*Nukes your fleet*

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>>15648442
Heh. Nothin personnel, Kou.

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GATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Nice work, Gato. Now make sure that colony hits Jaburo.

>>15648442
Kou may have been dumb but Gato was the most easily manipulated moron in all of early UC. Not even Glemy's lackeys come close.

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>>15648457
Jaburo was never the target

>>15648442
Misread that as "*nukes your feet*".
Could those clows shoes be repurposed as heat shields for smaller spacecraft?

>>15648442
What would've happen if Amuro was the one testing the GP01?

>>15648555

Successful testing with no climax or narrative tension, after which the Federation would decide the project is too expensive and scrap it in favour of something simpler and cheaper presumably.

>>15648555
Gato would have never made it off that base.

>>15648511
The hell is Yang doing there?

>>15648578
Don't cuss this isn't /b/.

>>15648450
>memes of destiny

>>15648540
>Misread that as "*nukes your feet*".

heh... me, too.

>>15648555
>>15648577

Gato dueled Amuro at Solomon for a few minutes and they were toe to toe in his Rick Dom. They probably would have been evenly matched in this specific instance because of the nuke (and Amuro's hesitation to potentially hit it) and the time that's passed without Amuro seeing any action since the OYW.

Gato would probably be fighting harder too because he'd be trying to symbolically avenge Zeon by defeating the Federation's most famous ace from the war.

>>15648578
Kou and Reinhard share the same voice actor
It's probably because of that

>>15648490
Why was North America the target?
I can't remember
Did Gato had a beef with someone who lived there?

>>15648979
Food production. The drop in NA caused a serious food shortage.

>>15648992
Wait so Gato wanted to starve Earthnoids to death?
Dick move man, dick move

>>15648450
koujacks face needs more lines

>>15648979
>>15648992
>nuke one of the largest fertile areas on earth
>earth now even less capable of supporting all the people who live on it
>colony produced goods now even more important to the earth federation
>earth federation tightens its grip on colonies, suppresses spacenoids even more now that the people of earth will all starve to death if they don't exploit colonies to grow food for them

Just because you're an ace pilot doesn't make you smart, apparently.

>>15649002
colony drop, not nuke
whatever. same thing, narratively speaking at least.

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>>15648442
*Triggers the sheltered perma-virgin weaboos*

>>15649002
Possibly the idea was to make things bad enough to push people harder towards revolution. Granted, still not a great one.

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>>15649154
yeah only r9k would disagree with someone siding with the mass-murdering space nazi terrorist

>>15648442
>manage to capture something that will incriminate the federation
>use it themselves and lose the moral high ground
Zeeks are fucking retarded and deserve everything bad

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>>15649168
>mass-murdering space nazi terrorist
I don't see how fighting for the freedom of your unjustly oppressed people makes you a Nazi or a terrorist. :^)

>>15648961
What proof do we have that Amuro fought Gato at Solomon?

>>15648961
IIRC Gato never met Amuro at Solomon, beside Gato skill level is not as high as Char so I'm pretty sure Gato get rekt as soon as he enter the base thanks to Amuro Newtype intuition

"Wait a minute this fucker is zeon"

>>15648994
Nothing to say more than spacenoids are stupid. Specifically zeeks and their kin. Their brains must be fried from the all the cosmic radiation or something. That's what happens when you live in a floating soup can without a proper atmosphere/magnetosphere for insulation.

>>15649654
there was that video game

it's conclusive proof

>>15649261
>Stop oppressing me!!! :( :( :(
Back to Domblr, ZJW shill.

>some poor sap thinks an alternate mission scenario for a PS2 game is canon

https://youtu.be/7S1IP2znLw4?t=577

oh boy do I have a lot of gihren's greed to bring up

of course garma's zeon faction is canon

>>15649662

Char's skills as a pilot aren't that impressive.

>>15650173
While not to diminish Gato's ability as a pilot (He is one of the, if not the best oldtype pilot in UC.) That's not canon according to Bandai.

>>15648994
Not starve, expose how terrible the Earth Federation governance was where they'd only make sure the elites are taken care of and everyone else has to fend for themselves. I'm sure even with the food shortage in North America, with proper management, the Federation could easily deal with the problem (there would be rationing, but no famine.) But because the Federation is so corrupt and incompetent people would end up dying and it would be on the Federation's watch.

So Operation Stardust had a two fold objective, re-expose why the Federation failed humanity as a governing body and to limit the growth of the Federation's military because they would have to put some resources that would go to building arms, into stabilizing the food crisis.

Resentment for the Federation would grow and a new group would rise to fight their oppression and take up the mantle of spacenoid self-determination.


Never think acts like this are just done to be dicks and to show they can be dicks. That's a job for the Ttians.

>>15652017
I think 0083 affirms Gato's skills plenty. Nobody even beats him in that show. He literally just does whatever the fuck he wants during the finale until his mobile armor has been so whittled down by the long engagement that he kamikazes himself into a fucking battleship or something like that.

As for the goal of Stardust, it's worth remembering that without good food production on Earth they rely heavily on food production from the colonies. They're forcing the Federation to further tax colonies by destroying Earth-grown food production.

