Why is Gundam Wing so bad? Just what the hell happened to the

YOUR SIGH

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>The IBO autist just won't stop

>>15532504
Better than felcher gundam.

>>15532504
>bad
>the most recognizable by normies

Bandai fucked up by following Wing with MSG

Is Wing worth watching after I'm done with UC? I don't know much about it but it seems really weird, like somewhere halfway between UC and G Fighter

>>15532672
Do X first.

>>15532672
It starts out nice and logical but it quickly degenerates into mindless chaos.

I watched the last episodes on 4x.

>>15532665
Are you saying that popular = good?

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>>15532672
>G Fighter

>>15532504
>Why is Gundam Wing so bad?

I felt like Wing and G were somewhat returning to the super-robot feel of the first one, only G pulled it off better. Wing was just a mess all around looking back, too many subplots that were either ill-contrived or just stupid and shouldn't have been pursued.

>>15532687
Mecha hipster!

>let's pew pew 5000 mobile dolls each episode

>>15532706
Lol. Popular = bad is a hipster mindset. Popular =/= good is truth.

There is still someone who wants Frozen Teardrop animated, apart from Midorikawa. That guy love Heero.

>>15532512
MY DELIGH

>>15532504
it's full-blown toy/gay porn commercial with absolutely no attempt to appeal to anyone over the age of 14

>>15532665
Wing was a commercial success and an artistic failure

MSG was an artistic success but it was always a doomed proposition to sell it to 14 year olds in 2001

To be fair to CN, 08th MS Team and 0083 aired in the same years as well but the fact that they were on Adult Swim limited the possibilities for growing the fanbase.

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The was her problem? Literal brain problem?

>>15533126
Bipolar.

>>15532514
Y-yamero, IBOOOOOI!
HAHAHAHAHA

>>15533126
>>15533130
She was normal. It was the glasses that were evil.

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Quatre a cute!

>>15532504
>Another IBOzetafag making a spiting troll thread

JANITOR!

>>15532672

Think of "A taste of Armageddom" from the original star trek series, and see treize as Kirk, Heero as spock and Duo as Scotty

its all about "War sucks and these aristocrat assholes are turning into a mindless drone game"

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKmUd0zHW4w

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>There doesn't seem to be a war going on. Few or no civilian casualties whereas in MS Gundam, Zeon and Federal battles cause the deaths of civilians by the dozen.
>The final battle is more like man against machine than man against man. What's the point? At least in the UC, in combat enemies on both sides know how to die heroically.
>OZ troops don't seem to know how to dodge!
>Virtually all the main characters live, except Trieze, and that was technically suicide(you don't really think Wufei could've beaten Trieze in a real fight do you?)
>Why are all the main characters all so...pretty? It's like all the ugly people are either dead or evil, and all the heroes are total studs or babes!
>OZ MS stay the same through the whole series: Leos and later Virgos and Taurus. Zeon MS get stronger as the series goes on: Zaku II to Gouf to Dom to Gelgoog(which is just as strong as the Gundam.)
>Forty Maganacs, and not one of them dies. Feh.
>The RX-78-2 Gundam gets destroyed in an all-out to the death duel. The Wing Zero slices off Epyon's arm, blows up Libra and flies off with no more than a messed up paintjob.
>Is the Lightning Count the only decent pilot OZ has? Zeon had the Red Comet, the Blue Nova, Black Tristars, Nightmare of Solomon, White Wolf of Solomon, Red Lightning, Desert Thunder and the Ghost of Solomon, the Federal Forces had the White Shooting Star, the White Eagle and the Blue Destiny. All OZ had was one decent pilot in a powerhouse MS. (Noin doesn't count since she's mostly on the Wing boys' side, not OZ).

