Macross Countdown

>>15676454
ギリギリ愛!

Why did the second cour have to tank so hard...

Is this about the game, or are they announcing a new show?

>>15676530
Either the game or possibly the next audition for the new main singer.

歌姫 and all.

>having anything from Delta in the new series

I seriously hope those guys don't do this

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>>15676544
There was nothing wrong with Walkure, the show just went tits up in the second half.

>>15676514
Dragging too much

>>15676530
They have already announce a new one but not info about.http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-29/macross-gets-new-tv-anime-in-2018-35th-anniversary-project/.111595

>>15676569
there was everything wrong with walkure

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>>15676577
Objectively incorrect.

>>15676569

This. The characters, in themselves, were fine.

The problem is that none of them ever fucking did anything in the second half, and the plot just endlessly went in circles chasing after inane bullshit that didn't matter.

> 4 episodes of 'something is up with Mikumo you guys'
> WHAT COULD IT BE!?
> She's a clone

Fuck you. Every single Zentradi is a clone. Half the human population is clones or has clone parents as a result of the massive recovery effort after Space War 1. This isn't secret-worthy, and even ignoring setting canon everyone in the show immediately goes 'oh, okay' and moves on anyway, so there wasn't even a meaningful impact on the plot from this.

Just like Hayate's fucking dad. Hayate finds out his dad dropped the bomb, and they get the flight recording, and they see the plane, and all this other shit. But nothing ever actually comes from any of this. It just fills screentime with no resolution or impact.

And hey, remember that multi-episode arc about supermodo being bad for Hayate and making him go berserk, that ended with Hayate just DECIDING not to go berserk again, and somehow that's a valid solution to the problem?

Like, fuck. If they spent longer than their lunch break writing the plot for season 2, I'd be shocked. A solid afternoon's worth of worth would have had better results than this. Everything the first half of th show sets up, the second half pisses away in the most mind boggling way possible.

>>15676569

Walkure had too many members, and at least two of them (Makina & Reina) were basically worthless. They could have been random bridge bunnies or something for all the relevance they had. They'd probably have been better as a bridge buy who who could hack particularly well and a mechanic who Freyja and Hayate befriend actually, since it would give the show a few minor characters with basic personality while the show could concentrate on a 3 member Walkure. As a bonus it'd mean Drlta would only have 3 members too, since they had one partner member for each member of Walkure, and Delta had too many people as well. It spread things a but too thin. Walkure needed more new songs in the second half too, along with giving Mikumo some personality beyond 'mystrtious' for the vast majority of the show.

>>15676605

There have been other shows with similarly sized casts that did it well. Delta's problem wasn't that it had too many people, but that it wasted time and never did anything with the people it had.

Mikumo spent 3/4ths of the show without a personality so they could pull a reveal that was literally everyone's first guess, and which didn't matter anyway.

Hayate and Freya essentially stop growing as characters past episode 7 or so, and those are our main fucking characters with all of the screentime they could ever want or need.

Freeing up screentime by cutting side characters wouldn't solve the problem of the writers fundamentally not understanding how to do their jobs.

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>>15676615
This. AKB0048 had two seasons and an even bigger cast, and it did fine. Hell, the first half of Delta was great.

>>15676604
It would have made more sense if Mikumo had been a Protodeviln. Her subtle draining of spiritia in combination with Walkure's singing would have been a believable means of calming the Var's berserk effect.

It's on the game page so it will be game related.

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Do you remember the new Zessica?

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You're now picturing Delta movies where everything is fixed.

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>>15676787
Those damn Windermerean ponces would still be in it, though.
>muh kaze no uta
Fucking faggots.

>>15676687
I remember her every night, if you know what am I sayin'

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>>15676569
>There was nothing wrong with Walkure
Totally wrong.
I actually played closed beta-test of this mobile game. On the final day I checked event rankings and wrote down characters that were used by top 200 players. Please note that you could pick any character you wanted and their stats were almost the same. Everyone was using their favourite idol. Distribution was:
>Freyja - 50
>Sheryl - 39
>Mikumo - 38
>Ranka - 27
>Kaname - 20
>Minmay - 17
>Makina - 7
>Reina - 2
As several anons already said Makina and Reina were a mistake. No one likes them because they are shitty characters with no role, personality, special traits or anything. Reina doesn't even have her own song.

Also one week ago there was a big idol concert at Anime Expo in Los Angeles. The participants were: IM@S CG, all 9 girls from new Love Live, all 7 members from Wake Up Girls anime, but only 2 members of Walkure (JUNNA and Minori) because literally no one gives a fuck about rest of the Walkure girls.

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>all this Reina bullying
You have to admit, at least she was cute.

>>15676827
Cute girls are everywhere. She would need something more to stick.

>>15676799
I wonder how many babies would a normal Windermere needed to churn out to keep the race from extince.
And consider they growth with the same pace as normal human (puberty at age 15-17), they would have a law that required every woman need to breed at least 1 kid by the time they reached 20.

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>>15676827
>at least she was cute.
You mean her seiyuu? Yes, in real life she is the cutest out of all Walkure members.

But in anime her character is the opposite of cuteness or sexuality.

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>>15676824
If it's wrong to like Reina, then I don't want to be right.

>>15676787
It will be glorious

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歌は(性)愛!

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>>15676906
Reina a cute.
CUTE!

>>15676644
this

>>15676824
>no one gives a fuck about the rest of the Walkure girls
But that's is wrong anon. Unlike Minori or Junna, they are actual seiyuu, they can't just randomly go to AX like the two

>>15676787
Have Hayate be a pilot already while training under Mirage and have him meet newbie Freyja. Or have the whole thing in Mirage's point of view. Or maybe just a new anime altogether because at this point, I'm sick of seeing the same VF-25 look alike and the redundant VF-17s.

>>15676827
I kinda wish she was the main younger girl. Short haired cutesy zents are nice.

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New season of Underwater Ray Romano when?

>>15676514
I thought the heavy idol focus was going to kill Delta for me

But it turned out that focusing on the windfaggots was what did it for me. It's a shame because they're supposed to be Space-Belka

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>>15677035
>windermeme propaganda
Don't even remind me.

>>15676687
She's going to win in the end. Freyja has like 7 years left to live maybe even shorter if she keeps singing

>>15676454
My bet it is new Freyja's song exclusive to upcoming mobile game.

