting foil to the Gundam in comparison.

There's no debate to be had here. Gundam 00 was the start of AU MS design becoming a mess of poor aesthetic design philosephy, which is a shame because I know for a fact that ebikawa and windfall are extremely talented mechanical designers.

Also, the story and setting of 00 is beyond retarded.

>>15805587
Please leave

>>15805587
>opinion
>objectively
That's not how those words works, champ.

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>>15803802
>caring about ANN's opinions
>going to ANN
>posting about ANN on /m/

>>15803779
>the Qan[T] (which takes the cake for dumbest fucking name a Gundam could possibly have)
I liked it.
At least it made sense to some degree.

>>15795296
>a soldier
Nah, he was by any definition a terrorist and knew it. They all did, that was why it was refreshing; that they were willing to call a spade a spade and own it. No cheap 'aimed away from your vitals' cop out either, Celestial Being killed a lot of soldiers who were just doing their jobs, so the least they could do is not weasel their way out of accepting moral responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

>>15805587
You must be the same retard asking why Banshee is a lion because its a sister unit to the Unicorn.

>>15794617
IBO is the worst Gundam entry in the franchise, much less AU.

>>15805968
It's not as bad as SEED Destiny

>>15795296
He was a terrorist and implied cannibal thanks to how he managed to escape his fucked up facility

>>15803206
She was a major financial aid for CB and her end goal was being one of the new world elites after the dust settled, too bad she acted like a idiot to the wrong person

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>>15803206
>most popular female character and got the most porn in S1
>completely ignored and forgotten by fanartists due to old hag design and dumbassed character in S2

Isn't it sad, Wang Liu Mei?

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>>15806089

She was pretty cute though.

>>15803766
00 with Raiser is an even cooler looking version of Wing

>>15806034
Your right, IBO is far worse. At least SEED Destiny was entertaining at times, IBO failed at even that.

>>15794546
OP why do you ask people to do impossible things?

RANK LIST
1. 00
2. IBO
3. After War
4. Wing
5. Rau Le Creuset as a character with a cool voice actor
6. Gundam AGE
7. Any excuse to put SEED lower on the list
8. SEED
9. Any excuse to put SEED DESTINY lower
10. SEED DESTINY

the rest were disqualified due to being joke series

>>15806122
SEED and Wing are better than IBO

>>15806130
I'll be honest I only finished season 1 but SEED bored me so much there isn't much that anything can do to be lower than it.

and Wing just got straight up convoluted

>>15805951
I am not.

>>15805587
>Forgive me. I have autism.

You know if for 00's 10th anniversary Bandai announced that they were making an RG for each of the S1 Gundams, I honestly could die happy.
If they then announced that they were making MG's as well, I would come back from death and buy all of them.

>>15806512
S1 00 gundams deserve master grade.

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>>15796388
>>15796492

Contrarian shitposters detected.

>>15806687

A contrarian is not someone who dislikes a thing, it's someone who holds an opinion opposing the popular or prevailing opinion. AGE is generally disliked. If you like AGE, more power to you but liking it makes you the contrarian, it the people who dislike it.

>>15794546
IBO

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>>15807412

>>15806886
Okay. Is there a word for people who will just unequivocally label anything and everything shit because they think it makes them cooler or more credible if they have negative opinions? Because there's a lot of those about and it would be good to put a term to it.

Dumb question, but what were the issues of the 00 Gundam(Setsuna's mobile suit in S2) when being compared to the Exia in terms of aesthetics?

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>>15808475
Exia was a swordman unit with sleek unique frame. Great melee capability, but less firepower, mobility and sniper. Limited, but good and still original.

00+Raiser, on the other hand, became a melee machine max sniper capacity, absurd firepower and god-like speed, all this in a clusterfuck frame. Even being more powerfull, it's boring.

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>>15808599
Visually speaking, I'm not really a fan of how the 00 Raiser is just the 00 Gundam wearing the 0 Raiser as extra shoulder pads.

>>15808475
It's just a meme. 00 Raiser is well liked dispite the fact that Exia and Qant are, generally more popular. Yeah, it's too powerful ,but as a design a lot of people like it.

>>15808599

> Exia
> less mobility

I'm sorry, what?

>>15809732
He mean that the Exia was fast, but not fast as the Kyrios or the 00 Raiser.

