Stop hating Enterprise

>>15513378
it's been a long road.....
gettin from there to here....

>>15513378
>Stop hating Enterprise

Uhm no. I've watched the series when it aired and let me tell you all the potential went to shit the moment the whole temporal coldwar and the Xindi were brought in. The seasons went to shit, and not even T'pol and the Andorians (we should have had more of them) could save the sinking ship. Even the ending didn't resonate as high as it could because of the slogfest of the previous seasons.

>>15513378
Season 1&2 sucked but 3 was bloody good.

>>15513378

cant hate it, the vulkan gurl awas hot, the brazillian chink too, and ofc they gave his monologue

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRoy9gRVuEM

>>15513431
>Season 1&2 sucked but 3 was bloody good.

1 relatively good season out of 3 is a pretty dismal record. An in my view it is not sufficient to redeem the show. Enterprise had potential, a lot of potential if they only stuck to doing what Star Trek does : explore and find new civilizations along the way. Most of the focus should have been on establishing the United Federation of Planets but that is not what we got. We got 2 seasons of Space 1999 season 2. And that ain't good no matter what Star Trek or Space 1999 fans say.

>>15513378
Didn't this have a weird ending that implied the whole thing was just a simulation?

>>15513448
Sounds about right. Kinda sad that only one of the four seasons kept me interested, hope the show is a step up.

>>15513469
New show*

>>15513449
>Didn't this have a weird ending that implied the whole thing was just a simulation?

The final episode was a flashback as seen from from ST : TNG days with Diana Troy and Riker looking at a holographic story of the Enterprise and the founding of the Federation.

>>15513378
Joke's on you, I love anything Scott Bakula is in.

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>>15513510

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Star Trek needs to bring back the MACOs.

fugging red/tan shirt security/tactical officers are literally worse than cannon fodder. Though the MACOs operate operationally.

Should Janeway have been more diplomatic in her journey through the frontier that is the Delta Quadrant, or more despotic?

>>15513535
should have beamed a bunch of photon torpedos onto the Caretaker Array, with a time delay. used the the array to get home.

>>15513536
But there was no time left. Voyager was severely damaged from the wormhole and Kazon ships were rapidly en-route. Plus, the program to reactivate the array would take several hours to initialize, and by that time Voyager would've been overrun and destroyed, making the holdout meaningless.

Does anyone have the 4chan episode guides for TNG and DS9?

I'm already at the last episode of TNG but i feel like i could have skiped a bunch of shit. Don't want to make the same mistake in DS9.

>>15513566

When it comes to DS9 know this : the first 2 seasons are so-so. From the 3rd seaspm onwards DS9 goes on to become the best ST show ever made. Yep even better than TOS. The final episodes are a bit of a downer, but season 3-7 are godly.

>>15513448
All of the Star Trek shows had weak early seasons. The only difference with Enterprise is it got canned early, just as it was starting to take off.

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>>15513446
>the vulkan gurl was hot

"Was" is right

>>15513594
>WhatYouLookingatSmoothskin.jpg

>>15513594
>"Was" is right

Jesus, what happened to her ?
Did she go on drugs or what ?

>>15513711
sun and 1% body fat

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>>15513594
AAAAAHH

>>15513378
Crossover between Enterprise and G-Savior when?

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>>15513378
no

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>>15513378
I watched some random scenes from Enterprise, the episode where the captain's dog pisses on some alien religious artifact and another with blue Jeffrey Combs. I enjoyed it. Will I like Enterprise?

>>15514000
Probably, but I'm pretty sure you've seen the best the show has to offer.

S3-4 were great.
I'm a big DS9 fan, but once Xindi stuff kicked in, show really was able to stand on its own. And S4 seemed like a good modern Trek, different from TNG era in a good way. Finale was not good at all, but rest of S4 deserves more recognition.

>>15513378
Its still not as bad as Voyager.

I liked the Andorians in this show

>>15514000
>he episode where the captain's dog pisses on some alien religious artifact
>I enjoyed it.
Well, considering you liked the episode that is hands down considered the worst Enterprise episode next to the finale that was so bad that ratings tanked and never recovered, you'll probably like the rest.

>>15514434
This.

>>15514000
I love Jonathan Frakes.

>>15513378
I tried my best to like Enteprise, heck, sometimes I even succeeded.

Voyager is complete junk, though, it'll get no love from me.

I don't hate Enterprise

But I do know I'm gonna hate Discovery.

>>15514790
lol like that's going to ever come out

>>15513378

But I never hated it, Anon.

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>>15513378
Eh. It was average. The Temporal Cold War thing, while an interesting idea, should never have been in this show. I get that this was Paramount pushing this on the studio, and they tried to do as little with it as possible which I appreciated, but the show should have focused, primarily on the founding of the Federation, which it does have quite a bit of.

I don't hate it. I do think it's pretty dull and I stopped watching it after the first season because I just wasn't interested. I might go back to it someday, though.

>>15514124
Voyager became ok once Borg came back. Season 4, I think?
Not great, but plenty of decent episodes.

It's still more enjoyable than Voyager.

>>15514790
At this rate, Discovery's captain is going to be Duke Nukem.

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>>15513378
Stop undermining the Cardassian Empire.

>>15513378
Is he an Ultramarine?

>>15517476
this should really be our focus
how the Cardassian Empire reached out to try to assist its Bajorn friends, who had lost their love of technology and discovery in favor religious intolerance.
How the Cardassian Empire generously tried to help Bajor develop it's mineral wealth.
How religious terrorism killed the sons, wives, and daughters of Cardassia and Bajor indiscriminately.
How Cardassia did nothing wrong.

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Bajoran women were literally made for the Big Cardassian Cock

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>>15517278
No please, I don't want Randy near ST. He already ruined Aliens.

