Devilman Crybaby

I don't like the art direction. It takes Go Nagai's distinct visual style and *completely* throws it out for something that looks pretty generic. But everything else about it seems really promising, so I'll definitely be checking it out. The most it'll cost me is time.

I don't care about the art style, but they did ruin Ryo and Akira's character designs.

>>15779748
Alright it's time to fess up, which one you fuckers is running Netflix's anime department? It seems like most of their stuff is made exclusively for /m/.

>>15779763
I'm mixed about it. I think Amon looks fantastic however Fudo looks ok and Ryo just looks hideous.

>>15779772
Amon does look good. Pretty much the highlight for the trailer. I'll focus on the good.

>>15779770
>Netflix saves anime by making it so studios don't have to pander to moefags
>they immediately start making the most /m/ works that they can
It's what they always wanted to do, but couldn't.

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>>15779748

To understand the art style you need to familiarize yourself with Masaaki Yuasa.

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To understand the art style you need to familiarize yourself with Hisashi Hirai.

>>15779748
> Knights of Sidonia
> Blame!
> Kuro Makura
> Cyborg 009 vs Devilman
> Cyborg 009 Call of Justice
> Castlevania
> Devilman Crybaby

Not to mention all the /m/echa anime they host on Netflix.

>>15779848
Except it is false equivalence.

Masaaki Yuasa is one of the most eccentric visionaries of modern anime having worked on everything from movies to tv series to doing guest episodes on other shows (Space Dandy, Adventure Time). While his signature art style is an acquired taste there's no denying the man's many accomplishments and his well earned praise as an Artist's Artist.

Where as Hisashi Hirai is just another period specific artist who's been attached to a handful of popular series of questionable quality that have been divisive at best.

>>15779878
Whateves dude.

>>15779855
Don't forget Voltron

>>15779883
Nice counter argument, back to your gundam threads.

>>15779894
This isn't a debate tournament chillax brah.

>>15779763
i must agree. it looks shitty. i'm excited there's a new devilman series, but it looks like shit. i have a feeling it's going to be extremely toned down compared to the original material and ovas.

>>15779830
t. maaaaki yousa fanboy

>>15779830
Maybe Masaaki Yuasa should've familiarized himself with Go Nagai instead.

>>15779878
Your post honestly bothers me.

I've sat here for like 5 minutes staring at it and I'm just wondering what would be the point of writing out something like that.

You've put up Yuasa on such a pretentious pedestal that anyone who will read your post will find themselves turned off and wanting nothing to do with Yuasa or his works.

This is a problem because he's responsible for quite a few good things that I think people should check out like Mind Games and Kaiba.

Then you've degraded Hisashi Hirai into being just "that SEED guy" with your post, when Hisashi's been responsible for some pretty amazing scenes and sequences of fluid character animation.

You come off as less of a fan of actual animation and sakuga and more off as an idiot jerking it to whatever twitter or podcast circlejerk you happen to be part of or follow religiously. The kind of person who spends too much time talking about art but very little time actually viewing it.

Let it go and just be a fan of animation, don't let the pretentiousness clout your judgment.

A well animated scene is a well animated scene. You don't need to prove yourself as some high class connoisseur because some guy online touts Yuasa as being avantgarde.

They both have their pros and their cons. They both have amazingly well crafted scenes and poorly animated jumbles.

>>15779763
How the fuck does this look generic at all? What anime have you been watching that looks anything like this?

I'm guessing you're one of those grognards that refuse to enjoy anything made past 1999.

>>15779991
It looks like Gatchman Crowds.

>>15780013
Are you talking about the color choices or what? Because the character designs look nothing alike and the animation style isn't similar at all.

>>15779878
Okay digibro.

>>15780013
What?
Gatchaman Crowds also wasn't generic or anything either, the fuck?

Seriously, don't talk about things you don't know about. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>15780013
It looks nothing like gatchaman crowds. Gatchaman crowds was certainly not generic either

>>15779989
I love you VF-kun, this is an actually good reply. It's respectful and doesn't go "Yuasa is shit you faggot, kill yourself". What I'm trying to say is... Can I suck your dick?

