French mecha

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You should ask for African/Israeli mecha now, France is no more.

>>15504328
>Israeli mecha
We're talking about Europe, not the US.

>>15504323
>filename

kek

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>>15504316
Pic related.

Btw, France is officially doomed. Farewell Europe.

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>>15504323
>Needing to cheat and have other people bail them out to win.
Sounds like typical britbong behavior.

>>15504323
>England later grows fat, overweight, and explodes after his ammo cooks because he got shot in the torso

Pottery.

>>15504316
RIP France.

>>15504316
France is dead. They doomed themselves.

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>this many ass-damaged /pol/lacks
You guys don't deserve /m/.

>>15504353
>>15504439
Fuck off, fascists. you are not getting control of every country.

>>15504316
You mean Euro-West Region confirming their status, right?

>>15504467
But Marcon won the election.

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>>15504468
>tfw you won't become a future Soviet satellite state
it's a good feel

>>15504316
>What are some good French Mecha?

They aren't too much into humanoid robots, but their fictional flying machines are pretty great.

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It's got a cape and a long sword so it's an honorary French mech.

Can someone explain to me what happened with France ?
I don't follow politics.

>>15504484
Had to choose between globalist and nationalist.
Chose globalist.

>>15504484
The centrist candidate, Macron, beat the omega-far-right candidate, Le Pen, and crushed the hopes of all the /pol/ and the_donald redditors who were hoping for a fascist sweep of Europe and the death of the EU so they can post more memes about how brown people suck and Putin is their new daddy.

They are predictably throwing a fit.

>>15504489
>nationalist candidate
>literally propped up by another country's money
bro, that's globalism

>>15504490
>beat the omega-far-right candidate, Le Pen

She's anything but a nazi. It's just in modern climate, politicians throw around nazi monickers with the same eagerness people do with autism on 4chan.

>>15504484
Instead of voting for the socialist candidate backed by Russia and Drumpf, they voted for the centrist capitalist. Ergo, they are "doomed".
Though I highly expect the only people saying that are either Americans with absolutely no clue on what Europe is really like or what the EU is, and relies on deliberately misinformative people like Stefan Molymeme to tell them what they should think. Or Russian shills. Considering how the fake Macron "leaks" from /pol/ were made by software set to Russian, it's more likely the latter.

>>15504484
Le Pen is the candidate of the Front National, which recently tried to purge the more visible Neo-Nazi members in a bid to appear respectable. It did not work., mainly because the citizenry knew that they'd be welcomed back five seconds after her win.

Incidentally, this month is also the month where most of France celebrates the end of Vichy France.

>>15504502
>fake Macron "leaks"
Shit bait. His campaign even admitted they were real, what the fuck?

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>>15504490
You forgot the best part, Russia tried to interfere in the French election and by hacking Macron and flooding the information with fake information.

But the French people andmedia weren't retards and actually caused the vote to go further in Macron's favor.

>>15504500
>reads "omega-far-right"
>immediately jumps to scream NOT A NAZI
You said it, not me, friendo.
she's a nazi just like her daddy
showed off so much of her disgusting shit this year re: fascism and slurping putin's knob that her vote tally's down from the last few elections and she demoralized conservative French voters, leading to a historically low turn-out

>>15504316
>I put someone else's work on a french flag I totally deserve credit for this.

fucking, deviantart

>>15504500
Okay? No one even said Nazi. She's still far right.

>>15504466
You'd think Gundam fans of all people wouldn't be nationalistic, seeing as in pretty much every Gundam show there's some form of globalism going on and the shows overall have a pretty anti-nationalistic sentiment.

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>>15504358

>French MS has dozens of funnels
>ENGLISH CHEATING BASTARD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

>>15504510
You gotta keep up. The vast majority of the e-mails were real, but the leakers slipped in fake ones that hold all the supposedly incriminating stuff. Problem is, they're rife with Cyrillic metadata.

This is basic shit. I hack your e-mails and release them. You, knowing you didn't do anything terrible, confirm you were hacked and the e-mails are legitimate. What you don't know is that somewhere in all the gigs of shit I posted online, there's e-mails I completely made-up talking about how you want to snort coke and fuck little babies. People see this and think it's real, because you confirmed "the e-mails are real".

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>>15504510
Apparently it was a mix of real information and fake information, which is probably true. Also, what other fucking country elects a guy who married his middle school teacher who's 25 years older than him and has children that are as old and older than him. Goddamn, what a guy.

>>15504520
Most people don't derive their politics from TV shows. I hope.

>>15504523
Okay Alex Jones.

>>15504517
I'm pretty sure that's just how deviantart handles all its filenames by default. Whatever you upload has the filename you select appended with "_by_yourusername"

>>15504510
Some were real, a lot was fake.
http://www.numerama.com/politique/254983-compte-offshore-demmanuel-macron-une-intox-venue-de-4chan.html

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Does fantasy wooden power armor count ? It's from a french comic.

>>15504467
>anything I don't like is fascism

I know this is bait, but stuff like this is why people can't take progressives seriously these days in the US.

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>>15504489
Neither option was good. Le Pen's stance on immigration was far too extreme. She wanted to cap legal immigration at 10 000 persons per year, but Macron's neoliberalism and blind eye to islam is equally saddening.

>>15504490
>Le Pen
>far right
Only on stuff like immigration. She wants more internet freedom, wants to keep retirement age at 60, wants to take more care of France's territories abroad, is against forced privatisation. There's good part of left in her.

If she was voted in, she would be far better for France than neocon Trump ever will be for the USA.

And if you ever seen her speak, she's far more eloquent and intelligent than Trump will ever be.

>>15504346
It's both.

>>15504490
>memes about how brown people suck
>facts are memes

>>15504521
>Get your head blown off and be disqualified from the tournament
>Still get to go to the finals
HON HON HON

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>>15504531
Man, Alex Jones wishes he could hit upon a conspiracy that's actually that grounded and part of standard cyberespionage water-muddying.

Instead he's on about extradimensional goblins vomiting through HAARP and using mind control rays on all the elites so they fuck children and build a supercomputer which will achieve the Singularity and merge them all with the Satan Force which exists on another layer of reality.

No, seriously. He believes in fucking Dark Force, straight out of Phantasy Star. Also, chili so spicy that you forget your children.

>>15504531
>Most people don't derive their politics from TV shows. I hope
You'd be surprised. But what I meant was that someone with strong nationalistic sentiments probably wouldn't take too kindly to a show that consistently portrays nationalism as some sort of petty conflict from the past. Sure you could argue that people can still enjoy a show without bringing their politics into it, of course, but most people aren't exactly known to do that are they.

>>15504500
>She's anything but a nazi.
She denied that Vichy France rounded up Jews to send to the oven. Her dad hired the scum that was responsible for this. She attempted to quit her party and pretend she was a moderate until today, when she announced she was going to slap more wallpaper over the swastikas for the Front.

Far as I'm concerned, she's a Nazi.

>>15504542
>It's both.
One country has a leader who physically bows to the wishes of Israel, does its every command, and stacks the entire cabinet of its government and the upper echelons of the nation entirely with Zionists and people of Jewish descent, including his own family members who also happens to be Israeli supremacists.
The other is a supranational organisation seeking closer economic, political and social integration for the prosperity of all its peoples, Jewish or not.

>>15504549
The whole "respectable" far-right charade was paperthin, only idiots actually believed it.

>>15504549
>She denied that Vichy France rounded up Jews to send to the oven.
She did no such thing.

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Less meta posting, more mecha.

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>>15504536
More. There was a spidery one but I can't find it on internet

>>15504538
We have a fairly comprehensive list of things that define fascism and /pol/'s darlings tick them all. If there's anyone misusing the word, it's them when they say "antifa are also fascists". Being a violent douchebag who doesn't believe in others' right to speak their mind isn't fascism.

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>you will never have a ro-bro this French

>>15504557
-/politics/articles/2017-04-09/le-pen-says-france-not-responsible-for-nazi-s-vel-d-hiv-round-up

>”I think France is not responsible for the Vel d’Hiv," Le Pen said during an interview on RTL radio. "I think in a general way, more generally actually, those responsible were those in power then, this is not France.”

For the record, Vichy France bent over and spread their legs for Germany.

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>>15504563
Can't seems to find more, maybe I'll scan some tomorow if the shitposting doesn't send this thread into auto-sage.

This is from aquablue btw

>>15504584
Yeah I'm aware of what she said. If you think she was denying it happened, then you're a fucking dumbo.

>>15504489
>The nationalist are bot supported by the Russians and by Americans

Honestly, you can't get any more disgusting.

Marcon's an asshole technocrate, but at least he isn't literally a puppet to both the Russians and the Americans at the same time.

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French version is actually bretty gud imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GA2Nn7RXZ4

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>>15504591
Not mecha but might as well since it's related to the two first pictures.

>>15504581
I loved this guy.

>>15504584
That's less denying it was done and more "b-but they weren't the REAL France so it doesn't count".

I'm not defending her, she's terrible. But let's not exaggerate either.

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You know what happened in france today?

Macron won

>>15504592
Denying responsibility. It's the same. Vichy or not, the French were all accomplice to one of the worst horrors in human history.