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>>15517663
>that dirty sink
>that dirty floor
Do you think anyone is dirty in the Federation? How do they clean? Nothing ever looks like it hasn't been wiped down in the last 5 minutes.

>>15517703
IIRC most Starships have some sort of nanobot-like system that scrubs the ships down at regular intervals. I wouldn't be surprised if that same technology was adapted for use in the home.

>>15517647
>that time Dukat called Kira just to tell her "ifukedurmom lol"

>>15518043
>Dukat fucking Kira's mom
>Dukat becoming the Antichrist
>Sisko becoming Christ
>Sisko dying
IMO these are major mistakes DS9 made in its storyline.

>>15514469
Frakes is a hard man to hate. He thought that episode was dogshit though. Him and Sirtis both

>>15518054
The wormhole alien stuff yes
"Ah, Major! Those are lovely flowers. They're like the ones I gave your mother back when I fucked her! Oops gotta go, toodles!" is truly inspired.

>>15513378
Fuck no even voyager was better

>muh forced sex for no reason because vulcan drug addict on board
>muh diversity quota
>archer somehow manages to be less giving a fuck about rules than janeway ever did
>Doctor is probably the dumbest motherfucker aboard
>travis is an emotionless pilot who looks like he has no understanding what is going on
>Let's go back to earth for no reason other than we ran out of budget from UPN

>>15515255
One of the bigger issues was that everything seemed to focus on archer(probably because he cost the most), and everyone else was kinda just *there*. Everyone else, aside from maybe tucker, was forgettable in character. This made basically every episode without Archer feel like some weird show that you never really understood any of the characters or why they would do what they did.

>>15513581
Just reached Episode 3.
I'm enjoying it just like i enjoyed the first seasons of TNG. I know everyone hates them but i only disliked the final season of TNG and any Wesley episodes with the pedophile
.
DS9 has me hooked right now, i fucking love Odo, he makes Worf look like an idiot.

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>>15518070
>Pip blows up for some reason
>He's dead
>No wait he's alive
>Where is he?
>He's dead
>Wait he's alive and talking to Riker
>Nope he's dead

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>>15517647
>>15518073

As much as it get shit, voyager had some really good episodes and tried some fun things. It by no means is the best thing ever, but is kinda fun

>>15518257
Voyager is the ZZ of Star Trek

>>15518083
tuvok was based though

>>15518257
I liked the one where Paris had to go to space driver school.

>>15518257
Timeless and The Void were great. Voyager has the same kind of variability as the rest of Star Trek; the average is just lower.

Was it ever explained how the enterprise got back from going to WW2 earth? And how the Vulcans never found them even though the vulcans were researching earth at the time? Or did that timeline not happen?

>>15513412
I watched the entire series too, and I regret it almost as much as I regret watching Lost for six years.

we had reimagined Vulcans, redesigned Andorians, and FULLY UPDATED TELLARITES and they -still- fucked it up.

plus we still have no clue what a female Tellarite looks like.

>>15518405
Everything undid itself when they blew up the alien Nazi base and Daniels put the Enterprise back in their appropriate time.

Is there any hope for Discovery to not suck? It's another retarded prequel series.

>>15518539
well it has Michelle Yeoh...so, yeah there's a chance.

>>15518539
>>15518540
I think the real question is whether or not Discovery will be worse than Voyager/Enterprise. How it stacks up to these two will be important.

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>>15513566
I disapprove of skipping episodes. But it so happens that I have one of the images, but I'm not encouraging you to pay any attention to it, I'm just not being a cunt by holding out for no reason.

Seriously now. Of all Trek shows DS9 is the last one you want to skip episodes in... but I have the image so here it is.

>>15513390
It's been a long time...

>>15517647

WEW

>>15518201

>i fucking love Odo, he makes Worf look like an idiot.

And then Worf joins DS9 and still gets his ass kicked.

>>15518785
I watched Storyteller once and still regret I'll never get that hour of my life back.

>>15518615
I'm pretty sure the real question is whether CBS' poor management will doom it before it can even be judged fairly.

>>15518313
Fuck you

>>15518527
>watching Lost for six years.
You poor pitiful soul
So glad I never bought the hype

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>>15513378
>only watch one Star Trek thing
>it's the Star Trek into the Darkness movie
>Khan spends all movie getting punched and shot in the name of his crew from a faggot
>never rescues crew
>shot because some faggot got told by his future self that he was a danger
>gets refrozen thinking they're dead and he's to blame
>everyone's probably going to farm his blood because it can literally bring people back to life
What did this guy even do wrong again?

>>15519229
He was a despotic warlord in east asia during the 90s while the Eugenics wars were raging. He was a literal ubermenssch who wanted he and his ilk to be supreme.

>>15518527
One vague hope I have for Discovery is maybe we'll get to see those races written not like shit. (Jeffrey Combs aside)

Enterprise is better than Voyager and its seasons 3 and 4 are some of the best of Star Trek.

And even if his first two seasons are bad the first two seasons of TNG and DS9 are also bad.

>>15516850
Voyager was never "ok". It was always shit, from mid-way in season 1 to the very end of the show.

>>15518313
>Voyager is the ZZ of Star Trek

Voyager's redeeming feature was Seven of nine.
I think instead of Voyager we should have had the Defiant with Worf and Seven of nine in the delta quadrant.

>>15518694
Say what you will about the series, there were some interesting ship designs. The Andorian Kumari-class is especially nice.

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>>15513566
I have this one which I got from here some time ago, though you should really watch all of it.

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>>15513378
What kind of monster could hate such a beautiful ship?

>>15519765
>>15518785
Thanks, i'll probably watch everything but there were some episodes in TNG's last season that i could have lived without.

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>>15519775
Let's make sure history never forgets the name, Enterprise.

