IBO

and wasn't the ahab rector supposed to be super impressive or something? They didn't even show one of those blowing up...

>>15618501
>did they ever tell us what happened to Sydney?
Is just a reference to the original gundam.

>>15618501
It was not explained, but I suspect that was deliberate.

If they ever do a prequel or even a Calamity War series or OVA I suspect the climax would involve some sort of superweapon (a la Solar System or the Gryps colony laser) that razes the moon.

>>15618504
The Ahab reactors are essentially the same thing as Minovsky nuclear reactors from UC, they're just given a different name, they can identity one another via signature and if you put two in an MS at once it becomes notably more powerful.

>>15618520
Yes, this, essentially, but I also think IBO is actually meant to take place vaguely after UC, kind of like X. IBO, X and G-Reco seem to be kind of alternate UC continuations.

>>15618535
I thought it was more separate than that. The notion to create Gundam frames came from the Calamity war and the need to destroy Mobile Armors. So it was either far in the future or in a completely separate timeline since there are no big colonies in space or any mention of Zeon or Federation. Correct me if I am wrong details just blur from time to time.

>>15618501
>cause all the technology shown in the show was no where powerful enough to destroy the moon.
You don't think of the hundreds of Mobile Armors that maybe a bunch could have destroyed the moon?
That of all the banned technology by Gjallarhorn that something might be powerful enough?

DO YOU NEED TO BE SPOONFED EVERY SINGLE FUCKING MINUTE DETAIL OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING SETTING

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Would you miss it?

>>15618501
This map and a lot of the Calamity war exposition from the first season refers to the version of the war that was dropped and retconned into a more simple version of the event presented in the second season. Mostly due to the sponsors wanting a Mobile Armour gunpla to be included. It was supposed to be a political conflict at first.

>>15618552
Still trying force meaning into bad writing? Sad.

>>15618552
>EVERY SINGLE FUCKING MINUTE DETAIL

They blew up the FUCKING MOON

>all the banned technology by Gjallarhorn that something might be powerful enough

What powerful banned technology?You mean the needle gun? I thought it was pretty pathetic, sure it reckt all the ms and such, but it was really just a long range sniper rifle with high penetration, not something to be a "banned weapon" even by today's standards. That been said, I can only imagine the other "banned weapons" by gjallarhorn to be as if not more pathetic than the needle gun.

And the board starts to spiral from genuine question into another IBO shitpost.

>>15618546
You're not wrong, but they seem to have made it deliberately unclear. We didn't get to see a lot of Earth-orbit colonies, but that doesn't mean they're not there. If they've colonized Mars and still have the ability to travel between the two planets it's a safe bet they have at least a few colonies, and that crater is a solid piece of evidence that even if they don't, they had them at some point.

The thing about Gundam frames and Mobile Armour is a really interesting one; McGillis says very early on that "Mobile Suits by that name have appeared often at turning points in history". This implies that there were instances of Gundam before the Calamity War, because what he said wouldn't make sense if Gundams only had an effect then. I suspect that the Gundam frames of the Calamity War were named and inspired deliberately to invoke the spirit of past UC-era Gundams. As usual, not all "Gundam" suits have to share the same mechanics - they don't NEED to have twin Ahabs to be a Gundam from before the technology existed.

Even the name "Mobile Armour" suggests that they originally had human pilots. Wing was careful to call its versions "Mobile Dolls" due to the lack of someone to wear it like a "suit" or "armour". But you're right, these details blur, and that's because they've left it ambiguous, either because they want to leave the possibility open for sequels/prequels, or they just decided not to flesh out those parts of the world building that much.

>>15618575
True, all we have seen were just space stations along the way to Earth/Mars not colonies. The "turning points" make sense I completely forgot about it. I would love to see some Calamity War prequel with mobile armor creation and such.

