Knights&Magic thread

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>tfw you'll never be king and have your own blinged out machine

>>15677196
>Episode 2 is out.

Where?

>>15677204
Japan.

>>15677204
Not op but nyaa.si

>>15677204
on the internet

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>>15677204
Any of the nyaa clones.

>>15677208
>on the internet

what's that?

>>15677213
It's a magical place.

>The horse-bot is not in the OP

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>15677209
>flying mechs in the background
He did it, the madman went ahead and actually did it.

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>>15677219
Gotta put that airship he picked up to good use.

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>>15677202
Each nation has a King/Emperor exclusive machine that is supposed to be upgraded and tuned for top of the line performance.

Raids of Valor is Fremmviera's, and it's actually kind of catchy. Moreso having its docking station be a throne in the throne room. I do wonder if they ever refitted it with strand crystal and sub-arms though. Even Gordesleo and Silver Tiger are more advanced than Raids of Valor.

>>15677209
>Flying mermaid Knights.
FUCK YEAH!

Though it seems that the float system is too large for Ikaruga.

I do wonder if Eru also doubled-up the reactors in the flying types in order to give them extended endurance for aerial bombardment (rather than rely on mana batteries).

Additionally, I wonder if the captured Tyrantor and Wittenora units were ever repurposed or refined for Fremviera's use. The Tyrantor or Tyrantor derivative would make for a great Demon Beast vanguard Silhouette Knights, while the Wittenora or derivative would make for great scout and messenger Silhouette Knights, while being cheaper to operate than Tzendrible.

Then again, Tzendrible has better endurance (entirely dependent on the pilot and maintenance) and can also serve as a transportation unit.

>>15677219
Neither is Gordesleo, Silver Tiger, Karrdator Dash, Karrdetolle, Adelecumber, or Guylinda. All of which were major upgrades and customs branching off from Eru's technology. I'm really hoping they all appear proper.

>>15677220
I wonder if they have magi jet thrusters to provide additional acceleration and direction change. The floatships were pretty reliant on wind for faster movement, but otherwise moved pretty slowly. That aside, the float tech was pretty strong; able to support a float ship fully loaded with 4-6 Tyrantors.

I could see Eru stuffing two ether reactors on the flying knights; more to power the thrusters for directional movement and allow for extended aerial bombardment, while the float system does the job of keeping them floating.

>>15677259
>The floatships were pretty reliant on wind for faster movement,

The floatships had mech figureheads casting wind magic for maneuvers. But being huge barrels, they certainly depended on wind pressure for most operations.

Though up to now, common wind directions don't seem to have had any noticable influence on their operational capabilities at all, other than making them go faster or slower - they could take off and go anywhere with absolutely no issue.

The OP is so fucking good, I love Fhana

>>15677331
Yeah, that's what I meant. The Zaloudec Kingdom's floatships needed continuous casting of wind magic to really guide them in the direction they wanted to go, and while the engines had high lifting capabilities, they seem to have no real directional movement capabilities aside from up/down.

Fremmviera has the magi thrusters, and trading out a bit of carrying capacity for an ether drive or two to power the thrusters allows for easier and faster directional movement. Heck, they could even tone down the output so that they can provide a continuous push without depleting the mana output or wasting it on casting wind magic to the sails. Granted, I'm not sure if those floatships in >>15677209 are Fremmviera's or Zaloudec's. If Fremmviera's, they seem to have no notable thruster points.

That aside; Fremmviera is now equipped to not only perform sustained aerial combat and knight drops, but powered armor drops. Now Eru just needs to develop and refine the TOW Javelin concept so that they would have rudimentary TOW missiles for anti-human use and TOW javelins for anti-Demon Beast use (where impaling is preferable).

>>15677196
i still hold this series hands down flat as AOTS and this last episode confirmed it for me, kinda hope we get to the giant migrating beast wave and the centaur knight scaring the crap out of literally everyone.

>>15677474
>centaur knight

we Galient now

I can't believe how shitty this is compared to the manga.

>>15677418
>Now Eru just needs to develop and refine the TOW Javelin concept so that they would have rudimentary TOW missiles for anti-human use and TOW javelins for anti-Demon Beast use (where impaling is preferable).

It's mostly an issue of power. They'd have to combine the TOWs with those engines to get enough magic juice into them. Which would require humans or elves to start mechanic mass-production of smaller classes of engines.

>>15677474
I wouldn't call this AOTS. It's full of shitty writing.
But It is gonna be one of the more enjoyable shows of the season.

>>15677538
TOW missiles would just need explosive filler in the head or body of the weapon, to make up for the lack of mana needed to ignite an explosion spell, unless they use crystal tissue to store reserve mana and a delayed detonation script to replicate an explosion. If they wanted to extend the range a few seconds; a body of crystal tissue with mana reserves for the jet thruster would work, powering the thruster once the powering wires were separated.

TOW javelins were used as both rudimentary anti-floatship AA and indirect artillery vs the Tyrantors, so even as-is, they would work fine as onboard weaponry, as opposed to a downward-facing rock-throwing catapult.

With Fremmviera now having float ship capabilities, they could theoretically outfit them with TOW launchers and mana cannons, trading cargo capacity for the necessary ether reactors to power the guns and TOW weapons (which rely on mana transmitted via the wire to power the magi jet thruster long enough to get the javelins on-target before kinetic energy takes care of the rest).

I don't expect true missiles; since that would be a waste of valuable ether reactor materials in one-off weapons, but the TOW concept would work for the purpose of modernized medieval-style warfare, allowing for more accurate "artillery barrage".

I kinda feel the behemoth fight wasn't as good as in the manga. And the manga has a nicer looking cockpit design as well. The anime looks too spacious.

Kuscheperca Kingdom's machine was the Kartoga Ol Cauchard, but it was destroyed during the invasion. It'd be interesting if they ended up adopting a Tzendrible variant to be their replacement King's/Queen's machine, rather than based off the new Revantiers.

This show is incredibly fun.

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Do we know how many ep we'll be getting? I'm really enjoying it.

Even if K&M has shit pacing it's still fun to watch and enjoyable so far.

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RiP, you were piloted by a idiot.

>knows how to pilot a giant robot using a method no one even thoughht of

I almost forgot this was isekai

>>15677733
He really was more of an attack dog than a general to begin with.

>>15677764
His childhood friends master the technique as well and so do the three Sempais, though to a lesser degree.

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>>15677772
Yeah, but he took a really nice looking machine with him to his death.

>>15677733

Is this a page directly from the manga? It's way better than the old image I have of this mech.

>>15677704
>Even if K&M has shit pacing

In the manga is the fact that he's a computer programmer from earth important in any way? I was surprised at how they just kind of gloss over that to the point where he might as well just be a magical prodigy from this fantasy world.

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>>15677783
Eh, Eru probably salvaged the remains. All it did was kill the pilot on impact and break into pieces, but Eru said he'd salvage every last Silhouette Knight they would run across.

Also, where are you getting those scans?

>>15677801
I downloaded all the LN volumes because I wanted all the mecha illustrations in one place.

>>15677804
It was simply used to explain his abnormal magic calculation power and familiarity with magic script.

Aside from that, it's his otherworld hobby that led him to develop what he developed, which is the real justification for the isekai element.

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Reposting:

From front to back:
Guyale - Dietrich's Custom Trainer Model
Earlecumber - Edgar's Custom Trainer Model
Trandorches - Stock Student Trainer Model (used by Helvi and the other students)
Karrdator - Current Mainline Model
Tellestarle - Experimental Model
"Toybox" - Heavily Modified Karrdator Model (Eru's personal use)
Ikaruga - Appears last after this shot, but credits and lighting interfere with a good screencap.

I'm concerned they might skip out entirely on Tzendorg's development, which will really piss me off. I'm holding out hope that it's just a secret unit that will appear in credits after it's birth. That, along with the later upgraded Adelecumber and Guylanda customs.

They also skipped the Karrdator Dash, Karrdetolle, Gordesleo, and Silver Tiger, but I'm also hoping that they will appear in the anime proper.

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>>15677819
Can't wait for a creditless OP and ED; for better screencaps (instead of waiting for between credits).

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Reminds me of ML's Takemikazuchi Type 00R; but then again, both units share a common head design theme in samurai armor.

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>>15677805
Uploading all of the stuff to mediafire, gonna post the link as soon as it's done.

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>>15677829
Much appreciated; a better scan of Tzendorg/Tzendrible would be great, as well as of hopefully most of the Silhouette Knights to date.

At any rate, I'm hoping we can get translations of V6; and the developing romance between Ady and Eru. V5 is going to be released in August on Sky's blog now that one of their translators has gotten the Chinese V5.

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>>15677840
I'm incapable of redrawing things, the upload is gonna take at least half a hour more.

>>15677926
Take your time; I'm just happy we're finally getting some proper scans of the mechs. They tickle my fantasy mech bone just right.

So thank you.