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>>15519950
Oh, they don't. Not in the ST universe

>>15513378
Fuckin piece of shit is the Unicorn of Star Trek. REEEEEEEEEE

>>15520090
That's way too harsh. Enterprise problem, but at least it's not plodding Zeonwank.

>>15513390
GOAT opening.

>>15520310
No it is a perfect analogy for Enterprise. "So there totally was like this first* Enterprise and like it was super special and important", get fucked Rick Berman!!!

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>>15520378
It was bullshit in Unicorn, but I never got why so many people don't like Enterprise's setting. Is it really so unbelievable that Earth would have its own star fleet and a history of adventures in the time between the invention of the warp drive and the formation of the Federation? Would you guys have preferred for the Federation to have formed immediately after First Contact, or for it to have already been there at that time?

>>15520407
>Would you guys have preferred for the Federation to have formed immediately after First Contact

What is wrong with that? Humanity has learned that we are not alone and it goes from there.

Would you agree that this "dropping "x" into a already existing timeline" trend needs to go? Just look at Thunderbolt fucking seriously this goes on the same time as Mobile Suit Gundam? What would be nice is if Sunrise JUST made alternate universe UC separate from already established UC.

>>15513449
Yeah, it turned out that Enterprise was a holo-program that Riker and Troi watched on their off time.

>>15520326
Damn straight

>>15520460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55LC7H8aT6M
Maximum comfy

>>15520469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4IlgtwHmA

>>15520469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urYH6xEyXw0

I honestly prefer the S3+4 version.

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I didn't like it when it originally aired, and catching it intermittently didn't help.

That said, a few years ago, I sat down and watched with my wife over the course of a few months. It's actually quite enjoyable when you accept that the seasons have certain overarching plot, like DS9, and you get to see character development in action. Doubly so for the Andorians - best blue people ever.

Plus, the Temporal Cold War has been fun material to play with in STO. Your mileage may vary, though.

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Actual GOAT opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4

The only thing DS9 did wrong was ruin the mirror universe

>>15519063
Worf kicked a lot of ass in DS9 and was a better Defiant captain than Sisko.

>>15513476
I liked the alternate universe episode where they were evil

>>15520407
>Is it really so unbelievable that Earth would have its own star fleet and a history of adventures in the time between the invention of the warp drive and the formation of the Federation?
That isn't even something Enterprise made up to begin with, so I don't get why people attribute it to it. At least as far back as TNG there's material indicating that Earth was out and about doing their own thing before the Federation.

>>15520599
best timeline

>>15518785
Could be worse, I watch TOS with no order at all. Just randomly pick.

>>15520713
for a long, loooooooooong time this was how everybody got into Star Trek because unsorted syndicated TOS on your local station (and later TAS on Nickelodeon) was all there was

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>>15520624
People would have had less of a problem with it if the ship hadn't been called Enterprise and didn't look like an upside-down Akira-class.

>>15520728
Probably a large part of why I do it that way. I started watching it on G4 and I think spike. I never saw them in order then.

>>15519033
BUT MY TIME IS FINALLY HERE

>>15520745
That reminds me, is Trek 2.0 still lost?

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>>15520762
Aside from a few sceen grabs, I'd say yeah. I enjoyed this stuff though. Watch Esquire has it in a vault somewhere.

>>15520784
I wonder if there would be a way to script some of those tickers to work with a googledrive pozzed synchtube like /1701/ on cytube.

Obviously having a live body keep a counter going for phasers fired and stuff wouldn't be feasible, but if it could be pre-programmed to run as a scripted thing for each file it could work.

Like maybe a chatbot that does updates or something.

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>>15520713
>>15520728
There's just something great about catching a random episode. That's pretty much how I watch Star Trek. Though at some point I'll go back to the beginning and watch it serially. But after that it's back to full random again.

>>15520806
I really need to xfer my ancient VHS airchecks I have from Local Station back in the day.

>>15518376
I like the one where Harry gets a math problem wrong and everyone dies, then he spends the next ten years checking his work and still can't figure it out.

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>>15520814
I'm going to assume that really is a Voyager episode, like the time Janeway fought the evil space clown.

>>15520821
It was actually a pretty good episode, too.

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>>15520821
>>15520828
Clown should have kept the mask on the entire time, would have made him more creepy like he was supposed to be

Also darker lighting in general, but 90's trek haet non-even lighting

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>>15520839
didn't read that one, but A Stitch in Time was pretty nifty knowing that it's basically the actor's character notes rewritten into novel form

>>15520821
It's Timeless, one of the best episodes of the series. Also features 7's skull.

>>15520806
I thought the one where the Doctor is reactivated hundreds of years later by an alien race and he finds out they got Voyagers run in with that race completely wrong.

apply some lateral thinking to many of the technological feats shown in star trek.

you could build a cloaked ship with a massive transporter system. which would be able to retain the data of a person. then using that transporter you could change everyone on the ship into a copy of the person in the save file.

everyone in the ship could be slowly replaced with a copy of Ensign Gary.

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>>15519775

I just watched the episode "Starship Mine"

AKA Captain Picard is John Maclaine in SPACE and kills Tuvok.

Good episode.

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>>15521057
yeah Die Hard On The 1701-D is mostly great
>>15520950
I read somebody online joking that what the historians had was how Janeway really did things and that what the show portrayed was just what she logged

obviously she reprogrammed the doctor

>>15521057
I watched that one recently. Something about a bald man being a barber seemed fishy to me.

>>15521072
>>15521080

He also shoots someone with a goddamn crossbow.

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>>15521084

>>15520839
Well, that's just unappetizing.

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>>15521057
Poor Tuvok. At least he turned his life around afterwards.

>>15521080
Jokes aside I used to visit a barber who was bald. Shaved his head because of his receding hairline.