>>15504591
I love me some rounded mecha.

>>15504592
She denied Vichy France's responsibility and tried to pass all blame to Germany, sheltering Les Collaborateurs from their actions.

Death to traitors.

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>>15504602

>>15504564
Honestly believing the current US administration is equivalent to Nazi Germany is pretty delusional.

I don't care about /pol/, or the alt-right, or whatever else they're parroting.

I am solely talking about the US. I am criticizing people who genuinely believe the Republicans are like the Nazis.

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pls clap

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>>15504602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxh07tT52ys
you son of a bitch

>>15504607
>Denying responsibility. It's the same.
No it isn't. You said she denied it happened. You're a fucking retard and, as such, a good representative of Le Pen's opposition.

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>>15504467
>>Accusing others of doing what you do.
GTFO, Alinsky's dog - and don't forget to adopt Mohammed to fuck your ass, faggot.

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>>15504600
Apparently requiem is drawn by some french dude

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Literally the first Kamen Rider.

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>>15504631

>>15504607
>>15504609
I hope that goalpost has wheels. Don't want you to get tired out from shifting it so much.

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>>15504637
woops, I though he had cybernetic enhancement and shit.

>>15504627
>he doesn't go swimming in a full body suit
enjoy your melanoma, skinhead
lmao

>>15504648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEoPUATj9ig

Watching French politicians debate is a far cry from what you get in the US.

They actually talk about the real issues, generally know what they are talking about, and don't spout as much empty rhetoric as Hillary Clinton.

>>15504654
BAW GAWD THEY KILLED HIM
THAT ROBOT HAD A SEQUEL

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>>15504656
Both Trump and Hillary spouted empty rhetoric.

The difference was when Le Pen lied and acted like a lunatic, and unlike in America, the social media in France pilloried her for it.


If this were G-Gundam, what sort of special attack would Le Pen's hand gestures do?

>>15504656
yeah but at then end of the day it's still the frogs so who even fucking cares if they have thorough debate about who to surrender to

>>15504316

>seizing their destiny
>new president walks out to somebody else's anthem for his victory

France is fucked. Sage for not-/m/.

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>>15504316

Pretty cool as far as delta wing planes go

Le Pen would have been the better choice, but seeing as the problems won't be fixed under Macron, but doubled down upon, she'll probably win next time.

Both candidates were awful. Le Pen was a total socialist while Macron is literally ersatz-Hollande but even more pro-EU. Both have retarded economic policies, Le Pen was better with immigration but worse on homosexuality while Macron is up there with Merkel.

Regardless, we're going to see France disappear politically over the next thirty years both demographically and politically. Their economy will continue to stagnate as neither candidate had any desire to introduce proper reforms and violence will continue to escalate.

>>15504661
Not really. The difference is that Trump lied, a lot, while Clinton only had empty rhetoric.

>>15504664
> about who to surrender to
This joke is pretty stale, and it only comes from the US. Get over it, WW2 was a long ass time ago. I mean, holy shit, ever heard of Napoleon? I'm not even French, but even I can admire France's military history.

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>>15504677
If it's good enough for an Ace Combat Ace Squadron, it's good enough for me to try and pilot.

>>15504661
>The difference was when Le Pen lied and acted like a lunatic, and unlike in America, the social media in France pilloried her for it.
Well it doesn't help unlike Trump, who built his entire campaign on acting like a maniac as a sign of honesty, she built hers as "the voice of the small people", as a "truer" France compared to Macron's economy-centric ideas, posed in her country home with her bunch of cats, etc, only to completely freak on that last debate and shatter the image they tried so hard to build.
Some people think that cost her the entire thing, but considering it wasn't exactly close (Macron got twice as many votes) I doubt it.

>>15504661
Her fingers bend back after the proximal phalanx and reveal missiles which shoot out all rapid-fire like but it doesn't make any sense because how could you fit so many missiles in the hand and we already know there's no mechanism for getting them out of the arm or body because we've seen the wrist joints when she rocket punches.

>>15504684
Yeah I doubt the whole "Le Pen lost at the debate" thing too, she lost it long before that, but that debate was the final nail in the coffin for her, completely drove away the undecided voters.

>>15504693
She'd lost all the non-crazy right-wingers in France before that. The voter turnout today was really, really low. Tons of conservative French voters opted to stay at home rather than hold their nose and tick Macron, and trusted in the rest of the country to give him the numbers to trounce Le Pen.

>>15504674
>but seeing as the problems won't be fixed under Macron

What exactly are the major problems in France?

>>15504547
Isn't part of Jone's shtick at this point intentional memeing so he could pretend to be a a performance artist and get custody of his kids?

>>15504677
nah they're surrendering to the islams pretty good now

>>15504661
I want to fuck that old french grande dame with my brown cock

>>15504681
>Cocoon Squadron
BK confirmed beta orbiter

>>15504702
That court claim of his was just
>I was only pretending to be retarded
It's not like he ramped up the crazy during the case to try and lend credence to his "performance" claim. He's always been a nut. He walks around naked but for fingerless gloves and grunts at the moon.

>>15504700
Heavily depleted strategic baguette preserves,
declining levels of smug (although being able to hold "we didn't elect a moron" over America will solve this quickly),
and low sales of spindly cigarette holders.

>>15504531
>Most people don't derive their politics from TV shows. I hope.
most of the Trump-related crying I see relies on Harry Potter and other children's media

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>mfw the future of the EU is secured
>France's nukes will be confiscated
>Britain will be forced to stay in the EU since they can't pay their 100 billion euro bill
Feels good to be playing a part in the creation of a new empire.

>>15504490
>They are predictably throwing a fit.
Hon hon hon!

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>>15504738
>waaaaah you can't have a united europe, it'd never work
>mfw

>>15504520
Considering how corrupt the EF is through out all of early UC and how stagnant and ineffective they are in late UC, Gundam is the worst example of globalized leadership you could pick to highlight it. The Earthnoid elite ignoring the plight of the common Spacenoid should be a cautionary tale against the smug elitism of globalists.
Gundam should teach you that there are good people on both sides despite their shitty leaders though, not that nationalism in particular is bad despite that being Tomino's general sentiment because of his generation.

>>15504747
>>15504738
>China, Japan, and Korea will bury the hatchet and take over Russia to form the PAC
>Europe industrializes Africa and absorbs its precious resources but it's not colonialism this time so no one cares
>the US and Canada will team up to fix all of Mexico's shit once most of Florida and Louisiana fall into the sea and the rest of the South is forced to get on board
>everyone will bully South Brazilia

Reminder that Gundam 00 predicted the European Union.

>>15504563
>>15504600
The west has been multicultural for the better part of a century and fucking comic book artists still don't know what Asians look like. At least the Japs have an excuse because they're a sheltered microcosm on an island and they still do a better job representing their white caricatures. We've been in the west for generations now, would it kill you to fucking draw us right and not just like white people with the most racist, stereotypically chinkiest eyes?

>>15504760
The EU was founded in 1993, anon.

>>15504747
Well, Europe and the US are both made of various ethnic/racial groups that hate each other.

>>15504751
A unified humanity is a common theme in Gundam, everyone sticking with the old "us vs. them" mentality of old is portrayed as a bad guy in Gundam. Also, given the structure of power between Earth and space colonies, the corrupt EF would be more a criticism of centralization of power in general.

>>15504760
Nigga what the fuck

This whole election was depressing.
Fillon had it in the bag until he royally fucked himself over (I'm not talking about the thing with his wife and kids in itself but more the massive levels of asshatry he showed in trying to deal with the fallout).
The socialist party turned into a joke. They chose a leader, and then proceeded to completely abandon him to all go their own way.
Dupont-Aignan's attempt to pretend that Le Pen was some kind of successor to De Gaulle because she promised him the prime minister seat if he voted for her was just sad.
Ultimately the one who won was the milquetoast guy who most people had as a backup plan until the sheer disappointment provided by everybody else made him the winner.

Macron better ace this shit. Because if he doesn't, if the "alternative" president keeps the disappointment going after the sadness of Sarkozy and Hollande's respective tenures, then the entire country will just stop giving a shit about politics entirely.

>>15504484

putin and putin backed cock suckers lost

>>15504764
>1993
Wayyyy before that, actually, it simply got rebranded as EU in 93 with the teatry of Maastricht, it went through a couple different names before that.

>>15504484
/pol/ is butthurt that a reasonable candidate won

>>15504777
>the entire country will just stop giving a shit about politics entirely
France loves their politics. Those fuckers know how to turn out to vote. The US could learn a thing or two about voter engagement.

I mean, their turn out this year blew, but that's more all the right-leaning guys staying home because Le Pen is a garbage person.