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>>15677957
It's not really hard to find the scans but I don't wish the amount of bullshit add and popup nonsense I had to deal with on anyone.

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Eru really is /ourguy/.

>>15677840
I thought this was a yuri manga for a second before I remembered I was in the Knights and Magic thread.

>>15677957
Here we go, hoping everything's there.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/98gpk3dm87zh37g/KandM.rar

>>15677926
>>15677968

If by "redrawing" you mean stitching them together, honestly I'm ok with the gap in the middle. We still have the complete pages this way.

>>15677972
>that laugh as Guer starts moving

I wish I could feel such bliss

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>>15678007
Yeah, drawing the parts that are missing sounds like work because the bottom and top halves just don't fit together nicely, you manage to line up the top right and the bottom turns out to be out of alignment, same with vice-versa.

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>>15678018
You can tell all the man felt was pure bliss.

>>15677968
I wonder how many ether reactors it has, in addition to the etheric float device.

The weight brings it close to a Tzendrible, and those had twin ether reactors.

It does seem to have a magi jet thrusters on the hood/backpack assembly as well.

>>15678019
God, that's pure sex. I do wonder where the compact silhouette arms are though; his custom should have had a pair hidden under the wings.

I was always fond of wings on mechs; whether it's Angel Zero's or AC4's Noblesse Oblige's weapon wings.

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>>15678037
Having 2 reactors seems to more than double a machine's power output from what I remember.

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>>15678003
Oh, much better than I was hoping for! Thanks a million!

>>15677990
Well, there is a female with most of Eru's features in Xestmarg of Silver Snow. Supposedly it has an LN. Same mecha and character designer as KnM.

>>15677990
>I thought this was a yuri manga for a second before I remembered I was in the Knights and Magic thread.

Ha. If only. Then this show would be perfect.

>>15678099
Fuck off /u/fag

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V7 gets weird fast. Multi-eyed giants and floating silhouette knight things able to carry said giant.

V5 and V6 are looking exciting though; the princess warming up to her knight Chid, and the development of the new flying Silhouette Knight.

>>15678118
>NO! I don't want hot lesbians in MY mecha anime! I want sexy boys!

Right. Pretty sure you're the cock gobbler here. ;)

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Don't care

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>>15678165
These folks are fucking huge.

>>15678172
>double eyes.
That seems like an art error.

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>>15678175
Their kind seem to be multi-eyed giants.

>>15678172
da fuck?

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>>15678134
Got your /u/ right here boys

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this show is going to end up like heroman isnt it

>cute mc
>manga in limbo
>completely forgotten

So when does the shota makes a notZeta?

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This is a """boy"""

>>15678041
Those aren't wings they're shields.

>>15678458
Same difference. I like 'em.

>>15678278
I wonder who became the test pilot of the prototype, and later the pilot of what I'd guess would be the 4th Division specializing in Aerial combat.

>>15678443
Cute giggles.

>>15677697

12. It has the material to go a full 26, but I doubt it will get a second season. Looks like a show, given how quickly they rushed through the contents of the novel in just two episodes, to end in 12.

Based on the PV, the show will end with the spies making off with the first generation custom knights. Which will basically be "now, go read the novel for the rest."

>>15678254

It kind of makes sense if you consider episode 2. Recall the size of the massive trees and the giant fucking roots that are ALL OVER the empire's territory.

>>15678529
No way will it end that early. At the pace they're going the prototypes being stolen will happen in episode 4. Since Ikaruga is in the opening, the earliest the anime could end would be after the duel with Christobal.

>>15677764
It makes sense though. He was trained as a programmer, and people of the other world see the robots as an extension of the human body. He doesn't. It let's him think outside the box, and it is not like the other people in the world can't do it too once he explains it to them.

>>15678458
Doesn't really matter if they are really wings as long as they look like wings.

>>15677529
Novels > Manga > Anime

>>15678529
Shit; is it really only 12? Not 13 or 14?

They're either going to rush Tellestarle's or Tzendorg's development as fuck, or omit the presentation battle between NTR Labs and the Silver Knights. Or just fuck over the character development.

Do you know how much material the anime covers of the novels? I want to watch it while I read them.

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>>15677196
>tfw always avoided episode 1 of any isekai anime because i cant stand the "i was transported into another world" dialogues and pretend it was never isekai in the first place and just a normal fantasy anime on the next episodes.

>>15677220
>>15678172
Jesus... What's with all the spoilers in this thread?

>>15678613
>Shit; is it really only 12?
Most likely. There's only three BDs announced.

>>15678617
At the rate things are going, up to V4.

Episodes 1-2 covered V1, skipping some character development (notably, the twins) and Eru's early training (both self-taught and school-related).

>>15678647
Here's to hoping for a second season; and it's just split. Or even just 2 more special episodes to wrap up V4 properly, like how some series now end with a movie/OVA extra episode. I really want proper Tellestarle and Tzendorg development, but with the lack of Tzendorg in OP and ED, I'm worried the anime will fuck Tzendorg's R&D phase and rush the entirety of V4.

>>15678624
Honestly, you can get the same experience by skipping the first 5 minutes of this one.

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>>15678626
Neither translated nor likely to get animated unless we go 26 episodes.

Xestmarg not related.

>>15678570
I don't read LNs. They are almost always poorly written. I don't know if it is because of the original author or poor translation, but they are always dry as hell.

>>15678710
A combination of piss poor translations/overly literal translations, the light novel format and Japan's writing culture.

>>15678710
Well writing is one part but just adding to that the terrible, terrible translations creates a whole new beast.

>>15678710
It's because Japanese light novels have a certain "tone" to them that is very threadbare compared to Western or even Chinese "tone" in general. Korean narrative for example is even more disjointed in tone when translated to English.
But really it's because the tone of most light novels or web novels from all three regions are barely pulp fiction level.

>>15678746
>light novel format and Japan's writing culture
I don't know anything about either, could you explain?

>>15678773
I like pulp though. Help one of my favorite short stories is The Shadow out of Time by H.P. Lovecraft. I still find them to be unbearably dry.

>>15678778
That's the problem. I'm saying the overall tone is below that of classic pulp.

I kind of like how this series gets really into the building of mechs

>>15678788
Having the MC be transported to a society of mecha traditionalists makes for a nice bridge into exploring that angle.

After finally watching these two episodes I fully understand why the board likes this show. It's a simpler show, but it has a lot of appeal for mecha fans. Not unlike GBF in a way.

I haven't read the LN but judging from the fight in the 2nd episode, the manga does it better. The manga is going really slowly though so the anime story will pass the manga in 1-2 episodes.

>>15678773
>But really it's because the tone of most light novels or web novels from all three regions are barely pulp fiction level.

This, mostly. It's really trashy "THANK GOD THE KIDS ARE READING ANYTHING" fiction hammered out in days.

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>>15677196
Here's a good one OP:

>This ability to self recover, allowing the deceased Dahall and his gundam to keep on resurrecting. I'm positive, this guy has aquired abilities of the dark gundam WITH THE HELP OF KYOJI!!!

>>15678859
Fuck wrong thread, I blew it. I guess I'm done posting for today.

>>15678773
All East Asia novels(not the current era) have this "disjointed" tone. Try reading Thee Kingdoms, Water Margin, Adventure of Genji before the revised version and it will confuse you.

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>>15678861
>>15678859

>>15678859
>>15678861
>I'm positive, this guy has aquired abilities of the dark gundam WITH THE HELP OF KYOJI!!!!
Wrong thread as it may be, I guess you're not technically wrong.

Trap and magic

>>15678172
>These folks are fucking huge.
Na man, Eru is pocket-sized.

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>>15678863
So is the tone a consequence of the language? That it doesn't really lend itself well to narrative?

>>15678909
I'm not him but if you really look into Japanese, you'll see the language works extremely differently compared to the likes of English.

All the subs in anime are text written almost exclusively by the translator which tries to mimmic what the characters on the screen mean, instead of say.

Even the simplest shit like "Good morning" plain does not happen. What Japanese say is おはよう・お早う or "It's early". But it's used in the same sort of context as good morning so the translation goes with that. "Yokatta" comes to mind as an easy example where the translation has to completely remove the word's meaning in some places and preserve it in other sentences to get the message across. And this is but an elementary concept. You might as well need a novel writer doing the translation if you want to get anything even resembling a novel out of a translated LN.

Of course, I could be wrong since I've never read, let alone translated any Japanese LNs myself, but I would not be surprised in the slightest if something of the sort was at work here.

>>15677972
And yet prior to this anime everyone were being naysayers and gave no fucks. It really proves /m/ is mainly made up of secondaries despite having such a tight knit community.

>>15678986
Prior to the anime airing people were approaching with caution because it was some random LN adaptation that looked highly questionable.

Sometimes life surprises you. It was a reasonable reaction.

>>15678689
If you're retarded and love to gloss things over with your headcanon sure.

>>15678989
All they had to do was read it anon. Is it that hard to read something?

