Harmony Gold suing Hairbrained Schemes over copyright

Old news.

Fucking Harmony Gold.

Can't wait for those jews to just die of old age.

>>15790970
Can they countersue and say it was a frivolous lawsuit whose purpose was financial extortion, and tack on damages?

>>15790993
They're not j*ws fuck off.

>>15791253
>j*ws
Does mommy know you're using the computer tonight?

>>15791432
If you think swearing makes you an adult you still got some growing up to do you fr*ggen kid.

Looks like they're trying to go after Tatsunoko now too.

https://www.open-public-records.com/court/california-23006746.htm

They must be getting desperate.

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>>15790970
>"it's not like [they're] doing anything with the Robotech IP anyway."

Every time I want to side with the fans on this kind of shit one of them always opens their mouth and says something completely asinine that's completely beside the point.

>>15791037
>Can they countersue and say it was a frivolous lawsuit whose purpose was financial extortion, and tack on damages?
HG is a real-state company, they can counter-sue you, your children and the children of your children.

>>15791873
All HG has done with Robotech is sit on the license and prevent the release of anything vaguely Macross-related in the US.

>>15791873
>>15791886

The worst thing is that Battletech people are fueling them.
They "hate" them but suck their dick for the miniature models so they keep the "rights" by releasing some every now and then and having the BT grandpas eat it up for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

>>15790970
>>15791886
We should've call HG, (Dis)Harmony Gold now

>>15791794
What could they be trying to get from Tatsunoko?

>>15791886

Okay? And? If they own the rights they own the rights, expecting them to not sue just because their own output is shitty and then crying victim is moronic. You're setting yourself up.

>>15791940

The internet is a never ending well of hypocrisy

>>15791955
>People still defend Harmony Gold to this day.

>>15791970

Im not defending HG you illiterate twit, Im saying that the people who complain are morons who bring this on themselves

>>15791979
They bring stupid HG lawsuits on themselves?

You do realise that HG is a real estate company and Macross/Robotech stuff barely makes any money for them at all, right?

>>15791980
>They bring stupid HG lawsuits on themselves?

In this case yes. There's no way they didn't know how sue happy HG was.

>You do realise that HG is a real estate company and Macross/Robotech stuff barely makes any money for them at all, right?

And you realize that has no bearing at all on the actual point, right? But hey whatever let's you feel vicariously victimized

>>15791982
How did Tatsunoko bring a lawsuit on themselves?

And what the hell is

>But hey whatever let's you feel vicariously victimized

all about? Harmony Gold are dicks, they're acting dickish, and it's a thread about Harmony Gold being dicks. Forgive me for not praising them.

>>15790970
https://www.open-public-records.com/court/california-23006746.htm

Okay
But how about this.

>>15791940
Actually I heard this most recent round of suits was from HG getting way too much money for selling the robotech rights.

Harmony Gold's wild ride never ends.

>>15790993
>>15791253
They aren't. They're the Actual Mafia.

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>>15791794
>>15791987
>Going after fucking Tatsunoko.

Have the Japanese noticed yet? I wonder what 2ch and futaba think of these retarded US law hijinks.

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>>15790970
Harmony Gold are TV producers (and real estate developers, for some reason) based in Los Angeles. They also own the copyright to Robotech, a mecha anime series that’s visually similar to BattleTech, a rival mecha IP.

>They also own the copyright to Robotech, a mecha anime series that’s visually similar to BattleTech, a rival mecha IP.

>a mecha anime series that’s visually similar to BattleTech, a rival mecha IP.

>visually similar to BattleTech,

>Robotech is visually similar to BattleTech.

FUKKEN

HWAT?!?

Not only do they look nothing alike. They're different genre of mech and explore entirely different theme. How fucking thirsty do these kikes get?

>>15791253
>>15791439
I can't tell if this is a joke I'm not getting or if it's legitimate.

>>15792147
https://zip.2chan.net/2/res/1547067.htm

>>15792487
I take that broadly as a no.

Robot anime board is kind of slow and the thread is not even in the catalog.

>>15792495
>the thread is not even in the catalog.
That futaba thread was created last month, it's OP who is late to the party

>>15792386
You clearly know nothing about battletech.

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>>15792576
He's right though. How many 'mechs are there in BT? Hundreds at least. And how many come from Macross? Wasp, Stinger, Marauder, Warhammer. That's four, and out of those four, all four have either been unseen or redone with new designs.

As for the rest, they're quite visually distinct. Unless you think "robot warrior with gun" is genuine grounds for IP infringement, it's clear the little robot pictures BT draws are very different from the ones HG does.

>>15792828
Uh, there's also the Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, and Crusader.

>>15792023
Reminder that Italians are subhumans

>>15791037
Sure if it can be proven that HG doesn't hold the rights, which IS possible as Japanese courts found that the designs never belonged to Tatsunoko to begin with which means they never had the rights to license them.

Problem is in one of the older cases that dumbfuck Jordan Weisman made a settlement with HG that included the agreement that nobody with anything to do with him can question HG's rights.

American "law"

>>15792828
For one, there's more of them.

And as far as designs go, most of the old designs are designs made as modifications of the professional anime designs.
Mechanical designers didn't exist in the west back then so the whole thing was "Here, we bought these designs, copy them and change them around so you learn how to draw giant robots".

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>>15792386
They funniest thing is when HG tries to go after people with actual money and an actual legal department they get told to shut the fuck up.

>>15792576
You clearly have no argument.

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>>15792940
I honestly find the shared root to make BattleTech more interesting, rather than less. It's a snapshot of 1980s anime mechanical design taken from its home and fed an entirely different diet of pop culture. And,
admittedly sometimes sent to bed starving for talent and money.
Y'know, before the Harmony Gold bullshit, FASA used to hire Japanese studios to do some of their designs. It wasn't always the stupid east vs west dickwaving that always seems to pop up now.

Have a Fire of Unknown Origin-themed Crab.

>>15792935
>Jordan Weisman
(((Weisman)))

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>>15793433
Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Battletech. Not so much the community or the direction it takes sometimes but hey, you take things you love with both the good and the bad.

I mean, come on, they even did the entire line-up for a Japanese re-release that yielded some great looking stuff from 90s Nue.
Though I'm not aware of any other collaborations unless you mean the fact they reused the art in all the Japanese ports (which redesigned everything for obvious reasons) of the early video games as new machines in the TT game.

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>>15793457
Did you forget VMI and all the second-line clan designs?
And the IICs?

>>15793471
That's exactly what I was talking about there.
Redesigns of the robots for Mechwarrior 1 (because the porting company didn't own Macross designs, Studio Nue does, same for Dougram designs and Sunrise). Once the game was done, they took the designs from the game and turned the mechs from the game into IIC, upgraded version of themselves.
Except for one where they used the titular Battlemaster for Phoenix Hawk IIC? Or was it Wolverine IIC? I don't know.

>>15792935
Yeah but this is the American legal system. You can challenge FUCKING ANYTHING. Including that agreement.

>>15793545
Pretty much. Consider the following case.
https://twitter.com/demonatemu/status/898637793361969153

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>>15790970
you buried the lead because harmony gold is going full jew and trying to say they hold copyright for the atlas and the locust mechs as well as all the unseen

>>15791794
Man I can't wait to see how this turns out.

>>15793573
https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/wawd/242820/1-0.html

>>15791794
Whoa wait a second now this is actually interesting. I was under the impression that HG and Tatsunoko were under good terms considering the whole reason HG owns the western rights to Macross in the first place is because Tatsunoko sold it to them. Maybe, just maybe, Tatsunoko will get tired of their shit and tell them to fuck off for good.

>>15791873
>>15791955
>>15791979
People say that because it's frustrating seeing them not only prevent others from making stuff by suing the shit out of them but also not do a damn thing with what they already own. This isn't even going into the incredibly shady status of their rights to Macross or how they'll try to sue someone into oblivion even if it doesn't look remotely similar to what they own like the guys they're going after in the OP.

Here's hoping the judge is gonna be based to any significant degree, look at the previous rulings, at the evidence, and then just throw them out while laughing.

>>15793871
>laughing.
and

as the saying goes: do not bite the hand that feeds you. If HG is really suing Tatsunoko, then they are a bunch of idiots. They just sunk the chances of Tasunoko agreeing to renew the license to SDF Macross to them now.

>>15793988
yeah, aren't they supposed to renew their hold on the macross rights soon?

>>15794084
So what company would /m/ want to hold the English Macross rights? RightStuf?

>>15794087
I know I'll probably get shit for this, but Funimation is probably the only company with enough dough behind them to really push Macross.

>>15794172
You mean Sony.
And who has those Robotech rights these days?

>>15794087
>>15794172
I wonder how much full NA distribution rights for the entire franchise would even cost these days.

>>15793693
They won't even bother licensing Macross to anyone else.

>>15793871
That's not what judges do. The previous rulings all support HG.

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>>15791886
Actually we got that craptastic Robotech Comic this month, that was something

>>15794084
They renewed the license back in 2011/2012 i believe, and will expire in 2020.

>>15792940
You're right, there are more Macross designs than I thought. But robots like the Black Knight, Atlas, Crab, Hunchback, and not to mention all the clan 'mechs, battle armors, etc are completely original. Sure, some may be inspired by Macross designs, but that's not copyright infringement. If my company logo is a big colorful letter because I was inspired by the McDonald's aesthetic, they don't get to sue me over it.