>>15504751
>EFF never shown to be more corrupt than any much smaller government
>only ineffective because the plot demands that the space equivalent of Wyoming shoved into the area of Rhode Island can be a threat
>EFF's one world government presided over the longest era of peace and prosperity in the world's history
>we're expected to believe government an Earth Sphere government is too large and must necessarily be unwieldy due to the distances involved despite routine Earth-moon transit and totally bullshit and nonsensical future tech like "laser communications satellites"
>the solution to the "evil and corrupt earth government that doesnt' care about the plight of the spacenoids or proper democratic representation" is a batshit insane -=>MONARCHY<=- that has no qualms genociding half of humanity (starting with "fellow" spacenoids) and is less centrally located to the other Sides than Earth

>>15504564
Fascism requires Totalitarianism, and the EU is far more totalitarian than the FN. Wanting to preserve your native population and protect them from abuse and trrorism is not exclusive to fascism.

>>15504786
>reasonable

>>15504780
It wasn't a political union before that, though. It was purely a trade thing. The European Coal and Steel Community became the European Economic Community which then became the EU.

>>15504528
>a guy who married his middle school teacher who's 25 years older than him and has children that are as old and older than him
No matter how many times I hear this, I can't help but think of a manga plot. Bless you, France.

>>15504803
4chan is refusing to let me post most of Macron's quotes. Weird.

>“This imponderable threat, this threat, will be a fact of daily life in the coming years.” (in regards to an Islamist killing a cop)

>>15504806
Trade deals are intrinsically political, and trade deal still make up the focus of the EU. The political aspect of it is comparatively very vague.

>>15504792
>>EFF never shown to be more corrupt than any much smaller government
What? They passively approved of Haman's geographic cleansing of Earthnoids (and retroactively agreed with Gihren's plan to reduce the human population by several billion). Not to mention the gassings the Titans were allowed to do, and nuking their own base full of their own soldiers.

This is stuff a backwater dictatorship does, not any modern government. At least not to its own citizens and soldiers.

>>EFF's one world government presided over the longest era of peace and prosperity in the world's history
No, that would be the Venusians who implemented SU-Cordism. At a minimum they were at peace for the 500 years between G-Reco and Turn A if you consider Gym's nonsense a war.

>>15504812
I know you can't post the one where he says France doesn't have a culture, at least.

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>>15504316
>Europe
Okada was rigth at least for this.

>>15504834
It doesn't have its own unique national culture. The outrage against Macro is just /pol/-tier outrage over how European culture USED to be. That's why every time you press them they have to resort to going back hundreds of years or relying on memes like one off festivals or holidays, as if such minor events constitute a culture.

>>15504841
00's power blocs make a lot more sense

>>15504823
Don't forget the Titans were the Federation and tried to cover up the 30 bunch genocide, but when they finally had to bring it to trial because of public outcry, they didn't even convict anyone.

You know, even people in Zeon didn't like the that snake Cima who gassed a colony, even if it was necessary for the war. But it's okay when the Federation does it. And even worse, totally unnecessary.

>>15504841

this would only makes sense if Australia added to blue

then we could say we lumped the worst shitposters into economic blocs with blue being the worst

>>15504858
>the group formed in response to spacenoid genocide to rein in spacenoids which was secretly coopted by spacenoids doing something bad means the EFF is literally Space Hitler like Zeon
Nice try, Burger King.

>>15504863
This on top of the fact that the Titans did literally nothing wrong.

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>>15504841
>all them years in the future
>no one wants Greenland yet
Fuckers.

>>15504863
>This damage control from Federation Dogs
I had to check to make sure I wasn't posting on /pol/ for a moment there is so much delusion in that post.

>>15504871
>more lies from the Home of the Whopper

>>15504841
>Alaska part of Canada
>part of Eastern Canada part of US

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>>15504876
>Trying to defend 'FEDERATION WUZ GUD BOYZ DIDN DU NOTHIN!' The post

>>15504888
I hope they go and drop the Earth on your podunk colony.

>>15504328
>>15504346
Now that I think of it, there wasn't a Neo Israel Gundam was there

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>>15504895
no real ones

>>15504502
>>15504511
I don't see what the point of the leak was, there was nothing particularly damning in them aside from the fact that he most likely was a tax evader. And considering he's rich, that should surprise no one.

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>>15504902
all I have

A world government like Gundam's Earth Federation is the future, thanks to multiculturalism.

Nation states have lost their meaning, and the Earth is slowly becoming a world nation.

>>15504547
>Also, chili so spicy that you forget your children.

Which poses the question, do I have children and just not remember it?

>>15504909
Nah, smaller nations are just losing their power so they're gathering around larger blocs. It's hardly the first time large states have been the dominant power.

>>15504909
>tfw our children or grandchildren will be able to import Japanese vidya and robot cartoons auto-translated to seven different languages without jacked up prices or delay
FREUDE SCHÖNER GÖTTERFUNKEN
TOCHTER AUS ELYSIUM

>>15504627
I don't get this mindset where you have to be one extreme end of politics or the other like it's a zero sum game.

The reality is most americans just don't plain give a shit one way or the other. That's why only half the population ever bothers to vote, no matter how much people play up that one candidate or the other will ruin everyone's lives. The highest voter turnout in US history was still less than 45%.

>>15504677
>ever heard of Napoleon
A Corsican, meaning he's ethnically Italian more than French.

>>15504903
The Russians had the same objectives as they did with the with the Clinton e-mails, it amounted to a bunch of 'wow, it's fucking nothing', but the point was to throw in enough fake information to make them doubt the candidate and not vote for them. The Russians waited until the last minute because a day before voting there is a blackout on election campaigning and coverage so they hoped to dump what they found (including the forged incriminating evidence.) And have it spread around social media, which was the major vehicle for how the lies about Clinton where spread in the US election.

The real difference is the French media actually has standards about what they report so while American news media would say it's a leak and jump the gun and say it's all true. French media held back (not only because it was required by law) but also to confirm the validity and to see where it came from. In this case, it was real, but there was no damning evidence, minus the forged stuff planted by the Russians.

What further complicated things for the attack was that everyone was expecting the Russians to do it because they had a clear preference in candidates and they did it before (Not only the American elections but tried to break into Macron's e-mails in the past). All it did was solidify Macron's base. Also it doesn't help that extreme right wing groups out of places like /pol/ who flooded the internet with memes weren't able to get traction with anything they posted because of the cultural divide since a vast majority of them are Americans. And they wrote all the memes they spammed to the French in English

>>15504930
>lies about Clinton
Such as?

>>15504738
Yeah but whose empire

>>15504923
>we'll never abolish the electoral college so people in "safe" states feel compelled to vote
>we'll never make election day a federal holiday and hold it on a saturday or some shit instead
This is why turnout will remain shit, as intended.

>>15504936
Germany with the REAL 32-D zero-g mancala
>we lost two world wars to lull you into a false sense of security

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>>15504930
>Russians interfered
You really believe this bullshit, don't you?

>>15504767

Yeah but the difference is that what it means to be American you basically just have to uphold certain ideals, even if you weren't born there. To be French or German or Spanish or whatever, it's tied purely to your blood and place of birth. The latter is inherently exclusive and creates societal divisions.

>>15504934
Pizzagate, and selling the uranium were the ones that stuck.

Also while this is getting extremely off topic. here's some supplementary material if you want to read about how /pol/ tried to get involved in the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/technology/french-elections-alt-right-fake-news-le-pen-macron.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-hack-french-election-marine-le-pen.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-hacking-attack-what-we-know-and-dont-know.html

>>15504945
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/860749464700686336

>>15504942
I still don't understand what the big deal about Germany ruling the EU is, sure they're one of it's biggest members and of the big EU nations probably the one most pro-EU of the bunch. Also, being one of the richest nations, they buy off a lot of debt from the poorer countries which makes them even more influential. But even so, to pretend that Germany is somehow calling all the shots in the EU is ridiculous, their influence is super limited.

Why is being against unrestricted immigration a "far right" stance now?

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>>15504937
>abolish the electoral college
>only high-density population center's votes really matter now
>NYC and LA decide elections every time regardless of turnout elsewhere
>rest of the country stops bothering because one party always wins based on the whims of the cities
Yeah real brilliant.

>>15504957
>decide to check out that tweet
>take one look at the account's description
>first word is "Feminist."
Yeah no

>>15504945
>my friends at /pol/ know more than oodles of cybersecurity firms and decades-long intelligence and politics experts
>you just can't see it because you're not gulping down brain-enhancing silver-impregnated iodine pills from InfoWars.com/store

>>15504950
And?

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>>15504936

>>15504950
It goes far deeper than that really, even within the nations there exists a lot of division. Just look at Italy, people consider themselves to be Toscani, Romani or whatever before they consider themselves Italian. There's a really big "my village is better than your village" mentality in Europe.

>>15504930

The Clinton e-mails honestly had nothing bad in them, the controversy was that she "conveniently" deleted some before any hearing.

It was the DNC emails that actually had damning information in them.

>>15504970

My point is multiculturalism will never work in Europe, while it can work to some degree in the US.

>>15504975
>"my village is better than your village" mentality
Makes sense, since that is true.

>>15504968
The cybersecurity firms weren't saying that, they were saying that the malware in the DNC leaks was commercially available Ukrainian malware (so fucking anyone could have used it) and Podesta, who's password was fucking password got caught up in a phishing scheme. And why the hell would anyone trust the fucking CIA/FBI/NSA of all organizations who literally exist to lie, subvert, and spy on other nations? May I remind you of Clapper testifying to congress that the NSA was not mass spying on Americans though bulk collection? How fucking dumb are you to believe the media or intelligence agencies which all have their internal politics?

