Godzilla/Kaiju General #2

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> Godzilla movies fans mistake for being great cinema

>>15748598
Yeah Destoroyah is bog standard Heisei schlock. The emotional ending blinds everyone from the boring characters and typical Kawakita effects.

>>15748620
>The emotional ending
Still, the rest of the Heisei films didn't even have that much. Only Biollante had an interesting story but almost no monster fights as a result

>>15748598
Vs. Destroyah is great and it's obvious people like >>15748620 are just nitpicking it with personal issues.

>>15748598
Terror of Mechagodzilla is great though.

>>15748631
Shut the fuck up. It's garbage. The effects have the basic suits that are stiff, the characters all disappear halfway through the movie to watch the fights on a huge ass monitor, sparks are going off everywhere, the soundtrack has the awful Destoroyah theme, and every reference to 1954 isn't utilized well at all.

>>15748640
GMK should go into the flawed territory, and Ghidorah should be in the good territory. It's not as good as Mothra but it's above Mechagodzilla. Ghidorah 1991, Ebirah, and Son of Godzilla are respectable enough.

>>15748640

>King Kong vs Godzilla isn't on here but Godzilla vs Hedorah is

This infographic is trash, I love Biollante but I know it doesn't belong there either.

>>15748716
Yeah King Kong vs Godzilla is underrated. It's effects have aged the worse out of most of the Showa films but it's a good comedy.

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>>15748716
>I love Biollante but I know it doesn't belong there either.
Why not? Besides, you need something there to appease the Heisei fans and Biollante is the best thing that era offers.

>>15748736
Not him but for a lot of people it doesn't tie all of the story threads together.

>>15748640
That's a surprisingly complete selection, you have every Era represented. I would say it's a nice way to start the franchise and get a solid idea of the different periods.

I personally don't like the Heisei era, but like >>15748736 said, it's a nice entry in this era alongside Ghidorah.

>>15748631
>Vs. Destroyah is great
Barring the last twenty minutes, why is Destoroyah a great movie?

>>15748736

>awful sound effects(cars skid on dirt)
>poor casting (like that super spy manlet)
>good vfx
>amazing music(though ifukube thought it was too western sounding)

I do agree it's the best heisei, but it's a really mixed bag of a movie. Going to re-watch it soon anyways.

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>>15748735

Aside from Kong's stupid stupid face and the gratuitous amounts of string the effects aren't TOO bad. And Kingoji is one of the best designs.

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>>15748778
Col. Goro is an awesome character. Miki was at her best here. Shiragami was an interesting tormented soul and I'm rather fond of the Middle Eastern agent.

>>15748797
Terrible green/blue screen and puppet/stop-motion effects.I guess most of the budget went towards getting the rights to King Kong.

>>15748810
>Terrible green/blue screen
I thought the octopus at the start was one of the best parts.

>>15748835

Yeah that was a good scene. It grossed me out as a kid

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Finally got Shin on bluray. Annofag gave us a great film here, best one since the original by far. Disagreeing with this FACT does nothing but confirm to all here that you are full retard with shit taste.

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>>15748914
>best one since the original by far
have we forgotten this gem?

>>15748920

>that one fat guy with the eggs

>>15748939
he's no cornjob

>>15748995

Kek

>muh corns

His corns could tell when something bad was going to happen. Psychic corns. Miki was psychic. Did she have corns? These are the real questions.

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>>15749010
and Legend of Dinosaurs had the corn festival

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Read an interesting review that argued Son of Godzilla is the best written Godzilla film and better than Gojira (1954). Does anyone else think there's a legitimate argument to be made here?

>>15749578

Sounds like clickbait

>>15749578
Son of Godzilla actually is a decent kaiju film, and better than some movies before and after it, but it certainly isnt better than 54.

Also, the best written Godzilla film is Gamera 3.

>>15749586

>Gamera 3

Kek. The truth of this statement made me laugh even harder

>>15749578
It's better than most films after it but it's far from 54. On it's own its a 7/10 movie.

>>15749586
>better than some movies before
Only ones I would give you here is Godzilla Raids Again and Ebirah. Maybe King Kong vs Godzilla too.

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>>15749590
How does Gojira and Shin Godzilla compare to Gamera 3?

>>15749599

I wouldn't say Gamera 3 is as good as those. Heisei Gamera > Heisei Godzilla, though.

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>>15749599
Gamera 3 is amazing but it's an anime plot and the political nature of '54 and Shin elevate them just a bit.
54>Shin>Gamera 3

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Netflix has a placeholder slot for Monster Planet

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Why is Ghidrah so kino?

>>15748701
>Ghidorah 1991, Ebirah, and Son of Godzilla are respectable enough.

And yet he dares trashtalking other people's taste calling GMK flawed and dissing Destroyah jesus fuck that board is just getting worse every day

>>15748640
That's a well made infographic thx a bunch

>>15751326
GMK is a decent movie, yet it's message is shoved down the viewers throat all the damn time and the tone is all over the place. Destoroyah is garbage, there's nothing more to say. Bitch about the board going to shit someplace else.

>>15751356

That doesn't make Ebirah and Son of Godzilla less trash

>>15751427
Ebirah and SoG, at worst, are on the same level as Godzilla vs Mothra (1992) and Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla.

>>15751452

Don't do Baby Godzilla's movie dirty like that ever again

>>15751452
>>15751427
Ebirah and Son of Godzilla have charming characters, the Heisei flicks are literally just meant to sell Bandais.

>>15751528

>not liking miki saegusa

>>15751534
She's only cool in Biollante.

>>15751536

But she looked so good with short hair, anon.

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>>15751534
Miki was the last "good" character of the Heisei Era and she peaked in Biollante. Only other person who can get serious consideration is M-11 and that's mostly ironic appreciation. Heisei films have the worst characters.