>>15678991
>All they had to do was read it anon.
Why the fuck would I read a Light Novel when I can just watch the anime? It's not like this author has constructed the isekai equivalent of Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones or something. It's a story about an otaku programmer who becomes a little kid in a fantasy mecha.

It's not fucking Shakespeare.

>>15679002
As expected of modern /m/, chimping out at the first sign of insecurity and bringing out high school literature cause that's the only form of literature they remember in their life.

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>>15679002
It took me less than a day to read everything that's translated so far, this isn't exactly a huge time investment.

>>15679006
>high school literature
>Lord of the Rings
>Game of Thrones
I'll give you the former perhaps, but when I was in high school I'd be willing to wager that there wasn't a single person who read Game of Thrones in the whole school. Probably just as many people that read Asimov and so on. I know you're just trying to troll and get a rise out of people by acting like an /m/-hating contrarian, but the only thing about your posts that irritates me personally is the inaccuracy of it all.

>>15679008
Sure, but the problem is that K&M was probably never mentioned once on /m/ prior to the announcement of its anime. At that point you might as well just wait for the anime and see if it's good enough to warrant reading the LN. Even then, can we say that the LN is a more polished and enjoyable product than the anime is? Often times the answer is a resounding negative. LNs can be a bit of a coin toss.

Evidently some people besides yourself want to blame elitism instead, which is just plain stupid.

>>15678986
To be fair, a lot of folks also might not have wanted to get their hopes up. It's better to expect the worst and be pleasantly surprised than it is to expect the best and be let down. I guess that sounds cynical, but that's life nowadays.

>>15678955
I don't know Japanese but this is an interesting read

>Still, I can’t help but wonder if the translation of literature, where the strengths and even personality of the original are embedded in the language, is futile, however heroic. “When you read Haruki Murakami, you’re reading me, at least ninety-five per cent of the time,” Jay Rubin, one of Murakami’s longtime translators, told me in Tokyo last month

>Rubin said that the first time he translated a Murakami novel, “The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle,” he phoned the author several times one day to nail word choices and correct inconsistencies. “In one scene, a character had black-framed glasses. In another, the frames were brown. I asked him: Which one is it?” I found Rubin’s anecdote revealing. The Japanese language acquires much of its beauty and strength from indirectness—or what English-speakers call vagueness, obscurity, or implied meaning. Subjects are often left unmentioned in Japanese sentences, and onomatopoeia, with vernacular sounds suggesting meaning, is a virtue often difficult if not impossible to replicate in English.


http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/lost-in-translation

>>15679020
>http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/lost-in-translation

Dang, this is fascinating.

>After the Second World War, novels like “The Old Man and the Sea,” “The Call of the Wild,” and “Moby-Dick” entranced Japanese readers yearning for a future of heroism, naturalism, and reason in the wake of the chaotic militarism and destruction they’d endured.

I'm always interested to hear about what books and novels and stuff from America left an impact on other people's cultures. I remember reading a while back that Karl May's cowboy novels were huuuge in Germany back in the day.

>>15679014
>but when I was in high school I'd be willing to wager that there wasn't a single person who read Game of Thrones in the whole school.

That's just your high school, how amazing of you to have such confidence in such an anecdote. It doesn't matter but GoT is still no different other than the sex and shock gore from LotR, it's not even college level by any means.

>but the problem is that K&M was probably never mentioned once on /m/ prior to the announcement of its anime.

That's a lie, it's been mentioned from time to time, and every single time /m/ either ignores it, or shits on it because all it had was a LN, and /m/ hates anything that has well crafted details. Want another example? Compare any Ark Performance series to the likes of Origin and Thunderbolt. Which is the better written series? Which is the more cliche and generic? Which is the one /m/ gives attention to the most? Just from answering those questions it already tells you the state of this board.

>>15679015
But that's the thing, the anime might be 'good' but it's also missing a lot which leaves a lot of appeal out of the way. Again most complaints are literally addressed by the novel, so it's pretty sad to see people acting like there's nothing missing.

>>15677207
>using the cartel site

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>>15679020
>http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/lost-in-translation

A fascinating read, if a bit under-appreciative of literature as a whole.

>The real surprise, perhaps, is that Murakami’s novels now incite a similar degree of anticipation and hunger outside of Japan, even though they are written in a language spoken and read by a relatively small population on a distant and parochial archipelago in the North Pacific.

Dude, Japan has 127 million people alone. Not counting the huge number of Asians who speak it as their foreign language of choice.

Compare that to the literature giants like Franz Kafka or Carl Capek. Two Czech authors with worldwide recognition despite the fact they spoke and wrote in Czech, a language known by about 5 million people worldwide at the time and some odd 12 million nowadays.
Literature comes from all corners of the world and Japan is anything but an underdog, being one of the most spoken languages on the planet. Heck, there's more native speakers of Japanese than there are of German.

>>15677202

12 year olds, dude...

>>15679034
>Dude, Japan has 127 million people alone. Not counting the huge number of Asians who speak it as their foreign language of choice.
>Compare that to the literature giants like Franz Kafka or Carl Capek. Two Czech authors with worldwide recognition despite the fact they spoke and wrote in Czech, a language known by about 5 million people worldwide at the time and some odd 12 million nowadays.
>Literature comes from all corners of the world and Japan is anything but an underdog, being one of the most spoken languages on the planet. Heck, there's more native speakers of Japanese than there are of German.
they're mainstream media
the fact he strung that many words together without a press release to work off of is a miracle
you expect him to know a damn thing about the world around him, too?

Man, that pacing is insane. They didn't even bother namedropping the monster aside from calling it a behemoth-type.

>>15679658
At least they didn't forget the foreshadowing by dropping the "hurry, begin preparations to salvage the core!".

Eh not gonna watch this right away, Active Raid killed my interest in modrrn anime for being so shit.

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>>15680102
>this guy

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>>15680102
kill yourself then

>>15680348
Not gonna, you go back masturbating to bad CGI.

>>15680102
I just finished the second episode, I can actually sincerely recommend this one. My thoughts from the last thread are solidifying: It's not really Dunbine or Escaflowne, but it does seem to be a very fun ride. The CGI is good enough, and the action is actually quite cool. In this episode they have to work together to beat a huge monster that's much bigger than their mecha, and I can't remember the last time I saw a fight like that in an /m/ show. I'd say give it a shot at least, just keep your expectations reasonable. If nothing else, this show is offering me some good clean fun, which ain't bad at all these days.

>>15679020
Well, which was it? Was it black or brown? I would have translated it as dark probably even though it's incorrect.

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this blue mech is fucking rad.

>>15680344
Yeah, AR sucked and at least 12 other people agree with me.

>>15680819
Hoping they don't fuck Ikaruga's happy fun times up.

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>>15680819
It's still hilarious how powerful it is, yet also how flawed it is. The weaponry are all flawed, and the only reason it moves as well as it does is thanks to Eru directly controlling it in real-time because the Magius Engine cannot keep up with all the functions.

Then again, it guarantees it being Eru's exclusive unit, because no one else can pilot it.

Still, it's nice and different; seeing a clearly OP unit that is extremely powerful but flawed, with very little of its capabilities making it into other units unlike other prototypes.

>>15677196
This show would be better without the narrator explaining everything

>>15680922
They're using the narrator to help skip over a number of non-combat sections.

1-2 already finished out volume 1, omitting some of the twins' development and Eru's early development and self-improvement. It also entirely bypassed some of the technical explanations of Silhouette Knight technology.

>>15680915
Yeah, the only reason Ikaruga works is because of Eru's autism and the turtle and bug queen cores. The damned thing's cockpit is set up like the Shinkiro's.

>>15680931
They also used the narrator mid-fight to explain how giant monster biology uses magic to support itself, instead of explaining it in a more natural way, or even excluding it all-together seeing as most audiences don't expect some kind of "logic" to why a creature could get so fuck-huge.

>>15680962
>most audiences don't expect some kind of "logic" to why a creature could get so fuck-huge.
mecha autists would. I'm sure we've had threads about how giant mechs wouldn't work due to physics. They need magic to support their mass. Normies wouldn't care, this is true but I don't think they're watching this show.

>>15680970
But in K&M, Magic is already an established phenomena. The LN describing it in the narrative makes sense, but using the narrator to explain it in the anime just distracts from the story.
Viewers would already assume the monsters use magic to sustain themselves, and if you really have to explain it, why not have Eru bring it up instead of having a voice-over talk about it.

>>15680819
>>15680915
Just now realized they took some slight design liberties between the anime model and the LN design.

Not that I mind much, since the anime model has a nicer and more ornate pair of horns, but it could use the middle gold armor plate on the shoulder pauldrons and more gold on the lower torso armor.

Still, I really hope they don't skip Tzendorg or the other custom units:
Hymerwort
Gordesleo
Silver Tiger
Karrdetolle
Adeliacumber/Eardeliacumber
Guyalinda

Especially not Hymerwort or Silver Tiger. The former being a custom Karrador hammer wielding unit and the latter a custom Karrdetolle for a certain person.

