Is Persona now /m/?

>>15464658
He's even voiced by Shuichi Ikeda.

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>>15464658
The gameplay flow (mundane everyday side of the world and a more frenetic action-filled aspect linked to, but firmly distinct from it) is pretty much how I envision a perfect Kamen Rider game's would be. Just maybe replace the turn-based elements with more freeform-oriented combat (come to think of it, maybe the Yakuza series is a better fit for this kind of thing) and the "Persona Change" option actually altering your appearance/changing your equipment.

And Persona's been /m/ since P4. Mostly because of this guy and:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KDz19rKgcY

>>15464660
Even matched dub wise (Though that's probably a coincidence) via Keith Silverman.

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>>15464658

My girlfriend's motorcycle just turned into a robot.

Makoto best girl

>>15464959
>Though that's probably a coincidence
No way it wasn't intentional

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No

>>15464658
No

>b-but it's been /m/ since 3
No

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>>15464840
Why P4 because of Featherman? It's not like it started there.

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>>15464963
Her costume appearance is also pretty much a Kamen Rider. Add to this the bike and her whole obsession with justice and getting the world rid of evil.

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>>15465057
Homoerotic Rivalry Joint Attack saves the world

>>15464658
Jesus CHRIST no, keep the memes out of here please.

>>15465097
Is has been that bad in the other boards?

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>>15464963
It's perfection by design!!!

>>15465097
>>15465098
Underage third-worlders should lurk before posting.
Horrible form

>>15465098
I wouldn't know, I'm no crossboarder. But it's so saturated on YT FB and Tweeter that I don't even want to play it anymore. And I was really looking forward to it.

>>15465100
Yet she's blander than both

>>15465109
>YT FB
Kill yourself.

>>15464959

No they deliberately asked Atlus USA to get English Char.

He's bascailly designed to evoke as much Char as possible.

>>15465090
Sucks that the option to call her Rider exists but it gets tossed away for Queen. Maybe P5+ will give the option for different nick names.

>>15465111
still better than Haru

An idea I have for a spin-off.

1. Backstory

a. In October of 2016, an object from outer space landed in the Western Sahara region. Discoveries revealed it to be proof of not only alien life, but heavily armed alien life. This leads to the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping Operations to turn into the United Nations Global Defense Council, allowing the UN to utilize the full military capabilities of all its member states. Some have seen this as the organization turning into a super power, which undermines the process.

b. A terrorist attack on January of 2017 occurred in the Western Sahara facility built around the crashed alien warship. One of those killed is one Arthur Mosely, the son of one United States Army general Sedgewick Mosely, one of the proponents of the the UN Global Defense Council. Mosely and his loyal subordinates disappeared after that.

c. Two months later, massive terrorist attacks occur across the world, with its ringleader announcing himself as the mastermind. To the shock of many, its Mosely, who announces that he will personally take over the United Nations itself with his army of rebels, claiming that he will clean the Global Defense Council of corruption that to him, had a hand with the terror attack that killed his son.

2. Synopsis of Plot: To counter the rebellion enacted by Mosely, the United Nations Global Defense Forces, the collective of all the armed forces of every UN member, plan to directly Mosely and his forces in Japan, which is reported to where Mosely is directing his operations from. This was to give an opportunity to test a new type of tank developed with top-secret technology. Volunteering to lead the attack into Japan are two soldiers of the UNGDF are one Minato MacTaggert from the United States and one Elizabeth McAllister from the Republic of Ireland.

>>15465284

3. Characters

a. Mianto MacTaggert

A recent graduate of the United States Military Academy in West Point, New York. Officially, he's the adopted son of its superintendent William Mac Taggert and his wife Minami, the latter of whom named the boy "Minato." In truth, Minato was the product of a top-secret government project similar to the Tatsumi Port Island experiments of 1999, with William willing to take in Minato. As a result of the experiments, Minato has a Persona, which allows him to utilize the prototypes of the newly made tank that is to be used in fighting Mosely's forces.

b. Elizabeth McAllister

The other volunteer in taking the fight to Mosely's forces. Much like Minato, she too has a Persona. Claims she was with the Irish Army and was a veteran of numerous peacekeeping missions, but in truth, her past is a mystery, especially with her ability to use a Persona. She also seems to know who Minato really is.

c. Sedgewick Mosely

The leader of the rebellion directed at the United Nations. Losing his son in the January 2017 terror attack, he wishes to use the United Nations to prepare mankind if in the event the Earth is threatened.

d. The Four Elements

Mosely's four most dangerous soldiers, with their namesakes based on the Fuurinkazan maxim from the Art of War, which Mosely reportedly quoted. Not much is known about them, other than the one code-named "Wind" being a woman skilled with daggers, whereas "Forest (skilled with camouflage and a sniper rifle)," "Fire (explosive armaments and a flamethrower)," and "Mountain (superhuman strength and endurance)" being men.

>>15465288

4. UNX-01 Iron Savior

The UNGDF's new weapon in the counteroffensive against Mosely's forces. Built as a tank needed for a counteroffensive operation such as this, it was made to be piloted by one person who is to drive and fire at the same time, with all weapons automatically reloaded. Six prototypes were developed and sent to Japan secretly.

The prototypes are powered by an engine that works mysteriously, yet provides unlimited power like a nuclear reactor. It is secretly part of the experiments in the United States that Minato MacTaggert came from, with him and Elizabeth M Allister being the only ones able to pilot the tanks due to the engines needed a Persona user manning the tank.

5. Gameplay

Third-person shooter, with the following features:

a. Optional weapons can be found everywhere, which increases chances of winning fights. Allied soldiers held prisoner by the enemy can be rescued and offer various rewards in return.

b. The Iron Savior tanks can be found and used. However, too much firepower can destroy the tank, so one has to escape if it takes too much damage. The tank can be turned into a makeshift bomb with its self-destruction system.

c. A meter is on display, and when its full, you can use your Persona to clear the screen off enemies.

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>>15464658
As was foretold!!!

>>15464658
>Chars son is Jesus Yamato
What did Atlus mean by this?

>>15465466
>Ryuji's Persona isn't Gundam

>>15464959
Probably not a coincidence since they got Matthew Mercer to voice Yusuke.

He seems to be the go-to guy for every Sugita character.

>>15464658
What the hell is with that helmet?

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>>15465466
>he's a whiny little bitch that still topped the polls.
The Jesus Yamato runs strong in him.

>>15465517
Char wearing the helmet of Principality the demon while riding a golden lion made up of 100 bodies. He also has three forms, one of his special attacks is a kick, and his special ability is to give himself three turns.