>>15751544

>she peaked in her first movie

You're being silly. Heisei has good background characters too. like those guys in the arcade in spacegodzilla. And that one time the general or whatever-he-was salutes Godzilla in that building and Godzilla just blows him up (in vs king ghidorah?)

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>>15748562
Prepare to be overwhlemed by the opinion/confession of a pleb who has only watched Shin Godzilla

It took me three sittings in two different days to finish watching the first Godzilla movie (1954). Kept falling up asleep, but I'm going to blame a full stomach and afterwork exhaustion for that.

Was pretty good, but incredibly deppressingly SAD. That eyepatch guy really got the short end of the stick.

Guess I'll have to follow it by the 1955 sequel,..but honestly I can't wait to get to the Heisei (vs Mechagodzilla) parts.

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> godzilla movies don't have good ch...

>>15751566

Cheers, anon! Hope you enjoy the journey

>>15751733
>no goro maki from son of godzilla
>ken "godzilla is alpha predator he is the coolest also remember hiroshima?" watanabe

>>15751733
I love that guy who stood on the building and yelled at Godzilla in Godzilla 2000 so much.

>>15751764
>implying thats the only thing he did
Casuals are the worst.

>>15751836

>NO FUN ALLOWED

Away with you, there's better things to be pretentious about

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Indisputably the worst Godzilla movie. A rushed mess that Godzilla was thrown into because Jet Jaguar couldn't carry his own feature film. Feels and looks cheap throughout.

> muh Godzilla's Revenge
Megalon has almost the same amount

>>15751946
Yeah it's hilariously bad. Can't believe Fukuda went from this to Mechagodzilla.

Streaming Shin Goji

weebcrew.moe

>>15751946

Megalon being horrible at being a terrifying giant monster was hilarious. Horribly clumsy bastard hopped around everywhere and lost a fight with a broken dam. JJ was goofy as shit too, they probably should have tried a show with him instead of a movie, but I guess that'd just be Zone Fighter 2.

It's the best good-bad goji movie, really. I'm still genuinely entertained every time I see it. Can't say the same for Gigan.

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>>15751960
>It's the best good-bad goji movie, really. I'm still genuinely entertained every time I see it. Can't say the same for Gigan.
What's with the hostility towards Godzilla vs Gigan? The characters are cool, the climatic battle (aside from the unnecessary stock footage) was entertaining, it has an awesome collection of Ifukube hits, and the aliens are among the best in the series. It feels like a Golden Age film without the budget.

>>15751977

Too grim-dark for a Godzilla movie about Godzilla fighting a cyborg space chicken in an amusement park.

And the re-used stock footage was bad. BAD. The fight could've been okay but the stock footage was too much. I'm glad it didn't bother you and you could enjoy the film but it was too much for me.

>>15751997

And the aliens were okay. There's way better showa aliens that aren't just creepy businessmen.

>>15751997
>And the re-used stock footage was bad. BAD. The fight could've been okay but the stock footage was too much.
I'll readily admit that stock footage is a crippling issue. Like the switching between night and day without much regard for continuity and the notable difference in fight styles. The fights in the older footage was a lot more energetic. Sticks out like a sore thumb. And most of the fight took place during the day, so why not set the final battle at day? I would like to see someone edit the recycled scenes out.

Kaiju discord is streaming DAM

Makes me wish there existed a version of Godzilla vs Gigan with a decent budget. I thought the movie was entertaining even despite the strange tonal shifts (or perhaps in part because of them), but imagine if Godzilla and Ghidorah got new suits, Ghidorah didn't look like dogshit when he's flying, and if they composed an original theme for Gigan. Heck, maybe even actual alien designs instead of enlarged living cockroaches.

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>>15752046
>but imagine if Godzilla and Ghidorah got new suits, Ghidorah didn't look like dogshit when he's flying
Could have been much worse. Toho used the suit one more time after Vs Gigan
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1g4jcj

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>>15751733
hey don't you DARE forget about my man here

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Godzilla version when?
https://youtu.be/fycw7gVePnA

>>15751842
Shut the fuck up.

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>>15752858

Yoshizaki Mine drew a non-official Kemono Friends style Shin Godzilla back when the franchise was dying. I wonder if they'll manage an official collab now...

>>15749578
where is said review? I'd like to see their reason

>>15752900
"To start things off, this is the Godzilla that has grown on me more than any other, Jun Fukuda's "Son Of Godzilla." I'll be honest, when I was a child, I despised this film. I always considered the titular son of Godzilla, Minya, as annoying, irritating and made Godzilla look uncool. But as I've grown old, there was a child-like naivety to Minya that made me smile and I soon realized that he added much more to character of Godzilla than ever before.

As I grow older, the more I appreciate and love "Son Of Godzilla." Which is odd, considering that it is the most light-hearted and comical Godzilla film. Then again, this does make it more endearing and relatable.

On a far-off deserted island, a group of researchers have been running weather experiments for months, while also avoiding the large mantis' running around the island. But when one of their experiments goes wrong, thanks to unnatural brain waves interfering with their equipment, unbearable heat and radiation is sent upon the island, mutating the mantis to giant size and able to find the source of the brain waves - an egg containing a baby Godzilla. Before the mantis', nicknamed Kamacuras, can kill the baby, the adult Godzilla shows up to reluctantly raise his adopted son to become just like him."

>>15752972
"What I love the most about "Son Of Godzilla" is how it evolves the character Godzilla, by actually giving him a character. Before this film, Godzilla was just a monster - a living atomic bomb that could not be stopped and would fight any other monster that got in his way. But now, he has another life to worry about besides his own. And he intends to make his kid into another version of him, a cold, uncaring, unstoppable creäture of destruction.

But over the course of the film, even Godzilla begins to realize that Minya is not like him. Minya doesn't want to destroy other living beings, as he seems to avoid fighting Kamacuras, and wants to make friends with the humans on the island.