>>15504987

That's impossible, because MY village is better. You're just jealous.

>>15504600
>I feel like I should go back into reading Ekko, but I forgort where I stopped.

>>15504937

Abolishing the EC is one of those things that sounds good on paper but not so much in reality. It lies in the idea tha 1 man = 1 vote is not a system that can majorly backfire. It's meant to be a check and balance on the people, and generally if you think it should be just a pure democracy in that sense, then well you have a better opinion of our species than I do. For example, if it was simply up to a vote in the populace, full civil rights would not have passed until the 1980s. People say "oh well if the majority votes to oppress the minority, that's when we have things like the constitution to stop that", but why is that allowed as a check and balance but not the electoral college, which is inherently designed to prevent overcentralization of power?

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>white people
>too caught up in materialistic bullshit
>refuse to breed and raise families out of selfish reasons
>get mad when their governments start replacing them wholesale with a new taxable cattle herd.

Impregnate 40 white bitches a day if you care about your race so much.

>>15504841

>Europe
>part of the African Union

>>15504965
There are more Republicans in LA than Democrats in Wyoming. The EC disenfranchises more people than the popular vote could ever do.
>only high-density population centers' votes really matter now
This is how I know you don't understand the situation. By virtue of following the popular vote, EVERY VOTE, REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS CAST, IS EQUALLY AS VALID AS EVERY OTHER VOTE. The only thing that would change under this system is that politicians would spend more time in dense population centers rather than Bumblefuck, Iowa. That doesn't mean Bumblefuck's votes don't matter, it's just not efficient to go there.

And no one really cares about Bumblefuck anyway. The most policy deference they get is more government subsidies for whatever shitty farming-related industry they have out there, be it corn or milk or cheese or whatever the fuck. Somehow, all the decades of Republican governance haven't improved the lot for the rural bumpkin despite their vote being what propels them, in large part, to power. They're only useful during election time, and only then if there's a chance their state might swing the other way.

Look at all the pandering our politicians do to the coal industry. You'd think it was enormous and monstrously important given how much time it takes up in debates or policy speeches and campaign promises and party platforms.

And yet, individual fast food chains employ more people than the entire coal industry, INCLUDING the people who just deliver and resell it or repair the furnaces that burn it, nevermind the miners alone. Take note, I didn't say "the fast food industry", I said INDIVIDUAL CHAINS. McDonalds has more employees in the US than the whole coal industry. Burger King does. Arby's does.

And compared to other energy industries, coal is still shit. The solar industry employs more people and is experiencing massive growth while coal continues to shrink. Did any candidate feel the need to suck off solar's dick? No.

>>15505025
Given the way things are headed in Europe, it makes sense really.

>>15504968
>American intelligence agencies caught with tools and plans to spy on American citizens among several allies' citizens
>you can totally trust them!

I really hate America's left and right. How the fuck did the left become pro-Totalitarian? We used to be the party of you know, FOSS and resisting the government's attempts to violate our every right to privacy.

>>15505011
Shitskin please learn how to function like an actual human being before shitposting again

>>15505029
The last election would have had an entirely different result without the EC, and it's solely because of California.

>>15505033
If the government isn't violating out privacy how are we supposed to find and imprison racist fascist wrongthinkers?

>>15504937
Abolishing the EC would just let NYC, California and Texas decide every election. No thanks.

>>15504963
Because being in favor of immigration is an inherently liberal stance.

Also, the predominate immigrants in the West these days are brown people immigrating to predominate white countries. It's very easy to paint opposition to that as racist.

>>15504968
To be fair, how can people be expected to blindly trust organizations with sordid history like the CIA?

Especially when they don't actually present evidence, but just say they have "high confidence".

>>15505029
It gets worse. We hear talk of "coal country" all the time whenever the candidates are down in Pennsylvania to talk to the poor coal miners there and pander for their votes. That's horse shit, though, because Pennsylvania's the #4 coal-producing state. #1 is Wyoming, which produces more coal every year than the NEXT FIVE STATES COMBINED. But does anyone go to fucking Wyoming to pander to coal? No. It's going to vote Republican every time. There is zero point to either party sending its candidate there.

So no, they don't care about the so-called "flyover states". Just look at the policies the GOP has pursued since winning control of every branch of government: shit that's going to make rural America suck more. You get 'em on board by screaming about God, Guns, and Gays, then you yank their unions and their healthcare and trash their state budgets and tell 'em to go fuck themselves. Having a gun doesn't improve their lives, homos not getting married on the other side of the country doesn't improve their lives, and having 4% more "Merry Christmases" floating around on any given year doesn't improve their lives. They're dummy policies for rubes.

>>15505029
>This is how I know you don't understand the situation
I do though, and so did the founding fathers. We're not a direct democracy and our votes are not weighted the same, they were never meant to be weighted the same in this system so we can avoid the tyranny of the majority. That majority being the whims of city faggots. City people vote for city interests, just like rural people vote for rural interests. But if city people win EVERY TIME because they have more people voting every time, then what is even the point for the rural areas to be involved in the union? There is none, because they are effectively not a part of one.

>That doesn't mean Bumblefuck's votes don't matter, it's just not efficient to go there
It literally means that there's no incentive to care about them, which you admit you don't later on. How can some fucking collectivist city faggots know about or care about solving the problems of the rural people? See this is why we need the electoral college. Because smug people like you DON'T care about the smaller parts of the country because you are too damn smug to think they matter.

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>>15505055
Look at all the smug, surely those backwater hicks will realize I'm superior and come around to my way of thinking and realize they're voting against their own interests, and align with my interests which represent my own.

>>15505011
Other races reproduce just as much as whites when they're wealthier, and poor whites also reproduce more. Number of offspring is a function of wealth more than anything else.

>>15505009
>It's meant to be a check and balance on the people
The EC is meant to be a lot of things, but it's so old and hasn't been updated in so long that it's failing at that job. The number of EVs per state needs to be recalculated and delegates must once again be free to vote for sanity rather than be shackled to the will of their party or the voters. Without those, the EC only exists to enforce the "tyranny of the minority", which is even shittier than the tyranny of the majority.

And those "checks" are only after the fact justifications for a system that was necessitated by our shitty infrastructure. The EC, like much of the way we handle our elections, is a product of the challenges of the 1700s. We vote on a Tuesday because people in the middle of nowhere needed time to drag their horse-and-buggy asses to a polling station five towns over and we didn't want them to miss fucking Sunday mass.

But we've got phones and the internet and a decent postal system and we can put ballot boxes anywhere we fucking want now.

The EC is shit. It can't perform its intended functions and tells more voters to go fuck themselves than any of the alternatives. If you're a Republican in California, GO FUCK YOURSELF. If you're a Democrat in D.C., GO FUCK YOURSELF. If you're a Republican in Wyoming, CONGRATS, you're worth more votes than anyone else, despite your state being an otherwise uninhabited and inconsequential garbage pile of natural resources that exists solely to be dug up, cut down, and shipped out.

>>15505055
>GOP voters are just voting against their own interests!

People like you keep making that argument, and keep failing at it. That's not how you're going to convince people to vote for your candidate/party.

>>15505009
You're an idiot. To add on to the take down written by >>15505029
>>15505029 >>15505055
the electoral college was meant to be a last line of defense to keep madman or a dictator from actually gaining the office because it's under the assumption that the voters in the college are loyal to the country and not ta political party. The irony is the electoral college did the opposite of what it was meant to be with Trump.

Also you're conflating checks and balance incorrectly. The minority still have protection via the legislative branch where the Senate hugely favors the interests of the smaller states and the courts.


A fun little tidbit is Andrew Jackson, the man who Trump has a hardon for was the one of the first candidates who argued the college should be abolished because the president meant to be the man who represents the people as a whole, so it should be majority.

>>15505062
They knew a black person should be 3/5ths a person too. You don't know shit about how the founder fathers.

Why should places like Iowa matter more than other rural areas? All the EC is make it so that only certain states matter over the population where every vote matters instead.

The only reason you're against change it is because the EC favors Republicans extremely.

>>15505076
This latest health care bill the GOP passes is solid proof that they still vote against their own interests out of spite and they're being suckered.. At this point the democrats should bother reaching out to these retards and start shoring up their own base or the retards who don't understand basic politics.

>>15505073
>delegates must once again be free to vote for sanity rather than be shackled to the will of their party or the voters

Yeah, let's make it so delegates can blatantly disenfranchise the voters of their state and pick who they want.

>"Washington voted for Hillary? Fuck that, I cast my electoral vote for Faith Spotted Eagle!"

>>15504502
>socialist candidate
The socialist candidate would've been poutou or arthaud. The social democrats were Melenchon and Hamon. The neoliberals were Macron and Fillon and Le Pen was the far-right. Btw more people abstained/spoiled their vote than vote Le Pen

>>15505029
>>15505073
>>15505083

I just don't trust the people to not be bastards, and anything that prevents and group or place from gaining too much power is good to me, because in my view any group that obtains power basically has a timer on them until they abuse that power and become authoritarians.

