How big are colonies supposed to be?

>>15444675
I know there's figures for the actual High Frontier designs, not sure about specifically UC gundam ones

>>15444675
The average size of an “open-type” cylindrical colony is 6.4 km in diameter and 36.0 km in length.

>>15444687
I would've thought they'd just go with O'Neill's dimensions of 8 km x 32 km..

>>15444675
20 miles long.

>>15445898
For you.

>>15444675
Read The High Frontier.

>>15444675
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell

>>15444675
About yea big.

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but axis is heavier than colony

How many colonies are in a Side usually?

And how do they move them if they have to?

>>15447903
It's never stated how many exactly are at each side, but you can see a least a about six or so at a time way in the background in some scenes.
They have thrusters along the hull and at the rear end to push them along if they ever need to move.

>>15444687
>>15444675

Space colonies are retarded from any practical standpoint. Fire one rocket and you've fucked up your colony. It's a real battle for survival.

Fire a rocket on a city and it's contained to the damage in the immediate area.

These things are sitting ducks just waiting to get blasted out of the sky.

>>15449983
Are you fucking retarded?
they can just cover the hole up and fix it from the inside

Would an entire Side of Colonies falling on the Earth make it uninhabitable?

>>15449983

>Fire a rocket on a city and it's contained to the damage in the immediate area.

As the OYW proved, you're not really better off no matter where you're at.

>>15444675
about the size of 3 football fields.

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>>15451443
After War X says yes

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>>15451443
>>15452691
It's only a minor (pretty fucking huge) inconvenience. After a few years the sun comes out and people are living. In Asia there's even a few functioning governments.

>>15449983
actually Space Colonies in Gundam are way more fragile than the real thing would be, I've seen people do the math and apparently a properly made O'Neill Cylinder would actually be really damn sturdy, like you could toss nukes at it and barely scratch it(although admittedly part of that is because nuclear weapons lose a lot of their force when detonated in vacuum), also their designs mean they'd be easy to defend as well, since their size means you could mount some serious firepower on a cylinder without compromising it's standard functions

>>15452700
Surprised how Europe wasn't been completely disintegrated

>>15452705
To add to that, they're so massive that they're expected to constantly be punctured and not lose pressure. A the hole a rocket could blow in the hull of an O'Neill Cylinder is so comparatively small that it's basically nothing.

>>15452700

Wow quite a lot of land mass is missing there.

>>15448073
I swear to god I saw them state that they use nuclear pulse propulsion somewhere.

>>15453973

That's mentioned in Turn A's lore somewhere isn't it?

>>15444675
4 times larger than Babylon 5 was.

>>15452700
If there was massives holes like that, and assuming the earths temp didnt get warmer, and the amount of ocean water remains the same, wouldnt new land be exposed in other places as the water goes to fill in the craetors, totally changing the outline of the map?

>>15454541

That is a valid point.

>>15453980
No, it's stated in CCA that Axis has nuclear pulse thrusters, so the assumption is that colonies, which are also large, also require nuclear pulse thrusters. Also, some databooks mention that the colony used in operation british had nuclear pulse thrusters attached to it so Zeon could move it out of orbit and on an earthbound course.

>>15454541
They're not really holes, just craters. Those craters aren't really deep enough to cause the water level to dip low enough to expose that much more land. Also, only craters that are open to the ocean would fill up, any craters in the middle of continents wouldn't do anything to lower sea levels unless they somehow filled up with water.

I'm not saying that the craters would be small, but it's just that there's so much water that it doesn't matter too much.
Also, water levels are projected to rise due to the current era of global warming, so those two changes could end up just counteracting each other.

>>15452700

What was the ecological impact of that?

>>15456589
Horth America is a wasteland. Honestly though once they left the continent it seemed like the staff dropped the ball on in it. In Asia it seemed to make zero difference. Then you hear while they're in space about several years without proper sunlight while Garrod was a kid. It should have been a lot worse then it was presented.

>>15444675

Is everyone on one of those things issued with a normalsuit?

>>15457491
No, they have to make do with hardened public shelters equipped with independent life support.