Suddenly, Godzilla has to stop being a monster, and become a mentor. One of the best scenes in the film is when Godzilla has to teach Minya how to properly roar and use his atomic breath. After Minya lets out a loud shriek, rather than his usual donkey-like noises, Godzilla nods in possible approval, but I don't think even he is sure what to think.


The same theme is shown in Godzilla. He is not just one creäture now, but the example for future Godzilla's'. He has to sacrifice his own needs and desires, so that his race can survive passed himself.

All of this culminates in the ending, which I hold as the best ending in the Godzilla franchise. After defeating a giant spider, Kumonga, that nearly killed Minya, a massive snowstorm has fallen upon the island. With the temperature dropping rapidly, it is becoming too cold for anything to survive. Godzilla has enough strength to leave the island, but Minya is too weak, as he stumbles in the snow, reaching for Godzilla's help.

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>>15752975
"I won't spoil anything else about the ending, other than this is one of the few scenes that reduces me to tears. Sad scenes in cinema rarely make me cry. But incredibly happy scenes where everything works out perfectly give me the biggest smile and tears of joy. The ending to "Son Of Godzilla" is one of compassion, sacrifice and pitch-perfect character development.

It is like watching a father realize how much he cares about his son. That he loves his child more than he loves himself and he would do anything to keep that bond alive. No matter what happens him, his son deserves to live his own life. This is nothing short of breath-taking and heart-warming.

The fact that any scene between two actors in rubber suits while being covered in thick snow makes me feel emotional is true test to the power of "Son Of Godzilla."

"Son Of Godzilla" is certainly the most unique and beautiful film in the Godzilla franchise. Complimented by a vibrant color scheme, great use of its island setting and a joyful score by Masaru Sato, this film is gorgeous to behold and listen to. Minya is adorable in his child-like innocence and curiosity, and gives the film the emotional punch that it needs. The monster fight scenes are tense and woven into the plot without feeling forced or unnecessary. Most importantly, this film gives Godzilla a heart alongside his awe and power."

>>15752900
>>15752972
>>15752975
>>15752988

Here's a smaller version of this guy's thoughts. He ranks it as his second favorite Godzilla, behind Mothra vs Godzilla and ahead of Gojira.

"You’re probably wondering what this film about Godzilla’s son did that makes it better than “Godzilla.” It makes me emotional. This is no easy task. To my knowledge, there are only two films that are able to make me burst into tears: “It’s A Wonderful Life” and this film.

This is also one of the few Godzilla films that gives Godzilla an actual character-arc. It makes out to be more than just a monster, but a character with flaws, wants, needs and emotions. At the beginning of the film, he starts out as a heartless and uncaring monster. By the end, he is willing to sacrifice himself for his adopted son. To make me care about something like that shows the strength of this picture. This is made even better when you realize that it is being conveyed by two guys in rubber suits. Stunning.

Also, this is probably the most well-written Godzilla film. Every scene has a purpose, with every action sequence having a reason to be there. The monsters have a bigger reason to be here than to just smash buildings and trample people and the human characters don’t feel like superfluous additions to spout exposition. In fact, the humans are funny, well-thought out and have some tense moments where they are at each others throats.

Above all else, this is a fun movie. It does exactly what I love most about monster movies: Making me smile. That’s probably the biggest reason why I put this one ahead of “Godzilla.” Because as good as that film is, it does not make me happy. “Son Of Godzilla” is a blast to watch, whether it is making you laugh, exciting you with suspenseful action sequences or pulling at your heartstrings. "

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Would anyone want these guys to reappear at some point? They haven't received any love since Unleashed faded from collective consciousness.

>>15752997
In general he's right about how well written it is, how charming the characters, and how the cinematography is pretty good but people are going to dismiss it because he likes it over the original and because "minya iz ugly but little godzilla is perfectly fine :)))"

Question, Just how strong is Mothra compared to other monsters?

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man I really love kaijus I always loved watching Kaiju movie since I was a kid giant monsters just seem really amazing really made me think that anything could become deadly enough with enough radiation and then there's doing ones that are from space I don't know what it is to design of them or the fact destroy a large portion of a city with a swoop of their tell claw or Wing or horn or whatever they're using as their whatever they're using for attacking yes I truly love Kaiju's just got Shin Godzilla a couple days ago still haven't watched it

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>>15753051
Alternatively there's this opinion:

> Wanna know what it looks like when the bottom falls out of a movie franchise? Because it looks like Son of Godzilla, the eighth film to feature Japan's most beloved giant monster and the first for which I have absolutely not one blessed thing to say in its defense. You can probably guess the reason why from the title: the process of domesticating a giant, city-destroying metaphor for nuclear weaponry was finally completed in 1967, when he was given a little daikaiju toddler to nurture. I don't know if this inherently means that the film has to suck, but in practice that's exactly what happens, especially given that profoundly insipid scenes of big Godzilla teaching little Minilla (that's the ugly fucker's name, officially, though it never shows up in dialogue) how to breath radioactive fire, or fight other kaiju, or roar, take up approximately three hours of the 86-minute film's running time.

> The real problem here isn't the impoverished storytelling, though. You won't get very far with daikaiju eiga if you need a rich human story that ties in well with the monster action every single time. Honestly, it's not even the desire to make this a friendly, fun, children's movie, since there's an unmistakable thread of matinee movie silliness in all but the most absolutely grave and grim giant monster movies. The great problem of the film is that the filmmakers so clearly didn't give a shit, didn't have the resources to give a shit, and didn't have anything worth giving a shit about. This is a monumentally lazy movie, never more glaringly than in the climactic fight with Kumonga, suspended by black wires that show up with unmistakable clarity in virtually every shot that the spider appears in. Effects director Arikawa Sadamasa didn't have the resources of his great predecessor, Tsuburaya Eiji, of course, but there's such a thing as trying, and that's in short supply in Son of Godzilla.