>The Gundams are nearly invincible... and there are five of them.
>OZ mobile suits are the worst pieces of crap ever built.
>Quatre's an idiot. He says he's sorry while he slaughters things. Oh, an indecisive soldier who hates to kill! Good idea, colonists!
>Wu Fei is a male chauvinist pig to an annoying extent.
>Noin is an airhead. She chose to let Wu Fei live, even though he attacked and killed her men in their sleep. Disgusting.
>The Wing Gundam self destructed. Heero lived. It was repaired. you can't live through that explosion, and you can't repair a pile of ash (which is what a self destruct system should turn a mobile suit into).
>After DeathScythe is shot several times in the head at close range, it's barely even scratched. I'm beginning to think that this show might be one-sided...
>An Aries full-on explodes from a head shot with a machine gun. Sure, there are plenty of good reasons for fuel tanks to be in the head!
>An Aries goes down with one hit from a foot solder's bazooka. That's just sad.
>The buster rifle can destroy an army of Virgos, standing side by side, all of whom are shielded. It's a good thing we didn't have to sit through, say, an actual fight.
>Zechs' uniform, mask, and hair color are all such a blatant rip-off of Char that it makes me sick to my stomach. Not to mention the long lost sisters and abandoned first names that are strangely foreign sounding. C'mon, the only thing stranger that "Casval" is "Milardo".
>Gundam Wing models are crap. The plastic is brittle and the proportions are off. Worst of all, they have "HG" kits modeled all in one color! Go buy an HGUC kit and spare yourself the heartbreak.
>Frankly, just the nickname "God of Death" pisses me off. You just know he gave that to himself. At least "Nightmare of Solomon" leaves it to your imagination.

>>15532672
No not really. It was boring as hell. The only truly good thing about it is Heavy Arms Gundam. Wing Gundam can go fuck itself with its shitty bird wings. Go watch G Gundam, that's the best you'll ever get out of the AU.

Are Leos made of aluminum foil? They seem to blow up when the paint job is scratched. Heck, in Endless drool Leos get blown up even if they arent hit. wat

>>15533034
WILL YOU MARRY ME?

>>15533628
>>There doesn't seem to be a war going on.
Always struck me as weird.

>The world is at peace
>Let's fuck shit up
>btw we're the "heroes"

>>15532504
The plot was really good from episode 10 or so until episode 30. It was'nt hard to follow at all, it was just a series of political upheavals and the Gundam boys trying to find a place in all of it and stay relevant ( something they failed at). At episode 30 the plot takes a nose dive in the Sanc Kingdom arc followed by Zech's not-Char's Counter Attack, plan.

>>15533394
>She was normal

She fucking shot a guy after dropping him out of a plane.

>>15534541
Why would someone do that?

>>15534541
>>15534554
The glasses demanded it.

>>15534541
Kaze im already a demon.

>>15532504
Heero is just a really boring character because the writers realized you can't really make a show fifty episodes long if your main character is a murderous psychopath so they toned him down a lot after the first few episodes.

>>15533628

> The final battle is more like man against machine than man against man. What's the point?

The point is to examine the role of a person and technology in war, what war without sacrifice and casualties looks like, how it dehumanizes war and makes it simply a game of numbers, what a soldiers role in a peaceful society is and so on. The show did an atrocious job of examining those things most of the time, but that's the point at least.

> OZ MS stay the same through the whole series
> proceed to name of an evolving series of mobile suits
> Leo leads to Virgo leads to Virgo II, Aries leads to Taurus, Cancer, Pieces, Tragos and probably a few others scattered between to
> Virgo II is built from the same material as the Gundams, has better defense than any of them thanks to 8 planet defensors, is at least as good as most in close combat with two beam sabers and has a beam cannon equal to the Wings

> Is the Lightning Count the only decent pilot OZ has?
> Proceeds to name a list of good Zeon and Fed pilots, most of whom are either from sequels or side stories

OZ also had Treize, Une and Otto. And if you're going to count small fries that have a name and still mostly exist to job, then Otto and Une count too. It's still not really much I agree, but Zeon in 0079 were mostly mooks in reality too.

>>15533647

> The Gundams are nearly invincible

And yet all 5 get beaten and near destroyed at least once, with the Wing Gundam suffering a litany of defeats during the show. It probably lost more than the RX-78-2 now that I think of it.

>>15535128

> you can't repair a pile of ash (which is what a self destruct system should turn a mobile suit in to)

Self destruct systems usually only destroy the sensitive systems that you don't want falling in to enemy hands, not literally vaporize the entire unit.