>>15779991
Original guy you were responding to here. I suppose I should say the *character designs* look generic in a relative sense.

It's not like I don't think it can work, but with Yuasa I think this can only work if the animation looks as normal as possible for the parts that have nothing to do with the demons.

Won't this be the first tv series ever of Devilman that has Ryou in it?

>>15780180
Something like that. I believe it's been 40 years since he's appeared on an actual TV series, instead of OVAs and whatnot.

>>15780180
>>15780208
Devilman Lady anime

>>15779748
>Yuasashit ruining Devilman
fuck, this looks like garbage, Yuasa is a shit directer, hes never actually made anything good, and this is a blight upon the franchise.

>>15780230
You're probably right. How was it? I never watched it.

>>15780230
That doesn't count and you know it.

>>15780253
>hes never actually made anything good

I liked Tatami Galaxy. But i agree that why the fuck would you have him direct a full adaptation of one of the most beloved manga of the 70s? Why him specifically? Was his name drawn from a hat?

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>>15779763
>Yuasa
>generic

>>15779989
Honestly you turned me off on Hirai right now and on to Yuasa with this post

It's funny you blame Yuasa when he wasn't even the character designer.

Why does VF-kun always turn his trip off to suck his own sick and samefag? His posts are fucking cringeworthy.

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Maybe they should have gotten Kawagoe to do a one for one adaptation of Devilman. The designers who worked on this are far more convincing than Yuasa's picks.

It also had the best Jinmen scene so far.

>>15781174
what's this from?

>>15781226
Were you living under a rock?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECnBjf4sdjg

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>>15780417
>But i agree that why the fuck would you have him direct a full adaptation of one of the most beloved manga of the 70s? Why him specifically?
Because he is a good director with a unique visual style, a gift for frenetic action and giving things an almost dreamlike visual flair, a good writer/director, and arguably the best anime director currently in the business? Also I would imagine it was Go Nagai's call, as it usually is with his IPs, and he probably liked what Yuasa brought to the table.

If I were in charge my first choice would be Kawagoe but considering how fucking awful Devilman vs Cyborg 009 was I wouldn't want anyone from that project touching Devilman again, at least not something as big as this. Yuasa makes sense to me because I feel he the only one that can truly emulate a style reminiscent of Nagai's best stuff, like pic related, but with his own spin on it.

But why crybaby?

>>15781480
It's what Miki calls Akira before he becomes Devilman

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>"the entirety of Devilman will finally be portrayed in Devilman Crybaby"

Does that mean they'll go full homo?

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>>15781552
wrong pic

>>15781557
Fuck Shin Devilman

>>15779748
It looks like shit.

Yuasa is trash

>>15781552
>>15781557
Ryo deserves to die.

Why is devilman /m/ related? Srs question?

>>15781618
Go Nagai, Tokusatsu adaptations, countless crossovers with mecha shows, being an old Toei show, the argument that """technically""" Akira is piloting Amon's body. It touches a lot of little things and by most definitions it's not, but traditionally it and the overall works of Go Nagai have always been accepted here and that's why we see Violence Jack and other stuff discussed here.

>>15781426
>how fucking awful Devilman vs Cyborg 009
Get some taste.

>>15781618
>Why is devilman /m/ related?
Because it's toku

>>15781645
Awful isn't fair but it's certainly nowhere near the realm of good

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>>15781628
It helps that Devilman in general has a weird intertwined history with the grandaddy of all modern super robot shows.

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>>15781699

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>>15781706

>>15779748

All these Netflix animes and still no more Sidonia.

>>15781618
Truthfully? It isn't. Devilman shouldn't be allowed on this board, but we have no moderation so whatever.

>>15781664
>Awful isn't fair but it's certainly nowhere near the realm of good
again, get some taste

>>15781744
toku is /m/

>>15781797
Toku that is based on a primarily anime/manga series goes to /a/, as per the rules.

>>15781794
I mean, you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree. Ultimately it wasn't much of a success so why tie down a potential new flagship entry onto a crew that made something with lukewarm reception at best?

>>15781815
>Ultimately it wasn't much of a success
It's the best selling Go Nagai related anime since New Getter Robo.