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>>15753076
> Having already gone the "big and wacky" route with Ebirah, director Fukuda Jun doubled-down on trivial nonsense here, making every moment as breezy and light as possible, and in the process completely eradicating any dramatic stakes whatsoever. Even when Minilla is surrounded by three giant mantises with razor-sharp claws and nightmare teeth, there's not the remotest sense that he's actually in danger. The human characters are visited with such indifference and blandness (only Kubo emerges with any kind of presence, and it's the kind that comes from frenzied over-acting) that we don't care about them to begin with, and even if we did, the monsters are more of an inconvenience than a danger, absent the spooky early scenes where the Kamacuras skitter around at night.

> Worst of all, though, are the monsters. Not simply that their battles are indifferently staged; one expects that. But they look like crap. Kumonga is decent, I suppose, as giant spider puppets go. But Minilla is an ugly little irritating troll and Godzilla! - oh Lord, save me from having to remember what they did to my dear Godzilla! The name of the game, never forget, was child-friendly straight down the line, and that means a round Godzilla face with big eyes, skinny build, all his pointy ends blunted. This I can swallow, though not with any enthusiasm to speak of. But the chintziness of it! It's the most vinyl-looking Godzilla yet, and the eyes look like giant plastic orbs. Minilla may be hideous, but Godzilla looks like a costume you could by in any corner shop, and this I could not forgive were the movie actually decent in anyway. Coming as merely the crowning point of awfulness in a film that tells a lousy story poorly and dumbs-down an already simply concept to the point of complete triviality, it all leaves Son of Godzilla too flimsy and pointless to bear.

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>>15752997
>>15752988
>>15752975
>>15752972

I'm not terribly convinced.

>>15753026
They didn't receive love since day one. Two generic monsters that took slots from potential Toho monsters
I wouldn't mind seeing them again

>>15751733
Controller is my favorite.

>Escape. Escape into the future. Into that dimension which we have never seen. All of you join me in . . . escape!

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Is this /m/?

Do what's the verdict on the Funi release? Does the "nerd interview" in the special features worth it, or at I better off buying the Australian version?

What gives Shin and so many other modern Japanese productions such a distinctive look? Both the way the picture looks and the style of cgi are somehow unmistakable.

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Does anyone have better images of these posters by Kenji Tsuruta?

>>15753303
If you can play the Australian version, it sounds like the better one, just be aware of region locks

Why does every single part of the media and the fanbase try to make Destoroyah out to be some elder evil that only wishes to kill everything when in reality all it's doing is trying to survive?

>>15755214
Because James Rolfe said DESUTROYA looks like the goddamned devil XD

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What is the general consensus on the meaning, implications, ramifications, etc of the final shot in Shin Godzilla?

>>15755214
The oxygen destroyer was a pretty indiscriminate killer so it has that associated with it.

>>15751946
>because Jet Jaguar couldn't carry his own feature film
Was he supposed to? For a Ultraman knockoff it always struck me as odd that he is so lacking in abilities and gimmicks. He can grow and fly, which are the bare minimum, but they didn't even bother to give him special moves or a finisher of any sort. Compare him to say, Zone Fighter.

>>15755214
It's a giant monster that turns into equally vicious smaller monsters on land and could potentially deoxygenate the entire ocean just by living in it.

>>15755440
> "Godzilla vs. Megalon was originally planned as a non-Godzilla film, a solo vehicle for Jet Jaguar, which was the result of a contest Toho had for children in mid-to-late 1972. The winner of the contest was an elementary school student, who submitted the drawing of a robot called Red Arone, which superficially resembled both Ultraman and Mazinger Z. The robot was renamed Jet Jaguar and was set to star in Jet Jaguar vs. Megalon, which pitted him against Megalon. However, after doing some screen tests and storyboards, Toho figured Jet Jaguar would not be able to carry the film on his own, either in screen appearance or marketing value, so they shut the project down during pre-production. Nearly a month later, producer Tomoyuki Tanaka called in screenwriter Shinichi Sekizawa to revise the script to add Godzilla and Gigan. To make up for lost production time, the film was shot in a hasty three weeks. The production time totaled at nearly six months, from planning to finish."

>>15755388
Godzilla's next evolution, which just so happens to be an attempt to mimic the only thing to beat him: multiple people working together.

>>15755536
>citation needed
Pretty sure the contest was for Godzilla's next partner, not Toho's next hero.

>>15755562
Text from Wikipedia. Cited source is this http://www.americancinematheque.com/archive1999/2005/japanese_giant_monsters_festival.htm

>>15755597
Keith Aiken, I suppose it's legit and he's not misinformed. I've never heard about that detail. Apologies.

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>>15751733
Not from a goji movie, but my favorite villain from a Kaiju movie, of all times: Doctor Who from King Kong Escapes. Paul Frees dubbing Amamoto is a heavenly match. Also, Lady Piranha, with her endless wardrobe, is hot as hell.

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>>15751566
Congrats and welcome! Always happy to welcome a new member to our cause.

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>>15751566
>but honestly I can't wait to get to the Heisei (vs Mechagodzilla) parts
Temper those expectations and enjoy the journey. MG2 or its contemporaries aren't nearly as awesome as the posters suggests.

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My friend works with legendary and he told me that the new american Godzilla sequel apparently implemented ISIS into the plot. They revive king ghidorah or some shit

my friend just works with the advertising though, he doesn't have any access to the movie writing so im pretty sure he's bullshitting.

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>>15753074
Mothra is apparently one of the strongest kaiju according to Toho. She gets wrecked in almost every movie, though.

In rebirth of mothra series she's like crazy powerful tho.

>>15756283
Didn't they just do that exact same thing with the latest Mummy movie?