It's the Delaz Fleet equivalent of them taking out their tire iron and kneecapping the Federation, and then leaving them for dead on the side of the road. It worked too, although it was meant to since 0083 was added later on.

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>>15648442

*Beams your fleet*

>>15652017
Gato isn't canon, he's not in a movie.

>>15648961
>(and Amuro's hesitation to potentially hit it)
a nuclear bomb isn't just a magically powerful explosive, you can't cause it to detonate by hitting it with a shot, the fissile material has to be compressed by controlled implosion while a neutron reflecting material collapses around it

>>15652069
>Trying this flawed argument again.
Tenacity will get you far, but it won't win the day.

>>15652051
No one is questioning Gato's skill, if he didn't have to go up against a group with heavy plot armor, he probably would have soloed them all in the 1st encounter. But having an actual Gundam series that isn't a Feddie wank is a far off dream.

The Delaz Fleet's intention wasn't to cripple the Federation, they didn't have the resources for that, but to delay and disrupt their growth for the next movement for spacenoid Independence to rise.

>>15655802

You can always play Gihren's Greed if you want an outcome where Zeon achieves glorious final victory in the same of the Supreme Leader Gihren Zabi.

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*Finger fucks your girl (GM)*

>>15648511
Post more angry Kou gifs. The more deranged the better.

>>15655802
>official word is movies are all that's canon
>"""""flawed argument"""""

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>>15655845
You can't make me.

>>15651849
>The most infamous Ace pilot of the One Year War
>Not that impressive
He was sure as fuck more skilled than Gato.

>>15656606
>man paralyzed while fan blows in his face

>>15649002
>colony produced goods now even more important
Realistically speaking, if this was the point, wouldn't that give the colonies more leverage? Doesn't sound like that bad of a plan on paper

>>15649194
>moral high ground
Zeeks never cared about that. It was always about gaining and wielding power.

>>15656606
>ywn avoid carrots in your rice

>>15649194

It only gave them the moral high ground to people who would already support them, since the Granada Accords made the nuclear ban null and void. Delaz, Gato etc were using the existence of the GP-02 as an excuse to continue hostilities since their own side had surrendered years ago but they didn't want to accept the result of the conflict. There was no point holding on to the GP-02 and not using it, since no person or entity with power would find it's existence wrong, but they could certainly say it was wrong and continue to hold the sympathy of people who might otherwise have turned against them if they'd simply used it without clarifying where they got it.

>>15656720
right but what are they going to do? have successive neo zeon movements?

>>15656727

Only if the colonies can organise to with hold resources without certain concessions. Which would take communication and agreement in a level we've never see the Sides have. Plus, the Sides would need to have the Freedom to do all that, which the Federation may not grant them.

>>15650174
>ywn be a Spacenoid Justice Warrior
why live, lads?

DO NOT reply to Black_Knight, he's a shitposter dating back to the early years of /b/.

>>15651849
He's probably one of the weakest Newtypes, but still manages to hold his own against much stronger Newtype pilots and frequently manages to get away and survive against suits much stronger than him. Sure Amuro eventually surpasses him in Piloting and Newtype ability, but by that point Amuro is nonstop killing machine, who few manage to escape battle with their lives against. What he accomplishes across his entire career clearly shows he's a skilled pilot. The final battle of the Gryps conflict where he's being double teamed by both Scirocco and Haman Khan in state-of-the-art, far better suits than his own Hyaku Shiki, solidifies his skills to me. A lesser pilot would've been quickly dealt with without a second thought

>>15656116
>Strawman argument intentionally distorting the facts.
When did the Trump administration start to weigh in on Gundam lore? sean spicer has be relegated to a whole after displeasing his master for the last time

>>15656770
A couple of things, Delaz didn't recognize the legitimacy of the Republic of Zeon after the End of Zeon's War for Independence, so even if the Antarctic Treaty was phased out, he was still waging the war under the impression it was still in effect. Which gave him the moral high ground (which no one disputed) because the Federation built a mobile suit who's sole purpose was for nuclear attacks.

Furthermore, I haven't seen any information about the armistice to end Zeon's War for Independence at Granada nullifying the Antarctic Treaty. And even if it gets violated willy nilly by everyone, it's still in everyone's best to keep such a treaty because it might deter potential violations.

>>15656720
Only if you the colonists moved towards autonomy where their voice mattered and they could use the situation to their advantage. The Federation still ruled the colonies with an iron fist so all they could do is follow the commands of Earth.

>>15657323
>Which gave him the moral high ground (which no one disputed) because the Federation built a mobile suit who's sole purpose was for nuclear attacks.
I thought the Antarctic treaty prohibited the usage of nuclear weapons in war, not the development of delivery systems. This is like equating the development of a new ICBM with the actual nuking and death toll of a city.

Why the hell does Delaz still hold the moral high ground when he claims the treaty is still in effect and then proceeds to violate it twice himself?