>>15781426
>Also I would imagine it was Go Nagai's call, as it usually is with his IPs
Go Nagai is incredibly liberal with his IPs. As far as I gather, the only info he really gets is about the format and concept of the work, and then gives the OK if he's fine with it. He'll probably see some design drafts or attend events but he never meddles in the actual production. That's why he has everyone from borderline amateur mangaka to big industry veterans adapting his works, with wildly varying levels of quality.

>>15781811
In that case Kamen Rider should go to /a/.

>>15781823
>It's the best selling Go Nagai related anime since New Getter Robo.
Say Dynamic Pro related, it's like you're trying to set off my autism.

And was it? I'd like to see some numbers about it's success. It no doubt did better than Shin Mazinger but I know SKL did very well. I imagine the whole Netflix licensing and more mainstream status of anime in the west helped it do better than some older titles, but I remember it still was a very middle of the road success.

>>15781852
Before I give you the numbers, how much do you think Shin and SKL sold?

>>15781858
I won't pretend I have exact numbers, but I do know Shin sold abysmally, at least for its production, and SKL was an overall success. Sorry I don't know anything more specific than that.

>>15781871
>SKL was an overall success
Based on what? Because I got the numbers and they're pitiful.

>Shin sold abysmally
It sold better than SKL, Jeeg and Enma-kun. Its sales weren't good, but they weren't abysmal.

>>15781876
>Because I got the numbers and they're pitiful.
Can I see the numbers?

>>15781157
I'm not him, I just agreed with what he said and the way he worded it. People can agree on things, anon.

>>15781880
Post revision

Shin Mazinger Shougeki! Z-Hen

DVD
vol.01 1,835
vol.02 *,***
vol.03 1,177
vol.04 *,***
vol.05 *,***
vol.06 *,***
vol.07 *,***
vol.08 *,***
vol.09 *,***

Blu-ray
vol.01 1,260
vol.02 1,001
vol.03 *,***

According to http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view, the average of Shin was 2,367 copies. You'll have to look up what algorithm the guy who runs the site uses to calculate that stat.

To say it performed abysmally isn't quite accurate. Many series these days don't even make it to 1k due to fierce competition.

Mazinkaiser SKL

DVD
No stats for the DVD

Blu-ray
vol.01 *,***
vol.02 *,***
vol.03 *,341

The stars mean the volumes didn't sell enough to be ranked. The 1st dvd did come with an SRC, and was quite pricey, so while they may not have sold as much, they probably made some of their money on that combo pack, which I do remember getting.

>>15781835
Nagai did say that Yuasa and the production committee came to him and asked for his permission. And he said that he only okay-ed it because they said that they wanted to adapt the whole Manga. If it werent for that he wouldnt have allowed it.
He also said the with Yuasa as a director he can feel at ease because he made great works in the past.
He said the same thing recently when he reveiwed Lu over the wall, where he said that he cant wait to see how Yuasa adapts Devilman into anime.

>>15781910
I see I overestimated the success of Mazinkaiser. However I will point out that low sales of a 3 part OVA are very different from a TV series only having two Blu-ray's sell at a decent number. Cost to gain is different between these series so when adjusted to scale Shin Mazinger looks like a way bigger failure than SKL.

I also think if there's any adaptation of Mazinger that Nagai would like, it's SKL.

>>15781900
This is how he says it sold per volume
http://www.someanithing.com/376

1 2,182
2 1,413
3 1,177
4 1,034
5 1,027
6 1,029
7 948
8 859
9 888

The average posted included the BD Boxes which was released within the same span. Overall it did not do well but the threshold who Dynamic Pro properties aren't high to begin with and a lot of them get most of their profit through merchandise and pachinko.

>>15781925
SKL was made for promotion of its figure than anything else so its DVD/BD sales didn't matter.

>>15781925
And you would be correct. TV series has more exposure, so technically they should be doing better, but still calling Shin Mazinger a huge failure isn't quite that. Look at the other averages from the same year.

http://www.someanithing.com/139

It didn't do well enough to get a sequel, yup, but it didn't do abysmally bad. Abysmal sales would be something like Samurai Flamenco and Gifuu Doudou (Imagawa worked on that in 2013, and I didn't see it get ranked anywhere)

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>>15781946
>Abysmal sales would be something like Samurai Flamenco
Please don't remind me how badly SamFlam sold.

