I wanted to know the origins of Aldnoah and Mars technology.

>>15535047
This show started to stink like shit the moment UroButchi stopped working on it.

>>15535047
help me out here, its been a while sinse this aired and the show fucked my head up with how dumb it all felt.

how long was it after people colonised mars this all happened? seems strange that there was a whole monarch and civilisation on mars within a few years when technology on earth seems so similar to to modern day.
they would have had to be colonising it for at least century.

also why did thry bother cutting ties with earth when mars is a baren wasteland with no natural resources necessary for humans to live?

its like, hey we moved to mars and found some alien shit! HAHAHA FUCK YOU EARTH! this is our alien shit. oh fuck i forgot we dont have any water or food.

>>15535135
>how long was it after people colonised mars this all happened?

Pretty much right away. The Emps was apparently with one of the first missions and hit jackpot right away when he touched whatever he fingerfucked. They built all those flying kill castles and the giant robots within some twenty to thirty years, from scratches while absorbing a mass of colonists.

>seems strange that there was a whole monarch and civilisation on mars within a few years when technology on earth seems so similar to to modern day.

Travel time was apparently radically shortened by the moon gate and pretty much anyone on Earth could cobble together a spaceship that could lift off, hit that gate on the moon, survive landing on mars AND land close enough to the colony to not perish.... maybe the side material makes all of this less retarded....

>also why did thry bother cutting ties with earth when mars is a baren wasteland with no natural resources necessary for humans to live?

Exposure to Aldnoha radiation makes neurotypical people absolutely retarded. The show demonstrated that clearly.

>>15535135
40 years or so

The whole world building was beyond shit with stuff like this, a world map that made no sense and mech powers where you'll always end up asking yourself "why the fuck don't they use that for civilian purposes?!".

>>15535197
>"why the fuck don't they use that for civilian purposes?!".

Aldnoah radiation.

>>15535208
>Aldnoah retardation

ftfy

>>15535193
>>15535197

clears alot of shit up, even so its retarded.
i dont remember anything about aldanoha radiation though.

it would have made alot more sense if this took place possibly 300 years after landing on mars and they used aldanoha tech to terraform the planet and they get a sense of superiority thus waging war upon the still wartorn earth to end all conflict or something.
that would make for such a better story of flawed freedom vs a dictatorship that could potentially bring peice.
and people could put their weight behind a side, sort of like zeon and the feds.

also make that mars terrorist girl the main character who ends up fighting in favor of earth and slane the antagonist of mars, two people from two worlds fighting for each other's sides.

my god it could have been a masterpiece.

>>15535348
>also make that mars terrorist girl the main character
She was hella obnoxious. She should have been shot by Inaho in that shower.

>>15535047
The Aldnoah is a psychic beacon located on Mars, which projects an astropathic beam 70,000 light years across the Milky Way Galaxy which human Navigators utilise to pilot the starships of the Vers Empire through the otherwise unnavigable chaos of space. As the beam generated is psychic it exists within the psychic universe of the Warp. The beam can be psychically sensed from almost anywhere in space and is vital for faster-than-light travel since the human Navigators use it as the only fixed reference point in the galaxy which is required for a starship to reach its intended destination when it travels through the Warp. Without it, the Empire could not survive as an interstellar society as long-range warp travel would be rendered impossible with ships restricted to only calculated jumps no more than 4-5 light years a time. During the early years of Vers before the Aldnoah existed, its functions were fulfilled by a strange science device known as a Pharos. These devices acted like a warp-beacons for the navigators to use as a reference point. It was theorised that there was probably a whole network of such devices in place across multiple human-dominated part of the galaxy, but over time, many of these devices were lost or forgotten.

>>15535355
dont talk shit about best girl.
they could have done her better though, the whole idea behind her was quite interesting until they abandoned it in favor of eggbro and his eggy escapades m

>>15535383
Where the fuck are you getting this info from.

>>15535469
He's just copy-pasting it from Warhammer 40K. That's the Astronomicon, generated by the psychic God-Emperor of Mankind. Though I will say, as dumb as 40K is, it's better than Aldnoah.

>>15535491
its dumb but its fun dumb.
not like aldanoah which is just dumb dumb.

>>15535197
Eh most powers aren't very useful for civilian purpose. They also didn't describe the limitations well.

They make great generators though.

>>15535452
She spent most of her time complaining how her father was murdered after he had been involved in terrorism, treason and murder being used to spark a new conflict after the last one killed off half the population of the planet.

>>15535535
yeah thay kind of pissed me off, i thought it would habe been more interesting of she realised the repercussions of her actions and fought to redeem herself of some shit like that, but she ended up just fucking around not doing much. she had potential to be a really interesting character.

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I'll post some Slaine just because.

>>15535544
Most characters ended up fucking around and not doing much.

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>>15535572
Wasting screentime. Like the PTSD dude who amounted to absolutely nothing. The highschoolers were the most redundant bunch and should all have been killed off in the first cour.

>>15535572
even the main character end up fucking around for the most part.
i dont think i have ever been so disinterested in a cast before, and i thought zeta was bad.

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I hated the implications of the ending. So Mars has this amazing technology which allows it to do as it pleases on Earth and the retarded peace princess shares it with Earth, forcing her subjects into life of exile and dependence.

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>>15535584
Really? It's rare for me to get invested in characters of most anime I watch.

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The uniform designs were really cool though.

The second cour really was an abortion.

>princess stuck in a tub
>cyber eye is now the main character

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>>15535614
>have cyber eye battle enhancement technology
>don't use it on mass scale when your side is losing the war
Earth were such retards.

>>15535047
ancient aliens

>>15535614
It was total shit for all but the first three episodes because UroButchi stopped working on it after that. Tumblr pushes this trash hard because it got popular with them somehow.

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>>15535699
Saazbaum episode was great.

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>>15535665
This could have gone the Gundam 00 route. What a wasted opportunity.

>>15535586
Asshime isn't smart, of this was Gundam she likely would have been called out on it.

>>15535452
Best girl was Slaine though.

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>>15535904
>if this was Gundam she likely would have been called out on it
Gundam Unicorn says hi.

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>>15535913
Unequivocally.

>>15535914
I'm saying this while thinking of Gundam series like Wing, and 00.

Even fucking Lacus was aware of Plant's problems and she was a fucking dictator.

>>15535933
Next time be more specific, okay?

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>>15535921
>Slaine was more of a princess than Asshime.

>tfw someone once pointed out to me that if you genderbent some of the characters, Slaine becomes this character who makes it impossible not to pity, Inaho kinda becomes a yandere, Asshime meanwhile becomes despicable.

>>15535946
>tfw someone once pointed out to me that if you genderbent some of the characters, Slaine becomes this character who makes it impossible not to pity, Inaho kinda becomes a yandere, Asshime meanwhile becomes despicable
Such is the power of patriarchy

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>>15535955
No, what makes Male Asshime despicable is the fact that he completely and utterly failed to protect Slaine's smile.

>>15535089
It really was hilarious how good the first three episodes were, and then how instantly complete shit it turned.

>>15536000
Those first three episodes were rife with plot holes and bullshit.

>>15535047
I want to travel back in time and prevent myslef from ever watching this piece of garbage

Lemrina's Rebellion never.

it had a sequel hook

Aldnoah's retardation extends even to its background materials https://my.mixtape.moe/ciwmnb.zip
Although I still think that it could pull a sort of reverse Muv-Luv and have a somewhat, possibly fairly, successful SoL series.

The prequel manga explores eggs past. 1000% confirmed autism.

>>15535946
No she got flack in the end regardless, she broke contact with Inaho and blamed everything on Slaine.

>>15535699
First three episodes didn't do much differently than the rest of the first season

>>15536405
No I meant it's obvious from the start that Asshime is shit, since Slaine's powerlessness is more obvious due to Slaine's gender, and because of that it also becomes obvious that Asshime is also willfully blind to the suffering of even those she claims to care for.

>>15535699
Tumblr forgot about t this shit, especially after IBO started airing.

>>15536378
Most of it extended from problems in the show, its not surprising.

It had little to no chance of not being retarded when the show was set in 2014.

>>15536381
Was there ever a doubt?

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I love Saazbaum.

>>15536488
>introduction of archetypal characters that you can tell apart by just looking
>this sets up the potential to defy their archetypal looks later for extra intrigue
>complex representation of human plight
>a large cast on both sides potentially
>wordless commentary on the need of all generations to bring about peace themselves

and most importantly
>something happens besides autistic Ender Wiggin archetype killing off haughty noble archetypes

The entirety of the first season was nothing but the autist killing off people that have absurd weaknesses. We never really even see the Earth forces functioning effectively at all, but we're not told they're completely incompetent either so why do that? The show makes almost no sense in S1 beyond the first three episodes. S2 was just someone more competent picking up the pieces, and it was better, but it lost Uro's touch and really the most interesting parts of the story because of the trainwreck S1.

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>>15538981
The /m/ hero we needed.

>>15538981
>shitpost "daily prayer for saazbaum staying alive" once a day for two months in between seasons
>he shows up in a PV
>stop shitposting
>second season starts
>he dies two episodes in

Fuck you, Aoki.

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>>15538981
>You know your show is bad when your antagonist is more compelling than your protagonist

This is becoming a running theme for the 2010s

>>15539075
I'm not going to watch IBO, and this thread is about a series that's a partial abortion anyway. Was McGillis the real good guy of IBO?

>>15539082
>Was McGillis the real good guy of IBO?
No. He was a child prostitute on a power trip. Basically, Alois Trancy gone astray.

>>15539082
>Was McGillis the real good guy of IBO?
As it turns out he really did wanted to reform his organization and create a better environment for Mars so that children wouldn't wound up getting butt raped like him its just too bad his ambition came from a fairy tail he read as a child so while noble he was incredibly delusional and was hoist with his own petard in the final battle. He turned out to be the best character in IBO and a pretty good Char clone as well.

>>15539082
Good guy is a strong word it just turns out his character was more compelling than any of the cast and his arc to be the only thing in IBO worth sitting through.

The only things I remember about Aldnoah were a few fights I liked, the ending to season one being the dumbest shit, and how me and the guy I watched it with didn't bother learning any of the character names and we just called them all by made up pseudonyms

>>15539098
>>15539106
Huh? All he wanted was consolidate power and shape Gjallarhorn to his liking. A true despot.