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I'm playing the game right now, beat a purple half-fly rapper in a giant robot piggybank and then freaking Anonymous declared war on the party
So far it's great, though if I had to name flaws, it's that ambushing from a hiding position is weirdly approximative, the red-and-black menus make my eyes hurt if I look at them too long, and I want to strangle Morgana every time he forces me to go to bed for no reason

>>15465773
reminds me of nanomachines son and srw L final boss

>>15465784
That's because you're a pleb platinumfag.

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>>15465783
Despite the nagging cat making you go to bed, you hace a lot more free time than you may think.
On NG+ I did everything possible and had over two weeks with fuckall to do at the end of the game.
Still, fuck that cat all we fucking did that day was talk and then bed.

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>>15465798
>you have a lot more free time than you may think.
>On NG+
Ya don't say?

>>15465798
>On NG+
>over two weeks free time left at the end
What have you been doing all the time? That's what I had left the first time through after completing all social links.

>>15465751
It seems that there was a update in the popularity poll some hours ago. Goro dropped to the seventh place. Now is Joker in first place, Makoto in second and Ryuji in third.

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>>15465856
is Yusuke at least top 5?

>>15464959

It's not, it was actually intentional.

>>15464963

Yeah but now it's not a motorcycle.

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I ship Inari and Alibaba

>>15465090
I don't like her mask being a metal faceplate though, and judging by some dialog neither does she.

>>15465884
Fuck you, I ship her and me.

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>>15465891

>>15465893
I've watched Chobits, I know where the reset switch is

>>15465871
Sorry, lad, 10th place.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/835628-persona-5/75272853

>>15465896
wow this poll sucks

>>15464658
>is [flavor of the month that doesn't have giant robots] /m/?

>>15465926
Isn't Arahabaki a robot?

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>>15465954

No it's a clay doll. Pure Jomon.

>>15465926
Are you implying that Metatron isn't a giant robot?

>>15465109
You sound like a colossal faggot for letting fanbases affect what you like

>>15465926
On one hand purse owner has been around too long to be flavor of the month, and does have a bunch of robutts in it (then again, what kind of JRPG doesn't?)
On the other, yeah, fuck "is this /m/" threads. You want to make a thread about stuff, then make it, and you'll see how people react. No need to ask for permission when you already made the thread.

>>15465882

It can switch back and forth

>>15465896
>Makoto at 2
Japan has good taste for once

>>15464658
No but it is shit

>>15464840

>And Persona's been /m/ since P4.

Seriously? Even Revelations had some silly mecha. And if we're talking IS, there is Last motherfucking Battalion with Nazi mecha and power armors. And well, Sumaru city rides on a huge Mayan starship. And there are some more minor details.

P3 has Aigis and whatshername, and there is P4 manga where Naoto is a detective and her partner is a cyborg who turns into a motorbike.

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>>15465926
SMT has always been mildly /m/, faggot

>Terminator will NEVER be in another game ever

>>15466161

I miss Terminator Rasputin

>>15466171

I miss Shadow Hearts Rasputin with his own giant mecha fortress.

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>>15464959
What adds to this is the fact that Akechi's english VA also provides the voice for Lino in The Origin and Gali/Vidar in IBO.
Then you have Ryuji who voices Io and Ein, Makoto who voices Io's GF and Kudelia, and Futaba who voices Azee.

On another note, Silverstein voices Chadman in the IBO dub.

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>>15466186

Remember when Raidou sworded a Macross to death

>>15465856

That's a different site, as noted by the fact that the taste seems to be completely different and Ryuji is now ranked near the top when previously he was always the least popular party member.

Or they're getting lots of Chinese votes now.

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>>15466268

Eh Joker and Makoto seem pretty consistent across the board at the very least. Actually shes gone up on this one

Figma when

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Posting best demon

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>>15464658

I finished P5 yesterday
it is a pretty good game, gotta start the NG soon

>>15466272

They're pretty much the only ones. Goro and Yusuke went down, Sensei and Ryuji went up (Ryuji ridiculously so since Japan hated him a month ago) and the opinion on the Velvet loli's completely reversed.

So either Japan suddenly had an epiphany about how shit their taste is in the last month or so, or something's screwy here.

>>15466316

I think more people just voted to offset the numbers.

>>15466321

All the Ryuji fans were afraid to vote before?

should I play Persona 2?

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>>15466323

That or they didn't care/know there was a poll to start with.

>>15466338

It's pretty cool.

>>15466349
go back to Antarctica hitler

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>SMT thread
>nobody's posted /ourguy/

>>15464959
I'm still disappointed that Michael Kopsa will probably never voice Char again. Silverstein does a fine job from what I've heard of him, but Kopsa will always be what Char sounds like in English to me.

>>15466279
Kaneko needs to design more mechs

>>15466397

I know a lot of people hate on the Zeta dub for using scabs, but Tom Edwards does a fantastic job as Quattro.

>>15466378

Didn't you pay attention to the game? It was never actually Hitler.

>>15464840
>MMPR theme
>blatantly Jetman

>>15466444
>expecting anything but casualness from P4 fags

>>15466459
how can people remotely like P4? everything from that game was fucking terrible

>>15466468

To quote Fry on Star Trek TOS, "when I didn't have any friends, it made me feel like maybe I did"

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>Let's see if Persona General is still shit flinging
>Yep, not sure why I expected differently

>>15466493
don't expect to be anything else for the next... I'd say 3 or 4 years, maybe more if they make spin offs and shit like they did with P4 to no end

>>15466497
I have a feeling we'll get a rerelease with more content. Literally every Atlus game does.

IT"S NOW OR IT'S NEVER

>>15466502
Only question is if there going to put P5 Crimson out on the ps4.

>>15466507

I'm sure they will since the PS5 isn't any time soon.

>>15466502
They better have a way to transfer your compendium like FES did

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>>15466407

>>15466514
Hopefully they'll let parameters transfer over too. God I hate having to grind them up.

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>>15466519

Inhert was weird as fuck wasn't it

>>15466468
lgbt people love it

>>15466524
Maybe fix some things that never made sense, like gaining Kindness points in a confidant where that rank already requires max kindness to continue,

>>15466539

I just wish the games would acknowledge whenever you get a girl friend or something. I wouldn't have to friendzone so many people and feel like shit if they just could know me and Makoto are a thing.

>>15466338

I'd say yeah, play both of them.

>>15466606
Theres a bit of a reason for that.

Hint: See Valentine's Day if you have more than one girlfriend

>>15466664

Yeah I know all about it. And honestly it doesn't really seem like a good enough pay off for macking on all the girls when we could have stronger story impact

>>15466696
It's all worth it for the Ryuji text after

>>15466737
It is a funny moment.

Not that I'll ever personally get it. I'm all in on Makoto for pretty much every subsequent playthrough.