> An Aries goes down with one hit from a foot soldier's bazooka. That's just sad

Most tanks, helicopters and planes can be downed with one hit from a bazooka, provided you can hit them in the first place. That's probably one of the least objectionable and most interesting, realistic and entertaining elements of Wing.

> Zechs' uniform, mask, and hair color are all such a blatant rip-off of Char that it makes me sick to my stomach. Not to mention the long lost sisters and abandoned first names that are strangely foreign sounding.

To be fair, Char was hardly the first character to do that. I don't think he was even the first mecha character to do so.

> You just know that he (Duo) gave that name (God of Death) to himself

I'm pretty sure it's canon that he did, and that he's kind of an edgy wannabe who covers his feelings on death with humor.

Not that I don't agree with your general opinion and most of your points, but there are some silly arguments in there regardless.

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>>15532675
I agree. I felt GX took a lot of the good features of GW and transplanted them into a more-interesting setting that may-or-may-not be post-UC.

>>15535128
>>15535131
Girls, girls. You're both beautiful but ya' gotta' stop.

>>15532504
I'm more perturbed by why its so fondly remembered by so many people. Normies consider it the original gundam.

>>15533628
>>15533647
Not to jump to Gundam Wing's defense, but I think it's unfair to judge it based on these comparative observations to the original. These things weren't GW's major flaws, some contributed to them for sure, but the story and characters. It tried to do something different, but it didn't quite gel right. I still say it is at least fun to watch, even if it is baffling at times. The english dub goes great with nostalgic friends and booze.

"Lightning Count" was the better nom de guerre of the series, anyway.

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As bad as Wing is, its still watchable to the laughs. Shit gets real absurd real fast, except unlike G, they really want you to take is seriously.

Will rebuy the series on BD should RS everr run out of UC shit to release. Picture related.

>>15534554

To make sure he didn't fly so good

>>15536935
>Will rebuy the series on BD should RS everr run out of UC shit to release
Right Stuf's actually releasing Wing on Blu-Ray this year. Probably because of its popularity in the states, but it's most likely because.... well, they've run out of UC shit to release. The only UC shit that's not on Blu-Ray so far are Unicorn and 0080, and even then the latter doesn't even have a Blu-Ray remaster in Japan.

Also G-Saviour but I don't think they're gonna release that

>>15537039
I'll believe it when I see it.

08th, 0083, F-91 so far this year. Igloo, MSG Movie Trilogy (BD ver.), Thunderbolt, and Origin on their way. I bet they pull Zete Movie BDs and Unicorn and out their ass before the years up. Possibly even Twilight Axis depending on how quickly Bandai burns through it.

>>15534661
>because the writers realized you can't really make a show fifty episodes long if your main character is a murderous psychopath
Guess they never saw Zeta.

>>15532672
Production order.

>>15532675

Gundam X is the best option if you want to continue a loose continuation to the UC storyline but with Gundam Wing's visuals.

>>15532504
The main character is really boring. Having each pilot have their own agenda and not work as a chesive unit for ost of he show also damages what could have been a really neat group dynamic.

G Gundam did the team of gundam pilot-bros way better.

>>15534541
One might wonder why would you shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.

>>15537261
Indeed, that would only leave a bloody mess all over the cabin.

And that just isn't very elegant.

I got a kick out of it

>>15532704
>the super-robot feel of the first one
The first one was one of the least super robot. Each entry after it just got more and more super robot, all the way up to CCA with its ending

>>15533628
>The final battle is more like man against machine than man against man
Kinda the whole point
>OZ MS stay the same through the whole series: Leos and later Virgos and Taurus
Taurus and then Virgos were both big improvements, especially the Virgos.

>>15537489
Wrong

Bump for nonsensical writing

>>15544028

Reported for being a shitposter in fact IBOzetafag

>>15533973
The world is only at "peace" because of the brutal oppression of the colonies by the Earth aristocrat

This is explained at the beginning of every goddamn episode, are you mentally handicapped?

>>15544050
I have literally only seen Wing and 00 you paranoid moron.

>>15544151
>oppression
>but not really oppressed
>lets fuck the world up

>Wing is bad hurrr durrr
Oh look, this meme again

>>15537227
This

>>15536935
>for the lulz
I think as a Wingfag and someone who enjoys the UC this is the best answer

Wing is quite funny than some of the other series here's why:
>Sexist wufei
>heero's retarded antics
>occasional awkward moments

Literally the most reasonable characters are Trowa, Duo, Zechs, and Treize in that order

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>>15536702
Treize never had a nom du guère did he?

