Eureka 7 Hi-Evolution

Just saw it at Otakon. Makes AO look good.

>>15773456
Dear Lord. It's like they want to destroy every bit of good will people had towards the franchise.

>>15772484
It will not be better than Pocketful of Rainbows or AO

>>15772484
>Will it be good?

Nope. Mostly reused footage from the TV series, so I've heard.

It's a mess. Sasuga Bones.

https://twitter.com/braves133/status/896526506524000257

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>>15773548
>Blaming Bones when its this hack that keeps pushing for more of his shit

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>>15773456
at least the soundtrack will be good

>>15773548
>It's the Star Driver movie all over again

They'll never learn, will they?

>>15773583
Because the rest of Bones moved on but one autist can't let go of Eureka so they throw him a pity bone every few years with minimal budget so that he'll stop bothering the rest of the studio while they work on important things.

>>15773583
I mean, it's not just Bones. Did you already forget about Fire Bomber 7? It's a quick buck.

>>15773602
FB7 had no pretenses of being anything other than a music video for an anniversary, though.

>>15773597
The first show was lighting in a bottle and was made by a team of incompetent retards that made something so miss mashed and disjointed it somehow resonated with a small fanbase.

It was flawed, the budget literally doesn't exist from episode 26(i think) till the last ten episodes, and it "references" other shows to the point of being unoriginal in a lot of areas. (if you were going to reference 0079, WHY reference the kids, THE WORST ASPECT OF 0079)

Anyway, they can't recapture whats liked about the first show because it was a fluke.
The fact Dai Sato wrote Dai Shogun later on only tells me that anything he did being well received in Eureka Seven was a total accident.

>movie trilogy that has a first chunk that is a prequel to the show, with the final movie having a new ending or more drawn out endings, with the whole thing having touched up animation and art
>instead we get gundam zeta a new translation but worse

>>15773616
>The fact Dai Sato wrote Dai Shogun later on only tells me that anything he did being well received in Eureka Seven was a total accident.
Dai Sato has never been a good writer and E7 wasn't well written even given that the director admitted to scrapping the ending at the last minute

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>>15772484
You were expecting Rebuild of Eureka? Too bad! You're getting Eureka Seven: A New Translation.

>>15773626
I never said Eureka Seven was will written, I said it was liked and decently received.
I liked it when I saw it, and I think it still holds up better then a lot of /m/ shows I used to like.

Seeing that the entire original production crew is back for the movie, it being a mess only tells me that they probably have no clue what people liked with the first show or how to replicate it.

>>15773583
>It's the Star Driver movie all over again

According to all the opinions I can find, not really - it has a full fledged all new opening prologue part that's something like 20 minutes long and everyone says it's good.

But then it turns into a compilation movie of the first 30 or so episodes of the TV show, and an awkward one that plays out in non-linear fashion or something.

I can't believe they just left it variable aspect ratio with 16:9 for the new scenes and 4:3 for the old ones

>>15773634
What people liked about the series were the characters or rather the romance between Eureka and Renton as far as the story goes they wouldn't be able to explain it because its a convoluted mess but at least their OTP got together.

>>15773566
Who is this fgt? I am upset.

>>15773648
I was just in it for the big robot, riding waves and the first OP and one of the EDs.

>>15773639
>it has a full fledged all new opening prologue part
>But then it turns into a compilation movie

That was literally the Star Driver movie anon, except replace "prologue" with "epilogue"

>>15773639
>it has a full fledged all new opening prologue part that's something like 20 minutes long and everyone says it's good.

>But then it turns into a compilation movie of the first 30 or so episodes of the TV show
That was literally what the Star Driver movie was

>>15773634
The prologue itself is fantastic. It's just they didn't have a budget.

>>15773660
Wasn't the opening segment of the Star Driver movie five minutes long, completely unrelated to anything else in the film and never addressed again after it happened?

>>15773660
>>15773667
Dude I've seen the Star Driver movie (and liked it, for what it's worth) and no.

That movie starts with a five minute, zero-context Cybody battle that has nothing to do with any part of the story at all, and the 'epilogue' is 90 seconds of unvoiced scenes that play behind the credits. It's nothing at all like what they made for Hi Evolution 1.

>>15773677
It was a media res that doubled as an epilogue to the TV series where the Cybodies came into the real world after the final seal was broken and Takato went out to deal with them. The ending to the movie also ties into it as the shrine maidens all met up with Takato and the others after leaving the island.