>>15466756
>not whoring yourself out with all the girls

>>15465893
Futaba is a nice girl, would headpat

>>15466530
>lgbt people love it
They hate it for not making Kanji full homo nor Naoto trans

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>>15466444
>>15466459
>>15466468
>>15466475
>>15466530
>This blatant samefagging
You're not going to get any fucking cred from anyone hating P4 outside /v/

>>15466935

Hey, I was only the second to last of those. And really the reason I like P4 so much is probably because I played it first.

>>15466939
>And really the reason I like P4 so much is probably because I played it first.
This can apply to any entry. Well except for P1.

>>15466756
in NG I just got to the part she begins to stalk you, its hilarious

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>>15464959
The only non-Char-related role I've heard Keith Silverman play was when he voiced Pang De in DW8, the pic-related slowass motherfucker dressed in blue. Quite a contrast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KukSVxgsQkg

>>15467114
Personally, I thought it was cute seeing her wander the halls of the school reading manga

>>15466999

Yeah P1 for the most part is just ok. It has themes that are carried through the whole series, but really it's more experimental than anything of real quality.

>>15467121

Zasalamel. Also Tatsuya in the english version of P2 IS, and Lambda in Tales of Graces. That's all I can think of.

Well that and CITIZENS OF DALARAN, RAISE YOUR EYES TO THE SKIES AND OBSERVE!

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>>15467501
DAMN BRAT, STOP BULLSHITTING ME.

>>15467518
Oh yeah, he was Delta wasn't he

>>15467501
So after Tekken 7 Bamco's making a new SC, right?

>>15467524
That's Eric.

>>15467528

Who knows, didn't the last one do pretty terribly?

>>15467531
Well now I feel foolish.

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>>15465891
>>15465893
Reminder: Fooltaba is /ourship/.

>>15467589
I prefer to go for Makoto

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>>15467615
But the cute.

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>>15467501
He's also Flynn in SMTIVA.

>>15467626
Yeah, but so is Makoto.

Futaba is admittedly 2nd best girl.

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>>15466809
I forgot about Maken-Shao.

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>>15467643
>get the scene where you and Makoto show Futaba around the school

I want us to be a family

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>>15467658
Makoto would make a great aunt.

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>>15467665

She's going to make a great mother to my children

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>>15467665
Who needs that when you can have Yusuke as an uncle?

>>15467683

I worry he's not a good influence

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>>15467683

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>>15467615
I prefer going after support characters

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>>15467844

Hifumi's nice but she ain't my waifu. Still that ability. Holy fuck is that a game changer.

>>15467846
yeah,that's why she deserved my dickling for helping me escape and change characters.
>tfw want to romance other characters but keep crawling back to her every playthrough

>nearing end of October and my only max ranks are Makoto and Super Good Taro

Im at 6s across the board on most of the party but Futaba took too long to get my kindness up and I haven't even started Haru yet. Raising stats is a huge time suck

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beep boop

>>15467846
Best Chuunibyou Shogi

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>>15467724
Well, at least people can not say that that is not hardworking.

>>15467875
This girl made me wish to see a darker Kamen Rider series where he enacts justice and get the world rid of evil with a pair of special Colt Peacemakers.

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I'm surprised no one's brought up Haru considering her Phantom Thief apparel was brought on by her love of Toku heroines, specifically ones like Poitrine.

>>15467731

God damn, that joke is STILL making the rounds.

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kawakami's best girl

>>15467854
Are you me?
The other ones i completed before the final dungeon after them were Ryuji, Takemi and Mishima, this one being done 1 day before the last exams.

>>15468143
>Kawakami's used girl
Fixed that.

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>>15467114
>>15467435
if you go to the bathrooom, she even follows you almost all the way there before doing a U turn and run away

>>15468325
Seeing her in the cinema, watching the Yakuza movie is also pretty funny.

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>But all this work into presentation and gameplay tweaks
>Put no effort into your characters and story

7 years and this was the best you could do Hashino? Did Tomino ghost write this?

>>15468388

The dev cycle was all over the place actually. Sae was supposed to be your guardian and Makoto didn't even exist.

>>15468438
That actually would have made more sense

>>15468388

You have to keep in mind the Japanese context where if someone is higher on you on the social ladder, they are just assumed to be a better person than you and can't be corrupt. Saying "you should stand up to corrupt officials" is a duh for us, but not for the Japanese, who have deference to authority drilled into their brains.

>>15468454
>>15468438
>>15468388
The last parts of the game were completely changed to make it more appealing to the masses, it was edgier than 3 before.

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>>15468438
Is interesting that looking some few concept arts from the artbook, the original idea seemed to me to be intended as more transgressor and grimdark. They probably toned it down considerably during those seven years of production. Also, some of the original concepts for the protagonist resemble a lot with Akeshi.

>>15468511
>The last parts of the game were completely changed to make it more appealing to the masses,
That explains so much and why it feels so rushed in he second half.
>>15468523
Was Haru in the original concept? Because she feels like a last minute addition

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>>15468511
How edgier are we speaking here?

With the success of the more lighthearted Persona 4, Atlus probably though that it would be dangerous change the tone of Persona 5 so radically.
>>15468534
>Was Haru in the original concept? Because she feels like a last minute addition
From the section with original concept art, doesn't seem so. But as i dont speak moon, I cant read the notes, so I can't be certain when the idea of her character was introduced. The older art all seem to feature more what is clearly the protagonist, Ann and Ryuji, there are some designs that seems to be proto Makoto. There is also what it seems to be a female version of the protagonist.

But one of the original designs for Haru looked like that blonde girl from appmon.

You can find the artbook in E-Hentai, by the way.

>>15468561
>How edgier are we speaking here?
The adults did nothing wrong, your party is just mental and blaming everyone else for their own problems which results in a fake world where everything is as they believe it is. That's why there are shadows in the "real world" (as it was originally, no palaces), because it actually isn't. Sae and Akechi were supposed to be bigger characters too.

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>>15468571
>The adults did nothing wrong, your party is just mental and blaming everyone else for their own problems which results in a fake world where everything is as they believe it is. That's why there are shadows in the "real world" (as it was originally, no palaces), because it actually isn't
Wow, that sounds so much better and more in line to what was promised in the first teaser than the actual game. But yeah it wouldn't be very marketable and given P4's crazy success they wouldn't dare return to the gritty and dark nature of P2 and P3.

>>15468571
That sounds a bit too nuts. Got a source for that?

>>15468586
It was put together from old interviews and datamined shit by 2channel

>>15468511
Really? Because True Akechi purposely acts as edgy as he can.

