LotGH General

>>15460392
Anyone else have ZERO faith in the new anime being anything but trash?

>>15460432
yo

Okay, so I've been stuck at 70something episodes in for a while now and I don't know if I can keep watching. I'd hate to stop after making such an investment already, but Jesus Christ has it gotten slow. Does it ever get good again?

>>15460443
You are literally on the cusp of one of the biggest turns in the story

Between Yang and Reinhard, which one would win in a fist fight?

>>15460452
When both are at prime health? Reinhard. Reinhard was not just a noble but a prime specimen and a diligent soldier. Yang only joined the military to pay for his college and was horribly out of shape. Dusty, Schenkopf, Poplin, and pretty much all high ranking members of the FPA comment on how their leader is an excellent strategist and leader but a piss poor soldier.

>>15460432
Yeah pretty much
>>15460443
Keep going, it's about to get real

LotGH just makes me want a benevolent dictator in charge but power corrupts, plus, no one in their right mind would want to stress over running everything if they weren't going to be an asshole about it

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>>15460432
Yeah, these fancy new remakes always screw something up. "Gone with the Sun" indeed. Bah.

>>15460432
It'll be trash. I want to be pleasantly surprised but I'm not hopeful.

LoGH got this weird british sense of humor that I can't help but adore

>>15460443
LEAVE THIS THREAD. There's a number of anons that get off on posting spoilers.

>>15460734
It's not even as much that it's new, what leaves me so cynical is that it's going to be a syndicated TV anime so it's gonna have a fraction of the budget and the staff won't have the level of control that the original had.

>>15460840
It's confirmed to be a TV show? Damn I was hoping for /expecting something like the OVA/Theater release format that Yamato 2199 got. As a TV show it doesn't have a chance.

>>15460840
Dang, a TV show? Yeah, definitely less budget. Ah, well, we can at least hjope it'll be competent, even if not as good as the original.

>>15460889
>>15460941
Confirmed television anime, I'm pretty sure it's currently signed on for 24 episodes. It's also to my knowledge confirmed to not be a new story but just a retelling of the story.

>>15460951
Time to mcfucking kill myself

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>>15460432
Ever since I heard it was going to be based on the manga I lost all interest in it.

>>15460951

That sounds atrocious.

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>>15460951
Only 24 episodes?

>>15461272
I don't know if that's just how many episodes it's signed on for or if it's just how many for now. It is possible that it could get further seasons but I don't see this being popular enough particularly when it's telling the main story of the OVA with a worse budget and a less talented staff.

Is there any new info I missed? They planned to release this this year and we don't even have trailer, seiyuu info, pictures or something.

>>15461997
We know it's made by Production IG and that it's a TV anime rather than an OVA series. So it's pretty much confirmed to be an inferior and unnecessary remake at best or a dumpster fire at worst.

>>15462009
Yeah, thats the info they released two years ago:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-08-13/legend-of-the-galactic-heroes-gets-new-anime-project-by-production-i.g-in-2017/.91627

I thought they already dropped this.

>>15462020
When has Production IG ever been good about keeping people up to date or informed about what they are making?

>>15460432
I have zero faith in it ever happening.

>>15461840
>I don't know if that's just how many episodes it's signed on for or if it's just how many for now. It is possible that it could get further seasons but I don't see this being popular enough particularly when it's telling the main story of the OVA with a worse budget and a less talented staff.

What a bunch of fucking crybabies /m/-tards are.
Yeah it's going to be a 24 fucking episode series, but c'mon people animation has advanced a great deal from the glorious '80s. I'd take 24 episodes with the quality of fafner exodus (that is a tv series by the way) over 100 episodes of LOGH 1980s static oav quality any day with no regrets.

>>15460392
>general
No.

Kessler best boy

so is there a watch order to this? cause I want to watch it but theres multiple series.

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>>15462487
Watch the original OVA, I personally don't think the first movie is a good starting point nor is it very good at selling the series.

>>15462487
>so is there a watch order to this? cause I want to watch it but theres multiple series.

Production order, watch the damn show in production order.

>>15460798
>>>15460443
>LEAVE THIS THREAD. There's a number of anons that get off on posting spoilers.

But does Yang really die??

>>15462611
>But does Yang really die??

No

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>>15462617

You sure about that?

>>15460771
explain

>>15463278
Seems to be the sort of formal deadpan humour the British have refined through a class system and stiff upper lip.

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Most underrated admiral GO
if your answer isn't BASED IRONSHIELD MULLER then you don't know shit

>>15464200
Mecklinger is most underrated

Overall best is Oberstein

>>15464200
Oh, that's some pretty cool art. Is it fanart or official, like for a spinoff or parody or something? Have any more like it?

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>>15464303
>Overall best is Oberstein

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>>15464468
Halloween costumes, I think they came from someone's tumblr

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>>15464477

>>15464477
WHAT IS A DOG? A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF CHICKEN MEAT

haha, really though, these are nifty!

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>>15464477
>>15464468
They're from the browser game

>>15460392
I watched LOGH back in the summer of 2015 I think, has enough time passed to do a rewatch? I want to kill time

>>15464677
I rewatched it a week after finishing it with my gf and I had a great time, go for it

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>>15464303
>Mecklinger is most underrated
I see you're a man of the arts as well.

>Overall best is Oberstein
That's a funny way of spelling Mittermeyer

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>>15464475
How was botching almost every skirmish you were involved in, wild boar admiral?

>>15464689
>I see you're a man of the arts as well.
It's a god damn shame we didn't get to see an episode where Mecklinger visits Phezzan and talks with Reinhard about opera.

>That's a funny way of spelling Mittermeyer
An admirable choice, but he simply cannot compete with the best

>>15464200
attenborough

>>15464200
Patriochev

>>15464200
Dusty "let's pretend to run away" Attenborough

>>15462009
Well Production IG gives me some faith, but if it's 24 episodes it's obviously just going to cover the contents of the first season.

>>15464200
I'm with you it's Muller.

Honestly he gets the least love from what I've seen despite being one of the coolest characters in the show.

Probably a runner up for my favorite behind Mittermyer.

>>15460392
Keep this garbage out of /m/

Sent

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>>15468253
>Logh not allowed on /m/

How new are you?