>>15677079

> ending up with Hayate
> a win at all
> never mind that she's literally his second choice and will always know it

She should find someone else in the meantime.

>>15677091
>upcoming mobile game.
isn't already out?

>>15676632
ANIMAAAA SPIRITAAAAAAAAAAA

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It seems the general consensus is the Macross Delta was good for half the show. I really liked it all the way to the half way mark and then it started to fall apart.

Also it seems to have least easter eggs and references out of all the series.

>>15677615
Not yet. There is pre-registration open: https://uta-macross.jp/pre

>>15676454
>Get ready

For what ? Delta is dead man, dead and burried. Let it rest in peace.

>>15676569
>There was nothing wrong with Walkure, the show just went tits up in the second half.

Does not compute, does not compute, does not compute....

>>15677630
This.

I remember that it seems the plan was for the anime to have just one cour but then made it longer.

Why didn't it stick with this? The second cour left a very bad impression of this anime.

Was it just me or are people disappointed with Macross 7. When I got around to watching I thought it would be Macross corssed with Topgun, Rockbands and cool enemies.

>>15677792
A lot of people were disappointed with 7. Even Kawamori thinks it's a failure. The only people who like it are gay faggots.

>>15677821
It had some cool concepts and whilst Planet dance fucking killed me, i'm not going to lie i kinda liked it in the end.

I like how the Jammer birds were just proto Walkure though.

>>15677821
I can't get over the fact that in Macross Frontier some of the crew sat down to watch a VHS of firebomber and shit. The part I can't get over is that its canon.

>>15676514
I like the 2nd cour, had a lot of great moments and the pace was perfectly fine, seeing as I don't have ADHD.

>>15677871
You don't need to have ADHD to see how bad it was paced and how pointless were some episode in the 2nd cour.

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Will we ever get a Macross protagonist as good as this ever again?

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>>15678324
Wrong pic. Got him switched with second worst protagonist.

Hahaha! And it's an Android Pay-2-Play game!

>>15678339
Basara > Isamu > Hikaru > Hibiki > Hayate > Rick Hunter > Zero guy > Alto

>>15678359
dropped

>>15678360
>Basara
>Literally zero character development
>Best MC
I'll never understand the stupidity of 7 fags.

>>15678360
Shit list.

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>>15678362
I'll never accept the stupidity of you spoiled antifashits.

>>15678366
Post your own then you lazy whiny faggot.

>>15678368
your own then you lazy whiny faggot

>Hikaru>Isamu>Alto>Zero guy>>>>>Basara>Hayate

All these 7 fags trying to stick out like G Gundam fans forget the fact that G Gundam has an amazing protagonist. 7 does not.

Delta in SRW to fix the trash second half of the show when?

>>15678496
Holy shit, they should really do that. Only thing missing would be approval from Hayate, Freyja, and Mirage's VAs.

>>15676530
mobile game.

>>15678362
Alto is basically the only Macross MC that does have any character development

>>15678659
What about Isamu and Hikaru?

>>15678659
Then you haven't seen them all.

>>15676544
I want more memekumo

>>15678659
Alto's character development is there but its limited and contracted more than anything. His interaction with Ranka and Sherly is more important than his development.

If we boil down his character it's pretty simple.

>>15676454
It's not a movie, OVA or even a new song, it's literally fucking nothing.

I remember in one of interviews Kawamori said that he wanted to make an OVA about windermerians. We didn't have any news since then so I hope producers explained him how stupid this idea was because everyone hates windermeians.

so macross truly is dead

>>15679030
Really? Even the Japs? Because I thought they were supposed to be some thinly veiled stand in for Imperial Japan and they usually love those (look at Zeon). Unless the Windfags were such insufferable hypocritical assholes that even the Japs were put off by them.

>>15678693
Isamu goes nowhere whatsoever, which is practically the entire point of Plus
Hikaru at best stops being indecisive about joining the military in order to become indecisive about other shit in the TV series. In the movie, he doesn't even have indecisiveness going for him, he's just a generic guy

>>15678714
(cont.)
Hibiki doesn't have enough time to go anywhere
Shin doesn't have a character to develop
And all Hayate gets is some backstory about his father, which doesn't change who he is

Which of the Macross guys you like best mostly comes down to which one you find most entertaining. It's not hard to see why Basara's OTT antics appeal to people.

>>15677792
Yeah, I was expecting Basara to be some awesome, brash pacifist hippie with a mecha. He was just kind of a brooding asshole most of the time and just waited around for the universe to work his way. The message I got form him was "Don't adapt to your environment, wait for your environment to adapt to you." and it got old fast.

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>>15679203
>wait for your environment to adapt to you.

That's a pretty weird thing to say about someone who fucking sung to a hill to make it move.
And that's not even mentioning the shit he does in the OVAs.

He's dead-set in his lunacy but he's definitely pro-active about it, attacking people who get in his way or ruin his ideas, willingly putting his neck out to sing for the devilin chick, protecting the planet's fauna from being hurt,...
He actively fights for his ways, which is what makes him the asshole most of the time, not "You just don't get it," one liners to get away from Mylene while sneaking out.

>>15679203
>Yeah, I was expecting Basara to be some awesome, brash pacifist hippie with a mecha
Are you implying that he wasn't?

>He was just kind of a brooding asshole
Silent=/=brooding. What would he even be brooding about? He's just an autist that spends more time thinking about music than the people around him

>The message I got form him was "Don't adapt to your environment, wait for your environment to adapt to you." and it got old fast.

>wanting Basara to sell out
You clearly don't understand rock and roll.

>>15678393
Basara is better than Domon for the sole reason that he at least had the self respect to not get with the worst girl at the end of his series.

>>15679261
What are you talking about? Domon ended up getting best girl whole becoming a hero and most importantly A MAN. Basara is literally a space hobo right now in canon. A loser. Just like rock stars irl.

>>15679233
>That's a pretty weird thing to say about someone who fucking sung to a hill to make it move.
That's literally waiting for your environment to adapt to you, you couldn't pick a more literal example.

>>15679314
>waiting for your environment to adapt to you

No, that's literally tying it up, putting a gun to its head and demanding it changes or you'll press the trigger.

>>15679318
That's not a very literal interpenetration of the events at all.

>>15677792
Seven has it's moments, but I honestly don't think it is worth the price of admission when it comes to time you have to invest in it. That show could use a serious trimming.