>>15809737

That's not what mobility means though. That's just flat out speed, and it was hardly a slouch in that regards anyway. Mobility is basically a synonym for agility, and is more about the freedom to move as desired in various ways.

>>15805587
I agree 100% with everything in this post.

00 is the most overrated AU in the franchise, and the designs, while original, are shit outside of a few outliers.

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>literally a masterpiece after the first 25 episodes
>and then Season 2 happened

>>15806122
>X
>joke

>>15809752
I wouldn't call it masterpiece...the dialogue was laughably bad. If you're into theatricality, it's a hoot, but otherwise, it's not something I'd watch twice. S2 just made everything worse.

So...is Turn A UC or AU?

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X is my favorite AU desu senpai

>>15809751
Yeah samefag. Now fuck off.

>>15809757

> can't read

Hint: read number 3.

>Wing is better than SEED

Uh... what

>>15809737
This.

>>15808450

There's no word that meets that exact definition to my knowledge, no. At least, not in English. There might be in German or something. You could make up a word for it I suppose: a shitster or hatester or something maybe.

You should probably put yourself in that camp if you do though, since you're calling >>15796388 one of them despite him showing an appreciation for parts of AGE, implying you think anything that isn't blanket love is blanket hate. Which makes you just as bad as the people you're raging against.

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>>15794546
I like 00.

S2 (and even the movie) has its flaws, but the overall 00 package is still enjoyable.

Before Build Fighters came out, it was the only 21st Century Gundam that didn't disappoint me.

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>>15810507
MY NIGGA
As much as 00 is my favorite and I liked it's designs the most
It's not really the best gundam show
S1 was really good except the Saji circlejerk and S2 was okay if not meh, the movie is J U S T though

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>>15809809
>This many people couldn't possibly like my favorite series! must be samefag

Don't Black_Knight this; 00 was shit, m8. Fucking Wing felt less retarded to watch, and I didn't even watch wing as a kid for any nostalgia factor to kick in.

>>15810748
Fuck off, Black_Knight.

>>15806562
What I wouldn't give for an MG Virtue to make up for that shitter 1/100 no grade.

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>>15810507
>>15810568
00 was just plain good, start to finish. S1 was amazing, S2 was just kind of standard Gundam tropes, and the movie is ehhhh, it's okay, not great, but not terrible.

I always have a hard time calling it my absolute favorite, but I've watched S1 probably 8 times by now, S2 at least 5, and the movie 3 times. It's so fucking good I can't stop loving it, even with it's flaws.

>>15810490
I wasn't referring to anyone in particular. I was just grumbling, since it seems impossible to discuss a show without someone or several dropping in and declaring it to be shit and all parties involved to have shit taste while making no effort to engage in more in depth dialogue as to why they apparently thought it was so bad.

>>15811375
Movie was fantastic after the plodding first 30 minutes. Season 2 still had its ups and downs but it was pretty great regardless even if it wasn't quite on Season 1's level.

>>15811375
People often forget that the first five episodes of S2 were great.

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I think that 00 S2 is horribly underrated. It wasn't as good as S1, but it wasn't bad by any means of the imagination.

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>>15794546
G Gundam
Gundam X
Turn A

I'm not sure if its the fact that it came after the worst Gundam anime ever or that what came after it were all considerably worse than it but 00 gets a lot of slack here despite the fact that it never lives up to its promises that season one made, started the UNDERSTANDING meme, was gay as fuck and squandered most of its potential from being a Gundam interpretation of a post 9-11 world to generic sci-fi story with Gundams.

I like 00 raiser's angel motif better than Wing Zero, it looks less try hard to be an angel

>>15812459
>UNDERSTANDING meme is gay.
>I WANT MORE 9-11

Holy shit, it must be terrible to be you.

>>15812489
Oh thank fuck.
I thought I was the only one.

>>15803783
Lockon's twin.

>>15812459
Turn A isn't an AU. It's exactly in the same timeline as UC.

>>15812651
Turn A is at the end times. For every gundam.

>>15812683
>tons of Zakus and Capules buried, plus a GM Cannon
>no MS from any other continuity
It's just far-future UC.

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>>15803196
>>15795416

>>15812713

> cannon illifueto
> GM cannon

There's some Zssas too, though they use a Bit System and the Muttowooo is very obviously based on a Baund Doc. The Mahiroo uses a trace system cockpit, and the Bandit has a Bit System from X too. There's also plans for Fuunsaiki and a Windmill Gundam in the Dark History database Did makes.