>>15468177
Considering Production IG also are farting out FLCL 2 this year I have no faith in anything they make for now

>>15462119
>crybaby
Did you read that guy's post?
And do you really think they can tell a 100+ episode story in just 24 episodes?

>>15469490
The first FLCL was trash anyway, but as a production studio, Production I.G are one of the most consistent and high quality studios that still actively make a dozen shows per year. I trust them more than any other studio at least. Sunrise have been DEEN-tier these last few years, and Bones... just no. Xebec has never been good, and if you think about it those are the only studios that actually make /m/echa series these days.

>>15469550
They're not going to tell the whole story in 24 episodes you fucking cancerous braindead nigger

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I don't know why, but the weird Alliance ship designs really appeal to me.

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>>15470217

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>Kircheis

reminder that if you haven't watched lotgh at least three times you are a meme

>>15472798
I want the irish to leave

>>15468352
>"And that is why Yang Wenli is an alcoholic!"

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>>15472872
>yang wenli is an alcoholic

>>15468261
He is not a fake mecha fan

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>>15472939

>>15470287
The Shiva has spikes so birds stop landing on it.

I'm still in the moment, just finished 110 15 minutes ago.

I already bought the newly translated books and I'm up to Geiesburg now.

This series was really amazing, thoroughly enjoyed.

Actual spoilers incoming
Oberstein's death totally took me off guard, the guy took all the shit for everything and barely got any praise. When they terrarists raided the first provisional house, I was actually worried that either Annerose or Mariendorf were going to be killed off in the fire. What a ride
>make sure the dog gets his chicken;_;

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>>15464477
>>15464485
>>15464575
why?

I wish there was a video game where you could control the fleets but all you see are the orange and blue triangles slowing chipping at each other

Did any one have a problem that technology did not seem up to par for 1500 years in the future?

If you could expand that far into space and mobilize millions of men into one battle I feel like technology would've increased insanely fast.

>>15473430
just play some brick buster with some Dvořák blasting in the background

>>15460392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwTn5CKubN8
THREAD THEME

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>>15473444
>Dvořák
>trips
>didn't even post the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOiQDvjuuc

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>>15473469
>That episode where for half of it this is playing over the battle
>MFW

That's when I knew I was hooked. It was about episode 15 or so. Somewhere in the mid teens IIRC.

>>15473478
It was Amlitzer, when the Empire first made contact with the Alliance.

I was peeled to the screen. The first two movies sucked me in pretty good too.

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>my japanese will never be good enough to read the originals

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>>15473485
Oh yeah the two movies were great too, but that's where I went from liking it, to 'HOLY SHIT WHY DID I PUT THIS OFF SO LONG'

>the episode is starting during the OP

No other anime had such a godly soundtrack

Why did the semi circle work?

Like it doesn't increase frontage or firing capability at all does it? The idea was that they were concentrating firing from flank to flank, so does the semi circle help to maneuver better or something?

I wish the book talked more about the formations and tactics, it could delve way deeper in my opinion.

>>15473510
They were right to use classical music.

>>15473512
They were based off of Napoleonic War tactics but they didn't make much sense in space

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>>15473516

>>15473515
Explains nothing really, when did Napoleon use a semi circle like that?

I really liked the tactics though but I mean, I wanted to learn about the ships, the weaponary, why a circle formation was considered defensive, how the fact that you can travel up and down effects a formation. I think it's really interesting and I haven't seen it done really anywhere else.

>>15473485
>>15473478
>>15473469
The pump up was real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egJDJ-ooENU

>>15473494
The books are getting translated. Three of them are already out with some more coming over in June.

>>15473526
I own the first three.

I'm still learning Japanese and I do hope to read them again in Japanese.

>narrators soothing voice

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>>15473429
To be fair the Attenborough pirate costume was actually in the show.

Why didn't Tanaka write more in this universe. He had 1500 years worth of intentional OVAs or side stories set in random times of the Space Era.

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>>15473426
Hell of a ride, wasn't it?

>>15473437
It did, look at Phezzan or FPA. The issue is that after civilization collapsed for a couple hundred years the Goldenbaum empire enforced a puritan society where you reject vice in order to prevent the past from happening again. The imperials lived in fake agrarian times because behind walls and behind scenes the tech was just as advanced such as video screens, electric lights, security systems, etc.

If you were recommending it to someone would you recommend books or anime first?

I feel like in this case its the anime.

>>15474705
>>15474702
Why use battle axes in the future?

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>>15460432
>current year
>anime being good

No man I only watch old shows. The whole waifu degenerate moe shit isn't my thing. I don't hate it though, to each their own.

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>>15460508
Dictators always start well. But something /pol doesn't get is that it ALWAYS ends with abducted school girls being raped in basements. People go funny when they can do anything they want.

You need to have a parliament or supreme court to reign them in.

>>15474732
the armor has reflective coating on the plate bits

So how do you see a sequel working out? I think one focusing on Reunthal's son as the main character would be good who has skewed views of his father's death and plans on toppling Rhinehard's long standing, peaceful government. His Sigfried would be the son of the Goldenbaum who kid who completely vanished when the royalists kidnapped him.

>>15474773
>it ALWAYS ends with abducted school girls being raped in basements
>ends
I'm pretty sure they also start with that. Does anyone think dictators were good people BEFORE they got power?

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>>15474830
You have a point. You have to be a merciless sociopath to even GET on the top. Staying there isn't easy.

And you can't just have a change of heart: if Assad ever stops torturing people and hold an honest election he'll end up at a court being sentenced to death.

>>15475076

I think a big message in LOGH was that it was very easy for people, or at least incompetent people, to get a hold of power but maintaining it was the most challenging part.

>>15475076
It's like the saying goes, 'a successful dictator dies in peacefully in their bed'.

>>15473570

That's how we got Golden Wings.

>>15474046
The anime, the books aren't as good and the translation for the first two books kinda sucks big dick

>>15474732
>>15474787
Because they fill the air with particles that ignite killing everyone when sparked. So they resort to non fire arm weapons.

>>15474817
Just leave it open ended, no need to carry onto other generations when there's a lovely 1500 year gap to fill with story's.

>>15475301
Haven't watched it yet thanks, but still. 1500 years worth of stories, even just a couple living under some random emperor.

>>15475476
I agree, the classical music is needed and the first two movies greatly enhance the first 30 episodes or so.