>>15773680
see
>>15773683
The prologue is the epilogue to the TV series that ties into the ending of the movie all and all there's about 20 minutes of new footage in the whole thing.This is exactly the same shit only they've opted to make it even more confusing by omitting 70% of the content in the TV series and rearranging it.

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>>15773583
Except there will be 2 more movies unlike Star Driver.

>>15773974
Because Star Driver only had half the episode count of E7, you dunce.

All these compilation films are garbage anyway.

the prologue is awesome, just stop watching after ir

heard the PV for the next film was more promising? confirm?

>Anemone is an idol now
>Anemone is an idol now
>Anemone is an idol now

>>15774637
That's a joke right?

>>15774754
Nope. The movie hints at it as she's on a bus in Bell Forest. Next movie preview has her in costume and on stage.

>>15774071
>Because Star Driver only had half the episode count of E7
It's still three movies total instead of just two.

Everything about this make me think the process was

"We've put the team back together and have a great idea for an OVA"
"It needs to be a movie"
"But..."
"Movie. You'll make a movie."

>>15775222
>it's still three turds instead of just two

Thanks, shitlord.

>>15773639
The opening prologue was awesome. They flash up infoporn about what you're seeing (ship/mech/character names with associated information, status updates, etc.). It manages to tie together a bunch of disparate scenes so that you really get the sense that you're watching a massive, apocalyptic battle in some far-flung future. Like if you had the frantic nature of the ELS battle in the 00 movie, but the focused progression of events and matter-of-fact descriptions of horrible carnage of a LOGH battle or the first episode of Gargantia. If it was the entire movie, it would have been great.

The bulk of it is a weird retelling of part of the series, though, with a weird focus on the Charles/Ray arc (but I don't think they even show their deaths so there's not even the emotional payoff of seeing that whole thing completed?). Literally every couple of minutes it jumps around in time

>3 days earlier
>10 years ealier

Etc. The graphics for those transitions were spiffy but the execution left me very confused as a partial first-time viewer. They even repeat some scenes (with a change in music to reflect the change in tone we're supposed to feel now that we have more information about the context of the scene?). I can sorta see where they were going - it's like a stream-of-consciousness-type thing - but it just wasn't handled all that well.

>>15773690
Explain this again, please. 5 minutes of epilogue sounds completely different from 20 minutes of prologue (prologue that is integral to the story but never shown before).

>>15780148
>The opening prologue was awesome. They flash up infoporn about what you're seeing (ship/mech/character names with associated information, status updates, etc.). It manages to tie together a bunch of disparate scenes so that you really get the sense that you're watching a massive, apocalyptic battle in some far-flung future. Like if you had the frantic nature of the ELS battle in the 00 movie, but the focused progression of events and matter-of-fact descriptions of horrible carnage of a LOGH battle or the first episode of Gargantia. If it was the entire movie, it would have been great.
If I gave half of a shit about seeing what happened during the Summer of Love then this would be interesting

Heard the new music was amazing. Can anyone confirm?

>>15780161
The 20 minute prologue is only relevant if you've watched the TV series or care about what transpired during the Summer of Love (it wasn't particularly relevant in the TV series either) because outside that it really doesn't do much for this movie other than not making it a complete waste of time.

The most interesting aspect of this film was Anemoe's huge ass shot in the PV to the next one.

>>15773630
But ANT was good.

>>15780220
>But ANT was good.
Even Tomino thinks your tastes is shit

>>15780148
they showed mech specs in the movie?

>>15780223
I didn't knew that you speak for him, Anon.

>>15780163
>>15780172
If you gave half a shit about world-building (as you should), it does a great job of setting up the desperate situation that defines the outlooks of every character who was involved. E7 is like looking at the real world of the last decade and a half and the Summer of Love is like 9/11.

>>15780226
Every time a new LFO or ship model came on screen.

>>15780260
model number, dimensions and armaments?

>>15780161
>Explain this again

He's talking literal nonsense. They are nothing alike.

>>15780239
>If you gave half a shit about world-building
Why would I when the setting was among the least interesting aspects of it and threw out any integrity they had by changing the ending.

>>15780270
>Both are recaps with new material that serves as continuations to the TV series
Are you stupid anon? There was nothing hard about what was stated.

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>>15780239
>as you should
Why? The world building wasn't good its also unnecessary and ventures into "prequel syndrome" where the respective directors think its necessary to showcase events that only serve to anchor character motivations in the TV series but aren't very interesting when they are shown. It'll be like an Eva prequel showcasing The Second Impact. Why? What does that add to the story or characters? Nothing. What does it benefit showing the Battle of Loum? Nothing. Its just shitty fanservice.