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>>15679309
>rock stars are losers IRL
>the people who make millions, sometime billions of dollars off of singing are losers

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Man I remember when Delta's second cour started and nothing was happening until episode 18 managed to salvage back some of the lost hype when it gave us that cliffhanger ending and left us with so many questions. It's too bad we only got more exposition episodes after that and the events of episode 18 lead to literally nothing in the end.

>>15679309
Basara was a galactic superstar for a while before the whole (maybe immortal?) hobo thing at least.

>>15679461

When is it suggested he's immortal? I don't recall any such thing at least, and can't see why it would be included.

>>15679447
Lets hope the movies fix it. We're getting movies right?

>>15679182
> Hibiki

Now im imagining Symphogears in Macross.

The Zentradi would freak.

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>>15678360
>Rick Hunter
Rick Hunter . . .
AHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha
just NO !

>>15676569
Idol group kinda dragged the show down
There were too many characters so the purple elf pilot girl didnt even get any development

>>15679087
>Windfags were such insufferable hypocritical assholes that even the Japs were put off by them
Nailed it.

>>15679182
Now that you mention it Macross MCs have some weird characterization.
Alto is the only one who really follows your standard character growth model in anime.

>>15679439
>Basara
>making millions from his music
I feel like he doesn't even use money and just gets free shit from Ray when he needs it.

>>15678360
What about Leon Sakaki?

The Zero guy is Shin Kudo, BTW.

>>15679064
Did you read the 7th reply?

It's a new pachinko game

>>15680338
>Leon Sakaki
not canon

>>15679494
I don't know man, if the guy can Song Power dead flowers back to life, its not too unfeasible to think he might be able to live longer than the rest of us.

>>15676454

>Yet another installment in a series about girls defeating aliens with the power of singing and airplanes with arms

Macross is a rancid turd pulled staight out of a stinky yak's fly-infested crusty asshole. It needs to fucking stop and go away forever.

>>15680605
Now describe all the other mecha show by how generic they are

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>>15680605
>It needs to fucking stop and go away forever.
*blocks your path*

>>15679309
Well when was the last time you serenaded space whales?

>>15680717
This was before Delta proved to be a failure wasn't it?

>>15681173
Yes.

>>15679543
>he still think Delta's getting a movie

The thing that I really disliked about it, even in the first season is walkure didn't do fucking anything in combat.
Episode one they were going AKB0048 on everybody controlling drones and flying around platforms, but after that they basically sat on stage singing passing out wind buffs. They went from a fairly active roll and became dispensers.

All these people complaining about Macross having singing and pop songs in it, well it's always had it. Macross wouldn't be Macross without the singing, it's a pivotal and integral part of Macross.

I'm going to quote a random anon

"What defines Macross for me is starting most shows off with fairly grounded sci-fi and then, over the course of that series, introducing absurd bullshit a little at a time until it hits a critical mass. By the time you get to a rockstar throwing himself out of his cockpit with a guitar in order to sing into a black hole for the fate of the galaxy, you are like "In context, this makes perfect sense".- Based Anon 2k17

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Has the Macross franchise backed itself into a corner?

>>15681766
It wasn't particularly integral to SDF Macross. Minmay could've been a local celebrity over pretty much anything, and you could have played any music instead of hers for the Minmay Attack. Compared to other the other installments that create a reason for music to be magical and integral to the plot, you could write around it pretty easily in the original series.

What bugs me about the direction Macross took is that the Zentraedi meeting humanity was about culture shock, with music simply being an thing you could broadcast over their radios to make them freak out so you could blow them up more easily or they'd get themselves killed. It was about Zentraedi reacting to Earth culture, whereas every other series just rams music down your throat because idols make money..

The point is that they can do more with music being a part of the show than bullshitting up reasons for music to be magical and having music be the most important thing in the universe. Macross Plus had the plot center around a vocaloid brainwashing people and it didn't feel forced or intrusive.

>>15681786
Minmei's effect in universe was completely coincidental, any local singer could work, in Minmei's case her popularity was the result of propaganda and good timing but meta wise she worked because she was also involved in the love triangle, therefore making her involved with other characters.

>>15681782

I imagine, going forward, they'll just sort of ignore Delta as a series, except we'll occasionally see actual catpeople in crowd shots or have a Ragnan on the cast. The events of Delta happen way the hell and gone on the edges of NUN territory, so its pretty easy to just box it up and never talk about it again.

Delta didn't really introduce anything they have to stick with. The whole thing was inconsequential. Even the guy in your picture is just an arms merchant with a Theory.

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>>15681830
>Hey remember that one time when some space hicks almost brainwashed everyone in the galaxy with some protoculture relic?
NUNS censorship better be amazing.

I'm more annoyed that they got rid of the Vajra at the end of Frontier, they were cool.

>>15681830
I'll be happy enough if they never mention Windmere again.

>>15676605
> Walkure had too many members, and at least two of them (Makina & Reina) were basically worthless.

... The fuck show did you watch? They were easily the best part. Gayest couple in Macross to boot.

>>15681868
Windmere can be removed for all I care, but atleast keep Walkure and Xaos. I'm hoping to see minor references to them in the future. Similarly to Firebomber and Minmey.

>>15681876
We have dedicated Reina hater

I really don't get the hate for frontier. I think it's one of the better Macross entries.

Plus > SDF/DYRL > 7 > Frontier > II >>>>> Delta > Zero

The only stuff I really don't care for are Zero and the second half of Delta.

>>15681876

The one where they weren't relevant at all and could easily have been relegated to a much smaller position in the cast without sacrificing anything. They'd have been just as entertaining and useful as members of the Elysion's crew instead of Walkure.

>>15681921
Zero has better dogfight than all the above

>>15676824

> Reina doesn't even have her own song.

She does. It's called Silent Hacker.

>>15682068
I agree, but I think it lacks just about everywhere else.

>>15681921
It's your opinions, and I can respect them, but I have to say you really have a shit bunch of them to put Plus at the top of Macross in all.
There is literally nothing aside from the animation that thing has going for it and if that's what you're after, DYRL or the 7 OVA beat it to a punch while actually providing things besides it.

>>15682176
> nothing aside from the animation

I think it has the best plot, VFs, and some of the best characters that actually grow throughout the OVA.

I really and truly believe the Plus is the strongest entry based on those things and not even the animation.

Plus is also shorter, and lacking all the silliness from the likes of 7 and Delta, which makes it probably the best entry point to the franchise as well.