>>15680975
Yeah, I think that's the issue with adaptations of LNs and VNs, having to describe things in detail with a narrator is unnecessary when the viewer can actually see what's going on and can figure out stuff through context, and things move way too fast for the show to just stop and explain every minute detail like the text does

>>15679002
>Shakespeare
Marlowe is superior!

How much people are mad about how the show don't give a fuck about "show, don't tell"?

I'm ok with that over don't understand a shit.
Even the victory over and behemoth and magic hacks would be an asspull without explanation.

>>15680970
They fucking killed those thread way before it was ever made.

>>15680975
I think "show dont tell" is an really big obstacle over world building.
If you have to explain things by only showing, you have to make the world way more similar to our real world.
You would not be able to make complex mechanics without dozens of chapters to explain naturally.
Also the show knows we want action and thats why they are using narration. I like it.

>>15680962
I think the final explanation on how eru killed the monster kinda too the "oomph" on that scene. It was kinda lame.

Eru really should have had a monologue before doing the thing that went like "I will shock the creature brain trough the sword, it's my only chance!" rather then going after the fact
"oh yeah, he won because blah blah blah".

>>15681831
Yeah, I kinda agree with this. I might have had a lightning bolt strike the sword embedded into the creature's eye, and then you'd see a cutaway of the beast to watch the electricity travel through its nervous system and fry its brain. But thats just me, I don't think the narration is that bad.

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>LN
>Mecha
>isekai
>traps
>CGI

It's like a pentagram of utter shit to summon the worst possible anime.

>>15682202
The Isekai and trap parts are very much downplayed, so that's a relief I guess. For anyone who's read the novels, does Ernesti's past life have any impact at all on the plot aside from his programming skills? It doesn't seem like it does so far.

>>15677204
crunchyroll

>>15682220
Nope. It never comes up at all.

>>15682227
Ah, that's good then. Kinda makes me wonder why they even bothered with the isekai parts at all other than as an explanation for the protag's power. In one way though this is good, aside from the first 2 minutes of the first episode this is a pretty solid "straight fantasy" mecha series. Even Dunbine and Escaflowne, as much as I love them, had "isekai" aspects in the sense of the protagonists being sent from modern day Japan to a medieval world, with the plot revolving around their attempts to return. I can't remember the last time I watched a "pure" fantasy mech series without any connection to the modern world. Relic Armor Legaciam? Vanguard Bandits? Those were an OVA and a game, respectively.

>>15682232
the anime didn't really show it properly, but the moment he first sees the robots is when he accepts his reincarnation, and stops thinking about his old world much.

In the anime this is shown when his internal monologue changes voice actors

>>15680982
Tzendorg would be a real shame. They would have to rewrite some of the battles a lot.

>>15682202
CGI isn't as bad as it could be, and the mechs manage to have some weight.

>>15682202
>not liking traps

Are you OP? Because god, you're a huge faggot.

>>15682220
Nah, as far as everybody else is concerned, he's the son of two nobles who's way too into robots and who tripled down on his magic training fuck early.

>>15682232
The only things the isekai element were needed for was to explain:
- His strong magic script calculation ability (derived from his excellent computer coding skills)
- His ideas that overturned centuries worth of common sense (which resulted from his hobby of being a mecha otaku).

The first part could have been explained away as Eru simply being a savant with magic, but without the carryover of his hobby, it would have been much harder to explain why and how he overcame the world's version of common sense of Silhouette Knight construction, and would have to have taken much longer (such as having to already be in high school, going out on those expeditions, then being struck by brilliance of Demon Beast physiology and attempting to replicate it).

>>15682202
>LN
It's not bad.

>Mecha
And? This is /m/.

>Isekai
NOTHING NEW. See Escaflowne, Dumbine and Rayearth.

>Traps
Tieria Erde is a great example and you will find people that regret he's not a girl.

>CGI
It's not "eyes-bleeding" tier so quit bitching.

>>15682232
The problem is that if he weren't an isekai protagonist his intelligence would be ridiculous. People would be in here crying and screaming about how a child shouldn't be able to program and create mechs and shit. Instead people are in here crying and screaming about MUH ISEKAI.

>The first part could have been explained away as Eru simply being a savant with magic, but without the carryover of his hobby, it would have been much harder to explain why and how he overcame the world's version of common sense of Silhouette Knight construction
Yeah, you can easily handwave a child being good at shit they shouldn't be good at because it's anime, and that's just how things are. Being magically strong? Sure. Being magically strong, a top-tier programmer, able to easily digest dry technical information, create his own mechs, and also be good at piloting them?

Just in general where isekai is concerned, I actually thought K's&M was handled fairly well. Rather than having the MC just start out as being godlike, they were shown to have an extreme desire to become godlike coupled with previous knowledge and experiences that allow them to properly make this transition. It wasn't just one or the other, but rather a good mix of existing and developed abilities coupled with the MC's personality.

>>15677196
Does this show actually have any plot or character arcs? I'm curious because all the spoiler stuff I've heard is just setting exposition. Actually, after watching the first episode my impression of the show was that it's mostly exposition and power wanking the protagonist.

Establishing the supporting cast by having the narrator tell you that they are the protagonist's best friends is one of the weakest written character introductions I can imagine. All the exposition here was really weak. I think the nice visuals by 8-bit and Orange were the only things I liked about it.

>>15683714
>Does this show actually have any plot or character arcs?
It does kinda have a plot later. I don't think it has a big overarching plot, other than Ernesti building mechs though.
As for character arcs... The twins had one, but the anime skipped it to get to the mech fights faster.

>>15683714
The twins' first character arc explaining why they decided to go with Eru got skipped. The mecha pilots character arc should be starting next episode (with Dietrich having the most obvious development, but the other two getting a significant amount of development regardless). The male twin (Kid) gets another one later, while the relationship between Eru and Ady won't really be developed in the content of the anime (assuming it goes LN 1-5). Though you could argue that Ady becomes more serious about Eru as she grows up rather than staying in a perpetual state of puppy love.

Other than that, there are two adults that will be introduced later on that will get their own character arcs. The king isn't one of them, oddly enough, you'll see why later.

I would argue that LNs 1-3 have the overarching plot of Eru establishing his place in the kingdom and building his own custom mech. It's a loose overarching plot, but it is there. Something in the next 2 episodes (probably) will occur that will only be resolved by the end of the anime when Eru gets involved in a foreign war. Assuming the anime ends at Vol 5 that is.

>>15683775
>Though you could argue that Ady becomes more serious about Eru as she grows up

Grows up? Does this series extend into adulthood

>>15683784
It's medieval times, so 15 is an adult by their logic. There's one last major timeskip coming in about 4-6 episodes.

>>15680819

Jesus, I haven't watched recent anime in quite sometime because I've just been catching up to old Gundam's, but this looks fucking sick.

It looks like LOTR minas tirith + giant fucking mecha. Looks like I'll have to give it a try.

>>15678793
This is a little pedantic, I feel that it's more of a mechafag series than a mecha series. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but you do have to be pretty deep into mecha to enjoy this for its positives.

One look in his twitter account will tell you what his audience is. https://twitter.com/Amazake_Write

>>15682232
Oddly for an isekai story, it doesn't really try to justify why Eru is reincarnated with his memories. Usually, there's some supernatural conspiracy involved or at least implied, but from what I can tell in Knight's and Magic, the guy just had a lot of good karma.

>>15683714
>Does this show actually have any plot or character arcs? I'm curious because all the spoiler stuff I've heard is just setting exposition.

They skipped over much of V1's character development involving Eru's early growing years and the Twins' development. Going into a bit of LN spoilers, though I suggest you read it fully:

Eru's early growth is making himself to learn everything he can about magic early on in order to master all the fundamentals and skip into advanced courses, or else he'd normally not be able to become a pilot until he's in his middle-late teens, and begin training himself before he even is old enough to enter the Middle School Academy. This includes extensive physical training that eventually has him ninja running and jumping from roof to roof. Later, the LN goes into more depth at Eru's advanced course taking, and how he comes to realize that this world's common sense is far different than Earth's. It also goes into depth about Silhouette Knight construction and movement. There is also side building to state that he's part of an influential family.

On the Twins' side, it goes into depth about their family situation. Simply; they are the children between a rather influential nobleman and his former maid/mistress. When they meet Eru, his father was coming over to claim them into his family. It later ends up causing friction with their older half-brother, who is pretty shitty and attempts to screw over the two via bullying during their middle school years, due to a major inferiority complex over their much greater performance and skill.

There is also a tiny bit of character building for Batson, the dwarf, and how he also ended up playing an instrumental role in Eru's insanity, starting with making the trio's unorthodox gunstaffs.

Assuming the anime doesn't keep skipping the character development, V2 develops the rest of the core cast; Edgar, Helvi, Dietrich, Boss, the maintenance crew, etc.

