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McGillis Fareed vs Graham Aker

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Could Chocolate Man in the Bael defeat Graham "Freedom Fighter" Aker in his Over-Flag Custom? What do you think /m/? And the duel can take places either in space or in the atmosphere or even on land.
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>>15424296
Mackey could take them.
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>>15424296
My money's on Bael but either way I would be happy because I love them both.
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>>15424296

He'd forget where the cockpit is, so Graham would win by default.
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>>15424296
Probably Bael but what I want to see are the delicious doujins that come from it.
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Overflag vs schwalbe graze
Gn flag vs grimgerde
Custom a head vs graze ritter
Susanoo vs bael

Who will win per match?
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>>15424296
Graham acker for the sole purpose that hes one of the greatest pilots in 00 and all of gundam
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>>15424296
>McGillis
>Winning
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>>15424296
Definitely Graham, he always pushes himself and his MS beyond the limit. Graham tends to pull the unexpected especially with the Flag with it's transformation capabilities.
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muh invincible nano-laminate armor
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>>15424296
>pedo vs pedo-battle
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>>15426562

> Graham
> pedo

What?
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>>15426576
How new are you?
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McGillis was pretty much a retard while Graham was able to fight some of the most OP Gundams with no AV crutch or anything.
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>>15424296
Think the Graze Ritter is a better matchup for the Over Flag.
The shitty Ahead doesn't exist.
Grimgerde vs Masurao
Bael vs Susanowo
God versus man; day versus night; Mr Bushido versus Chocolate man.
The fact that Mr Bushido got Trans-Am may be the deciding factor.
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Aren't all the IBO MS made of some near indestructible bullshitium?
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>>15426599
Don't forget that the Susanowo got a not-weak-beam Tri punisher.
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>>15426427
lol

>>15426596
>Graham
>pedo
Gundam sexual ! > pedophile

>>15426599
The Over-Flag custom can keep up with GN tech 3rd generation Gundam units in 00. This includes faster then supersonic combat, a plasma knife, and railgun/linear rifle for ranged combat than can tank 30mm to 60mm railgun fire like water bouncing off the hood of a car. On top of that the Flag can perpetually levitate or use its speed to zip around the entire time.

IBO's tech is pretty low end compared to season 1's 00 by a huge margin..

>Graze Ritter is a better match up
No, because its literally out-matched even worse then the Bael is.
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>>15426599
>Ahead
Better then 99% of the suits in IBO both design and performance wise.
>Grimgerde vs Masurao
Hilarious curbstomp for the Masurao.
>Bael vs Susanowo
You remember the Exia vs Patrick's Enact in the very first episode? Its like that scene all over again.
>Trans-AM may be the deciding factor
Its not, you are just delusional, anon. Let me guess, you think IBO universe's neo-laminate armor is proof against all beam and energy weapons in fiction too right?
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Graham wins. Even with nano laminate bullshit Graham could still knock one of Bael's sword and cut him with it like he did with Throne Ein.
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>>15424296

Graham.
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>>15426624
>>15426627
I love both of them but clearly most of IBO stuff is clearly underpowered compared to the rest of gundamverse.
I'm just basing the matchup on their upgrade order and both of them have the same dual wield swords loadout with the exception of the Flag.
Plus, you gotta consider the pilot, Mr Bushido as well who would only fight fairly on equal terms.
He even left a stranded Setsuna without a fight when the 00 Raiser malfunctioned once.
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>>15426627
>Bael vs Susanowo
>You remember the Exia vs Patrick's Enact in the very first episode? Its like that scene all over again.
So Bael ripping Susanowo apart with ease.
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>>15424296
I want Graham to win because I want to fuck him
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>>15426848
Yes, except Graham's Custom Ahead/Masuro/Susanwo/Sol-Brave Commander would do that to anything in IBO. The defense Rods on the Over-Flag Custom can tank GN beam weapons even at close range as we saw demonstrated in his first fight with Neil in season 1. And then he also has two plasma sabers which will carve through the Bael like a hot knife through butter.

So McGillis is getting ass-reamed.