>>15781932
Those are updated figures. I didn't remember those when the figures were first released in 2009.

So that does put Shin Mazinger above Cyborg 009 vs Devilman.

>>15781925
Let me just post Cyborg 009 vs Devilman figures for comparison. Remember this is an OVA we're talking about.

Bluray
Special Edition 1,525
Standard Edition 563

DVD
Vol.01 291
Vol.02 336
Vol.03 362

This puts the total at 3077 copies sold. Not bad at all. I'm not sure how to calculate the average on that considering all 3 volumes were bundled together for the BD.

>>15781937
Also it's important to remember the SKL ova was shown at bandai visual's anime festival too. They probably got a cut from that as well.

https://web.archive.org/web/20111209025816/http://www.animefes-vs.jp/

>>15781850
No, Kamen Rider is primarily a toku franchise. Notice how I didn't mention anything about first releases. It's reason why the Sailor Moon toku has gotten people banned on /m/.

>>15782068
>primarily a toku franchise
Shotaro Ishinomori is a manga artist, and made KR manga.

You don't get to decide what's "primarily toku" what isn't.

Mods said toku is /m/, and that's final. He didn't offer any other specifics.

>It's reason why the Sailor Moon toku has gotten people banned on /m/.
We've had countless Devilman threads, and I know both the mods and janitors are watching, given I got the ban from the mod a few times in the past.

What gives? If they didn't want it, Devilman would have been gone from this place already. Either put up with it or go complain to the administration.

>>15782083
>You don't get to decide what's "primarily toku" what isn't.
No, but the mods do. They made a very clear distinction between Kamen Rider and something like the Sailor Moon toku. Eat shit, newfag.

>>15782092
>No, but the mods do.
>They made a very clear distinction between Kamen Rider and something like the Sailor Moon toku
Cool for you, but looks like there has been no judgement passed on Devilman. Are you a moderator? No, then shut the fuck up.

So fuck off back to /qa/ where you can jerk off about the board not belonging to you.

>>15782149
You're illiterate.

>>15781426
>Yuasa makes sense to me because I feel he the only one that can truly emulate a style reminiscent of Nagai's best stuff
The man that did the Devilman OVAs could, if he didn't die of cancer.

>>15782194
You are.

Learn to read what the mods said.

>>15782267
>>15782271
If only they actually looked like that, but this is just fanart.

There's no way Yuasa can make them look this good.

>>15782287
Those are the actual character designs.

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I just need to see how the MY FATHER DIED scene looks.

It just dawned on me what bothers me about the designs. It's the lack of Nagai sideburns.

>>15782301
They're based on Yuasa's, but they're not official.

Pretty sure it's a fan artist who did those.

What I'm saying is I doubt Yuasa can keep these characters on model. Even then, Akira doesn't pass for a wimp enough.

I need to see his official design, pre-transformation.

>>15782310
>It's the lack of Nagai sideburns.
Late. Everyone on twitter and tumblr are crying their eyes out over the sideburns.

>>15782341
And why would you know what those sites are saying?

I guess Devilman counts like Shin Godzilla counts, even though there are no mecha in Shin Godzilla unless you count those cranes at the end.

>>15779893
>Don't forget Voltron

I already have lol

Wow /m/ sure has some contrarian fellows doesn't it now?

>>15782401
Not that guy, but you can browse more than one website. We're not children which pick a side and that's the only place we stay at.

>>15782419
Godzilla is a toku franchise.

>>15782287
Yuasa is not the character designer. He is the Director. The character designer of wolfs rain is the same for this one. She normally does a great job, no idea whats up with the lack of sideburns.

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>>15779748
The way y'all stay talking about devilman has made me curious. I started reading today, I'm now 300+ pages in and all I'm seeing is antique edgelord shit. This is the Death Note of 1872. Please tell me this goes somewhere.

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>>15782687
sploop, silly me i meant 1972

>>15782687
>>15782713
What makes you think I give a shit about you and your opinion? What makes you think that you are important?