>>15812740
I think Fuunsaiki and the Nether Gundam's presence in that database were just meant to be a joke.

>>15812459
Am i reading this right? Do you honestly believe Gundam isn't Sci-fi?

>>15812683
Just leave the pamphlet at the door and fuck right off, you timeline cultist motherfuck.

>>15812746

I'd call them a reference for the sake of fun rather than a joke, since a joke technically implies a punchline; but yes, I'd imagine that's what they are too. Along with the shot of the Wing Zero in Corin's memories and the X firing it's satellite cannon in the Dark History among other minor references. Still though, the Zssans and Bandit uses a bit system for several fights within the show, and only X had a bit system. The Gozzo's Bruno and Jacop originally pilot apparently have a cockpit similar to the ones the New United Nations use in X, though honestly I can't remember them personally to verify. There are little bits of references to G, X and Wing spread around, especially X is basically my point, and they make up more than just a second of material here and there. None of it adds up to nearly as much stuff as UC derived suits like the Zakus or Capules, but they're there.

>>15812713
So the Wing gundam and the Sandrock are Uc too now? The Sandrock was in black history record.

>>15812489
I liked that the other 3 CB gundams are named after angels with different number of wings (Arios, Cherubim, Seraphim) and 00 is the angel with zero wings to fit with the theme.

>>15812761
Dude, watch the show.

>>15812421
S2 was fine. Nowhere as good on average as S1 but it had a lot going for it even if it falls back on general Gundam tropes and cliches most of the time till the last third of the season.

>>15812817
Yes. All three non-UC shows that existed at the time were established by Turn A to be in the same timeline with UC. Those were Wing, G, and X. Production notes and fluff showed clear callbacks to G and X in that the Turns' nanomachines were stated to have been developed from DG Cells. The only real tech taken from AWGX was the use of bit mobile suits by the Turn A, but only in sourcebooks and not in the actual show. I don't think they were mentioned in Tomino's notes, but I could be wrong there.
And if you believe the MG Turn X manual, all of the shows since then are listed as being in that timeline as well with Build Fighters being the only actual AU.
But the canonicity of things like gunpla manuals varies wildly depending on whether someone is defending what their favorite MS can do in a "who would win" thread (looking at YOU, Turnfags) and when they're dismissing a story element they don't like.

>>15814612

> The only real tech taken from AWGX was the use of bit mobile suits by the Turn A, but only in sourcebooks and not in the actual show.

The Turn-A never uses Bit mobile suits, even in data books as far as I know. You may be thinking of the manga image where it has a weird object on it's left shoulder and is flanked by several Turn-A derived suits, but that's Turn-A style GMs, not Bit suits. The Zssans and Bandit both use Bit suits in the show though, so it's a moot point.

I actually liked season two better than season one. The movie was pretty good too.

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>>15814648

This is the image I mean by the way, though I got the shoulder wrong. There's never been any information as to what's on its shoulder that I know of, but the other units as mass produced Turn-A style units, not Bit suits.

>>15814666
jesus

>>15814685
I stand corrected.
I was misremembering "Turn X bits" (the Turn X's ability to separate into multiple self-propelled weapons) as "Turn A bits" and thinking of that image. Those were the MP Turn A units.

>>15812817
Also there was a display screen during one episode of Wing that identified Gundanium as "Gundarium Theta" which would (paradoxically) indicate a steady tech progression between UC and AC. I say "paradoxically" because somehow the existence of multiple iterations of Gundarium is remembered but not mobile suits. Not that that's the *only* inconsistency, because apparently throughout the 10,500 year lifespan of the Gundam franchise things like Graeco-Roman mythology is remembered in detail while whole colonial civilizations and the advent of mobile suits are repeatedly forgotten.

>>15794750
this looks fucking awful, are you just some falseflagging shitposter? post something that looks decent or don't post at all

>>15794653
It beats out Reco and Wing, at least.

>>15794617
>>15794622
>>15794627
IBO has nice MS designs and had a lot of potential (not to mention trying a different path than most Gundam shows in the same way X and G-Gundam did for example), but the way they handled it...JUST NO.

It's average at best. Bad at worst.

>>15816116

Wing absolutely tried a different path, it wasn't till SEED that AUs began retreading familiar ground.

>>15816166
Well the two do have similarities between each other (Earth vs. Colonies), yet at certain points both had differences here and there.