>>15505076
>>15505067
I didn't say they're voting against their interests, I'm saying they're fucking retards if they think gay marriage has a bigger effect on their life than healthcare.

Not wanting gays to get married is certainly something they're interested in, and they're getting their vote's worth out of that as much as they possibly can when the rest of the country thinks that's stupid, but it certainly shouldn't be the thing they care about more than whether Granny lives or dies.

>oh boy i hope the government keeps its mean ol' fingers out of my medicare
>go ahead and kill obamacare, i've got ACA, i don't give a shit, i'll be safe
>government assistance is the devil's work, everything would be better if the lazy poor were allowed to succeed or fail on their own merits; now excuse me while i cash this disability check and buy some WIC goods for my eight children
Dumb fuckers.

>>15505084
A deligate is the last line of defense against having people vote in a tyrant, I find it odd that you don't think the will of the people should be followed because an election decided by a popular vote is bad. But an delegate who doesn't follow what the people who elected him to do is terrible because he has to follow his orders.

Oh wait, that's called being a hypocrite.

>seizing destiny
>picked the status quo candidate

France is gone. It is now Neo Algeria.

>>15505103
As opposed to voting for the daughter of a literal neo-nazi?

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>>15505083
>The only reason you're against change it is because the EC favors Republicans extremely.
Republicans need to struggle massively every time there is a national election still, the fuck are you talking about? The EC favors a competitive race rather than a SEED Destiny final battle style shit-stomping every time brought to us by the collectivist city centers.

>They knew a black person should be 3/5ths a person too. You don't know shit about how the founder fathers.
>muh racism
Not an argument

>Why should places like Iowa matter more than other rural areas?
Have you considered areas that are strongly dominated by one party are usually so because they are more sufficiently represented already?
>muh gerrymandering
Which both parties do in each state.

>>15505090
>I didn't say they're voting against their interests
>but they're voting against their own interests those dumb fuckers, why can't they see

>>15504809
Well, france is the weebest country on earth for a reason anon

>>15505084
L I T E R A L L Y the point of the EC, our Representatives, and representative democracy in general. Saving the people from their stupid fucking selves.

>well, the masses have spoken, so I guess we're dropping nukes on Louisiana

>>15505090
>I didn't say they're voting against their interests, I'm saying they're fucking retards if they think gay marriage has a bigger effect on their life than healthcare.

Well I say to that the same I say to people mocking the idea of "Christianity being under attack"

I'm not religious, but if a religion says you have to adhere to certain values because your immortal soul is on the line, values like say gays are supposed to be hated and marginalized, and then the nation is passing laws that go against a religion's values, then that's a pretty good argument that the religion is under attack.

>>15505037
The last election proved that the United States isn't a democracy when a vote in Wyoming is worth 7 votes in California. The fact that every American doesn't have equal value as citizens proves that the system is broken.

Candidates would actually have to appeal to every American and go to every state instead of pulling this bullshit select 6 state system.

>>15505116
By that logic, why even bother having elections. Just let the government decide what's right and wrong.

>>15505119
That's pretty retarded. We're talking about legal marriages here, not Christian ones. Churches are not forced to host gay marriages.

>>15505126

They already do, that's why in most states laws aren't voted on by the people in elections.

>>15505128

But if your religion says that it's the will of God, that's supposed to supercede the law of man.

No one would be arguing over Hillary or Trump if the government simply had less power in general.

No benefits to fight over, no one to stop you from forming your own town where you can smoke weed all day or bang prostitutes, you can disassociate from whoever you want by not building those sweet private roads to them, no local government and public utilities that can artificially block competition, and no federal government to worry about striping you of rights. The only thing the government should handle is military, funded by a simple flat rate, non-bracketed tax on every citizen that makes more than 15k a year.

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>>15505124
>Candidates would actually have to appeal to every American

Patently false. A Democrat would just need to sweep the most populous counties, nab a few more, and they win.

>>15505124
>The last election proved that the United States isn't a democracy
Yeah, we never were you dumb fuck. We've been a representative republic since our constitution's inception.

>>15505131
We'll, my religion says that Christians should all be killed.

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>>15505137
Hm, I wonder who this would almost exclusively benefit

>>15505137
You're literally saying a Democrat would just have to appeal to the most people to win the election. Are you really this stupid?

Testing since I'm getting errors

>>15505142
Yeah it isn't, but it's ironic that the USA goes around toppling dictatorships and try to implement democratic elections in them.

China has the best system for elections afaik.

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See, this all would've been avoided if we didn't rescind our offer of King of America to Prince Henry of Prussia but NOPE, Nathaniel Gorham had to puss out on the deal like a bitch. We could've had a right and proper king from the start.

>>15505155
He's saying that they can tell the rest of the country to just fuck off because they wouldn't matter anymore.

>>15505160
>China has the best system for elections afaik.
China is also a completely authoritarian nation that is not adverse to using military force to purge opposition among its people.

>>15505155
I don't know how you say that's appealing to every American when that would be ignoring large swathes of the country.

Shit, the EC is the only reason a state like New Hampshire has any relevance at all.

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>>15505153
I mean I get that it would be unfair to the rural and suburban areas, but it would represent a large portion of the country. Personally I don't really care about the Electoral College, it's probably the best way to get things done while still respecting state rights.

>>15505109
>Republicans need to struggle massively every time there is a national election still
Complete bunk, the electoral college strongly favors the Republicans because all non coastal western states and the entire south are free wins for them while the Democrats have no strongholds that will vote for them if the devil were the candidate. (Look at 1984.) I'd like to see every state be competitive and not just have it boil down to the pandering to 10 states.

>Can't refute that things were different back then.
>Strawman
Your surrender on the point accepted

>Have you considered areas that are strongly dominated by one party are usually so because they are more sufficiently represented already?
Except under your system that drowns out the people who are not apart of that party, like was stated above about LA, or California as a whole. You are drowning out millions of voters and their interests with your arcane system for 'mum rural voters'

>>15505171
>I mean I get that it would be unfair to the rural and suburban areas, but it would represent a large portion of the country.
Yeah but that's like saying "net growth is good, it doesn't matter if the poor get fucked over in the process". Just because something has a net gain doesn't mean it's an all-around positive.

/m/ is such a garbage board you really can just add "what mech would" to anything that's unrelated and make people shitpost about it instead of just report the op like a good board would

>>15505175
>I'd like to see every state be competitive

That would be nice. Sadly, partisanship and polarization have made people set in their ways. Possibly demographics too.

Even a Republican like Kasich would have no chance of winning California today, for instance.

>>15505170
That's what the senate is fucking for. Everyone gets equal representation in the senate as a state.

As it stands a President is voted in by the minority because of a numerical system that devalues American votes based on geographic location. You're not ignoring large swathes of the country, you're punishing people for not living in the middle of nowhere in the current system.

>>15504547
Man, I love Dark Falz designs, they really do look the "ancient horror from beyond" part

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>Post French Mecha!
>Get /pol/ thread

Never change guys, never change.

>>15505191
>That's what the senate is fucking for. Everyone gets equal representation in the senate as a state.
A lot of the people who want to abolish the EC also want to abolish the sentate and only have the HoR.

>>15505119
Problem is, their religion also says they shouldn't be judging other people or forcing their beliefs on them, because it's ultimately up to God. Gays performing the Abomination Mambo in their private bedrooms has no bearing on a God-fearing Christian's mortal soul.

And the same part of the Bible that says "men shouldn't lay with men" also says:
you should LITERALLY MURDER ANYONE WHO DOES,
burn sacrificial offerings to God while smearing animal blood everywhere,
all non-fish seafood is just as bad as gays and DON'T YOU DARE EVEN FUCKING TOUCH IT, nevermind eating it,
pay your employees daily,
never work on a Sunday or else,
you need permission for all of your fires because we're apparently fucking Zoroastrians now,
don't plow your wife while she's on her period,
you can't bang a chick and her daughter or granddaughter (not even at different times or if they're all of age or if the mother has died),
death to anyone who doesn't uphold their campaign promise,
never hold a grudge,
sowing different crops in the same field at the same time makes fine botanical and sense but imperils your mortal soul so you'd better not,
don't sit down if your grandpa's around,
don't cut your beard, but do cut your hair,,
I SURE HOPE YOU'RE NOT BEING MEAN TO FOREIGNERS BECAUSE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TREAT 'EM LIKE BROTHERS,
and that shirt you're wearing is going to send you to Hell (the concept of which was not defined until hundreds of years after the point where we made up these rules).

Their religion isn't under attack. Their perception of what their religion is, warped by the political and economic interests of others who duped them into conflating X, Y, and Z, is what's at stake.
Did you know that no one gave a shit about abortion until the Moral Majority movement? America was just as much a "Christian nation" in spirit (rather than law) then as it was before, but it wasn't seen as a church issue with anything like its current fervor.

>>15505190
>Not Today
That's more of a reason to abolish the EC. You're broken will is solid proof.

>not today
Then have it so that it's feasible to campaign there look at elections for the long term.