As I'm reading through the books it seems like they are broken up a lot, almost like a T.V. show cutting from scene to scene. It's usually a page and a half or 3 pages per scene and it feels really fast. Like every paragraph something relevant is happening, really have to pay attention.

>>15475692

There's two episodes that are in-universe documentaries exploring the past

Thee's also an episode that has the history of the goldenbaum emperors, which was hilarious.


Supposedley Tanaka got pressured to do a followup series, involving a 'TNG-style' cast. Thank god his morals kept. Mostly the guy just wants to write chinese history, he's not super convinced he's an amazing writer or anything and needs to constantly throw out iliads.

>>15474761
>I don't hate it
I do, especially since I'm learning Japanese and meet a lot of other people learning Japanese who act like they are anime characters.

If all anime were like LotGH, it would have an entirely different following and probably wouldn't be so looked down upon. My friends won't even watch it because they don't like anime. I've told them. The anime just basically tells the story. LotGH could have been with a live actors.

>>15475706
>Thee's also an episode that has the history of the goldenbaum emperors, which was hilarious.
That was a cool episode. Those emperors man.

>Thank god his morals kept. Mostly the guy just wants to write chinese history, he's not super convinced he's an amazing writer or anything and needs to constantly throw out iliads.
So Tanaka is basically Yang Wen li.

>>15475692
>Because they fill the air with particles that ignite killing everyone when sparked. So they resort to non fire arm weapons.
Also in terms of melee weapons axes are one of the best choices for chopping through armor. They allow you to put a greater amount of force onto a smaller area compared to a sword.
In addition to this, if you crush a man's face in with an ax, you are the manlier man.

>>15476146
Countering methods seemed lackluster though, you could literally have just sealed off corridors if your ax men lost to keep them from advancing.

Or, bait them in and just seal them in a corridor from both sides so they are rendered useless. Or have guys with big thick shields just hunker down and not let them pass.

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>>15476167
>implying that cant just find another way around

>>15475706
>>15475692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed_83Z1kJqc
this fucken youtube video mix of those two episodes is excellent by the way

>>15476184
If you seal someone in a corridor with Zephyr particles at the very least you slow them down and just keep sealing them in corridors they run into. Then just ship over a bunch of dudes from the thousands of other ships all around you to overwhelm them, I don't even know if they used that but they should have.

>>15475706
I wouldn't care for a followup series, but I think one about some of the wars, like the Sirius War, would be cool.

Does anyone else feel more rational in the way they think after watching this?

I'm always thinking if certain events in my life and mine and others reactions to them are helping me to achieve my goals.

>kaisering intensifies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW_t7HNJI2c

>>15476201
None of the corridors aside from Iserlohn or maybe Phezzan were that small and restrictive.

Besides, ships can detect zephyr particles from a distance. What's stopping the enemy from just setting off the clouds of particles from afar? The main reason they were deployed were to enhance destructive effect like when Kircheis destroyed the minefield that was protecting a flanking route to the rear of an FPA fleet, or to force specific conditions like preventing gunfire because zephyr particles were already all over the place and firing would damage their own side.

>>15476351
>None of the corridors aside from Iserlohn or maybe Phezzan were that small and restrictive.
>Besides, ships can detect zephyr particles from a distance. What's stopping the enemy from just setting off the clouds of particles from afar? The main reason they were deployed were to enhance destructive effect like when Kircheis destroyed the minefield that was protecting a flanking route to the rear of an FPA fleet, or to force specific conditions like preventing gunfire because zephyr particles were already all over the place and firing would damage their own side.
I'm talking about when they board ships with axes.
Flood it with particles, seal the ships corridors, send reinforcements from close by ships, capture the enemy landing craft, surround the dudes inside sealed corridor.

>>15475076
A big flaw of autocracy is power struggles. Even just the fear of one.

>>15476356
The majority of raiding actual ships was done by Rossenritter who notably strike in a fast and efficient manner. Rossenritter also were crazy and not afraid to die so they blew up countless bulkheads while rampaging through with superior cqc, and when they hit walls or locked doors they couldn't blow up they split up and looked for another way.

>>15476850
Just saying, since they raided supreme HQ it deserved some thought. Hell even during Tiamat Reinhard should have put measures in place to keep ships from tacking onto to him.

>>15476206

The sirian-earth war was hilariously awful, for what little we saw. Arguably some references to Nanking and that in there and other war atrocities. The nuclear-war background too is pretty ballsy in Japan, I mean, Westerland can be taken as a analogy to the Hiroshima question.

Maybe one day, but it'd have to echo what happens in the main series to keep the whole 'history repeats' theme.

>>15473478
It was episode... 11 I believe, that had me totally hooked. When Countess Benemude was fucking murdered by the aristocracy through forced 'suicide', with the whole event being entirely covered up to the world at large. That was when i truly knew the Empire just had to be overthrown, that Reinhard's cause was entirely just, and just how intensely fascinating the society shifting would become.

>>15477358
The show in and of itself in my opinion was ballsy, lots of controversial themes.

>>15479013
Would you sieg Reinhardo if you were an subject of the empire? What about the Free Planets?

>>15479116
Well, you know the whole thing about 'people should drink water they're accustomed to' thing.

I couldn't put myself in that situation, that'd be a different person brought up with different sets of beliefs and different values.

I just love that this show takes such complex topics and tries to present them in as full and non-diminished a manner as it can. It's truly an intelligent series, and i thank Tanaka for writing it.

>>15479116
LIBERTY STANDS FOR FREEDOM
ALL HAIL THE FRAG THAT SET US FLEE

>>15477358
I liked the part when someone nuked the leader's motorcade, talk about being thorough.

>>15479335
I was actually expecting an answer like this. I like it.

>>15479336
STANDING RIGHTEOUS, SYMBOLEEK OF STRENGTH
OW HOPES FAH FLEEDOM TO BE

>>15479799
Is it weird that the absolute most hype moment in the show for me was when Reinhard and Yang started debating philosophy? Like 'fuck yeah' and pumping the air excited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr4wXRtKJIo
Wow so epic cant wait

>>15480468
It is weird because the part where Reinhard says, "That boy wants to teach me something" after Julian boarded the Brunhild and they began discussing the future of the empire when Reinhard was in full knowledge he would be dead soon was better.