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>>15681173
>This was before Delta proved to be a failure wasn't it?
Yes.

And this was after.

>>15680605
Macross is awesome, sorry you don't like awesome stuff.

By Delta aren't VFs basically just flying fold crystal i ain't gotta explain shit magical hax?

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>>15682397
They've been that since Frontier.

>>15682351
>you will never listen to rune ga pikatto live

Delta was so fucking bad. I like idols, but I wish I could unwatch that dross. The second half was awful. The anime should have stopped at Messer's death

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>>15681782
>Music is a weapon
Isn't that "shocking" reveal basically Macross II in a nutshell?

>>15682403
I went to AX for this reason. It was worth it.

Did they reveal anything about the new macross or the new Kawamori show with China?

>>15682405
Except it was the best in the franchise, now get over it Evageeks.

>>15682407
>Isn't that "shocking" reveal basically Macross II in a nutshell?

Did you jump over SDF Macross and DYRL on purpose ?

>>15682600
>Except it was the best in the franchise, now get over it Evageeks

Oh look another Delta-tard. Damn the Macross fandom is going to shit. I thought Gundam fandom was bad due to the IBO-tards, but Delta-tards are on a whole other level.

>>15682637
I think SDF and DYRL were hitting the same notes as II with music being a weapon, but SDF and DYRL were more "culture shock as a weapon" imo

II just emphasized music as a weapon more.

>>15682648
>II just emphasized music as a weapon more.

But there is no difference as to how music is used at least by the UN Spacey. In II it is called the Minmay Attack but the concept behind it is still culture shock. In II it's the bad guys that use music not as a weapon against the humans but as a katalyst for their own warriors to increase performance.
7 of course takes the whole thing to a higher level. There the Un Spacey scientists aboard the Macross 7 come up with the theory of music as an energy weapon.

>>15682594
>new macross
No. Not even news about auditions.

>Delta auditions were announced in October 2014, 1st episode was broadcasted in April 2016. 18 months.
>Frontier auditions were announced in January 2007, 1st episode was broadcasted in April 2008. 15 months.
>Satelight promised that the next Macross will be released in 2018. The last season of 2018 (Fall) starts in October. 15 months from now.

If we don't get an audition announcement in the next 1-3 months there is very little chance to have Macross in 2018. Or alternatively Victor Entertainment will use their existing young talents because it seems open auditions do not work. Nakajima and Minori both failed as idols/singers. May'n and JUNNA are still successful.

Also
>>15682594
>or the new Kawamori show with China?
Go to http://www.project-the-next.com/, scroll back to © to see copyright owners and then try to google "xiamen skyloong".
Literally 0 information about it besides the announcement itself. And here's their site: http://skyloong.net/. Literally nothing.
Most likely it was some small shitty china company which thought it could grab those anime industry moneyz. But then they understood they wouldn't be able to finance it so they just disappeared.

>>15682803
this is mildly concerning I suppose

>>15682803
or maybe, the old cast is returning :^)

>>15682803
Second coming of Plus confirmed.

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>>15683081
>another OVA focusing on another VF acquisition competition
Would be tight.

>>15683093
drakkens vs the next messiah derivative.
that would be sweet as fuck.
and throw in some vaporwave-like ost , like mitch murder ravaged skies.
it will sell bajillions!

>>15683097
Mitch Murder is synthwave. Vaporwave would be something like Macross 82-99.

Also it would be neat if the antagonist craft was a new and improved variant of the Draken, like a Super Draken.

>>15683108
thank you for the clarification, no one in my social circle is able to define/separate any of the " waves" genre

>>15683108
super drakken
now 200% less faggy pixie powered pilots, double the drones, double the fun!
every drakken comes with a sword, not only commander types

Why is Sharon Apple always ignored in the topic of idols?

>>15683158
She had like three good songs.
Also she didn't have a personality beyond "evil AI who wants Isamu's cummies"

>>15683081
>more quality plane porn
Now they need some synthwave for that.

>>15683225
i keep thinking ravaged skies has to be there , DAMNIT

>>15682354

Megas XLR was awesome and I liked it. There's nothing awesome about Macross. I mean, there are the Valkyries, but they're always overshadowed by some idolshit cunt (even Basara), and they have to share their remaining screentime with enemies so ugly and uninspired that they look like afterthoughts.
I mean, I'm not asking for an award-winning show with a script that rivals Jules Verne's works. I just want a show about planebots getting it on with cool enemies without some petite fragile girl bringing the hardcase aliens to their knees with her honeyed voice. It's phenomenally gay. At least replace the idol with Dethklok and have the aliens react to the music with dread.

>>15683407
someone needs to see macross II

>>15683415

I did like 15 years ago. All I remember is the drunk cynical cameraman in the beginning, a battleship with four Macross being as useful as a glass hammer, a Zentradi dressed like an african giving a speech about culture on a giant screen, SDF-1 being destroyed except for it's bridge due to space magic, and profound disappointment. So you might have to explain your point to me.

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>>15683407
>Megas XLR
>I want a show about planebots getting it on with cool enemies without some petite fragilegirl bringing the hardcase aliens to their knees with her honeyed voice
>Dethklok
do you by any chance wear acid wash jeans, a flame graphic tee, and a mullet?

>>15683444

Checked. If that's a reference then it's lost on me. Actually I'm not too big on Dethklok except as a parody. If I had to put one metal band in Macross, it'd be Iron Savior. Both as musicians and writers.

>>15683407
dude are you gay?

>>15682803
>JUNNA are still successful.
not true

>>15683735
are you an idol otaku

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>>15682666
Music only worked on the Zents because of their culture shock factor.

Music as mind control was more of II and Plus thing

>>15682351
They're so goddamn cute

>>15682594
>or the new Kawamori show with China?
Oh yeah what happened with that? I remember when Delta was airing, we were like "well there obviously won't be any new Delta movies because he's doing this new thing" I haven't heard about it since that announcement

>>15683735
>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/JUNNA#.E3.83.9F.E3.83.8B.E3.82.A2.E3.83.AB.E3.83.90.E3.83.A0
>1st 2017年6月21日 Vai! Ya! Vai! VTCL-60450 21位
She already released her first solo album and 21st rank in oricon charts is somewhat decent for a solo debut.

>>15684321
21st place only in the first week and only 3729 sold copies. The last 2 weeks sales were even less.

>>15684389
That's sad.

