So why was this the only second generation SEED Destiny suit

>Why did Shinn think he could catch or parry beam sabers with his hands?

Because his tactic was was to shoot through the sabers and right into Justice's upper body, winning him the fight.

It failed, but it was a fair gamble and would have been epic if it worked. On the other hand using his boomerang sabers or shields to block would have just gotten him back into another stalemate grapple and would have gotten him in range to get kicked with the leg sabers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD5OJd6i1uM

>>15600748
Shinn had already lost his boomerangs at that point, I think Athrun had already kicked/swiped both of them away at that point

>>15600742
>Why are its Wings of Light seemingly just a worse version of Strike Freedoms'?

Because Strike Freedom exists specifically to be better than Destiny Gundam.

>>15600742
>What's the point of the Anti-Ship sword having the metal part when all it does is allow it to be cut apart and rendered useless?
How many ships are going to cut it apart? Blame the user for being too retarded to use the right tool for the right job.

>>15600742
>>15600766
I can't even see OP's picture anymore without being reminded of that autist's video.

>>15600742
>>15600776
But its not even worse... Destiny's WOL gives both mobility and afterimages. SF's WOL doesn't work at 100% unless its DRAGOONS are deployed and doesn't give afterimages.

SEED mode literally just gives heightened reflexes iirc

No way to actually weaponise it.

And to answer your questions, Shinn's first mistake was to even think of engaging in melee combat with IJ.
The original Justice is a balanced machine, but the IJ is melee specialised. In a melee fight, the IJ is going to have the upper hand. If they clash blades and have a stalemate, it just opens up a chance for IJ to shoot with the backpack guns, or to fuck him up with leg sabers.

>>15600917
>If they clash blades and have a stalemate
Not possible in SEED since beam sabers can't clash, they just go through each other. That's why the anti-ship sword was busted

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>>15600925
People who keep repeating this dumb shit are obviously never fucking watched SEED.

>>15600930
>officially stated to be an animation error
>models kits say SEED sabers can't clash
Keep shitposting

>>15600934
Source?

>>15600742
>Why did Shinn think he could catch or parry beam sabers with his hands?
Isn't that what Palma Fiocina is supposed to be for?

>>15601188
Well, kind of. I can see them parrying a beam blade by slapping it away, since that's how parries are supposed to go. "Blade locking" is something that no competent fighter wants to do. Shinn's mistake was trying to catch the beam sabers, which would have required a more sustained emission than the Palma Fiocina were designed for. They're meant for brief bursts of energy to spear through the target (that's what "Palma Fiocina" means, in fact, Palm Spear), not prolonged ones to cut with.

>>15600742

Can I say that I'm really disappointed by the Destiny? You'd think that it would have all three Striker Packs combined, except even BETTER. But it has the Striker Packs half-assed. Ideally, it should've had two of everything and a few unique gimmicks.

But as it turned out, it was basically underdressed compared to the Freedom and so on. Shinn really got the short end of the fucking stick: the Destiny didn't even get a good color scheme! It just looked like shit.

>>15600917
>And to answer your questions, Shinn's first mistake was to even think of engaging in melee combat with IJ.
I mean the only other options Destiny has are a cannon that isn't going to hit anyone competent due to its deployment time, a normal rifle and the palm cannons.

None of that is good enough to take out something like IJ, it has no trump card. We don't see any evidence of Destiny's WOL being a good enough advantage to suggest that its added mobility actually allows it to pressure or out maneuver anyone who isn't a Destroy or a grunt.

I mean we see it dodging an all-around attack from DRAGOONS but apparently it's not fast enough to just get behind or flank someone because we never see it being used that way.

>>15600742
>Why are its Wings of Light seemingly just a worse version of Strike Freedoms'?
They're not, the Freedom can't use them on earth because of dragoons

>Why did nobody ever think to develop a Bio Sensor equivalent for SEED Mode when people were obviously aware of this phenomenon being a thing?
That's not how SEED works.

>>15601147
not him, but this was redrawn in the remasters iirc.
For all the shit SEED does it's surprisingly technologically consistent most of the time

>>15600934
Not the only time beams clash you idiot.
There are several instances of beam clashes.

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Technically speaking, Destiny backpack is the Perfect Strike combined, but it also lost the CIWs shoulder, missiles and rocket anchor. In essence, became a beam-only machine. It's not specialized in anything, just "cool".