>not considering a colony-sized Dainsleif

/m/'s imagination is dead

>>15618565
I'm sure there was more banned weapons. Or shit that was lost to time.
If we think about it most of the stuff hinted or seen in calamity war tech (Dantalion's pack, Astaroth's blade, Kimaris Vidar's dainsleif blade, Bael's flight module, beams) were all lost due to technological repression of loss of knowledge on rebuilding it. I mean the Ahab waves are all limited to GH productions for MS or ships and most guys have to cobble together lost suits for those reactors.
Granted if Chad was aware of beam weaponry as a rumour that was also banned/lost by the looks of it, would people be aware of the Dainsleif?
Plus the needle gun was pretty powerful for what it was, versatile for orbital bombardment, or fleet destroying. Imagine the launcher with a stronger form of payload instead than just metal rods.
>>15618501
Well what do you think happens after decades of hiding or destroying any knowledge of calamity era stuff, we probably haven't even scratched the surface on those weapons in Calamity War. It's probably shit they never fleshed out, could be a powerful MA (we only ever saw the one) or a weapon on a unseen gundam. Never explained it because too busy on shitty politics but it's not hard to guess something went down.

>>15618583
I agree with you, I'd really like to see a Calamity War OVA with visual hints to UC.

Another aspect of IBO that hints that we don't have the full picture comes in the form of the Gundams; there were originally at least 72 twin-Ahab types, they mentioned only about 26 remain active, but they showed us a total of about 6 Gundams in the entire show, and 2-3 in side material. Even discounting "what the fuck happened to the 72?", there's still "what the fuck are the other 18 Gundams doing?". Similarly, the Valkyrja frames are named in a way that suggests there were ten, and we can assume they were mostly destroyed in the Calamity War itself. Finally, the mobile armours are named for Hebrew angels from an order of ten; we only saw one. Besides Hashmallim, it includes Ophanim, Seraphim, Cherubim, Ishim, Malakh, and others. What were those ones like? It's never shown, only left for the audience to imagine. Now I'm not saying that makes it good writing, but it suggests that they did their research in attempting to make the narrative feel like it takes place in an actual world where other conflicts happened.

>>15618599
dude was taking a nap for a few hundred years buried alive and then some idiots wake him up what did you expect? a hug ?

>>15618599
If that's one MA type with a simple reflecting beam, then imagine what stronger MA exist with better beams.
>>15618604
>not a colony sized Dainsleif with a Ahab bomb

>>15618611
My guess is some of them rather than being inactive were destroyed completely, taken apart or are still buried somewhere on Mars. I liked the MS naming after demons from Ars Goetia but didnt know about the MA angles names. Jesus this show just had so much potential. Now it has shitposters.

>>15618617
they’ve said that dainsleifs carried nuclear warheads and were made from gundam frame materials, its only in ibo they used the sewing needles

>>15618618
That's what gets me too about the series in this case.
Left open so much potential for good work in the right hand. Hell how is the manga?
>>15618623
Didn't know that, source? It makes sense really, nuke creation would've been under the same bans, it's disposable and would cause less noticeable damage like a nuke would. Well in comparison.

>>15618618
Don't be so down, Anon. IBO has just come out, maybe they'll give it some more love a little later on. They've just figured out they need to constantly be putting out UC media to please the purists so let them get that part sorted and we'll see what happens.

One more thing;
>http://rick.stanford.edu/valkyrie/valkinfo.html
We can ascertain that the Grimgerde was probably the last Valkyrja frame they ever made, and Helmwige was one of the early ones. Interesting that McGillis decided to convert his Grimgerde into the Helmwige Reincar, which suggests he still have some of the tech specs required to do so.

A lot of work goes into passive world setting in shows like this that will tell you a lot about the technology or world if you take the time to look it up. Normally I would say there's no reason to think they have all ten valkyries and all ten angels, but the fact that they explicitly state that there are 72 Gundams suggests they did.

>>15618609
>It's probably shit they never fleshed out, could be a powerful MA (we only ever saw the one) or a weapon on a unseen gundam. Never explained it because too busy on shitty politics but it's not hard to guess something went down.
Anon I feel like you're expecting a lot of stuff that was never promised to you. Gundam shows aren't a magical showcase to show you all the weapons in a series - well, some of the older ones are, but IBO is trying to tell a story. It's unrealistic for all the original mobile weapons to just conveniently line up just for your completionism.