>>15814769
Not even close

>>15812757
>Do you honestly believe Gundam isn't Sci-fi?
Where in that post does he say Gundam isn't scifi?

>>15816116
>had a lot of potential
This is such a worthless thing to bring up. Anything can have potential its whether the final result is good or not is important and since the show turned out garbage its irrelevant. I'd say the show had no potential because it never lives up to anything worthwhile.

>>15817088

What two? 0079 and Wing? X has more similarities with 0079 than Wing. Even G has an Earth v Colonies element.

>>15814666
Season 2 is everything wrong with modern gundam shows

>>15819225
Season 2 was fine

I liked S2. It felt like the fights had a lot more stakes in them and the risks are a lot higher. In S1 the gundams were basically untouchable. They withstood some 15 hours of non-stop barrages from the combined military might of the world and the only thing that showed were the human pilots getting exhausted. So pilots like Setsuna and Tieria could basically shit it up on the field and have little to no consequences. up until the GN-Xs rolled out.
Compare to S2 where they actually have to protect their ship and themselves or else they're fucking toast. Every battle felt significant where in S1 half of them were carefully and methodically planned out absolute curbstomps under the name of interventions.

>>15814724
There's also a screen showing the vayeate's backpack labeled as minovsky particle generator or something of the sort

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>>15819288
Wing always had little tidbits like computer readouts showing the "ALICE system mk2", "gundarium theta" and "movable flame+". They're just inside jokes.

When Heero disables the self-destruct system for the New Edwards base's ICBMs, there's a circuit board that says "Intel Outside".

In the exact scene you're talking about, there's a part of the backpack that is called the "minovsky particle accelerator".

>>15819225
Considering 00 S2 was still better than SEED Destiny, AGE and IBO, I would disagree

>>15819502
SEED Destiny was better than all of 00.

>>15817136
>generic sci-fi with Gundams
Are you ESL? I guess to him Star Wars is also not Sci-fi

>>15819631

Do you think 'generic' means 'not'?

>>15819509
>>15819225
You are pretty dumb, guy.

>>15794627
NO FUCKING FUNNELS

>>15811375
> 00s1 8.5/10
> 00s2 8/10
> AotT 7/10

You know, I think my main thing with the movie is it doesn't feel necessary. Like, Celestial Being's ultimate goal was to get mankind ready for when we encounter alien life and at the end of s2 they were back on track to doing that. I just really feel we didn't need to see first contact to make 00 work. But then again, it wraps up Setsuna's character arc more than the TV series did, so I'm not going to write it off entirely. And it was still fun in that summer blockbuster-sort of way.

I really like the ELS though and how non-human they are.

>>15819280
Thank you.

>>15794546
Wing was more fun and had better characters.

>>15821637
I like Wing but NO

>>15821637
Duo and Treize were cool, but otherwise no

>>15821618
The movie was , in fact, unnecessary. At best, they could have incorporated ELS at the end of the S2. But The S2 had already a fine ending.

>>15823002
>The was, in fact, unnecessary.
No it wasn't you sodomite. The movie is the closing chapter on a theme directly addressed from the very start of first season. This isn't even subtly foreshadowed, its blatantly addressed by the show itself. So it can not be unnecessary.

>>15821618
00 S1 = 9/10
00 S2 = 7/10
00 Movie = 8.5/10

>>15821926
>>15822462
>Not like Heero, Zechs, Noin, Trowa, Dorthy and Relena.
Poor taste.

>>15823303
2/6, they're all shitty with some being less shit than the others. I'll take Sergei, Soma, Graham, and Sumeragi over any of the mentioned Wing characters.

>>15823002
>I didn't pay attention.
Do you really not remember the part about the "dialogues".

All Gundams with wings are terrible
Prove me wrong

>>15823303
>The 'Star Wars prequels' ensemble of characters.
This gave me a hearty chuckle.

>>15823352
Sergi is the only good one among those choices. Zechs never became a parody of himself and the women in Wing mattered the entire plot.

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>>15823390
>women in Wing mattered the entire plot.
>women in Wing mattered

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>>15823390
>Zechs never became a parody of himself
>Decides the best path to peace is to kill everyone on Earth
Oh, sure

>>15823404
Still made more sense then Char's Counterattack.

>>15823394
Name one useful thing the female cast of 00 did in the finale.