>>15539098
Irony is none of his enimies were against anything but his personal ambitions.

Part of what made IBO feel empty.

>>15539115
You and the rest of 4chan.

>eggs
>croutons
>sauce
>doritos
>lemons
>lieutenant jack daniels
>book
>mary and barry
>klangklang

Baneposting is the only reason anyone knew Slaine's name.

>>15535047
I will unfairly blame this show for the awful things in IBO because there just way too many similarities between the two that I will not believe that Nagai or Okada did not take inspiration from this awful show.

>>15539140
Irony enough that was the same problem with A/Z. The actual conflict was irrelevant it was all about the personal conflict between two characters.

I really liked most of Eggs' stupid fights. They were what I signed up for in the first place so I felt satisfied. If people were lucky enough to have the right expectations from the outset rather than buying into the hype it was built on they'd have enjoyed it much more.
A decent story would have been a huge bonus though.

>>15539216
You like asspull fights with boring choreography and shit visuals?

>>15539162
>because there just way too many similarities between the two
Like what? A hole in Australia?

>>15539171
They were technically enemies to begin with one didn't care for politics and the other's plotline ended with him moping until the final battle.

Not really ironic when they were the only two doing anything, just bad.

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Aoki Ei is a pervert who tortures 2D boys for money.

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>>15539233
I guess. This was one of my favorites.

>>15539233
CG was jarring, main problem I had with the choreography was it normally ended with the antagonist waiting to be killed.

I don't know why he would consider it good.

>>15539280
Did the white one do anything other then walk then stand in place?

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Reposting from /a/: https://pastebin.com/4LBT2byP

They didn't even have the courage to pair Rayet and Inaho together. It was an atrocious show.

>>15539280
>the fight that showcases everything wrong with the battles in this show

At this point you knew the staff didn't give a shit because this felt like a parody
>Hey remember all those times we showcased the "planning" and "strategy" that went in the battlrs?
>He defeats the enemy by himself in ledd than 30 seconds

>>15539307
I don't think so. Even at the end when Eggs got to him he took his hand off the controls and just smiled like a man who has been beaten.

>>15539082
McGills is essentially a /m/anchild who finally got isekai'd into a situation where he thought he could become a Gundam MC

>>15539307
No.
Honestly the only reason why Eggs ever wins is because no one does anything but stand around and wait to die

>>15538998
S2 would have been an awesome wild ride if only Asshime and Eggs stayed dead.

>>15539331
>wanting to pair anyone with Eggs
He's a character who should have been left in the grave.

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>>15539331
How many Rat/Eggs fics did writefags end up making?

>>15539969
Just the one you posted, most people had taste and wanted Rat to replace Inaho.

In fact there outside of Slaine's shippers, NTRfags, and self-inserters there wasn't much shipping with A/Z, especially with Inaho.

>>15540000
I remember one writefag writing two more.
Unrelatedly there was a story with a name like "Saucebum's Sex Dungeon" that was compiled in a Google doc.

>>15540006
So literally just one person with shit taste shipping them?

>>15540000
Don't remember Rat being popular either.

>>15539117
Oh c'mon the show spoon fed you the an entire episode if his life as a child prostitute and his loli waifu. You are confusing gaelio's theory for why he is as opposed to what he verbally told the the audience.

>>15536004
>Those first three episodes were rife with plot holes and bullshit.

The only thing I found weak in the first three episodes is the fact that the princess had a double and the show did not introduce her, but Hime appears magically in front of Inaho.

However, the first three episodes were a good introduction. Hime was also likable at the start.

>>15541302
The whole bullshit with the body double is a big plot hole that kills the series.

>Asshime
In hindsight her not giving a shit about her body double was a sign of how shitty she actually was.

>>15541302
In the first episodes she ignored her advisors, ignored what her people's problems and survived on luck.

Inthe last episodes she ignored her advisors, ignored her people's problems and everything was solved by itself.

>>15541307
>yfw the double was always Lemrina.
How mad would you be?

>>15539171
>it was all about the personal conflict between two characters
There was no conflict, really. Even Aoki said in an interview how Slaine shot Inaho in episode 12 "because he was in his way to get to the princess" and because Inaho pointed a gun at him obviously.

They made all those parallels between Inaho and Slaine but most mecha anime establish a better rivalry in 15 minutes than A/Z did in 24 episodes.

>>15543086
Well their rivalry becomes real in S2. Slane is becomes the Martian leader and Inaho the super hero Captain Earth.

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>>15543120
Not really. Slaine is busy doing his own thing, backstabbing Saaz, two timing princesses and controlling the counts. They see each other in that one fight at the start and Slaine realizes "Well fuck my aim, that guy actually survived." And the next fight they have is the final battle where Slaine doesn't even give a shit and just wants to suicide.

In between that you have Inaho watching Slaine's fight against Mary and Slaine hearing the princess watched the birds with Inaho, but I wouldn't say that focuses specifically on their rivalry because of stuff from the Slaine backstory manga. That sentence made him realize how deep he got into leading the war and how he has changed.

>>15535584
I can kind of understand this, though I liked Slaine while watching the show and participating in threads in retrospect I think I liked the things he could potentially have been rather than the character he actually ended up being(boring himetard). He was such a wet blanket compared to Saazbaum, who really should not have died. If they kept him as antagonist an kept Slaine as the lap dog S2 might have had more going on than sad boy moping around castle with cripple. I really don't understand how anyone liked the whiny vers drama now. Whole show felt like wasted potential.

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>>15543284
>boring himetard
>sad boy moping around castle with cripple
What?
His character arc is going from helpless boy to a manipulative commander, but both of those sides are still present in him and conflicted. He didn't mope around the castle in season 2, he set Saaz up, fought Mary, gathered trust from his people after destroying a few bases and proclaimed his faction to be independent from Vers.

He grew out of the himetard role when he saw how naive she was. The whole muh hime part before that was because he was fucked up from how everyone hated him since childhood and she was his only friend and only person who was nice to him.

>>15543300
He literally surrendered in the last episode because the writers remembered to have only 12 episodes.

>>15535586

Nah, her plan is a bit better than that.

She gave Earth a generator, but its still locked to her. And it provides a LOT of power.

Essentially, a large chunk of Earth's energy economy is going to become something Mars can turn off whenever they want, and will poof if the princess dies.

Thats a pretty solid peacekeeping gesture. War between Earth and Mars would HURT.

>>15544983
I don't really remember this from the anime.

>>15545127

Its an Aldnoah generator. It only turned on when she touched it.

Like all Aldnoah powersources, only the imperial family keeps it running.

>half the female cast had all my fetish outfits
Can't hate AZ

>>15543084
The body didn't double wasn't Pemrina though.

>>15543120
According to Aoki, Slaine really didn't give a shit about Inaho, and it makes sense why, Slaine always had more important things to worry about. The only one who was obsessed was Inaho.

>>15544983
They also outright say that they're going to make aldnoah activation rights, universal, in other words so anyone can activate a generator not just her. Any power she has over Earth using aldnoah is merely temporary.

>>15545367
Slaine was the only thing that made this show interesting and they dropped the ball so hard on him by the end. Fuck AZ, seriously.

>>15545406
Welcome in the era of Gary Stus and power fantasies.

>>15545406
It's because Aoki was obsessed with his "vision" so much so that he didn't even realize that the series no longer bore any resemblance to what he had first envisioned.

He honestly didn't realize that he made Asshime into a parody and an unlikable cunt, or that Inaho was really forgettable as a character.

>>15544983
>>15545169
You forget that she let the Aldnoah activation factor be researched by terran scientists. If they ever succeed and give all humans activation rights, Vers is screwed because of their lack of resources.

Also don't forget, there's still no hypergate, so even though there's peace it takes months to get any provisions to Vers and Earth is also suffering from the war and doesn't have much to give.

>>15545922
Also don't forget that Vers still has a massive disparity between rich and poor, is still corrupt as hell, and is also still running on a medieval governing.

Asshime solved nothing by ending the war.

>>15546936
>>15545922
Honestly, Martian counts and the whole Mars population have a good reason to hate her.

>>15546979
Remember that part in S1 where they show the royal bath when Slaine crash lands on Mars and it's like 30 square meters at least? I doubt she has ever seen the poverty of her people, all her character was about was peace and yearning for Earth.

>>15535047
>Expecting nips to write a sci-fi show with verisimilitude over melodramtic softcore/subtle gay erotica to impress the fujo market alongwith typical otaku service.

>>15545922

If we are being honest, Vers getting folded back into Earth is the right call anyway. It was dumb as fuck for them to try and split off in the first place.

A single unified nation between planets, combining the manpower and resources of Earth with the tech of Mars, is infinitely superior to two nations gimped in different ways fighting for scraps and cock-blocking each other as they spread out into the solar system.

The only regret is that since they blew up the fucking moon and killed a shit ton of people, integrating the two factions again now is going to be a really rough transition.

>>15547066
While I agree with you that it was stupid to separate in the first place and that humanity would have worked better that way, it's bullshit towards the people of Vers now. They've used so many resources for the war and lived in poverty (except the counts) and once they were one or two battles away from victory their princess demands peace (before even consulting with other politicians).

There's also the fact that they still haven't given up their autonomy, the anime just tells us that they signed a peace treaty which doesn't favor them, so it's possible that war will break out again or they completely give up and merge with Terrans who they hate.

>TEH ANIME TO DESTROY GUMBUMB
>gundam tried to copy A/Z with IBO
>IBO was total shit it destroyed gundam

>>15535535

That is exactly it, it had the ability to provide near limitless power to make physics bending technology possible. But however only a select few within the Vers aristocracy could actually use it properly.

>>15539140

It is easy to be convinced when Season One gave us the feeling that all Adults were horrible people who look like caricatures more than actual people with a few token sympathetic examples. When all you see is people like Haeda, Kudal and Corlis, you are convinced McGillis is right even if the future is fighting in a dog eat dog world where the only benefit is you aren't buttraped by adults.

What irritates me is that Vers obviously had capable people, most of them were initially scientists. Yet somewhere in the second generation things got fucked up, the people who the emperor gave the activation factor turned out to be total retards for the most part and abused the power of their kats to rule and live a wealthy life.

Everything probably went to shit after Asseylum's dad died and the senile emperor was the only adult left with the activation factor.