>>15756283
>American Godzilla goes full Showa
>Japanese Godzilla goes deeper into Sci-fi horror
It's the best of both worlds.

>>15756206
So you're saying that they don't fight a giant Mechagodzilla in the world's biggest dodgeball match, where Rodan has his legs replaced by a tank and Godzilla rapes a jet?

>>15755553
>Godzilla's spawn run for office and try to subvert the government.

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>>15756431
i keked

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>>15756427
>It's the best of both worlds.
Right? I'll say right now I was a little bummed when the Legendary movie wasn't what the original Oppenheimer teaser suggested. But that was alleviated when Shin Godzilla ended up being that movie instead.

>>15756283
>ISIS revives King Ghidorah
I don't know if this is awful or awesome.

>>15756697
>I don't know if this is awful or awesome.
You know the first thing it's going to do is kill the first living thing it sees, which will be ISIS.
Awesome. It's awesome.

>>15756339
No, she's pretty standard. It's her son Leo who has a bunch of insane powers and can just make forms up each movie. By the end he split into hundreds of tiny copies, time travel and has armor that can tank Ghidorah's attacks like they are nothing.

>>15756733
>No, she's pretty standard
Individually perhaps, but Mothra's main strength comes from her phoenix-like "rebirth" cycle.

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>>15756427
Skull Island was an improvement over Bugerzilla. But I'm still not entirely sold on this universe yet.

>>15756737
She doesn't seem to really do that in the Rebirth movies oddly enough. Maybe you could interpret Leo as that? But he is born as a larva before her death.

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>>15755440
>Compare him to say, Zone Fighter.
Jet Jaguar and Zone Fighter debuted a month apart from one another. Wonder why Toho didn't just pick one and then introduce the newcomer in a film alongside Godzilla before continuing the adventures in a television series. Seems like the best marketing strategy.

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Shin Godzilla
> Unadjusted for inflation:
- highest grossing Japanese Godzilla film
- 17th highest grossing Japanese film
- 57th highest grossing film in the Japanese market

> Adjusted for inflation:
- 5th most successful Japanese Godzilla film
- 36th highest grossing Japanese film
- 76th highest grossing film in the Japanese market

Either way it's also, by far, Anno's greatest achievement in terms of box office and attendance. None of his previous films come close. Before using that as a knock against him, keep in mind Shin Godzilla is the first Godzilla film to hit the Japanese "Most-Attended Films of All-Time" list since Monster Zero (1965).

>>15755388
Anno said "fuckit Eva time" then wiped his ass on what could've been a great movie

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Anyone else kinda bummed that we'll never get an original sized Gojira again?

I'm talking the classic 50 meter tall Godzilla. I miss when he was smaller. I almost wish they'd make a godzilla movie set in the 1960s. Like a period piece but done with modern tokusatsu effects similar to Shingoji.

Kinda like the millennium films but actually set in the 60s. I dunno, i just really miss smol Gojira and i'm sad we'll never get him again now that Goji is so big in all his new incarnations

>>15748598

Where did the praise for 84 come from? Movie has fucking nothing going for it. The city models were really nice but then a shitty Godzilla design runs through them.

Is it just because people didn't get to see it until recently?

>>15749586

>best written Godzilla film is Gamera 3

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THE LOVE FOR 3?

Everytime I watch that movie I feel like I was lied to for 15 years.

wait people actually hated Final Wars?

Haruo Nakajima just passed away.

>>15757700
Just saw it. Bummer

>>15757700
F

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>>15757700
F

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>>15757700

>>15757700
RIP. Dude was one of the few alive who worked on the Showa series. It's really the end of the best era.

>>15757700
I had this uneasy feel in my stomach since morning. Almost dreaded waking up, but I shooed these thoughts away. Then I see this.
I knew I could never meet him, but this is still a big personal downer. Had great respect for the man.

>>15758008
I got to meet him when he came to gfest. Jolly fellow.

>>15757934
Keizo Murase is still alive, and he worked on both Godzilla and Gamera.
And he is still working https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zz5-x-EwA4

>>15758042
Do not forget Akira Takarada and Kumi Mizuno.

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>>15758065
Althrough I am more interested about the special effect part of the Showa Era, that's true.
Plus, both of them were in Birth of Japan with Setsuko Hara. They would also have a lot to tell. If you know a place were interview of those people can be found in english (sadly I don't read runes) it would be fantastic.

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>>15751289
>Ghidrah
I prefer his appearances in Ghidrah and Monster when he was a frantically moving dragon with a bell-like voice. He got stomped in DAM, looked ragged and barely mobile in Vs Gigan and Zone Fighter, his modern shriek is annoying, and his Final Wars iteration is painful to look at.

>>15757654
>Where did the praise for 84 come from?
People fell for the serious = good meme. Return of Godzilla is to the Cold War what Gojira is to post-WWII Japan, Vs Hedorah is to the rampant pollution of the early 70s, GMK is to the desire to forget the past (sins of WWII), and Shin Godzilla is to Fukushima. However, it dropped the ball in the execution department with its dullness and lackluster characters. Has a nice OST and atmosphere though.

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Warning, listening to Persecution of the Masses nonstop can lead to depression.

>>15748562
Should I watch Shin Goji? Finished EVA and saw a lot of interesting stuff in trailers that looks cool. Also I heard it has a good deal of jap political shit in it which might also be interesting.

>>15758424
>not 'who will know'
>"I wear a void, not even hope. A downward slope is all I see"
>isn't more depressing

>>15758543
Actually I find the instrumental of Who Will Know infinitely sadder for some reason.

>>15758564
Both equally good to me desu. Strong lyrics and excelent instrumentals.

>>15758537
You should watch it, it's a good movie.
But I would recommend watching the rest of the franchise first. I enjoy this movie as a godzilla fan and not as an eva fan (which I am).