If anything, this could potentially become a really cool way of exploring a universe - multiple shows/OVAs/manga which show you a portion of a world in conflict - you get to see SOME of the mobile armours, SOME of the mobile suits, but never all at the same place at the same time, not lined up like action figures. I get that Gundam is essentially a glorified toy commercial but it desperately wants to move beyond that.

>>15618630
I'm not mad outside of no second MA appearing.
I'm not meaning to be mad, I just thought politics were weak. Background stuff just seemed more interesting that what they pushed out.
I am bummed that we may not get more insight into that stuff through works other than the tv series. Like what happens with Jupiter in IBO.

>>15618625
>source
They were definitely talking about warheads in anime around the time Flauros fought Hashmal.

>>15618630
Hey, I’ve enjoyed IBO through bad moments and given it was my first Gundam (and I overlooked weak parts) anime after 2 episodes of G-Reco I’ve since then watched the original Gundam movie Trilogy, Thunderbolt, Origins, 8th MS Team, War in the Pocket, heck even Build Fighters and I still want more. I would love IBO the be better but that didnt stop it from developing my interest in Gundam franchise.

Talking about Helmwige its built to be at the limit the valkyrja frame can handle and its made specifically to fight MA and since McGillis is rich and has access to Gjallahorn resources he probably had some parts laying around from older suits.

>>15618501
>Europe
>part of the African Union

kek based Japs know

>>15618658
>Talking about Helmwige its built to be at the limit the valkyrja frame can handle and its made specifically to fight MA and since McGillis is rich and has access to Gjallahorn resources he probably had some parts laying around from older suits.
It's interesting. I wonder if he had other Valkyrja parts for suits that were designed for other purposes, like stealth or sniping, and he just didn't need to use them.

I also wonder what the other Seven Stars Gundams were like.

>>15618668
>sniping
Thats the only one confirmed. Remember the orbital dainsleif strike in the end? The Grazes had special telescopis eyes for long distances. However rather than not having stealth or other specialised suits since GH had mostly variants of Graze MS and a few family ones like Kimaris McGillis didnt want them. He was obsessed with raw strength so thats why he "liked" Mika and maybe the whole Tekkadan. He didnt even modify Bael and used only the swords. The Seven star Gundam were probably the family ones.

>>15618557
The tides man.

>>15618658
>Hey, I’ve enjoyed IBO through bad moments and given it was my first Gundam
That's sad as shit would explain why retards like you are still defending it.

>>15618725
And you cant do anything about it. Dont pop a vein while youre at it.

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Maybe they're called Ahab Reactors because a giant space whale crashed through the moon.

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>>15618765

>>15618773
Thats it ?

>>15618682

Eh we'll figure it out.

>>15618803
At least you're not denying it

So what I'm getting from this thread is that they need to make a series of Calamity War OVAs sometime in the future.

I don't oppose this.

>>15618810
Why should I deny liking IBO. Youve read my posts, you know I also like much more while you came and started insulting me.

>>15618773
It must suck being angry all the time over things like what cartoons other people watch.

Gundam frames apparently have the power to turn fucking sentient and gain semi-psychic superpowers and bloodlust. Betcha whatever they're based on could do that too.

>>15618834
it reminds me of the psycho frame backslash from Unicorn

>>15618834
A prequel OVA to IBO would basically be cosmic horror.

>>15618501
>also the world map here, did they ever tell us what happened to Sydney?
The emus struck back.

>>15618834
I had an idea a while back, it's stupid and completely not possible, but I thought it'd be pretty interesting if the Gundams were actually, physically, possessed in some way by the Goetic demon they're named for. It'd explain the weird semi sentience, the bloodlust, the ferocity; it'd explain why a magical glowing sigil appears when they turn on, it'd explain why it just so happened that 72 twin-Ahab Mobile Suits actually functioned and the rest didn't. It's getting into super robot territory but Eldritch Gundam would be sick. Maybe pretend that twin Ahab reactors somehow call forth the demon and its will inhabits the frame for some reason.

>>15618844
I'd be down for that.