>>15780297
Except the prequel part of Hi Evolution 1 has been universally praised as a good and worthwhile addition

>>15780323
Its been universally praised in comparison to the rest of the film not because its good on its own, the general consensus seems to be that the film is shit with or without the first 20 minutes which is only worth watching if you cared about what happened during the Summer of Love to begin with.

>>15780262
IIRC, yes. I don't think it was a complete dossier but you got the general data.

>TFW introducing a huge battleship by name, detailing its service history
>It blows up
>"Downed"

>>15780343
how well did Dewey pilot?

>>15780279
>the setting was among the least interesting aspects of it
Are you insane?

>>15780297
>Not wanting to see Second Impact
>Not wanting to see Loum
Can you imagine going through the 2000s hearing people talk about September 11th but no one ever letting you see footage of it? Or being in SE Asia and the same thing with the tsunami that hit a few years ago? Everyone around you freaking out about this shared experience of utter terror, where it seemed like the world was ending. You can't really understand why people have the resolve to live the way they do, why society is the way it is, until you see what happened to them/it.

>>15780279
>Changing the ending
To be fair, the planned ending where Eureka splits her soul into seven pieces to "calm the land" for no real reason was fucking stupid and the new ending arguably made far more sense.

>>15780378
>Are you insane?
Not an argument

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>>15780378
>Can you imagine going through the 2000s hearing people talk about September 11th but no one ever letting you see footage of it?
You mean just how people born in the 70's and 80's never saw footage of WW II, Pearl Harbor or Vietnam? Sure as fuck didn't diminish its impact on history though.

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>>15780392
>The Nirvash talking and taking half the scub coral for no reason made more sense

>>15780419
Eeeexcept those were at least foreshadowed. We always KNEW that the Nirvash was sentient and we eventually learned that the Command Cluster existed and how the Limit of Questions could be achieved well before the finale. In the original ending there's literally no rhyme or reason for Eureka to be splitting her fucking soul and it's never foreshadowed, never alluded to, and ultimately amounts to just about no impact, as opposed to Renton's character arc coming to a satisfying end in episode 50.

>>15780429
>Eeeexcept those were at least foreshadowed
No they weren't. The Nirvash taking on Eureka's predestined role was never foreshadowed, we knew it was sentient but beyond that it was nothing more but a tool with bonds to Renton and Eureka. Kyoda already stated that the new ending came from his ass because he wanted Eureka and Renton to get a happy ending at the expense of consistency hence why it doesn't add up.

>>15780362
He's called in with Holland for a special mission because they're former lifters and the only ones who can manage the intense trapar activity.

>>15780429
>In the original ending there's literally no rhyme or reason for Eureka to be splitting her fucking soul and it's never foreshadowed,
The title of the show is called Eureka and the Seven chakras and her fate was suppose to mirror that of those who came before like Norm and Sakuya, if the Nirvash could have substitute for her to begin with what exactly was the point of everything up to that point?

>as opposed to Renton's character arc coming to a satisfying end in episode 50.
Fuck off

>>15780394
If an Earth geographically transformed by sentient aliens to the point that it's unrecognizable doesn't interest you, you might be incurious to a degree that suggests an intellect not worth arguing with.

>>15780416
But... but they did. Vietnam in particular was so widely televised that the atrocities people saw on their TV every evening helped end the war. You think, what, that those tapes just disappeared? That none of it or its derivative content ever showed up on TV again to show later generations what happened? Hell, MASH was on TV regularly in the 90s.

>>15780459
>If you don't like what I like you're stoopid

Great argument

>>15780459
>But... but they did
Video archives for Pearl Harbor and WWII are non-existent beyond reenactments and old new reports that aren't publicly distribute , hell they even outright ban several war era material because they are deem culturally irrelevant, a lot of the attocites that came about at Vietnam were never showcased and come from second hand info from people who experience them. MASH was literally a satirical take on the war that was only popular in the 70's.

>>15780419
Except for the fact that nirvash already had a greater role besides being a sterile killing machine

>>15780488
Not really, no. He talking and taking on Eureka's role was an asspull

>>15780442
>Seven chakras
>Literally no mention of the Indian concept of chakra
>Sakuya doesn't split her memories into seven pieces and splits them across the planet
>The series itself had a lot of foreshadowing for the Nirvash's final evolution
What the hell are you smoking, Anon?

