Which one is more powerful?

>>15527737
Turn A

>>15527737
>Remove the backpack
Turn A

>Backpack stays
Turn A

Turn A is designed for interstellar combat. Photon Torpedoes are OP, but when your shit can reach all the way to Jupiter, you're officially exiled to Ubers.

>>15527764
>Photon Torpedoes are OP
Are they really, though? A slow-moving cloud of projectiles that takes out bite-sized chunks of mobile suits? In theory, maybe, but in practice, they seem underwhelming.

>>15527771
Isn't that just like a shitty Moonlight Butterfly?

>>15527764
>Ubers
>>>/vp/

>>15527776
it vaporizes more quickly than the moonlight butterfly

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>>15527771
The relatively small effect in the show could be down to the standard Gundam pilot "better be careful with this lethal weapon lest I kill somebody" thing.
>>15527776
Uses annhilation rather than degradation

>>15527771
bellri put it on the lowest power setting

>>15527737
Mustache is more powerful than cat ears.

G-Self w/ Prefect Pack. Tomino is an outstanding adult that would never lie.

>>15527771
Photon torpedoes are op because you never run out.
Ever.

>>15527980
I mean, you do in that the G-Self is still battery-powered, isn't it? It'll run out of juice if it goes full-throttle for long enough, while the Turn A's been running for centuries on end without refueling.

>>15527991
Honestly though, the Gundam franchises only have 3 power sources that are virtually unlimited. DHGCP Power Plants, GN Drives and Ahab Reactors.

>>15527991
photon batteries power everything in RC and will last a ridiculously long time

these aren't the easy to fail electrical batteries from CE that morosawa leans on for drama

>>15528006
They are batteries. They don't produce their own energy. They obtain it from an outside source. And as seen with G-Self, its photon battery can easily be depleted.

>>15528008
No shit, I never said batteries produce energy. When did the G-Self run out of power and require a replacement battery?

>>15528011
When he fought the Kabakali in the last two episodes

>>15527771
10%

>>15527737
Isn't the G Self a fairly normal MS? Why even make this comparison if it is?

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Was she about to drop a Moonlight Butterfly here?

>>15527955
>cat ears
bunny ears actually, moon rabbit symbolism. the suit came from the moon.

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>>15527857

The Moonlight Butterfly can disintegrate stuff pretty instantly when it wants to.

>>15528399
Damn, I don't remember Corin going out like that.

>>15528399
The "photon" torpedo on the G Self is just an anti-matter bomb. It will convert whatever it touches into energy at the subatomic level very quickly. The MLB system has much greater range, but it's not quite as absolutely destructive to a single target.

>>15527771
>20 percent powah

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>>15527885

We have no idea what power setting he put it on, just that he meant to put it on a lower setting. Not that it was the lowest, or even definite proof he actually put it on a low setting, since he leaves open the idea he just failed to actually do it himself in the aftermath of using them.

>>15527980

Do we actually know that out of interest? Cause I don't see anything in their construction (what little we know of it) or supplemental material that gives that idea. Regardless, neither does the Moonlight Butterfly so it's kind of a moot point.

>>15528058

It also puts new batteries in during episode 8 or something. It hadn't run out, but the act of putting in new photon batteries implies it was running low. The fact one set of batteries didn't even last the full show implies they're fairly finite too, at least in comparison to the Turn-A. They're practically infinite compared to C.E.s batteries.

>>15528308

Is an assumption by fans.

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>>15528358

Even if she did it may not have mattered, the Moonlight Butterfly is a multi-purpose system and seems to have variable settings allowing it to be a fancy light show that overpowers shields or an apocalyptic ionic storm. She might have misjudged in her ignorance like Bellri did with the Photon Torpedoes, but she might just have made a pretty cloud.

>>15528358
i want her to drop her cute moon butt on my fac3

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>>15528406

Well it has to be more destructive, because it's purpose is purely as a weapon while the Moonlight Butterfly can be used for destruction but has other possible uses and like the Devil Cells is partially used to heal the Earth.

>>15528406
Also the G-Self absorbs the energy produced by the torpedoes and refuels itself.

>>15528451

Source?

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>>15528451
I think some anon translated this when it was airing.

>>15528463
meant for >>15528455

>>15527771
Photon Torpedoes ANNIHILATE matter. It doesn't get any more destructive than that.