Or simply watch it, it's only 2h long anyway.

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>>15758581
>But I would recommend watching the rest of the franchise first.
Is that really necessary? Most of the movies are irrelevant. Honda's early stuff, Banno, and Kaneko will prepare you for Shin Godzilla.

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>>15758590
I don't know, what I like about this movie was his links to the themes of the Showa's movies. Mainly because I feel the Heisei and Millennium era failed to be more than just fun.
GMK is great, but I feel it's the weakest of the Kaneko's films, and I think the gamera trilogy is a more suited watch for an eva fan.

Shin on the other hand is constantly referencing former movies and theme, and actualising them with the Fukushima incident.

Please post Desotroyah

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>>15758628
GMK is better than Advent of Legion and how is Gamera more suited for Eva sensibilities?

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>>15758637

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>>15758637

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>>15758659
Whether you prefer GMK or the Gamera trilogy is up to you, I prefer the characters on the gamera's films, but I really like the idea of a Godzilla as a grudge from victim of war crimes.

Anyway Shin got the gimmicky directing of Anno for sure, and it does give the movie an appeal for eva fans, but the whole pseudo-ufologist subplot both in eva and gamera, as well as all the kaiju fights of the first half of Eva makes (see pic related) me associate the two more than eva and shin.

But yeah Eva draws huge influences from the classical Showa stuff as well I might be mistaken.

>>15755388
it's both what >>15755553 says, but also Anno leaving a possible sequel hook in the ending

>>15758042
well this looks interesting

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>>15758812
Yeah I and was really looking forward to a sequel, too, but now Toho says they won't do one until after 2020, and I bet it won't have anything to do with Shin. :(

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>>15758812
>also Anno leaving a possible sequel hook in the ending
no more of a sequel hook than the end of Gojira and GMK

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>>15755388
>>15758812
It's also a analogy of the Fukushima problem, that has been stopped for now but is just ready to explode again, with the government continuing to open new power plant and the fact that the Fukushima Region is still radioactive.

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>>15758886

>>15758886
This is the most plausible explanation.
The problem will never be really solved.

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>>15751733
This fucker, Gigan, and the fight scenes are the only reasons to watch Godzilla: Final Wars

I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna marathon all of the Toho movies that are remotely Godzilla related.

>>15757700
Press SKREEONK to pay respects

>>15759536
Do it. That means you will need to watch Rodan, The Mysterians, and pretty much every Toho sci-fi movie from the 1960's.

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>>15759527
>Anguirus finally gains a useful ability

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>>15759617

SKREEONK

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Any of you guys know where I can find an English version of pic related? Heard about it because of Shin Gojira and want to check it out.

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>>15759706

RIP Godzilla

>>15757700
F

>>15759768
English? Ha, no.
I've been looking for it in Japanese for a while, though. You find raw scans?

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Hey so can any of you chaps who have the Blu-ray take me a screenshot of when the pretty-faced government guy meets the freelance reporter in that beautiful park? My friend's XBox doesn't take screenshots and I for the first time ever downloaded an Ultraviolet video but am amazed it restricts screenshots. Much thanks.

>>15759706
I forgot about that.

>>15759677
Alright, I'm starting the marathon now.

>>15753268
Da fuck is that thing?

>>15761257
I just finished Gojira after 2 hours of preparation.

First movie is 5/5, holy shit.

>>15761722
You obviously haven't seen Godzilla vs. Megalon.

>>15761752
Right??

>>15761777
Nice digits, also yes; I do think that Gojira is 5/5.

>>15759768
>>15760819

What is this?

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>>15761257
ganbare, anon! have fun!

So I had a dream the other night that I was in a big budget hollywood remake of War of the Gargantuas, and Sanda was being played by Nicolas Cage.
What does this mean?

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>>15761025
Might this be it?

>>15762003
It sure is!

>>15760819
Apparently the Kindle app has it on there? Also it was for sale on some Japanese site for a download. But I can only read Kanji since I know Chinese so I may have been wrong.

>>15761944
Nick Cage actually does kinda look like Sanda.

So I just saw Mothra vs. Godzilla (64).

It was pretty fun and silly, but I seriously don't get why it's considered a staple of the showa era and is given such high praise.

>>15763629
It set the bar for what the typical Godzilla formula is, since the only ones that came before it were King Kong vs. Godzilla and the first two, which had almost ten years between them.

Also you have to admit the effects were pretty solid. They improved on their compositing from the last film and Mothra is a marvel. The humanitarian message is really heartfelt in this one, too. It all adds up.

>>15763629
Basically it's all-round decent and not as fucking shit or as divisive as some of the other films. It was also the last movie for a long time that presented Godzilla himself in a serious way.

>>15751733
Why does looking at this make me so lonely and sad?

I really have to do something about this...

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>>15763629
The characters are charismatic and their struggles engaging (among the best in the series), Akira Ifukube perfected his scores here, and the monster action is finely crafted and unique. Outside of the original film, this is one of the few movies where both people who enjoy Honda's sensibilities/aesthetics and the people prefer the titular character being treated with (almost) complete gravity and seriousness are served well. While it's light-natured, it doesn't fall into outright camp. It also features one of the more popular Godzilla designs. After this film and Monster Zero the technical quality of these films would be on an inconsistent decline for a decade.

>>15764466
like that picture of Sonic being given his Nintendo employee ID from Mario

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>>15764471
I like that image of my waifu, MILLA JOVAVICH, in the background.

>>15764466
Even with his missing tusk I still want him in my life.

>>15764466
He looks depressed. Poor thing.

>>15750092
I'm hyped for this trilogy, but the animation levels worry me. Frame rate looks really low and it's psuedo-3D. Even if it's well written it will look like ass.

>>15764668
I can't help but think of RWBY, every time I see a human character.