>>15480550

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7grjXe2Eyo

>You will never experience this pump up in the 80's

Was Yang really a better admiral then Reinhard? I mean Yang didnt really accomplish much.

>>15482043
Except thwarting Reinhard pretty much everywhere.

In terms of his own accomplishment of his goals he failed though, no pension life.

How come the Empire doesn't have a special forces too?

>>15480550
kek

>>15482043
Yang could've killed Reinhard like three times before the time of Episode 1 if Paetta and Lobos didn't have their heads up their arses.

On a similar note, what would've happened if the Alliance government had gone along with Yang after Iserlohn's capture and tried to sue for peace? Would the Empire (or at least Reinhard) shift their focus to the Fezzan corridor or just continue the clusterfuck battles their with the roles reversed?

>>15482717
they all defected, though some defected back

>>15483598
Fezzan

>>15480414
>>15479336
DIE KAISA REINHARDO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGu1Szl74WU

>>15475692
>Just leave it open ended, no need to carry onto other generations when there's a lovely 1500 year gap to fill with story's.
I would love to see a series set during the Universal Era, with someone like Admiral Wood as MC. Better yet, an actual series devoted to Rudolf's ascension to Emperor, with an arc devoted to him rising through the ranks killing pirates, and an additional arc as a politician and finally emperor.

There's a lot that's mentioned during the documentary episodes that could easily be the groundwork for a bunch of standalone series. There's even room for Gundam-esque politics, with the conflict between Sirius and Earth.

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>>15460517
> East West
> Clearly West Side Story

>>15483847
An episode where people are panicking at the expansion of the Earth fleet to quell the pirates would be neat considering Japan is going through something similar with it's overseas forces after so many years of just a defensive army.

Considering the fact that Rudolf "burned them alive in their ships" you could just make them out to be people just trying to feed their families and turning to piracy and you'd have a nice cozy tragedy.

I've never been a fan of the MC's kids continue the story

Is it bad I want to see a CGI adaptation of a battle like Vermillion? No actors or anything, just what the ships might actually look like and how a battle might actually flow in real time.

Maybe not real time because Vermillion was over a day long but just ships slowly maneuvering in formations. Hundreds of thousands of them.

Why were there so many earth like planets?

Were they all the result of terraforming? It's too bad they didn't have things like the colonies in Gundam which seemed really practical, especially for early expansion.

Just pack up a self sustaining colony, put some rockets on it and send it out to colonize new planets.

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>>15484126
it's not quite that there were so many, but they have had several hundred years to find them. It's what, a bit over 50 planets?

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>>15484126
The empire and alliance each take up the majority of two arms of the milky way, thats a lot of planets.

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>>15484146
I guess it would all depend on the likelyhood of finding actual earth like planets, or I guess planets close enough that they could be turned earthlike over time.
This is a good map though, makes things more believeable. I was following this one >>15484138 which made it kind of confusing with the layout.

Am I close to what that map is depicting with the blue as alliance and red as Empire, the dots being Iserlohn and Phezzan.

Very rough estimate that is.

>>15484146
>>15484146
According to that map, in the long run, say 2000 years in the future, which side would've had the advantage in exploration? Empire wrapping around the FP or FP moving into the center? Or is it dangerous to go to the center?

>>15484253
It seems like expansion follows along the spiral arms of the galaxy. They'd just keep following the spiral arms until they'd bump into each other. Who the fuck knows what their rate of expansion would be.

Didn't Reinhard control the FPA territory as well by the end of the episode? His only opposition was the forces holed up at Iserlohn.

>>15484261
Assuming they kept fighting or reconvened fighting after the Lohengramm dynasty ends, which was still possible. Over the long term someone should end at a disadvantage.

But it might be slow expansion if they spend resources on fighting.

Or even imagining that they never bumped into each at all and just kept expanding in their pre war pre Reinhard worlds.

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MEE
TAH
MYA

>show about a virgin sperging all over the galaxy

>>15484405
That is sorta accurate

Has anyone read the books? I feel like they aren't very descriptive and I was hoping to learn more about the technology and characters and stuff.

>>15488140
I'm curious about that also

>>15484356
KEER
CHEIS

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>>15489878
This thread would be more active if he was here

>>15489900
KEERCHEISUUUUU

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>>15484356
O
BA
STEIN

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>>15461134
>It's based on manga

>>15460392
Is this cartoon better than Gundam trilogy?

>>15474695
>>15474702
>>15474705
>>15474707
What the hell is this? LOGH?

>>15491166
LoGH can get super brutal. You see many people with their guts hanging out when they show a ship that's taken a direct hit.

>>15491180
Yeah, but 110 eps are way too much

How about Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu (2017)?

>>15491191
Not for a story this well told and engaging, told at such a grand scale.

>>15491191
You can watch 110 episodes you fucking autist, you browse this fucking board after all.

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>>15491191
Just watch it, man.

>>15491191
No it's not.

It does pretty good with it's 110 episodes, there are some slow bits but for a series of it's size they're few and far between.

Well one could argue that most of it is a slow bit but I'm talking about the types of parts where not much is happening even when things are slow the story is still progressing.

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>>15475090

>>15491193
How about no?

>>15491191
Pussy

>>15489900
Kircheis and Oberstein couldn't exist at the same time and still have Reindhard succeed.

And Reinhard needed Oberstein more.

You know it to be true.

>>15488140
>>15489499
I'm reading them, there's a few things. Like the mention the ships use a form of rail guns and they have different varieties like torpedo boats vs missile ships, light cruisers etc.

And that each planet has weird ass time zones/day night cycles. It's kind of neat but it's almost word for word to the anime.

I'm working my way up to Japanese novels one day.

>>15491191
It's broken into roughly 25-30 ep chunks with clear visible arcs and climaxes. It's pretty approachable. Have you not watched 2 50 ep series that were one big story before? Same thing.

>>15491719
>>15475090

He's a historical catalyst. Also a theme of the show.

>>15473519
Napoleon didn't, that's a British enveloping line.

>>15489930
BITTO
FELD

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>>15492624
This is not enveloping as far as I know.

They formed a semi circle and somehow that made shooting concentrated points against Bittenfeld more effective. I'm trying to figure out why with 19th century style tactics would making a semi circle make any difference.

Maybe I'm just doomed to be routed like Bittenfeldo.