>>15527885
>>15528308
>>15528411
Well unless you can tell me exactly how strong they are are 100%, I have to go with what's shown.

>>15528923
But what if the Turn A moved out of the way of the slow projectiles, or its barrier was able to nullify them?

>>15528923

It doesn't if you consider only specific effect in a confined area. Power isn't just about individual destruction though and the Moonlight Butterfly can cover a much broader area at the very least. It can also repurpose anything it does eat in an at least vaguely constructive manner by integrating back in to the surrounding landscape (presuming you're on a land), which may not be destructive but is still power. We also know that the Moonlight Butterfly can overpower shields, and have no idea whether shields would stop photon torpedoes. It's easy to assume they could, since they're i-field derived, but it's not actually definite. We also know the Moonlight Butterfly can do other things than destroy matter, acting as a shield itself or negating various forms of energy (fire and nuclear radiation at the least).

>>15528934
me cumming inside your mom while your sisters suck on my nips anus strong

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>>15528994

>>15528463
The perfect pack really doesnt fuck around doesnt it?

Also I think Turn A would win because it does more bull shit than belliris magic mecha toolbox

>>15528451
>>15528463
>>15530701
Technically it doesn't absorb the energy of the torpedoes, it absorbs the electromagnetic radiation given off by the annihilation process caused by the torpedoes colliding with matter. It's (sort of) like eating the heat and light from the fire rather than eating the fire itself.

>>15530743
>Energy is absorbed from the reaction
That makes more sense now

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The real question is who's the better pilot.

Loran or Bellri?

>>15530794
Hard to determine since both were holding back for the majority of their series
It did look like Bellri was being carried by his MS more though

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>>15528421
While you can make an argument, it is pretty clear the idea of the scene is even on low output these things are too good

Plus doesn't he use them in the last ep to scan the whole battlefield super quick? If they could do that it is likely the could tear it apart that quick

>>15531270

The thing is, he doesn't even indicate it's on a low setting - just that he thinks he's set it to less than 100%. That could be them at 75% for all we know, so people assuming it's 10% or whatever just seems weird to me.

Moonlight Butterfly is just nanomachines, isn't it? Wouldn't photon torpedoes being anti-matter still just devour them?

>>15527737
>Which one is more powerful?

The one with the nice moustache

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>>15528433

>>15531809
Yea it'd annihilate them.

>>15530794
Bellri based on feats. People say he gets carried but he learns well on the fly and is shown to be pretty skilled in melee. Loran doesn't do too much.

Seriously though, Turn A would probably win simply because the G-self runs on batteries on the Turn A runs on blackholes. There's no reason why the Turn A couldn't just turn it into a battle of attrition and win by drawing out the fight. Loran's a smart boy.

>>15532206
>is shown to be pretty skilled in melee. Loran doesn't do too much
He spends half the show doing judo moves on his giant robot.

>>15532231
>hands vs a beam saber
Yeah I wonder who will win. Disarming opponents is a meme made to sell kids' parents on martial arts classes, and Rush Hour.

>>15532206
>Loran doesn't do too much.

Didn't he literally start making up moves in the last third of Turn A though? Remember that time he used shadow clones (literally 1 time) during that moon fight?

>>15532267
>Remember that time he used shadow clones (literally 1 time) during that moon fight?
webm? I don't remember any sort of trickery like that but it has been like a decade since I watched it.

>>15532284
I wish I had a webm or the show downloaded but I distinctly remember during the fight on the moon with Turn X and the girl's mobile suit, Loran busted out some random movies, including one that made it appear like he split in two to dodge a move.

>>15532284
>I don't remember any sort of trickery like that
>trickery

Gym plz

>>15532348
THE WHITE DEVIL IS USING WITCH CRAFT

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>>15531809

I'd doubt it based both on the size of the nanomachines and the construction of the photon torpedoes. Photon torpedoes appear to detonate on impact, so they need to register an impact to destroy anything and nanomachines are very tiny and light so I'm not sure they'd register as an impact. Nanomachines are in the low micrometers (maybe 1 to 10 micremeters in size), and if photon torpedoes registered that as an impact it'd also be registering random space dust and destroying essentially nothing. There's also the fact photon torpedoes are made partially of i-fields, and we know that nanomachines can destroy i-fields thanks to >>15528431.