>>15547066
At this point in time it's really the counts and the royals like Asshime who want and benefit autonomy not the reguarantee citizens. If they were to attempt to integrate back Vers into a earth then Vers will likely die, because Asshime wouldn't have any power and no one would wants to live under an oppressive caste system, all the peasants would literally leave.

Also it was UFE or more specifically, Inaho's father who blew up the hypergate and destroyed a portion of the moon which he did while going rouge. If that ever came out as a problem and the truth was found they could literally just blame Inaho and his sister. Twice over really if Slaine is really more liked than Asshime among the people and if they find out about the events in episode 7.

>>15545444
The whole story and intentions of AZ seems to have been completely disrupted during its development. Like the theme... "Let Justice Be Done, Though The Heavens Fall" It makes no sense with the ending.

I do not know what kind of justice Aoki had in mind. There are so many contradictions.

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>>15547379
>Also it was UFE or more specifically, Inaho's father who blew up the hypergate and destroyed a portion of the moon which he did while going rouge. If that ever came out as a problem and the truth was found they could literally just blame Inaho and his sister. Twice over really if Slaine is really more liked than Asshime among the people and if they find out about the events in episode 7.

This was such bullshit because it never plays an actual role in the story, I also feel like it took away from Inaho's character because he was just supposed to be a normal (autistic) guy. Anyway, the whole situation at the end of the story is fucked, Slaine could have revealed Lemrina's existence to the world if he wanted to and created more conflict. The people of Vers would probably turn against Asshime in that scenario.

Aoki claims that peace was achieved and everything went right, but the more you look at it the scenario seems like a ticking bomb.
>naive little girl as the ruler of a nation suffering from poverty
>corrupt politicians on both sides
>another person with the activation factor is alive
>that person is the daugher of the emperor who escalated the war and a terran
>Slaine is alive and the story about him is obvious bullshit
>Saaz probably had likeminded people among the counts

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>>15547397
>The whole story and intentions of AZ seems to have been completely disrupted during its development.
It was. The writer was supposed to be Urobuchi and he had a general outline of the story, but he wasn't quite feeling it since he initially wanted to do a different story. He got offered to write Kamen Rider and dropped the project, so we have Aoki and Takayama who have no idea what to do.

In the original story Slaine was supposed to be more of a Char and he was the first character they finalized, but they had no idea what to do with Inaho except that he's "the little brother type". You can see in the early reference sheets that their characters were different and in the first PV which Inaho voices he sounds more cheerful and less autistic and dead.

>>15547408
It shows that Inhao's autism was an inherited trait. Besides that the problem with Inaho was that he was too normal, and therefore not at all relevant or even necessary to the very story that he was supposed to be the main character of. That's probably why they made Inaho's father be the person who fucked up the world. It was literally Aoki going "see guys, Inaho is relevant, he does have place in the story".

But all it did was show that if anyone found our the truth about Inaho, the world would despise him.

The Hate for Slane started when? Still today I did not understand how he did to gather so many haters against himself.

>>15547408
Don't forget the UFE now has custody of both Slaine and Lemrina, they really don't even really need Asshime for the activation factor.

>>15547473
Episode 12, which is stupid.

Reminder that Saaz was wounded and somehow climbed out of his mech and sneaked behind the princess in a few seconds. Slaine knew Saaz was still a danger for the princess because the first thing he does when he gets out of Tharsis is look around and say "The count..."

>>15547397
Aoki kept altering the characters but then kept insisting on keeping the ending. Which is basically why A-1 was forced to go into full damage control.

>>15547473
They hated him from about episode 3 because Inaho was so obviously a self insert character and Slaine ruined the emmersion for them be being somehow more Inaho despite not doing anything.

>>15547495

Yeah. AZ reeks of a show that had a decent setup but was put into the hands of people who had no fucking idea what they were supposed to do with it, and kept trying to figure it out as time went on instead of picking a story and sticking with it.

>>15547529
>AZ reeks of a show that had a decent setup
It was shit from the very first episode and the ideas it had were bad. This isn't a show that "started out fine and then got bad" its a fast moving train about to collide with no one to stop it.

>>15535047
>I wanted to know the origins of Aldnoah and Mars technology.

I also wanted to know about the origins of the GN Drives and Celestial Being.

Mecha series always set up a bunch of interesting things then make it about beamspam.

>>15547551

Put away your boner, dude.

AZ had a decent enough premise. Vers with its technofeudalism was cool. An aysmetrical war of a much large force against a small but much more technologically advanced enemy is cool. Landing Castles were cool. Setting up the precedent that fighting Martian Kats relied more on figuring out a puzzle and cheating like a motherfucker than just 'shoot gooder and punch harder' was cool.

There was a recipe for a good show in AZ at the start. They just didn't bake it well.

>>15547568
>AZ had a decent enough premise.
How to dismiss someone's opinion in just one sentence.

>>15547551
>>15547568
I actually liked the idea of protagonists piloting grunt mechs, and the first battle was good.

But they fucked up when they let Inaho have all the glory, the Earth side characters should have worked as a team. They wanted to make him pilot a normal mecha, yet they made him as a person super special in turn, which ruined it.

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>>15547568
>AZ had a decent enough premise.
Take every mecha anime made within the last 10 years and make it even more stupid by adding a gimmick that breaks the flow of the writing entirely.

There was a sense of smug satisfaction when /m/ was among the first communities that pointed out how fucking stupid the premise was and how it borrowed elements from much better shows to create something much worse but /a/, MAL, animesuki and reddit insisted that it was cool and given how most people pretty much want to forget the show even happened as oppose to discussing how it could have been better I feel like having foresight benefited us in the end.

>>15547579

Agreed.

What the show really needed was for Inaho to, after that first fight, almost never be in a mecha. His role is backline. Support and strategy. He should only be in a mech when the situation is so fucked that there is no one else, or if its an 'all hands on deck' sort of last stand fight.

Let sniper girl and drunk guy be the front line who do the legwork and get the kills. Inaho can be the reason they win, but he shouldn't be the one to do it personally.

>>15547590

> Take every mecha anime made within the last 10 years and make it even more stupid by adding a gimmick that breaks the flow of the writing entirely.

So its okay when Gundam tells the same story 5 times in a row with progressively worse writing, but somehow its a grand sin when some new studio takes a stab at mecha and fails?

Nice double standard, zetafag.

>>15547561
He has dismiss nothing, or are you really so stupid to think that your opinion is shared by everyone? The premises (and the budget) were there.

>>15547594
Wrong quote. It was for >>>15547577

>>15547551
Literally this, the first 3 episodes actually don't hold up to any scrutiny or by simply asking one question.

Why didn't anyone know that Asshime was using a body double, and why doesn't she have any means of contacting Crutheo or anyone from the UFE?
>>15547579
I think the problem with Inaho's character is his existence itself. He's completely unnecessary to the narrative and it doesn't help that he has zero chemistry with the cast.

>>15547594
>>15547596

He obviously fucked up use of language there, but I'm pretty sure what he meant to convey is that he was justified in dismissing that guys opinion after reading that line. Not that the person he was quoting was the one being dismissive.

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>>15547579
>I actually liked the idea of protagonists piloting grunt mechs
The problem with a premise like this is that it breaks immersion due to the the fact that its impossible to believe that the protagonists will be in any mortal threat of losing their lives so any tension that can be had is broken by that simple fact alone despite what the intention would want you to believe so you'll have a lot of instances of plot armor, contrivance and the enemy just acting stupid despite having a superior weapon which is EXACTLY what happened with this show up until they just outright stopped trying to give any sense of danger or tension to the battles at all in the second season because they realized how much they fucked up. Its the reason why people got into Attack On Titan initially because they thought it would be a no hold bar man vs monster survival show where humanity's machinations and wit would help them topple a vastly stronger threat but then it turned into something more generic and more stupid and now (in the manga) the Titans aren't even more of a threat.

>>15547613
It could work if you don't have the protagonists defeating OP enemies every episode. Make it about a group of people just trying to escape and survive, or in this case trying to escort the princess to somewhere she can contact her allies.

>>15547630
Yeah that would work but here's the problem, fighting battles is literally the inky thing that Inaho's character is good for.

>>15547630
So just make it about the characters instead of the gimmick, ya know what 0079 did.

>>15547638
Yes, but this time they don't have a strong weapon like the gundam. Maybe it would be too gritty and dark.

>>15547636
He could still be the man with the plan, only that this time instead of thinking how to defeat enemies he's thinking about surviving and escaping.

>>15547602
I was there and I remember good opinions for the first three episodes. People liked that Inaho piloted Grunt, though everyone was rather annoyed by his autism and coldness when his friend died in front of him. People were also excited for the "Rocket Launcher Hime".
Many hoped that the hime had a military training and so, the ability to pilot a mecha, So that she could be more relevant later on. Slaine was seen as an ally who would fought with them from within of the enemy.

Things did not explode in episode 12, but in 7, when Inaho and Slane had their first misunderstanding after the battle with the countess. Who fired first? Inaho? Slane?

The show always had a stupid narrative full of plot holes, but things degenerate from that point.

>>15547645
It's interesting because they stated in magazines that Urobuchi wrote the first 3 screenplays and the plot for episodes 5 and 6 was figured out. Episode 7 where the stupid drama starts is when he left.

I remember people posting photos of the script which cemented the truth about who shot first and that Asseylum was thinking of Slaine in episode 8 (I remember NTRfags shitposting about that).

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>>15547593
>B-b-b-b-b-but Gundam

We're talking about A/Z here, Gundam has its own can of worms but there's not a single entry with as much writing flubs as A/Z and that includes Destiny. As bad as a Gundam series can get at very least I can say "Hey this was a pretty good premise" or "this had a lot of good ideas" or "this started out fine" I can't apply any of this with A/Z because its just riffled with holes and inconsistencies from the very first episode it very much feels like an idea someone thought sounded cool on paper but didn't realize how bad it is until it was animated which is something that can be said about his latest wreck Re:Creators sure its a premise everyone has thought of once before but sat down and think how exactly could it be pulled off effectively just that "it'll be cool" and even then there's nothing thoroughly unique about its setting, story and characters so what exactly is there to watch or praise it for? It just feels like something people got into because everyone was doing it without actually liking it and once it was done people instantly forgot about it.