>>15683864
I mean long term plot. All of this sounds like minutia that isn't in service of any real narrative. World building should be used to create verisimilitude and better invest me in either the stories or characters. It shouldn't be an end in and of itself. As it stands this feels very directionless to me. I also find the mech designs insufferably generic. Couldn't the designer bother to come up with some unique traits to differentiate these from other series? Like how Dunbine used an insect aesthetic for example?

>>15683856
>That's not necessarily a bad thing, but you do have to be pretty deep into mecha to enjoy this for its positives.
I feel the opposite. As someone really deep into this shit I look for shows, plots, and design aesthetics that offer something new and unique. "Robots fight because robots are so cool" hasn't cut it for me in a long, long time. This feels like it would play better to someone who robots are new and fresh territory to.

>>15684277
>As someone really deep into this shit I look for shows, plots, and design aesthetics that offer something new and unique.

That's the opposite of being deep into mecha.
You are tired of mecha and no long really into it if you need something beyond cool robots to watch a mecha show.

>>15684277
Pretty much this >>15684281
If you're really mechasexual, you would just watch anything mecha no matter how shit it is.

>>15677356
Cheers for your fine taste in music, anon.

Is this a good anime or just another generic 12 episode series cgi mecha show?

>>15684665
yes

>>15684665
It's worth a 3 episode rule at least.

>>15684277
The longest plot outside of Eru's journey to build his own mech (V1-V3) is the 2-volume (V4-V5) Kushipeca Kingdom Arc (however it's spelled).

I guess one could stretch out Eru's continuing pursuit of next level technology for mech use as a long-term plot, since the story doesn't end after he became a mech pilot and built his one-of-a-kind.

>>15683864
say, in the opening it showed a girl appear during the Ikuraga in space, does anyone know who that was in the novel?

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>>15684771
The princess of a neighbouring kingdom.

>>15684850
>kid going places
>meanwhile ady gets cucked by mecha
Being ady is suffering.

>>15684887
>>15684887
V6 Ady and Eru kiss and hold hands.

See >>15677840

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>>15684850
What's funnier is that Kid/Chid's tastes in women was initially influenced by Eru's looks.

>>15684890
He just kissed her on the cheek 頬 anon.

>>15684898
She doesn't look like eru at all though.

>>15684936
In the novel he goes: "Holy shit, she as pretty as Eru!" first before he settles on her and Eru's loveliness actually running on different tracks.

>>15684887
/m/en have no time for women

>>15684975
I hope Ady becomes a cyborg.

>>15684983
This can go wrong in so many ways.

>>15677246
http://knights-magic.com/mecha/

The website doesn't list any spoiler mecha and it doesn't list all of the mecha in the OP/ED (while listing some that don't appear there), so it's fair to assume that the OP/ED don't show all of the major mecha that appear. I hope.

>>15684281
>You are tired of mecha and no long really into it if you need something beyond cool robots to watch a mecha show.

>TL: Only manchildren enjoy mecha shows

>>15684983
Sounds familiar. Sounds like that shit show Arifureta.

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>>15685007
This is a pretty cool model.

>>15685019
>Only manchildren enjoy mecha shows
yes, that is true
welcome to /m/ enjoy your stay

>>15685019
What, is mecha some high-brow form of anime in your mind?

>>15685026
One common flaw of CG mechs is that they are too clean. I'm glad that the models have weathering on them.

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>>15685044
Yeah, it's pretty neat.

>>15682232
I've suspected for a while that the author wanted to do his own fantasy story, but had to comply to demands of his editors (reincarnation gimmick, multiple love interests for the protag).

While the author did use the reincarnation setup to his advantage (to explain away his ace skills via lessons learned via past life), it seems that he phased out the romantic aspect for the MC in favor of his mecha fetish and leaving love interests to his colleagues (basically, the opposite of Issei from High School DxD, whose author goes to great lengths to use the love interest aspect).

>>15685019
>>TL: Only manchildren enjoy mecha shows

>TL: Only manchildren enjoy anime
Why yes.

>>15685091
>only manchildren enjoy anything
True.

>>15685102
>only manchildren enjoy things that aren't sex with females, drinking and sports
At last I see.

>>15677972
I remember that feel, when I was playing Gundam Lost War Chronicles on PS2
The moment when I finally S ranked all missions of both sides without the help of google

>>15684983
Cyborgs aren't sexy, androids or bust

>That SUPER FAST bellringer at the beginning

Why the fuck was that so funny?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z92B_xw_aqk

Lewd

>>15685917
It was obviously done with a stupid low amount of frames.

>>15686038
I wonder if the creators will use the Tellestarle project to simultaneously explain how silhouette knights work while also infodumping all the planned upgrades.

That said, Raids of Valor is pretty sex up-close. Like a refined FSS unit with less bizarre joints.

>>15686038
That reminds me, does anyone still a gif or webm of the bellringer from Nobunaga the fool. Just wanna make a comparison

>>15680819

That's a cool design but it weirds me out how out of place it looks compaerd to the other SK

>>15686361
Well, Eru deliberately designed Ikaruga w/ armored samurai aesthetics in mind, so no surprises there.

>>15686361
It's supposed to

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>>15686361
I don't think its unusual since Eru brings in a different kind of ideas from the previous world. The same thing happened in Argevollen except it's an advanced prototype that looks like it got inspiration from Eva tagging together with mecha from Front Mission.

>>15686361
That actually becomes relevant later on. The fear and despair the enemy has over Ikaruga is both sadistically hilarious and delicious. I hope that the anime doesn't tone down the fear aspect.

>>15687108
So it's something like how everyone on the battlefield feels when Freedom Gundam drops down?

>>15687190
But much worse, considering that:
Silhouette Knights are not supposed to fly.
Silhouette Knights are not supposed to have more than 4 arms; two sub and two main.
Silhouette Knights are not supposed to move inhumanly.
Silhouette Knights are not supposed to have that level of power.
Silhouette Knights are not supposed to rival high level Demon Beasts.

Ikaruga is an affront to every kind of common sense that world has towards Silhouette Knights.

>>15687208
Oh, and Tzendrible evokes similar reactions, but at least is tempered by the fact that a knight on a horse would be expected; so a knight horse isn't too extreme. Further, Tzendribles don't fly.

>>15686464
Not really though. We saw Argevollen's body tech on the Bloody Hoppers as well. It's a more radical and more powerful variant of those combined with the control tech used on the C3 prototype.

will we get plamo? I love the designs

>>15688132
Doubtful, Bandai isn't a sponsor

Will this cover up to the war between kingdoms?

>>15688132
It's getting RDs

>>15688718
What are RDs?

>>15688737
Robot Damashii

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10469323

>>15688718
probably because Ikaruga is in the op

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>>15680915
>>15687208
>Smug look
Problem?

>>15685026
>>15685045

Also, there's a degree of function to the form. I mean, the design is extravagant; but given the implied Victorian-era-esque society, the designs are thematically in line. I just hope that the models that ultimately get released will have the same degree of weathering to them.

>>15695506
They're really making me want to replay Vanguard Bandits.

Probably the main difference between the anime and its source material in this episode is that it feels like the they completed development way faster than they actually did. Other than that, there was only the trimming and streamlining of details, most of them unimportant.

If I had to guess, they are going to cram the rest of volume 2 in the next episode, and have the next few episodes deal with novel 3. I hope. If novel 2 takes up another 2 episodes, I would worry about them skipping the centaur arc (the first half of novel 3) entirely.

I didn't like the back arms. Why not make it look more like the backweapons from armored core or something. Essentially just attach the rod on a swivel and make it a turret. The arm shape just makes it more complicated.

>>15697345
The basis of their technology is overly reliant on biology. Adding smaller arms to the back makes more sense to them than adding a swivel thing on the shoulder.

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Ady's jealous.

>>15697290
How many volumes are there?

Bandai's Damashii line already feels behind and outdated three episodes in. The figures really need to come with magic rods and they need to make some more designs.

>>15697588
Six

>>15697345

Also; rule of cool. Eru is a mecha otaku. Do you _really_ think he'd go for the practical solution, if the outlandish option is available?

There's something to be said for a universal manipulator arm as well. For one; It doesn't limit the knight to one particular type of loadout.

those subarms came out pretty easy

>>15697290
Like other titles they can throw in original stories just to piss novel readers off for good.

>>15697701
That wouldn't do them any good, since Knights & Magic isn't as well-known as Index.

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>>15697290
Man, they skipped out on the bodybuilder posing test for frame integrity of the attachment joints.

That aside, I want to fug the dwarf wrench wench.

>>15697810
They basically skip on FUN for more ROBOTS.

Kinda torn about that, but oh well.

>>15697694
Instead of making a new CG model to portray the destroyed sub arm, they can just pop it off its joint. Though, the joints being a weak point is believable enough.

A bunch of minor changes were for that reason. For example in the LN, Guair's sword became dull instead of breaking clean off before Eru replaces it.