>>15426812
That was Graham in his Ahead early in season 2 against Setsuna in the 00 who was abusing the TRANS-AM function which couldn't properly square its output and blew out its condensors iirc after using it. If it was ANYONE but Setsuna, he would've killed them; Lyle, Tieria, Hal/Al, Soma, etc...
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>>15427242
It would be like this. Except half a second after they lock blades, the plasma saber on the Over-Flag would cut clean through the Bael's swords and then hack apart the chest and torso ending the fight.
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Apolly kicks both their asses.
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>>15424296
>Over-Flag Custom
Do you mean his regular Overflag or his GN Flag?
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>>15427367
Technically the Over-Flags are specifically customized Flag's personally tuned up, enhanced, and with increased performance thanks to Professor Elfman and Billy.
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>>15427248
The plasma would never get through the nanolaminate
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Graham because he was the best pilot on 00
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>>15427381
Bog standard napalm did, and the heat on a plasma blade concentrated around a smaller area certainly would exceed those temperatures and energy levels. So yes it would.
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Really though, conventional 00 tech vs IBO's nano-laminate armor. Linear rounds of various diameters, Sonic blades that form plasma blades, E-Carbon armor.
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>>15427381
>The plasma would never get through the nanolaminate.
Are you trolling or do you legitimately believe this, anon?
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>>15426627
>>15427248
What the fuck happened to studio 3. I mean the animation here isn't anything too special but at least the movements are smooth and everything looks consistent frame to frame.
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>>15427403
Mizushima is the main reason why. Lot of stuff about how he would pamper the animators and production staff at Studio 3. Also amazing how besides G-Reco, 00 anime still looks top notch in both animation, quality, and visual effects even though its been 10 years since it aired and better then every show that came after it as far as televised series go in mecha and especially Gundam.

Now Sunrise has gone FULL TOEI and Studio 3 is their whipping boy for low quality shows.
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>>15424296
McGillis with the AV-System is probably a better pilot than Graham. So everything depends on how big the performance difference between the two machines is, which is hard to say. IBO is low tech compared to 00 but Flags ain't exactly top of the line suits. Stuff in IBO comes off as pretty sturdy, while iirc even the GN Flag II got cut apart like it's made out of butter however, would IBO's armor still be efficient against the blades of 00? Would IBO's weapons be able to damage Flags probably more advanced armor? Kinda hard to tell so the answer is: whoever you like more
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>>15427394
Ali was better than him if I'm not mistaken
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>>15427457
>McGillis with the AV-System is probably a better pilot than Graham.
Not seeing it. The guy was keeping up with vastly superior units with better tech and capabilities, several whom were also expies of Cyber-Newtypes, Newtypes, and genetically enhanced superhumans like the Trinity Siblings and so on.

>Flags aren't exactly top of the line suits
What does it matter? The vanilla Flags can accelerate to supersonic speeds, and despite their fragile and spindly appearance can shrug off railgun fire and their plasma swords can hold their own with E-carbon GN particle enhanced blades and armor.

But my biggest issue here is people believing McGillis is a better pilot then Graham.

>>15427480
There's still a debate whose superior between Ali and Graham. Both of them held their own against Neil in season 1 and were on par with him. Ali had the advantage of being a super good CQC expert while in his custom Enact but also benefited from knowing Setsuna's style of combat. But Graham also used his skill to disarm his opponents of their weapons.

Its a shame we never got to see Bushido vs Eviler-Yazan.
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>>15427394
anyone got a gif of graham raping the throne eins? better than chaos getting shredded by 3 murasames
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>>15427396
You're just another retard who didn't watch the show. The anti-ship napalm are missiles and Biscuit says if they keep getting hit by fucking missiles even the nanolaminate will burn away. We've seen nanolaminate survive atmospheric re-entry and powerful beams. Heat isn't anymore effective on nanolaminate than a giant hatchet wielded by a MS. Problem is nanolaminate reacts with ahab waves to power up and it's so strong that the Gundams with dual reactors can survive direct hits that should be the equivalent of small nukes (dainsleif).
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>>15427488
>The vanilla Flags can accelerate to supersonic speeds

The only reference we have for Flag's acceleration is Billy mentioned that with the Overflag's safety limiter off Graham will experience up to 15G of acceleration. Problem is even modern fighter jets can experience that and more while turning so the effect the writers were going for is diminished.
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>>15427457
>how big the performance difference between the two machines is
Graham doesn't care about that. He even specifically says that in one of the fights. To me, this will be decided solely by how obsessed Graham is with defeating Bael. If he gets all myopically DRIVEN like he was about beating Setsuna, then he'll probably edge out Macky in a close fight. But only if he insanely obsesses over it like he did with Setsuna.
In the immortal words of Kenshiro,
"No one can love or hate with more passion...than a madman."