However, there's a bigger issue: the writing. Shin's combat style is boring and without any creativity, even during the remaster. Boomerangs being wasted, palm cannons being wasted, anti-ship sword super overused. Only slash, slash, beam... slash, slash, beam...

To be pretty honest, only scenes where Destiny was better used was, ironically, in Try, with Shimon.

>>15600934

>Kira blocks incoming beams with beam sabers, which are made of the same energy just in a different shape
>No it's an animation error


Nice try wackymodderwhatever

>>15601408
>To be pretty honest, only scenes where Destiny was better used was, ironically, in Try, with Shimon.
Not really, that's a fallacy. You only think so because it was so different from the way that that Shinn used it so it seems like a breath of fresh air, but anything that could box would have worked for Shimon.

>>15601378
>That's not how SEED works.
SEED DOESN'T work, the writing is shit and scrapped the entirety of the concept beyond the fact it exists

>>15601415
I wonder how he would've done with the Maxter or its upgrade.

>>15601378
>the Freedom can't use them on earth because of dragoons

I'm reminded of that one game where Strike Freedom can fly in an atmosphere but can't use its Dragoons while the Nu Gundam can only boost jump but can use its fin funnels without penalty.

>>15601408
>Shin's combat style is boring and without any creativity
Only after getting the Destiny.
Earlier in the series Shinn is extremely innovative when in the impulse, he gets close to Uso levels of improvisation.
That battle in the desert where he took down the crab MA had him use all of the impulse's weaponry, and his initial fights in the colony debris in the first arc of the show had him use the environments effectively to his advantage.

>>15601410
>Kira blocks incoming beams with beam sabers, which are made of the same energy just in a different shape
No they aren't. Ranged beam weapons are particle beams, melee beam weapons are plasma fields. Which, I mean, doesn't actually mean that something that could block ranged attacks couldn't block melee, if anything it would be much easier to block melee attacks than ranged ones due to the lower momentum. I'm just being pedantic, I guess.

>>15601426
What game is that?

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>>15601415
>but anything that could box would have worked for Shimon.
Ok, but come on... Guy did a combined beam attack + multikill with sword in a row. Give him some credit.

In general, I think box was a "lazy" choice for Shimon. Palm cannons are used with open hands, not closed fists. In this case, Wushu would have been better, more stylish, fit better.

Sekai's Chicken How're U wouldn't stand a chance.

>>15601426

UC remote weaponry can work in an atmosphere.

>>15601426
I doubt this was a versus game since they don't really care for this kind of detail there.
Was it a Gundam game or something like ACE?

>>15601427
>Only after getting the Destiny.
Yes.

>>15601443

Might be either an ACE or Scramble Commander game.

>>15601420
SEED isn't some spiritual energy thing like being a Newtype though.
It's based no more psychological and physiological conditions so you can't really channel it through a biosensor.
You could probably have some system that forces the pilot to go through emotional trauma or pumps drugs into them to jumpstart it though.

>>15601450
It's not supposed to. Psyco Gundam Mark II's reflector bits and Qubeley's funnels floating in midair with no propulsion was bad, but then again they couldn't have had such a dynamic fight if they didn't bring out their remote weapons.

In Unicorn they properly showed that the space use funnels that the Qubeley and Kshatriya use have no way to properly stabilize themselves in atmosphere so they can't hover very well, and at least the Shamblo's reflector bits had rotor propulsion.

>>15601465

To paraphrase a quote about the F-4 Phantom: "Thrust over aerodynamics".

The funnels can't maneuver very well in an atmosphere but they can remain in midair for as long as they have power/propellant/fuel.

>>15601477
True and even Unicorn showed that, but in ZZ it was flawed depiction since the funnels were able to stop in midair, point forward, and hover without thrust, nor did they have any problems aiming and moving.

>>15601477
>>15601491

These posts make me think of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mNNA2gEF8

>>15601408
Almost like after getting the Destiny Shinn became a villain and thus destined to lose no matter what suit they gave him

The worst thing about the Strike Freedom isn't just that it can't use wings of light in the atmosphere but also it can't pivot the DRAGOONs like the Legend could.
Both it and Infinite Justice which looks rather bulky for atmospheric combat feel like they were meant for space.
Contrast this to the original Justice and Freedom as well as the Destiny and Legend which seem to be true all purpose machines.