>>15468592
Akechi was supposed to actually be a good guy while it turns out that your party is the villains

>>15468590
That's not really what I'd call a reliable source of information. In any way.

>>15468571
>>15468586
Not really surprising since in P4 Dojima was going to be the true killer in the original script but was changed because they thought it would make the game too dark but it does feel weird how none of the PT get called for essentially brainwashing people who all just so happen to be dirtbags. Definitely a far cry from P3 where SEES was responsible for everything that transpired.

>>15468600
retarded redditor detected

>>15468597

Seems kinda bullshit because for one it goes against themes the persona series has had since P1, and more importantly it woule be a bad PR move to make a franchise that is inherently designed to be more lighthearted than SMT, even edgier and more nihilistic than Nocturne.

>>15468606
>but it does feel weird how none of the PT get called for essentially brainwashing people who all just so happen to be dirtbags.

For one, Akechi constantly does, though he has ulterior motives. More importantly, humans don't care when bad things happen to bad people, it's why rape is horrible until you're a prisoner, then we joke that you better not drop the soap.

>>15468606
>Dojima
I think you heard wrong, it was definitely Yukiko, and aside from a party member being the culprit being thought to be a bad decision they also figured it was too straightforward since the female inn administrator being the culprit is a trope in Japanese mystery fiction.

Funny thing is that the veteran cop's younger partner being the culprit is ALSO a trope and even a meme ("the culprit is Yasu")

>>15468613
>and more importantly it woule be a bad PR move
No shit that's why they changed it just like how they changed 4's culprit away from being a fucking party member.

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>>15468613
>For one, Akechi constantly does,
Which gets undermined by the fact that he's a murder and has done worse shit then them and that the "Detective Prince" persona was just a ruse so he pretty much didn't mean anything he meant until the PT confronted him. Really everything about Goro is just fucking terrible in this game and its a shame because he could have been a great counter against the PT if they had did more with him similar to how Adachi was a mirror image of Yu but went about things from a different path when granted the same power but nope gotta have another strawman because FUCK ADULTS AND THEIR LIES. Well at least Ryuji and Morgana still thinks he's a faggot in the end.

>>15468619

My point is, I feel like it would betray a lot of what the series is about, as would the initial 4 idea. People like to say "oh Persona was so much darker before 3 and 4" but not really. You just didn't have the lighthearted day to day life spacing out the dungeon crawling and main plot. At the end of the day Persona 4 is still about tracking down a serial killer that is willing to kill anyone that is on to him and manipulates a good person into trying to kill people unknowingly.

The edgiest thing the series has ever produced is JOKER, and even he never actually used his machete to carve up people, he just summoned demons on you. The main story in every game since P1 has always been about the side of us we hide from others.

>>15468610
Look, you quite literally said "anon said so". I'd trust your uncle that works at Nintendo over that.

>>15466529
Still cool tho.

>>15468616
Are you sure? Because I 'm pretty sure it was Dojima, Yukiko really wouldn't make any sense especially if they retain her personality throughout the game unless they were trying to pull a "The Usual Suspects" style twist with the dumb one being the culprit.

>>15468640
No it's definitely Yukiko, the topic's been brought up multiple times in the past in Japanese interviews. I've never heard of Doujima ever being considered as the culprit.

>>15468640
>>15468616
I've heard that it was both.
Yukiko/Dojima/Adachi were the three main candidates for the murderer.
Yukiko was too difficult to make a regular party member who would eventually betray you. Imagine how pissed everyone would be if your only long-term choice of healer was Teddie.
Dojima was too dark.

>>15468633
>but nope gotta have another strawman because FUCK ADULTS AND THEIR LIES

Did you not play SMT1? Where the politicians are the reason everything goes bad?

Again, as I said in >>15468471, the reason they keep using this plotline, even if it's a strawman to you, is because the Japanese don't understand the idea of standing up to corrupt authority.

>he could have been a great counter against the PT if they had did more with him similar to how Adachi was a mirror image of Yu but went about things from a different path when granted the same power

He isn't supposed to be your mirror, he's just another piece in the Demiurge's game like how Tatsuya and Tatsuya were in the 2 duology. Hence why he's named after the Japanese Sherlock Holmes, because he exists to oppose you, Arsene Lupin. That and because of Japanese culture, if you're a bastard child then you're automatically a bad person.

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But are we gonna get a new Metal Hee-hos, is the question.

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>>15468613
>it goes against themes the persona series has had since P1,
P2 and P3 all had characters who were fuck ups and blamed others for their own misfortune and only through accepting their own inner demons were they able to grow as people which is carried over in P4 accept they're not nearly as dark. P5 feels very "light novel esque" in romanticizing its main cast as these heroes to right the wrongs of society which wasn't really a thing in previous games since people were never aware of your actions and went about their lives like nothing happen (death still exists, the truth will never be revealed etc.) but P5 ends with the PT stealing the heart of society and Joker summoning Satanel to put a bullet through Demiurge's head on Christmas Eve.

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>>15468613
>it woule be a bad PR move to make a franchise that is inherently designed to be more lighthearted than SMT,

Yeah...lighthearted

>>15468670

Compared to Ambassador Thorman and Isamu? Yeah, fucking old men is a lot more lighthearted.

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>>15468675
forgot image

>>15468667
>P2 and P3 all had characters who were fuck ups and blamed others for their own misfortune and only through accepting their own inner demons were they able to grow as people

Did you just ignore all of the confidants, because all the characters have baggage they need to overcome. And P5 does the opposite where they blame themselves for the misfortune of others. Which is WHY the game is about righting the wrongs of society, because if you believe it's your fault that others suffer, then it's by your hand that things can be improved.

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>>15468663
>Its okay because JAPAN

That's all I'm hearing from you. P5 is the only SMT in which politics take any sort of role in the plot and are not just an afterthought since the games are more geared towards its characters and their development through the course of the game. Yes, yes I get it's a metaphor but its not a very clever or meaningful one since its at the expense of character writing and story.

My suggestion was never that he was suppose to be mirror but that if they wanted to make a point he should have played a bigger role than how he turned out. Its one thing to say that he's "suppose to be this" when it doesn't turn out the way its intended.

>>15468700
>P5 is the only SMT in which politics take any sort of role in the plot

SMT1 and IV.

>Yes, yes I get it's a metaphor but its not a very clever or meaningful one since its at the expense of character writing and story.

I don't think it's at the expense of those things, my only issue with P5's writing is the pacing.

>>15468694
>Did you just ignore all of the confidants
Social links have no fucking merit in the actual story and even if they did in P5 none of them are actually about confronting their inner demons.
> And P5 does the opposite where they blame themselves for the misfortune of others. Which is WHY the game is about righting the wrongs of society, because if you believe it's your fault that others suffer, then it's by your hand that things can be improved.
Except that doesn't fucking happen. Literally every character's "problems" is through the fault of adults and not themselves, that's the opposite of character growth since all the badguys are two dimensional cartoon villains. The only character who actually does confront her demons IN GAME is Futaba.