>>15697977
>A bunch of minor changes were for that reason. For example in the LN, Guair's sword became dull instead of breaking clean off before Eru replaces it.

I'd argue that that particular change has nothing to do with not wanting to produce a new CG model and everything with intentional overexaggeration. It's somewhat of a necessity when you have to efficiently and expediently communicate certain facts in a visual medium.

If you're reading a book, having the weapon be stated to have become dull is communicated in just as strong and short a signal as the blade breaking. But for visual media, the breaking is much more noticeable; requires less explanation; and simply allows for better flow of the scene..

Compare the blade breaking and Eru tossing it aside with a short glance and a "Well; this is useless now!", with having him stop mid-action to intently stare at the weapon, showing seconds worth of freeze frame to clearly visually indicate the phsyically weathered state of the blade to the audience, and then spending even more precious seconds of time to mention "Well; this won't work anymore. It's totally dull!" That would totally kill the action of the scene.

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>ywn be a qt who just wants to build giant robots

>>15697810
Yeah, I just watched the episode. I was hoping they'd put that in, but oh well. At least that last duel between the knight dude and the lady knight was fun.

Okay, I now consider this anime to be hopeless. Skipping over so much content will only be detrimental to its run. Plus, why did they bother already adding batteries on Telestale before the mock battle? It doesn't make sense. Are they just trying to save money or something?

>>15701653
Nah, it was obviously going to be a catastrophe when it tried to cram 5 novels worth of material into 12 episodes. A lot had to be skipped for the sake of making a story work within the strict time frame with the capacity frame antics seemingly to be removed entirely. It's just nice to see the robots move.

>Are they just trying to save money or something?

Well duh. Even discounting the weathering, all of the 3D models they have to make for this show are way over the 3D budget of the typical anime.

Though if nothing else, Tellestarle still had energy issues even with the support of the capacity frame. They weren't fully fixed until the Kardetolle model.

>>15701653
They skipped the whole part about using more fibers as energy storage, so they can skip why they have the storage containers too.

>>15697345
The arm design is a lot more complicated, but it has a wider range of motion than a swivel and can aim diagonally if necessary.

>>15701653
I wouldn't say completely hopeless; but poorly planned. It will be completely hopeless if they skip out on Tzendorg's development, because that development was central to much of the later plot.

This series would have been much better as a proper 24-26 episode series; giving enough time for both character and mecha development.

>>15701997
Yeah, 5 light novels in 12 episodes just doesn't work. 12 episodes can barely contain 3 novels.

The only positive is that the mech action showed up a lot sooner than it would have otherwise. Behemoth would have been about 5 episodes in.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they only showed the NTR Lab's side of developing the Kardator Dash and only revealed the Tzendorg during the fight proper for shock value. It would be a shame, but Tzendorg's R&D can be summed up as sticking 2 pilots and 2 hearts into one mech.

>>15702036
True they could do that, and probably would with flashbacks to Tzen's development.

At the rate things are going, it's going to be more mecha fightfests with a bare semblance of story or development. While I appreciate the heavy focus on the action, it's really leaving behind some key developments on the character and mechanical level.

Behemoth's action would have been fine for Ep3, had they spent a little more time detailing Eru's early life as well as the Twin's subsequently joining him for training. They could still skip the sibling rivalry development and jump to the training camp as they did.


The rest of the volumes could have been fitted comfortably; one volume every 3-4 episodes on average.

3-4 for Tellestarle's development and theft as well as Eru's testing and development of the Silhouette Gear and Gear equipment.

3-5 for Tzendorg's development all the way through Graduation and Knight formation.

2 for Gordesleo's and Silver Tiger's development and Forest Disaster.

Then the remaining 13-16 episodes (assuming 26 eps at most) split evenly between V4 and V5, giving fair coverage of characters, battles, and both sides of the conflict.

At the rate the anime is going though, and assuming it really is only 12 episodes instead of 13, or 12 and a movie finale, it's likely to mostly be one-sided focused on Eru and Co (more than the LN) and further omitting many developments in favor of pure action.

Is this better than the smarphone Isekai?

>>15702252
I haven't watched that show, nor do I have any interest in trying it out, but even assuming all other factors are equal

Giant Robot>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Smart Phone

Even if this wasn't /m/, that's a pretty obvious answer.

>>15702292
Except smartphone goes full /m/ later.

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>>15702300
Will it do it within the span of the anime? You got my interest.

Everything's better with mecha.

Is the whole light novel series translated yet? I've only seen up to 3.

>>15702822
We're up to volume 4 right now.

>>15702822
V4, with translations of V5 starting in August, according to the current translator on Sky's site.

>>15702884
But where's V3?

>>15702891
http://skythewood.blogspot.sg/p/blog-page.html

>>15702300
Fuck, really? That's actually pretty cool, if they do it right.

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>>15703303
they fuck it up. Stick to this show, and forget anon ever mentioning that garbage again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOuI7ub4cKc

I wonder if they are going to shove the latter half of volume 2 into the rest of episode 4. Shoving in 2 battles in the next episode will be hard, but not quite impossible, and I'd rather they rush Vol 2 than Vol 3.

>>15703913
They look like they are about to do the Cha-Cha and break out in song and dance.

>look up ナイツ&マジック in pixiv
>Some Ady
>one Helvi (for some reason)
>Some mech related fan art
>Mostly Eru trap porn
>One where Eru is fucked while inside a Silhouette Gear
>0 where Eru is fucked or is fucking a mecha
One day.

>>15704112
We need /m/ to allow spoilered porn again, and Ratbat to return.

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>>15685007
Page got updated. I think they are planning to finish the bulk of Volume 2 next episode.

>>15704586
>sickle instead of the daggers

Wow, what a disappointment.

>>15704586
looks dumb

The episode addressed the rationale of the humanoid form of mecha and also the augmentation of sub arms and back mounted weapons.

The show is shit, probably gonna be a flop of the season.

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>>15677196
So is this show the closest we'll ever get to an anime of pic related?

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>>15677196

What is this show? I love me some fantasy mecha but the last one I saw (Break Blade) wasn't actually fantasy at all and just had high speed gun battling real-ish robots fighting instead of knights with swords and shit, with a main mech that belongs in FMP.

>>15706107
It's "real-ish" in the sense that the knight mecha are mass-produced, but it's definitely on the knights with swords and shit side of things, and the mechs fight fantasy monsters like giant bugs, demon apes, and this one really big giant demon thing so far. The main character has invented a kind of gun sword, but it shoots magic and the mecha cast magic with rods too, in classic fantasy style. I think you'd like it. As I often say, it's not Dunbine or Escaflowne, and folks here say it's really compressing the novels and cutting out some fun parts, but the show's still entertaining overall, which is a pleasant surprise nowadays.

>>15679020

My copy of the Illiad has a really interesting forward written by Lattimore explaining just how much artistry and poetic skill goes into translating poetry. I always think about it when I see weaboos online talk about how much they prefer subs over dubs because "its closer to the original intention" because by not knowing Japanese you are never going to get the same experience intended by the director. That and Miyazaki's line about dubs being superior because of mis en scene makes me shake my head at poor brain washed sub fags.

But yeah, translations are always a mix of the original writer and the translator. They wouldn't be good translations if they weren't.

>>15706117

My main gripe about the battle scenes in Break Blade was that it was pretty much indistinguishable from sci-fi real robot combat. Everyone was zipping around used automatic machine guns. If I saw any fight from the show without context I would never have assumed that magic was even involved in the show.

Break Blade was pretty bad for a lot of reasons, one of them being that it was a very thin adaptation meant to advertise the manga instead of being a stand alone work so when you say that its based on a light novel and it cuts a bunch of things out I'm getting red flags. But I'll give it a shot since it seems fun and the designs are pretty cool.

Also, the otaku dying and waking up in a fantasy world is a pretty common trope now, huh? Some of my non /m/ friends keep telling me about multiple manga with the exact same set up. Is this a comedy?

>>15706130
Isekai is just the most standard LN trope, it's so overused that Light Novel contests have started outright ban it as a setting.

>>15706130
This "isekai" (other world) thing has become a popular setting in Light Novels, after recent successes on the idea. Normal modern-day person finds himself in another world, either by dying and reincarnating by some mechanism, or by being summoned for some cause. It's become so popular as of late, that it's been banned from contests in Japan. The reason it's so popular is probably because it lets you relate to the main character easier; he's a normal modern-day person, instead of some medieval farmer's kid who wouldn't understand your value system anyways. The idea could be used in interesting ways, but most of them are pretty much just power fantasies for their own sake, because a lot of them start of as Web Novels without any sort of filter, and are picked up by Light Novel publishers because of the fanbase they already come with.

That said, only about a dozen or so anime have had this type of setting in the last decade, but this year seems to have the most all at once (three in just this season, and possibly atleast two more later), so I imagine it's only going to get more popular, or quickly die off.