A set of visual cues is not a design in itself, and while something like the Centurion certainly evokes a Battroid, it most certainly is more than a "modification". Claiming with any sincerity ( beyond "my legal team advised me to go for it" ) that any 'mechs outside the Unseen pile ought to be taken off is a genuinely immoral move. I understand that HG has to show that they're trying to protect their own property, but I can't seriously imagine how some of the claims they're trying to push will pass.

>>15794263
>The previous rulings all support HG.
lolno, see >>15792955

WE
HERE
AT
ROBOTECH
X

>>15791253
>>15791432
>>15791439
>>15792472
You all need to h*cking calm down.

>>15794471
Except there was no ruling. It was settled outside of court.

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>>15792487
>>15792495
>>15792527
I'm pretty sure that's not even the actual 2chan, little dudes

>>15795089
It is 2chan - Futaba. The one and only 2chan, site that moot ripped off to make 4chan - Yotsuba.

You're probably getting it confused with 2channel - 2ch, the originator of 2chan itself.
And yes, the linked thread fell off the board.

>>15794172
>Funimation

Just what I always wanted anon, subs and dubs intentionally mistranslated/transliterated to insert constant references to male privilege, gamergate and other shadows SJWs love to jump at...

>>15794087
I couldn't give less of a fuck about the US rights but for the sake of all that is holy, split the international license so they can give Asia to Bandai or someone like that.

>>15793598
They're not under good terms because it's not the first time Harmony Gold has tried to claim ownership of Macross totally, globally (inc. Japan) but it's such a small thing to them, like a crazy relative who every so often turns up in your living room.

>>15793988
Doesn't matter; they hold the rights to Macross outside of Japan in perpetuity.

>>15795193
Tatsunoko doesn't own shit in Macross aside form the distribution rights for the original show (which is too outdated to be worth anything to anyone but the biggest spergs around) why would they care?

>>15795207
Because Harmony Gold keeps sueing them.

>>15794084
No it renew in 2021 sadly.

>>15795165
>dubs intentionally mistranslated/transliterated to insert constant references to male privilege, gamergate
did this ever happen?

>>15797275
They did a line about Gamergate like three years ago in their dub for Prison School but that's all I know of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEXurYaIHao

>>15795195
They actually need to renew the contract every 6 to 7 years as he say >>15794390

Leonard French did a video covering the Harmony Gold vs Tatsunoko stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrfOtJyJpM

the TL;DW is that it was ruled that Harmony Gold does have the rights to all the Macross stuff minus the 41 original characters (not sure if they mean the people in the series or if it also includes mechs) which are owned by Big West. They also do not owe Tatsunoko any royalties. However, their license for the series doesn't last forever and will expire March 14, 2021 at which case Tatsunoko has the right to take everything back including anything HG has sublicensed to other companies and such.

>>15795165
Fuck off /pol/.

>>15797363
No wonder they're suing them, probably trying to strong arm the rights away permanently before Tatsunoko can revoke them.

>>15797363

No shit, I will mark the date here to commemorate.

>>15793447
>>>/pol/
go back to your cesspool

>>15797363

Thank god. 4 more years and that shit is over then.

No way in hell they'll let them renew it.

>>15791253
You just censored jew. Jew is not a derogatory term, that is what they are called.

>>15795076
And why do you think that was? Because HG can't take on an actual giant like Hasbro.

>>15798209
>No way in hell they'll let them renew it.

Never underestimate the power of money (or backstabbing). Harmony Shit are experts in the later, and may have money (from the movie deal with Sony). Who knows, maybe Tatsunoko are really fucking idiots and will relicense Macross to Harmony Shit for another couple of decades. So lets wait and see but don't get your hopes up.

>>15798209
>No way in hell they'll let them renew it.

If he isn't trying to sell internationally himself, that's just free dumb money in his pockets though.

>>15798253
>the movie deal with Sony
lol robotechx fags are so fucking delusional they think it'll ever actually get made

>>15798253

If they get it I am raiding HG's offices Spike Spiegel in the last episode of Bebop style.

This shit ends. Macross will be freed.

>>15798219
>j*w is not a derogatory term
Yes it is depending on the context.

>>15798521
>editing jew
hahaha what a fucking faggot

>>15798341
You and I both.

>>15797287
there was also that bit in the beginning of maid dragon where the change the interaction between the chick and the dragon hitting on her. it's subtle but it changes a shitload of the meaning behind their interactions

>>15797363
----
To Whom It May Concern
Big West Co., Ltd.
We brought a lawsuit against Tatsunoko Production to confirm our copyright ownership of TV anime "The Super Dimension Fortress-1 Macross" which has been broadcast in Japan since 1982.

Consequently, on February 25, 2002, the Tokyo District Court accepted our assertion and ruled that we are copyright owner of all character patterns attached hereto as lists No.1 to No. 41.

It is an inevitable ruling by the court that made a thorough examination on production process of "The Super Dimension Fortress-1 Macross."

We will take advantage of the copyright to develop more "Macross" products.
Kaya Ohnishi

President
Big West Co., Ltd.
Enclosure


1 VF-1S FIGHTER
2 VF-1S BATTROID
3 VF-1S GERWALK
4 VF-1J FIGHTER
5 VF-1J BATTROID
6 VF-1J GERWALK
7 VF-1D FIGHTER
8 VF-1D BATTROID
9 VF-1D GERWALK
10 VF-1A FIGHTER
11 VF-1A BATTROID
12 VF-1A GERWALK
13 ARMORED VALKYRIE
14 SPARTAN
15 REGULT
16 GLAUG
17 SDF-1 BATTLE SHIP
18 SDF-1
19 PHALANX
20 DEFENDER
21 TOMAHAWK
22 QUEADLUUN-RAU
23 NOUSJADEUL-GER
24 MONSTER
25 QUEADOL-MAGDOMILLA
26 TOUGOU-GUN Emblem
27 ZENTRAEDI Emblem
28 Misa Hayase
29 Hikaru ichijo 1
30 Hikaru ichijo 2
31 Lynn Minmay 1
32 Lynn Minmay 2
33 Lynn Minmay 3
34 Lynn Minmay 4
35 Claudia La Salle
36 CAPTAIN Gloval
37 Maximilian Jeunius
38 Roy Focker
39 Milia Fallyuna Jenius
40 Bullitie
41 Exsedol Folmo
----

>>15791794
From /tg/:
>On August 16, they accepted arbitration that declared Tatsunoko had zero ownership of those mechs, and could not have transferred those rights to Harmony Gold, therefore HG does not at all own the designs in question.
Case is basically closed, HG has nothing to stand on, and are just completely fucked from here on out.

>>15798857
Now for the important questions.
Since Harmony Gold FINALLY accepted the Japanese court rulings, does this mean Bandai and friends can start exporting Macross toys and shows or will that keep being cockblocked in some way?

>>15798857

Why was Hikaru listed twice and Minmei four times? Also, no mention of the sequels and expanded universe?

>>15798902

Unfortunately while Harmony Shit doesn't own Macross (the show, characters etc...) it fucking has a monopoly on several trademark terms. Those terms and symbols being Macross, UN Spacy and the famous white red kite. So if anyone wants to release Macross merchandise outside Japan (even when the Harmony Shit loses the rights to the original anime) they still have to pay the mobsters for the use of the fucking name.

>>15798985
IIRC in a design bible they'll have different variations of a character's looks (clothes, hair, ect) labeled like that.

>>15798992
Nope, see >>15798857, all those things are included in the Tatsunoko agreement.

>>15798992
>Those terms and symbols being Macross, UN Spacy and the famous white red kite. So if anyone wants to release Macross merchandise outside Japan

As far as I'm aware the trademarks only apply to US, UK and France?

>UN Spacy
I call bullshit, just about every Japanese sci-fi show has UN Spacy in it. Besides, it's long dead with NUNS taking its place in any shows that actually matter.
>Logo
Macross Plus was already released in these countries and the modern shows don't use it, either. Once again, NUNS.
It leaves us without Macross 7, but I'll take what I can get.

Imo, the Macross name is the only real issue here and I'm fairly certain you can bully the trademark away from them since the Japanese series is called Macross whereas they haven't used the trademark to the point where people don't even know what it is.
Worst comes to worst, they can simply alter it to Macros in the subtitles and leave everything in the show in Japanese, the way JoJo dodges trademarks with the song names.


Anything apparetnly wrong with this or can I start hoping we might for simulcasts next year with the newest show and the Delta Movie?

>>15798985
>Also, no mention of the sequels and expanded universe?
Pretty sure that's because Harmony Gold never got their greasy mitts on those

>>15798902
HG doesn't own designs but it owns license for distribution of merchandise and toys from SDF. So Bandai still can't sell VF-1 or other SDF toys.
No idea about toys from shows after SDF. Most likely as >>15798992 said they are blocked by trademarks.

>>15791980
>You do realise that HG is a real estate company and Macross/Robotech stuff barely makes any money for them at all, right?

HG's dream has been for there to be a big Hollywood adaption which would make them hundreds of millions of dollars. It costs them nothing to sit on the rights, and there's a chance of a big cash out in the future. It makes sense for them to hold onto it forever.

>>15799320
>Hollywood adaption which would make them hundreds of millions of dollars
They don't need Macross rights for that. Even if Sony makes a movie it won't use anything from Macrosss except for few very loose generic concepts and ideas. They are not retarded enough to use anything that might get them into legal trouble in the future.