>>15823438
Not exactly. Char at least also had environmental reasons for what he did. He was afraid Earthnoids would not change their ways before causing irrevocable damage to our planet, rendering it forever uninhabitable.

>>15823456
>causing irrevocable damage to our planet, rendering it forever uninhabitable.
Thus dropping an asteroid filled with nukes is perfect way not to permanently damage the Earth.

>>15823443
Don't have to, I never made a case they were relevant just they're better characters. What did any female in Wing do in the finale, literally sit by and watch occasionally making a dumb face while Heero and Zechs fought?

>>15823466
>just they're better characters
>Subjective opinion I can't prove.

>>15823464
According to him it was. He makes it sound temporary.

>>15823443
Sumeragi launched the Exia RII and also resolved her thing with Billy which saved the crew of CB.

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Prove to me, that he wasn't a shit villain that didn't drag the whole series down with him.

>>15823366
Aliens are also mentioned in UC but you don't see any

>>15823499
I thought he worked for the plot. He didn't really need to be exceptionally written.

>>15823667
It's mentioned explicitly that the Innovators will be integral to first-contact with extraterrestrials, though.

>>15823702
By that logic, so does Durandal and The Vegans.

>>15823762
Durandal was well written, up until about halfway through the series...

Ezelcunt's plan made no sense, even within his own show. Don't lump him with the rest.

>>15823464
>Thus dropping an asteroid filled with nukes is perfect way not to permanently damage the Earth.

Char's-Lalah-could-have-been-a-mother-to-me logic defies logic.

>>15823708
A telepathic person has an objective advantage trying to communicate with something you have no idea how it may communicate.
Also just because some guy has a theory about alien contact doesn't mean the universe must bend to his will and make it so.

>>15794546
>Name a better AU, I'll wait.

Dude you're going to wait a long long time since Sunrise has definitely forgotten how to fucking do a good story with engaging characters, good music, excellent world building and godly animation.
There is no better AU than Gundam 00. In fact there is no better Gundam than Gundam 00.

>>15794670
Too much filler.

>>15823866

Being telepathic is useless unless you've got heart. Like Setsuna does. Ribbons never had a heart, he was consumed by greed, desire for power and fuck the rest of humanity. Mr no-empathy would have been fucking useless against the ELS. Setsuna's life was fundamental in making him the man that he becomes. Thanks in great part to Marina. Empathy and the intuitve capacity to bridge understanding across cosmic gaps is what Setsuna brings to the table. He is the very definition of what I call a post-newtype. Better than Amuro, better than Char, better than Haman, better than Judau etc...

>>15823873
>Too much filler.

What a load of crap. Gundam 00 is the only 50 episode Gundam to have a tight story and every episode has a role to play.
You want filler ? Gundam Zeta is full of filler episodes. Meandering episodes just because we had to fill in the required 50 episode limit. And Zeta isn't even the only one to do this, IBO is another great offender. ZZ also, Victory etc... So spare me the UC best, AU shit fake dichotomy bullshit.

>>15823404
>>Zechs never became a parody of himself
>>Decides the best path to peace is to kill everyone on Earth

Typical Char antics.

>>15823886
1) Even if he's an asshole, a telepath has an objective advantage in communicating with an unknown. Just because he's may not act in humanity's best interests doesn't mean he isn't able to.

2) The odds of the perfect ambassador of humanity not only ending up a pilot of the illuminati magical particle fountain, but also granted psychic powers by that fountain all within not only a lifetime, but mere years before the alien first contact are so astronomical it's comical. The only acceptable excuse for that is divine intervention or destiny or some shit.

>>15824135
>The only acceptable excuse for that is divine intervention or destiny or some shit.

It no more ridiculous than newtypes appearing just around the 1 year war. You either accept that mutations take tens, hundreds of generations to take hold, or you accept the constraints of story telling.

Ok the Gundam 00 film could have taken place 1 milion years into the future. All of humanity has evolved into innovators and they can deal with the ELS. But where is the drama ? Where are the characters that we have followed since season 1 ? Choice, choice, choice. The writers made the right decision to focus on Setsuna. After all, Gundam 00 is Setsuna's personal story arc.

>>15824177
Newytpes have been around before the one year war, they just weren't called that. The original newtype term didn't even refer to what we now undeniably know as newtypes. The reason it became so big is because psycommu technology was developed during the war, which is 100% cut and dry proof that these newtype fellows really can do something different.