>>15468700
>My suggestion was never that he was suppose to be mirror but that if they wanted to make a point he should have played a bigger role than how he turned out. Its one thing to say that he's "suppose to be this" when it doesn't turn out the way its intended.
That's literally hating something for what it isn't rather than what it is.

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>>15468675
Not really. A teenage girl whoring herself out seems more edgy especially with what SMT is nowadays.

>>15468716
>Literally every character's "problems" is through the fault of adults and not themselves

Except they themselves don't see that, is the point I'm making. Yes, it's not actually their fault, but the reality is they put blame on themselves.

>>15468724
>whoring yourself out is more edgy than wanting to create a world where you can inflict harm on others and do whatever you want without consequence

You do know that's what Isamu really wanted, right? That his "world where everyone is sealed off from each other" was bullshit and that was his REAL reason. He basically spells it out to you when you meet his whale form.

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>>15468718
>That's literally hating something for what it isn't rather than what it is.
Yeah because what Goro IS is a poorly written character what he isn't is an anti-thesis against the PT which is what they were playing with through the first half of the game.

>>15468706
>SMT1 and IV.
SMT 1 barely has a plot and IV wasn't even about politics and what about the rest? How political is Digital Devil Saga, Devil Children and Jack Frost Bros?

>writing
>pacing

If something is poorly written or conveyed no about of pacing is going to make it better. Goro being more of a consistent presence throughout the game isn't going to change the fact that his plotline is shit

>>15468388
>>15468633
But adults are bad people. As are children. All people are shit. Nothing can change because the nature of humanity doesn't change. Idealism doesn't work.

You know that brilliant idea of yours to fix the government? It won't work. No trust me, it won't work. I don't care if you've accounted for that, it still won't work. Every human being is a liar, every human is an idiot, and a shortsighted asshole But we have good reasons for that though. We lie because the truth can hurt, because a lie can often create a new truth that's better than what reality can provide. Confidence in a certain outcome can make it more likely. We are idiots, we so hate to be wrong that our idiocy drives us to discover new truths, to experiment, to invent. We are shortsighted, but so is every creature. What's unusual is how humans are able to consider where we'll be in 5 years, to plan for retirment, to consider the kind of world we leave to our children. Not everyone thinks that far ahead but the fact that ANY of us can is amazing. And of COURSE we're selfish assholes. We can only see things from one perspective, just again just like every other organism. Every plant and animal is an asshole, whether or not you notice that fact simply depends on how dangerous that organism is. But humans, we try to understand each other, we try harder than anything else on this planet, we invented grammar, we paint, we sing, we articulate that we're desperate to understand each other and be understood.

Do you know why we do that? Because deep down, everyone understands the same basic principle: that none of us is as dangerous as all of us. And that I believe, explains why collectively humanity is the biggest asshole of them all. So yes, idealism is irrelevant, because no human is perfect, and the vast majority of humans are only happy when someone is worse off than them.

And that's why I'm not a pessimist.

>>15468733
>>You do know that's what Isamu really wanted, right? That his "world where everyone is sealed off from each other" was bullshit and that was his REAL reason.
How is that edgier than what Chiaki wanted? She is literally the only character deemed "evil" in Nocturne.

>>15468746

But I don't think it's shit, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

>>15468751
go back to the TV Adachi

>>15468752

Chiaki just wanted social darwinism because she hates lazy people and believes might makes right in a world of demons.

>>15468756
You can meme all you want but you know I'm right.

>>15468103
Poitrine was toku now? Damn.

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>>15468726
>Yes, it's not actually their fault, but the reality is they put blame on themselves.
This literally how every Palace ends

>It was because of me why Shiho tried to kill herself
>No it wasn't it was Kamoshida.'s fault
>Yeah you're right

>I'm so useless, all I ever wanted was to prove the everyone that I'm not a burden
>But it was because of you following Yakuza into a bar and getting captured and having them blackmail us that we were able to get the Palace information, also it was also Kaneshiro's fault
>Yeah you're right

Yusuke shouldn't even be blamed for anything since his whole life was turned to shit because of Madarame and no fault of his own. What because he was too trusting of the man that took care of him for years that he deluded himself to the truth so he should be at fault? Fuck that.

And then there's Haru, who doesn't even get a resolution because her plot is rushed so the only thing we can do is infer that she really is suffering inside because it feels like she really doesn't care that her father died.

Yeah...this is a problem.

>>15468751
>But adults are bad people. As are children. All people are shit. Nothing can change because the nature of humanity doesn't change. Idealism doesn't work.
You need a hug.

>>15468778
yeah, Haru felt fucking shoved
had they even bothered to at least show her attending the school since the beginning of the game or something it would have been better

>>15468751
>But adults are bad people
Sojiro is a cool dude alongside Yoshida and Iwai. Sae is kind of a piece of shit but you can tell she cares deeply for her sister and just wants to prepare her for the real world

>>15468780
No, I'm perfectly content with the state of the world, I'm not someone that foolishly believes they can change it. People say the past was more violent and hateful but those things never went away, they just repositioned where they're most situated. People say the world is in crisis right now, but the world has ALWAYS been at crisis. here's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this planet.

A pessimist believes things will get worse, but I'm not a pessimist because I don't believe that because I don't think things ever get "worse" or "better", overall human nature is a pretty universal constant through history. I know you're going to say something about me not being happy, but people in reality DON'T want to be happy. If we wanted to be happy, heroin and crack would be a RIGHT, not an illegal substance. If we wanted to be happy. comedy would be more valued than drama, rather than reality being the other way around. We wouldn't be so enamored with and watching the same two teenagers fall in love and die over, and over, and over again.

We don't want to be happy. We want to be satisfied.

>>15468801
I think you missed the point of my post.

>>15468778
>And then there's Haru, who doesn't even get a resolution because her plot is rushed so the only thing we can do is infer that she really is suffering inside because it feels like she really doesn't care that her father died.
Its like you don't do S Links at all.

>>15468841
>S.Links

This is what killed Persona. Now your character growth are locked to S.Links instead of happening IN THE MAIN FUCKING STORY LINE. This wasn't a problem with P3 because the characters developed throughout the storyline.

>>15468806
People want to be happy, not be a fucking degenerate.

Drugs are like porn, you enjoy them but your mind knows it's wrong.

You stray from the path.

>>15468847
Without social links there's 0 point to even having the day to day life aspect and we'd just go back to dungeon crawling with cutscenes in between.