>>15505199
>their religion also says they shouldn't be judging other people
Yeah no, it just says that if you're going to judge someone, they have the right to judge you back.

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>>15505194
>galaxy-shredding ancient evil comes with track lighting
I mean, it's certainly a neat take on unfathomable darkness, giving it glowing lights everywhere.

>>15505167
That's just western propaganda. Go read up on how china elects its leaders. It's far more efficient than whatever the fuck the USA has.

People have to actually work their way up, gain the trust of the party, and get the experience needed to run a country. Trump knows jack shit about either domestic or foreign policy, and yet he got to lead the most powerful nation on earth. It's ironic. It's no wonder why the USA takes part in so many foreign policy mistakes these days.

>>15505207
>That's just western propaganda.

Oh yeah, it's all propoganda. Cultural Revolution, never happened.

>>15505197
That's textbook deflection because you have no argument.

The fact of the matter is that the Electoral College guarantees that the votes of Americans are worth more or less based on geographic location rather than whether or not they're an American. It's unequal representation as the President is supposed to represent the people, whereas Congress represents the individual states.

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>>15505196
I mean, we posted all the French mecha we could. There's not a whole lot.

Unless you want us to do this?

>>15505207
Holy shit, and actual Chinese shill has appeared on /m/.

>>15505215
It wasn't deflection, I was just pointing that out. There's a lot of political commentators out there who are so into 1 person = 1 vote that they want everything to be decided by population, even the legislative branch.

>>15504549
>rounded up Jews to send to the oven

>2017
>believing in the holocaust

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>>15505224
every time

this thread is the normal ass taint of political discourse online, but with the extra stink of the French and their Muslim conquerors

>>15505199
I don't know, a lot of those sound pretty good to me.

>>15505223
It is deflection because you're using something entirely unrelated in an attempt to discredit the argument.

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>>15505221
>>15505196
We got this one.

>>15505175
>Complete bunk, the electoral college strongly favors the Republicans
Democrats are already awarded the most electoral votes in safe states before anyone even votes, yet it is STILL not enough for them despite having the largest state in the union by far voting for them 100% of the time. Give me a break.

>Your surrender on the point accepted
calling the race card means nothing. No one cares, it's just more adhominem.

>Except under your system that drowns out the people who are not apart of that party
California is not drowned out you moron, they have by far more electoral votes than any other state in this system still. On a per state basis the correction for population is 2 fucking votes. That correction of 2*n-2 means California's interest is checked only when a lot of fucking rural states disagree with them. When that many states don't think California's values are good for them, of course they should prevail. It's easy for California to agree on one thing because theye are collectivists, but it is not necessarily so easy for other states with a bunch of other issues to oppose them successfully.

>>15505241
But I wasn't part of the argument until now, I just wanted to chime in.

>>15504751
>>15504771

>A unified humanity is a common theme in Gundam

That may be true for some of the later series but not Tomino. If that were the case, Char wouldn't have been the bad guy in CCA since he claims to make everyone Newtypes. Tomino has always been against one thing only and that is radical idealism. Understanding <> unified humanity. In Turn-A, the resolution between the moonrace and the earth is not a unified government, it's just them chilling the fuck out and start trading and traveling in between so they can get used to each other.

>>15505171
>Wyoming gets one EV per ~178k
>Hawaii gets one EV per ~322k
>Idaho gets one EV per ~381k
>Arkansas gets one EV per ~476k
>Maryland gets one EV per ~563k
>California gets one EV per ~668k
>Florida gets one EV per ~678k
>Texas gets one EV per ~715k

Do you see anything weird about this

>>15505199
>don't plow your wife while she's on her period,
I have to ask why you would, it's not pleasant for either of you.

>>15505256

Would Wyoming have any voice at all in national elections if it wasn't there?

>>15505083
>the electoral college was meant to be a last line of defense to keep madman or a dictator from actually gaining the office because it's under the assumption that the voters in the college are loyal to the country and not ta political party. The irony is the electoral college did the opposite of what it was meant to be with Trump.
Actually the electoral college was meant to be a way to have a reasonably representative election in the days where literally counting every single vote and sending them to the capitol would be infeasible. It's not really "fair" today since theoretically a person with a state with the minimum amount of electors would count almost 3 times as much as someone from California's but then again the Federal Government and ESPECIALLY the Presidency was never intended to have nearly as much control as they do today. SO if it's not fair for someone in Iowa or whatever to have more of a say than someone in California, MAYBE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T HAVE SO MUCH POWER IN THE FIRST PLACE?

>They knew a black person should be 3/5ths a person too. You don't know shit about how the founder fathers.
Black people not being counted "as a person" was a GOOD thing to abolitionists you nimrod. The point was that the South wanted blacks to count towards the electoral census (without actually being able to vote, it makes more sense than it sounds because in these days landowning white males were expected to vote in the "interests" of their wives and children and others in their state who couldn't vote themselves, think of it like another step in the government hierarchy) so that they would have more power in the federal government and abolitionists wanted slaves to be counted as 0/5ths of a person so that the pro-slavery South couldn't use the representation in congress allotted for the existence of those black people against them.

>>15505257
>it's not pleasant for either of you.
lol you put towels down and a fan to blow the smell out of the area
it's easy

>>15505265
I don't want blood on my dick.

>all these faggots who thought it was an electrical college until it didn't work for them

>>15505263
About as much as DC, which is EV / ~197k.
Alaska, both Dakotas, Montana, Delaware, and Vermont are also down there.

But hey, fuck you if you live in Michigan, Illinois, Georgia, New York, Ohio, and any of the other populous states, be they red or blue.

>>15505211
The cultural revolution was a mistake. People in China know it is. No need to beat on a dead horse.

>>15505222
You sound more like a shill yourself. I'm only objectively looking at the facts, and the truth is, The western democratic system doesn't mesh with China's Confucian thoughts. The ccp with all its flaws has modernised China very rapidly. That's easier to do when everyone is looking in the same direction. America is not as homogeneous so that kind of system is not suited, but for China, it's the only way.

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>>15505263
It already doesn't. It votes R every year so neither party needs to give it anything. Republicans could campaign on setting every forest in the state on fire and they'd still sweep it as long as they promised it'd really piss off the tree-hugging liberal gaylitists.

There are more Republicans in California who have their votes thrown in the trash every year than voters in Wyoming period.

>>15505294

That's my point though, their population is such a drop in the water that they literally wouldn't matter otherwise.

>>15505286
>The western democratic system doesn't mesh with China's Confucian thoughts
Democracy in general doesn't mesh well with Confucianism

>>15504895
Israel won't exist in the future.

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>>15504316
>mvq

>>15505315
Well there you go. China chose a system that works for them.

The US has demonstrated multiple times the failings of its own system.

>>15505340

Look I'm in favor of a monarchist system but most of the US isn't.

>>15504747
>Implying the United States works
For the many times I have seen theoretical maps of a balkanized United States is enough to show that certain areas of the US don't want to listen to other parts of the US and would rather live with stronger state rights than giving a better portion of it to federal.

"United States are united in name only" will be a growing theme for the country. It's unfortunate, but it's the natural way of things.

>>15504539
>There's good part of left in her.
Every far-rightest adds leftwing stuff to broadem their appeal. Doesn't mean they're gonna do it. Remember Hitler called himself a national socialist and had anticapitalist stuff on his platform, and the first thing he did when he got in power was to purge the socialists inside and out of the Nazi party. Then he banned all unions except for the state one, which wasn't even allowed to strike.

>>15505346
And yet people still fail to realize this, and talk about "Healing the divide" and "Bringing people together".

>>15505244
>Democrats are already awarded the most electoral votes in safe states before anyone even votes
They aren't safe as 2016 proved, and the fact that the democrats lost the election while winning the popular vote TWICE in the past 5 elections should set off alarms.

>calling the race card means nothing.
I didn't bring up the race card, you did. But thanks for admitting your racist.
It's not relevant, but it's a nice bonus to know that you're pro EC, and a racist.

>California is not drowned out you moron,
Tell that to all the Republicans who votes are thrown out you troglodyte.

>>15505264
How can you pull out that sort of shit out of your ass, the reason there were months between the election and inauguration was so they could count all the votes. As stated before the EC was a last line of defense against the people electing a tyrant because the founding fathers didn't trust them.

Also congratulations on you and the other person completely missing the point of the 3/5ths remark. It's to show that things back then don't matter today, it's also why morons who are strict constitutionaist should be drummed off the bench because the last thing we needed was a judge like Neil Gorsuch to go 'What would a slave holder do?' Although to be fair, he does treat employees like slaves who should die at the leisure of their employers like with his ruling for TransAm Trucking.

>>15505346
>and would rather live with stronger state rights
One of those groups wants that, the other wants stronger federal rights to impose their will upon the other group that they would rather not even talk to.

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>No mention of a literally French Mecha setting

>>15505318
Her jawbone is also gone.

>>15504467
>Fuck off, fascists!
>But you can fuck ME, Islam!

By your logic you just don't love me because I'm not brown enough, you racist.