>>15547657
>even then there's nothing thoroughly unique about its setting, story and characters so what exactly is there to watch or praise it for?

What is there to praise about Gundam now, other than that it excels in squandering every microbe of potential it possesses?

>>15547613
In Urobuchi's vision, the enemies weren't supposed to be piloting super mechs, by the way. Just stronger ones. So it's a perfect case of >>15547529 they had no idea what to do with it.

>>15547657
>As bad as a Gundam series can get at very least I can say "Hey this was a pretty good premise" or "this had a lot of good ideas" or "this started out fine"

Really? Even CCA? "Char has a midlife crises and everyone around him is so fucking stupid they actually let him almost destroy the world" the movie?

>>15547663

>In Urobuchi's vision

>the 'vision' that he wrote the first three episodes of, which included a nigh-invulnerable super robot that could disintegrate solid matter just by touching it

That sounds mistaken.

>>15547670
It was changed in pre-production. The episode 1 we got is the 5th draft of his screenplay.

>>15547644
Bit then if the characters aren't fighting battles, then that means for those episodes Inaho will be doing nothing, especially because Inaho has no connection to the central narrative.

>>15547664
>Zeon.
>intelligence.

Pick one.

>>15547674

Not to cast doubt on your claim, but I'm going to need a citation for that, my good man.

>>15547645
>People liked that Inaho piloted Grunt,
About the only think anyone liked about him
>People were also excited for the "Rocket Launcher Hime".
Ah yes, I too remember the immensely stupid comments that followed after that episode. I guess those people have already eaten their words and them some
>Many hoped that the hime had a military training and so, the ability to pilot a mecha, So that she could be more relevant later on.
Don't remember much of this. A lot of people just didn't want her to be a generic peace princess but at that token didn't want her to another Lacus Clyne as hard as the writer s tried to pushed that notion. In the end the only people who cared for her were shipperfags.
>Slaine was seen as an ally who would fought with them from within of the enemy.
Nah people just wanted to fuck him or see him get fucked.

>Things did not explode in episode 12, but in 7, when Inaho and Slane had their first misunderstanding after the battle with the countess.

Even before then you had people complaining about stupid shit with one of the most constant complaints being how fucking useless the experience army men were in comparison to the protagonist group

>>15547653
The script actually said that it was at the same time, and also showed that Inaho was egging on Slaine to do it because he was jealous.

>>15547679
>fireden is down
>desu doesn't have the threads
Well fuck me.

The source is an interview from the Archivez 1 book, it should still up on sadpanda. I'll try to find the page.

>>15547681
I didn't know that, that makes me happy to hear. Were there any other things the script revealed like this? I didn't follow the threads very closely because of the tiresome shitposting.

>>15547662
>What is there to praise about Gundam now,
The fact that it continues to do new things as oppose on stagnating itself like Macross has now? IBO was shit but it had a lot of good ideas with in the hands of a better director could have been fantastic, A/Z would require a re-write on top of a new director to make it remotely good. A show with squandered potential is better than a show with none.

>>15547664
Yep. Obviously that movie is flawed as shit but its entertaining and its pretty much the only time you see Char for who he is beyond the "cool exterior" he held on to and everything up to that point.

>>15547691

>continues to do new things

The last time Gundam tried anything remotely 'new' in a mainline show was with 00, and I guess IBO if you're willing to count it.

Barring branching sub-franchises like Build Fighters, as far as 'regular' Gundam shows go, ever since Turn A the stories on offer have barely been anything to write home about.

>>15547644
>they don't have a strong weapon like the gundam
When will people realize that nobody gives a shit about whether the protagonist has a strong prototype or not? 0079 battles were still memorable despite the fact that Amuro had the RX-78-2 because that was their last line of defense to survive the conflict and by the space arc its outdated and Amuro is getting by due to his skill as a pilot. Its like how people largely don't remember anything about 08th Team beyond the Gouf fight because everything about it was meh, suddenly the gritty realistic setting doesn't look so appealing when your characters are forgettable and your plot is shit.

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>>15547680
>Nah people just wanted to fuck him or see him get fucked.

Think what you want, I keep thinking that Slane was the only decent character of the show. His misfortune was legendary.

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>>15547679
>>15547685
Ah wait, here we go, google gives me this image from Archivez 3. The part in the top left confirms it's the fifth draft.

http://blog.naver.com/bang9308/220625442914
This is for Archivez 1, just google translate the interviews from Korean and you'll find the exact page, I'm feeling lazy.

>>15547687
No that's it, besides that we had a relationship chart that showed that Asshime didn't even see Inaho as a friend. Practically every new interview about Asshime was about how she actually didn't give a shit about Inaho.

>>15547702
Oh yeah, there was that Valentine's day special that said how Asseylum has no romantic feelings towards either of the guys because she's from a different class, and Slaine was aware of it while Inaho wasn't, judging by the way he acts in the show.

>>15547695
>The last time Gundam tried anything remotely 'new' in a mainline show was with 00, and I guess IBO if you're willing to count it.
And IBO is a little under two years old and just finished two months ago so the franchise is doing new things with its 39 year old tropes and setting.

>Build Fighters
As good as that show is its nothing that the franchise hasn't dabbled in before

>>15547698

I think his point is that precisely because of the Gundam being as strong as it was, along with his own skill, Amuro was able to survive and accordingly the plot could progress.

Inaho has a dinky trainer mech with increased mobility as its one definite advantage over mass-produced models. Take away his ludicrous analytical abilities and there's much less chance for survival and progression.

>>15547700
It probably helps that he's the most attractive character in the cast. Slaine caused a lot of awkward boners from A/Z watchers.

>>15547700
Well he's the only character anyone ever talks about long after the show ended so he had some lasting impact on those who sat through it.

>>15547705
Yeah Inahofags were crying about it, and Slainefags meanwhile found that shit hilarious since they were saying from day one that Slainie didn't have any romantic feelings for Asshime.

Asshime and Inaho's relationship was all in Inaho's head, it's funny when you look back and see how she really didn't give a shit about his lectures.

>>15547698
I really liked the cast of 0079, but they did have faith in the Gundam and Amuro. Not sure about others, but halfway into the show I started seeing the Gundam as a terrifying killing machine when it started destroying dozens of Zakus without significant damage taken.

>>15547700
I liked the theme of a pure character falling more and more into despair and starting to use cruel methods.

>>15547695
GBF's story is nothing new and its just that its execution is done well and why people liked it. You can tell an engaging story with memorable characters regardless if its been done before the problem is that so many people are looking for something "different" so they wind up watching shit to compromise their fleeting interest in the genre.

>>15547714
Well Slaine was the only character who moved the story forward.

Guys, the Gundam's point is the same of super heroes. The super advanced robot that allows the young rookie to become a hero and make the difference.

The super robots have always been Japanese super heroes. Tomino, with Gundam only tried to make the thing more mitigated, but the substance is always the same.

>>15547590
/m/ is extremely negative.

I'm betting most of of the viewers were more disappointed in the protagonist not getting the girl than with the fights.

>>15547723
>didn't have any romantic feelings for Asshime
He did though, Aoki confirmed it in an interview. He just never aimed for a relationship with her because he knew the distance between them is too great and he saw her as his own personal savior.

>>15547738
We were a lot less hard on Captain Earth, M3, Argevollen and G-Reco that all came out on the same year and honestly M3 has a lot more problems than A/Z but its more fun to watch and has a better understanding of its own themes and doesn't blatantly contradict itself.

>>15547757
A/Z was very frustrating to watch. Aoki said how one of their goals was keeping the audience hooked with every episode so there was something dramatic happening all the time. It had a lot of elements for prime shitpost bait, as well as that PR guy or whoever it was starting the legendary
>SURPASS GUNDAM
meme

>>15547754
Aoki never said that in any interview, it was NTRfags who kept insisting that, but what Aoki said was that Slaine saw Asshime as a savior not a lover, he loved her but wasn't in love with her, and because of that and her position he never thought about being in a relationship with her. In other words Slaine never saw Asshime as a woman.

Only Inaho was confirmed as having a one-sided affection for Asshime.

>>15547754
Aoki compared Slaine's love for Asshime to the love that a worshipper has to a deity.

>>15547473
Haters gonna be haters. They don't need a proper reason, they will invent their own. Can you imagine there are people who hate Julietta from Gundam IBO? For what? Getting in the way of the MC? She's just doing her job.

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>>15547832
>>15547837
What about this then? It says romantic love.

>>15547843
Also, I should mention that I still agree with the rest of your posts. I just find the delusional fujos who claim Slaine is homo annoying.

>>15547840
People hate Julietta because she's an Okada self insert, with ridiculous plot armor, and who gets accolades for shit she didn't do.

>>15547840
>Can you imagine there are people who hate Julietta from Gundam IBO?
That's not surprising at all also not the same thing. Slaine was the defacto main character and was given the most amount of writing put into him and people hated him because he shot their self-insert. Juliettta was a shitty side character who didn't amount to anything and was nothing more than Okada's shitty self-insert.

>>15547850
>>15547852

>Okada self-insert

Can you clarify how that is?

Because I think a self-insert would do more than fight a bit, get her shit stomped, and then knowingly claim responsibility for something she didn't really do.

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>>15547854
She survived, got the man Okada was crushing over and will become the new president of the universe within a couple of years by doing absolutely nothing. A writer's self-insert character does not mean the same as Mary Sue, its literally a character who represents the wishes of the author and is their direct avatar meant to comment on the situation at hand. You see how they were sitting up Julietta to get an AV operation to get stronger throughout the second season but they she decides not to at the last minute?

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>>15547852
>>15547850
>>15547859
>Okada self insert

I thought it was just a meme but holy shit.

>>15547868
It's even on the Okada anime bingo, a common trope in her anime.

>>15547757
I don't know. A/Z kept people hooked with each episode and don't forget that GReco generated a lot of hate on /m/. I dropped Captain Earth cause it seemed like an awful rehash, with no originality or purpose whatsoever - I guess many people just couldn't sit through it and did the same, so they don't give a damn anymore.

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>>15547868
And her most famous one.

>>15547724
>I liked the theme of a pure character falling more and more into despair and starting to use cruel methods.
An ideal show for corruption fetishists.