>>15618820
>Why should I deny liking shit
Not something
>>15618832
>It must suck not liking shit like me
Not really. If anything I'm just ecstatic that most people share the same opinion that it was shit and that the people who like it can't defend it.

>>15618552
>DO YOU NEED TO BE SPOONFED EVERY SINGLE FUCKING MINUTE DETAIL OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING SETTING
Nah, but i'd like a developed setting next time.

>>15618630
>but it desperately wants to move beyond that.
Try came out like a year ago, and the BF OVA is on its way.

>>15618501
DAINSLEIF'D

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>>15619078
>Eldritch Gundam
Shit, I'd fund that.

>>15618565
>needle gun
>a hyper powered coilgun "just a needle gun with high penetration"
>not something to be a "banned weapon" even by today's standards
Do I even need to point out the nonsense in this post?

Also, MA had fucking laser technologies that are shown to have really long range, what if there were even larger MA than the one shown in the episodes?
Also:
>muh explainations
>i must know everything
>what is death of author
>what is the fun of fan theories
IBO shitters are getting really annoying.

>>15618501
>moon is gaone
>no coastline has changed

>>15618501
I think it's safe to assume that's what happens when you let Australia build giant robots.

>>15620106
It's almost certain that the final boss of the Calamity War OVA is a super-giant mobile armour that produces other mobile armours like Hashmal the same way Hashmal produces Pluma

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>>15618501
>Blow up the moon

Where did you get this son? We can perfectly saw the moon during Tekkadan landing on Earth during the 1st season.

>>15620254

Been a long while since I saw lit last, but apparently in S1 the Moon was shown as having a chunk blown out of it.

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>>15620313
You mean this?

That's from Aldnoah Zero, while IBO is a ripoff of this, they don't have the moon thing.

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>>15620323
Never saw that posted in reference but I looked up IBO's moon, going see if an episode talked about the moon's state or something.

>>15620356
Thats just.. a half moon? We have that in real life anon

>>15620372
I was just looking into what you two were talking about, see if anything did get referred to the moon anyway.

>>15620356
It was episode 4 or 5, just before they left Mars. Mika was on watch during the night, Kudelia went to talk to him, mentioned that his name includes the kanji for moon and that it was fucked during the Calamity War.

I think there's a view of the moon missing a chunk when Tekkadan finally reaches Earth, around episode 20.

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>>15620394
Ah

>>15618501
>how they managed to blow up the moon in IBO?
Nope, never explained
>what happened to Sydney
Zeon dropped Island Iffish on it a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago.

And after Perfected DG Cells were used to restore the environment after G Gundam the data they had for what the earth was "supposed to" look like was apparently from after the OYW so the Sydney crater didn't get repaired like all those After War Gundam X craters.

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>>15620407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueWrfeeXPsw

>the moon got oblitterated
>landmasses are mostly unchanged
Huh, never thought about that.

>>15618772
this is now my headcanon.
mobile suits and mobile armors were built to fight a SPACE WHALE invasion before the mobile armors turned on their creators.

>>15620372
>>15620323
Kudelia tells Mikazuki that the moon was damaged and now you can only see part of it. iirc it was around the time Mika learned to write his name. Also I'm pretty sure a partial moon was visible a few times near the end of season 2, before they retreated to Mars.

>>15620429
What if there was a space whale Mobile armor?

>>15620443
Moby Armor?
Mobile Dick? wait...no.

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>>15620394
>>15620398
>>15620436

Wait, what the fuck... really?
I never noticed that! I maybe be late to say this but hell, IBO is a straight Aldnoah Zero rip-off.

Whoever the fuck approved the storyline of this show should be hanged or nailed on the cross.

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>>15620457
Come on man you hated the show enough to finish it yet you never even clocked on until now?
Besides Moon destruction isn't new in media. Even in sci fi manga/anime.
>>15620445
Mobile dick works. Maybe White Whale. Bahamut?
>a space fight would be ships just spamming Dainsleifs against it
If only it was true.

>>15618504

Ahab Reactors are said to be physically indestructible, which is why how a shit ton of Calamity War-era reactors are still operational even by the time of IBO's events. That debris zone where Tekkadan fought the Brewers in was filled with still-functioning Ahab Reactors from destroyed ships and suits that were messing with the gravity in that area.

