What the hell is this weird Zeong expy in Gundam X?

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/x/rmsn-002.htm

>>15484506
Holy shit that's awesome

Why did they even bother making not-UC versions of what is obviously meant to be representative of UC?

>>15484517
The Febral only appears in flashbacks to the final battle of the 7th Space War. It's there just to drive home the Janmil/Amuro parallels in a quick way.

Or do you mean why they didn't just use UC designs? I don't think they were allowed to. They threw a couple of UC parts on some of the Vulture kitbashes in episode 2, and also used a few generic military vehicles from UC through the series, but clearly couldn't show actual UC mobile suits.

>>15484504
this thing kicked a surprising amount of ass in SRW R

>>15484517
Because they still wanted it to be different. It's an alternate universe that's obviously heavily based on UC, but they still want enough room to tell a different story and not confuse people with "is this UC or not" issues, unlike Origin and Thunderbolt which are based from the main setting of UC but start going a separate way than established continuity.

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>>15484517

Well, if Turn A's Dark History is to be believed, perhaps that unit is inspired by the Zeong used centuries earlier by Zeon?

Similar to how the Zanscare Empire created their own version of Zeong in the Crossbone Vanguard Manga and the Victory sidestory Manga.

>>15484504

Armament seems kind of paltry compared to Zeong.

>>15484566
Not possible. UC has to come after AW.

>>15484720
it has fannarus

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neo-febral when?

gundam x: the AU that did alternate OYW MS right.

>>15484723

Wouldn't that be an impossibility given that Mobile Suits were only invented first in UC's era?

>>15484782
Every era invented mobile suits on their own.

>>15484723
Pretty sure it says AW takes place after the 7th space war, putting it well into late UC.

>>15484785
In UC all the continents are normal except Australia, which has a chunk taken out of it because of the colony drop.

The premise of AW is that they dropped ALL the colonies, which would obviously fuck up world geography enough to be noticeable on a map of UC Earth.

It's silly in the first place to actually try and line up all the different universes to somehow make sense in one time line, but in any case UC clearly has to go first.

>>15484782
>>15484790
>>15484813
Tomino said that 500 years pass between Universal Century and Correct Century.

>>15484896
I doubt it

>>15484934
Yes, and then 500 years pass between Correct Century and Regild Century as well.

>>15484896

Did he? I thought he only said that G-Reco was 500 years after Turn-A, not that CC was 500 years after UC. Regardless he also definitely said that CC 2145 or whatever year Turn-A is set in is 10, 000 years after UC. And that it's also 5, 000 years after UC only a year or so later for the Turn-A movies. I think it's likely he doesn't actually care that much.

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>>15484743
It'd probably be some Ikaruga-like mobile armor, given that the mobile suits produced after Gundam X ended up with some light/dark motif going on.

>>15484945
https://nekketsunikki.wordpress.com/2015/08/27/tomino-said-g-reco-takes-place-around-500-years-after-turn-a/

>Ogata: If you look at it that way, it seems like G Reco takes place 1000 years after UC ended.
>Tomino: Yes.

>Ogata: So Turn A is actually before G Reco?
>Tomino: Around 500 years before.

>>15484945
>>15484958
Don't worry, I'm sure once the G-Reco movies are out, we'll get an explanation that UC and CC are only separated by 100 years.

>>15484743

I wonder if it'd just be one massive bit carrier with a mobile suit in it.

Like the particle cannons and what not are docked with it while they're charging and it unleashes them into bit mode when the enemy tries to swarm in to attack it.

>>15484958
Look you fucking new-nigger
We know about that interview. We also know Tomino was fucking with the interviewer.
Find a second source that confirms he wasn't just being Tomino, or fuck off

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>>15484504
It's an obvious Amuro/Char reference.

>>15485242
>We also know Tomino was fucking with the interviewer.
You don't know shit, fuck off. I'm not even going to get into which members of the production team corroborated what Tomino said, especially since you're asking me to prove a negative when you can't present any evidence yourself to begin with.

Consider suicide, the average IQ of this board would probably soar up 50 points.

>>15485277
Lancerow's Counterattack would've been awesome

Nu X
HWS Nu X
Hi-Nu X

SaSeidel
(no idea what the AW nightingale would be called though)

>>15485315
Danggit, should've been SaRasso

>>15485277

I hope the Febral was completed then.