Now it might be that you can program the photon torpedoes to detonate on a timer, so that they don't need to register an impact, but ultimately I just don't see how it makes a difference. Photon torpedoes release in a fairly loose stream, while the Moonlight Butterfly is a huge cloud in any and all directions. Even if the photon torpedoes took out the nanomachines within their way, there'd be a huge cloud of them that would instantly fill the gap.

>>15532206

> Loran doesn't do too much

Loran actually does a fair amount over the course of the series, so I think that's a little unfair. Pic related is one I noticed while scouting through episodes for a different moment to make a webm of and loved when I noticed it. I can't recall too much of Bellri so I'm not nay-saying him, but I don't recall him doing as much as Loran either. Not to say he didn't, but I just don't remember it if he did.

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>>15532231

Half is a bit of an exaggeration. He has no weapons from episode 2 (when he finds the Turn-A and it's beam rifle melts) to roughly episode 10 (when Sochie finds the beam rifle). He's not really looking for weapons though I'd imagine given his personality. Still, he does some cool stuff in that time.

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>>15532320

I don't recall anything like that, but he did frustrate Merrybell (and Gym) by turning invisible, which I suspect is the moment you're referring to.

>>15532418
>Photon torpedoes appear to detonate on impact
It's antimatter trapped in an i-field, it'll "blow up" when it touches matter

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There's also moments like this, which I think is one of the moments most people remember where he improvises with somewhat antiquated weapons to fit a situation they weren't really designed for.

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>>15532429

It still needs to register matter though, and is obviously not registering random space dust as matter.

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This is another one I think most people do recall.

>>15532444
I don't think it's smart enough to do differentiate. They're balls of antimatter not smart missiles

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I'm partial to this moment as well, just because it's Loran improvising to hit an enemy he can't hit himself.

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>>15532451

It probably isn't, but the solution seems to be to just not have it register really small amounts of matter. Which would include nanomachines.

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>>15532452

Damn, posted the wrong image after getting two with similar file names mixed up. The right one is exactly 3MBs and thus to large to post too. Will have to remake it later. Here's another in the mean time.

>>15532452
She's right though. The Turn A totally can fly. It has enough thrust power to overpower Sumo flight backs and push back the Wilgeim going full throttle. The Turn A gundam could probably be one of the fastest MS in the franchise, making the V2 look like a toy.

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>>15532455

I also meant to say with that one that I like the improvisation, it's just a pity it has no effect. Still a fun moment though, and it having no effect is part of the fun really.

>>15532458

It does fly when it comes back from the Moon, but Loran either can't make it fly before that point or just isn't. It does move quite fast in the few episodes it's flying though.

>>15532466
I'm not even talking about the MLB, which seems to enable flight of its own. The Turn A's I-field drive things just have a shit ton of thrust

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>>15532494

It does that too.

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>>15532582

Though it does push around the Wilgame, and the Gendarme too. The Turn-A's reactor is also what's used to give the Wilgame a kickstart after they finish excavating it.

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>>15532594

Damn, thought that webm included the Turn-A pushing back the Gendarme but it stops before that point. Anyway, here's the one I meant to post in place of >>15532452.

>The two most powerful Gundams in the history of the series both get piloted by fuccbois that are careful not to hurt anyone

Imagine how broken they would be if it was Amuro or Char or Uso in one of these things

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>>15532619

That carefulness doesn't always work. That aside, unless the fluff about the units true power not being usable by oldtypes is accurate and a newtype being able to teleport beams or whatever I'm not really sure any of them would do much better with the unit.

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>>15532619
THEY ARE NOT

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>>15532636

I think the whole thing about the Turn-A and Turn-X needing to have newtypes to unleash their full power is kind of interesting, because the show does slightly touch on it. Here for instance, Gym, who never shows any newtype moments (and Tomino has also stated in interview there are no newtypes in Turn-A/CC) is using a Psycommu - which he says is strong. Granted, it could be like the F91 where there's a control method that oldtypes can operate but a newtype is needed to unleash it's full power. Still, the Turn-X is a psycommu equipped machine with 7 bits (Head, chest, backpack, 2 arms, 2 legs) that can be piloted independently in complex maneuvers by an oldtype so at the very least psycommu tech has come on a long way since UC.