>>15780465
Even children can make strawmen.

>>15780479
I just searched on Youtube and found dozens of clips of all of those conflicts. It actually doesn't matter if the footage or real or reenactments, anyway; the point is that people are interested in what those events would have looked like or felt like. Sometimes exaggerated retellings more accurately convey the feel of living through something than snippets of footage, because of the way human memory works.

>>15781439
>I just searched on Youtube and found dozens of clips of all of those conflicts.
Cool horseshit bro.

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>>15780442
>Eureka and the Seven chakras
What?

>>15780429
Yeah, Eureka doesn't really gain enough life experiences over the course of the show in order to make the memory ending work. Renton would actually be more appropriate for that role, but that would take away most of what little agency Eureka had left in the course of the story.

The memory ending was eventually released as manga, and it's not as bad as you might think (or at least I can say that about the chapters that have been translated so far). They basically dance around the memory issue by keeping Eureka's memories vague, like memories of pain, friendship, etc. It doesn't quite feel earned.

This has made me notice though that the very first episode starts with Stoner talking about memories and how they're tied to the media we consume (nostalgia, basically).

>>15780429
it was never even once foreshadowed that the Nirvash was going to be the deus ex machina of the entire plot. It was an asspull and came from of left field.There was zero build up to it and the only thing you can pull from the entire series was that it was sentient.

>>15781995
The "original" ending was much more coherent to the actual themes/plot of E7 than the "power of love" fuckery that just happens because they decided to change the ending last minute for the voice actors that thought it was "too sad"

unironically, Eureka plays an extremely minor role in the first movie. Her relationship with renton is literally summed up in a couple of sentences. And seeing as how Anemone is getting elevated to being a main character i dont even know what her purpose is in the story anymore.

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Once Renton takes over as main pilot Eureka's role pretty much gets diminished and is just the love interest. I don't know why people praise their relationship as something magical when the show it ripped off handled their relationship much better

>>15782138
Having the Nirvash be able to act as the command cluster was definitely a strange choice, and one that weakened the story, but there was at least precedent for this in the story. The Nirvash was shown to be at least semi-sentient over the course of the series, and the "power of love solves all problems" bullshit was proven to work on many occasions. Not saying it was the best choice story-wise, but it was at least consistent with what we know is capable in that universe.

How was the original ending more coherent to the themes and plot? Again, the biggest issue I have with that ending in the context of the story is that Eureka doesn't do much over the course of the series, Renton does. Renton is the one who spends the most time in the story learning about the world and human nature. He meets people and he learns something about himself or others. Eureka just kinda hangs out on the ship a lot, and when she's not on the ship it's for a mission. Eureka was sent to Earth to learn about humans, but the show does very little to let her accomplish that goal. Her relationship with the kids does some of that work, but it didn't feel like enough. That's always been one of the most frustrating aspects of the series for me.

If the writers had Eureka actually do what she was born to do, then I do think the original ending would have been better.

Back to the movie trilogy, if what you said is true about the first movie then I agree, I have absolutely no idea what they are thinking. I think they should've only stuck to one movie and made it a straight prequel. Summer of Love -> Cieludes Del Cielo -> Formation of Gekko State. It wouldn't revolutionize the world, but at least it would have had a clean and simple arc. But with no budget I guess that was always impossible. *sigh*

>>15782507
>I think they should've only stuck to one movie and made it a straight prequel. Summer of Love -> Cieludes Del Cielo -> Formation of Gekko State
No they're actually making something people would want to watch hence why the Gekkostate is barely present in the movie and Anemone is headlining the second

>>15782507
>But with no budget I guess that was always impossible.

Pretty sure its more of a scheduling issue than budget issue. They were still in "heavy production" during the anime expo.

> I think they should've only stuck to one movie and made it a straight prequel. Summer of Love -> Cieludes Del Cielo -> Formation of Gekko State.

That would not make for a very good standalone story. Pretty sure people are more interested on watching something new than some rehashed scenes from the original which was the biggest letdown from the film. The first 30 minutes of it was phenomenal and pretty much what people were expecting out of a reboot. It was the hour long rehashed TV footage compiled into a bunch of flashbacks that ticked people off.

>>15782523

Would not be surprised if Anemone gets more screen time overall than Eureka

>>15780333
I've seen the movie. The prequel component is outstanding even by its own merits. They could have easily released by itself and it would still be super engaging.