>>15493775
That formation allows multiple ships to focus for in a specific direction while still overwhelming the opposition with overwhelming fire. Fighting straight forward is idiocy but if you don't have the time to take proper formation you gotta do what you gotta do.

All the tactics seem simplistic but despite what many online generals think simple tactics are the main thing you do in massive ship formations. The key to a good military commander is having the capacity to come up with the best formation and movement quickly and executing it just as fast.

>>15493792
So basically it makes it easier to maneuver the ships to a concentrated point easier? Like swiveling from right to left?

Fuck I feel like they skimmed over so much of the tactics so quickly. They should have focused on what individual ships were doing in respects to aiming/targeting/weapons in a 3D forward canon environment. Even a seperate 5-10ish episode series just about Amlitzer or Vermillion would have been really cool just focusing on a cruiser's crew instead of focus on the admirals.

>>15493809
They told enough, focusing too much on explaining the tactics would have distracted from the narrative and slowed down the pace. As you read about ship combat you see that it's pretty basic and simple, and that the advent of submarines/other technology has rendered fleet battles obsolete.

>>15493827
>They told enough, focusing too much on explaining the tactics would have distracted from the narrative and slowed down the pace
That's why I say a grunt like side series would be cool. Hopefully they do something with it with the new one.

>As you read about ship combat you see that it's pretty basic and simple, and that the advent of submarines/other technology has rendered fleet battles obsolete.
I only say because usually ships stay in constant motion and fire most effectively broadside. They seem to be able to become stationary and start up/move if and when needed and have most of their firepower in the nose, which I imagine is because the canon is too big to have it out the side. As far as I know they never really talk about the main canons much.

I did imagine them basically as space subs instead of ocean going ships.

Also the fact that they could be fighting upside down, or straight up depending on perspective is fun to imagine.

>>15493835
>>15493827
Also I would not have minded at all if the extra time added a new season to the main story line.

>>15493835
>That's why I say a grunt like side series would be cool. Hopefully they do something with it with the new one.
They aren't, they are adapting the manga which is an inferior version of the OVA.

>I only say because usually ships stay in constant motion and fire most effectively broadside. They seem to be able to become stationary and start up/move if and when needed and have most of their firepower in the nose, which I imagine is because the canon is too big to have it out the side. As far as I know they never really talk about the main canons much.
Going broad side works when you are using imprecise cannonballs and other armaments. With the giant ships they use going broadside just makes you a massive target and doesn't allow you to use the main weapons on the ship because the ships were built around an enormous rail gun that only fired forwards.

>Also the fact that they could be fighting upside down, or straight up depending on perspective is fun to imagine.
That's the biggest disappointment of LOGH, they didn't take advantage of the 3D space to get that creative with the battles. They did it sometimes and they gave good reasons why they didn't at others, but it would have been nice to see. Then again they might have ended up VERY confusing visually.

The other gripe I have with LoGH is that they treat the galaxy like all planets are on a single X axis with no Y differentiation.

>>15493916
>Going broad side works when you are using imprecise cannonballs and other armaments. With the giant ships they use going broadside just makes you a massive target and doesn't allow you to use the main weapons on the ship because the ships were built around an enormous rail gun that only fired forwards.
That's what I imagined, I read the ginei wiki now and they didn't even have an answer for it but it makes logical sense.

>they didn't take advantage of the 3D space to get that creative with the battles. They did it sometimes and they gave good reasons why they didn't at others, but it would have been nice to see. Then again they might have ended up VERY confusing visually.
I imagine the early stages of battles were the admirals trying to get above or behind or get in any advantageous position that would expose more of the enemy ships to fire instead of straight on.

Eventually they shift to meet you head on to counter it, I imagine that the small struggle to gain a better angle continues throughout the battle as the spin constantly trying to get about or below the enemy.

Like imagining line infantry always tending to want to face their opponents but on an x-y-z axis instead. If they made too dramatic a move to do this they would only expose themselves. It would be funny to watch an entire battle upside down though or angled.

>The other gripe I have with LoGH is that they treat the galaxy like all planets are on a single X axis with no Y differentiation.
I think it's still there, just the map represents the distance/travel time with respects to other plants. It should be a 3d map though because to planet hop like I assume they do you would have to go up and they down and over or whatever but this would make for a lot of vertical backtracking.

I really love the series but I feel like there is a missed opportunity with intense detail (Which I went in prepared for) with the series.

Does that mean it's basically getting a 2017 reboot?

>>15493944
>Does that mean it's basically getting a 2017 reboot?
Yes but instead of an OVA with a high budget that is adapting the main source under the vision of the director, it's a TV anime directly adapting the manga which already might be the worst version of the story. i also don't see the voice staff being anywhere near as star studded.

>>15460392
http://gineiden-anime.com/
any news???

>>15491271
What the hell happened to that fat fuck? His incompetence was legendary. He just vanished after the failed invasion. Off screen death?

>>15496758
Didn't even remember him till now but I forgot how awesome the dogfights were.

>>15489930
KA
KA

>>15496758
He was betting on the invasion being a huge success and being rewarded with promotion to HQ chief but was forced to resign alongside Sithole.

Volume one of the books mentions that he used to be quite competant in his youth, but went full retard when he hit middle age

BOOK REPORT

Books do not include, anything from the first two movies, it's basically like the anime in that respect but I'm sad it's not included. The story when the alliance invades and that random officer meets that mayors daughter and all the men die rebelling against the alliance. The part were Yang makes a fire storm out of Amlitzer as payback for Tiamat and the part where that countess that loves the first emperor is forced to commit suicide.

So far that's all I've noticed but It's quite a lot of things I liked in the show.

Each book is also about 25-40 pages shorter than it's Japanese counterpart. I'm not all too sure if that's due to translation or things that have been omitted.

Worth the read, I think the show is better.

>>15498401
What the hell happened? How does your ability to command decrease that much? Any real world examples of this? Guess I could ask /his/.

>>15464689
I wonder if there's any edits to make it seem like Mecklinger collects some kind of horrifying fetish art like Data paints in the ST:TNG edits.