>>15798992
>>15799259

The Real FOOOOOOLK Blues

(sounds of explosions and slaughter)

>>15793573
And to think that anyone with one functioning braincell can easily google the Unseen...

>>15798705
>f*ggot
Stop. I just want everyone who browses this board to feel welcome. /m/ is a board of peace and hope not ignorance and hate.

>>15799865
Please leave or adjust. Words are not violence.

>>15800227
Words are not violence but they can incite violence and I do not want that to happen.

>>15800242
Nonsense and faggotry. Grow up.

>>15800244
>f*ggotry
Seriously if you don't stop I will send an email to the proper site administrators and have you dealt with. This is your first and final warning.

>>15800248
Babby's first troll. Here's a (you) for trying, newfag.

>>15800268
I'm not trolling this kind of behavior is despicable take it to /pol/ or /b/ if you absolutely can not refrain from being a hateful bigot. Hate speech is not tolerated on /m/ and I will not sit here and let you get away with it.

>>15797410
>Everything I don't like is /pol/

Stop this right now.

>>15798335
>Wanting the company that gave us Jack And Jill, Pixels, Ghostbusters 2016, The Amazing Spider Man 2 and The Emoji Movie to make anything even tangentially-related to Macross

That's the bigger mistake, honestly.

>>15799865
Could you please get a trip so we can all filter you, please?

>>15800316
Go back to stormfront if you don't want any resistance to your hate speech.

>>15799340
They're also never going to make a movie that isn't going to make them tons of money in the Asian market.
Robotech wouldn't even be able to get a release over there.

>>15800323
No.

>>15797650
>>15797410
Why do anti-pol whiners know so much about pol? And on /tv/ and /v/ they always whine about some reddit forum as well on top of it.

>"I wonder why people are upset about Harmony Gold"
>Read the Wikipedia article
>Literally stop a quarter through because I'm so fucking disgusted

HOW THE FUCK CAN THIS COMPANY EXIST AND HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES SLEEP AT NIGHT.

>>15798747
Us 3 together.

>>15790970
Considering how ridiculous, far-reaching, and blatantly lacking in standing on multiple different levels their case is, there is no way Microsoft could stand back from providing legal support to HBS and PGI, lest their IP (keep in mind Microsoft merely leased the license to battletech games to those companies) becomes untouchable trash, which is normally something large companies like that.

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>>15800673
Same reason any company exists, anon

>>15800673
Ever read about the Italian mob?

>>15800341
>Robotech wouldn't even be able to get a release over there.
Why not? They would be able to release the movie even in Japan. You can't sue them if the movie has nothing Macross related in it except for very generic ideas about space war.

>>15798857
The minute any of the original SDF companies assert their legal ownership abroad, HG's entire kingdom collapses. The Japanese agreement was that Tatsunoko owned the SDF Macross anime distribution and merchandising rights, Big West and Nue owned everything else, including the characters, designs, franchise, etc.

HG only purchased from Tatsunoko, which means the only thing that they bought was anime distribution and merchandising rights. All they can do is control international sale of the original TV show SDF Macross and its merch. They can't control Macross:DYRL, Macross Plus, etc, because they don't own the franchise and never could have -- the company they "bought it from" didn't even own it. Technically, HG can't even sue Battletech for copyright infringement because they don't own the designs they're suing over, Big West and Nue do. I think that they can at best claim that Harebrained is illegally distributing SDF Macross "merchandise", which they have bought the exclusive right to do.

The problem is that HG has also collected a bunch of US trademarks and essentially stolen the entire Macross franchise and all of its designs by far overplaying what they own and remaining completely unchallenged over it. The issue has been settled in Japan court, but Japanese companies seem reluctant to challenge HG on their fraud. Legally speaking, HG has no more than Tatsunoko ever had, but practically speaking, they have everything, because of their aggressive, parasitic, and downright criminal legal division.

oh boy it's another thread where people write essays about the law and then HG keeps on going and nobody in the real world gives a shit

>>15801909
Tatsunoko brought an arbitration against HG last week. It's been confirmed that HG does NOT have the rights to the 41 original designs, because those belong to BW.

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>>15800277
haa i got a laugh your like the most passive shitposter ive ever seen

>>15802061
To be precise: Big West took legal action against Tatsunoko to force them to take action against HG.

Macross.jp had a page up with the details of the designs owned by BW, and last week's arbitration results confirmed that HG does not own said designs.

Big West list of owned designs

https://web.archive.org/web/20040806174222/http://www.macross.co.jp/contents/index.html

Leonard French explaining the arbitration results

https://youtu.be/XoMs6iYXyng

It's been confirmed that the mecha designs do not belong to HG. As they aren't the owners of the designs they can't sue the Battletech people.

BW can totally sue them though.

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>>15801909
>>15791873
Robotech fans getting toasty.

>>15792495
Japanese people are utterly ignorant of anything happening outside of Japan. Hell, they're not even that much aware of anything going on in it. Gotta work work work 16 hours a day like good little ant drones

>>15802122
t.American with two jobs and no healthcare

or

t.European paying 50% tax for Achmeds.

>>15800502
Because you newfags are always impossibly obvious about where you crawled from, it would take a braindead retard to not recognize your posts

>>15802329
>you
Don't project. Go back to pol, where you get all your info from. I mean, how dare someone not like it when someone shits up a thread with their rehashed pol boogeyman? No different from whining about sjws.

>>15802345
If you are not from /pol/ why are you getting so triggered when you're told to go back to your shithole? The original post chain ended when that poster told you to go back to /pol/ but then you got triggered and here we are.
With you angry about being called a /pol/tard

>>15802355
I literally just said so. Can't you read?
>yuh triggered
>why so angry
>yuh triggered
Don't project.

>>15802099
>BW can totally sue them though.
Didn't FASA originally license the use of the designs from Big West, though?

Also the big problem that's always been up in the air is the confidential agreement between FASA and HG from back in the 90s. They could have agreed to something monumentally stupid that makes them liable for breaking the agreement, and it could still be legally binding regardless of who actually has the rights to what. That's been the speculation forever about why the "original" unseen designs never came back even after it was found out that HG had no right to them.

lol if you make a battletech game without striking a deal with HG first

>>15802708
>Didn't FASA originally license the use of the designs from Big West, though?
No, they bought original license from third party company which bought it from Tatsunoko. BW wasn't involved.

>>15802358
Imagine being so mad that you have to tell people you aren't mad.

>>15802329
>Not like us olderfags, am I correct anonymous? You just lost a game, Mot is OLED xD

>>15802793
Ironic. You're the only talking about anger. Issues?

>>15798992
>>15798902
>>15798857
>HAvent been following this shit
>Hear that HG was BTFO'd in court by Harebrained
>awyis.jpg
>appareantly they lost the rights to the show
>AWYIS.jpg
>but they still have the rights to a few names and images fro mthe show, which will basically continue to block the show

Did the fucking devil invent copyright law? This shit is byzantine and nonsensical.

>>15803123
they lose it all in 2021

AND WE FROM ROBOTECHX.COM ALL LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>15803123
IP law is the most backwards and evil form of regulation to ever hit the world. I don't think it even ever actually works as intended unless you're a huge company because the lawyers cost millions and you could be in court for decades with appeals, which is why patent trolls have made countless millions going after small guys with vague patents.

>>15803136
Nice, four more years until they renew it and this bullshit lasts until the year 3000.

Unless Im missing the part where they cant renew it.

>>15803176
If Tatsunoko chooses to not renew, then it won't be renewed.

>>15803176
Just saying, what if a big studio chooses to cut HG and gets the rights from Tatsunoko?

This way the big studio won't be dealing with HG, and then maybe Big West may say yes to a Macross Live Action movie with the original designs.

>>15803183
Considering HG just tried to take legal action against them I can't see them falling for their shit again.

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>>15803183
So Tatsunko can say "lol gibe back the IP" and HG is fucked in terms of Macross ownership?

>>15803188
I dont think Macross is that well-known(sadly) to have a big studio purchase it. If anything, I could see it revert back to the Japs, and after a few years(a decade or something?), with a rise in interest of it, then hollywood would look at it.

>>15803149
You can thank Disney for the current laughable state of copyright law in the first world.

All because of a cartoon mouse no-one gives a toss about.

>>15798857
>Case is basically closed, HG has nothing to stand on, and are just completely fucked from here on out.
But that's wrong. HG owns everything from Macross other than the mecha and character designs. They can sue Battletech for using the sound effects from Macross for PPCs, as well as any music and any logos like the hazard warnings on the mecha designs.

Harmony Gold can also sue Battletech for creating designs similar to Harmony Gold's own reimaginings of these 41 mecha designs.

>>15803219
I'm not even from /pol/, you obnoxious cunt.

>>15803210
Battle Angel Alita and KITE both got Hollywood adaptations, and I'd say both of those are far less known than Macross.

>>15803227
All You Need Is Kill got a movie with Tom Cruise as the MC, and that was pretty obscure as well.

>>15803223
>They can sue Battletech for using the sound effects from Macross for PPCs, as well as any music and any logos like the hazard warnings on the mecha designs.

That is so ridiculous that I wont believe until I see it.