>>15444675
To be usable, pretty small.

Anyone else feel like they'd get vertigo if they looked up and saw another city?

>>15444675

How long does it take to throw together one of those anyway?

>>15459743
with the amount of materials and fuel used for transportation, to the resources required to create a stable artificial ecosystem capable of sustaining a sizeable population PER colony...and then there's the fact that something like 90% of the human species lives in space...

fuck, you're looking at Septillions of $ in the modern era. maybe even Octillions.

that's $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000+

they probably had to reinvent their economy to handle it all.

>>15452700
>Mexico relativity intact
Accurate

>>15460376
Most of the materials are found in space, so while it would still cost a fuckton, being able to use asteroids would have saved on fuel costs.

>>15459743
I read this wrong before posting
>>15460376
this.

I would imagine each colony takes between a few years to a decade, depending on size.

>>15452700
>murrica is fucked
>Japan is fine
Yeah, I'll never watch a show like this
I'm cool with criticising America for valid reasons like Kojima does but this is just arbitrary Asian butthurt manifesting in a children's cartoon there's no way their little islands would be intact and we wouldn't
Especially when the whole point of Gundam is "we lost in 45. Get over it"

>>15460492
the US is a bigger target.
physically and politically.

>>15460492
Makes way more sense, the only countries that would attack japan are the other butthurt asians

>>15460492
Literally just a butthurt Americlap who gets frustrated every time he's reminded his country is an evil empire.

>>15459743
Not that long actually. There's an estimate of time in the High Frontier. Basically once you get the infrastructure in space built to actually build a space colony, and get one done, it's self-sustaining for the most part.

>>15460492
I usually take it as a complement when we're the nation most fucked. You don't see many colonizes wasted on Africa do you? We're the most targeted because we matter more.

>>15451443
>>15452691
>>15452700
Didn't only 1-5% of the Earth population survive the attack and it took 15 years for the old Earth Government to consolidate enough power to throw its weight around? That's not even taking into account the civilian populations who had to make due in a Mad Max/Fist of the North Star (with mecha) setting. It didn't destroy the Earth or make it uninhabitable, but it certainly set them back.

>>15460492
A few flaws with your complaint. The mas colony drop wasn't like a mass nuclear strike where you intentionally target military and civilian population centers. The Space Revolution Army for the most part just took all the colonies they could and flung them at the Earth with the intention of causing damage by quantity of colonies, not the quality of the target location. Also it's clearly a move of desperation because the Federation deployed the Gundam that already destroyed a colony with the satellite cannon and a SRA mobile suit got blinded sided and destroyed by a colony as it was dropping, which further decreased the odds that they trajectories planned because you'd want to send out warnings to your own troops so they don't get killed.

So it boils down the land mass, which America has a whole lot more of to hit. Also you're neglecting to take into consideration the tsuanmis formed because of the colony drops. (Zeon's colony drop that was redirected onto Sydney caused a big enough shock wave to result in a tsunami that destroyed a vast majority of the Federation's navel Armada around the world along with coastal cities.)

In After War, you can see how the Amazon and Nile river expanded because of the influx of new water to now be visible from space. So it's more than likely unless you were on extremely high ground in Japan, you were going to get killed by the Tsunamis coming from every direction.

>>15452720
I'm surprised how italy managed to go through it in one piece

>>15460910
>Didn't only 1-5% of the Earth population survive the attack
Narrator says 99% killed iirc.

so how do birds work in colonies, like if they fly too high they'll lose the centrifugal force keeping them attracted to one end and just enter zero g, do you think a petite ms has to float around the axis of rotation knocking flailing pigeons back into rotation?

>>15461077
I wouldn't think they need "wild" birds inside a colony

>>15461085
they would support the local ecology

>>15461077
"Side 3 is the home of humanity's best pigeon breeders, and the site of their fiercest rivalries. But when these feathered champions soar too high, their trainers call in a team of MS pilot specialists. These are their stories."