This is a Go Nagai club circlejerk thread. You don't matter. Stick to your dumbdam threads and stop annoying people.

And let that be a note to anyone who wants to join in. Fuck off. Newfags aren't welcome.

>>15782687
I know. I can't believe so many people think something so trashy can be regarded as some sort of timeless masterpiece. But this is /m/ for ya.

>>15783009
Stop samefagging, Pablo

I'm going to skin whoever's trying to derail this thread.

>>15782559
Nobody cares. Shove your Godzilla shit up your ass.

Godzilla is a faggot and so are you.

>>15782502
>We're not children which pick a side and that's the only place we stay at.
>when 90% of this site is completely rooted in their opinions
Besides, tumblr is cancer

Note to self: /m/ is incredibly xenophobic of anything that isn't Gundam or Kamen Rider.

>>15782335
>What I'm saying is I doubt Yuasa can keep these characters on model
I mean he historically has never stayed on model nor does he care about anything like that which would keep his animation from having a lot of flow and conveying the animation of the scene.

>>15784263
Pretty much. Devilman isn't really /m/ but it's been accepted and talked about at length for years, no reason why it should change this far in.

>>15784703
>Devilman isn't really /m/
Except it is. It has more justification of being here than fucking godzilla.

>>15784726
godzilla has mecha in it though

>>15784743
Barely. Devilman has more /m/.

>>15779763
Yuasashitters will disagree with this but yes it just looks like Yuasa: The Anime: The Sequel for the dozenth time. He's done some decent shows but is severely overrated by MUH DEEP anime circlejerkers.

>>15784749
Not enough Gundams huh?

>>15784754
>if you don't praise muh Yuasa as the second coming of jesus christ then you're a gundumb shitter
Go back to MAL/Twitter/3x3 threads

>>15784757
Oh, so you're one of the toku kids, my bad. Thought this would be up your alley, but without a bug themed armor I guess it just doesn't work for you.

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>>15782907
jesus anon how explosive

>>15782907
Simmer down anon

The only good thing this man has done is Mind Game. Eveything else is just boring wank in comparison.

>>15779748
My one concern here is that a lot of Devilman's appeal and effectiveness as a story stem from Nagai's expressive art and general paneling. I've never really found myself particularly hungry for an animated adaptation for it.

Still, Yuasa might pull it off. I'm interested.

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>>15782267
But will Satan be cute?

>>15786476
Unlike that picture, I hope.

>>15786495
Alright which version do you think looks the best then?

>>15786495
Kys

>>15785262
>>15786027
Subhumans aren't welcome. Sorry.

>>15779748
the demon designs are what gets me, they look so bland and uninspired

I started the original toei 1972 anime, and well ..... it's different
I am going to try to finish the series in week to see where this goes

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>>15782687
So i finished reading the manga, and its schlock. But its culturally significant schlock. This is the work of an artist troubled by the horrors of war. Troubled not just by Japan as the victim of atrocities, but as the perpetrator of atrocities. Remember Nanking? If this isn't the case then its clearly a case of deep rooted cultural values unconsciously reproducing themselves. No one can dehumanize "others" and express violence against them, especially sexualized violence against women, like the Japanese. My point in all this is, Devilman is a finite and fascinating cultural moment, that really should have been left as is, sequels and remakes can only cheapen that value.

>>15782687
>>15790021
No one cares about your shitty opinion, philistine.

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>>15790038
you sure cared enough to make that post

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>>15790038
hmm?

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>>15790038
hmmm?

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>>15790038
[whispers]hes an autistic child

>>15786233
Ping Pong and Kemonozume were pretty alright.

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>>15780230
Seconding a request for an anon to report on this. I actually loved the hell out of the manga and might watch the anime now that I've been reminded it exists.

Okouchi is writing this. Fuck this shit.

>>15791702
The anime is its own thing.

I thought it got better as the show went on. The earlier cheesier episodes can turn some people away but stick to it, and you'll be rewarded.

>>15790021
Nagai was born after WW2 ended. Your pretentious wall of text is meaningless.

>>15794911
>>15794913
>>15794915
>>15794917
Looks like they're genuinely pleased to be working with this stuff and not just being formal in their pleasantries.

>>15795320
yes