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>>15532720

On the other hand, Gym does somewhat cryptically refer to how the Amerians arrayed against him cannot restore the Turn-A to it's true state. It could be held up as proof of the whole newtype/hidden systems thing being something Tomino always had in mind, but it's very vague so I wouldn't take it too seriously in that regard.

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>>15532732

Also, I like that Gym uses the psycommu to pilot the Turn-X in such a relaxed manner when facing people he doesn't feel the need to go all out against.

>>15532284
This is likely what I was thinking about.
Sorry, not shadow clones.

>>15532427
yeah, I havent seen the show in half a decade, but I guess that's the moment. I remember it sticking with me because he pulled that move out of nowhere.

>the turn a can't even fly
>most powerful gundam
logic of turn a hipsters

>>15534255
nigga it flies with butterfly wings

>>15534255

Are you blind? >>15532466 and >>15532582 are the Turn-A flying, with and without the Butterfly wings.

>anti-matter vs nanomachines
Boy, this is a tough one.

>>15534875
>loose cloud of weak antimatter projectiles vs an enormous spread of nanomachines that reduces technology to sand
Really makes ya stink

>>15534875

> anti-matter missile that is unlikely to detect nanomachines and only has a small field of effect versus nanomachines that can cover huge distances and almost instantly fill any gaps

You're probably being sarcastic, but it's not as simple as you're making out and there's actually a good chance the nanomachines would just ignore the anti-matter in the end.

Wasn't the Turn X just found floating in space during the dark history? The nation that used it doesn't know who or what made it. It's almost like it's a manifestation of the hostile psychofield's bloodlust.

Neither the Turn A nor the G-Self were actually used at full power on their respective series but at least we know what the Turn A was able to do in the past.

>>15534958

Yes, though it's suggested newtypes who left the Solar System centuries ago made it. The Turn-A was then built by reverse engineering it, in preparation for war with the unknown builders of the Turn-X. After a few years with no sign of them the two units were instead used to combat each other because you can only maintain an alliance built on fear for so long.

>>15534958
I think one of the novels actually said the Turn X was used by the faction that was trying to save the world from being destroyed by the Turn A. I guess it's not official but the show lends credence to such a claim considering the Turn A defeated the Turn X in the past and proceeded to destroy the world resulting in end of black history. Though now G-Reco has said that the MLB nanomachines actually coated the world and helped make soil fertile and stuff so the Earth could recover.

So basically the Turn A is if the Devil Gundam won and wiped out most of humanity. Not sure you can claim the Turn X is the manifestation of bloodlust when the other guy was the actual badguy.

>>15534987
>G-Reco
Or rather the G-Reco setting guide or staff or whatever. They said something about the nanomachines coating the Earth. I think there was some relation to 00 too.

>>15534987
It's interesting you mention the Devil Gundam. I always wondered if DG cells would counteract the moonlight butterfly's destructive properties with its regenerative abilities.

>>15535012
Can't recall where it's from - it was mentioned in the old post about novel Turn A, setting guide notes, game notes, Tomino's notes, etc. - but the DG Cells were reengineered to include cell death, so they wouldn't grow out of control. And the MLB are descended from the DG cell research.

>>15534987

> Though now G-Reco has said that the MLB nanomachines actually coated the world and helped make soil fertile and stuff so the Earth could recover.

Turn-A already said that, as did Tomino's setting notes from the time going by translations made a few years back as G-Reco was airing. Also, Turn-A was definitely the bad guy given that it wiped out all technology on Earth. It's the reason Corin had a complex about Gundam in the first half, and there's legends mentioned of a White Gundam that'll destroy the world again occasionally. It's part of a theme the show goes for, that just because something is a weapon or did bad things in the past doesn't mean they can only be that in the future and probably the reason Corin turns in to an ally.

>>15535027

Damn, meant to include a link to >>15528438 with talk about how the Turn-A's nanomachines integrated back in to the Earth after it wiped out all tech.

>>15535040
Pretty sure turning everything to sand wouldn't be good for the ecology. Not a lot of fauna can survive in just sand.

>>15535040
It wiped out the people inside those buildings too.

>>15535056

Regular sand sure, sand looking nanomachines with restorative properties that is specifically noted to assimilate and seen several times throughout the show underground? Probably not so bad.