>>15468855
What you don't want to increase your social status? Go finish? Work at a part-time job? Study? OR WASTE AN ENTIRE FUCKING NIGHT TO MAKE A FUCKING LOCKPICK?

>>15468861
The day to day life aspect is what make Persona its own thing. More than just another RPG.

>>15468848
>People want to be happy, not be a fucking degenerate.

That's a moral argument, nothing more.

>Drugs are like porn, you enjoy them but your mind knows it's wrong.

That is patently false, there is no "right" or "wrong" to the brain itself. It is merely an organ fueled by chemicals, and when chemicals flip switches for the brain it naturally wants to pursue those no matter how destructive it is to yourself or others. But again, people don't want to be happy, they want to be satisfied. There are a million ways to make us happy chemically and most of us don't do it.

>>15468967
YEAH LET'S INHALE GLUE AND WE ALL BE HAPPY AS FUCK!

>>15468778

My only problem with Haru is by the time she's joined, you're too busy with other confidants to do hers. Again, my issue is with the pacing there. And that's ignoring that the shogi girl was originally going to be a party member too, squeezing even more shit in.

>>15468976
Yes, you will, because it will trigger the endorphins in your brain that make you happy. Happiness like sadness is just a chemical equation.

>>15468523

>P5 could have been anime Clockwork Orange

Curses.

>>15468523
>>15468988
>>15468571

Why make a protanist that is impossible to be sympathetic to, unless the whole point is just to be subversive? Even Rance, who is a rapist and went so far as to once kill some kids for kicking his sand castle, is still fighting actual injustices in the world, albeit for purely selfish reasons. If the protagonists are entirely in the wrong, why would you want to play as them?

>>15468995

Because it ties back to the wager between Philemon and Nyarlathotep and shows just how right the latter was about mankind gaining any kind of power?

I really hate pissing over "what could have been". No game ever survives its first draft without rewrites, even Deus Ex originally planned for you to be able to stay loyal to UNATCO before Sheldon Pacotti admitted he couldn't write it in a way that seemed believable for JC.

It's just a case of the grass is greener.

>>15469002

Nya only proved that in P2 because he cheated, he rigged the game by inserting himself into it. This isn't like the Book of Job where satan explictly says at the start he's going to fuck with Job to prove a point, not the wager was that Phil and Nya would both give some people power and see what happens.

Not to mention, Nyarlathotep is sealed away from the universe until Tatsuya can remember the events of IS, and Philemon is too weak to do anything anymore.

>>15469004

Well if you consider that Sho from Ulimax was intended as a beta for the P5 protag, the original drafts give us a neat look into the operating concept at the time and just how much they clash with what we got.

>>15469012

Eh, they both cheated to some extent so that's kind of a moot point. Also, did they ever explain why his usual Emperor butterfly is now a Luna moth?

>>15469017
>Also, did they ever explain why his usual Emperor butterfly is now a Luna moth?

Design change, nothing more.

>>15469017
>Eh, they both cheated to some extent
Philemon didn't cheat, he is bound to his rule of non-interference with mortal events outside of granting power. However, that does NOT bind him from interfering with the actions of other gods.

>>15469017

I really dont see it as a clash, the original trailer asked if you're a slave and if you want emancipation, and in the end that's what the game is about, it's just a different focus on what system you're being emancipated from.

Really the answer is everything in this series is Philemon's fault in some way.

P1? His idea
P2? The wager
P3/4/5? Would those gods even have been able to start shit if he had enough of his former strength to prevent their interference?

>>15468995
>Why make a protanist that is impossible to be sympathetic to
Going in the opposite direction isn't better either. As of now the PT are just not interesting characters which may be do to the fact that the game doesn't really do much with any of them or just flat out ignore their presence.

>>15469046
>As of now the PT are just not interesting characters

Well I don't know what to tell you other than I loved playing through the game with these characters. The only one I didn't get emotionally attached to was Haru because she joined too late to the game's end.

>>15469044

Nyx is presented more an eventuality for mankind; it's just that either MC is slowing them down.

>>15469036
>and in the end that's what the game is about,
Nobody is really a slave to anything in P5 and if you say their slaves to society fucking kill yourself because that is the hackiest way out

>>15469051

Nyx is only mad because of Erebus. After all in Nocturne she's little more than a bar owner.

>>15469054

I don't care if it's hacky, it's true. That's literally why they started to disappear BttF style near the ending, because they depend on society to exist.

>>15469049
>Well I don't know what to tell you other than I loved playing through the game with these characters
Yeah I really liked how they grew through the ga....

Well I did like all their group moments it made them feel like real fri.....

They look cool I guess.

>>15469064

I guess you just don't personally get attached to characters.

>>15469065
I'm not given a reason to is the problem.

>>15469054

From the perspective of Japanese social norms, it makes sense though the original draft played it up more to the point of it being akin to a Chaos-aligned playthrough in MegaTen proper.

>>15469055

That's Amala network shenanigans. Personaverse is part of the off-shoot created by If...

>>15469049

I actually found her the easiest to get invested in, especially her path to self-determination after her father's death and seeing what his mind had become.

>>15469068

It makes me feel like I have friends.

>>15469064
>>15469046
This is the problem most people here have with IBO's characterization. It feels like in both cases the writers don't do enough with the characters to make you care, not that they're unlikable there's just not a lot to them.

>>15469077
Wow that's sad.

>>15469082

You try being a complete shut-in autist at 30 and have irl friends.

>>15468438
>Sae was supposed to be your guardian and Makoto didn't even exist.
I don't see how changing some earlier concept ideas is being "all over the place"

>>15469072
>especially her path to self-determination after her father's death and seeing what his mind had become.
And this is all done within a few cutscenes compared to someone like Mitsuru who took months to get over her father's death and unless you maxed that proficiency by the time she joins you you won't be able to get her social link open in your first playthrough.so you won't get to know how she's dealing with her father's death. The game just completely fucked over her character and people still want to argue that the writing in P5 is great.

>>15469093
>and unless you maxed that proficiency by the time she joins you you won't be able to get her social link open in your first playthrough.
So like half the confidants in 5, which for some reason require almost if not a fully maxed social stat to progress?

>>15469093
I think the general consensus is that its still a great game but the story and characters are considerably weaker not to the point to completely bring down the game but enough for you to wonder what exactly happened after the Space Station. Won't even touch the issue with the OST since a lot of people will die by it for being different from the J-pop and J-rap of the previous games.

>>15469093

That's the thing. She gets over her dad's death so fast because she latches onto Joker emotionally and uses him to fill the void. It's part of why she's the only girl who can't take when he rejects her love.