What are they gunna say, theyre laser guns sound like OUR laser guns! Allow me to demonstrate your honor:

Battletech
> BEEEEEYOOOOOO

Robotech
>BEEEETWOOOOOO

As you can obviously see, they sound so similar, that it HAS to be an infringement on us! Now, I want them bankrupt. Gimme.

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>>15803223
>Harmony Gold's own reimaginings of these 41 mecha designs.
Except HG can't create derivative works from those designs.

Why do you think they had to fuck up the designs with Robotech II?

>>15803238
what the fuck did they do to Breetai?

He looks like a Marvel character.

>>15803210
I have to wonder if they're intentionally making the new Macross series as Western audience unfriendly as possible. Everything I've seen from Zero onwards (and arguably Macross 7, but that's glorious in its own stupid way) has been a pretty big departure from SDF/DYRL/Plus. I really wish they could 1) dial back the music element to DYRL levels and/or 2) make something with the tone of Plus again.

>>15803234
No, they can show how the sounds are the same in old games or how similar they are.

>>15803235
Except they can? Anything made from Robotech is owned wholly and solely by Harmony Gold.

>>15803241
No, it's just being made to the current taste of Otaku.

>>15803241
But why would you make Macross worse? Just to appeal to normalfags?

>>15803241
That's like asking if Game of Thrones is deliberately made to not cater to Chinese audiences compared to Rome or The Borgias or House of Cards.

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>>15803240
Would you prefer this instead?

>>15803277
Behold, the greatest thing to emerge from Robotech.

>>15803277
Why wasn't the battlepod made into a Battlemech?

>>15803241
Plus is almost universally reviled

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>>15803277
Best face

>>15803241
No. Otaku just want moe.

>>15803277
Seriously, was the artist taking the piss when he made this?

>>15803604
Wouldn't you if your career was dead enough that you were making illustrations for Robotech?

>>15799035
Simulcasts are real iffy when it comes to movies, so I wouldn't count on that. CR/Funi have a partnership going on, so if they pick up some Macross shows for streaming then I'd expect at least a home video release for the Delta Movie.

>>15803356
Are you sure you're not thinking of Zero or II? I thought Plus was pretty well liked

>>15803356
Is the love for Plus a western thing, then?

>>15803707
>>15803718
While I was trying to confirm or deny whether the Japanese hated Macross Plus, I ran across this article.

http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2009/12/8_reasons_why_robotech_is_better_than_macross.php

I don't think I've ever been happier that a website has closed down before.

>>15803948
>Reaching: The Article
I'm honestly impressed how far this guy went to justify his My Dad Could Beat Up Your Dad argument

>>15803235

God damn Breetai was turned into a giant smurf.
Fuck Harmony Shit.

>>15803948
I read that expecting a good laugh, but it was just so... sad. Like I legitimately feel too sorry for the guy who wrote that to even laugh at it.

Ooof, /m/'s worst and most obvious trolls have written better bait arguments than this guy's honest opinion piece.

Poor dude...

>>15803241
I'm a "westerner" and I like it. Many do, in fact.

Just because it doesn't cater to (you)r tastes doesn't mean everyone who isn't Japanese can't enjoy it.

>>15803707
>>15803718
>>15803948
The Japanese list of preference looked like this before Delta came along:
Macross F > Macross 7 > Macross Plus >
SDF Macross > Macross Zero

Delta ended up ranking around Macross 7 in the end for them.

>>15804024
>The Japs put Macross 7 above Plus

I'm not even mad, but god damn their tastes are inscrutable at times. I suspect Plus has to fairly well-regarded over there though, given how any and all YF-19 merchandise skyrockets in value even on the Japanese aftermarket.

>>15804086
>>15804024
Reminder that these shitty polls are open to everyone and especially to children who only saw the most recent series but vote for it anyway.

>>15793573
俺からは上からボスボロット、ダグラム、メタルギア、だな

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>>15804086
I guess you're forgetting YF-19 was also the star of the show in Macross 7 as well as all of its OVAs.

>>15804159
>It's just kids.
For one, that wouldn't explain M7 on the second place as kids would have no way of really having seen that.
And then there's the fact that both Frontier and Delta continue rather favorably with all the things set up in Macross 7. The way the colonization works, the ships used. The abandonment of the original Macross design unlike with Megaroad 23. The tangible effect of singing on the universe and the science behind it. Even Macross Plus was following Macross 7's legacy by explaining how the Valkyrie that Basara piloted came to be as well as the adverse effect of the power of songs when used by the AI to mind-control people.

It's not like SDF got abandoned simply because Japanese living today grew up during the 90s and as such couldn't give a hoot about the original from the 80s. The endless amount of cameos for the original Valkyries and callbacks to the songs and even scenes from SDF and DYRL are not for show. They know and have seen the original, they really consider the new ones to simply improve upon it and I wholeheartedly agree with them.

>>15804214
Plus was before 7.

>>15804414
>Plus was before 7.

It came out a little bit earlier but IIRC, Kawamori worked on 7 first, then on Plus.
I could be wrong but I think the last time he got interviewed on the subject, that was the way he talked about it.

Did you guys know that HG once did a free form adaptation of the original Harlock show, mixing it up with Queen Millenia, and rewriting the scripts in real time while watching already edited episodes in mute?

>>15804414
I thought that too but apparently 7 was '94 and Plus was '94/'95. They were likely in parallel development as insane as that sounds.

Is Macross 2: Lovers Again worth watching?

>>15803948

Was that some sort of poor attempt at trolling? Most of the points were at best heavily biased and at worst completely unreleated to what it was talking about.

>>15804499
Looking through the rest of the site, I think it was on the level. It's like their articles were written by Ollie Barder's evil twin or something.

>>15803948
>Argues about Max and Milia's romance being handled better in Robotech
It's the exact same way in the Macross show, DYRL is a movie retelling in-universe
>Robotech is longer
Completely irrelevant, besides sometimes I don't have time for a longer series so I prefer something shorter
>Complains about the names in Macross
Only one of the names sounds like something else and they acknowledge it maybe once or twice
>Says Robotech has more empowered women
Now you aren't even comparing Macross to its adaptation, also by that logic I can bring in all the characters from the Macross sequels
>Says Robotech has less bad video games than Macross
Completely off topic, plus it also has less GOOD video games than Macross
>Robotech inspired fewer awful sequels
Because all two of its sequels WERE awful, save for Delta and Zero (and maaaybe F in the past few years in the West) most people I know like the Macross sequels
>Says it didn't result in Clash of the Bionoids
Pretty sure Clash of the Bionoids was a direct result of DYRL's licensing issues that Harmony Gold was in part responsible for, since it came out AFTER Robotech but that's just an assumption on my part
>Robotech has better theme music
Oh yeah, like the generic instrumental intro is better than one of the most iconic anime themes out there

It's like he wasn't even TRYING...

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>>15794276
What the fuck are they even trying to do with Minmay? Because the Robotech fanbase hates her so much they suddenly think that making her an aggressive, ugly, bitch who-need-no-man is "fixing" her?

>>15803346
It was. The Ostscout, Ostsol and Ostroc are initial derivatives of the battlepod.

>>15804733
Never watched Robotech but other than that bit in DYRL where she becomes a hysterical cunt after Hikaru chooses Misa over her she always seemed quite likeable and well-rounded. Why do Robotech fans hate her exactly?

>>15804884
Based off of the original series, how she initially comes off as whiney and immature, but came to terms with where her life went. Only she never really gives up her fixation over Hikaru/Rick in the end. Instead she goes on in the Robotech stories and comics as this crazy, bitchy, childish bimbo who sleeps with everyone she shacks up with, including one of the 'cause-I'm-so-evil' villains in the whole thing! Everyone who has bothered to write up stories for Robotech keeps harking back to how she initially behaved int he series and just take a shit on her because they either don't like or don't know what to do with her. Thus, there's this heavy consensus in the Robotech community that Minmay is this unredeemable Brittany Spears punching bag.

>>15804923
Just when I thought it wasn't possible to hate Harmony Gold's treatment of Macross any further...

>>15804923
Aren't the novels some kind of time loop where Minmay is actually the cause of everything?

>>15804964
Yeah, pretty much. She gives birth to Zor; the guy who discovered the Invid, invented protoculture gasoline, and everything.

Robotech. Hates. Minmay.

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>>15804990
Harmony Gold doesn't care about Chinese people!

>>15804964
Minmay is the mother of Zor.

So Mechwarrior 5 is going to release, or become vaporware?

>>15804024
>I'm a "westerner" and
But the point stands that it's fundamentally unfriendly to western audiences. You can enjoy it as a seaaoned anime viewer, but it relies heavily on elements that are simply strange to westerners. The whole concept of an idol for example doesn't exist outside Japan. Our singers are nearly always adults, when they aren't it's a freak occurrence. Macross's fetish for young girls is basically antiwestern, as are the many other anime-referential elements in recent shows. On the contrary, something like SDF was prowestern because it featured relatable elements like american fighter jets and visual cues which mimicked American cartoons.

>>15804990
>invented protoculture gasoline

Damn, I had forgotten for decades that protoculture was just fuel in robotech. That shit was so stupid

>>15805082
>The whole concept of an idol for example doesn't exist outside Japan. Our singers are nearly always adults, when they aren't it's a freak occurrence.
Explain the huge popularity experienced by the Mickey Mouse Club, back when it still aired.
Even beyond that, in recent times Hannah Montana, Ariane Grande, Lourde, Justin Beiber, and so on all got massively popular in their teens.