>>15684389
But those are numbers earned purely by her own voice and talent. Delta did giver a little boost, but not significant one. For example May'n's name was everywhere in Frontier, "yyy starring May'n" in every single song. Frontier made her name recognizable by everyone.
JUNNA was just one of Walkure members, she wasn't even main character, she wasn't heavily promoted within anime. Lots of casuals who liked Delta's music probably didn't even know her name.

So again, it's somewhat decent for a solo debut.

>>15684882
Her name was also mentioned constantly

>>15684882
Moreover, she was called the leading vocalist in Walkure.

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>>15684904
>>15684906
JUNNA? Show me fucking where her name appears at all.

Because May'n was slapped onto the title of literally every Frontier album/single.

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>>15684919

>>15684924
>>15684938
Are you retarded? Do you understand the difference between having your name on the cover of album and having one of vocalist's name mentioned in the booklet? I'm amazed that you spent some time searching for these scans just to prove how retarded you are.

This is how Walkure's album advertisement looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGVbpF6D8g. 5 minute long video and JUNNA is not mentioned at all.
Meanwhile May'n name was everywhere. You would hear her name from advertisements even if you didn't buy album.

Kill yourself, idiot.

>>15684943
From the fact that you are angry, Junna's mini-album will not become more popular and you will not be right, anon.

>>15676454
nobody cares about this dead shit tho

>>15676454
>chinks still think people care
It's dead Jim

>>15687511
Haha, are you really posting the same thing again because your previous post >>15686468 didn't get a response?

Show blew its wad on Messer, and never recovered.

>>15676454
>It's a shitty mobage
Wow.

>>15688029
Mobage makes money

>>15688029
Money

>>15688029
They thought they could copy LL and Starlight Stage, and it might have been possible if Delta was good and the game came out while Delta was airing.

>>15687527
>thinking its the same
>defending shit
Still nobody cares about this rotten turd

>>15690990
It's very hard to believe 2 different anons post the exactly same message in a thread they are supposedly don't care about.

>defending
You're also retarded.

>>15676454
What was the countdown for?

>>15696133
Gatchashit

>>15682398

The Durandal will forever be one of the sexiest planes in all of Macross, for all time.

>>15688029
Imagine if you could manage your own squad.

You could hire pilots, it could be pilots from existing Macross anime (Max, Isamu, Alto) or new original and fully sutomizable characters. You would be able to buy VFs. Starting from good old VF-1 and then slowly updating them to more modern models. You could customize them with different weapons, for example equip more missiles, have laser or machine guns. Also you could equip armor packs or for example fold boosters for long missions. You would be able to apply custom paint job any plane. And finally you could assign idols to your pilots to "support" them during missions. Actual gameplay could be some kind of shmup or very simple air combat simulator.

Would you play this mobage? I would.

Instead we got another idol rhythm game. And I'm pretty sure it will flop because even if Macross has great music it doesn't have proper idols which can be constantly idolized by otakus. It doesn't have constant concerts, events, releases of new singles and albums. After anime is finished airing singers usually try to distant themselves from Macross. This game will be forgotten in one month after release.

>>15697417

no

the 25 was a meh design they then tried to sex it up by putting forward swept wings with hideous engines on the wings and harpoons

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>>15697417
its in no way even near the YF-19/YF-21/VF-0/VF-1/Sv.51 in terms of sex appeal.
Way too busy, a complete clusterfuck of engines and forward swept wings. Same goes for the Lucifer.

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>>15697417
>>15698494

VF-24 is. VF-25 looks nice when equipped with Tornado pack or Armored.
Durandal on the other hand, is clusterfuck of superior performance. From all four engine designs I choose pic related or Shaher Femail.
>>15697652
You, I like you.
> Actual gameplay could be some kind of shmup or very simple air combat simulator
I wouldn't mind Fire Emblem gameplay myself.
Alas >Instead we got another idol rhythm game.
Because this makes quick buck.
>This game will be forgotten in one month after release.
With Idolmaster/FGO games out there, there is no competition that niche IP like Macross can compete. Then again, lets see how well Symphogear will do.

>>15698494
>>15699293
Which was the one with the inverted wings?

WINDERMERE DINDU NUFFIN

THEY WUZ GOOD BOIS

THEY WUZ PROTOCULTURE KANGS N SHIET

God, the second half of they show was so bad. They literally attempted galactic conquest and mind-controlled soldiers to subjugate their own planets.

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>>15698494
The Lucifer only turns into a clusterfuck when you add the completely unnecessary super-parts from the movie. Vanilla Lucifer is cool.

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>>15699452
V/YF-19, VF-29 Durandal and Siegfried variant of VF-31, since Plus.
>>15699470
It is not a bad design but it still looks so much better without wing nacelles.

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>>15699470
Those are simple kitbash models but Lucifer with trapezoid wings and COFFIN cockpit is the sexiest plane derived from Evolution prototype. It is sleek, futuristic design that pairs well with Messiah in my opinion at least. I do prefer Evolution thou or VF-31 A maybe.

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>>15699470
And with YF-30, a direct line of evolutionary design can be seen from Supernova planes to Deltas Siegfried - just as VF-24 is derived from both 21 and 19, so is 31 based on 24 family.

>>15676605
Cast size wasn't the problem. Frontier had a similar size cast. Geass (season 1 alone) had a similar size cast. The problem was the utilization of the cast, and the writing. The writing, especially in the second cours wasn't tight at all, so you ended up with an entire episode about the history of Walkure only to say, "there's something odd about Mikumo". But the rest of that history lesson? It was pointless and was already inferred or presented in chunks previously.

>>15677821
>Even Kawamori thinks it's a failure
Source? Because Macross 7 has had the most content out of any Macross entry to date.

>>15701725
>Source? Because Macross 7 has had the most content out of any Macross entry to date.

The source is that anon's ass, Macross 7 was pretty successfull, like you mentioned it was enough to make a movie and 4 OVAs

By the time Frontier was about to be released part of the general public and even people from the industry still remembered 7 and thought Frontier was the next Macross animation after it, totally forgetting about Macross Zero.

>>15701712
>Frontier had a similar size cast. Geass (season 1 alone) had a similar size cast
Not a smart idea using Frontier and Geass as examples because both of those shows did a piss poor job managing its cast

>>15701725
Who even cares what Kawamori thinks? He's not exactly known for being a quality director

>>15702146
because aside from the people paying for it, he's the guy who decides how the macross series goes forward

>>15682412

What songs did they sing?