>>15618565

Nano-laminate paint makes beam weapons useless against ships and mobile suits that make use of an Ahab Reactor. Beam weapons are still effective against people and places though, i.e. space colonies, cities, people, the fucking moon, etc. Also, if you go by the hierarchy of angels that the Hashmal is part of, it has a rank of 4 out of 10, which basically makes it a mid-tier mobile armor. The ones above it are probably even larger and can wreck more shit up (i.e. think Gadelaza from 00, a ship-sized MA). As for the Dainsleif, you are forgetting that it can be loaded with other types of ammunition. When it was used against the Hashmal, it was loaded with explosive rounds. Hell, it can probably even be loaded with nuclear rounds and used for an orbital bombardment like what Rustal did against Barbatos and Gusion. Also, Ahab Reactors come in mobile suit and ship-sized variants. If you think about it, there were probably ship-sized variants used during the war that used the output of ship-sized reactors.

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>>15620443

You called? Made by the same guy who designed Hashmal.

>>15620521
If Kinetic weapons can be boosted by the single/twin ahabs, imagine something like a particle beam cannon.
>the output of ship-sized reactors.
Sounds fearsome.

>>15620526

I really think they hand out the label "Mobile Armor" too freely sometimes.

>>15621417
It has manipulators and a head. Val Varo has less.

>>15621654

I don't think a Mobile Armor has to have a head.

Many Mobile Armors like the Bigro, Zakrello, Rafflesia and Braw Bro lack those anyway.

>>15620526
00 designs are bad

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>Bael is white and blue
>Barbatos starts with and mantains a predominantly white and blue color scheme throughout tge show
>Flauros' original colors are white and blue before Shino slathered it in pink
Is it safe to assume that the colors of the original gjallarhorn were white and blue? The only gundam frame that doesn't fit into this is the orignal Astaroth.

>>15623941
HE KNOWS TOO MUCH

>>15623941
I thought the warren family painted astaroth red after the calamity war had already ended?

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>>15623974
>I thought the warren family painted astaroth red after the calamity war had already ended?
haven't read the manga, so I don't know. Astaroth rebuilt is also White and Blue.
Makes me wonder what the hell Gusion was supposed to look like before it got Rodi-fied.

>>15618501
So IBO is US? Sydney being obliterated and all?

>>15624146
Australia gets fucked up in almost every gundam continuity, though.

>>15624166
Ohhh, really? I thought it was just UC.

>>15624189
It's usually done in reference to UC

>>15619358
What a pathetic post.

>>15623941
Would Kimaris Vidar have this white and blue theme?
>>15624140
Probably a mix of full city and Rebake. Maybe a more standard gundam head and no scissors.
Wonder if the 4 arms were standard.

>>15620457
>Iron Menstruation ripped off a far better anime
I should be surprised by this yet I'm not

>>15618501
>blow up the moon in IBO?
What? Don't we see the moon? Isn't the Arianrhod fleet set up on or near the moon?

>>15619078
>>15620076
>Ahab reactors generate infinite energy.
>They do it by siphoning energy from a different dimension.
>"Something" used the conduit created by the reactor to crossed into our realm and posessed the frame.
Would you watch Gundam: Event Horizon Edition.

This question is stupjd .. the calamity war was hundreds of years ago and there's no war going on at the time of the show.. why would that kind of tech just be visible for all to say without there being some needless info dump

>>15625137
Yes arianhod base is on the moon

>>15618658
>>15618820
>can't even defend the show they apparently like when they haven't seen any other gundumb to compare it to
KEK

>>15618501
>did they ever tell us what happened to Sydney?
0079 and 1979 happened. MSG and SkyLab.

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>>15623941
Dantalion too

>>15618630
>Interesting that McGillis decided to convert his Grimgerde into the Helmwige Reincar, which suggests he still have some of the tech specs required to do so.