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>>15519312
Okay.
Damn, that makes me curious about what Star Trek is really like.

>>15519064
The Muse is just as bad.

>>15521206
Picard looks like he's enjoying it.

>>15513594

i've heard it once, but i never though that i would live to see a half-Ghoul

>>15520855
so was his stealth ability like a psychic thing or maxing out his social stats or what?

>>15513586
I'd argue that TOS' weak season was the 3rd. But then again, all three seasons had their share of weak episodes.

>>15518313
Where every episode is Mondo and Beecha.

>>15513535
Janeway deserved a better crew.
Janeway should have been on 'enterprise'.

>>15519759
yes.
best enterprise design
mind you.
i also like the the movie reboot design of the enterprise a lot.

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>>15522503
>best enterprise design
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves.

>mind you. i also like the the movie reboot design of the enterprise a lot.

Well, at least you're aware.

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>>15522503
>>15524020
>best enterprise design
I'll fite ye

>Travis gimmick is he's supposed to be a great pilot due to being space-born
>Archer is an even better pilot and steals spotlight constantly
>Travis confirmed for still being an ensign in 2161

>>15522357
I think most people are discounting TOS when they say this.

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There's a lot of the ships we never get to see. Does the bowling alley close down when the Enterprise goes to red alert? Does the lifeguard shoo everyone out of the pool?

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>>15524467
Huh, there actually is a bowling alley. Thought that was a joke.

I do wonder how many (if any) of the writers looked over these kind of documents. D.C. Fontana, probably; she seems thorough.

>>15524385
>There's a lot of the ships we never get to see.
One thing I hope they try to do with Star Trek in modern times is make more sets than you would in the average Star Trek show by utilizing CG. I know this probably won't happen, but it would be nice if Discovery featured more than just hallways and a few command rooms for the ships.

So what happen with the Dominion after DS9?

Do they really just leave the Alpha Quandrant alone afterward?

>>15524647
There is basically no canon material that takes place after Nemesis, so there's not much. In the MMO the Dominion fleet that got zapped away in the wormhole suddenly appears again and is still trying to carry out their mission.

There like some book or something where they talk about how Jem'Hadar need like a ketracel-white methadone and have a very slim chance of being successfully integrated into a peacetime environment.

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Start loving Voyager

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>>15524674
>oh my god i hate this show and my vaguely racist stereotype character
>i know, i'll get out of it by asking for more and more money until they kill me off
>WTF THEY KEEP GIVING ME MORE MONEY

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>>15524456
>angled bridge

DELETE THIS

>>15525343
>vaguely racist stereotype character

Hey, that's my culture and I'm offended you would say that.

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>>15525953
I too am from Generic Native American Mishmash
long have my people suffered
Elk and Moose once told of contract meetings between studio execs, and how my people were excluded from back end residuals!

>>15525343
>>15525953
>that episode where he makes a joke about how he is the only native american that can't start a fire by rubbing two sticks together.
>captain, let me tell you about my people
>those episodes he uses native american lucid dreaming to fight the alien.

>>15525936
Why are you so upset they're trying to avoid casualties? Obviously it's to throw off enemies who may directly aim for the bridge.

>>15528082
Then maybe they should put the bridge DEEPER INSIDE THE SHIP. You'd think that by the twenty-fourth century they'd have realized

1) We keep building our ships with "emergency bridges", so they're obviously needed, but
2) Nobody ever uses them (except for a few seconds in Encounter At Farpoint and Best Of Both Worlds), and
3) When the crew really needs to regroup, they ditch the saucer and go to engineering: the place where a ship full of styrofoam-headed aliens taking pot-shots are least likely to cause a hull breach. (Because, let's face it, if anyone was seriously trying to disable a Feddie ship they'd just cut off the warp nacelles.)

>>15528160
Honestly Star Trek is a bad series to have these kind of issues with, as so much of the nuts and bolts of how shit works are heavily tied to plot convenience.

DEFLECTOR DISHES, IS THERE ANYTHING THEY CAN'T DO?

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You wouldn't

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>>15528345
>this is the same species in nu-Trek
Were they even trying? Or did they decide that Kirk sleeping with CGI furries would be too weird for a normie audience?

>>15528454
>Were they even trying?
>Or did they decide that Kirk sleeping with CGI furries would be too weird for a normie audience?
A bit of both, I'd say.

>>15528454
what, you never seen a shaved pussy?

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>>15524674

>Start loving Voyager

No.

>>15513378
This anon speaks truth. Heed his words.

>>15513378
>tfw no more mirror universe episodes.

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>>15528484
Would you have sex with someone like this?

>>15529239
A cat is fine too

>>15518151
Eh, I actually had a fairly good idea of the character of T'Pol, and the British Tactical officer, I forget his name. Especially once they brought Section 31 in. The helm officer I kinda had trouble with but I guess hes just another spirit of adventure. Oh and Hoshi needed more development. Mirror Hoshi was a revelation though.

>>15528307
at least gene roddenberry had the foresight to think up something to keep his space ships from being destroyed by micro meteorites while going through space at relativistic and warp speeds.

that little communist sci fi writer has been proven right on warp drives, teleportation, and tractor beams so far. though one is just on paper, and the others work only with photons or small groups of atoms so far.

>>15529308
>brought Section 31 in
I wish they hadn't done that. I liked the ambiguity of not knowing if Section 31 really was as old as Sloan claimed, or if he was just bullshitting Bashir.

>>15529239
No way. Hairless cats get really oily and gross.

>>15529750
FlareKirk is nastay.

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>>15517476
Stop shilling the holohoax.

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>>15529795
Stop aiding Bajoran scum.