>>15702151
Well it certainly isn't as if they're going back to 7, or anything else for that matter. Each Macross series is significantly different from the last, so whatever he thinks about any one entry is going to be irrelevant to the next

>>15702175
That's not entirely true. Kawamori certainly does try to mix things up and use new characters, however he recycles elements from previous entries often. Frontier for example, reuses a ton of sequences referencing the original SDF: Macross, and the core formula of the MC flying a VF, with a love triangle, and songs being the key to major plot elements hasn't changed much since the 80's.

>>15683158
Because Sharon's probably the only idol that's a direct antagonist in the franchise, IIRC.
Speaking of Sharon, I think that she originated the sin of "music is literally magic and can do anything" in the Macross franchise. Why was she able to magically take control of people through her singing? The "taking over everything because AI with a milspec chip" made more sense for standard sci-fi fare.

>>15701743
Even if they would have wanted to tie in Zero, how? The plot took place entirely on Earth, before the First Space War. Hell, most of the people on the show were probably killed when Gol Boddole Zer glassed Earth.

>>15702244
>Why was she able to magically take control of people through her singing?
It's implied that she could hypnotize people through a combination of her singing and the visual light show she used during her concerts.
>The "taking over everything because AI with a milspec chip" made more sense for standard sci-fi fare.
Macross isn't standard scifi, and I have no clue why anyone would want it to be when the west has approximately a gajillion hard military scifi novels that could scratch their itch.

>>15702270
Fair to the first point. As to the second, perhaps I phrased it the wrong way: the whole "AIs can take over any machine" has been a sci-fi staple for a long time, so I wasn't confused about her hijacking everything from Isamu's plane to the Macross itself.

>>15701965
Geass did good job managing its cast in the first season. It's the second season that shit the bed, i.e. Kallen being gone for nearly half the second season. Frontier actually did a good job handling its cast. Important characters were given the majority screen time, followed by the clear secondary characters (and the relevant secondary ones got certain episodes focused on them). Case-in-point: Grace, who can be compared to Mikumo in terms of mystery, starts off as a minor character but her prominence in the story builds and builds until you realize something is up with her (Legend of Zero), and then she takes centre stage from then on.

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>>15703063
>Frontier actually did a good job handling its cast
>so many characters didn't amount to anything and were just bloat
>Ranka gets put on a bus and becomes a plot device by the end of the series
If those movies did anything right it eliminated a lot of the fat of the TV series and focused on what was always important
>Case-in-point: Grace
Grace as a whole is just poorly done who's motives are too entirely vague and poorly developed to take seriously. Hilariously enough that was one aspect of Delta it did better than Frontier by developing its antagonist its too bad they're all such terrible characters

Come to think of it, what are some /m/ shows that have managed a huge cast of characters properly?

>>15703242
LOGH

>>15703242
0079
SDF Macross
LOGH
Turn A
Patlabor TV
Ideon
Vifam
Gundam Build Fighters
Yamato 2199
Eureka 7
Xabungle

>>15703242
Most of them, really
Most mecha shows use the plot as the primary source of conflict and don't bother developing characters much, which is absolutely fine if the conflict doesn't revolve around who they are

>>15703261
>Most of them, really
Maybe in the 80's and 90's but most recent offerings do a shit job with them

>>15676454
>countdown from shit to shittier
why aren't this threads pruned on the spot again?

>>15692496
yeah anon, your terrible taste is probably unique to you, be proud of it

>>15703264
I've only seen a handful of 2010s shows. Elaborate

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>>15703321
TRY for example had characters who only exist to fill a designed quota rather than being fully fleshed out characters. There were characters you can outright remove and it would have no effect on the show as a whole.

>>15703327
Valvrave. Let's ignore for a moment its shitty plot.
VVV had pretty big cast and even though some of the characters were extremely annoying they all had some role and purpose. So it's not like nips forgot how to manage big cast in mecha anime. And it's really insulting that even fucking VVV did a better job with its cast then Macross Delta.

>>15703291
Don't ever reply to me again until you learn English, retard.

>>15703627
>they all had some role and purpose
They really didn't. Half of the cast could be dropped and nothing would change. Half of the pilots could be dropped and next to nothing would change. The show only had about 5 characters that actually mattered or played an important role, everyone else was completely expendable or pointless and wasted time.

for a macross newbie what macross would be the best to start with?

>>15703627
>even fucking VVV did a better job with its cast then Macross Delta.
objectively incorrect

>>15703893
If you are who you I think you are, you have argued a show animated in power point, which did walking animations by bobing the characters up and down had better animation than Valvrave, so excuse me if I take your opinion w/ a grain of salt.

>>15703717
>Half of the pilots could be dropped and next to nothing would change.
That's really bad argument. Even if some characters did not have impact on the story, they still did something and something happened with them.

For example in VVV there was one girl who was shot by Eruefu, but then she survived because she was space vampire, then she piloted the robot and then she died because she used all of her memories. She wasn't important, but something happened to her and she did something which had some kind of consequences.
Meanwhile nothing ever happened to Makina and Reina. Makina was shot once but without any consequences and that's it. And they never did anything. They were just there to sing.

>>15703875
Honestly, as strange as it is to say this, I think the best answer is probably Frontier, especially if you're a casual that just got into mecha

I say this because people who follow production order often get a false impression of the series and often have a stick up their ass about how the later entries weren't any good despite SDF itself arguably being even more flawed than the later entries

There is still no official confirmed date for the game's release date other than summer. Now the company is doing a tweet and follow campaign and the prize is a signed autograph from the Delta cast.

>>15704231
>follow production order often get a false impression of the series

That's called shit going off the rails.

>>15703875
Start with Plus. Good visuals, good music, and the "Top Gun" rivalry aspect is easy to get into for a lot of people. It's also available as a two-hour movie, so it's an easy and quick introduction. After that, either SDF or Frontier, I suppose.

>>15705753
Its also got Bryan Cranston voicing Isamu in the dub, so you can hook normalfags in with that.

>>15705481
Sounds desperate

>>15697652
I'd play it

>>15676514
It was honestly so bad that I still haven't bothered to finish the series. Every time I try to watch the last 5 episodes I give up.

>>15676824
>As several anons already said Makina and Reina were a mistake.

Reina was a mistake, Makina was a blessing. Makina was just held back by Reina's shit.

>>15678367
Basara is antifa epitomized you shit eater.