>>15805082
>The whole concept of an idol for example doesn't exist outside Japan.

Yes, it does. A 15 Season Reality TV series argues against you.

Sheryl Nome was pretty much a clone of Brittney Spears.

>Our singers are nearly always adults, when they aren't it's a freak occurrence.

Actually a fair number started their careers in their mid to late teens.

>>15805082
Macross shows beyond SDF still feature jetfighters quite prominently

>>15805120
>>15805130
Yeah but the difference is that in the west they're hit stars, not thousands of middleschoolers performing in greasy big city venues for old men who dream about gangbanging them. There's a reason japanese idol groups are plentiful, the girls are always very young, and they work in large groups. They're not there to compose great music hits for the radio, they're there to pander to pervs, and that's why you can find them at a hole-in-the-wall stage on the same block as a brothel front. You tell me if the average american would be fine with a cartoon series about a 13 yr old hannah montana with constant ass shots and revealing clothes.

>>15805148
Dance Moms is a huge hit show in America.
Toddlers and Tiaras is/was pretty popular.

>>15804964
>Aren't the novels some kind of time loop where Minmay is actually the cause of everything?

The End of the Circle. The final,18th volume published in the 1990s. Of course by now Harmony Shit has retconned everything out of existence so who the fuck knows what Minmay has been up to these days in Roboshit.

>>15805148
It more that the Japanese production groups are more often than not taking a shotgun approach to star production. The supergroups are their mostly as dragnets to catch as many potentials as possible as young as possible in order to catch the few superstars that will last a while at the start.

And pretty much every musician starts out at "a hole-in-the-wall stage on the same block as a brothel front."

>>15805082
>. The whole concept of an idol for example doesn't exist outside Japan

Please, if you're going to make such stupid assertions identify yourself as an American.
Idols have long existed outside Japan, maybe not as many but in some countries the concept of an idol is nothing new.
In Italy during the 90s a show called "No e' la Rai" was all about idols. Young teen females led by a fucking 17 year old female all about singing etc... How the fuck is this not idolshit ?
It aired for quite a few years and it was fucking watched by a lot of people. Not only kids, adults also (perverts). The only difference with Japan is that these girls didn't go on concert tours around Italy.
The sexualization of teen bodies (which is what being an idol means) can be found in many cultures and is expressed by different means, tv, concerts etc.... Ok, maybe not in puritan america but you get my drift.

>>15805100
fuel is obviously more important than culture, dummy.

>>15805217
c-could you tell us more about that novel?

>>15805284

>Call it protoculture
>It's just fuel

Sometimes I wonder what went through the minds of the robotech team

>>15804490
Macross II is worth watching for the mecha and Ishtar's hotness. The rest is pretty meh and forgettable.

>>15805551
M2 only has one mecha that isn't butt ugly, the VF-2.

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>>15805284
>End of the Circle

Not that anon but I've read it and here's the highlights I remember.

>Rick and Lisa have a kid they name Roy
>Max and Miriya have a weird psychic kid for reasons
>Another Zor Clone makes a new but shittier Protoculture Matrix so everyone gets magic flower fuel
>Said Zor Clone is shacking up with the town bike, aka Minmei
>A furry named Captain K'rrk of the battleship N'trprise gets owned when a planet reveals itself as Unicron
>When folding to Earth to kick the Invid off the SDF-3 ends up in a new dimension
>New dimension is literally the Invid Regis' consciousness
>Regis decides to do mindfuckery to the SDF-3 crew
>The cast of the Southern Cross and Invid Invasion arcs have dickwaving contests
>Louie Nichols gains psychic powers to operate machines even if they are unpowered for reasons
>That Not!Unicron planet wants to fuck with the Invid Regis for reasons and makes for a black hole
>Everybody not on the SDF-3 goes after Not!Unicron because they think it will lead them to the SDF-3
>Meanwhile on the SDF-3 everyone's kids are having weird seances and for reasons the adults let them build some weird shit

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>>15805590
>The Regis makes a planet and starts disintegrating red shirts when the SDF-3 crew explores it
>Everyone in the real world comes to the conclusion that space folding at the edge of the event horizon of the black hole will take them to the SDF-3 and decide to outfit a rescue ship
>The SDF-3 crew finds an exit (coincidentally the White Hole that corresponds the the Black Hole everyone else is at) but their Spacefold Drive got fucked up again
>The weird psychic kids chant "Ro-Bo-Tech" and summon the SDF-1's fold drive explaining where it went all those years ago
>Everyone Folds at the Same time and escape the Regis' pocket universe except for that Zor Clone and Minmei (who go back in time and birth Zor) and Not!Unicron who moves in with the Regis to be gods of a new universe.
>Everyone gets meaningful encounters with dead characters, both good and evil.
>The New Protoculture Matrix quits working but Louie Nichols and friends have new tech to make everything cool.
>Everyone lives happily ever after

>>15799865
>>15800323
>>15798521
>>15791253
Hi Shrimpy.

>>15805415
>muh shekels

>>15805415
>This Protoculture concept is too complicated for kids to understand
They dumbed it down for the kiddies, the whole "progenitor culture" thing and the implications of it was just way too complicated for American children to wrap their heads around according to 80s studio executives.

>>15805590
>>15805594
Sounds like the product of smoking some 'flowers of life'.

>>15804024

>>Macross F > Macross 7 > Macross Plus >
SDF Macross > Macross Zero

Would that be the reason why Banpresto had only been using Frontier in some recent Super Robot Wars games?

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>>15806624
Why not change the name to something that sounds like magic space fuel? It seems weird to preserve a name in the localisation but change what the name refers to so much.

>>15806755
Laziness, stupidity, and more avenues for Trademark trolling.

>>15806755
Probably was written on text in the show or on some of the toys and they had to reappropriate it somehow.

Also a culture can be something like a bacterial colony, so it's not a complete stretch.

Fuck Robotech tho, and their dumbed down plot and awful narrator, and awful music and even worse minmay songs.

>>15805594
>>15805590
hahaha Robotech is dumb. Is there a drinking game for it? It's so bad it's good.

>>15807686
Every time you'd rather watch Macross, take a sip.

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>>15807812
You'd be unable to move before the OP ended. Then the name-o-rama starts and we'd have to dial the ambulance for you.

>>15799865
Dammit Relena Peacecraft stay out of this

>>15790970
They tried to take on Transformers some time ago but I'm pretty sure they soundly lost.
Been a while since I last read up on it.

>>15798253
Harmony Gold sued Tatsunoko themselves. There's no way in hell they're letting them keep it. (Harmony Gold actually won that case too, and saddled Tatsunoko with both party's legal fees.)

>>15811734
Hey retard
>>15802099
>>15802083
>>15802061

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Perhaps Harmony Gold's business model now is just to occasionally put out some halfassed, incomplete product to maintain their copyright, and turn actual profits purely through lawsuits.

It's how a lot of porn companies work, after all.

When will Harmony Gold and Saban merge to form a Megazord of bullshit?

>>15813513
Isn't HG basically a front for organized crime anyway?

>>15813513

I can't wait for Harmony Shit to die, be sued out of existence, or lose the Macross license for all eternity. Whichever comes first.

People say that now since Tatsunoko lost the case to HG and owes them $500,000 they should be angry at HG and will never extend Macross license.
But you forget that Tatsunoko should be even more angrier at Big West because Tatsunoko lost several cases against them already. And BW is the main reason Tatsunoko had to go to court against HG and lose shiton of money.

I fully expect Tatsunoko to cuck every single Macross fan in 2021 because why would anything nice ever happen in this shitty world?

>>15812573

Tatsunoko has to pay because it was all their fault to begin with by "selling" rights they never had to HG and then never bothering to officially tell them about the rights issues after they lost to BW in Japan (which gave HG the excuse to keep pretending to own Macross).

The arbitration has them paying the fees but the RIGHTS FOR THE DESIGNS WERE FOUND TO NOT BELONG TO HG.

>>15813742
Are they paying damages or something for not appropriately informing HG of what rights were actually purchased?

>>15813691
It seems that if anything this is a loss for both Tatsunoko and HG and a win for Big West and Nue. Which is good for BT fans because BT and Nue are Japanese companies, and I'm betting they won't care enough to sue over a bunch of american grogs and their few slightly infringing designs. As for macross fans and Western releases, this should also be an upside. Tatsunoko only owns the original SDF show; they can't control what happens to, say, Macross Delta because they have nothing legally to do with it. The only entity blocking Macross abroad was HG, and if it's confirmed neither HG nor Tatsunoko has rights over the franchise (which should be the case), Big West and Nue are free to distribute it abroad however they wish.

>>15792955
Pretty sure they're not expecting to win but for people to settle

>>15804174
Atlas does not look like Boss Borot, and the Locust comes from Crusher Joe, not Metal Gear. Get it right jap.

>>15813785
Everything you wrote is correct, except
>Big West and Nue are free to distribute it abroad however they wish.
They can't. All those legal actions were regarding intellectual property, not a single one of them mentioned distribution rights of Macross overseas. It's still a big grey spot and we still won't see Delta or Macross 2018 until it's resolved.

>>15804884
Minmay was always a cunt in Macross. She leads Hikaru on hard and then ends up cucking him for her hippy cousin

>>15806713
Doubtful, since the games until recently have been just released in Japanese.