>>15547875
>A/Z kept people hooked with each episode
Nah people were still riding off the Urobutcher hype long after he had left at that point it was largely due to shitposting and seeing how bad it could get. There was significantly less posting about it come S2 since most people dropped it after that horrdi season finale.
>and don't forget that GReco generated a lot of hate on /m/.
This board was one of the very few communities that actively defended it and called out people who didn't hence the "Stick to A/Z" meme originated here, I'll say it was half and half given that it was airing alongside bigger targets like GBF Try and Cross Ange.

I'm not sure why Captain Earth gets so much slack here, its a thoroughly unengaging show with a boring story and characters but people liked it solely because it was a 2D mecha anime during a time people thought that 3D was going to be more prevalent with the success of Sidonia and Blue Steel so it was seen as a "rarity" also people liked the mech designs and Hana.

>>15547724
>I liked the theme of a pure character falling more and more into despair and starting to use cruel methods.
>Cruel metods

I have not yet understood what Slane did and why it's cruel. The City bombing was made by Saazbaum. The Hime assassination has always been designed by Saazbaum. The whole war started with his intrigue.
Slaine takes command when the Earth has already magically begun to fight back and win.

The only controversial thing he does is to use Hine's persona as propaganda, but Lem is totally devoted to him, so... this Masquerade seems pointless. Slaine could used Lem from the beginning with the same results.

For the rest, Slaine is now a Mars soldier and fights for them. Thinking of stopping the war after all the deaths that the Martians have caused seems ridiculous like a "Sasuke Sorry".

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>>15547954
"Cruel" was probably the wrong word choice, as English is my second language. I agree with you, but I was referring to Slaine first trying to talk it out and ask the emperor for an armistice, and after his torture and all the terrible things that happened to him realizing he needs to take charge and end it by himself. I suppose the best way to describe it is him growing out of his naiveté and becoming more aware of how dark the world is.

I liked how even in S2 he still remained a pure-hearted character at his core (telling Harklight and the others to save themselves, being in pain about lying and killing people), while even in S1 he showed a bit of his "darker side", the after-credits scene of episode 3 caught me completely off-guard. I expected him to just give up, but he ended up mustering up the courage to kill a person for the first time.

There were other little details and hints about him that added to his character, like his habit of clutching the amulet his father gave him (in episode 24 and he grasps for it after Asseylum is shot, even though he doesn't have it on him). Or how he was the only Versian soldier wearing gloves and often drawn as adjusting them.

>>15547470
Nothing like the old sins of the father. That must be a Japanese thing.

>>15535648
>Earth were such retards
No shit, they seemed to like to give idiotic orders and ignore the only tactician who beat the Martians consistently.

>>15548532
It actually is.

>>15547738
To be fair, the Princess marrying a literally who to end the war was hilariously bad.

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>>15548576
>Hey, I just met you! And this is crazy! But here's my number. So call me maybe!

>>15548576
>the princess was hilariously bad
Fixed it for you

>>15547645
>Who fired first?
Slaine did. The retard fired when Inaho was deciding if he is a threat. Inaho anticipated the shot, dodging away firing back shooting Bat down.

We have no respect for Slaine as he is a massive fuck up that sides whoever shows him a little kindness but still betrays them nevertheless. Not using his brain at all.

>>15549920
>unironically using "we"
>he is a massive fuck up that sides whoever shows him a little kindness but still betrays them nevertheless. Not using his brain at all.
>hurr durr the anime didn't spell things out for me
Pray tell, which side did he betray? He announced to Saaz that he'd pay him back in the future, he didn't betray Earth because he was never on their side he was always on the princesses side.

>>15549920
According to the script they shot at the same time, and Inaho was also goading Slaine into shooting because he was jealous. You do realize that if Inaho followed military protocol and captured Slaine then the war would have ended in season 1?

As for betayal, Slaine was always a Martian soldier, even then he did try to end the war, but it didn't work because he wasn't a Mary Sue.

>>15547977
>I suppose the best way to describe it is him growing out of his naiveté and becoming more aware of how dark the world is.

At that point, he had suffered like... a decaded of abuse at the hands of random martian nobles already.

>>15549988
To be fair, the only thing he learned out of his abuse is that people hate him, not necessarily that they're willing to fuck their own faction over and betray their "allies". Maybe I should have rather said that he lost hope in other people.

>>15549957
He did eventually turn against the princess because she was retarded.

>>15550006
I perceived that as
>I know better than you, so just stay here and don't interfere with my plans
rather than betrayal

>>15550011
Actually yes, Slaine could tell the princess the truth and so that Mars was a mess. It's also true that Slane's original plan was to take power from the nobility of which Hime was part. If she knew ... she would do as much as possible to be in the forefront of political affairs.

She would never agree to become a normal girl.

>>15550018
I agree with you but
>Slaine could tell the princess the truth and so that Mars was a mess
Kinda hard to handle it when you have a mentally 15 year old girl coming out of a coma and demanding peace right now. They fucked her character up, you'd expect somebody to sit her down and show her the state of her own nation before sending her to do peace negotiations.

>>15550011
It was a power grab which in their positions was a betrayal.

Arguably she spent the whole time betraying Vers anyways

>>15550018
And that's exactly the problem her and her family are causing too much trouble, and the nobles that she's a part of are corrupt.

Asshime is pretty much just like Marie Antoinette.

>>15550022
How do we know she didn't know Vers was a mess?

Also it was a horrible time to negotiate.

>>15550022
Thing about it is that it could work if they simply just gave her the illusion that she got what she wanted only for the peace to be short-lived, because of the problems that she never cared to learn about.

>>15550028
Because she never once talks about Vers,she only ever speaks of Earth. It also doesn't help that the loyalists who follow her also don't give a shit about Vers. Asshime was raised by this faction.

The only group that gave a shit about Vers citizens was Saazbaum's group.

>>15550028
It's been ages since I watched the anime, but she barely talks about the poverty of her people and more about the beauty of Earth, how Terrans aren't lesser than Versians and how the war is terrible. The side materials make it seem like she grew up very sheltered and some of her actions make her seem oblivious.

>>15550031
I can agree with this, especially since they established that there are corrupt politicians from both sides. The ending seems more like a sequel hook in some aspects.

>>15550035
Most of the loyalist we saw wanted the war.

Book and Cruton wanted the war, but were also incompetent.

Cruton jr. just hated Slaine and had no opinion expressed.

>>15550031
>but she barely talks about the poverty

She doesn't speak at all about that. She's convinced that life on Mars is, more or less, like the one in her colony.

>>15550039
It feel like a sequel hook, Vers ruling class is still filled with unrepentant beaugeoris racists. The people of Vers are still starving, Mars is still dying. Meanwhile UFE knows the truth about everything and now have Aldnoah as well as both Slaine and Lemrina. Also they're researching Aldnoah so they won't need Asshime anymore, not that they really need her now, since they have Lemrina.

And Asshime is none the wiser about ask of this.

It's a house of cards.

>>15550052
Did you quote the wrong person?

>>15550053
There's also stuff from the side like Aoki confirming Slaine's mother is still alive, Harklight's death never confirmed, the whole "the bird with wet wings will one day fly again" from 24.5, and Aoki even saying he'd be interested in doing a sequel on several occasions. And the whole truth about Inaho's dad could be a good plotpoint, as well as Asseylum discovering more about her father.

Wait, how did she even react to Lemrina being her half sister? Now that I think about it, that was completely brushed over.

>>15550053
I really need to rewatch it, but who was it that prevented Slaine from claiming victory over Earth? He was so close.

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>>15550041
>Cruton jr. just hated Slaine and had no opinion expressed.

Oh right, about this faggot. He joined the story pretty late, he has absolutely no idea how things are going and the supreme pearl..

>I know my dad was quite severe.

No, you do not know.. Your dad was a violent asshole like every Mars nobles on this fucking rock. In fact, it's surprising that you, magically, are the good light-hearted prince Charming. Very convenient.

>>15550066
It was Asshime's marriage announcement and demand for peace. After that, some counts turn against Slaine and call him a "terran dog" because they were just waiting for a reason to turn against him and others are conflicted on what to do. Meanwhile, UFE is attacking the Moon base full force and Slaine only has the forces in the Moon base left.

Lemrina walks up to Slaine and tells him how "his dream" is still achievable, he still has her, somebody with the activation factor. However, if he reveals her existence to the world everything will be a clusterfuck. So either he let's Asshime be happy and have her peace, or he leads the war on and causes more deaths.

>>15550061
Don't forget the UFE also knows that Asshime lied about Slaine.

I could see how a sequel would go down too.
>Universal rights have been achieved
>no one has any reason to listen to Asshime anymore.
>Terrans are now aware that Versian citizens are living shitty lives as a result of Asshime not giving a shit about them. Versian lower class gets sympathy from Terrans.
>UFE decides to get rid of Vers and reveals the truth to anger both Terrans and the Martian lower class.
>UFE offers to take in Vers citizens
>mass immigration starts and Asshime is losing her influence.
>the counts decide to use this as an excuse to attack Earth.

>>15550083
It would be nice if
>UFE has kept parts of the Tharsis and are experimenting on it

>>15550086
They have all the abandoned Landing castles and kats that the defeated counts were using.

>>15550096
Ah yes, now that you mention it, shit writing strikes yet again.

>>15550083
The problem is that Aoki sides with the princess ideas, so any sequel can only be another retarded story of the good princess who wants peace for Earth against some who oppose her because they ugly and evil.

With someone full "aware" at the script, they could throw out something good, but I doubt it.

>>15550105
Considering how even Nips have pointed out the stupidity of Asshime's "peace", I doubt that Aoki would get the financial backing to make a sequel, unless he becomes less of a himefag.

>>15550128
He said in an interview how he's working on 3 unannounced anime projects, one turned out to be Re:Creators, the second is apparently Idolish7 and the last one is yet unknown. Aldnoah wasn't a flop for them, because he was approached for several new projects and they got to expand the studio, I still hope a sequel will never happen.

A better ending for Slaine would be nice, but a sequel would end up doing the opposite of the reasonable thing >>15550083 and would be even shittier than what there is now.

>>15550083
UFE has its own problems its governing ability is on par with Vers it first used kataphrakts against its own civilians, held back combat data and shows more focus on military than repairing damage.

Its a government that needs an enemy its not all that different from Vers.

>>15550096
None of those were operational.