>>15469098
>So like half the confidants in 5
You're only locked if you want to to date someone which requires max charm and Futaba which requires max kindness

>>15469105
The problem is that in her S.Link, it should be in the story that she's having issues getting over her father's death which was the point of the Disneyland trip where she was trying to put up a face in front of everyone so they could have a good time. Her needing an emotional clutch is a better S.Link than Makoto pretending that you're her BF, that retarded shit with Ann and that creepy maid one with your teacher but it needed to be in the main storyline.

>>15469109

I meant males too, and not just dating

Iwai: Courage 4, later 5
Sojiro: Kindness 5
Makoto: Charm and Knowledge 5
Yusuke: Proficiency 4
Tae: Charm 4
Togo: Charm 3

This is purely to advance

>>15465109
How basic.

>>15469044
The big bads of P3, 4 and 5 are all brought about by the subconscious desires of mankind. One is directly created by mankind's subconscious desires.

>>15469101

Mass Destruction is my favorite battle theme Atlus has come up with, it doesn't change that I think Life Will Change is the best song in the franchise.

>>15469121

Again, I think Philemon would've slapped the shit of those gods if he still had his strength

>>15469054
>Nobody is really a slave to anything in P5
Yusuke, Haru, Kawakami, Volleyball team, Kaneshiro's victims, etc

>>15469116
So basically you just don't like how the game does its characterization. Honestly I'm kinda glad it's separate from the story because it means if I don't give a shit about a character, I can just ignore their problems. A lot better than fucking Junpei and Ken being a shit for months on end in the main plot.

>>15469101

I didn't think 5's characters were weaker than 4's, if only I didn't feel like everyone wanted to suck my dick the moment they met me.

>>15468778
>the only thing we can do is infer that she really is suffering inside because it feels like she really doesn't care that her father died.
See, i keep seeing people complaining about this, and it also irked me a little while playing, but her father was about to sell her as a fucking sex slave, I can't really see her not giving a shit about his death as a flaw

>>15469130
Would he though? He doesn't interfere with mortals outside of granting power, an each of those events are directly caused by the subconscious desires of mortals.

>>15469150

He does however interfere with gods that are interfering with mortals.

>>15469152
But the bet between Igor and Demiurge in P5 is basically word-for-word the bet between Philemon and Nyarly.

>>15469158
>But the bet between Igor and Demiurge in P5

There was no bet, the Demiurge broke into the VM, sealed Igor away in a gem, and split his assistant in two so she couldn't remember shit.

He only revealed himself because he got butthurt that his fun was over.

>>15469152
But they only interfere because that whats the subconscious of mortals is wanting. Yaldobaoth was directly created by mortals. At least with Izanami, shes merely acting on the desires of the subconscious, but Yaldy was created directly by it.

>>15469164

SMT has shown that the gods don't want the world destroyed because then their little snowglobe to shake is gone.

Guys, the real lesson of P5 is that Mitsuru is just really shitty at her job.

>>15469168
Only Nyx was going to destroy the world, though. Izanami and Yaldy weren't necessarily going to destroy the world, though.

Besides, Persona world seems to be separate from the rest of SMT.

>>15469117
That's the whole reason social stats exist, what would be point of maxing courage or kindness if it wasn't to open social links?

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>>15469169

Was that ever in doubt?

>>15469173
>Yaldy weren't necessarily going to destroy the world

Merging reality with mementos would be really really bad.

>>15469177

So you can ace your midterms, duh

>>15469182
I mean, at least in P4, they didn't get involved since the Shadow Operatives weren't set up yet

But P5 was confirmed as 4 years after Arena. She has no excuse anymore.

>>15469133
>Yusuke,
A slave to what? He wanted to be under Madarame due to the debt he owned him for raising him
>Haru
Again she chose to do, being a slave is different from willingly going about it
>Kawakami, Volleyball team, Kaneshiro's victims,
Not main characters also the former chose her own situation.

>>15469196
>the former chose her own situation
not really, she was being blackmailed, both literally and emotionally

>>15468751

There is no humanity Adam, you're still tripping with that chick in the garden without making a move on her. Thorn apples are weird, really, just like all the solanaceae drugs.
Just snap out of it and you're fine to actually start with all that populating business. I guess you'll be wise enough to not replicate your bad trip experiences.

>>15469134
>A lot better than fucking Junpei and Ken being a shit for months on end in the main plot.
I agree that they're not good characters but you can't really deny their development through the course of the game also you really don't have to deal with Ken's faggotry for more than a month given how rushed it is.

>>15469141
>, if only I didn't feel like everyone wanted to suck my dick the moment they met me.
Yeah instead they can't do anything without you
>>15469147
She's just not an asshole anon its the same reason why Yusuke says that he can't hate Madarame after all the shit he did because when push comes to shove he raised him when he had nothing. The game could have used some levity between the adults to make them more sympathetic and to make it less like brainwashing because it really things like a half-hearted lesson to say you can solve your problems by forcing the people who did u wrong to confess their sins.

>>15469210
>I agree that they're not good characters but you can't really deny their development through the course of the game also you really don't have to deal with Ken's faggotry for more than a month given how rushed it is.

I'd rather not deal with them at all.

>>15469209
I think you're missing the point of my post, that we're shit, but it's because we're shit that we've ever accomplished anything.

>>15469182
MARIN FUCKING KARIN

>>15469212
You're a tough customer to please. Well at least you're better than /v/ and /vg/ who think both of them are the best characters in the game and put the casts in P4 and P5 to shame.

>>15469220

Ken was a shitty child character even before he got Shinji killed, fuck Ken.

>>15469210
>a half-hearted lesson to say you can solve your problems by forcing the people who did u wrong to confess their sins.
It solves your immediate problems

>>15469226
Well the cast didn't really seem to have much on their plate once they stole their hearts.

>>15469214

You didn't accomplish anything beyond doing drugs in my backyard claiming you were tricked into it by a fucking snake of all things.
I am mercyful though so I'll let all this gnostic crap about evil Demiurge or bad universe slide and make sure you won't do any harm to yourself or your girlfriend while tripping.
Come on, man, don't let trippy visuals fool you, your metaphysical ramblings are pretty lame to be honest.

>>15469123
My favorite of P5 would probably be Beneath the Mask. Is pretty calming.

>>15469234
Deflecting what I said by playing a character doesn't prove me wrong.

Why hasn't this franchise gotten rid of hama/mudo spells yet
They do nothing except fuck you over at the worst times

>>15469243

Geez, I don't have to deflect what I haven't even read (because I am also almighty which means being able to do and to not do something at the same time) and of course you're right, that's like your sweet reality tunnel thingie you get with solanaceae shit where you're always right because you think you've actually made an infinite number of tests to prove it (which is again kinda funny considering what you're really doing right now). You won't be able to ascend to my level with that mindset, man. Just try to imagine you're joining Discordians or whatever, It's kinda sad to sit there all day waiting to be able to leave the universe ruling gig to you and finally get to chill with my bro in a sweet void of Nirvana.