>>15813923
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the popularity of Frontier. Though Banpresto does have a history with HG and Macross as well. Got into a lawsuit over it with HG back in 2000 as they tried to translate Alpha.

>>15813854
Read the doc or watch the video linked above, it establishes what HG has. They have distribution and marketing rights for SDF and nothing else.

>>15813969
You should re-read them too.
Japanese court said it in 2003. US court only confirmed it (see my pic, Claimant is HG, Respondent is Tatsunoko).
It was 14 years ago.
So why did we not get any Macrosses after 2003 i.e. Zero, Frontier and now Delta?
It's not just about trademarks. Copyright and IP laws are absolutely fucking retarded and you can't use straight logic there.

HG has distribution and marketing rights for SDF and nothing else, but that doesn't mean BW has distribution rights for all other Macrosses overseas.

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>>15813996
>see my pic
Oops

>>15813999
Wasn't it established earlier in that document that -Macross- here only references the original TV series?

>>15813996
Because IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP UNTIL THIS ARBITRATION YOU FUCKING RETARD, up until now HG claimed they owned all the designs and anything similar to them.

>>15814008
Yes, that guy is just an idiot.

>>15814016
>up until now HG claimed they owned all the designs and anything similar to them.
Is this why they fucking changed every single design in every fucking derivative Robotech work after 2003, retard?
BW won the court in fucking 2003. IN OTHER WORDS FOURTEEN YEARS AGO, RETARD. They could go to court several times and then start distributing Frontier and Delta. In fact arbitration papers mention that BW sued HG before. Yet I don't see neither Frontier nor Delta on Crunchyroll or Netflix.

This arbitration was only about intellectual property, retard. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. Not about distribution rights. Those are two different legal concepts. There was no legal action regarding distribution rights at all.

>>15814047
>BW won the court in fucking 2003
In Japan and that had no effect on anything in the US and HG complains that Tatsunoko should have told them about this in the arbitration.

You are literally making up a load of retarded nonsense that outright contradicts everything that is actually happening. Read the document or just fuck off and die you brainless fucking retard.

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>>15814057
So BW were sitting with this japanese ruling for 14 years and not doing anything while losing potential money from distribution of Froniter and Delta? Oh wait, they actually went to court, pic related. HG spent half a million dollars defending against BW. And I just checked Crunchyroll again and didn't find Delta there.

Re-read all the court rulings. The 2002 ruling (there was an appeal in 2003) https://web.archive.org/web/20040806174222/http://www.macross.co.jp/contents/index.html It's about intellectual property, nothing about distribution rights overseas. Re-read arbitration. It's about intellectual property, not about distribution rights. HG doesn't own designs, but the ownership of distribution rights is still an open question.

Literally everyone in this thread says that we won't get Macross in the west until 2021 when Tatsunoko's license expires. And only retard like you believes that BW won something.

>>15814077
>>15814047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrfOtJyJpM

>>15814118
Geez, I wonder where my pics were from. Oh wait, I literally made screenhot of youtube video you posted (53rd minute). Which means you didn't even watch the video, retard, because you would recognized that text. At least try watching short version.
Now fuck off, retard.

>>15814151
Wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrfOtJyJpM

>>15814118
>>15814278
Those are the same links.

>>15813785
HG has never had any real rights to sequels, but they own all the trademarks necessary to market them and BW won't give the rights to anyone that makes a deal with HG.

>>15814047
>>15814077
During the Tatsunoko/Big West fight there was a point where Big West won their first case and thought they had everything and 1) tried to sell SDF Macross toys in the US, 2) filed an injunction against HG from selling SDF Macross merchandise. A year later it was settled that Tatsunoko had "economic rights" to SDF Macross so HG was able to continue on merrily controlling the toy market. That doesn't have anything to do with sequels, which is why Macross Plus still got DVD releases without any HG involvement at the time. Afterwards HG was able to acquire the Macross trademark and cockblock things.

Back in those days the only Macross anime unreleased in the west was 7, which would have been a music licensing nightmare anyways (these days music focused anime are packaged better but back then the OST would be farmed out entirely to one of the big music labels) so all the money was in VF-1 toys.

>>15814278
So I post you screenshots of the court ruling, people posted the original ruling from 2002, Leonard French made a fucking hour video explaining it and yet you still continue believing in some retarded shit Leonard French never actually said in his video because you just like to be ignorant, delusional and simply retarded.

>>15814290
How hard is it to understand that if trademark was the only stopping factor BW would just rename the anime in the west? Or Bandai would just slap a different name on all of its toys and then ship it to the west. Maybe renaming anime is radical, but mecha fans would not give a single fuck what's written on the toy box, those YF-19, VF-25, VF-31 would get pretty good sales here. Also HG registered Macross trademark only in certain countries. It's not trademarked by HG in China yet Delta didn't have a single official stream in China unlike any other anime that season.

>That doesn't have anything to do with sequels, which is why Macross Plus still got DVD releases without any HG involvement at the time. Afterwards HG was able to acquire the Macross trademark and cockblock things.
It was in 2000. Even before Japanese ruling. BW just sold license and it took some time for HG to notice it. Just like it took them 10 years to notice Battletech uses Macross mechs.

All the court ruling say that Tatsunoko/HG owns distribution rights for SDF Macross and its merchandise. BW owns Macross as IP, its designs and all future works after SDF. But not a single court ruling ever mentions distribution rights overseas for Macross overall.

HG claims they own distribution rights for anything related to Macross in the west. There is no court ruling confirming their words. But there is no court ruling denying it. It's an open dispute which is going for years.

>>15814342
>Or Bandai would just slap a different name on all of its toys and then ship it to the west.
Are you brain damaged or Chinese?

>It's not trademarked by HG in China yet Delta didn't have a single official stream in China unlike any other anime that season.
Oh, yes.

Please don't ever try to talk to me about intellectual property law ever again.

>>15814352
Nice response, retard. Those were the most simplest arguments ever and an imbecile like you just go for ad hominem instead. Well, here's some ad hominem for you too.


Also I'll leave these unanswered questions again in case some other retard decides to say that the only stopping factor is trademark.
1) Why Bandai/BW doesn't sell Plus, Frontier and Delta toys overseas with just a different name to avoid trademark disputes?
2) Why didn't Delta have official stream in China even though it's not trademarked there?

>>15811719
Well yeah, Hasbro actually has money. A lot of HG's bullshit happens because they basically target smaller companies, who generally can't defend themselves.

Well, that and the mob ties.

>>15807686
The Robotech novels are actually pretty solid, honestly. They're probably the only worthwhile thing to come out of the whole shitshow, though Harmony Gold completely fucked up the omnibuses.

>>15814360
>1) Why Bandai/BW doesn't sell Plus, Frontier and Delta toys overseas with just a different name to avoid trademark disputes?
Because those aren't normiebait series that justify having domestic distribution. Are you going to ask why you couldn't buy a Zeta Gundam in Wal-Mart you out of touch fuck? HG has never tried to stop imports from those series like they do with VF-1s.

>2) Why didn't Delta have official stream in China even though it's not trademarked there?
Who the fuck cares? Only every other season of Symphogear has been streamed in English, does that mean there's a legal dispute? Maybe they don't want to release individual series in international markets until they unify everything. There's no conceivable way that HG has distribution rights for Macross Delta.

>>15814342
>BW just sold license and it took some time for HG to notice it.
This was an obvious fucking lie by the way you stupid fuck. HG never tried to get retailers to pull their Plus DVDs while they were sending cease and desists over VF-1 models.

>>15814478
> Are you going to ask why you couldn't buy a Zeta Gundam in Wal-Mart you out of touch fuck?
I found a GP-02 at Toys R Us once. That was almost 20 years ago, though.

>>15814478
>Are you going to ask why you couldn't buy a Zeta Gundam in Wal-Mart
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bandai-Hobby-HGUC-1-144-Mk-II-TITANS-Zeta-Gundam-Model-Kit/50752203
Ahahahahahaha. Just kill yourself, retard.

>HG has never tried to stop imports from those series like they do with VF-1s.
Because there are none? Everyone in US is buying those toys from japanese amazon. And you can buy VF-1 on Japanese amazon and ship it to US without any problems too.

>Only every other season of Symphogear has been streamed in English
You mean every single one of them except for the latest one which is still airing and might later get Netlix binge treatment?

>>15814589
You're an idiot; that's Walmart's online store which is trying to be like Amazon and allows third party sellers.

https://www.walmart.com/reviews/seller/866?offerId=EFCF15A6C2EB46ED9ECDF3E036C5498F

Not going to find it in an aisle.

>>15814644
And? It's still sold in US. If someone is interested in "non-normiebait" Zeta Gundam then surely someone will be interested in VF toys too. So why is Bandai not selling VFs in US? All they need to do is to remove word Macross from the box. For example just leave "1/XX Frontier Durandal YF-29 qwertasdf series".

>>15814708
>Rebranding niche robot toys for sale in the US to a tiny demographic.

Also that reseller is a comic book shop catering to anime fans.

https://galactictoys.com/

>>15814712
>Also that reseller is a comic book shop catering to anime fans.
I'm not even sure what's your point. Anime fans are the only ones buying those gundam toys in the first place.
If battletech fans buy robotech shit for their collections than surely macross fans would be able to buy VF toys without word "macross" on the box.