A lot of the Kats were blown up or had a deactivated drive which they couldn't reverse engineer. they had the deucalion for 15 years, but only managed to make an inoperable battleship out of it.

Not that it matters of the research was successful.

>>15547424
All these feelings in the proto concept.
They were really lazy with final Inaho.

>>15550161
Aoki doesn't own A/Z and neither does Troyca. AZ is owned by A-1 and and plex, despite Aoki working on it and treating it like his baby it was a commissioned work. AZ is a flop for A-1, because they intended for it to do better than Gundam, but it didn't, and even worse it actually pissed off people with its ending. It did okay, but not add good as A-1 needed it to.

>>15551121
>UFE has its own problems its governing ability
Not really what really gave the UFE power was the aftermath of Heaven's fall.

It was actually the UFE who rebuilt society after the aftermath, and no they didn't just focus on building up their military might, in reality they only built up their military because they knew that the war wasn't over. Their main focus was on keeping the peace.

In reality they're very different from Vers, UFE may have been formed to deal with Vers but after Heaven's Fall, UFE grew past that, however Vers did not, because remember Heaven's Fall did a number on the cultural identity of most of Earth.

>None of those were operational.
Actually they are especially the landing castles, the only thing that happened to them is that their owners died so the system is off, but they're still operational, they only need to be activated, similarly many of the suits they need to be repaired but again.

>>15551373
There were no signs UFE grew past heaven's fall.

They had no way of activating them.

Sadly this was my first mech anime. I defended this piece of shit almost till the very end. . . but that ntr and ending.

Aldnoah. . . the one thing I regret

>>15551504
>no evidence that the UFE moved padded that
Anon, the UFE is the only reason why the Earth even still has a government, the previous governments all fell apart after the event and the world was in chaos. The ones who stepped in to create order in that chaos is the UFE. They then also became the defecto government for Earth. UFE was originally formed to deal with Vers, but then they grew past that and became the government. Also remember UFE doesn't need Vers to keep the peace, Earth is self sufficient, the people aren't wanting, and because of Heaven's Fall wiping out most of the population there isn't much in the way of cultural differences to get in the way either. Effectively they're like UNSpacey.

>They had no way of activating them.
Did you miss you miss the part in the end that said that the UFE was researching universal aldnoah rights, or the fact that they have both Slaine and Lemrina aka people who can activate the drives in their custody.

Sorry, the only ones who are at an disadvantage are Vers and Asshime.

You know when I think of Aldnoah Zero the biggest problem can be traced back to two scenes. There's a moment when Slaine is explaining to the princess why the Earth is blue. He gets it wrong of course. Later Inaho, actually tells her why the Earth's sky is blue. That is basically saying that Slaine is wrong and Inaho is right, that is their whole rivalry.

So you know what, it doesn't even matter how much you may sympathize with Slaine hes still wrong. Does Slaine have some kind of different perspective? Nope, hes just wrong. Even when the princess asks Inaho about war he responds by saying its a form of negotiation - okay - Slaine responds to the same question by saying that it was inevitable since Mars split with Earth. Are they even asking the same question? It doesn't matter cause Slaine is wrong.

That's my biggest gripe with Inaho, being right isn't a character trait. Its not a perspective its an answer to a problem. What should have been his character trait was an extreme autistic tendency for pure logic. So much so that he fails to connect with others. This would've lent far more interest to Inaho's cybernetic sub-plot. How does a man who doesn't value his humanity preserve that humanity, instead of giving it all to a machine? That would've been way more interesting.

Slaine should have been more charismatic and poetic as an individual. He spent so many years entertaining the princess with his words. Slaine should have been a revolutionary leader, uplifting all those who've had their faces press to the dirt beneath the aristocracy. Why? Because he understands those feelings - hes been there. Using the research of his father his faction should've been able to give the power of Aldnoah to everyone. This would be a real reason why the other nobles would feel threaten by him, he undermines their authority.

(Con't)

>>15550082
The princess ruined FUCKING EVERYTHING. Seriously, her surviving was a calamity. Or at least Slaine should have guarded her better.

>After that, some counts turn against Slaine and call him a "terran dog" because they were just waiting for a reason to turn against him
I understand that Mars has some retarded 'muh royal blood!' monarchyfags, but as for the rest - nobody would be braindead and suicidal enough to endorse peace talks when your side is winning the war?

>>15551673
Their rivalry should have been charisma and sophistry vs logic and practicality. Slaine should have been an enigma to Inaho. He shouldn't have been able to understand Slaine's perspective. Slaine is trying to uplift a people that have been oppressed by the aristocracy. The princess should have been his spark to rise and crush the upper classes. Feelings versus logic, why would someone threaten the stability of their country to uplift the masses? Is Slaine some power hungry individual bent on seizing power by any means? This should have been Inaho's and Slaine's conflict.

It would have so much cooler if Slaine's faction had developed weapon systems more reflective of combined arms. Literally an army of grunts that carried superweapons instead of a single overpowered mech. Similar to the UFE except those grunts should have been carrying dimensional great shields, anti-air lighting rods, and stealth infiltrators. It could have been so much more.

The final battle should have been Slaine collapsing to the pressure. On one hand his love for the princess on the other being the fact he's destroying her place in the monarchy. Whether he still valued the plight of the oppressed over his love for her, whether such things where example of his immaturity. The final battle should have seen Inaho prepping a massive army to crush Slaine all the while Slaine was prepping his forces for evacuation under the guise of a single massive offensive, only to reveal that he was following the princess wish for him to stop the war. Whilist secretly transmitting his crimes against the aristocracy (killing nobles, initiating the war) - destroying his legacy as a revolutionary. Which should have left him in a single overpowered mech against an army by himself. A single mad suicide attempt.

That should have been what happened, Slaine should have gone down as a flawed tragic figure unable to rise above his inferiority and his love for someone greater than his station in life.

>>15551751
I think the problem with such a plot is this, Slaine has alone, but he isn't, he'd have people who will stand by his side till the end. Not only that but giving Slaine the technological advantage and the morale, and intelligence to back it up and it becomes a question of why the UFE and also Inaho are even a player in this game. Because logic and intelligence won't help you survive when you are outmatched in all areas. It would actually make more sense for the UFE to have been defeated in the time skip, and for Inaho to be dead.

Because of the situation being so much in Slaine's favor it also makes sense for him to actually win, but to still lose a a part of himself, because at the end of the day the person he wanted to help was the summation of everything that is wrong with Versian society. There was simply no place for someone like Asshime in the society that he wanted to create, ironically for her, and she has no intention of being a normal girl.

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>>15540508
>>15540006
>>15540000
Rayet was popular with hetfags, as well as that other girl. But the story took a nosedive and people stopped caring.

>>15551810
>Not only that but giving Slaine the technological advantage and the morale, and intelligence
>intelligence

I agree with you. Especially about the part about Asshime. I love the irony of it and in a better narrative would make for a more compelling story. However the only problem with Slaine was that I never once felt that he was the cold manipulator and the schemer. I always felt he was an underdog. Fairly kind and innocent individual who's only desire in life was the affection of Asshime.

So when the 2nd season started I was a bit jarred. I mean it never seamed in his character to do so, or even have the ability to rise the status of count. He seam more of man who mainly saw in front of himself instead of the grander scope of things. A boy instead of a man. Still I was impressed. Even though the show setup Slaine to be "wrong" when I compared him to Inaho I couldn't help to think that, well Slaine is doing it. He managed to make it to the top. Even if it seemed at times he was thrust into that position.

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>>15551856
Slaine may not be a walking encyclopedia whose constantly glued to wikipedia, and randomly quoting books because he has no worldly knowledge to base his works off of, but he is intelligent. To me Inaho doesn't really come across as intelligent, rather he's an idiot savant, he's really good at researching information and has great memory but he's lacking in everything else. The fact that Inaho at times tries to show off his intelligence by directly quoting someone else rather using his own words shows a lack of understanding on his end. In other words Slaine is both book and street smart and Inaho is only book smart. If Slaine wanted to find out everything that Inaho knows, he merely has to read a science article on wikipedia, while Inaho could never do to the same to gain Sliane's knowledge.

The problem is that Slaine isn't a cold manipulator or schemer, even when he was "scheming" and "manipulating" he pretty much him pointing out the obvious, and he did mean what he said. He never crossed the line. Slaine as a character would just make a lot more sense if Saazbaum stayed alive through out and for Saazbaum to do the scheming and manipulating and for Slaine to use his natural charisma to help him, because he knows that ultimately Saazbaum is helping people.

I think that the real problem with season 2 was the UFE still being around and Inaho even alive, because they really didn't have a place.

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>>15551673
You present some good ideas, but they also have their weaknesses. In any case, the main thing I disagee with is
>There's a moment when Slaine is explaining to the princess why the Earth is blue. He gets it wrong of course. Later Inaho, actually tells her why the Earth's sky is blue. That is basically saying that Slaine is wrong and Inaho is right, that is their whole rivalry.
If you were asked that question, would you answer with Rayleigh scattering? No, you'd probably google it, unless you recently read about it, work in a field where you learned about it or had to learn it for an exam or project. Slaine just has a basic education and many people would answer something about "light breaking" if they were asked to bullshit about it on the spot.

He gives Asseylum a wobbly answer and doesn't straight up say "I don't know." Why? He wants to make her happy and he probably thinks that question will never have relevance in the future, so why not lie a little bit? Asseylum is his only ally on Vers and he's acting as her "teacher", if he turns out to be useless Cruhteo will be more cruel to him so he wants to make himself look better.

Moving onto the next point is THE FUCKING STUPIDITY OF THAT QUESTION.
It presents everything that's wrong with the plot. Why didn't Vers have their own information network that's easily accessible in the landing castles? Why aren't all the books and knowledge they brought from Earth recorded there? In Urobuchi's script of episode 1, Slaine and Asseylum are sitting at a table and looking at books in that first scene so you could blame him for not looking it up, but in the anime there is nothing.

>>15552197
I agree with your point. I don't mean it from a contextual point of view but the relevance from a narrative point of view. So from our perspective as a viewer, Slain just comes off as being wrong while Inaho comes off as being right.

>>15539143
Only good thing that came of a.z.