>>15764466
>sun/moon has a kiosk that says pokemon battle event
Tell me more.

>>15764668
It looks similar to Knights of Sidonia. The manga was awesome so I looked into the "anime" but it wasn't all that great, mostly cause the art was trash. This looks similar but since this "anime" is the only way to consume this story I will suffer through it.

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>>15764485
oh, no I meant it reminds me of this photo stunt they did, I think it was about that olympic game with Mario and Sonic, and it was suit people of Mario and Sonic and Mario was giving Sonic, like an official Nintendo ID since he worked for them, now

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>>15765002
I'm sorry, I was drunk.

>>15764466
The Myth got DMCA'd off youtube months ago and nobody's re-uploaded it yet.
Nobody loves Gamera.

>>15765283
that sizzle reel with the kid and the Gaoses?

I'm mostly sure I downloaded it and mildly confident I already uploaded a copy

>>15753923
It's Toho Vision

>>15765328
I meant the end credits theme from the first Heisei movie.

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Does anyone saw the Italian colorised version ? Any thought ? Any links to get it in not shitty VHS rip quality ? All I found was this http://rarelust.com/godzilla-1977/ but the subs and the video are shit.
There is some kind of teaser in good quality on youtube (see pic related) but not the full film.

I love the music tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OyWqoB82lE

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What do you hope for in the next live-action Japanese Godzilla movie? What monsters, characters, setting, music, narrative, director, etc? Do you want more CGI or would you prefer going back to the basics?

Anyone have a Rodan 1956 subbed torrent? Only ones I can find are dubbed.

>>15766570
JET JAGUAR

>>15766666
Obey ultra satan.

Saw Shin Godzilla in theatre yesterday.

It was fucking amazing.

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Thoughts on this kaiju

>>15766666
It's on the pirate bay, with sub and seed.

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>>15767988
Cool, but can he beat his american opponent?

Is there any way to download the Kaoru Wada re-recording of the 1954 ost?
Too poor to buy.

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This is what happens when Godzilla lifts for 20,000 years.

>>15768480
Try RuTracker

>>15768530
We'll get a new angle one of these days

>>15768657
>アニメゴジラの全貌にご期待ください!

Hopefully soon.
They still haven't revealed his height, it might be up to 200m.

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>>15768669
>it might be up to 200m
Where did this number come from? And if it's true now they're just pushing it.

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>>15768726
Just a wild guess.
The statue they're building is 2m.
The building they chose to advertise Goji is over 200 meters.

It's probably too much, I think a reasonable is estimate is around 120m.

>>15748598
add Shin and we have a solid list

>>15768845
Shin is good though

>>15768845
Yeah no, unless you're one of those TK or Facebook contrarians.

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>>15768845
Let me guess. "Terrible" special effects and "nationalism?" If so, I have a better candidate for that description.

>>15769254
Nah, VS King Ghidorah is a criticism of Japan's arrogance. Far from nationalistic.

https://youtu.be/zVj-vNukfV8
What do y'all think of this? For what it is, I think it's pretty well done, mainly for the interview with Akira Takarada and company. The conversation with the nerds at the bar was good as well.

>>15769503
Do go on. Lay out a sensible argument.

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fan colorization of the new guy

>>15770444
That's really cool.

>>15751733
>No love for "100 promotion" Yaguichi

>>15756932
Goddamn, that's one fine poster.

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> In 1992 a young filmmaker named Shusuke Kaneko lobbied to direct Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992). Producer Shogo Tomiyama shot him down, opting for an in-studio director (Takao Okawara). Fearing he would never get a chance to direct a kaiju movie, Kaneko eventually accepted the task of reviving Daiei's Gamera franchise.

> At a fraction of the cost Toho was making their Godzilla films, Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) was an unprecedented success. As late as 1997, every single one of Toho's 1990s Godzilla films had failed to garner interest from overseas distributors. The studio had been under the false impression that the only way to reach a broader, international audience was to throw more money at their films. Meanwhile, Kaneko's Gamera was given immediate State-side distribution, theatrical screenings and praise from even western critics. The result left egg all over Toho's face.

>>15771010
Daei went bankrupt nonetheless, plus the gamera's films were in part produced by Toho, see the logo at the beginning of the movies.

>>15771109
They distributed, nothing more. Every theater in Japan is practically owned by Toho.

>>15771256
So the succes of Gamera bring more money to Toho, from there perspective, it's a good things that those films exist. There is no concurence between the two franchise.

Plus Godzilla Vs Mothra did earn a bit of a succes in japanese theater too.

>>15770444
we /thicczilla/ nao.

>>15770405
Godzilla straight up destroys Tokyo's then new tax towers, and he kills Shindo, a former Imperial veteran who prospered off Japan's new wealth that was brought upon economic arrogance and exploitation

>>15771010
When the first Heisei Gamera film released, Toho was embarrassed by how much more better it was than their own movies despite being made with half the budget. They gave Kawakita a smaller effects budget too since they thought he could do the same as Higuchi. He obviously couldn't.

>>15771388
Shin was thicc, anigoji is bara.
He's also not a carbon based life-form, a unique trait among other gojis.

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Has this ever been subbed?

>>15771885
The Millennium got off to a weak start and Toho was on the verge of shutting it down early. They turned to Kaneko for help and he gave them the highest grossing Godzilla movie of the era. Also the most acclaimed in years at that point. Then Toho returned to business as usual before putting their faith in Ryuhei Kitamura and boy did that backfire.

I watched Shin Godzilla in the cinemas finally this week, and it was great. Really enjoyed it.

I want to get it on blu ray, but apparently there's problems with the BD version to do with the subtitles?

>>15771944
No idea, but the 1994 Yamato Takeru film did get subs however.

>>15773024
Any idea where I should start looking for it? I've been waiting for that one forever.