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>>15814751
Battletech fans paid into one kickstarter selling in scale 1/300 / 6mm kits that were compatible with Battletech. Some people do play BT in 1/144 / 12mm scale, but not many. I1/72 or 1/100 kits would be pretty useless to people playing Battletech who use their miniatures for wargaming. In addition, not all BT players care about the unseen; in fact, I'd hazard that most actually don't aside from a little grudge. You can get the old miniatures through recasters or on ebay if you want them anyway. If they're not the size of a 28mm miniature, BT players don't care.

In addition, you're asking Bandai to repackage, rebrand, etc entire lines of models and merchandise to strip off the name 'Macross' for a tiny, unproven demographic (Macross isn't nearly as big as Gundam in North America) when people can just buy the things from HLJ and such if they want them (and a lot of the time it'll be cheaper too). If you cannot see how that is completely illogical for Bandai to do, then you're an idiot or deluded or both And I don't mean that in a mocking way, I mean that with all sincerity and no ill wishes.

>>15814342
>All the court ruling say that Tatsunoko/HG owns distribution rights for SDF Macross and its merchandise. BW owns Macross as IP, its designs and all future works after SDF. But not a single court ruling ever mentions distribution rights overseas for Macross overall.
>HG claims they own distribution rights for anything related to Macross in the west. There is no court ruling confirming their words. But there is no court ruling denying it. It's an open dispute which is going for years.

I see the point, but there's no way it's as open as you describe. HG/Tatsunoko acquired exclusive distribution for SDF, but what does that have to do with the rest of Macross? Shouldn't distribution of something by default belong to the makers of it, and only to someone else if agreed to? In other words, not tatsunoko/HG?

Seems like it would be okay for BW or Nue to just sell what they want of Delta, 7, etc, and wait for HG to bring a misguided suit against them. It doesn't sound like HG would have much of a case outside of the ridiculous copyright business.

>>15814794
Companies don't like to spend money on court cases. If BW/Nue think they'd waste more money fighting HG than they'd get by selling stuff then they won't try to sell stuff in the US until they're sure HG has no possible claim at all.

>>15814790
That demographic would be definitely bigger if they stripped word Macross from Delta anime.

>>15814794
Logic is not applicable in copyright legal cases. The court ruling regarding Macross copyright was in 2003. Yet HG was suing everyone and continue suing even now. You would think that "HG wouldn't have much of a case", but apparently that battletech continues getting hit and the case is still going on right now.

>>15814862
That's because Harmony Gold knows CGL is a soft target. They're incompetent as fuck, barely have any money and have a massive history of mismanagement.

>>15814862
>Yet HG was suing everyone and continue suing even now. You would think that "HG wouldn't have much of a case", but apparently that battletech continues getting hit and the case is still going on right now.
That's because all it takes is for one company to settle and sign a non-disclosure for everyone else to decide it's not worth the trouble of fighting.

>>15799037
OOC, how did Macross Plus get released internationally? I don't think any other Macross show has come out in the US

>>15803356
you must mean it was hated, in Japan. even though the OVAs got made into a theatrical film and the mecha are constantly getting toys made of them.

I am pretty sure it is beloved, in the West. in fact, I thought most Western fans are disappointed with the later Macross shows, because their first taste of the series was Plus

>>15803359
This.
Idols sell
Music sells
Moe sells.

My hope that they one day make a 08th MS team style macross series that focuses exclusively on the destroids and their pilots will never happen.

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https://robotech.com/news/coming-soon-robotech-mini-console-games-from-coleco
>Harmony Gold teaming up with bootleg Coleco
>Going to release a Robotech mini arcade
>It just emulates Robotech The Macross Saga from the GBA developed by Lucky Chicken Games & published by TDK Mediactive (now called Take-Two Licensing)
What the actual fuck? How is any of this plan possible?

Gameplay from Coleco Toys youtube page
>still shows Nintendo and TDK trademarks @ 0:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_u0J8ShesU

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>>15815895

>>15815268
Harmony Gold got the license rights to SDF Macross and nothing else.

They kept those terms until they realized they could bully the fuck out of the small companies doing localizations and aggressively started legally threatening any company that tried to do so anywhere in the world.

I don't know if it was to prevent competition or in hopes of getting some money out of the court cases, but it's what shut down Macross worldwide for good.

How the hell HG's cartoon branch of whatever it is called does to stay economically viable? All those fuckers do is to sit in three old ass IP and milks them to death. I mean, surely even their most hardcore fans would get eventually tired of them milking to death and undeath the same three stories, specially with how they put a lot more emphasis in the "macross saga"

>>15814794
>Seems like it would be okay for BW or Nue to just sell what they want of Delta, 7, etc, and wait for HG to bring a misguided suit against them. It doesn't sound like HG would have much of a case outside of the ridiculous copyright business.

It seems BW/Nue managed to copyright the term Macross Delta in Europe and Australia notwithstading those fucktards of Harmony Shit.
We will see if this means that finally Europeans and Australians can have access to localized versions of the anime and merchandise. It's cheaper that importing from Japan that's for sure. I just hope BW can fucking trademark Macross Frontier and 7 in Europe. Those are the only 2 relatively modern Macross shows I'm interested in. The Italians had managed to do a faithful dub of DYRL but never publish the damn film on dvd because of Harmony Shit in the early 2000s. Who knows with what is happening maybe DYRL will finally have the long awaited Italian localized dvd or even better blu-ray version.

>>15816747
Because there are faggots who already bought all the 10 exclusive DVD box sets.

>>15816866
>Because there are faggots who already bought all the 10 exclusive DVD box sets

You know those fans that bought 10 exclusive DVD box sets. Those are the fans that will flock to Macross once Harmony Shit loses its license to SDF Macross. No sane man/woman or child wants Robotech when Macross is freely available. That goes for the tv shows as well as the merchandise.

It surprises me how can there be people who still buys harmony shit stuff despite in this day and age it is more than obvious for everybody that those cunts keeps the macross brand as hostage to cockblock any attempts at bringing official macross franchise here.

Besides, "Robotech" is a stagnant franchise that goes nowhere while Macross is still producing new entries in the series instead of fellating original macross all the time

Does Harmony Gold pursue Mospeada and Southern Cross with the same fervor they pursue Macross infringement?

"Someone's making money and we want our cut."

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>>15815894
If I buy this and use it to output vid related - https://youtu.be/kgMIwuUsOME - will Harmony Gold send me a C&D letter?

>>15817235
Maybe, maybe they will steal your art/video and use it for promotional material of Robotech The Macross Saga. Of course not crediting or paying you in any way. Harmony Shit are mafia.
Stay away from them, the toys they license or any other thing that's remotely connected with those fuckers. We must starve them to death.
They have already taken hostage Macross for 40 fucking years, it's time it stops once and for all.

>>15817224
>Does Harmony Gold pursue Mospeada and Southern Cross with the same fervor they pursue Macross infringement?"Someone's making money and we want our cut."

They would if anyone gave a shit about Southern Cross or Mospeada. Unfortunately those 2 shows DO have a couple of nice mechas but nothing can be done about it. Southern Cross and Mospeada are legally Harmony Shit to do as they please.
I would pay maybe 200$ max for a really nice transformable Spartas Hovertank (that wasn't all plastic). But not if it comes from Harmony Shit.

>>15817263
>Maybe, maybe they will steal your art/video and use it for promotional material of Robotech The Macross Saga.

Does anyone have screencaps from that Robotech game they wanted to make, where they had a ship that had GN Buster Swords as tailfins?

So, how long until Weissman and Tatsunoko teams up and flips their shit against HG

HG is still being investigated for Tax Evasion, Fraud(Said fraud helped on the 2008 crisis), and involvement with corruption since THEY were involved on Berlusconi Scandals.

Also Robotech Comic its One of THE WORST comics released over the last month and Sony isn't happy with HG's bullshit with the movie rights, they gave to them and they cant use it.

>>15817224

Nobody's tried to make money woth Mospeda and Southern Cross in the last 20 years so.....

>>15817909
> Sony isn't happy with HG's bullshit with the movie rights, they gave to them and they cant use it.
They can
>The Original Agreements and Operative Agreements grant Claimant the right to make derivative works of the Programs and Robotech, including live action motion picture adaptations, and Claimant has not produced any unlicensed works;
They just can't use characters/designs from SDF. Also license expires in 2021, but Sony is rich enough to buy it from Tatsunoko. And Sony is retarded enough they might try to pull this off (see Ghostbusters and Emoji movie).

>>15817984
>They can

They can't. Sony wants to make a franchise based on Macross and they're screwed big time because the story concept belongs din din din to Big West not Tatsunoko and certainly not Harmony Shit.
All they can do is a generic alien versus humanity story with F-22 raptors thrown in.
In other words another generic sci-fi flick no one gives a damn about. And about as successful as Battleship or any of those stupid sc-fi flicks Sony is know for. Harmony Shit bamboozeld Warner Bros (who at least threw the towel on the project realising the futility of it). Sony is still in the denial stage (yeah we're going to make Macross a success worldwide. Oh if only they knew...).

>>15818890
> All they can do is a generic alien versus humanity story with F-22 raptors thrown in.
I don't think Macross has a trademark on singing, though. They could still have song be the ultimate weapon.

>>15818894
>I don't think Macross has a trademark on singing, though. They could still have song be the ultimate weapon.