>>15520576
Not really the entire Temporal Cold War stuff boiled down to "If Starfleet just stopped dicking with time only when it benefit's them 99% of time travel related problems would stop" the shitfest with the Lukari and Na'Kul being the best part both world get dicked over because someone fucked around with stuff from the future. the Lukari who later join the Federation must be saved and the Na'Kul who don't are left to eat shit.

Which is why the Na'Kul keep fucking around with time in the first place.

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>>15517476

>Alerts Dukat about conspiracy involving Cardassians
>THIS IS CLEARLY A PLOT TO UNDERMINE US
>Saves Dukat's life
>Dukat complains like a bitch anyway about something and never thanks Sisko
>Legitimately have a bro moment with Dukat and he meets you halfway on something to build trust
>I'VE BEEN IN SECRET TALKS WITH THE DOMINION FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS

Oh Dukat, you were such a fuck up.

>>15529358
>that little communist
Off yourself, /pol/tard. You don't even know what communism is.

>>15529877
Early tng seasons are pure Roddenberry. Where the federation is socialists and full of progressive bull.

https://youtu.be/sS7NRtEJBcA

>>15529902
>>>/pol/

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>>15513378
>we need T'paul naked for some reason
>we need to push sex in for some reason
>we need for force romance between two characters that have nothing in common
>we need to get the girls out of clothes for some reason
>Archer now has to be a time traveling super man showing that he can practically and single handedly maintain and fly the enterprise


Enterprise was by far the worst, Voyager at least attempted to have useful characters that seemed human.

>>15529727
Well tbf, I only say that because I havent seen DS9.

>>15530810
You should do something about that.

>>15530810
That's cool actually. I perceive a lot of those moments in season 4 as "pandering (badly) to fans," but if it worked for reasons other than continuity wank then it actually makes me feel a bit better about it.

>>15513594
Damn, she got ripped.

That episode where jadzia dax becomes a card carrying lesbo. Because she comes across a female trill containing the symbiote dax was married to, two hosts ago.

>>15532824
Dax episodes are shit in general. The only good one is Blood Oath, which probably would have just been a Wprf episode (and better off for it) if it had been made after Worf joined the cast.

>>15532852
I got the impression that nobody was really sure how to write Dax, so they just had her act as Generic Science Officer #412 (With Spots) and wrote "Old Man" into a few of Sisko's lines. After that sort of character became solidified, there was no hope.

The Klingon stuff was fun, but it felt pretty orthogonal to the way she was in every other episode. Personally, the best use of Dax I can remember was in If Wishes Were Horses when she remembered/imagined a historical anomaly and almost fucked over the station with it.

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>>15532923
Dax was a good idea that was ruined by both not knowing what to do with the character they created, and Terry Farell's dry acting. "Young person with several lifetimes of experience, who tries to sound wise but isn't convincing" is one of the best ideas a Star Trek could come up with for a main character, and its amazing how they squandered it. Plus her relationship with Worf was bullshit, the romance he had with Troi was more convincing given that the actors actually had chemistry. When she died I wasn't at all sad to see her go.

And then they bring in Ezri
>Oh shit, Terry's leaving and now we have to come up with a brand new Dax to take her place, and we only have one season to develop this new character
>I got you, pham
>*gives Ezri more development in one season than Jadzia got in six*

>>15532943
I like Ezri more than Jadzia, but that one episode where she visits her family is like the single most boring DS9 episode.

>>15513378
Already done, my man.

>>15521350
Well, not that. Because everyone got over that shit and entered Pax Eartha after meeting space aliums and forming the Federation, which is now a post-scarcity society where no one really has to work if they don't want and can spend all their time painting flowers or running a fucking bistro without prices.

Unless you're in some muckety-muck academic, military, or science field where there's a hierarchy of political bickering where people get bureaucratically backstabbed over limited availability of important positions, life is fucking swell on the non-frontier Federation worlds (or at least, those that follow a human civil / cultural model).

>>15530741
>we need T'paul naked for some reason
>we need to push sex in for some reason
>we need to get the girls out of clothes for some reason
You forgot:
>we need gunfights every episode
Wasn't all of that because UPN was a station for dudebros?

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>>15533003

>>15532824
>>15532852
>>15532923
>>15532943
>>15532960
This is the same Ezrifag talking to himself.

>>15533013
That looks pretty accurate.

>>15533104
The episode where Ezri visits her family IS extremely boring, though.

I keep forgetting that DS9 developed the Orion Syndicate because that's the main episode they do it in.

>>15533154
seriously that needed a b story about.. anything at all
Everybody Stands Around Worthless Whiny Bitch Dax's Family's House was probably the worst one.
At least Move Along Home and Storyteller had characters that I gave any fucks about.

>>15533165
"Also, O'Brien's here" was kind of a b story.

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Was it ever acknowledged in Voyager why (in-universe) they didn't switch uniforms when they established contact with the Federation? Some people on Stack Overflow say "replicators are expensive", but given how many shuttles they rebuild every season I think they could spare a hundred uniforms or so.

>>15533461
Not to my knowledge. The most likely explanation is that it was just really low priority and they had sort of limited bandwidth. Alternately, Janeway might've thought her crew had grown used to the uniforms and changing them would futz with morale... though you could also get an increase of morale from the "we're part of the Federation again" element.

My money's on her keeping them as a sign that the crew are part of her personal fiefdom and no one else's.

>>15533587
When in doubt, Janeway is a sociopathic monster

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>>15533601
I like it.

>>15533461
Throughout early DS9 they also use what would become the Voyager-style uniforms for the station while they keep using the TNG style uniforms on the ships. So it seems like those uniforms are supposed to be for station operations while the other uniforms are for starship operations but then Generations which has both and Voyager which uses the DS9 uniforms makes it all confusing.

In conclusion Starfleet doesn't care about uniform uniforms I guess.