>>15601532
Well when you fight against Freedom by forcing people to follow Destiny you kinda make yourself a villain.

>>15601536
Is it really Freedom when you force everyone to be free by fighting a war with super weapons so that everyone is left with no choice but to bow to your demands?

Demands that include putting people in your faction as leaders of two of the three major world factions?

>>15601549
Cagalli was already due to be leader regardless of the TSA's actions. Which is the second faction you're talking about?

>>15601534
Don't worry about. Morosawa just wrote it so that the SF was able to stay ahead of the Destiny's WoL despite not using its own WoL.

>>15601619
Lacus essentially rules the Plants by the end and installs leaders who agree with her.

>>15601631
Source? I don't remember that being stated at the end of the show at all. I do remember people bitching about Kira wearing a ZAFT white command uniform, though.

>>15600874
Speaking of autistic ranting about Seed Destiny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljXC861NCb4

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>>15601427
>Only after getting the Destiny.
Yes, no doubt about it. Destiny "phase" was better. Even the Core Block System was used in a clever way to fuck up Freedom. Unfortunately...

>>15601532
>Almost like after getting the Destiny Shinn became a villain and thus destined to lose...
...this happens. In general, besides some downgrade in its arsenal, the main problem with Destiny Gundam was, in essence, about plot - it was stucked as the villain (specially in the very end of the show). So we can't expect the same quality, unfortunately.

>>15601685
...Impulse phase... my bad (durr hurr).

>>15601638
At the end you see that Lacus is the new PLANT chair and Shinn got demoted back down to normal Redcoat status

This might've been in the special edition ending I forget

>>15601685

To all the people who are like "HURR KIRA WUZNT EVEN TRYING IN THIS FIGHT!!!1" you can clearly see in the bottom left picture that he was going for the cockpit before Shinn detached the torso.

>>15601698
>Shinn got demoted back down to normal Redcoat status
Shinn was always a redcoat, unless you're talking about his FAITH status, but that was somehting Durandal made up for the Destiny plan

>>15601685

He only ever does it in that one fight (that he spent like a week prepping for) though.

Even in Impulse he's all shoot and smash aside from one episode. That's just his default state.

That's also ignoring that Destiny can't even do any of that.

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As long as we can all agree that Amuro in the Hi-v would put on a goddamn clinic taking Kira in the Strike Freedom apart.

>>15601735
He also does it when fighting the EA's crab MA in the desert, and also that one fight in the Ocean.
>>15601738
The Hi-Nu with HWS is way more well rounded than the freedom.

>>15601747
>He also does it when fighting the EA's crab MA in the desert, and also that one fight in the Ocean.

All he did in those fights was get mad and stab things harder, occasionally calling in spare parts.

I guess there was that one time he dodges Auel's blast by launching the Blast pack into him and tossing his beam spear at him in counter. However that's still not at the level of the Victory Gundam style tricks he did in 34 and that's still just two instances in the whole show, vs every other fight of either rage stabbing or pew pewing.

Kira showed far more creativity with the Strike, than Shinn did in the Impulse.

>>15601756
>far more creativity with the Strike
no way man, outside the fight in the pacific where he's shooting down all the flight units the ZAFT Gundams are on and then his battle with the BuCues he doesn't do much out of the ordinary.

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Not really. If you overlay the screenshot so you can see the part it would have hit if Shinn hasn't bothered to dodge, it'd be below the cockpit. Still close, but Kira has made even closer slashes where the pilot has come out unscathed.

>>15601378
>They're not, the Freedom can't use them on earth because of dragoons
Or it could just, you know, detach the DRAGOONs or sortie without them equipped.

>>15602148
He went straight into battle after performing atmospheric drop, so I guess he would have had to launch from the Eternal without them and be reequipped with them after heading back into space.

Most mobile suits can't do shit without their hands. Not even 00-Raiser would be able to do much.

I think the issue is that the designer probably didn't expect that Destiny Gundam was going to be doing a lot of jobbing.
I mean, what if it did have more weapons, you think we wouldn't be watching it crash on the moon anyway?

>>15600742
It's a leftover unused design for Freedom Gundam. Destiny is basically an evolved Perfect Strike.