Giant aliens
War against humans
Transformable airplanes (F-22)
Singer that saves the day with a song that send the aliens in culture shock

The courts are gonna have a field day on this one. Sony is fucked if they use all these elements. Each one poses no problem, but when you put them together you'd have to be an idiot not to see Macross lurking in the background.

I only hear about Macross when MechWarrior is involved. What is the interest level in states? Is there are large market to exploit? It seems like everyone wants Macross and robotec to go away so MechWarrior can be at peace.

>>15819058

Studio NUE did the japanese BTech Designs, one of the main things that atracted mos japanese players into Mechwarrior and Btech franchise, they also onwn a bit of Btech rights in japan.

in fact, the Japanese Marauder became the King Crab.

>>15819926
>the Japanese Marauder became the King Crab
That's pretty impressive considering that the King Crab predates the Japanese release of the game by three years.

>>15820010

look at the japanese marauder, its looks like a KGC-000 with a top PPC

>>15818890
>because the story concept belongs din din din to Big West not Tatsunoko and certainly not Harmony Shit.
Sorry, but that's only your retarded and completely ignorant din din din opinion which doesn't matter for US court.

I already quoted US court ruling regarding live action adaptation rights.
Tatsunoko in 1985 granted HG the right to create derivative work (including movie adaptation) based on SDF Macross. in 2002 Japanese court ruling decided that BW owns all character/mech designs from SDF, see >>15798857. The same ruling is mentioned in the last Tatsunoko vs HG case. That's why US court said HG can't use those character/mech designs. But there are no mentions that BW owns "story concept" not in japanese court ruling nor in US court ruling.

The whole document is in the Leonard French video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrfOtJyJpM
Can people in this thread please watch that stupid video? It's only 1 hour long.

>>15820073
>Tatsunoko in 1985 granted HG the right to create derivative work (including movie adaptation) based on SDF Macross. in 2002 Japanese court ruling decided that BW owns all character/mech designs from SDF, see >>15798857. The same ruling is mentioned in the last Tatsunoko vs HG case. That's why US court said HG can't use those character/mech designs. But there are no mentions that BW owns "story concept" not in japanese court ruling nor in US court ruling.

Yeah, because Big West made all those other Macross shows completely illegally and shit. Why would they even care?

They couldn't give less of a fuck about the original Valkyrie or the bridge bunnies when they, Bandai and Studio Nue sued Tatsunoko. They were suing them to confirm their ownership of the IP (and their ability to make further derivative works in it) by getting the courts to rule that Tatsunoko owned the worldwide distribution rights to SDF Macross and absolutely nothing else.

Where you're being retarded is bringing up the wrong court case.
There were several, the one quoted by you is the one the BTech people are the most happy about because it confirms they are stealing from Studio Nue, not Harmony Gold.

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>>15820141
What a fast response. You definitely didn't watch the video.

>Where you're being retarded is bringing up the wrong court case.
I mentioned 2 court rulings that actually matter (BW vs Tatsunoko in 2002 and HG vs Tatsunoko in 2017). Please cite at least one document confirming your stupid opinion. At least one fucking document. You didn't cite anything, it's just your stupid opinion.

Also why the fuck is "ruling.jpg" in spam filter?

>>15790970
>https://www.pcgamesn.com/battletech/battletech-robotech-lawsuit
pgi is a dogshit company of greedy fucks, they new what would happen if they released those mechs but russ just can't resist that coke and vegas money.

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>>15820186
>You didn't cite anything, it's just your stupid opinion.

Which part did you not understand you goddamn imbecile?
Big West owns all the rights to make derivative works to Macross. Not Tatsunoko, and definitely not Harmony Gold.

If your shitty claims were true. DYRL would be illegal, so would Macross 2. All 40 or so games. Macross 7, Macross Frontier, Macross Delta. All the numerous OVAs. The Frontier duology. The endless hordes of Macross merchandise based on these over the 35 years of its existence. All that is totally illegal according to you.

>>15820225
I fucking posted the court ruling, retard.

>If your shitty claims were true. DYRL would be illegal, so would Macross 2
I see you're completely fucking retarded and can't read at all. So I'll explain it to you like you have 10 IQ (you probably have less).
See my pic >>15820186. In 1998 Big West sued Tatsunoko and claimed it owns EXCLUSIVE rights to make sequels. EXCLUSIVE as in they are the only ones who can make sequels and no one else. Big West lost the fucking case in 2003 and appeliate in 2005. It means Big West doesn't own EXCLUSIVE rights to make sequels. But that doesn't mean Big West can't make sequels at all. It means Big West has NON-EXCLUSIVE rights to make sequels. That's how they made DYRL, Plus, 7, Zero, Frontier and Delta. The only EXCLUSIVE rights of Big West in SDF are the rights for 41 design. No one can use them except for Big West. That's what EXCLUSIVE means. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/exclusive

Meanwhile you still didn't cite anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaUgk9JMQrw

oh hey look who pops up at the front of a kung fu movie

>>15820254
Yeah, right. You're telling me Tatsunoko could make another Macross show for 35 years and instead they got into a bunch of lawsuits, got nothing out of them and continue to twiddle their thumbs without the slightest bit of royalties.

>Meanwhile you still didn't cite anything
Here's everything written up and cross-referenced with all the Japanese cases and crap.
http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/topic/36541-concerning-harmony-gold-and-robotech/

>>15820385
>You're telling me Tatsunoko could make another Macross show for 35 years
Yes. They could.
But they don't own designs and they don't own the fucking trademark in Japan. They also don't have Kawamori, fans would never accept this alternative sequel. That's why they don't do it, because it's fucking retarded.
But Tatsunoko sold those rights to HG and now they are planning to make derivative work (live action movie). And US court CONFIRMED that.

>Here's everything written up and cross-referenced with all the Japanese cases and crap.
I have read it years ago. Every Macross fan from /m/ has read it years ago. And here is one of the crosslinks:
>"Tatsunoko Wins Macross Lawsuit" - http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2004-02-23/tatsunoko-wins-macross-lawsuit
>Tatsunoko Pro has won the latest round in the ongoing Macross lawsuits. Presiding Supreme Court Judge, Hiroshi Fukuda, has dismissed Studio Nue's appeal, recognizing and cementing the ruling that Tatsunoko Pro OWNS THE COPYRIGHT for Super Dimensional Fortress Macross. Having been dismissed by the Supreme Court, this case can not be apealed any further and the ruling is final.
>In a separate court case, currently under appeal at the Supreme Court, the Tokyo High Court ruled that Studio Nue owns the CHARACTER DESIGNS related to Super Dimensional Fortress Macross.
It literally says the same thing as my picture in >>15820186.

You were probably confused by
>However, the intellectual property rights (copyrights) for SDF Macross still resides with Big West.
But this is just another opinion without any source.

>>15820021
So what exactly are you claiming? That FASA took Kawamori's design and traveled back in time and based the King Crab on it?

>>15820572
Depending on how long it took for them to create the Battletech Jap edition, it wouldn't be impossible.

For instance, modern Battletech has Lu Wei Bing and the MW:O redesign of Victor. They look almost exactly the same.
Lu Wei Bing came out earlier than the publication of Victor's concept art.
HOWEVER, we know that the Victor's concept art was done almost a year prior to that and that the design went the other way around, not in chronological order of releases.

Though I'm not that anon and saying he's right. Just that his claims aren't exactly complete bullshit especially considering how strongly alike the two things designs are.

>>15820416
To make this clear, there were 2 court cases that happened in Japan. The first was in 2002, and the second in 2005. In the first case's ruling, it affirmed that BW/SN owns the intellectual property to Macross. Which means they are the only one who can produce derivative works based on SDF Macross (which they have proven for the last 30 years). In the second case, Tatsunoko won the copyright to the SDF Macross animation. As some people have already said, they own the animation but not the designs and concepts. HG can not create derivative works based on Macross because Tatsu do not own the IP and can not give something they don't own to HG.

>>15821319
>In the first case's ruling, it affirmed that BW/SN owns the intellectual property to Macross. Which means they are the only one who can produce derivative works based on SDF Macross (which they have proven for the last 30 years).
Source, retard?
Here's the court ruling from 2002: http://www.courts.go.jp/app/files/hanrei_jp/386/011386_hanrei.pdf
It says that BW owns 36 designs (the other 5 probably were added in later cases) from SDF and Tatsunoko has the copyright for SDF. It doesn't say anything about Macross as intellectual IP. I repeat: COURT RULING DOES NOT USE TERM "MACROSS IP". Only copyright for SDF and 36 (41) designs.
And BW just uses their copyrighted characters/designs to make derivative works.
Why is everyone in this thread a fucking retard who forms their opinion based on retarded article from wikipedia written by yet another retard?

>HG can not create derivative works based on Macross because Tatsu do not own the IP and can not give something they don't own to HG.
US Court studied Japanese US court ruling from 2002/2005 and determined that HG is ALLOWED to create derivative works (excluding 41 characters/designs).
I repeat, US court was aware about BW vs Tatsunoko case. And it determined that HG is allowed to create derivative works based on SDF.
That's the fucking court ruling, there is nothing more to it.
Leonardo French is a fucking lawyer and he reitarated/confirmed it in his video
Sony has shitton of lawyers and I'm sure they read all the papers before buying license.
Meanwhile not a single retard in this thread provided a single link yet.