>>15479013
>When Countess Benemude was fucking murdered by the aristocracy through forced 'suicide', with the whole event being entirely covered up to the world at large. That was when i truly knew the Empire just had to be overthrown
Wasn't Benemude kind of a turbocunt tho

>>15499483
I made a few edits awhile back that swapped in among other things Dali's Persistence of Memory and the scream. No idea where I left them though.

>>15499486
Weren't all the nobles?

>>15499483
He wrote a lot about his life, the narrator mentioned it. I bet he was detailed. For a while I thought the narrator might actually be reading his book

>>15476336
Happened to me too, often after reading a good book, also

I'm not accostumed to reading gargantuan literature but surely you'd feel the same after War and Peace or something of sorts

>>15499497
>For a while I thought the narrator might actually be reading his book
God damn I thought I was the only one

>when the narrator quotes opinions from mittermeyer or muller or whoever years after the events
jizz in my pants

>>15499561
I picked up on, "On War" by Karl von Clauswitz who was an officer for Prussia during the Napoleonic wars, he witnessed Borodino, Waterloo and the likes and was a significant figure in the times even going so far as to fight against Prussia only to fight Napoleon.

It's basically the manual for LotGH if you read all his books, I can't imagine Tanaka didn't read it. I have my eyes on War and Peace as well now.

>>15499570
It's kind of cheesy but in the 80's it might not have been but I was expecting the last episode to reveal it was a documentary all along, later organized by Julian and some of the admirals in Yang's honor. It would end with some interviews from Mittermeyer's kid talking about his dad and the admirals he was introduced too.

I really loved those documentary episodes. Really made the show feel historical and have weight to it's events.

>love political stuff
>can't get through 5 episodes of LOGH
What am I doing wrong? I think switching from that movie to episode 3 is what's throwing me off but I can't be sure

>>15476336
I sure did. As I often say, watching stuff like LoGH (and other /m/aterial) made me a better person--I started trying to remain rational in many situations rather than getting angry, contribute more to communities I was a part of, and I even started to vote and get involved in IRL citizenship-type things after watching LoGH.

>>15462119
>. I'd take 24 episodes with the quality of fafner exodus (that is a tv series by the way) over 100 episodes of LOGH 1980s static oav quality any day with no regrets.
No I think LOGH is just fine how it is faggot Nigger, Goddam kiddo yer brain is all ass backwards

>>15499450
It's called complacency. He was no longer fighting for the war, he was fighting for personal benefit and promotions. He was not a soldier at this point he was looking at his career and intended to get a promotion. You see this shit all the time on politics, people who have been in the system for so long stop trying and don't comprehend losing as an option so they put minimal effort in and expect to be rewarded. This was an issue plaguing most of the FPA's upper brass.

>>15489878
How do you pronounce Kirchies?

>>15500356
Keer-he-ice

A little phlegm added onto the H

>>15473437
There's a forced 19th century aesthetic in the Empire, mostly to concentrate power in the hands of the nobility, but also to prevent widespread 'moral degradation' or some bullshit.
The FPA's tech and culture is intentionally utilitarian because they're focuses all their resources into fighting the Empire, which is both larger, more populated, and somewhat more advanced.

>>15500356
Use Google Translate for German and type it in.

Reinhardt was right, it's a nice sounding name. I really liked the Prussian Professionalism route the took for the admiralty.

>>15500085
>tfw voting in provincial election today

A nation being closely knit to each other is very important to it's success, at least if everyone is kind of on the page.

>>15499889
Yes after you watch the first two movies the resulting episodes don't actually touch of the romance/relationships from the movies and it kind of feels like it didn't happen. It also feels a little slower paced with less detail for a bit.

You're not interested in the slightest to see Yang go to Iserlohn? Or the space battles that are coming your way?

I want my friends to watch LotGH because they are interested in politics and technology but I know they won't want to because it's anime.

What would Reinhard do?

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>>15500530
He would sell the series on its merits alone, not its background or genre.
Those who judge something by its association and lineage, and not its accomplishments, are not people worthy of respect.

That's what Reinhard would do.

Yang, on the other hand, would accept that it's their right to deprive themselves of valuable knowledge and life experience. Just because he's factually correct and LotGH is factually great, doesn't mean his opinion is right.

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A game like this would be really cool, I wish I could code.

>>15500553
>He would sell the series on its merits alone, not its background or genre.
My plan is to do this, then as a buffer say it's based on a book if needed. I'm probably in the Yang camp though.
>You're entitled to your own opinion, it's wrong but...

>>15500557
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf57myMJKyg

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>>15500557
Imagine a game where you had to manage things like energy reserves, propellant, and ammunition as well as fleet composition, organization, and formation.
Most of the game would be running drills, tweaking ship movements until you have a seamless maneuver involving thousands of ships, hot-keying them for use in the middle of battle. Flanking maneuvers, pincers, hit-and-run, maybe that cool ferris wheel thing Mittermeyer pulled. Not to mention center peels and attack feints for when shit goes tits up.
Then you would have to manage things like supply routes, depots, food, and morale. Assemble your best admirals and manage their strengths to offplay their weaknesses. You'd also have to manage the politics back home to avoid your superiors recalling you or your reinforcements during a battle.

That is what a true blue Legend of the Galactic Heroes game would be like. An absolute nightmare to code, but absorbing as fuck to play.

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>>15500596
>All that shit
>You get to be Reinhardo or The Magician
UUUUUUNGGHOHGOD

>>15500596
Basically a LotGH grand strategy. Like Hearts of Iron.

The real kicker I think is you play AS Reinhard, you tell Mittermeyer to do something, you can't control what he does though, you don't get to see what his situation is if he's a few planets over. You don't get to see if he was successful, or even still alive.

Something like this exists in wargaming but you need to manufacture individual scenarios and it takes the, 'anything could happen' aspect out', if it's is too detailed.

That's why I just want a triangle simulator, watching the show it's like it's almost begging to be a game. The game is you are the admiral, you are in your ship, you only know the information given to you and you are only as good as your subordinates. It would need some kind of random admiral generator and you would need to select 3 admirals from a selection of 10 or so prior to the battle.

If you try to include everything in there at once. other parts will suffer, much like the admirals in the show managing their fleet AND each individual ship.

But seriously if you haven't played grand strategy games, go download Victoria 2 or Hearts of Iron 2 or 3 for a fucking good time.