>>15708692
Makina only had tits going on for her. You could cut Makina, Reina and Chuck out of the show with minimum changes. Hell, maybe even Arad.

>>15679182
>In the movie, he doesn't even have indecisiveness going for him, he's just a generic guy

He still has a clear arc of maturity as comes to realize the severity of the situation he is in after spending that time on Earth, and learns to stop dicking around with some pop star and go with the more serious girl instead. It's subtle but it's still something.

>>15676824
>Makina and Reina were a mistake. No one likes them because they are shitty characters with no role, personality, special traits or anything.
Reina was a hacker that helped the team with finances and Makina was a mechanic. And both were in lesbians with each other.

>>15708692
Fuck off. You are just as pathetic as Boguefaggot

>>15704231

SDF Macross has quite a few issues the least of which is being animated like shit (one of the worst animated shows the the 80s). If you give Macross Plus to someone and he/she is hooked the fastest way to loose them is to make then watch SDF Macross. Even Macross 7 wouldn't be recommended in this instance.
Macross Plus -> Macross Zero (to explain where it all came from and no you do not need SDF Macross to understand what happens in Zero) -> Macross Frontier. If they're still hooked after this maybe DYRL, Macross 7 and as a last resort SDF Macross. Forget about Delta. Production order is not a viable option with Macross.

>>15708761
>Macross Zero
So you want to put them off the franchise completely?

>>15708766
>So you want to put them off the franchise completely?

Zero puts down the building blocks of the entire franchise's lore. What was cited en passant in SDF Macross is giving here the central spot.
The protoculture, the unification wars, the developping of the valkyries and their adversaries. One character that goes on to become legendary in SDF Macross etc... All seen through the eyes of innocent people.
What is not to like ? It's new ageness ? Give me a fucking break. Protoculture is all about new age. If you hate Zero you must hate every single damn Macross entry ever done.
There is a lot to like in Macross Zero.

>>15708771
>Zero puts down the building blocks of the entire franchise's lore.
...which you wouldn't care about unless you've already invested yourself in the franchise. Most of the shit brought up in Zero were already established in SDFand all Zero does is add an unnecessary mythos to it no different from the Star Wars prequels.

>>15708794
>...which you wouldn't care about unless you've already invested yourself in the franchise

You have fucking reading comprehension problems man. The issue is not trying to preach to the choir but to the heathens.
And you can't get the heathens to magically embrace an old anime that's animated like it was done by a fucking 5 year old.

As for your issues about the retconning (very minor to be honest) who the fuck gives a shit about that in the grand scheme of things ? Macross Zero notwithstanding some minor issues is a great addition to the Macross franchise.

>>15708843
Then don't recommend something that's not for those "heathens" to begin with. Zero is for people who are already familiar with the franchise NOT for people getting into it

>As for your issues about the retconning (very minor to be honest) who the fuck gives a shit about that in the grand scheme of things ?
Way to contradict yourself dumbfuck. Zero is garbage and was made during Kawamori's "hippy phase" hence why its so damn preachy and continuity in the Macross franchise has never fucking mattered they're just references among references to thinly connect one another despite the fact that the leap in setting and themes don't really add up

Macross frontier is a master piece. Prove me wrong /m/

>>15703243
>LOGH

most /m/ show without any mechas.

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>>15709694

Doesn't need mechas.

>>15676787
>>15676799

Wait what happened in delta, why is this guy so angry? I never finished delta...

>>15711445
Nothing happened, 2nd half is a cluster fuck. First half was good though.

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>>15712189
Cute. I like her solo song.

>>15699293
>>15698494
>>15697794

Well, yeah. The Durandal was basically scrapped together at the last minute with Alto's VF-25 as its base. It's not the perfect plane, but its performance is unparalleled in flight and dogfighting.

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>>15713558
True but even production version is a clusterfuck of performance. It is not designed to be pretty. And considering it's cost, one can understand why VF-31 was marketed to frontier colonies - for fraction of the price you get all the new toys, like ISC, fold crystals, new stealth, in only slightly worse overall package, performance wise. Also, there is pilots angle - you do not put new recruts into your most demanding machine, you give them VF-171 to play.
Case of awesome but very unpractical. Also, I can't remember now, does Durandal have any FASTpack beyond dedicated super parts from the movie?

>>15714341

Nothing normal-ish for theVF-29.

But a real disgrace is the VF-27 upgrade being a warmed over dropped Sound Force booster design. They had so much to work with...

>>15703097
Not that anon, but most of the characters who didn't do anything in the TV series were side characters anyway. That's why they barely appeared in the movie.

You learn about Grace's motives by episode 15, although 14 did clearly show that she was evil.

>>15714836
>Not that anon, but most of the characters who didn't do anything in the TV series were side characters anyway. That's why they barely appeared in the movie.
That goes for 80% of the cast really.

>>15714865
Ranka, Alto, and Sheryl were the main characters and so got the lion's share of the screen time.

Grace was the main villain so her screen time gradually increased after she outsted herself as the main villain

Mikhail, Klan, Brera, Cathy, and Ozma were all side characters and so their screen time wasn't prominent but they were still there.

Everyone else were all extras and so they got the bare minimum of screen time, as their role dictates.

The only real problem with the anime was really just Ranka, she got most of the screen time, and was a main character but despite her status, she actually only does important shit only does important shit a handful of times in the show, otherwise she's just a waste of space.

>>15678899
>If we boil down his character it's pretty simple.
That's dumb as fuck. The nature of "boiling shit down" when talking about characters is to MAKE it more simple than it actually is you fucking retard.

I really hope this time Kawamori will get inspired by Love Live and Girls Und Panzer.

>>15682351
This is shit tier.

Just compare to the crowd Live Live was able to gather.

>>15703242
I'm gonna add onto this >>15703257
Fafner, Code Geass and infinite ryvius, I don't know why he spoiled E7 though.

>>15716225
I think the reason why we got Delta is because of Love Live.

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>>15716225
>cancer & even more cancer

>>15716236
>Just compare to the crowd Live Live was able to gather.
Literally the same. Aquors performed in the same arena one month later and they had the same amount of attenders.

>>15716884
But delta had male characters and wasn't about saving school.

>>15684938
>JUNNA
>>15684919
>>15684882
>>15684321

Megumi Nakajima > Akino Arai > Junna >>>>>>>>>> Mari Iijima > May'n >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest.