>>15485444

In some of its game appearances, the Febral's lower half stores funnels, although that's not it in its official weapon listing, which just has the finger beams and finger swords.

Gundam X was weird because its Amuro expy became a Quattro, while its Char expy became an Amuro (Zeta era).

>>15485277
>posting something so obvious it goes without saying
Thanks for the input friend

>>15484504
I always thought it looked like the Rafflesia as well, but it's true that the Zeong influences are far stronger.

Not-Zeon ms in Gundam X, for the few they were were pretty dope to be honest and I think I prefer a good deal of them to the originals from UC (Jenice to Zaku, Vertigo to Qubeley).

>Gundam X is finally getting its turn being the popular dark horse
YES

>>15486098
what about the federation in X going for the zeon route in terms of MS?

daughtress in terms of variations is more zaku than GM.

>>15484813
We have no idea how the Turn-A timeline works and now it's even worse with G Reco added into it as a finale. For all we know Jamil and Amuro fought side by side against 2 pilots in Zeongs.

This is Tomino we're talking about, he throws out random shit all the time and lets people make what they want out of it. He views his series message more important than timeline details.

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>>15484504

Also has an Apsalus expy too.

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>>15487570

Not sure what to say about it's size though..

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>>15484896
Explain this then.

>>15487584
Why was Xi Gundam so fucking hueg anyway? It didn't seem to have anything really going for it that made the humongous size worth it.

>>15487854
Minovsky Craft, and mega particle cannons

>>15487570
Other than being an MA it's not very Apsalus-ey.

>>15487812
The movies contradict that statement already. Seems like Tomino just doesn't really care that much.

>>15487920
Eh, I can see where he's coming from. It's a mobile armor with an innovative weapon that was designed to destroy the enemy's headquarters but got taken down before even getting close.

>>15487920
>>15487967

Doesn't it also open up? It's been a while.

>>15488017
Yes. It has mega particle cannons and 'psycommu' tentacles equipped with beam cannons, IIRC.

>>15487570
>>15487920

If you go by the model number references, the Patulia is actually a super Braw-Bro.

>>15488017
>>15488023
Yep, which makes it feel more like the Rafflesia to me. Especially because of its color and cyber-newtype pilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3DAfcgq8sg

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>>15488190

That rescue kind of reminds of the one Domon did for Rain at the end of G Gundam.

That Mobile Armor also made this one look tame by design comparison.

>>15487570
That thing reminded me of those Arms Fortress from Armored Core.

>>15488436

Doesn't one of those named "Fermi" look like Big Zam? I remember reading that on the Armored Core wiki.

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>>15488460
I personally think it looked like the Apsalus I. AFs really do seem to be MAs up to 11. Just the sheer size of some of them is what made me compare them to the Patulia.
The Answerer just seems like something impossible in size just... hovering like it's nothing. It's really alien and bizarre. Kojima Particles are crazy.

>>15488511

>Kojima Particles are crazy.

Are those anything like Minovsky Particles?

>>15487967

>It's a mobile armor with an innovative weapon that was designed to destroy the enemy's headquarters but got taken down before even getting close.

What shot it down the first time anyway? Did the Federation just get lucky?

>>15488519
It's a really nasty but powerful radioactive power source. So strong it kills the land, and eats away at unprotected plating at a visible rate. It's separate to standard energy weapons and it can be used to create a powerful force field called Primal Armor, which can be forcefully and violently detonated. It's banned to be used near populations, and it's what forced people to live in giant flying colonies called Cradles.
Since it's all but said that the ACV is set in the future of ACIV, it's safe to say that technology is forgotten (for good reason), but AC technology is really downsized as a result, and it only ever shows up again when you going up against ancient unknown weapons.

>>15488527
If you go by the manga it was Janmil himself in the X. That clearly doesn't line up well with the tv show though.

>>15487854
Shit gets XBOXHUEG in the early part of Late!UC, then everything gets small. A 1/144 Xi/Odysseus is approximately as tall as an MG RX-78-2.

>>15484504
I was just about to make a thread about AW. Is it good? I've never seen anyone talk bad about it but neither have I seen someone talk about it.