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>>15551856
>However the only problem with Slaine was that I never once felt that he was the cold manipulator and the schemer. I always felt he was an underdog. Fairly kind and innocent individual who's only desire in life was the affection of Asshime.
I wouldn't describe him as a cold manipulator and schemer, but I don't like when fans push that innocent image of him. He is a boy who believes that the ends justify the means and is willing to get his hands dirty. The scene in episode 3 is set up so you think
>oh, it's just powerless, weak Slaine, he'll let Trillram do what he wants and will depend on somebody else for help
but then he straight up takes his gun and shoots him so nobody on Vers except him knows that the princess is alive.

I'd also disagree with his only desire was the affection of Asshime, if that was the case he would have went full berserk in the ending. She saved his life and was his "benefactor" on Vers, in a surrounding where everyone hated him that left a mark on him and made him think of her as a messiah, he thought saving her would bring him peace. In the end, he was too blinded by pain and hatred to see Saaz as his powerful ally and couldn't forgive him. And just when he started to move on from Asshime she wakes up.

It would have been nice if Inaho and Ass died, we had a bigger time skip, Rayet and Inko took the main role at UFE side and Slaine became a leader with Saaz as his mentor.

>>15551960
More like Captain Garbage

>>15552259
>but I don't like when fans push that innocent image of him
Perhaps not, but he didn't start with his hands dirty he grew into that role. The way I look at it is that he was willing to dirty his hands to protect the things he cared for. But I wouldn't say he was bad guy though. Foolish and naive perhaps but far from malevolent.

>but then he straight up takes his gun and shoots him so nobody on Vers except him knows that the princess is alive.
I remember that scene, Slaine seemed panicked and frightened - he was shaking a lot. The reason he never says anything to anyone is cause he didn't know who else betray the princess. It wasn't a bad idea to speak with the king, he couldn't have known that he was being manipulated and was growing senile.

But that's the thing though, in the first season Trillram mocked slain for being unable to shoot down enemy fighter jets and even during the final episodes he doges past enemies mechs so that he can get to the princess. He only ever shoots someone when hes pushed to the limit. He only ever REACTS to problems. When Trillram arrogantly revealed himself to be a traitor, he didn't realize how deeply Slaine cared for Asshime. Same thing happened in the second season.

That's why -to me- in the first season he never came off as person who was in command of themselves. Slaine only gets pushed around and reacts accordingly.

Does /m/ agree with me in the fact that Slaine did nothing wrong?

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>>15552472
Y'know, usually I'd say yes, but he has too many overly defensive and delusional fans and that makes me feel sad.

He didn't deserve any of his suffering and his amount of bad luck was almost comical, but the decision to kill Saazbaum was what eventually led to his downfall. Things spiraled out of control and he didn't have enough power on his side to counterbalance it.

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>>15552472
He killed Saazbaum.

>>15535047
I wanted the show to not suck ass. We can't always get what we want, OP. Seriously, who thought anyone would ever want an autistic Gary Stu MC?

>>15552488
I should rephrase this:
>but he has too many overly defensive and delusional fans and that makes me feel sad.
It's not that my opinion is affected by other people, but rather that I dislike how some people fanatically defend him. Saying that he did nothing wrong takes away from his character, he has made bad decisions and had his flaws.

>>15552472
He killed Saazbaum, and he refused to move on from Asshime, she is his biggest failing in life and if Slaine ever moved on from her, he'd be better off. Asshime is poison and Slaine shouldn't have acted in service of this selfish little girl.

>>15552525
>>15552620
Killing Saaz was all but a mistake.

Saaz was an extremely ambiguous person. He was everything, except trustworthy. I have no doubt that if he had been alive and had seen the indecision of Slaine after the Princess awakening, he would not hesitate for a moment to eliminate both, as he did with Crutheo.

Remember that Saazabaum also acted as revenge and trusting someone who is also fed by deep grief is not very wise. And last...i believe that the absence of Saaz would have made it easier for Slaine to handle the negotiations with the Earth more softly, after a hypothetical victory. Saazabaum would strip the Earth of all its resources..


Slaine's mistake was not to kill Saaz, but his never-ending indecision. At the end... he simply give up when he had all the cards in his hand to counter the princess.
He did not believe enough in his cause and he did not have the determination to go all the way.

I really liked Slane as a character, but sadly, he was a faggot. In another dimension, he succeeds in his revolutionand and dominate space with Lemrina, while Hime and Inaho live on earth as common people.

>>15552686
>Saaz was an extremely ambiguous person. He was everything, except trustworthy. I have no doubt that if he had been alive and had seen the indecision of Slaine after the Princess awakening, he would not hesitate for a moment to eliminate both, as he did with Crutheo.
No, he would have staged Asseylum's death, but he wouldn't kill Slaine. He saw Slaine as his successor and was genuinely proud of him.

Slaine killed Saazbaum because he saw a rare opportunity to kill him with the trap he initially set for Inaho. He killed him because he knew Saazbaum would always be a danger to Asseylum and since he was now legally his son, Saaz's death meant Slaine raising up in rank and getting more power. He took the chance, gambled, but ultimately lost because Saazbaum's death made the loyalists too suspicious towards him.

>Slaine's mistake was not to kill Saaz, but his never-ending indecision. At the end... he simply give up when he had all the cards in his hand to counter the princess.
>He did not believe enough in his cause and he did not have the determination to go all the way.
When Asseylum asks for peace and the counts start joining her, he decided that letting Asseylum have her peace is a better option than revealing the truth about Lemrina and creating a third faction, ultimately causing more deaths and war. I don't think it's his fault that the peace Asseylum agreed to had such pathetic terms for Vers, but he cared too much about her to overthrow her and ruin her.

>>15552686
When people say that Slaine kiling Saazbaum was a mistake they don't mean that Slaine would have been better off if Saazbaum stayed alive.

Also I think that you're forgetting something very important, Saazbaum is that he genuinely loved Slaine and thought of him as his son. If Saazbaum didn't love Slaine then he wouldn't have let down his guard around him, and he wouldn't have adopted him. Remember Saazbaum knew from day one that Slaine was loyal to Asshime and had ample time to kill him, but he didn't. Likely if he stayed alive and noticed that Slaine was still wibbling over Asshime, he'd likely force Slaine to do things to take his mind off of Asshime and let him know that there is more to life and people who think of Slaine as valuable and care about him way more than than she ever did or ever will.

On top of that Slaine would constantly be bombarded with the fact that her and the loyalists are basically the cause of all the problems in Vers, and worse that Asshime is unsuited for being empress, which Slaine already realized.

Instead of getting ready to move on, when Asshime woke up, Slaine would have already moved on, and so wouldn't have treated her with kiddie gloves, and that's assuming that Saazbaum wouldn't have killed her.

> And last...i believe that the absence of Saaz would have made it easier for Slaine to handle the negotiations with the Earth more softly, after a hypothetical victory. Saazabaum would strip the Earth of all its resources..
Yeah, because the UFE really wanted to negotiate right? Putting aside the fact that Saazbaum was overcoming his hatred for Terrans, due to Slaine's influence. In fact Saazbaum despite claiming that he wanted to strip Earth of its resources ended up doing the opposite, and just ended up creating a colony composed of Versian citizens and Terrans, ultimately he just moved the Versians to greener pastures, and setting up a government that wasn't based on a caste system.

>>15552686
>Slaine's mistake was not to kill Saaz, but his never-ending indecision. At the end... he simply give up when he had all the cards in his hand to counter the princess.
>He did not believe enough in his cause and he did not have the determination to go all the way.
That's not Saazbaum's or Slaine's fault, Asshime is simply just an idiot who knows nothing of her own kingdom. Vers never had anything to trade from the start they were just relying on handouts before.

>>15552721
>Yeah, because the UFE really wanted to negotiate right?
>after an hypothetical victory.
>after an hypothetical victory.
>after an hypothetical victory.

If Slane had won, it would not have mattered the UFE opinion.

>>15552764
When you win a war and succeed in conquering a country there is no negotiation.

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>>15552601
Execs in Japan. Look at Mahouka and SAO - it's hot shit.

>>15552525

>>15550128
Did they really express such criticisms? I can't read they runes, so I have no idea what they are thinking.

>>15552813
They did, to the point that A-1 had to go into full damage control mode and release that audio drama to try to make things seem better. But it's not uncommon to see Nips point out the stupidity of Asshime's decision.

To the point where there is an entire web novel called Tulip which is just about the characters feeling sorry for what happened to Slaine and also the Terran realizing that Asshime is uncaring bitch, and starting to resent her for it.

https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=52801289
http://fanworksofroi.lofter.com/post/1cacfe97_67dfdca

>>15552813
It's best to take such claims with a grain of salt, I remember the Aldnoah threads having a lot of misconceptions and miscommunication.

I didn't see them criticizing the peace specifically, but after episode 23 the hate for her was strong. I never really read 2ch or blogs, but I read one blog post that bemoaned how butchered her character was and said
>where did the hime from the first 3 episodes go?
there was still a huge bouquet of flowers "for Slaine and Asseylum" at the extra day event.

>>15552962
It's a chinese web novel, not a nip one. And bringing fanfiction into discussion is sort of distasteful. The hilarious thing is that the person who illustrated it is a huge SlainexAsseylum shipperfag.

>>15552965
>there was still a huge bouquet of flowers "for Slaine and Asseylum" at the extra day event.
That bouquet was provided by A-1 though wasn't it?

>>15552968
You mean ironic because the novel is basically about how she's too stupidly in over her head and made bad decisions one after the other.

>>15552965
>It's best to take such claims with a grain of salt, I remember the Aldnoah threads having a lot of misconceptions and miscommunication.
English threads did, not necessarily Nip threads.

> I never really read 2ch or blogs
Then how can you claim
>I didn't see them criticizing the peace specifically,

>>15552970
Yeah, I always wondered about that. I'm looking it up right now.
https://togetter.com/li/837680

>>15552972
That's exactly why I'm calling it hilarious?

>>15552975
Yes, the first part referred to English threads, there was a lot of falseflagging and mistranslations. For example, a person in this thread how Slaine didn't shoot first yet I found yesterday on Aoki's twitter the confirmation that he shot first, and I found the excerpt from the script which I'll post in a bit.

As for the second part, I should have specified that I didn't follow it live, I only followed twitter. I did read a few blog entries later and fans were more concerned about Slaine's fate than their hatred for Asseylum, but that's just what I've seen. As for twitter, it's not a platform for serious discussion anyway because of the short format, but I remember people bombarding Aoki with questions after the last episode. He was still somehow a himefag and his contribute illustration for the Extra Day book was chibi hime with birds.