>>15533643
it's like the US military.

>>15533643
They also decide to redesign the special effects of their transporters every few years.

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>>15533608
What did he do to deserve this bullshit?

>>15533692
Elicit sympathy.

>>15533692
he fell for the "Japanese women are like Japanese cartoon women" lie
all misfortune appropriate befell from there

>>15533725
real japanese women are better than their 2d representations. trust me.

unless they grew up to be like a culture in another country. then they tie with 2d.

>>15533692
It's the price he paid for ascending from nameless transporter chief to a main character in a spinoff. A monkey's paw may have been involved.

>>15533692

DS9 writers hate the Irish.

>>15533775
But the suffering started before the spin-off.
I mean sure he wasn't nameless at that point, but he wasn't a main character either.

>Show could have been about some of the first explorations of warp
>turns into WACKY TIME TRAVEL ADVENTURES IN SPPPPAAAAACCCEEE

>>15513412
>Even the ending didn't resonate as high as it could because of the slogfest of the previous seasons

No, it didn't resonate as high as it could because it was a piece of shit and insulting both to the series as a whole and to the fans of the franchise.

>>15513594
Still would.

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>>15513378
>stop hating any series that doesn't have Elim Garak

Good joke.

>>15519229
If you want to actually understand what all that shit is about forget that shitty movie and watch Space Seed and Wrath of Khan.

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>>15513594
those DSLs

>>15533877
>shitty movie and watch Space Seed and Wrath of Khan.
Into Darkness made fifty times less shit in a few minutes
>Keptim it ees old wessel
>Let's beam... Over?
>logically I am busy boning uhura and can't beam over in this timeline line
>stock footage of Ricardo
>oh sheet keptin that's Khan I recognize him because Russia wake that limey next time him
>Hi I'm John Harrington and I'm a bigger asshole than Khan I mean I'm your friend that's Khan kill him asap bro

>>15521458
The Muse was far worse.

>>15533937
I think Muse is worse from a technical perspective, but Storyteller is just draining to watch for some reason.

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>>15518007
There that Die Hard ep with Picard running around the empty Enterprise thwarting some random thieves, all while the organic-destroying ship-scrubbing wave is slowly working its way toward them. And all so he could save his saddle.

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>>15534012
Oh and he beat up Tuvok along the way.

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>>15534015
... and got a crossbow.

>>15533643
>In conclusion Starfleet doesn't care about uniform uniforms I guess.
I can understand being loose about the early-TNG uniforms, but mixing the Voyager shit with the colored shoulders and dark tunic is just confusing.
Four uniform changes in less than a decade, you have to wonder what Starfleet's allies think about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9sKeCE8V0


Who's hyped for the new Star Trek show?!

>>15534012
I knew I wasn't imagining things.

>>15534024
Other races already look down Starfleet for one reason or another, having spastic uniform designs is a drop in the bucket.

As an aside, it's always been my headcanon that Jellico is the one who lobbied for less colorful uniforms, and the relatively short turnover is the result of a hard fought tug of war between him and the chief of uniform design.

>>15534027
>Seth McFarlane is involved
Not even going to bother watching the video.

>>15524385
>There's a lot of the ships we never get to see
This triggered me when I rewatched Generations a couple years ago. We got to see a redesigned stellar cartography but never got to see much more of D than recycled TV sets, to say nothing of
>Shuttlebay 1
>Sickbay besides the one room
>the Calypso
>a Parissees Squares game
>any -D quarters with the windows facing downwards (the original sets were designed so the outer walls could flip over, but nobody bothered in any episode)

They had one movie to show us the 1701-D before wrecking it, but they got lazy with shitty lighting.

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>>15533937
>>15533996
The events of Muse are what gave Janeway the idea of falsifying records of her atrocities. Of course, she wasn't too picky about the details, which is where we get all of VOY's inconsistencies from.

Mirror Universe Janeway was a goddamn Mother Theresa.

>>15534050
>Mirror Universe Janeway was a goddamn Mother Theresa.

I love this idea. All Voyager's best episodes weren't about the actual Voyager crew anyway.

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>>15533461
>that image
Those are actually my favorite post-TOS uniforms. The colors on the shoulders are just so crisp and practical. I was disappointed when they switched to pic related which makes it harder to distinguish officer colors. It's also not as good looking imo.

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>>15534039
>Other races already look down Starfleet for one reason or another


HELLO WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN THE FEDERATION?

>Are you the guys who use four character passwords for your self destruct sequences?

WELL Y--

>And are you the guys who kept getting trapped in a time loop when you could have just turned around and left?

IT DEPENDS ON WH--

>And are so idiotic that you almost killed yourselves on a planet specifically designed for taking relaxing vacations?

NOW THAT'S JUST OVERSTAT--

>And you built a machine to create and destroy life forms for entertainment purposes, used it for decades, then realized you weren't actually sure if the results were sentient beings?

THAT'S A VERY DELICATE QUES--

>And how many times has your central command been infiltrated by hostile aliens again?

WELL I'M NOT SU--

>*click*

Enterprise is the second best Star Trek


DS9 is the best.

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>>15534072
Agreed. I was going to add in that post "or did the Voyager production team just have good fashion sense", but I decided I'd rather get an answer than provoke.

I wonder which character has worn the most different uniform styles onscreen. Probably Spock, if you count The Cage + TOS + TMP + later films, or Picard with Tapestry + Early TNG + Late TNG + First Contact-style.

Are admirals the pinnacle of Starfleet uniform non uniformity? I swear just about every single admiral seen in TNG+ is wearing something different from everybody else.

>>15534103
Picard also had that jacket and undershirt style uniform he occasionally used that IIRC we only see him ever wear.