>>15505345
The monarchist system just won't work with the US. The problem is how its citizens perceive the government to be. Chinks consider the government like a big brother rather than an external entity that tries to control your way of life.

You can imagine all sorts of people who would whine about their religious rights, their rights to have McDonald, their rights to be called non binary, their rights to own guns, etc.

Honestly, America is so fucking divided at the moment thanks to partisan politics. Social harmony is doomed for at least the next decade.

>>15505305
They would matter just as much as everyone else.
Compared to other states, no one fucking goes to Wyoming. They don't spend money there. If you do spend money to get your message out there, it's a waste either way. It's going to go R. You can tailor your message as much to what Wyoming voters want as much as you like, but it doesn't matter. Republicans can campaign on "fuck Wyoming" and Democrats can campaign on "free cars and blowjobs for everyone in Wyoming" and it's still going R. Same shit with DC or Hawaii, but in reverse.

And again, even if we accept that somehow Wyoming or DC loses its voice under a popular vote (which is wrong, but for the sake of argument): REPUBLICANS IN SAFE BLUE STATES AND DEMOCRATS IN SAFE RED STATES HAVE ALREADY LOST THEIRS AND VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASTLY OUTNUMBER WYOMING AND DC.
We are already not listening to either of them and fucking over many times more people for the privilege.

Everyone has some issue of theirs that doesn't warrant any coverage or debate because the shit that matters in an election has already been decided by a handful of "battleground states". Our national discourse is held hostage by arguments over how many dicks we should suck and how much money we should spend to satisfy <100-150k coal miners when there are TEN TIMES THAT MANY PEOPLE CLEANING BATHROOMS IN RESTAURANTS OUTSIDE OF THE 10 MOST POPULOUS STATES.

In those few coal-producing states that anyone cares about when it comes to talking coal, which are still not even the largest producers of coal or employers of coal workers in the country, there are more right-handed brunettes who empty trash cans for a living than coal workers. IN JUST THOSE 2-4 STATES. Why aren't we talking about the plight of the right-handed brunette trash-emptier? Those guys contribute more to our national economy than the coal workers, and I have NEVER, EVER heard a candidate campaign for the dexter brown-haired janitor vote.

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>>15505346
>"United States are united in name only" will be a growing theme for the country.
Yeah we tried that once, didn't quite work out for those that tried it

>>15505360
US really needs to break up. Might be better to give both sides their own country and call it a day.

If one of the countries ends up fucked up, then at least it won't be the other side's problem anymore.

>>15505376
It's funny because we're re-fighting the Civil War today in New Orleans as we got Confederate symapthizers rioting to keep the state from taking down the statues of traitors.

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>>15505376
>the Confederate Flag is about America and heritage and a never-say-die spirit
>the flag of assholes who wanted to literally leave America is about America
Then you go to other countries like Canada and you still see people waving the Confed flag. What the fuck, Evan, your family moved here from France 60 years ago, you have absolutely zero relation to the Confederates. What heritage? Fuck you, Evan!

Pic related is the only Confederate flag we should honor.

>>15505376
>YOU'RE WITH US FOREVER OR WE'LL KILL YOU
I for one, am glad to be under the heel of such a benevolent imperial state.

>>15505360
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that the feeling of wanting to be separated is there. The left is just being more imperialist about it, wanting to take the entire landmass because they are too butthurt that so many people don't want to play their kind of ball.

>>15505358
>They aren't safe as 2016 proved
They are, it's just Hillary was so incompetent she didn't even GO THERE. Despite that Trump still just barely won them.

>I didn't bring up the race card,
>hurr the foudning fathers are racists therefore whatever they say is wrong because they're racist hurr
>your a racist too hurr
That aside, you're a fucking moron because it was ABOLITIONISTS who wanted 3/5ths because southerners would coerce their slaves to vote on their behalf for a 2nd vote. The South had no reason to stop blacks from voting.

>Tell that to all the Republicans who votes are thrown out you troglodyte.
As much as I hate California, they get to decide their own votes with their own populace which is mostly liberal faggots. On a statewide basis, that's just how it is.

>>15505377
No, that can't happen. If we let one side go away, then you get a domino effect with those two initial splits and the power of the US goes down the tube on the world stage. Join or Die motherfucker (or I guess stay joined). The Union shall not be divided.

>>15505392
>YOU'RE WITH US FOREVER OR WE'LL KILL YOU
Yeah pretty much.

>>15505395
>and the power of the US goes down the tube on the world stage

Is this supposed to be a bad thing? I'd rather be a small, neutral country that minds its own business.

Oh, but I guess neutrality or non-interventionism is a bad thing in a globalized world, huh?

>>15505392
>the South is kept afloat by federal funding
>and it's still falling into the sea
okay, okay
we'll spend 20 years building new cities in wyoming and montana and all the other empty states, and moving every non-white out of the south
then we'll let the south secede
and we'll stop paying to keep their states solvent
i'm sure without all the needy blacks sucking up their welfare they'll do just fine
lmao

>>15504677
>I mean, holy shit, ever heard of Napoleon? I'm not even French, but even I can admire France's military history.
It's more than even Napolean. For most of European History, with brief spurts here and there, the French were pretty much the dominant people. From the Franks control of Gaul, to the Carolingians controlling most of Europe, to the amount of dynasties that ruled Europeean countries descending from the French Royal family, to even most of the courts in the 1600s and 1700s speaking mostly French, they were the unquestioned dominator over most of Europe. The French Revolution and Napolean was just what would happen when a popular Revolution succeeded in the most powerful country in the world at the time, which were untold coalitions that only managed to work once Napolran went overboard and tried to invade Russia, previously his ally. The only thing that managed to curb France in the end was perfidious Albion getting a head start on the capitalism game and a united Germany

>>15504511
The only thing the russians managed to do this time was confirm that they did indeed fuck with the election before, it also shows how fucking incompentent american security actually is because they kepts fumbling their way through the whole thing while the frogs just baguetted their way

>>15505410
America would still be a British colony if it wasn't for France.
And I say this as a student of history before Hamilton was even a thing
i learned it from Rose of Versailles instead

>>15505411
regardless of whether Russia or something else gave the stuff to Wikileaks, it's not like the stuff in the leaks was false

Hillary and John Podesta admitted they were true

>>15505395
>They are, it's just Hillary was so incompetent she didn't even
That proves they aren't safe, retard.

>That aside, you're a fucking moron because it was ABOLITIONISTS
Didn't read my other post. As usual, chooses to cherry pick

>Blame the voters for where they live
Nice way to say you also want to discriminate people and prove that one person does not equal one vote.


Even /pol/ is better at bullshiting their way through arguments than you.

>>15505406
I love the idea or isolationism and neutrality, but in today's geopolitics it is just impossible. Especially in the US' position. Larger states on the world's stage could fuck with others, kind of like with Russia and Crimea, or China and the Senkaku islands, but with the former US states. Though, I somewhat like the idea of The Republic of Texas absorbing satellite states, I'd prefer the union as is. Aside from Texas, in a lot of ways the states are dependent on each other. Californians would die of thirst (good) if they weren't importing water.

Do you people realise that this thread will be deleted soon thanks to your shitty /pol/itics? Hillary is a cunt and Trump is an asshole. Deal with it and move on with your lives. Stick to France and post French mecha.

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>>15505406
>Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

Yes, it would. The fact that you think that, means you don't truly understand what the alternative will be like. Your country did not willingly become the hegemon of the world, it was forced upon you by the rising threat of the Soviets, a nation that purged 50 million of its own people for being dissidents. Such a state like that could never be allowed to expand its influence.

You want to know what will happen if you guys stop being the world hegemon? China will, because they are 2nd in military spending behind you. A country that killed around 30 million of its people in the Cultural Revolution. If they gain power, there WILL be war, it will be the way it was pre-ww1 where there are just constant wars all the time. You think China ISN'T going to try and use military power to take Indonesia, and Korea, and Taiwan, and Japan, and the Philippinnes, and basically everywhere in Southeast Asia? The only country that'll be safe is Australia. Don't say they won't, they've made it their public position that the islands of the Pacific belong to China, and what they aren't saying is that the only thing preventing that is the threat of war with the United States.

The US does not have a great track record, but at the end of the day it's still pretty liberal. People like Kyle and Noam Chomsky either hold everything to an impossible standard, or they genuinely think that if the American Empire didn't exist, people would get along, WHICH THEY WOULD NOT. The ONLY thing preventing constant war on this planet is the threat of the US destroying them. And you want to hand the keys over to a nation that kills millions of its own people for no purpose other than they questioned the government?

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>>15505433
>hey guys, I'm a radical centrist
>fuck having strong convictions about issues
>you're all wroooooong!
>*autistic beam spam

>>15505437
whoops, meant to change some shit because that was an old reply of mine to something else.

>>15505440
He's not a centrist though, because he isn't in the middle. He's firmly on his own side.

>>15504792
>is less centrally located to the other Sides than Earth
Central location doesn't matter that much to space travel. Breaking out of gravity is expensive. It'd honestly make more sense to have the capital in space, probably Side 1 or 2, or even the moon since those are well established and there isn't as much as a gravity well to go through every time you have to travel, except the occasions you're going to Earth

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>>15505432
>Californians would die of thirst (good) if they weren't importing water.
Until they decide that desalination plants are now economically viable.