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>>15552977
Also I should note, that's just what I saw and I didn't see enough, so feel free to ignore my opinion. I remember her getting tons of hate and getting called sluthime.

Here is that script and Aoki's tweet:
https://twitter.com/ei_aoki/status/558969406609686528
But it's kind of confusing me why he also mentions "at the same time" and why he randomly replied to that fan.

>>15552977
I remember a lot of Nips criticizing her on twitter 2ch I think had an increase in hate threads for her. I remember it becoming a habit of removing her from happy group pictures.

Here's my thing though, if people were really satisfied with the ending then why would they be so mad at Asshime?

>>15552981
He says that they shot each almost at the same time.

Honestly I think was just massively out of touch.

>>15552989
>Here's my thing though, if people were really satisfied with the ending then why would they be so mad at Asshime?
They weren't satisfied at all. I think I misunderstood anon's post above, I wanted to say how they didn't address the peace treaty specifically, but they were more mad about the whole ending in general. I just read 2ch and futaba thread summaries on some blogs and sites that collect those, and of course they didn't have any deeper discussion but just the funny posts.

>>15552993
Yeah, that's why I find stupid.
>They shot at the same time, but Slaine shot first
What's the point? I found many of his claims really backwards, he redefined what the Zero in the title means like 3 times in interviews. I honestly have no idea what he was doing, they also ignored the "Slaine shot first" thing in the guidebook.

>>15553001
I think what he meant was that it, doesn't really matter who shot first, because it was so close in time that it doesn't make a difference. Even if Slaine didn't shoot, Inaho would have shot.

>>15553002
I guess so, Slaine was the one with quicker reflexes and the sky carrier has more advanced weaponry.

>>15553004
Yeah and you have to remember that there are stupid people out there who think that if Slaine didn't shoot, then Inaho wouldn't have shot at him, but Aoki is effectively saying that it doesn't matter.

>>15553008
Real question is how did Slaine miss

>>15553085
Inaho's survived his double tapping, so... I blame it on bad luck of monstrous proportions.

>>15552962
>audio drama
Is there any translation for this?

>>15553148
>audio drama
I think they meant the mahou shoujo asseylum drama cd, there are only raws of it.

There's also 24.5, a stage play from the event which has been fully translated

>>15553148
Inaho's survived even at the eye curse. It seemed to be a serious thing ... instead it was fucking nothing.

>>15553196
Inaho is a cyborg -at least they could have gone with this explanation and his character wouldn't be as ridiculous.

>>15554001
He was in the second season.

Actually it partially cured his autism, his robotic eye was able to handle social cues better than he was.

Mods, stop the Zeta spammer.

Who fucking cares about this shit. Slaine should have shot himself after getting everyone else killed and ended this awful series in the first season. Then he might have accomplished something good for once in this story.

>>15555869
And yet you cared enough to type that post out

>>15556278
/m/ is petty.

If anyone says something positive about something they don't like they are wrong.

If anyone says something they don't agree with they are wrong and stupid.

If there is a show that they don't like they have to create a few dozen threads about it to piss people off.

>>15556700
This is true for everything here, but I admit... I love AZ threads in particular. The show is at Seed Destiny tier for contradictions and absurdities.

They are always a hoot.

>>15556829
Its not hard to find absurdities in a mecha show they all have a ton of them.

Those two have a lot in the setting but even more in the characters and action sequences that could of been easily subverted.

>>15535047
It's /m/agic

>>15557261
All mecha anime ask their viewer to suspend their disbelief so that they can accept the world the staff is trying to depict. The real test is whether or not the staff can keep up that suspension through internal consistency and decent story telling.

That's where AZ fails.

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>>15556700
Except most people agree that A/Z was terrible and by in large nobody, even the people who liked it initially, even remembers it. Its pretty much followed the same fate of Aniplex original properties like Valvrave in which the people who still talk about it can't move on which is just sad.

>>15556829
...this isn't the same as GSD threads. Those threads acknowledge what went wrong with GSD, what could be fixed and how much Fukuda fucked up because the CE timeline was very intricate about how everything worked so its easy to dissect here but what we have here is Slainefags crying and posting old ass irrelevant shit and everyone pretty much agreeing that the show was bad from the get go, there really isn't much to discuss since the people behind this dreck didn't care about the setting or characters to leave a lasting impression. In fact this is the first A/Z I've seen an over a year which means that all the Slainefags from /a/ finally got kicked out of the Re:Creators threads since people finally got fed up with them bringing up A/Z.

>>15559434
>that whole last part
I think you are heavily biased, if you look at the thread there are several posts discussing what went wrong and where the show failed.
>muh slainefags
Except people didn't go full "Slaine did nothing wrong" this thread and nobody was bringing A/Z up in RC threads except that one fafner fanboy that hates aniplex, but that was over a month ago.

>>15559434
Anon if anything it whose still obsessed with Slaine and Slainefags is you. Because the only one whining here is you.

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>>15536381
How autistic was eggs as a child?

>>15559700
Very autistic, and apparently in the past the kids were aware of the fact that he was autistic and found his robotic behavior to be creepy as fuck and then bullied him because of it, but then Inaho broke their arms in revenge. Which got him and his sister kicked out of the orphanage.

>>15559383
It did, I was thinking more along the lines of enjoyment, which isn't unrelated.

I think once the bias towards a show comes to a certain point instead of trying to rationalize things happening in the show, the focus goes to finding flaws.

>>15559434
The point was that even if something is terrible, it could have something of merit in it and the statement wasn't just about AZ.

>>15560421
Nah, AZ failed to keep up the suspension when they insisted on having Inaho alone being the one to always be the one to save the day through the use of science articles from Wikipedia while acting like a robot that everyone wants to fuck for some reason, and Asshime's refusal to die which was almost a parody of itself. Between the antics is those two suspension was lost.

>>15560566
Asshime's wounds didn't even look that fatal. Now, Inaho was shot IN THE HEAD at close range.

>>15561799
I'm pretty sure that one of Saazbaum's bullets was a headshot.

But you're right neither of them should be alive for the second cour, it would have made the second cour unpredictable.

>>15562094
All of them were to the torso for her and sauce.

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>>15559546
>if you look at the thread there are several posts discussing what went wrong and where the show failed.
Not really. Its an open and shut case with what went wrong there's no need to drag it out and yes must of the thread is just Slainefag crying
>Except people didn't go full "Slaine did nothing wrong" this thread
see>>15552472
>>15559667
This is the first time I was posting in this thread. I literally don't give a shit about A/Z anymore and literally the only people who still do are Slainefags. Take my advice and move on from this shit heap and watch something good unless you;re one of the many suckers who got into this because Urobutcher's name was on it and it took your mecha virginity hence why you can't let go
>>15560421
The GSD aren't even that good to begin with so I don't know why you would even use that example.

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>>15562282
Look at the replies to the "Slaine did nothing wrong" post, several people said what went wrong, you are nitpicking.

>I literally don't give a shit about A/Z anymore
If you didn't, you wouldn't be responding to Aldnoah threads, and yet you do. It's easy to reverse search your reaction images and find your posts.

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>>15562309
They're saying that he shouldn't have killed a likable character like Saaz not because it was wrong

>Saying you don't care is admitting you actually care

Okay

>>15562340
>They're saying that he shouldn't have killed a likable character like Saaz not because it was wrong
First off, that's your assumption. Nobody pointed out that it was because Saaz is likeable. Second, since you refuse to read the responses I'll copy them for you
>ut the decision to kill Saazbaum was what eventually led to his downfall. Things spiraled out of control and he didn't have enough power on his side to counterbalance it.
>He killed Saazbaum, and he refused to move on from Asshime, she is his biggest failing in life and if Slaine ever moved on from her, he'd be better off. Asshime is poison and Slaine shouldn't have acted in service of this selfish little girl.
>Slaine's mistake was not to kill Saaz, but his never-ending indecision. At the end... he simply give up when he had all the cards in his hand to counter the princess.

>Saying you don't care is admitting you actually care
Read my post again. If you truly didn't care you wouldn't even click on Aldnoah threads, but you bothered writing at least 3 posts in this thread and checking it.

>>15562373
Congratulations, you wasted copying responses that prove my point.

>Saying you don't care is admitting you actually care

You're making this shit too easy

>>15562234
The first one hit her head which caused her safety helmet to activate.

>>15562282
>I-I don't care about AZ
>Still posts in an AZ to bitch about a group of fans who aren't even around.
That ptojection.

>>15562441
Now you've reached the stage where you don't present a single argument and just keep yelling
>you're wrong!

>>15562340
>They're saying that he shouldn't have killed a likable character like Saaz not because it was wrong
Except nobody said that.

>>15562441
Anon, your fucking pathetic in how obsessed you are with AZ and how you're trying and failing to project that obsession onto others, with your false assumptions.

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>>15547700
>His misfortune was legendary
And yet 50/50 on the suffering scale

>>15562537
>taking that sentence literally
Regardless, his suffering is one of the rare memorable things about the show, he's the only character that ever gets mentioned nowadays.

And I don't see what your point is with the chart, there are errors but he didn't suffer as much as Angry Mainyu or somebody.

>>15562449
>ptojection
Yeah...I'm really obsessed over this show.
>>15562451
>>15562452
>NO U: The post

Great argument

>>15562458
This argument isn't even about A/Z anymore. The fact that you keep bringing it up make me believe you're an obsessive Slainefag

>>15562544
*Angra
Kek, autocorrect.

>>15562621
>doesn't even bring up Slaine
>"Y-You're a salty Slainefag"
You know ad hominem only works if it's true.

Also like other anon said if you're so over AZ and don't care about it, then why did you even reply to this thread?

You're actions make you look more obsessed with AZ and Slainefags, than the actual Slainefags.

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Last for the best princess.

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OTP

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And the best boy.

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>>15564952
This.

>>15564944
I hope she grows her fluffy hair out after the end of the series.

>>15564962
From the thumbnail it looks like they're holding their dicks.

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>>15565003
Kind of hard to resist since they're looking at Slaine.

>>15565008
But they're all past-Slaines.

>>15565012
>implying you don't fap to yourself
What an amateur