Macky was a man on a mission, but Graham was positively consumed by the challenge of defeating the Gundams. Macky lost to Gaelio's determination, and Gaelio wasn't nearly as far gone as Graham was.
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>>15427505
You are a moron. Atmospheric re-entry does not fucking compare to the heat produced by a blade of plasma, you fucking cock-sucker. On top of that the beam weaponry's nature, characteristics, and abilities in IBO are never actually defined or explained.

So that doesn't say jackshit. I bet you are one of those faggots who thinks seeing those refineries blowing up after Ride's MS got hit was somehow impressive.
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>>15427505
>anti-ship napalm
Its fucking napalm fired in a warhead. That doesn't change the fact its just a lower form of fire and heat used to burn away those MS nanolaminate armor. The Bael and Kimaris/Vidar were also cutting through Grazes with single hits and blowing them up. This is not technologically impressive in the least when your trying to use an equivocation argument that it has to be something special like "anti-ship napalm" to burn through nanolaminate armor in IBO.

>>15427517
The Flags can do that in their MS mode, they can go even faster in MA mode.
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>>15427525
What's impressive is Hashmal's beam has far better feats than anything the plasma blade did, especially since the plasma blades are shitty wannabe beam sabers in-universe and can't even cut through MS armor.

From the Enact's profile

>It can focus plasma in a sword shape to form a plasma sword though this sword lacks the power to even cut another MS's arm.[4] The Enact's Plasma Sword has an operation time limit of 2.5 minutes.[4] This is shorter than that of the Flags, which can last half a minute longer.[6]

Go fuck yourself retard. It's clear you haven't even watched IBO and you don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to 00.
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>>15427505
>The anti-ship napalm are missiles
So what?
>Biscit says if they keep getting hit by fucking missiles
Of course, because their in a fucking big-ass ship.
>atmospheric re-entry
That's not impressive in terms of heat.
>powerful beams
Bullshit. We see all of ONE time beam weapons used in IBO and like the other anon said, unlike minovsky particles or GN particles, the nature and mechanics of beam weaponry are virtually unknown to us so using this as a claim it would work against other Gundam or even other fictional universes' beam weapons is a retarded no limits fallacy.

>Dainsleif
>like small nukes

This is wankery.

>>15427545
Hashimal's beam blew up a bunch of explosive containers and refineries that are filled with...explosive material. Which it caused in a chain reaction. That's not impressive.
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>>15427545
Your a retard. The 00 movie even shows Setsuna using a Flag to cut a GNX in half with a plasma saber.
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>>15427545
Considering the Exia had to feed power and increase the GN particles into its GN blade to overpower Ali's sonic-bayonet when it was stalemating it earlier, that contradicts what's shown in the actual show so not buying it.
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>>15427525
>refineries
That was an agricultural plant, not a refinery.
And the damage to that was no less extreme than the damage the Shamblo did to Dakar or the Destroy did to Berlin. Not to mention the blast through solid rock when Hashmal first activated. There is no reason to believe that Hashmal's beam is weak, especially considering the reputation the MA have. IBO is a setting where beam weaponry has been rendered ineffective by the advent of superior armor, and subsequently that armor was rendered ineffective by a specialized weapon. Claiming that nanolaminate could only tank beam shots if the beams are really shitty is just you hating on the setting as a whole, you have no in-story evidence that suggests that beams in IBO are any weaker than in any other setting (they WERE the primary weapon of the MA, after all...).
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>>15427556
>reputation
Irrelevant.
>IBO is setting where beam weaponry has been rendered irrelevant
That's in its own universe, not in others. And even Ride's MS was heavily damaged by its weakened blast.