>>15534189
Starfleet admirals do whatever the hell they want. Prime Directive? What's that? Also, 90% of them are assholes.

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>>15534191
Assholes? What on earth would make you say that?

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>>15534203
This woman managed to press all of my buttons every time she was onscreen. What a bitch!

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Hey is anyone else going to watch this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8aUuFsXRjU
It might actually be better than Discovery. I already see some Star Trek actors in it.

>>15534027
Is the Arab guy the same guy who played Bashir's father? He looks familiar

>>15534027
Oh, I don't how I missed this post (I posted >>15534288)

>>15534039
>Not even going to bother watching the video.
I hate Family Guy/American Dad, but this looks like it might have potential. Always take trailers with a grain of salt, but here's how I see it: It may be Seth McFarlane, but it's sci-fi with pleasing CG, it has adventure, it's Star Trek-like and while it may not create any thought provoking shows like "Measure of a Man", at least it'll be fun and lighthearted. Also, since Seth McFarlane is a huge Star Trek fan, I have hope for it. Especially since I know he's going to cram in as many Star Trek actors as he can.

>>15534300
Yes, you're exactly right.

>>15518785
Been rewatching DS9 thanks to this thread; a bit into season 2 now. Duet was really fucking good, the guy playing Marritza sold the shit out of that role.

>>15534288
Well, as long as it's not as totally crude as some of his other shows, sure. I can take "blue collar joe in space".

>>15534309

I think you're only seeing what you want to see, anon. To me it looks like a heartless, unfunny Galaxy Quest.

>>15534348
>I think you're only seeing what you want to see, anon.
Ironing.

>>15533877
What are the best Star Trek books and episodes? I am a pretty big scifi fan of, well, Classic Doctor Who, Doctor Who EU, UC Gundam, Gundam 00, Hyperion Cantos, Foundation etc and love a good complicated plot.

>>15534288
I think it's trying too hard to be funny. The dialogue between the blob and the captain goes for too long; it should've ended after the first "yeah, I'm fine".

>>15534027

>Norm Macdonald as a Gelatenous Slime alien

Norm should have been the captain, Seth needs to stick to voice acting.

>Discovery will fail
>Orville will succeed
Is the end of Star Trek as we know it? Will McFarlane direct the next Star Trek series?

>>15534584

Except its literally Galaxy Quest without any of the charm or humor.

>>15534588
You've seen a single trailer, stop making ridiculous prejudgements.

>>15534595
not him but I was reminded of galaxy quest but with way better special effects.

>>15534716
Of course it's similar to Galaxy Quest, seeing as they are both Star Trek parodies. My gripe was with him judging the series before ever seeing even a single episode or anything more than a short trailer. But whatever, people are going to rage about this no matter how reasonable I try to be about it.

>>15534741
Not that I'm a fan of Seth McFarlane, but as I recall, the original Galaxy Quest commercials also didn't make it look like anything special at the time. So I agree that it's silly to compare them.

One of the old AWA cons I went to had a bunch of posters up for ATTENTION QUESTARIANS YOUR FAVORITE SHOW IS BACK
GALAXY QUEST CONVENTION SOON
and so forth like it was an upcoming con
there were a few "that dude looks like Tim Allen, was this show Canadian? I've never heard of it" comments around the posters

>>15534788
holy shit that marketing was too ahead of its time.
hilarious how it went over peoples heads or maybe that was the point?

>>15534085
Bullshit like that is why Worf spent so much time on the Rotarran during the war.

>>15534821
iirc it was very early into the marketing for the movie's release
Also they were black and white like a real cheap con poster which helped a lot to sell it as a real thing for me

>>15534821
Too ahead of its time, like how everyone thought the Blair Witch Project was real, because it did market itself as real on the internet

>>15534588

Isn't there supposed to be a Galaxy Quest show in the works somewhere? Of course with Orville eating its breakfast I'm going to guess not any more.

>>15535094
I vaguely recall hearing about one in the works a couple of years back I think.

I think it would end up like Spaceballs. Sometimes dead is better.

>McFarTrek
What timeline is this?

>>15534788
>>15534902
>"that dude looks like Tim Allen, was this show Canadian? I've never heard of it"
mfw

Galaxy Quest was a surprise to me, I had very low expectations for it but wow, it was actually really good. Actually, I'd say my initial impression of it after seeing a few clips was much like my current impression of Orville. I might get surprised again, but who knows. At least now there's at least two series to look forward to.

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>>15535379
forgot my face
this is important stuff, you know

>>15524385
>>15524454
>>15524467
I could totally see Kirk trying to break the ice with some aliens by teaching them how to bowl.

>>15535458
Toronto's looking pretty sandy.

DS9 was originally going to be a station on the surface of Bajora. Where they would really try to hit up all the western elements.

The dominion war was going to have star fleet with power armor, small mechs, and all sort of crazy shit. but then the budget and state of CGI eliminated that.

>>15535513
>DS9 was originally going to be a station on the surface of Bajora. Where they would really try to hit up all the western elements.
on one hand fitting the theme of the frontier town thing would be neat, on the other hand that would mean more filthy bajorans

>>15535501
Shot on location in Jordan. Expect King Abdullah II to make his second Trek appearance at some point in Discovery.

>>15535513
>The dominion war was going to have star fleet with power armor, small mechs, and all sort of crazy shit. but then the budget and state of CGI eliminated that.
Let's just say that I'm glad it turned out the way it did.

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>>15535513
DS9 was originally meant to be an ancient space station that was used and expanded on by many different alien species.

Also, Jellico was supposed to be the commander. Can you imagine that guy as the emissary?

>>15535585
>>15535513
Is this before or after they ripped of Babylon 5?

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Discovery trailer is out

https://streamable.com/pmp54

>>15535618
I dunno how I feel it doesn't look awful I'll give it that, but I'm not super excited either. Then again it's just a trailer.