>But where is the drama ?
That's the writer's job, besides that other innovator sure as fuck didn't succeed.

>Where are the characters that we have followed since season 1 ?
The same place Amuro and friends are during Victory or F91.
Everything doesn't have to revolve around one group of retards.

>Gundam 00 is Setsuna's personal story arc.
Which is why they bent the universe to fit in the plot they wanted.

>>15824214
>The same place Amuro and friends are during Victory or F91.

Jesus man, are you stupid or what ?

Victory and F91 are not sequels to 0079.
Guess what ? 0079 and CCA (its direct sequel) does have Amuro, Char and the rest of the characters of the White Base. Most of them appear even in Zeta.

Gundam 00 film is the fucking conclusion to the tv show, how the fuck would the most important character (and secondary characters) not appear in it ?

>>15824214

> Newytpes have been around before the one year war, they just weren't called that.

No, they weren't. The Zabi and others used Zeon's existing term to refer to a new phenomenon that partially fit what he hypothesised, but there's nothing suggesting they existed before the One Year War. The closest thing to it is the novels giving an example of how geniuses in past times would have been called newtypes if the term or hypothesis had existed, but it doesn't actually say they were newtypes or had psychic powers, just serves to show that vague terms are co-opted to fit extraordinary people and that newtypes shouldn't be takes as proof of Zen's theory.

>>15824253
That was in reference to
>Ok the Gundam 00 film could have taken place 1 milion years into the future.
But I guess if you want the writers to suck his dick that much you could have a million year old Setsuna save the day, just because it gives you closure or something.

>Gundam 00 film is the fucking conclusion to the tv show
Except the conflict was already over. There were no more obstacles to shitbird's plan, and the psychics were starting to show up. That was cb's goal.

>>15824323
Okay fine.
You can't prove newtypes didn't exist before, I can't prove newtypes did.
In-universe speculation and historic accounts of psychics suggest that they did.

So either they had existed and just weren't named as such, or they just happened to start existing just when humanity happens to start a grand war that happens to coincide with the invention of a machine that is able to use the previously unmeasurable powers used by the psychics that just started to exist.
Neither answer is definitively right but one is a whole lot less of a stretch.

>>15824342
Listen here Autismo, Gundam 00 is an AU that is planned for only 2 Seasons and wasn't in any way made to have the same life span as UC which could build up the Timeline in multiple series. Knowing this, they still did a great job because the movie was meant to be a send off for the Series and a last show for the fans, you retard. You can't complain about it not being what its not supposed to be, its like comparing apples and Oranges you fucking retard.

>>15823873
ur mom's body has too much filler

>>15824371

> historic accounts of psychics

I don't recall those.

>>15824406
>Gundam 00 is an AU that is planned for only 2 Seasons and wasn't in any way made to have the same life span as UC
That doesn't excuse shoving so much into such a small timeframe. Nothing restricts you to only covering a few years.

> the movie was meant to be a send off for the Series and a last show for the fans, you retard. You can't complain about it not being what its not supposed to be, its like comparing apples and Oranges you fucking retard.
Fanservice cannot be quality, got it, explains unicorn I guess. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

>>15824472
Sure whatever, you should stick to IBO since they didn't shove much at all in their time frame. There's plenty of quality Fan Service and the spacing in that is more of your speed.

>>15796331
this is b8

Why do all the ass pained autist contrarians love to hate on anything new? Five years from now you will all be saying how great IBO was and how bad the new series is. Everyone hated on 00 when it was released too.

>>15827310
Yeah no, you're full of shit. The production of IBO is plain shit of course its going to be hated whereas its the opposite for 00 because they gained a lot fans that are here to stay.

>>15827327
The point was people said 00 production was shit back then but now everyone felates it. Don't get me wrong I love 00 but actually liked it at release. IBO was fine. Thanks for proving my point.

>>15827459
>IBO was fine
Yeah way to prove you're full of shit. I liked 00 during its release and I didn't like IBO because I can see how the production was shit not because its new like you.

>>15827310
>Everyone hated on 00 when it was released too.

The general opinion of / m in 2007 was:

S1
Episodes 1-3 Great start
Episodes 3-12 meh , nothing happens
Thrones: Shit happens
Episodes 15-25 everything will be FIRE!!!
S1 ending: good and satisfactory.

S2
Episode 1-6: Holy Shit , This is so fucking cool!
Epsiode 7-18 ZZzzZZ
Episode 18-24 Okey, that was not so bad.
Episode:25 WWWOOO, It's the fucking Exia!!