>>15773081
Generally one could try to find it on Piratebay or the Kickass Torrents mirrors.

>>15772129
Well GMK's performance is clouded because it was double-billed with Hamtaro, which was the first time they did that, so it's unclear how many people came to show their kids Hamtaro and how many actually cared about Godzilla.

Also Toho asked Kaneko to come back, but he was already starting work on To Sing of Love, so they fell back on Tezuka.

>>15772550
American Blu? I haven't noticed any problems.

>>15773991
The Kiryu Dulogy were also paired with Hamtaro and it didn't help them much

>>15774019
Fair point.

>>15773991
GMK was also the first Godzilla movie where word of mouth caused the second week to be stronger than the first.

>>15770444

Any idea how the eyes are suppose to be?
And personally, I don't like that jaw, like a cartoonish Zilla...

>>15774176
Huh, now that I hadn't heard. Awesome.

>>15751733
>there exists a cosplay porno from the shin Godzilla chick
Wew

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>>15774892
I was just thinking after watching it again that I'd like to see a scene where autismo girl and the rest of the team statistically figure out how many of their dicks she can suck in an hour while Decisive Battle plays in the background.

Anyway, post webm's.

Why do people like Showa It's not as if though I hate Showa, there's just legitimately nothing interesting that it can offer me.
I just can't sit down and watch a hour of extremely formulaic and objectively bad acting and writing with little to no hook besides "hey im watching old thing this is neat i am so patrician". I'm not enough of a masochist to subject myself to that and I don't care enough about the opinions of others online to try and gain their approval by pretending that I think Showa is in any way actually better than any Heisei.

>>15775033
is this just the spicy new meme or are you the same troll/ autistic kid in every thread?

>>15775033
But Showa is better than Heisei. Heisei was made to sell bandai toys, the showa films actually have something to tell.

>>15775419
Dudes been posting that in every toku thread, its either the original guy and he is truly the most autistic person on the planet, or someone posting it as a meme, either way I dont think anyone truly dislikes showa Godzilla as a whole. If they do, I feel bad for them.
And Heisei is fine as well. No need for stupid era war in a Godzilla thread because each era has its awful movies and great movies

You know Final Wars may be one of the weaker films. But its just so balls out insane and fun that I just love it.

>>15775431
>each era has its awful movies
Such as?

>>15775988
Just my opinion here, But showa has Godzilla raids again and son of Godzilla, Heisei has Godzilla vs Mothra, and Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla. Awful may have been too strong a word, but those are the movies I enjoy the least. Each of those movies have elements that I enjoy, but overall are not good movies.

And I've seen the millennium series the least so I can't really comment on them as much

>>15776261

For the millennium series I'd say Vs Megaguirus is the bad apple in the bunch

>>15776261
Son of Godzilla isn't even bad at all. Everybody only bitches about superficial problems like the suits when everything else is just as good as the other Showa films.

>>15776293
It's the movie I've seen the least out of showa series, so a re watch could change my opinion. I think ive only seen it once all the way through, unless I watched it as a kid and just lumped it in my brain with Godzillas revenge

>>15776273
Megaguirus > Godzilla 2000

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>nobody is talking about this ITT

>>15779926
I nuked my social media and don't follow the news. Is this from the anime?

>>15779947
No, it was posted by Godzilla 2's director.

It's the Oxygen Destroyer

>>15779958
Oh fuuuuu

What I want to know is does Universal intend to follow up on the Them! tease from Kong?

>>15779926
What's the point of an Oxygen Destroyer when it's stripped of all of it's importance and relevance in the MonsterVerse?

>>15779981
There was a Them! tease?

>>15780009
There was a scene where John C. Reilly's character went out of his way to talk about giant ants on the island that sound like birds, and as far as I know WB still owns the rights to Them!. I feel like I'm the only person to notice it.

>>15779981
Also I meant Warner Brothers lel.

>>15779926
>>15779958
What couldnit mean though? Godzilla dies at the end of this one? Or we find out that 2 takes place in the past, and that Godzilla is destroyed with an Oxygen Destroyer? Or just a cool piece of Godzilla lore that the director wanted to post cause he thought it was cool?

>>15780033
Hope it bears fruit. Them! were a byproduct of nuclear testing, right? That'd fit in just fine with Godziller.

Part of it's probably that not too many people've watched Them!.

>>15780054
The apparent title of the film will be Godzilla: King of Monsters, so there's a link to the 1956 remake. Still doesn't fit with the time line they established.

>>15776293
I think a lot of people get Son of Godzilla and All Monsters Attack mixed up

>>15762220
Yeah, it's on JP Kindle for ~¥750

>>15780578
I owned all monsters attack as a kid and not son of Godzilla so it will always be better in my nostalgic eyes

>>15780578
Son of Godzilla is decent but not really good. All Monsters Attack is truly one of the worst Godzilla ever made, even if it's from Honda, and still have nice visual ideas.

>>15775988
>>15776261
My personnal Worst Godzilla's movies were Final Wars for the Millennium era, Vs Mechagodzilla for the Heisei Era and All Monsters Attack for the Showa Era. If you want to talk about american remake, well the 98 film is the worst, but still managed to be better than the 3 other I mentionned earlier.
But that's my opinion.

>>15773081
ADV put it out on DVD

>>15780492
What if they use the OD on King Ghidorah in the movie and not Goji?

>>15782006
>King Ghidorah
>Not in the skies raining death
Kek

https://twitter.com/Aimer_07/status/897568809539616768

>>15783281
>https://twitter.com/Aimer_07/status/897568809539616768
That roar at the end reminds me alot of the 98 roar. I like it

>>15751764
>replying to almost two weeks ago
I honestly love the shit out of that moment. Just this guy is SUCH a fuck that he refuses to even back down from Godzilla. It's one of my favorite moments in the entire series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16K-M2IzTWw

Habbedig.