>>15500618
Well, yeah, rendering ALL those ships would be processer buggery of the highest order
Having shapes that represent a certain number of ships in formation would be the way to do it, though the option to focus in on certain sections where it's traditionally rendered would be cool, if only for pretty looking snippets of the over all battle.
Kind of like what they do in the show, actually

>>15500665
I don't know, personally I like games like Dwarf Fortress where graphics and prettiness can be thrown out the window entirely for an expansive detailed game. I know not everyone agrees with this so the triangles work best.

I mean really, thinking about it now, it's actually not hard to code, it seems really simple. You could start even simpler too, like just 1 triangle against another, add some attack/def stats, have the animation deteriorate as it loses health. Add more ships later on.

I really know nothing about coding but it sounds very basic with room for expansion.

And they would be orange and blue triangles, no reason you couldn't one day fill a screen with hundreds of them and not have it affect the processing too much.

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>>15500618
>You can't control what your admirals do, or even keep meaningful tabs on their battles


>tfw you're getting your ass kicked
>tfw all your hotkey'd maneuvers were countered
>tfw your strategy has been sussed out and smashed by the enemy
>tfw you're staring down the neutron cannons of your honorable and skilled adversary
>tfw they stand down because that small attache you left behind to hold territory tear-assed through some backwaters and took the enemy capital
>tfw you've been denied victory by your own hand AND an honorable death
yey
I win I guess

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>>15500692
But think of the satisfaction,
>You're losing
>Don't know if you other force received the message to come to this location and maneuver behind the enemy
>You launch a counterattack that could succeed if that force happens to show up now
>It's about to fail
>The other force arrives

>>15500711
God, what I would give to have the Black Lancers as a unit in reserve.

Just when the battlefield gets a little too stagnant, just add those guys and watch them wreck shit while you reorganize your more flexible units

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always my favorite

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>>15500732
>They go too far and get encircled
>again

>there will never be a game where you can snap your fingers to give orders

>>15500781
>that katakana rape
>トラウイスカルパンテクートリ
>Torau~isukarupantekūtori

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>>15500804
I didn't even consider the translation

>>15499827
I'm 100% picking this up

>you will never get drunk with any of these bros

>>15501275
>tfw pontificating about chinktoons on an image board for social outcasts leads you to esteemed philosophical treatises on the nature and execution of warfare

Thanks, /m/

>>15500877
So we're all on the same page that Schönkopf was the best/most enjoyable FPA character, right?

>>15502913
If this thread 404's, thanks for the thread guys, I'm surprised at how little shitposting we had in a week.

>>15502917
Sure but the Rosenritter were responsible for starting and ruining a lot of effort towards peace.

>>15503651
Well, I ain't letting it 404 this easily.

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>>15461134
To be fair, the books also suck, so whatever
don't deny it

>>15507644
Yes but the manga is worse. This compounded with a less talented staff, a lower budget, and sticking to a rigid syndicated production schedule spells doom for this anime.

>>15507644
I won't, I tried the first book and lost interest after it went from the history of the empire to the actual story. After watching the OVA the characters seem dry as hell, and the generic looking covers didn't help either. And like >>15507721 says, things aren't looking up for the new adaptation.

>>15507644
Still gonna read and buy them so I have reference material for when I read it in Japanese.

This is one of those cases where the books are not as good though. I feel like they should be way longer, feels like reading a comic book without pictures.

死なないで

>>15507644
I almost cry at the end of book 2

Am enjoying them so much. The longass delivery to my hidden country was so worth it

Lots on background on Yang too, more fleshed out monologues. In my case I came to this series for the space battles with classical music and patrician feels, stayed for the self-insert of the writer

>>15508427
I'm buyfagging them because it's fun to get back into reading novels again, I have a genuine attachment to the universe and characters, and I'm happy to support this series making it's first official steps over into the Western market.

>>15461134
This is simply not true, not once was this said anywhere.

Julien was way too OP.
After Yang died, I knew anyone was fair game after that. Except Julien, I was never worried for him any one point in the entire show.

>>15511931
Yeah, after his first dogfight in the spartinian I knew he had plot armor.

>>15495316
I didn't notice at first, but it seems that art of Reinhard they have up there is original. I guess progress is being made on the project.

What are the chances of this becoming a normie hit like Shingeki no Kyojin or One-Punch Man?

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New anime project announcement in September
http://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1494386272

>>15496758
He's still alive by the third series (after the first Ragnarok operation). Lobos's name is thrown out and then immediately rejected as a potential leader for Merkatz' hold outs.

>>15512209
>dat pic
Looks like generic modern anime style

>>15512209
Looks boring

>>15512204
None. The only chance is if it looks okay it might get a fujoshi fanbase. It will also bring in hipsters who want to say that have seen LoGH but don't want to put in the time to watch the original.

I just finished LOGH and holy shit it was so good.

I still feel really bad about Kircheis
dying. Made me cry like a bitch.

The show left me with few questions tho.
>Why people are using beam weapons when they don't penetrate the troops' armor?
>Why they DO sometimes penetrate the armor?
>Why axes?
>Why Merkatz supported iserlohn fortress until the end instead of trying to support his kaiser?

>>15512676
>Why people are using beam weapons when they don't penetrate the troops' armor?
Why they DO sometimes penetrate the armor?
Because there are small chinks in the armor for joint movement and if you manage to hit that area, usually takes more than one shot to hit the joint to break it, you will kill them. It's also better to fire and try to hold them back or run rather than wait for death.

>Why axes?
They looked cool. Also they were halberds usually which are extremely effective weapons for fighting due to range, chopping to break armor, and leverage to increase power of swings.

>Why Merkatz supported iserlohn fortress until the end instead of trying to support his kaiser?
He wasn't his Kaiser. Merkatz supported the Goldenbaum empire and the previous Kaiser was the man he served his life under. He didn't join Reinhard because he not only didn't believe in him as his leader, he also had to fight against him and lost countless men and comrades fighting during the civil war. Merkatz knew that he could likely join Reinhard and never believed in the civil war, but his honor as a soldier wouldn't let him surrender to the man that overthrew the empire he served his whole life. Merkatz openly admitted it was pigheaded and stupid, but he also said as an old man he had a right to act pigheaded and stupid.