However, the opinion of / m was quite positive. The action and the animation stays stable for 50 episodes and still today it's one of the most beautiful TV show to see with the name Gundam.

>>15827586
>he action and the animation stays stable for 50 episodes and still today it's one of the most beautiful TV show to see with the name Gundam.
Not even close. It was consistent by post SEED standards by far from the most beautiful

>>15827586
00 had the luxury of being split into 2 seasons which helped with budget and animation.

>Episode 18-24 Okey, that was not so bad.
People shit on S2 after the start until Exia showed up. The Marina song saving Ali, 00 Raiser being overpowered, Anew and Lockon's forced romance, Nena and Wang's pointless character arcs, Alleujah being useless and screaming Marie all the time, Soma being a nothing character for most of part 2, The Innovades being Team Rocket, Setsuna beating them off screen, Graham and Setsuna's final battle turning into the 2 lines zipping around and crashing into each other thing that got popularized and is in everything now, Billy being a bitch and basing his whole character on Sumeragi leaving him, Feldt suddenly liking Setsuna, Saji's whole character etc. Season 2 got shit on by /m/.

>>15828184
I bet you think simply having good looking still frames is good animation. That or you're comparing 00 with an OVA. How bout you list some examples on what Gundam TV series does better.

>>15827586

I thought the episodes with the power blocs scrambling to figure out what they're up against, and making up plans on the fly was great.

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Why the hell does Saji's character arc get so much flack? It's pretty clear what they were trying to do with him and I think it worked great.

>>15828184
>by far from the most beautiful

Damn, you must be blind to say something like that.
Fact : Turn A, Seed, Destiny quality wise (in terms of drawings, CG and animation) cannot compete with 00.
Fact : No Gundam series since 00 has managed to improve on quality.
So in 2017 Gundam 00 is still the fucking best looking Gundam tv show. This is a fact and cannot be disputed. If you live in lala land and believe in alternate facts my sincere condolences.

>>15828214
>00 had the luxury of being split into 2 seasons which helped with budget and animation.

Please, IBO had the luxury of being split into 2 seasons which helped with budget and animation.
Right ? Right ? Fucking Right am I ?

Gundam 00 was still a 50 episode tv show with all the problems that go with it. The fact that Sunrise managed to strike gold, with the characters, the story, the animation, everything, is a fact. IBO notwithstanding Sunrise's heavy promotion couldn't achieve 1/20 of what Gundam 00 did quality wise.

>>15828284
>Why the hell does Saji's character arc get so much flack? It's pretty clear what they were trying to do with him and I think it worked great.

Because haters are gonna hate.
It's like they've never met Data, Spock, Quark etc... or any of the characters that are used as mirrors to the human condition.
Saji's and Louise arc is good. They go from normal kids, to people affected by global events. It's one way in which Celestial Being's actions, and those of A-Laws gain substance. It's not just something abstract but it affects characters that are no different from us.

>>15828332

> Fact: Turn A quality wise (in terms of drawings, CG and animation) cannot compete with 00.

Turn-A has very little CG in the first place, but it's a prettier and better animated show than 00. That's not even to say 00 is badly drawn or animated, just that Turn-A is better drawn and animated.

>>15828376

Turn A is nicely animated, but not as good as 00.
Gundam 00 quality is also consistent across the 50 episodes, not so with Turn A.

>>15828394

Turn-A's quality is pretty consistent, and more so than 00. Turn-A also didn't have CG to rely on and has a nicer color palette and art style in my opinion. Which it is, because whether X or Y is better drawn or animated is at least partly down to personal preference, since there are multiple ways to do both well, and a person can and almost always will prefer some over others.

>>15828394
>Gundam 00 quality is also consistent across the 50 episodes, not so with Turn A.
You do realize that 00 was split between two 25 episodes seasons one year apart while Turn A ran for 50 episodes straight right? And it still managed to look much better and had no stock footage (which 00 did in its second season)

>>15795404
tapeworms are beter than Destiny

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>>15796358
Asemu was a cuck.

>>15823499
He wasn't shit, you are just a retard who has no taste in anything and have to have exposition constantly shout shit at you to understand anything from simple character development to plot progression I bet.

Were the 00 sidestory mangas like 00P and 00I ever fully translated? I've been wanting to read more material in this universe.