>>15706133
>>15706138

I'll give it a pass because all the great fantasy mecha shows have that premise. Dunbine, Rayearth, Escaflowne. But when I hear my friends talk about their manga it just sounds like the most stupid shit that's more about wish fulfillment than being chosen for a task or going on an adventure. Hitomi is a fish out of water type when she goes to Gaia and it's interesting to see her adapt to the situation, whereas all the modern isekai I've been exposed to is about an otaku knowing exactly what he'd do in the situation.

>The reason it's so popular is probably because it lets you relate to the main character easier; he's a normal modern-day person, instead of some medieval farmer's kid who wouldn't understand your value system anyways.
You mean like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcFsfAthJ0

>>15706145
Usually when people throw hate to that setting it's to the newer ones like Re Zero, No Game No Life and so on where being a perfectly average modern day person happens to be a good thing in that new fantasy world. MC's trivial/common modern day knowledge giving a ridiculous edge.

>>15706145
Keyword: Easier.
In this context, it means "lazier". Why build up a character in a fantasy setting, when you can make a character your reader can know from the start?

>>15706130
It's not a comedy per se, but it's pretty lighthearted. Again, I heard they didn't put some of the funny stuff (like mecha doing exercises) in the anime, but it's still fun. Much of the humor comes from the protag just geeking out over mecha, he's a /m/an at heart, definitely.

>>15706167
Also, don't worry about the isekai thing, it's not really relevant to the plot aside from explaining why the protag is as skillful as he is. You see him for like 10 seconds at the beginning of the first episode, and he's a computer programmer, which makes him very effective in his new world because magic there works kind of like programming. But it's not really wish fulfillment aside from the idea of a /m/an waking up in a world where giant robots are real. You can pretty much imagine the protag is just a magic savant rather than an Isekai guy and enjoy the series that way, it literally never comes up at all aside from the very very beginning of the series.

>>15706088
If there was an anime of that, and it was 3DCG, I'd love it to have the weathering that this anime bothers to give to its mech models. That and the surprisingly weighty action scenes are the best part of the show even though its a rushed adaptation of the original novels.

>>15706130
Eru causes a technological revolution, so they start using normal swords less, but it never gets that bad, and it helps that the long range weapon of choice is a magic fireball. Eru does invent magical jet boosters, but within the span of the anime, they aren't practical enough to mass produce them yet, and the arguably most technologically advanced weapon they use are magically guided javelins launched by wire cables

>>15706130
This isn't really an isekai thing in the books, it's more like a person in a fantasy world just happening to have memories of a past life as a mech-loving geek.

>>15706138
>This "isekai" (other world) thing has become a popular setting in Light Novels, after recent successes on the idea
This is wrong, it became popular on the Shousetsuka ni Narou website (a site for people to upload their own novels) and the top ones were picked up to be commercialised with novel releases and media mixes. That's why they're also called "narou-kei" (narou types)

>>15706145
>I'll give it a pass because all the great fantasy mecha shows have that premise. Dunbine, Rayearth, Escaflowne. But when I hear my friends talk about their manga it just sounds like the most stupid shit that's more about wish fulfillment than being chosen for a task or going on an adventure. Hitomi is a fish out of water type when she goes to Gaia and it's interesting to see her adapt to the situation, whereas all the modern isekai I've been exposed to is about an otaku knowing exactly what he'd do in the situation.

Isekai is a setting, not a genre.

Most isekai things have their own twist on it and some of the most popular ones AREN'T shitty self insert superpowered protagonist shit. Konosuba is an isekai comedy starring a guy who has zero powers and is just a piece of shit, with a party comprised of useless bums and there are others that do similar stuff.

Some like Tenseishitara Slime datta Ken (which is about a guy reincarnated in a fantasy world as the shittiest monster type, a slime) have protagonists reincarnated as monsters which is USUALLY not power level bullshit stuff (Overlord is an exception with the protagonist becoming a level 50000000 invincible lich lord).

Log Horizon has a massive number of people wind up in a fantasy world at the same time and is mostly about them setting up a society and community there.

Some like Kemonomichi are about people who don't even become adventurers to begin with (Kemonomichi is about a pro wrestler who starts a pet shop).

"Isekai" is really just a setting and not a genre, and there's a massive range of genres using the setting. It's really not fair to dismiss everything in the setting just because one especially shitty genre tends to use it more.

>>15706322
Don't forget through guy who becomes a fucking vending machine, or the cooking show.

And speaking as someone who's actually read the K&M novels I want to say that it's most definitely NOT one of those power level fantasies. The show is doing a bad job by skipping over all the effort the protagonist puts in to things (it doesn't help that it's hard to show what he's doing).

The series takes place in a world where mecha exist, but people figure "oh they're just big people, so they have two arms and two legs and hold swords and shields and magic staves and that's all you can do with them".

The protagonist isn't someone from another world, but someone born and raised in this world who just happens to have memories of a past life as an ubernerd who loved mecha, and inherits this love. He gets these memories at an early age and this gives him the drive to start learning and training to be able to pilot (and later, design) mecha at an early age, and when he gets the ability to design robots he starts to go "what if we, get this, made a robot with MORE THAN TWO ARMS" "or one WITHOUT LEGS" "what if we made one that could FLY"- Basically just things any mecha-lover would say in this situation.

>>15706327
Yeah, and the setting (or combination of the setting and superpowered protagonist with harem genre) isn't anything new anyway: Byston Well stuff is an isekai setting, Masou Kishin and Rayearth and Escaflowne and Fushigi Yuugi and Masou Kishin additionally make the protagonist special and give them harems, and don't forget that the setting isn't even exclusive to Japan: After all, Fushigi Yuugi was inspired by Neverending Story, and of course there's always Narnia.

>>15706322
The problem with the reincarnation into the monster (or even other object) stories is that the protagonist inevitably becomes stupidly powerful through some sort of evolution process and having an over varied skill tree, and the story is forced to keep on going even if they have reached that point. I haven't read Slime though, I'm basing this mostly on Re:Monster and Spider. Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita manages to stall the process by having it more focused on the swordmaster getting strong rather than the sword the person is reincarnated into, but it still feels inevitable.

But yeah, I do agree that there's a large variety of genres that isekai can accommodate since it is ultimately an exaggerated use of the "fish out of water" trope. It's just an overused trope, and I'm a bit tired of having the protagonist be an average human with common sense which is the typical protagonist that the trope uses. Knight's and Magic has the good sense to make the protagonist a mecha autist.

>>15706327
Cooking show? And I thought panties (which starts out as a magical diaper no less) were the weirdest thing someone could reincarnate into.
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/panties-reincarnation-im-a-pair-of-panties-so-what/

>>15706345
>and I'm a bit tired of having the protagonist be an average human with common sense which is the typical protagonist that the trope uses.
Yeah, I feel that that's what makes K&M (and Konosuba) better than most, having protagonists that aren't "average sensible student/salaryman".

>>15706117
>and folks here say it's really compressing the novels and cutting out some fun parts, but the show's still entertaining overall, which is a pleasant surprise nowadays.

It's also making some pretty bad changes.

The dwarf is supposed to be a childhood friend like the twins.

The bit where Earnesty asks "should we go beat (them) up" is supposed to be referring to the twins' asshole stepbrother (who later kidnaps Adi so that he can propose and then cheat at a duel against Kid; This is cut entirely even though it's a massive part of what makes Adi fall for Er), not Stephania who is the person on that side of the family who fucking cares about them.

The captain of the knights at the fort sent ALL of the younger knights off as messengers (not just one guy) and then he and the remaining four of his men managed to stall the behemoth for HOURS, which is referred to "time more precious than gold". In the show he's a fucking dumbass who has all but one of his men charge at the thing and just die within seconds for absolutely nothing.

And of course they also skip over the majority of Earnesty's childhood and training which gives people the impression that he's a generic super-powered self-insert. They also fail to properly convey how he's primarily a child in this world who just happens to have memories of a past life, most people watching the show think he's a Japanese guy who just happens to be in a fantasy world's child's body.

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While we're discussing isekai and /m/ though I just want to say that El-Hazard is good.

>>15706338
>>15706327
>>15706322
There's also the "reverse isekai" thing which has people from a fantasy world come to Earth instead, which is mostly done for comedy in recent years but has its roots in stuff like Dunbine and the Rayearth OVA.

>>15706379
This brings me back. Bug bro was best character.

>>15706118
the problem with dubs is that not only do they require good translation skills to be good, just like subs, but they also require good voice actors.
So between a bad translation vs good translation + bad voice acting, I'll take bad translations every time.

Besides, how come the "sub vs dub" thing only comes up with animes? No one gives me any shit if I watch french movies in the original french, or american movies in english, even though neither of those are my first language. But watch anime in japanese? Suddenly that's bad.

>>15706375
Incidentally, the way Eru met Batson was the way they met in the original web novels. He makes way more sense as a childhood friend though.

I don't mind the duel getting cut out, mostly because the show is focused on the mech action. Weakening Ady and Chid's characterization is a shame, but they have other moments to shine.