The HG Manual states that the plans for the Helmwige were obtained by Montag company and McGillis (Montag) had them reproduce the armor as optional loadout for his valkyria frame. also states it was developed right at the end of the war and is meant as a sister machine to the grimgerde so considering the extremely short production run of the valkyria frame (Only 12 units) they were probably made alongside each other.

>>15624140
Full Cities manual says that it was made by taking the rebake and combining it with design elements of the original calamity war gusion they pulled from the frames memory storage. So I'd guess it was some sort of brawler going by the heavier armor, knuckles, etc.

>>15625153
>gundam v demons
>or actual devil gundam
Sure
>>15626052
The actual rebake head is unique right?

The moon is there, Mike was looking at it when he first landed on Earth, and learned the meaning of his name Kuladia.

>>15618552
>DO YOU NEED TO BE SPOONFED EVERY SINGLE FUCKING MINUTE DETAIL OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING SETTING
Gundamfags do, yes.

>>15618501
The moon wasn't destroyed it was only damaged.

>>15625155
Everyone seems to forget IBO is Post-Post-Apocalypse. Gjallarhorn is pretty much the only reason the setting isn't worse off than Gundam X.

>>15623941
>The only gundam frame that doesn't fit into this is the orignal Astaroth.
And Kimaris, which was various shades of purple. Both were obviously repainted post-war though.

>>15624140
Frogusion was a complete refit, apparently Full City is the closest to Gusion's original form. I would imagine if you removed the extra arm pods, the giant nippers, and the extra camera on the head you'd probably get something that could pass for the original Calamity War Gusion?

>>15626696
Maybe the repaints came post war.
Kimaris was paraded around by the family right? Remember box or wiki saying this. And Astaroth was dug up by the Warrens and claimed. Could've been repainted when it was claimed by GH members post war into the purples and red.
Plus Kimaris had several modes like Trooper and Booster, KV could've been its final stage and had the purple paints later in war.

>>15626731
>Maybe the repaints came post war.
I literally said that: >>15626696
>Both were obviously repainted post-war though.

>And Astaroth was dug up by the Warrens and claimed. Could've been repainted when it was claimed by GH members post war into the purples and red.
I remember reading somewhere that is more or less the case, the Warrens repainted it red for some reason after the fact, it wasn't originally red.

>Plus Kimaris had several modes like Trooper and Booster, KV could've been its final stage and had the purple paints later in war.
You do know that Trooper and Kimaris Vidar were custom refits done by Gaelio, right?

>>15626761
I thought there was something on KV being based on the CW Kimaris' set up, I must be mistaken then

Was it ever clarified if Bael was the Fareed family gundam? I got the impression it existed as the top dog frame outside the families, but I don't see why McGillis would stick to a Graze when Gali was able to pull Kimaris out of storage just for kicks unless it was off limits or lost.

>>15626988
Fareed family gundam was either destroyed or just not McGillis's style. Also Gaelio had to apparently jump through some hoops and have a justification in pursuing Barbatos (Another gundam) to justify pulling out Kimaris. McGillis wasn't part of that and had no threat like that to justifu pulling out a gundam. Also he used Carta's Graze as a promotional tool to raise his reputation within the public eye and Gjallarhorn.

>>15626988
Did you even watch the show?

>>15626761

Only Vidar is a custom refit. It was made in order to conceal Kimaris' identity. Booster Type was said to be used for ceremonial and parade purposes after the war. Trooper Type was Booster Type's ground combat counterpart. Whereas Kimaris-Vidar is said to have the same appearance as the Calamity War era Kimaris when it fought alongside Agnika and Gundam Bael. But of course, we don't know if it had the same exact load-out as the Calamity War-era Kimaris that looked like Kimaris-Vidar, or if Gaelio added new crap to it, like the Drill Knees which are said to be specifically for piercing mobile suit cockpits.

>>15626988

Bael is Agnika Kael's personal Gundam. The Fareed family has its own Gundam stored in the same place where Bael was stored at. As for why McGillis couldn't pilot it, he was obligated to pilot the Graze Ritter as the head of the Outer Orbital Joint Regulatory Fleet. It's the same reason why he couldn't pilot the Helmwige Reincar.

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>>15618501
>Europe is part of Africa and the Middle East