I will say this production quality looks nice for a straight to online TV series. Better than I was thinking at least.

>>15535618
It looks pretty good how come it's not on TV?

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>>15535618
I really don't know what to say

>>15535659
>we wuz kangonz

>>15535656
CBS has gotten so used to playing it safe with middling police dramas, they're shunting Star Trek online as a way to test the waters with it's popularity. Also hoping fans desperate for a new series will subscribe to All Access in droves.

>>15535659
Are these supposed to be Klingons, or some race like them?

I know we see the Klingon signatures, but between these guys looking so different, and having forehead ridges (you know whole Augment virus thing from ENT) I wonder if these guys aren't some other race and the Klingons are working with them/doing something regarding them as well.

If it's klingons looking like the Kangz, I'm gonna be pissed.

>>15535722
Ancient Klingons supposedly.
What if they're the Fek'Ihri? The ancient enemies of the Klingons that Kahless was supposed to have conquered using the Sword of Kahless like two thousand years ago?

>>15535618
So basically it's AbramsTrek: The series?

>>15535736
If the whole thing is a decent answer to "How come that thing's in the Gamma quadrant, anyway?" I might even consider watching it.

>>15535736
That'd actually be pretty neat, and it'd get my ass in the seat, so to speak.

>>15535750
That, uhh, was supposed to be spoilered. "test" "test"

>>15535750
It wouldn't touch that at all. The Hur'q are the ones that stole the sword and took it to the Gamma Quadrant like 500 years after Kahless conquered the Fek'Ihri. It'd already be long gone by this point.

>>15535821
Right. I forgot there were established ruins that led them there, I thought it was just a wrecked ship or a trace of DNA or anything that could have been sent through relatively recently.

>>15535736
Maybe this is the botched first contact with the klingons that caused the war. ENT never addressed it after all, so obviously the Broken Bow encounter wasn't that one.

>>15535618
>>15535749
I dunno but alot of JJ prise styled elements are present.

Honestly the trailer says a whole lot of nothing beyond 'Look Not!Klingons Rawr!" and "Look yet another cliche strong asertive female" so theres not much to judge.

>>15535618
Netflix South American trailer is different. Some minor new scenes. Less lensflares. Overall feels like a better trailer than the CBS one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeB-_XjcTNs

I'm getting the vibe that she's a half Vulcan who went full human, like Spock went full Vulcan.

>>15534309
Alright, I caved in and watched it. I retract my former disdain. It actually looks pretty decent, and the trailer seemed to dial-down a lot of McFarlane's usual comedy beats (at least up until the Ex-Wife/Number One showed up. I'll give it a watch.

>>15535618
This on the other hand... I'm going to have to see another trailer before I decide how I feel about this. Seems like it's leaning way to heavily on Enterprise and the reboot movies in terms of atmosphere, but maybe that's just me.

I don't even want to get into the "main" character. An angry badass who's destined for greatness but has to overcome her temper first. Never seen that before. Also she's... Half-Vulcan for some reason. Well, okay then.

I have to ask, that Shenzou (is it still the Shenzou?) looks pretty neat, if not a little too modern for the era.

>>15535931
Weird how some different editing makes it look less like giant budget fanfiction and more like ham fisted Star Trek.

>>15535513
Who makes up these rumours? This is obviously bollocks. The Dominion weren't even dreamed up when the shows was still in the conceptual phase.

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CLUMSY HUMAN TONGUE

>>15535857
This show takes place a long time after ENT time frame. They are just using the wrong uniforms for the time period they set it in.

>>15536196
If they used the old 1960's one's you'd have tumbler throwing a tantrum and every scandal hungry asshat wannabe journalist smearing it over every tv channel.

>>15535871
>Look yet another cliche strong asertive female
>cries like a bitch when T'Daddy tells her she's shit
Oddly enough like every other Vulcan-raised character.

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J A P A N E S E
R O B R O

>>15536261
actually nevermind it's just a daft punk helmet
fuck.

>>15536220
How would sweaters cause an outrage? For this time period they should be wearing the uniform we saw in The Cage. Which was everyone wears a sweater and pants

But personally I prefer the TOS mirror universe uniforms the best.

>>15536244
So were going for reverse Spock with tits for the captain.

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>>15536268
Titspock isn't the Captain, she's a Commander and the First Mate of the ship. Essentially, Sassy Black Riker is our MC; Captain Asian Lady hasn't given her a command of her own just yet, just noting that maybe she's ready for one.

>>15536277
Thats actually worse. Sassy black girl was done to death by the end of the 1970's.

>>15536285
i was making a joke with the sassy part
like i'm sure michelle yeoh's character isn't "captain asian lady"

>>15535750
hahaha these fuckheads couldn't even think "hey trek nerds have used acronyms for every trek for three decades, maybe STD isn't the way to go"
they couldn't tell a klingon from a quadrant

>>15536293
Yeah, that's why we're always going on about STE and STV, right.
We're just gonna call this one DIS.

>>15536298
>DIS.
like a slang term for an insult is better?

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>>15536308
Better than naming your sci-fi show after a giant sentient tree-man.

>>15536318
>someone wrote this

Just let that sink in

>>15536530
tbf our culture probably seems really stupid to aliens

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>>15536308
>slang term for an insult

There are much worse meanings for "Dis".

STD is literally the worst acronym, why would they do that? You know that everyone who dislikes the series is going to call it that

>>15536716
People that dislike it would find something stupid to call it regardless of what it's really called.
And the official acronym is DSC; they never include the ST.

>>15536691
Honestly, my first thought these days is ~ Astranagant.

>>15536691
>Jerusalem
This will never not make me laugh

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>>15513390
>>15519033
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