The sense of time is very different between the anime and LN. Partly because it is rushed, but mainly because of the inherent differences in medium. The only way the anime could have portrayed the sense of time is with time cards or overuse of narration, which no one wants.

The worst part about them skipping the child's training is that they skipped over the introduction of physical boost and how it relates to how the Silhoutte Knights can defy the square-cube law. I guess they sort of explained it by explaining how the behemoth works, but the reason why Eru was able to hijack the mech with his wand and brain power is because the physical boost spell he frequently used was akin to the reinforcement magic of the Knight.

>>15706475
Because movies typically have budgets that let them hire real voice actors and translators, while anime relies on third-rate wannabes instead of real ones, ham actors who can't get anything more than an extra role in a real film and former fansubbers who can't get any real jobs in actual translation or interpretation.

>>15706483
>The only way the anime could have portrayed the sense of time is with time cards or overuse of narration, which no one wants.
And yet they're already fucking up with bad narration.

>>15706475
>Besides, how come the "sub vs dub" thing only comes up with animes? No one gives me any shit if I watch french movies in the original french, or american movies in english, even though neither of those are my first language. But watch anime in japanese? Suddenly that's bad.

Part of it is because anime is a bigger niche than foreign movies, part of it is because Americans are outwardly more self-centered than other countries (Being one myself. Other people can be self-centered jerks, but Americans are more honest about it because the whole world superpower thing), and part of it is because the average American kid grew up with bad dubs. Either you resent dubs entirely, or you have some fondness of overlocalization.

>>15706475
>Besides, how come the "sub vs dub" thing only comes up with animes? No one gives me any shit if I watch french movies in the original french, or american movies in english, even though neither of those are my first language. But watch anime in japanese? Suddenly that's bad.
When the fuck does that ever happen except amongst retarded xenophobic americans?

>>15706492
>while anime relies on third-rate wannabes instead of real ones, ham actors who can't get anything more than an extra role in a real film and former fansubbers who can't get any real jobs in actual translation or interpretation.

Isn't that a reason not to watch anime dubs?
Your tone sounds like you're disagreeing with me but your arguments lend credence to my point.
Nobody cares if you watch a french movie in french, despite them having the budget to hire real translators and professional voice acting, and yet people care too much when you prefer to watch subbed anime despite the fact that anime dubs have garbage translators and voice actors.

>>15706506
>When the fuck does that ever happen except amongst retarded xenophobic americans?
any time a subs vs dubs argument comes up, and whenever someone asks for the option to have the original voice acting in video games.

>>15706338
Fushigi Yuugi is really bad though. Like you gotta be maybe twelve to enjoy that shit.

>>15706521
but it has a bunch of beautiful men

>>15706514
>amongst retarded xenophobic americans

>>15706322

I never said it was a genre or that I was being dismissive of it as a whole. I was just musing about how shit my friend's tastes are and how prevalent power fantasy narratives are in the stuff they read. I have no problem with other world type premises at all, but I have noticed a lot more of "otaku goes to fantasy world and becomes OP" type stories recently.

>>15706475
>Besides, how come the "sub vs dub" thing only comes up with animes? No one gives me any shit if I watch french movies in the original french, or american movies in english, even though neither of those are my first language. But watch anime in japanese? Suddenly that's bad.

Because anime doesn't have lip syncing problems that live action does. With dubs of foreign films there is a disconnect between what's coming out of an actor's mouth and what you're hearing. It's much more obvious in live action than it is in animation. It's also a cultural thing because French people will dub any foreign movie in French because of their refusal to let the French language die.

>the problem with dubs is that not only do they require good translation skills to be good, just like subs, but they also require good voice actors.
Voice acting quality is a big deal but a good dub beats a good sub any day. Finding good voice actors for dubs is becoming less of a problem today than it was in the 90s, even if it does mean pulling from the same group of 10 people over and over.

And what Miyazaki said is very true, but he has the luxury of getting all his movies dubbed with high quality hollywood voice actors. In the case that you have something like Studio Ghibli that can afford getting high quality dubs, dubs will always be superior because your eyes aren't focused on the lower thirds and you are free to take in the mis en scene, which to an auteur like Miyazaki, is much, much more important than hearing the original voice acting.

>>15706750

And to clarify, since I didn't mean to trigger anyone last night, I meant that a good dub always beats a good sub, and I was more making a statement about desperate weaboos who think that the sub experience is the superior, close to the original intention, experience. It's simply not the case and any translation will always be divorced from the original experience that the native audience will have. There is nothing wrong with preferring a sub because the dub is bad or nonexistent, but the notion that a sub is inherently superior because it's more accurate or more true to the original intent is false. I also brought up the Miyazaki thing because people often underestimate the value of the mis en scene and dismiss the reading of subs as a minor inconvenience, when it really does detract from the art of directing the eye and taking in the full picture. Take the fact that the translations are always a divergence from what a native speaker would experience and the fact that subs detract from the visual experience, and the notion that some weaboos have about the superiority of subs falls apart.

Its like preferring honorifics in translations because it gives the sense of being more Japanese despite not accurately portraying the nuance in a conversation. Colony Drop had a great article on honorifics vs keigo years ago:
http://www.colonydrop.com/operation-british-phase-seven/

I feel bad for somewhat derailing the thread by bringing up isekai and subs vs dubs so I'll just go watch the show now that the torrents are done.

>>15706767
>t the notion that a sub is inherently superior because it's more accurate or more true to the original intent is fals
Dubs have the constraint of having to fit the words to the mouth movement and invariably result in less accurate translations compared to the subtitles.

>>15706767
Speaking of dubs, this show is getting a simuldub from Funimation starting July 30th, which is when episode 5 airs. I find it interesting that anime has become so non-niche that a dub can be set up in about 5 weeks. Funi scripts for simuldubs tend to be a bit raw though, and there have been complaints that they are overly topical. I'll watch it, more for the sake of curiosity than anything else.

>>15707849
Whoah, a Knights and Magic dub? That's pretty impressive, I definitely wasn't expecting that. I figured this anime would remain pretty obscure, mainly watched by fantasy mecha fans like us on here that really wanted to see stuff like this. I hadn't thought Funi would pick it up.

>>15706375
>In the show he's a fucking dumbass who has all but one of his men charge at the thing and just die within seconds for absolutely nothing.

Yeah, that was one thing that amused me watching that scene, all the guys were just bonking at that thing's toes. I mean, it didn't even notice, it seemed funny rather than heroic.

>>15708120
>Whoah, a Knights and Magic dub? That's pretty impressive
Nah, Funimations has recently been giving dubs to just about anything that seems mildly interesting.

>>15708120
Basically, Funi has been buddy buddy with Crunchyroll recently (at least a few seasons now I think due to the VRV thing). Whatever full length series Crunchyroll obtains from this point on, Funi will likely release in physical and simuldub. If fucking cell phone isekai can get a dub, so can mecha isekai.

>>15685917
>that scene of Eru trying to reach the controls of Dietrich's mech

>>15706149
I think the reason Re:Zero got so popular in the first place was because it subverted the "my knowledge is honed by years of anime" thing by killing the protagonist for believing it, over and over. The original LN came out more than 5 years ago, it worked because the LN market hadn't become so saturated with isekai yet.

>>15708148
re:zero got popular because anything moderately dark is popular since anime is so fluffy most of the time.

>>15708137
>>15708140
Oh, really? Hmm. Guess it's not such a surprise, then, seems like Funimation is really dub-happy these days.

>>15706767
>any translation will always be divorced from the original experience that the native audience will have
>honorifics in translations because it gives the sense of being more Japanese despite not accurately portraying the nuance in a conversation
It hurts me that these things still need to be said. This is extremely basic translation theory; I genuinely can't understand why someone would claim that leaving shit untranslated is somehow a better "translation".

That said, you certainly have a point about dubs, but the problem is that "the dub is bad or nonexistent" is still a painfully common situation. So as a general rule, I tend to avoid dubs, not because I believe they're worse or "less authentic" on general principle, but simply because bad dubs are so common that I've started assuming a dub will be bad until proven otherwise.

>>15708751
>they're worse or "less authentic"
They are

>>15706750
>your eyes aren't focused on the lower thirds
Some people can read better than a 4th grader, which I admit is difficult for Americans and Brits to do, but still possible, as hard as it may be for you to believe.
Glance at the subs and listen to what is being said in Japanese. If you can't understand Japanese after years of listening to it, using subs only as an aid, then you should honestly die of brain cancer since you're not using your brain anyway. Stop trying to justify your shitty taste in muh dubs. You're a dumb motherfucker and should die.

>>15708773
I get the feeling this is bait, but I just gotta say that even if you understand Japanese and just need to "glance" at the subs, they can still distract from the visuals of a scene, as the anons above mentioned. It might be a minor distraction, of course, but still a distraction.

>>15706345
Like 80% of the animes we don't need isekei for this to happen