>>15718380
Posting proof.

Megumi Nakajima is the best singer macross ever had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf9mjrG4E8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpylgrmGa4M

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>>15718385
>>15718380

I never thought I could find someone who likes MeguNaka over May'n

>>15718421
Same here, it's not even a Sheryl/Ranka thing, her voice just has way more presence. Their duets are sad because May'n has to hold back so much.

>>15718425
Do you mean, her ugly voice has more presence?

>>15718421

Actually, while Ranka has a few good songs, NakaMegu actually doesn't have much in the way of range. And is actually behind everyone save Juuna in terms of ability and that's because the instrumental arrangements for her songs are better than her actual voice.

I didn't really realize it until Basquash and her solo version of Lion.

While in tv's case of Mayn she's more of a ballad/r&b/rock singer not J-pop.

>>15718380
>>15718380
Do not make me laugh.Junna sings without emotion. Well, Megumi is much better than Junna, but not better than May'n, I like both of them.

>>15720320
Megumi doesn't really sing with emotion either, which is why her version of Lion and Diamond Crevasse both suck. However, Megumi does have the luck of having writers who realize her weakness and so put emotion into the instrumentation in order to hide her lack of emotion when she sings.

Megumi's songs aren't technically demanding songs, in fact her most technically demanding song was "Songbird".

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>>15720320
>Junna sings without emotion
>literally cries while singing ai aboete imasu ka

>>15720320
>>15720871
I can't tell if you people are memeing or genuinely believe this.

>>15720948
Megumi's Diamond Crevasse and Lion solo were both shit because she couldn't carry the vocals. The same thing happens with her other songs not written by Kanno as well. Hell with Basquash her song Hoshi Watari seems emotional until you listen to her voice without the music, or just the music alone.

This is true for all of her songs, which aren't all aren't hard to sing vocally. She was outsung by everyone in the Macross anthem.

>>15720946
Just because a singer feels an emotion when they're singing doesn't mean that they can translate it into their song and convey it in their voice.>>15720946

>>15720946
Crying and what? Her Diamond Crevasse was terrible, although she tried to sing like May'n. And Ai Oboete Imasu ka Walkure ver. was sucks,the worst version of this song. .

>>15720948
I believe that Junna still has a lot to learn before becoming one step with May'n and Megumi. And sing like her, 11 year old girls also know how.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R-duvIErPg

>>15722035
lmao, what a retard. No wonder why everyone at RobotechX are still laughing.

>>15722115
The meaning of your comment is clear only to you.

>>15722077
And what ? Junna was only 15 when Delta aired

>>15722160
Anyone who thinks that this version of Ai Oboete Imasu KA sucks is obviously mentally challenge and deserves to be laughed at.
https://youtu.be/q_zk5dJYY3c?t=1h11m23s

>>15722168
>And what ?
15 years old and what? This child is the best proof that Junna is overestimated, for placing in a row with Megumi & May'n.

>>15722169
Still the worst version of this song.

>>15722179
In show, maybe, but Ranka's version is overall somewhat boring, with the arrangements at the ending making it a bit weird. I still love all version though.

>>15722212
I like both versions of Ranka much more than Walkure ver. and emotions in them more. Well, the parts where Freyja sings are not so bad.

I love this discussion. A threads about which girl deserved to win, what plane performs better and which idol has better voice. This is perfect illustration of what people like Macross for. And this is what Macross should be about. It should not about stupid political confrontation of two forces. Delta fucked up really hard by using NUNS vs Windermere plot. Just leave it to UC Gundams with their extremely autistic Fed vs Zeon shitposting.

>>15722212
Ranka's version (Bless the little queen) is fantastic. First it's great because of the way it was used in anime. Song which saved humanity in the first war with Zentradi was used again to betray humanity few dozens years later. And Kanno changed it to make it sadder, so that you can feel Ranka's pain it.

>>15718380
Yoshiki Fukuyama >>>> your list

>>15723335
I really wish that Kawamori had used the original pitch with no love triangles and just acrobatic pilots buffed by their idol girlfriends.

>>15723534
>no love triangles
get out

>>15723544
>no triangles
>no idols

Boom. I fixed Macross.

>>15723556
You forgot
>no planes
>no zentradi
>no space
>no Macross class ship

>>15723563
so the robots just stand around and shit explodes
I'll take 52 episodes please

>>15718380
>>15718385
>>15718421
Delusional fan boy

>>15676687
Why are you comparing Zessica to a background character?

>>15724676
Wasn't Zessica meant to be a background character before Okada got obsessed with her?

>>15722168
https://youtu.be/K2wqJ8cV3IU
This was May'n when she was around the same age.

>>15724775
That's a pretty bad song, I feel bad for her

>over two weeks old thread
>over 300 replies
Love it when people like these proven to be wrong
>>15686468
>>15687511
>>15690990
Indeed nobody cares and Macross is truly dead that this thread still up and reaching 300+ posts. But keep it up, if you keep saying it's dead every year maybe it will come true. Like Nintendo. Oh wait.

>>15723335
I like political stuff in the background but Macross is about telling story of people, not about the Great Game like Gundam. Plus illustrates that best IMO, we witness events that change whole human race, influence military strategy and tactics for decades but in foreground we get to see personal story of three highschool friends. Also, mecha porn.
And music.
>>15723534
But why?

>>15724801
Well, compared to avalanche of IBO threads, we seem to be rather slow here.

>>15725580
IBO is both a Gundam show (thus way more popular than Macross by default) and has managed to attract a couple extremely dedicated autists to shitpost about it on /m/.

>>15724787
It was her first gig, but she got a better song with SEAMO soo...

July is almost over, and there is still no release of the game. Hilarious.

>>15726342
Welcome to the world of mobile games.
You should try googling Madoka mobile game. First they promised release in May, then re-scheduled it to July. Now it's the end of July and there is no news whatsoever.

Yuuma sugee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCJvX9Mxk_E

>>15724801
>Didn't read the posts
The vast majority of this thread is all about how shitty Delta is.

>>15727929
Only the beginning of the thread is. After that people discuss the whole Macross franchise: its previous entries, planes, idols and songs.

So the official Twitter account isn't going to bother promoting Macross 7's Basara and Mylene? They are also included on the front page of the website. Where's the tweet of the character designs for them? It was announced on a website.

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Finally a macross figma!

>>15731714
KYUUN KYUUN, KYUUN KYUUN!