Now let's recap what we have:

>napalm with no special characteristic can burn off nanolaminate with zero issue
>napalm does not remotely generate the amount of heat a blade of plasma does
>beam weapons in IBO are very clearly inferior to those in 00
So not seeing any issues of the Flag's plasma saber or a GN beam weapons having problems with nanolaminate armor.
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>>15427535
>just a lower form of fire and heat used to burn away those MS nanolaminate armor
Putting aside the fact that this didn't actually *happen* (someone was afraid that it might, once, but it was never shown to work), let's have a little science lesson about heat and the vacuum of space:

Heat transfers three ways:
>conduction
>convection
>radiation
In the vacuum of space, the only thing for heat to conduct through is the rest of the ship. There is no convection cooling because there is no air outside the ship. This is why the first dog shot into space died, because dissipating heat in a vacuum is a serious problem.

Secondly, and more importantly, is the fact that the primary destructive power of beam weaponry in Gundam is *kinetic* not thermal. The beams are hot, sure, but that isn't the reason they blow through mobile suits in a single shot. A real Gundam fan would already know this, and wouldn't be trying to directly compare the effectiveness of napalm and beam weapons.

Nevermind the fact that napalm was used in the second episode of Mobile Suit Gundam to destroy the extra Gundam parts that White Base didn't have room for....
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>>15427564
>in its own universe, not in others
So...
You're saying that you haven't watched Turn A and you think that these shows are in separate universes with different laws of physics?
>can burn off nanolaminate with zero issue
Didn't even happen.
>beam weapons in IBO are very learly inferior
Evidence? Literally ANY evidence at all other than nanolaminate armor being beam-resistant. ANYTHING?
I'll wait.
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>>15427552
Didn't Setsuna's Flag have a custom GN sword with a condenser?
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>>15427592
It has both. And he does murder a GNX with the plasma sword.
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>>15427549
>Bullshit. We see all of ONE time beam weapons used in IBO and like the other anon said, unlike minovsky particles or GN particles, the nature and mechanics of beam weaponry are virtually unknown to us so using this as a claim it would work against other Gundam or even other fictional universes' beam weapons is a retarded no limits fallacy.
You retard no one knows how 00 plasma works either other than the fact that it's literally garbage and stated as such.

>So what?
Meaning they're rocket propelled rams you retard. You're bragging about flags hitting mach speeds yet in space a rocket would quickly achieve far higher speeds due to 0 resistance.

>This is wankery.
Kill yourself you stupid fag. Look up rods of god. 8kg of tungsten at mach ~9 delivering the equivalent 11.5 tons of TNT. The dainsleifs are taller than MS sized rods coated in nanolaminate and took mere seconds to from firing to hitting the Gundams. Even if you were to assume the dainsleifs were fired from 300km (lowest height satellites orbit around earth) and took a generous 30s to arrive you're still talking about hundreds of kilos of tungsten arriving at mach 30. A reference object massing at 300kg, coming down at 10km/s would deliver over 3 kiltons worth of TNT (equivalent in kinetic energy). Teach dainsleif is a fucking tactical nuke.

>>15427549
>Hashimal's beam blew up a bunch of explosive containers and refineries that are filled with...explosive material. Which it caused in a chain reaction. That's not impressive.
You mean refineries at a fucking food plant? Are you retarded? And Hashmal tore up the ground all around it when it first awoke which is more than you can say about plasma in 00.
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>>15427587
>You're saying that you haven't watched Turn A and you think that these shows are in separate universes with different laws of physics?
oh, it's one of THOSE threads
everyone go home, nothing intelligent will ever come out of this, when this whole one universe power level bullshit gets brought up you know someone is retarded or trolling or both.
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>>15427592
>>15427601

I'm watching it right now. The kill isn't shown, it just cuts away to an explosion after Setsuna swings at an approaching GN-X.
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>>15427394
That is not how you spell Al/Hal.
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>>15427403
Completely uneducated guess: the entire industry has been shot for the past few years as the experienced animators began to retire/die/get promoted/got out because of shitty wages and the newer ones began to be worked unreasonably hard to make up for it (with subpar training).
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>>15427492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OZfmRbIijA
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>>15427412
Time to switch over to CG desu.