>>15461094
>UWA, but that's a rare ornamental jacobin pigeon, there's no way we can get it down without damaging it's feathers before the show
>NO, BEHOLD THE POWER OF THE ROOST GUNDAM

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>>15461094
I'd watch the hell out of that show
>pic related, its me

>>15461114
>There's no fuel left in your reactor! We can't save all the pigeons!
>I'm sick of you adults and your LIES!

>>15461085
People bring birds as pets, they escape, boom. Wild birds. It's why South England is getting covered in parakeets and why I have to keep shooting them.

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>>15461144
>england
>shooting
nandato?

>>15461152
Getting guns is easy here, it just takes time and not being an idiot. Tons of people are involved in pest control.

>>15450029
>thinking it's that easy

>>15461152
The noguns meme is just a meme.

>>15461287
but your cops don't even have guns

>>15461334
Most don't, some do and police stations have always had a cache of revolvers and such for emergencies. That's been updated over the last 20 years.

Anyway, I'm picking up one of these once they start being imported.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSHwxIkCbjA

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>>15461356
>yfw you thought the whole world was as terrible as where you live but actually the rest of the world is fine and you're the only one in Hell

>>15461557
>the rest of the materials are already up there. The only think you have to actually transport from the Earth are some seeds and the actual people.
Actually, we don't have any infrastructure in space. Material production and fabrication can only be done on earth. In space, there's rock and metal ores and whatnot, but those raw materials need to be refined into workable substances, then manufactured into components, then assembled. At the very least, we're talking about having to build an entire construction industry in space to build a large space colony. And unless we're relying on a largely robotic or automated workforce, we'd have to build smaller space stations and colonies to support the manpower needed to run the industry.

>>15461557
God's chosen super-autist.

>working at Wal-mart on shitty polluted Earth
>moved to a colony in space
>end up working at a Walmart in Side 6

>>15460492

Isn't the US kind of bad off or problematic in Gundam in general?

I think the nation was conquered in the Original Gundam and I do believe their depicted as being the source of a lot of problems in SEED and G Reco.

I may also be wrong, but in G Gundam I think after the Gundam Fight tournament ended and the colonies launched their forces for war, Neo America was the first seen doing so on the media.

>>15454515
B5 is actually pretty tiny as far as space stations go. Then again, it had to be after they wasted most of the budget on the lunacy that was B4 (nearly 10 km long, counter-rotating on one axis, and FULLY MOBILE)

>>15452700
Heh, based Uruguay still alive.


Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Colombia, the worst parts of brazil and Peru are FUCKED.

>>15453973
>>15454994

Also in Zeta, when the Titans dropped a colony on the Moon, they use nuclear pulse to move it too.

>>15460376

>and then there's the fact that something like 90% of the human species lives in space...

Now I've always had questions about that.

How did they even get people to sign on to the idea of living on those and how many of them are in orbit exactly?

>>15460492
Why the fuck are you so butthurt that glorious nippon hates burgerland? You guys are cunts. Everyone hates America because you're so fat and full of yourselves, as your post shows. If America is so great why don't you go watch an American cartoon and leave the superior races to watch their superior cartoons?

>>15465319
>How did they even get people to sign on to the idea of living on those and how many of them are in orbit exactly?

They didn't. It's time to realize that for all its good intentions, the Federation is *not* your typical democratic nation state, or even a coalition of said states but a massive bureaucracy run by technocrats. In the name of "saving the species" the Feds got wide ranging power that's have made the Soviets blush with envy.

Suddenly all those "crazed" Zeon speeches of fighting for freedom make a lot more sense.

>>15466490

So that business about the Federation sending undesirables to colonies is true then?

>>15466490
Suddenly all those "crazed" Zeon speeches for spacenoid freedom while murdering fellow spacenoids make no sense.

FIFY

>>15469569
Ignore this guy it's the usual Zeon appologist of the week.

>WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH The Feds are bad this totally absolves Zeon for killing more people than Hitler, Stalin and Mao including the spacenoids who they claim to be saving via the power of freedom gas

The Federations a corrupt mess while Zeon is just as corrupt. the difference is that the Federations evil is mostly from inaction while Zeon can't buy a can of soda without commiting an atrocity.

