Suffering Chart

>>15575427
Ideas:

In the 100 column should be Lecoque, Trunicht, UN woman from Fafner, Miwa, Duke Cayenne, coma kid's parents from Fafner, Euzeth, Embryo, Leonard and Dewey

High SUFFERING should include Rean Schwarzer, Renne, Ayato Kamina, Sally from Might Gaine, Usso, Sochie, Ange, Chirico

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(Arguments ensue)

>>15575566
Shotaro higher by far

Also where should Daisaku go

>>15575623
Tetsujin was a sad story, but compared to literally everyone else in that chart, Shotaro had it easy. All that happened to him was the robot that he was afraid of to begin with anyway blew up and one of his friends (that also started off as an enemy) faked his death in front of Shotaro without Shotaro finding out afterwards
Daisaku didn't suffer jack shit except for watching his father die in front of him, which makes him a standard mecha protagonist. The manga version written by Yokoyama didn't even have to endure that, he was just some upbeat kid who got captured by Big Fire and happened to gain control of Giant Robo on his way out

>>15575566
>Shinji gets told that literally no one likes him, all of his friends get killed, he becomes borderline suicidal, has a psychological breakdown, and is horrified to find himself one of the last people on Earth
>All he did was jerk off to a comatose girl (which is admittedly fucked up but not worse than trying to commit mass genocide) and not get in the EVA
>Only has a suffering level of 40 opposed to a deserving level of 100
What's the logic here, /m/?

>>15575660
No one in Evangelion actually dies since Instrumentality is a retarded copout
Every one of his mental problems are the direct result of him not opening up and asking for help because he's too scared to do fucking anything of his own accord
And compared to some of the others on that chart, his problems are small potatoes

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>>15575427

>>15575848
Best one yet

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man season Symphogear would be some fun for this

>>15575566
Shinji should be much higher on the y axis.

>>15575467
Do you hate butter or something?

>>15576061
The people above Shinji on the y-axis did things like fight a war that was ultimately pointless because of sabotage by their own allies alongside their hero dying in vain, watch all their best friends get implanted with human bombs and used as weapons against them, accidentally blow up their home planet, be forced to kill their own family members and so on. Shinji's "suffering" was mostly just him going through a psychological breakdown; he didn't have to live with anything like that.

Aren't we supposed to be putting up pics with the coordinates and if the post is dubs it gets put on the chart. That's how the /tv/ one was done

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>>15575641
>>15575566
So does this one episode of the 80s version wherein Shotaro was crying over his robot not knowing, at first, it was fake all along, and after the real one showed up, he apparently don't know how to deal with it due to it giving a negative publicity from the organization or tendency to fall into the wrong hands (correct me if I'm wrong)

So who are we putting in the corners?
Our s0d0, s100d0, s0d100, and s100d100?

>>15578535
>s0d0
Cagalli

>s100d0
Rau

>s0d100
Kira

>s100d100
Shinn

>>15576105
/a/ was comparatively civil in their discussion of what went where

>>15578556
he found a dog at the end tho

>>15578927
the dog died shortly after that

for real

>>15578545
>cagalli at s0d0
That would be Dearka
>>15575660
>>15575566
His suffering level isn't wrong, but he's definitely too on the far right extreme respect to deserving. By standard morals one deserves suffering by either karma or atonement (either you were a source of suffering for others, or you are responsible for the source of your own suffering), neither of those are proportionally true for shinji. And i don´t like Shinji at all, but being a spineless faggot doesn't mean you deserve to be tortured by forces far beyond your control, at most he should be at 30 in that scale, considering guys from 40 onwards have actually killed people on their own will.

>>15581005
Shinji killed Kaworu, who he very much did view as a person. Hell, for all intents and purposes Kaworu might as well have been human considering humans are also apparently Angels in Eva lore

And Shinji certainly was responsible for his own suffering as well as the suffering of some others (his indecisive behaviors regarding Gendo and Asuka, for example, and how he refused to fight against Unit-03 even though he probably would have done less damage to Toji than the dummy plug). Maybe he's not more deserving than Lelouch, but if he's not, it's a matter of moral luck. Given a different situation, his complete disregard for anyone's feelings (including his own), utter indecisiveness and lack of any goal in mind could have caused far more damage as compared to a guy who had a goal in mind and did his best to accomplish it with minimal casualties given what he had.

These kind of character traits are more important than the actual results of their actions in determining deservedness. I mean, you didn't argue against Sandman at all, but if anyone's disproportionately to the right of the chart, it's him. The guy is a 100% good, morally upstanding person. Thing is, he blew up a planet. By complete accident, mind you. But the scale of that fuckup was so huge that you can't help but want to say that he brought it on himself. So this is what I mean when I say that bad luck can cloud perception.

It's the age old question of a responsible truck driver that checks his engine, gets his lights working, positions his mirrors correctly, and then ran over a little girl than jumped onto the road at a bad time vs the driver who didn't check jack shit but gets to his destination without incident. We prosecute the former and ignore the latter. Is that right?

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he just wanted to put some stickers on his robot

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>>15581084
Technically his suffering wouldn't be that high because he got shot in the back with basically no warning.

>>15581159
His soul probably suffered for that, though. What an uncool way to die.

Manga version died in combat IIRC, so that one didn't suffer much

>>15575566
Half of them didn't suffer.

>>15582468
Please watch the shows they come from instead of parroting what you've heard from others