>Furthermore, I haven't seen any information about the armistice to end Zeon's War for Independence at Granada nullifying the Antarctic Treaty. And even if it gets violated willy nilly by everyone, it's still in everyone's best to keep such a treaty because it might deter potential violations.
Supposedly the Granada accords are meant to carry on the Antarctic treaty's guidelines as a more permanent set of rules, but that's just what some databooks say and there isn't even a list of what the Granada accords cover. As pointed out before, in Zeta they still refer to the Antarctic treaty.

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Anyone one else reading 0083 Rebellion? Gotta say I'm liking it more then the original OVA except for some small dumb changes they made.

>>15648961
>Gato dueled Amuro at Solomon for a few minutes and they were toe to toe in his Rick Dom
Dont ever remember that happening

>>15658315
see >>15650196

>>15657386
The usage of nuclear weapons is prohibited, which logically means that you wouldn't put research and development into them. So any sort of weapon that is built to use nuclear weapons is seen as an intent to violate the treaty, which was the case since the Federation developed the GP-02 in secret and while we didn't see the public reaction to the revelation. The fact that that one black general who was kept in the dark about the Federation's overall plot, could only slam his fist and sweat bullets meant it was extremely bad for the Federation.

Going to need to see evidence regarding your claim on Granada. At this point Antarctic Treaty is still the go to treaty in regards to certain weapons of mass destruction and treatment of prisoners.

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>>15648442
>What the hell is that a Gundam? OH SHI-

>>15658499
>So any sort of weapon that is built to use nuclear weapons is seen as an intent to violate the treaty, which was the case since the Federation developed the GP-02 in secret and while we didn't see the public reaction to the revelation.
Technically, Anaheim developed the GP02A, not the Federation. I don't believe at any point the Federation actually made plans to purchase the GP02A, the GP series were tech demonstrators and whatnot that AE wanted to sell to the Federation but the units were still in the middle of development and no contract was actually hammered out yet.

Most military projects are secret, that in itself is no surprise. The GP03 and GP04 were also secret but neither were even borderline illegal or meant to be armed with illegal arms.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110629141858/http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/uc/background/glossary_misc.html#antarctictreaty

I have a feeling you'll dismiss this source because it also states that the Battle of Loum was a genuine attempt at a second colony drop instead of a feint by Dozle to lure the Federation fleet into a battle.

>>15658698
Regardless of whether Anaheim was responsible for their manufacture or not, they were married with live nuclear weapons at a Federation based and "guarded" by Federation personnel. When they were unsurprisingly stolen from the base, Federation soldiers pursued.

At some point any plausible deniability over that project flew way the fuck out of the window.

>check out ma sources!
>A top-secret mobile suit development program launched by the Earth Federation Forces in October of U.C. 0081. As part of their post-war rearmament, the Federation Forces commission Anaheim Electronics, a civilian corporation, to create a series of experimental mobile suits based on the RX-78 Gundam. The first prototypes produced by the Gundam Development Project are completed in September of U.C. 0083. [Gundam 0083]
Seems fine to me.

>>15658698

> http://web.archive.org/web/20110629141858/http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/uc/background/glossary_misc.html#antarctictreaty

This is probably where people are pulling the idea the Antartic Treaty is gone after 0079 from by the way.

> When the Principality is dissolved at the end of the One Year War, the Antarctic Treaty becomes officially defunct. However, most of its provisions are enshrined as international law with the signing of the Granada peace accords.

I don't think there's ever been anything saying which specific elements are no longer valid and which became international law, but the treaty is done after the One Year War going by the official site.

>>15658698
See
>>15658730

To add to that, Anaheim could build a mobile suit that could launch nuclear payloads, because they were an independent contractor and not a governing body. And the Federation could employ plausible deniability if the project was leaked saying that they just told Anaheim to develop a new mobile suits and they, themselves made it used nuclear weapons. The moment the Federation accepted and armed it, every justification flew out the window and it became a walking violation of the antarctic treaty.

>>15659592
The only mention of the Antarctic Treaty in the post war was in Zeta when Apolly mentioned it when they first heard about the Federation's plot to kill everyone at Jaburo with nuclear weapons. To complicate this, and for the sake of transparency before certain vultures try to capitalize on it. That scene was only the TV version, so take it with a grain of salt.

Regardless, there has been nothing I've seen that states the Granada Peace Accords made the Antarctic Treaty defunct outside of Simmons's word.

>>15652069
>not in a movie
what is last blitz of zeon

>>15652069
>Gato isn't canon
Where does this train of thought come from?

>>15663899
From being a massive retard.

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>>15652069
>Gato isn't canon, he's not in a movie.

Da fuck is this nigga talking about?

>>15663925
>>15663911
A poorly constructed strawman based from the fact that the movie timeline is the canon one. So he's just applying some Fox News logic to it by claiming everything that is not a movie is not canon.

Quite shameful really.

>>15648442
It's pretty unreliable actually.

>>15648442
>an actual nuke would probably destroy a total of one ship
>the rest would be sufficiently far away in any reasonable formation to be out of effective blast range
>and that's assuming they don't just shoot the nuke down
also nuclear missiles don't look like beams gato, get ur shit together

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>>15648442
>Dainsliefs you before you can launch it

>>15664092
I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight, but I must cross this bridge.

>>15666747
Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.