>>15469600
He may be apologizing for Zeon war crimes, but his statements about the Federation are accurate.

>>15469855
As i said the Fed's may be bad but holy fuck compaired to Zeon they look like saints.

>>15469863
Okay, but by your own admission the Federation is fucked up, and you came into this saying to ignore the guy claiming the Federation was fucked up because he ALSO said Zeon made sense.

Two different statements, and you're repeatedly conflating them. He's wrong about Zeon, but he's right about the Federation.

The Earth Federation is made up of self-loathing bleeding-hearts who blame the Zabis for every ill in the Earth sphere, and elitists suffering from power-envy, bitter that the its colonies' only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission. The truth is that Zeon has behaved with enormous restraint since the death of Garma Zabi. Remember, remember.

Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of Garma phoning his girlfriend to say, "I love you," before he was burned alive. Remember him charging to his death from inside of a burning Gaw. Remember the hundreds of crewmen incinerated. Remember, remember - and realise that Zeon has never retaliated for Garma in anything like the way it could have.

So a few Side 6 tourists got locked without a trial? Pass the Kleenex. So some Southeast Asian wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired their semi-automatics into a jungle full of Zeon mobile suits? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti.

I love Zeon, yet Zeon is hated. Zeon is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic. Or do you really think the Principality is the root of all evil?

Tell it to my brother Garma Zabi, who was incinerated by the Federation warship White Base. Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died in that battle, or were ripped apart in the explosion. And tell it to the millions of young widows whose husbands gave their lives for the Principality. To our shame, Zeon Deikun gets a worse press than General Revil.

Remember, remember, Garma Zabi. One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against Zeon.

No, do more than remember. Never forget!

>>15469864
Actually, the point was that the spacenoid political movement for freedom and self jurisdiction was based on real grievances. Unsurprisingly, the movement quickly took a turn to nationalism. The idea of a "nation" itself was anathema to the Federation and meanwhile a good vessel for the fledgling spacenoid identity.

The fact that this was co-opted, and turned into a dictatorship that used morally ambiguous as well as downright reprehensible means unfortunately is nothing new. Tyrants often come to power under the auspice of the savior, noble ideals are often perverted into mandates of manifest destiny, revolution into a new orthodoxy, all that changes is the justification for the exploitation and brutalization of the victims.

Tomino for all his bumbling when it comes to character drama has a keen eye for political allegories.

Curious, but would building smaller colonies, but more of them make colony drops less destructive?

Also, do colonies get smaller by the time of F91? The wreckage of the one they're fighting in towards the end of the film looks kind of small.

>>15470936
Cry me a river you filthy zeek. You literal piece of space garbage.

>>15469569
Unicorns novels cover this in the first chapter. tl;dr Federal took all the shit skins and sent them into space so they didn't have to deal with them any more. It wasn't an option to say no, they just did it. This is why the first terrorist attack happened which lost the tablet in the first place. Shit skins hating the federation allah snackbared the colony.

>>15472709

I was talking about Hathaway's Flash.

They mention in that.

I was completely unaware they had started doing it as early as Unicorn.

But on the subject of that, WHY are they sending disgruntled people into space where they could be recruited to anti-Federation factions easier?

Also, is it possible some people might have better living conditions in a Colony than on Earth proper?

>>15472801
Anti-federation factions didn't exist at that point. It started in UC0001.

They would have had better living conditions but they didn't want that. They wanted their homelands. This was about the Elite grabbing the Earth for themselves while everyone else was sent to space

>>15472840

>This was about the Elite grabbing the Earth for themselves while everyone else was sent to space

Well, that plan sure backfired.

>>15452691

Now did they at least have the decency to evacuate those before they started dropping them?

>>15472840

>Elite grabbing the Earth for themselves while everyone else was sent to space

So they're part of the reason things turned out like they did?

>>15472840

>UC0001

So about three decades from the present day?

>>15476911
>So about three decades from the present day?

More like half a century. The UC calendar starts around 2080 AD.

>>15476918

My mistake then. I thought it started in 2045.