>>15505433
>290 replies
It's served its purpose.

>>15505437
>the Soviets, a nation that purged 50 million of its own people for being dissidents.
In fairness, most of those people died because Stalin didn't know how to run a planned agriculture and they starved. It's not like they died in gulags.

>>15505420
They did? Where?

>>15505437
The US has done far more damage to the world in the last 3 decades than China ever did since the fall of the Qing.

>>15505458

Yes and at the same time we've still minimalized world conflict.

>>15505440
Fuck off clawshrimpy. I just said stick to France and me ha. If you want to talk about burger politics, go to pol. This thread is for baguettes only.

>>15505463
You sure did in Iraq.

>>15505376
I'd say this time around the feelings over "breaking up" is a little more mutual. The only ones who'd really protest are antifa/blm crazies who will act like scorned lovers who can't believe somebody wants to break up with them & will refuse and globalist elites who don't want to parts of the population going independent.

The United States was founded upon a much smaller landmass, a much smaller population, and a much more confined culture. Getting as big as Europe in all these regards is essentially birthing "countries with no name". Should tensions rise then I forsee these countries starting to become officially christened.

>>15505423
>That proves they aren't safe, retard.
literally all the democrat has to do is show up and they get the state. Even campaigning hard Trump still barely got it. That's safe as fuck, but she STILL blew it. That's how grossly incompetent and smug Hillary was.

>Nice way to say you also want to discriminate people and prove that one person does not equal one vote.
Yes, I literally do not think one person equals one vote. I do not think the system used by the ancient Athenians is better than our representative republic. What's so hard to understand? I do not think large population centers should dominate the country and that there should be a balancing mechanism among votes. It's not a party thing really, it's just that Democrats love to snub the rest of the country while feeling superior about it and complain about being disadvantaged while still having the fucking advantage.

>>15505411
It's actually one of the reasons the 1st amendment is flawed because in France if a news company incorrectly reports something and it's irrefutably proven to be false, they get massively fined or lose their license.

Kinda like what Trump wants to do. Except that's to cover things up, and the press is right about him being corrupt as fuck.

>>15505470

Middle East policy has been a disaster, yes. That shouldn't be used to toss away the baby with the bathwater. Do people not realize how much more of a shithole Africa and Southeast Asia would have been for the the past 50 years if we didn't keep things under tabs?

>>15504963
Because it's not unrestricted.

>>15505406
I'd rather be a large country that takes large amounts of offerings from tributary states.

>>15505455
I mean, did you watch the debates.

>One of the emails contained 25 excerpts from Clinton's paid Wall Street speeches that a staffer had flagged as politically problematic.

>The excerpts came up in two of the presidential debates between Clinton and Trump. In one of the debates, the moderator Martha Raddatz quoted an excerpt saying that politicians "need both a public and a private position" and asked Clinton if it was okay for politicians to be "two-faced." Clinton replied, "As I recall, that was something I said about Abraham Lincoln after having seen the wonderful Steven Spielberg movie called Lincoln. It was a master class watching president Lincoln get the Congress to approve the 13th amendment, it was principled and strategic. I was making the point that it is hard sometimes to get the Congress to do what you want to do." In the third presidential debate, the moderator Chris Wallace quoted a speech excerpt where Clinton says, "My dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders," and asked if she was for open borders. Clinton replied, "If you went on to read the rest of the sentence, I was talking about energy. We trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. And I do want us to have an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders."

I'm not talking about conspiracy theories like Pizzagate or whatever; but Clinton's speeches, and the DNC's bias against Bernie, were all but admitted to be true

>>15505482

We aren't the british empire, we only once got into the colony business and never conducted shit like they did.

I mean, for as many bad international decisions as we've made, even at our worst we've never done shit like chop off the right hand of anyone that falls behind in banana picking.

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I thought the FPA flag was based on the French one for a while, but now that I look at it, the color bars should be vertical rather than horizontal, right? Even so, the FPA always struck me as very French-inspired, with the anthem reminding me of the "liberty, equality, fraternity" cry from the French Revolution. Vive La France!

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>>15505488
It was rubber tree harvesting, actually.

>>15505437
Stop fear mongering since you're pretty clueless about the the intentions of the chinks. China has no intention of conquering these countries. In olden times, they were merely vassals. The diayou senkaku islands is a separate issue. Technically speaking, China does have historic ties to these islands, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they should own them.

Just look at what China is doing in Africa. It's a huge difference to what western powers did there. China grows by assimilating and integrating itself in other societies. In other words, if you're really worried about the chink invasion, you should boycott your local China town.

>>15505487
don't forget we found out that Donna Brazille was forwarding questions from CNN to Hillary before the debate. Imagine if Trump was getting fed questions by Russians or some shit, and how that would go down. Yet, with a democrat it all gets brushed under the carpet and isn't reported.

If Russians truly did do those leaks, we should be thanking them for telling the truth that our politicians won't.

>>15505488
That seems alright desu

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What China is looking for is not world conquest, but sino centrism. They couldn't care less about your society as long as you regularly pay your tributes to the chinese communist party.

>>15505503
>China grows by assimilating and integrating itself in other societies.
You mean integrating into other societies and then assimilating them.

>>15504985
>multiculturalism will never work in Europe
Why not? Most nation-states in Europe were created by ramming multiple cultures together because some monarch acquired multiple countries. UK is composed of Scots, Irish, Wales, Cornish and English. And even English have their own divisions going back to when England was composed of 5 kingdoms. There's still a North vs. South divide just within England. France is similar too. They have Bretons in the northwest, Basque people in the southwest and the whole southern half of the country has its own identity separate from the northern half and both have their own subregions with local cultures and languages, even though the French tend to stamp that out with having everyone speak French, they've loosened up thay policy in the past decades. And they've had Algerians coming into France ever since they had it as a colony, just like the UK has had Indians coming in ever since they had it as a colony. And even Germany is a big hodgepodge. The dialects in the northeast are completely different from those in the rest of the country, with standard German being the compromise. And Spain has Galicians, Leonese, Aragonese, Basque, Catalan, Andalusians and of course Castilians comprising their country. And everyone has Gypsies. The cultures in Europe are older, more established and more local than in the new world but that doesn't mean they haven't dealt with multiculturalism before.

>>15505472
>They have to show up
That's proof it's not a safe state.

>I want to discriminate against voters
That's nice. But not how America is, or should be unless you want to funnel power to the elites.

>>15505199
To make things extra fun, the death of Jesus freed men of the covenant of the Old Testament, and half that list was brought back.

>>15505503
I hear a lot of Chinese guys have been marrying African qts in recent years, partially because China has a relatively lopsided gender ratio, but also partially because many of them are settling down over there to work.

That said, while China has generally taken less of an imperialistic stance and more of team-player approach than we might expect, I think folks could understandably say its foreign policy could still use a bit of work. Vietnam is a good example: As a friend of mine once told me, "despite the fact that the U.S napalmed everything in sight, Vietnam has better relations with us than it does with China." In a lot of regional East Asian affairs it seems to me that China would have been better served by being a bit more accommodating and diplomatic; a heavy-handed approach has probably driven countries like the aforementioned Vietnam away.

>>15505550
It is kinda weird how Vietnam prefers the US over a neighbor like China.

Even with other ASEAN nations sucking up to China recently, Vietnam is still anti-China.

representative republics aren't direct democracy deal with it fags

>>15505033
>How the fuck did the left become pro-Totalitarian? We used to be the party of you know, FOSS and resisting the government's attempts to violate our every right to privacy.
I'm afraid there is no left in America, just liberals. I don't think any party supported FOSS, they're too busy sucking off Google and Microsoft, and private stint even know what that is. Party politics are a waste of time, imo. The inky thing they're good for is that some people get interested in the issues and I try to educate some people whilst they're heads are fertile, if they haven't already gotten sucked into the shitty media coverage

>>15505544
Because let's face it, when multiculturalism is said today, they mean multiracialism, and they basically just mean "less white people". And nobody wants to become a minority.

>>15505054
Are you, me, anon? I dont trust the /pol/tards and their conspiracy theories and I definitely don't trust the CIA and FBI, especially given their history and how little evidence they're giving us

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>>15505545
>That's proof it's not a safe state.
nigger are you fucking dense?? If she just went there, did nothing else, she wouldn't have lost it and it would have taken no effort what so ever. Trump had to bust ass and he still won by a fucking sliver. How is that not a safe state for democrats? You have a very warped view of the country if you think rust belt states aren't safe democrat states and that rural states are the "elites" that benefit from an electoral college system.

>>15505558
Well half of Vietnam fought a violent war against chinese-backed communists, so there's that

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>>15505542
Both. Look at the foreign conquerors who took China for themselves, like the Mongols and the Manchus. They came as external rulers and their people ended up becoming Chinese. No one speaks Manchu these days. It's endangered.

Even their queue hairstyle and the Chinese dress is now thought as being Chinese even though they were originally Manchu.

>>15505550
I guess they just can't resist the LAC