>>15602188
I'm curious as to why the freedom was chosen instead of the destiny, as the latter share more similarities to the Strike Gundam compared to the freedom

>>15602325
Because someone on the staff liked the MSV Nu Gundam and wanted to use it

>>15602325
Something like
>Proto-Freedom is early Perfect Strike
>Since its packed with weapons, they give it a 'fire all the guns' special attack
>They decide to streamline the design and improve the wings
>Get the finished Freedom that we know
Also, Freedom is essentially Super Aile Strike (with enough firepower to cover Launcher too), and Kira seemed more comfortable with Aile than the other packs.

>>15601716
If I'm not mistaken Kira has a FAITH badge at the end

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>>15603239
>>15601631
The epilogue subtitles say Lacus returns to PLANT (as a citizen) at the request of the council. Presumably it's because for the last two years, she's been away from the PLANTs. It's a sort of an official repatriation.

Kira has no FAITH symbol on his uniform.

>>15600874
He may be an autist
But he's right about the Destiny

>>15600912
>Freedom
Did we even see SF move after using DRAGOONs?

>>15603565
In what was to you believe he was right anon?

>>15603261
Why is Assram wearing an orb uniform

>>15603806
he spilled coffee on his plant uniform so he had to wear it instead.

>>15603806
Serious answer: Athrun and Mwu joined the Orb military after Destiny, along with the Archangel and its remaining crew (with the obvious exception of Kira). Kira becomes Shinn's new boss, and no-one gives a fuck about the remnants of the EA that didn't just surrender to Orb or ZAFT.

>>15600912
It was never intended to have wings of light, it was an animation error that they later retconned into a real thing.

>>15600917
SEED mode is described as completely clearing your mind and becoming hyper focused. It's basically autism mode for combat.

>>15601290
Destiny is a general purpose mobile suit. It does it's job really well but it's up against a perfect human being with multiple funnels and a suit that has beam sabers on every possible angle.

>>15601427
Shinn is criminally underrated as a pilot. He's basically a Cordinator Kou and in his first sortie he's fighting 3 druggies in equal machines and pushing them back then fighting a funnel user without taking damage. Like him or not the kid is a top tier pilot

>>15601756
Usso isn't even creative though. His battles are almost always grapples where he then sabers them or he shoots them/flies past them and they explode. The amount of innovative battling he does is very slim, it's over blown by people who never watched Destiny and saw just how bad Usso is as a pilot. He constantly takes hits and shrugs it off to take parts from else where.

Hell the AB V2 is hyped up as some uber suit and it appears on screen for 2 seconds before it's blown up.

>>15603886
>it was an animation error that they later retconned into a real thing.
This thread has so far claimed that roughly half the plot of Destiny was an animation error

>>15603893
Shinn in the Destiny just relies too much on his anger and his suit's raw power. It works against mooks and Destroys, but not skilled pilots like Kira/Athrun. I can't say he would outright win in the finale, but a focused Shinn would definitely put up a better fight than the embarrassment that was Destiny's finale.

>>15603902

Only time I recall Uso being truly creative was when he shot a beam rifle tied to a tree and when he use the various core parts to make a chain of MS so that a beam saber would reach an enemy.

Other than that, it's just literal shit flinging as he throws out parts until he's stuck in a shitty core fighter that the characters for some odd reason think is actually useful in battle.

>>15603565
>DESTINY IS THE WORST GUNDAM EVER
>recolors it
>LOOK AT HOW GREAT MY DESIGN IS

>>15603886
>SEED mode is described as completely clearing your mind and becoming hyper focused
>Shinn raging the fuck out and absolutely not having a clear mind in his final fight with Athrun
Dude was having a full on mental breakdown in that fight despite being in SEED

>>15604088
Apparently there's two version of SEED, depending on how it activates. The 'basic' version activates automatically under extreme duress/emotions, whereas the 'better' version activates at will when the person has a clear mind and strong motivation. Kira and Athrun have mastered the 'at will' version, but Shinn only gets the 'basic' version that he forces to activate by getting angry.

One of the SRW games actually made a big deal about Shinn activating SEED at will for the first time.

>>15603261
Why do they all look so damn confused?

>>15604109
They're trying to make sense of WTF just happened during the last fifteen episodes.

Athrun still wasted Savior

>>15605985
Athrun did nothing while he was officially with ZAFT in Destiny, except punch Shinn that one time. It's like his competence AND confidence are inversely proportional to his level of ZAFT allegiance.

>>15605985
MG Savior never because plebs will only remember how hard Assram jobbed whilst piloting that suit ;_;