Can you use a colony as a shipyard?

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>>15478981
I don't see why not. In the first episode of Zeta, they take a picture of a ship under construction inside the colony that is later said to have been the Dogosse Gier. The silhouette is sort of off, though.

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>>15478981
You're actually better off building stuff in space to begin with once you have a sufficient orbital industrial base.

Did they ever talked on how people on the colonies, especially the ones outside of earth's eletric shield thingy that doesn't let we catch cancer like its a normal cold manage to survive?

I know people like musk are pushing for genetic mods and shit, but i never saw any of that in a gundam series.

>>15478991

It's probably just one of the MS hangar and relative flight deck. The ship is so big that it was probably built in separate modules and then assembled later. This or the design of the ship wasn't finalized yet.

>>15480600

I assumed the Colonies were built with shielded materials.

>>15480600
Colony walls are supposed to be thick enough and built with special materials to block cosmic radiation.

Including the giant windows, which only let light in.

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>>15452700
>DC is gone
>L.A. and Vegas are fucked
>New York state still wholly intact

The eternal Wall Street lives on!

>>15460414
That is just raw material. Raw material does not fill stomachs.

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>>15480600
Again, read this book.

>>15444675
big enough to be a disaster when dropped
small enough to be dropped en masse

>>15466490
>In the name of "saving the species" the Feds got wide ranging power that's have made the Soviets blush with envy.

Have you forgotten that Earth's environment in UC is kind of fucked up? It's only something mentioned in multiple UC series like ZZ, CCA and even all the way up to Victory. Origin even has it that whole continents are being rendered uninhabitable due to desertification. The Federation moving all the poor people into space is actually a GOOD THING, because otherwise these people would all starve to death once desertification and drought hit their food crops. It's also the most humane solution, since all the other options are even worse, like the Feddie Elites only moving themselves to space and letting all the unwashed masses starve to death on Earth. Or even worse, going full Gihren and culling all the 'weak' members of the population to reduce it to a manageable level. Instead, the Feddies spend trillions of Feddiebucks to build up nice, comfortable space colonies for those poor people and the economy and infrastructure to support them.

And how do Spacenoids show their gratitude? By trying to genocide everyone on Earth at least once a decade, all the while whining about how the Evil Feddies forced them off to space. Those Feddies moved you to space so you and your families won't starve to death, you ungrateful shits.

>>15485260
So the ends justify the means? Yes, the Federation had a good reason for existing, however did it give the elites running it a permanent lease to micromanage the colonies later on with an iron fist?

I'm not trying to defend Zeon here, just pointing out that for all the good the Federation did, it also has a dark side.

>>15486279
And? Zeon is literally the only reason the Federation has so much political power. Surprisingly plunging a political entity into one existential war after another doesn't get it to give more civil freedoms to people, it really tends to get it in the institutional habit of removing them.

>>15465319
>How did they even get people to sign on to the idea of living on those and how many of them are in orbit exactly?

They didn't. One-World-Government ran some formal program that ended up declaring 90% of the population fit for SPEEESSS and then they shipped them off.

The construction companies that had aquired decent stock in politicians were laughing all the way to the bank as the orders for more space colonies kept rolling in.

>>15486279
>So the ends justify the means?

Not saying that they weren't assholes, but they never completely stopped trying to return Earth to a more inhabitable state, even after 90% of the population was already locked away in floating tubes.

>>15485260

To be honest, is the Federation even fit to rule the colonies scattered about the system?

Yes they built the colonies, but they've been poor stewards of them.

They've proven themselves bungling and criminally incompetent to the point it seems like they enjoy endangering nad playing with their citizens's lives.


>>15486304

I think the Federation was kind of a pain before Zeon.

I believe they mention that in relation to Crux Dongatie.

While Crux was a mad man who very nearly destroyed the planet, I believe it's said that the Federation may have shackled him to a woman young enough to be his daughter so they could get a discount on fuel.

Under those circumstances, it makes the Federation feel very unsympathetic.

It's also worth mentioning the Federation offered the Jovians very little aid when they needed it and instead reaped the benefits.