>>15469260
>They do nothing except fuck you over at the worst times
For that reason exactly

>>15469263

Mind you, I do chill with him in Nirvana right now though by virtue of not existing, but I still have to watch your antics, so I'd rather not get occupied with that sort of multitasking.

>>15468087
>This girl made me wish to see a darker Kamen Rider series where he enacts justice and get the world rid of evil with a pair of special Colt Peacemakers.

Have you watched Hakaider

>>15469141
So much this
Was it fue to the rural setting? I hated hiw everyone kisses the floor you step on

Despite this game's flaw, I still love it. I still think it's great.

Gonna keep loving P4 and 5, and there's nothing /v/ can do to stop me

>>15469316
Might be because HE SAVED THEIR FUCKING LIVES and is a self-insert player character but no they're just riding his dick just because.

>>15469332
You'll never understand the brilliance in wirting and characterization P2 and P3 has. Enjoy your shitty waifus!

>>15469337
>Implying I don't like those too
>Implying P3 doesn't also have waifus

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>>15469337
>P3

Well I guess Ill just betray you all know for a lark and then die.

>>15469353
Still better then pancake man.

>>15469334
Yusuke and Chie maybe, but everyone else does the same, it was annoying
>>15469349
>>15469353
I still prefer P3 by far after all

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>>15469358
Akechi's link was fucking retarded
>tell him to fuck off in the cafe
>wow now I understand him better
>faggot blows off someone's brains before you
>I understand Akechi better!

>>15469364
>you're not even fucking there for the second one.

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>>15469353
Not so fast! We're the most forgettable Persona villains and don't you forget it! Though you probably don't remember we were even in the game.

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>>15469370
>btw Prosecutor, you will be an aunt soon!

>>15469316
The only members who can be seen as "dick riding" is Rise (who is infatuated with you) and Teddie (who sees you as a mentor) the rest don't really treat you any differently from the rest of boys and I think the only person who even texts you is Yosuke compared to the line upon line upon line of texts you receive from every party member about irrelevant shit

>>15469371

The girl one was okay. She at least had an arc that tied directly to one of the main characters. Bomb Nerd and Gun Jesus though, I don't even remember what their goal was. Something about drugs?

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>>15469389
>Bomb Nerd and Gun Jesus though, I don't even remember what their goal was. Something about drugs?
they didn't want the Dark Hour to end and later on prompt a cult of people calling for Nyx

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>>15469375

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>>15469400

>MAKOTO! Do you have company over? You should be studying!

>I...I am ung sis. Im helping tu...tu TOR! AH! An underclassman. Keep it d...Ooooooown.

>Hmm That's good. That will look good on a resume. Keep up the good work.

With how popular Makoto is, SURELY they won't force a new, canon love interest into the inevitable P5 update, right?

R-right?

I actually don't hate Marie, but I can understand some of the criticism for her. The Answer though, was just bad

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>>15469419
>Marie
don't fucking remind me of that

>>15469419
>SURELY they won't force a new, canon love interest into the inevitable P5 update, right?
Chie is the most popular girl in P4 and they didn't do anything significant with her in Golden though Yosuke being the second most popular character after Yu did get some extra scenes with just the two of them.

>>15469400
Sae is fucking hilarious honestly
>start SL with fortune teller
>cut to her ranting about how someone must be giving me luck or something

>>15469453
>You were doing too good in all your crimes and heists.
>Someone obviously was giving you blowjobs everyday! Who was it? Tell me!!!

>>15469315
I didn't, but now I will. Thanks.

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>>15469462
>"It was Makoto Nijima, student council president of Shujin Academy."
>"You never noticed?"

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>TFW you've been hanging onto Makoto's black tights for 60 hours
>TFW the cops no doubt found them in your possession
>TFW when Sae recognizes them

>>15469495
bet that was awkward as fuck for Sae

>>15467646

Is that a jojo reference?

>>15469438
Chie wasn't the default, though. Rise was. That's why she is the only character that is in love with the MC regardless of S Link.
Just like Yukari was the default, but then Aigis got all the shilling in Fes.

There is no default in P5, though.

>>15469620
>Rise
>default

Also Lovers love the MC by default because its in their title it doesn't mean that they're the main girl and given the recent movies are concern Yukari isn't considered the main lover interest as far as canon go.

>>15469783
I never said main girl. Just the default love interest.

Funny enough, yes, Rise was. In the Golden update, she is now the default date to the Summer festival, even if you don't have a girlfriend, with a follow-up scene of you and her being embarrassed when the others find out at the end of Summer.

Similarly, Yukari is the default date to the festival in P3, even if you aren't dating her. Plus other scenes.

The movie portrayal doesn't change the fact that at one point, Yukari wad considered the default love interest.

But then Aigis and Marie are heavily biased towards now.

>>15469334

It's all the non-part social links to. The only person who isn't immediately nice to you is Ai, but that's standard because the Moon is always a shitter.

>>15469546

Yes, actually. It in fact is.

>>15469883
party*
too*

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>>15469837
Because Aigis is best toaster

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>>15469837
In the anime sure, but in Golden itself, Marie actually isn't as biased towards as you'd think. She does still come across as pretty obnoxious and the game doesn't really hide it. Even with it being the creator's pet and voiced by his seiyuufu KanaHana, she just doesn't work.

Hot as fuck though, I have a severe weakness for striped thigh-highs.

>>15469109
Futaba only requires 4 Kindness to start

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>>15469898
Not anymore.
Beep boop.

Female mc when?

Completely random, but I like how each protagonist has an ultimate Persona of a different Arcana

P3's is Messiah of The Judgment (The Great Seal isn't a Persona)
Yu is Izanagi-no-Okami of The World
And P5's Satanael is The Fool

Just a neat distinction

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>>15469358
>>15469364
Which of these two mega cunt cops was more evil?

And who else hopes that Goro uses Robin Hood instead of Loki in P5: Arena? Because Loki's design was pretty bad.

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>>15470315
Neither one of them did anything wrong though, but Goro is cuter

>>15470315
Adachi killed less people but would have caused a lot more harm to the world if the fog got out like he wanted.
Akechi killed a bunch of people but wasn't a large threat in the grand scheme of things.

>>15469375
>>15469400
>>15469404
>>15469408
>>15469453
>>15469462
>>15469469
>>15469495
>>15469523
I'm disappointed we never got to see any reaction from Sae if you date Makoto

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>>15470593
like this?