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>>15533647
Overall,
Zechs is a better character than Char himself

Both are aces, wear masks to conceal themselves, but I realized that Char just becomes more of an annoyance rather than a legitimate threat like midway through MSG and beyond.

>loses to haman, Amuro, Sirrocco
>gets outclasses by every other ace pilot
>tries to haphazardly destroy the earth via axis
>gives amuro a winning chance
>has a lasting legacy
>/m/ classifies him as an "infinite loser" and a jobber for life

Zechs is the opposite. He becomes better every time. Midway in Wing, when his mask breaks he literally becomes one of the better characters.

>realizes his true enemy was Treize
>Wing boys are moot and just in the way
>Whoops heero's ass every time except Zero vs Epyon 1 and Zero vs Epyon II
>other pilots can't fuck with him

Granted his plan to destroy the earth was the same a char's. Zech realizes that he was wrong.

>Preventer Wind gimmick
>Completes Tallgeese III
>His shit never got destroyed unlike the other MS
>Doesn't die like a bitch to his rival like Char

Charfags GTFO

>>15532504
Still better than seed

I remember in the final battle how the poor Leo mooks literally were suicide bombing against the Virgos

>>15545256

> Whoops Heero's ass every time
> except twice

Did they even fight that many more times? They fought maybe twice more that I can recall, in the first episode (barely a fight) and in the Arctic when Heero used Tallgeese. And I wouldn't call either of those a whooping.

>>15534541
There was a gentleman who survived an impact from terminal velocity irl if I recall correctly.

Can never be too careful in that line of work.

>>15545325
didn't he break his legs or something?

>>15545196

>Megatron
>Rattrap/Silverbolt/Waspinator
>Jetstorm

how Wing's dub team was glorious

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybzbEixUqvM

>>15545292
Leos get killed by just a scratchm so why not just use them as akbars

>>15545310
There was the Leo fight which Zechs gave up only because he knew the Gundam was OP he still matched it and sunk it to the bottom of the ocean hence why Heero was tryin to destroy it

There was the duel when zechs for got the Tallgeese and just saber slapped the shit outta the WG. Made it look like Heero was trash. This was also the time where he self destructed

Tallgeese vs Heavyarms duel which Zechs dominated. Nuff said

The next meeting wasn't really a fight

When Zechs got Zero he beat Wufei in Altron

Has a draw with Heero in Epyon

His only loss came in the last duel where Epyon got destroyed

>>15545202
Wasn't that the first and only time he's ever operated a mobile suit in a combat situation?

>>15545515
He was a super ace in the space war before the series, piloting a Leo variant known as the Griffon IV

>>15545325
Wow, I guess it's possible for someone to fly so good

>>15532504
To answer your question in a way that makes sense op, they changed head writers, and I think, possibly even entire writing staff about ten or so episodes in. Dont quote me on the exact episode it happened but it was pretty fuckin early. Thats why I assume, that those recap episodes happened so early in. To disguise the fact that an entirely new team needed to write new episodes after junking what was on the table

>>15545256
>m-my character accomplished so much more within the confines of his way shittier show where all of the main characters kill like 500 enemies so he's better than your character!

this is the height of retardation

>>15545340
There's been a few instances of that, with varying levels of injury. One guy got lucky and just had a sprain, but typically you'll break at least a few things.

>>15537227
Kamille is interesting because he has pacifist beliefs but his own anger issues constantly get the better of him and make him murderous
Like it almost seems like the point of Kamille is to show that a pacifist protagonist isn't possible in Gundam, but SEED writers were too retarded to understand that

>>15537231
You're fucking retarded
>Entirely different staff
>Entirely different universe
I watched UC in chronological order, get mad about it loser

>>15537482
>The first one was one of the least super robot. Each entry after it just got more and more super robot, all the way up to CCA with its ending
I don't think you've watched any SR shows because you think nonscientific phenomenon = Super
He was referring to the entirety of the shows structure and the characters and the pacing

>>15545256
>That screenshot
Is the entirety of wing that cliche?
>Oh look his disguise broke in the most melodramatic way physically possible

>>15546232

Source, because I'm not seeing any head writers than Sumizawa on a quick look online. He wrote Endless Waltz as well, and if Wing was deemed successful enough to get a movie but he wasn't the head writer for most of the show it seems unlikely he'd be the one writing a movie. He'd probably change more to reflect his personal vision if the story when given the chance to rewrite it in manga form.