>>15488624
I really like it, but the first half of the show is focused on standalone arcs, rather than a continuous story, and that seems to be rather divisive.

>>15488624
>the first half of the show is focused on standalone arcs
Could you say it's kinda like VOTOMs?

>>15488624
Imagine G-Reco, but competently executed.

>>15488630
>>15488627
Just noticed I fucked up.
>>15488661
Oh, now this really got me interested, thanks.

>>15488612

Curious, but doesn't it go back to being big again by the time of G Reco?

I recall mini Mobile Suits being a thing of the past there.

>>15491225
By the time of Turn A things get big again (to around the size of 0093-era suits), and by G-Reco things are about the same size as OYW-era suits. Gaia Gear's timeline also has Man Machines that are about ~20m tall.

>>15491225
Hell, things go back to being big just around the time of G-Saviour.

>>15491718

>Man Machines

What is the difference between those and a Mobile Suit?

I know Mobile Suits are still around in that timeline as they somehow have a Gaplant.

>>15488661
X does have some similarities to G-Reco now that I think about it.

>Protag is a bit sheltered, doesn't know much about history or the state of the world
>Gets into an old but powerful suit that only he can pilot, more or less
>Powers behind the scenes are conspiring to plunge the world into war
>Protagonist has an amazingly hot love interest

>>15491802
>>15491718
> Man Machines
> What is the difference between those and a Mobile Suit?
Clearly the Man Machines are machines built by the Man-Emperor of Mankind.

>>15491718

They also drag out some of the outsized stuff don't they?

I remember someone saying Psycho Gundam or a variant known as "The Black Doll" turns up in the novel or somewhere.

>>15486407
What do you mean? GMs also had a ton of variations

>>15493965

They probably meant relative to what his seen in 0079.

They only had one or two variants of the GM there didn't they?

>No extended OVA based on the 7th Space War

>>15486098

Well, it would be interesting to see the Febral with some of those heat tendrils like the Rafflesia had.

>>15487570
>>15487967

Wait, doesn't the Patulia predate Apsalus?

I think the 8th Team came out after X.

>>15495901
I want to see the lower half open up like a squid. Let it grapple onto another mobile suit, and maybe stick a mega particle cannon under there or something.

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>>15495908

> maybe stick a mega particle cannon under there or something.
Like that Agrissa from 00?

I think it's said that Mobile Armor can ensnare things in between it's legs then blast it with the Plasma Field or Plasma cannon it has tucked away under there too.

>>15495905
Technically 08th MS Team came out first, but because it's an OVA series it released a lot slower and finished a few years after X's runtime

>>15495905
It started a few months before X but ended years later.

Anyway, like I mentioned above, if you look at the model number the intended reference with the Patulia is the Braw-Bro (MAN-003)

All the 7th space war ms and armors from the SRA have model numbers that directly reference their MSG counterparts, like how the Jenice is RMS-006 and the Febral is RMSN-002. Even the Bertigo's RMSN-008 is a reference to the Prototype Qubeley.

>>15495947
Actually, the proto-Qubeley was the other way around. It debuted in G Generation F, which was made after X, so they actually gave it a MSN-08 model number (in addition to the main AMX-001 one) to reference the Bertigo.

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>>15488061
>>15495947

>Patulia is the Braw-Bro (MAN-003)

That does make sense actually when you point it out.

Come to think of it, wasn't the Braw Bro practically a miniature battleship that also had weapons on wires or tendrils?

>>15495947

Are any of the Space Revolutionary Mobile Armors mass produced?

>>15499123
Possibly the Grandeene. Which is the MA-06, which is the same model number as the Val Varo.

>>15487967
Been a while since I watched X, but wasn't the Patulia supposed to be for general mucking about rather than base killing?

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>>15499734
The Grandeene is more of an analogue for the Big Zam though. Slow as shit and with a weapon that far outstrips anything else around.

>>15499734
>>15499763

The Grandeene seems kind of small for a Mobile Armor.

I'm used to the things being super-heavy in terms of mass, yet the Grandeene is only 72 tons.

It weighs less than a Zaku II from 0079.