>>15512676
>not Oberstein

They use beams when the are no sephr particles around that would blow everything up. When Schonkopf is boarding the release it so firearms can't be used. As >>15512732 said, it's pretty much the same reason by archers were still used against armored infantry. You can't protect all possible entry and still be an effective soldier. As for axes, I think Tanaka just really liked axes and tried as hard as he could to justify using them.

Pretty sure Merkatz explains a few times why he didn't fight for Reinhard.

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>>15473560
It's true. That scene was kinda wierd, yet kinda great.

>>15513974
>>15512732
by his kaiser I meant the Goldenbaum's heir, that was still alive.

>>15515939
The young Kaiser wasn't someone he respected nor was he the man he served his whole life, he was a child and a spoiled one at that. He left Iserlohn at first because he wanted to stay loyal to the empire he was devoted to, but ultimately he had come to believe in and respect Yang Wenli far more than the remains of the empire he followed.

Also remember he was originally against joining the civil war and was able to declare retirement until the life of his daughter was threatened. Merkatz cared for the empire more as a pride and honor point, he already had stopped agreeing with them.

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>>15460508
>LotGH just makes me want a benevolent dictator in charge

The entire last half of the show was about how terrible a leader Reinhard was.

>>15516188
The second half showed that Reinhard's insistence on a military campaign when it was unnecessary was his biggest weakness, allowing his pride to affect decisions. As an autocrat he did amazingly and his attention to detail for legislature and running his empire was unbelievable.

Oberstein would not have stayed with Reinhard had he turned out a shitty emperor, he just was pointing out that the empire was not any one man's property.

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>>15493775
>>15493792
SEMICIRCLES was one of the most brilliant scenes in the show, and nobody gives it credit.

It's making fun of the Great Man theory of history. Yang's battle strategies were all common sense bullshit, helped behind the scenes by people like Edwin Fischer,
who allowed the Yang Fleet to reorganize itself and react to orders much faster than ordinary fleets could. Fischer was Yang's Subodai,
and he knew that a lot of the credit he got for being a brilliant admiral was all because of him.

It's the reason Yang got despondent and was on the verge of surrendering when he died near the end of season 3.

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>>15516197
>Mismanagement of Neue-Land leads to an uprising and constant riots.
>Desperate to restart the war.
>Refused to create a system for peaceful transitions of power.

>>15516206
>Mismanagement of Neue-Land leads to an uprising and constant riots.
Wasn't so much as mismanagement but more like natural civil unrest from people who had been conquered, terrorists, and grass roots resistance movements made it difficult to maintain planets from across the galaxy.

>Desperate to restart the war.
This was his biggest fault, he genuinely was becoming listless and hungered for the excitement of battle. He also couldn't stand the fact that he never had a true tactical victory against Yang Wenli.

>Refused to create a system for peaceful transitions of power.
He was open to the idea but he was unsure as even some of his most trusted advisors made idiotic decisions or proved untrustworthy. He was willing to listen to both Yang and Julian but he wanted them to prove themselves before he considered their proposals. He ultimately knew Hilda would be able to come up with a sensible system if she worked closely with the student of Yang Wenli, this is also why he said he didn't want the crown to be passed to his son but instead for his son to prove his worth if he wanted to rule.

>>15516199
Plz point to this scene exactly, I'd like to rewatch the episode

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What is the most Aesthetic Imperial ship, and why is it pic related?

>>15493835
>>15493916

While broadside fighting was used in the age of sail because that was simply the best way to get the most cannons pointed at something with the technology available at the time, by the 19th century, ships were designed to fight broadside for a very different reason.

Ships were equipped with guns that could lob shells several miles, and when it came down to it, much of the fighting did tend to take place at long distances. At these ranges, shells would be fired in a very noticeable ballistic arc. It turns out that it is actually not very hard to aim at a ship in terms of left/right traverse, but it is much harder to get the range set exactly for the shells to fall down onto the enemy ship, rather than into the ocean beyond or before it. So, perhaps counter-intuitively, past a certain distance, a ship with it's broad side to an enemy actually presents a much smaller effective target than one driving straight in towards or away.

It's true that the designs of the age could point more of their guns at the enemy in broadside, but if it were advantageous to point straight at them, it's not like they couldn't have designed ships with all the main turrets ahead of the superstructure. Since that was not a desirable property, ships weren't made that way.
"Crossing the 'T'" was an effective maneuver because not only could you point more of your guns at the enemy than they could point at you, they would be easier to hit than you.

In space, all your guns or lasers will travel in a straight line, so it make sense to point your smallest facing towards the enemy like in LOGH, and to design the ships to have their main armament fire along that axis.

>>15516199
Im still interesting why it worked and why if it was so good was never repeated.

Like physically, what makes being in a semi circle more effective

>>15516199
So besides him, Yang and possibly Bucock, did the FPA have any competent admirals? Its been a while since I've seen the show but from what I remember All of Reinhard's admirals were absolutely superior to the FPA leadership barring the three above

Am I mistaken?

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>>15518116

False. It's the Destroyer

>>15518404
Dusty

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>>15518404
Sithole was alright, but we don't see him lead a fleet outside of the Gaiden series and Golden Wings for 6th Iserlohn, where he very nearly wins. As mentioned before Dusty was comparable to Yang, but was more of a tactical commander to Yang's greater strategy. Ulanhu was also a pretty good admiral but again, we don't see much of him until his death in the prelude battles to Amlitzer.
One of Yang's classmates, Willem Holland, was the FPA's rising star before he died during 3rd Tiamat. The rest of the FPA's admirals ranged from decent to bad during the contemporary period, with Ashby and the UC 730 mafia being the high point of FPA admiralship during the war.

>>15517722
Around 10 minutes into episode 15 (The Battle of Amritsar Starzone).

>>15517722
>>15518900
The Fischer thing was S03E27 (Episode 81)

>>15518116
>>15518421
>not kreuzer

>>15518510
I don't really think we see enough of the FPA leadership in the first season to judge their individual competence really, most get about a minute of screen time before being killed in conditions far from "normal" by characters with plot armour

>>15518378
It allows you to cluster and focus fire. When you can start partially encircling the enemy you then start being able to strike with minimal consequences and you can directly attack weak points.

The tactics in LoGH are simplistic but on a macro scale that's about how far tactics can go. Pincer maneuvers are so fucking stupidly effective because it's just that difficult to fight two threats at once because your back side is always exposed to someone.