>>15546295

What about the hack who wrote Turn-A Gundam?

>>15545180
are you trying to imply otherwise

>>15537289
>>15537261
>>15537035
>>15534559
>>15534541
Was it part of her plan?

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>>15546304
It is.

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>>15545470

You seem to have rather a rosy view of Zechs; that or you haven't seen Wing in quite a while. Either way, Zechs didn't match the Wing in the first episode. He rushed it, Heero grabbed his Leo's arm and then Zechs locked the Wing in to a (really weak) hold using a single leg, that wasn't even really wrapped and jumped. He did so because he thought that'd be enough to kill Heero and they could salvage the Wing at their leisure, not because he thought the Wing was unbeatable. Heero also didn't try to destroy the Wing because Zechs matched him, he tried to destroy it because Relena saw him. He even seems to try to kill himself using a function of his space suit when he wakes up

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>>15548011

I've also no idea where you're getting the idea that Zechs "saber slapped the shit" out of the Wing next time they met, or made Heero look like trash. It's pretty clearly a draw, bar Heero simply soaking up the Dobergun's hit, since he doesn't really dodge much in the early episodes and just lets the Gundanium mitigate damage instead.

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>>15548018

As for Zech's dominating the third encounter? Not really. It's also pretty clearly a draw. Putting aside that Heero is physically hurt and using an unfamiliar suit that doesn't fit his combat preferences (can't fly) they fit to a match for 3 hours according to Trowa.

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>>15548026

The only time Zechs gains a notable advantage is when Heero ditches the Heavyarms main weapon, along with it's left arm and shield so that he can continue fighting. Zech's manages to exploit the fact the Heavyarms is weak on the left side, while thinking to himself about how he wants to ditch his foolish pride as a warrior to do what needs to be done.

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>>15548037

And even after doing that, when the show cuts back to them Heero is back up and the two are once again fighting to a draw. Every fight they have is a draw except the finale, which is essentially the point. I don't even know why you brought up his fight with Wufei, beyond supposing you're trying to demonstrate his skill. Which is meaningless since I wasn't asking about his skill in the first place.

>>15548018

>Tallgeese 1: Roman centurion the Gundam
>Tallgeese 2: British Royal Knight Gundam
>Tallgeese 3: Templar Paladin Gundam

if this asshole isn't the best Gundam ever made, then Gundam is lost, and the franchise is doomed with Unicorn clones.

>>15548045
>Beam saber do not cut the gundam

I remembered Duo's scene with the indestructible Leo, but now I see it was quite common in wing.

>>15548071

In fairness, the Heavyarms beam saber hits the Tallgeese when Heero is commenting that the Tallgeese's left side is damaged and the hit did nothing besides make some sparks, so it's not exclusively a trait of the Gundams. It's basically just plot armor at work again, like whenever someone with a name pilots a Leo.

>>15532504
why do so many mecha series go to shit by the halfway point?

>>15537227
Neither did you.

>>15549305
ahh dr autism has arrived

>>15546262
Nice try fag, but /m/ hates Char

>>15532504
Because they had no idea what they wanted.

>>15532512
>>15532514
No, Wing is that bad

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>YOU LOSER I CAN'T STAND THE SIGHT OF YOU
>1 minute later
>Dammit I didn't want to win

Why was he so tsundere for Trieze?

Quatre and Duo in retrospect were the best characters. Everyone else was autistic edgelords.

Why is it tallgeese and not tallgoose?

>>15559762

because everyone including katoki plays GEEEEEEEEEESE

Wing is hilariously bad. I loved rewatching it after how boring IBO was. SEED Destiny is just aggravatingly bad.

Aldnoah is my favorite piece of shit mech show.

>>15537227
And you didn't either because you watched it and weren't paying attention