>>15501748
X's mass numbers are really off for some reason. The GX is something like 8 tonnes. I figure everything's off by roughly a factor of ten.

>>15499763
I thought it was more of a souped up adzam?

>>15493965
standard daughtress = zaku 2
command daughtress (with the modified head) = zaku with commander's antenna
daughtress cannon = zaku cannon
high manueverability daughtress = zaku 2 high mobility
daughtress tank = zaku tank

the only daughtress that doesn't have a zaku analog would be the fire wallaby (high maneuverability daughtress with flame thrower) and the neo daughtress (doesn't match up with the zaku 3)

>>15503461
Why are Zakufags scared when not every grunt is a Zaku expy?

>>15503471
more of an observation rather than actual -fagging.

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>>15503461
There's also the Daughtress Flier. I don't think it matches any Zaku variation.

>>15503455
I thought of the Adzam at first as well. Maybe it's a bit of both? The thing can hover around and has four beam cannons that can rotate, but it also walks very slowly and has a huge cannon.

>>15495970
It's a mobile armor. Its INCOMs were designed optimally for a single Newtype to use, but it can be piloted by 3-4 Oldtypes too.

>>15503543
more of one of the gouf flight type variants though.

>>15486407
>>15503461

On the other hand the Jenice looks far more like a Zaku while the Daughtress' design is far closer to the GM, and the Jenice has the model number (RMS-006) that calls to mind the Zaku II (MS-06). Most of the Zaku variants you've mentioned weren't in 0079 either, and I'm not even sure all of them even existed as MSV or whatever by the time X aired.

>>15501762

>I figure everything's off by roughly a factor of ten.

Wing had that same problem too didn't it?

>>15504634

Most mobile suits are lightweights. The units in 0079 were quite heavy, though still lighter than they had any right to be at around 70 tonnes base weight, but even by Zeta they were starting to become ligher and by F91 most new units have a base weight of like 8 tonnes. Victory continues that trend, and a lot of the following shows had units that weighed next to nothing.

>>15504276
There are also Jenices with command horns in episode 2, although they don't have a proper designation, since it's never seen outside of custom models.

>>15504722
>>15504276

more of how the earth fed's treatment of MS was more zeon that UC EFSF than actual design.

heck, the new EF's make many specialized MS' seemed zeonic at times, while the SRA only made one (like the GM).

though that's probably because they wasted all their money in the colony laser.

>>15505267

The SRA developed several suits though, not just the Jenice. They had the Septem, Octape, Juracg and probably others. All of which are very obviously related to the Jenice and just modified from it. And much of the variants of the Daughtress in the show are seen in the present day and could easily be modified versions customized after the war from what little I recall.

>>15505267
>heck, the new EF's make many specialized MS' seemed zeonic at times, while the SRA only made one (like the GM).

To be fair, the SRA only having one new suit was likely due to the show being cancelled. The New Federation also only gets one new suit in the last 10 episodes (aside from upgrading the Frosts' Gundams).

The SRA is supposed to be much better than the New Federation economically, and yet they're still shown using 7th Space War mobile suits in the present while the Federation had an all new fleet by the time they get around to going to space.

There's also a battle scene (in the episode where Garrod goes to space) where the Frosts are surprised by the Octape's speed and the power of their beam weapons. I guess they're supposed to be upgraded, in spite of no external changes, but this just ties into what I mentioned above. The SRA doesn't get more suits just because the show itself isn't adding many by that point.

>>15505267
>while the SRA only made one (like the GM).

Like the other anon said, most likely due to the show getting canned. Or maybe it was planned.

Keep in mind this is also the same show that had the other possible G-Falcon combinations with the Leopard and Airmaster that never appeared proper.

>>15505297
I was referring to the second half of the show. the SRA only had the Crouda (while reusing their old 7th space war MS) compared to the New EF having more than 1 specialist MS.
>>15505385
>>15505448

cancellation issues was a factor but i was going by the in-universe fact that the colony laser might have been a priority over everything in terms of spending.

>>15504658

>Victory continues that trend, and a lot of the following shows had units that weighed next to nothing.

That kind of seems like it may support that X's era is a continuation of UC.

>>15495926
Is that...a flag?

>>15508575
I believe that is a Hellion Medium, though it is a bit Flagish.