Toei's Majin Bone was an undiscovered gem that had several excellent fights with great choreography and animation. Of course, the visuals weren't that great being low FPS CG but still really good stuff and from Toei of all groups.
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>>15427647
>he's pointing out facts to me
>EVERYONE LOOK AWAY, THIS ISN'T HAPPENING
Sorry for ruining your attempt at just making shit up so you could feel like you won. The shared universe is canon. Beams being kinetic and not thermal is canon. There is no way for you to win this debate because you are factually incorrect, so I understand why you want to ragequit.
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>>15427710
I have several comments
>who are you quoting
>I am not the same guy whom you think you are defeating
>shared universe is a CONCEPT, product of Tomino's idea of "humanity eventually ends the same way" AUs are not literally the same universe unless explicitly stated
>IBO fans sure are fucking mad and obsessive about their own little shit show and how everyone else has to agree with them
>literally unironically going "IT'S OVER I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND"
keks were had
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>>15424296
O dunno about faster, but the Bael seemed to be more maneuverable than the custom Flag.
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>>15427728
>Tomino's idea of "humanity eventually ends the same way" AUs
No, that's the fan theory. The actual animated canon of Turn A was that historical files in Turn A showed scenes from all (at that time) existing Gundam shows. All of this "all shows lead to Turn A but not to each other", "merging timelines", and other bullshit is fanfiction. It's one single universe, and the shows are just separated by long periods of time.
>IBO fans
I'm a Gundam fan, not just an IBO fan. If you want to have Fanbase_A vs Fanbase_B arguments, you've picked the wrong partner.
>THE HIGH GROUND
I have the facts. You have fanfiction. I'm not saying "I beat you!", I'm saying "You're an idiot."
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>>15427492
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>>15427648

It isn't shown, but with the way it's setup the implication is certainly that he cut it in some way that resulted in the unit's destruction using a plasma blade. And it'd be nigh impossible to destroy it with a plasma blade without cutting it. Even if he did, that'd be impressive on it's own.

Also, not really related, but I love Setsuna's trick of disguising smoke/particle missiles as regular GN missiles and getting the enemy to blind themselves.
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>>15427901
Holy shit this scene was so hype.
FUCK YEAH GRAHAM.
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>>15427908

Also, as a bonus, have a webm of the Thrones using a GN mega particle launcher and only really destroying hollow structures but not solid concrete since I'm enjoying watching this argument and it seems vaguely pertinent.
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>>15427908
Setsuna is a scary motherfucker
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>>15424296
Graham has experience fighting suits more advanced than his, so I'd bet my money on him
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>>15424296
So let's assume Nanolaminate paint really IS as stronk as it's presented. (Able to tank beams that can penetrate the earth)

Does it matter? The show wasn't bad because of its technological inconsistencies. It was bad because the writing sucked all throughout.

In any case Graham would put up a fight, but I think the Bael is much more agile. Give Graham any Gundam from any generation of 00 though, and McGillis would be eating dirt faster than you can say slappy.
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>>15427945
Fuck, give him the Bael sans AV System, and he would whoop McGillis.
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McGillis is a cybernewtype. Did everyone forget that the AV spinal implant gives people superhuman spatial awareness? The only ones like that in 00 are true super soldiers and true innovators. McGillis has a huge edge up in the fight
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>>15427958

The AV just gives you better connection with the machine.
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>>15427976
It's mentioned somewhere in S1, by McGillis iirc.
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>>15427602
>You retard
Nope.
>no one knows how 00 plasma works
Talking about beam weapons in 00, we have quite a bit of information on how GN particles work and plasma weapons are used repeatedly in 00, meaning their performance is not locked in one single showing. How are you this retarded?

>rocket propelled rams
Kinetic force doesn't add jackshit to the power or effectiveness of napalm you moron. Doubly so given they were used in the vacuum of space meaning no atmosphere or oxygen to add that extra spice of combustive reaction.

>made up math

No thanks.

>more then you can say about plasma in 00

Are you still this retarded? The very second episode of 00 shows the Virtue casually blowing a naval carrier in half while being bombarded by a couple of Tierens on its deck. Why do you keep trying to false equate the argument about beam weapons with plasma technology in 00, you autist?
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>>15427951
I don't Graham needs AV to beat the Pedo Man.
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>>15427908
Why did you write "GN" Flag in the file name? CB's Setsuna Flag custom doesn't use any GN tech at all, its just an improved Flag/Over-Flag with higher specs to keep up with newer GN based mobile suits post-4th generation.
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>>15428202

It has a GN blade, GN beam guns and GN missiles. It uses GN weaponry, so I named the file GN Flag.
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>>15428187
Sans means without
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>>15428225
>It has a GN beam gun
One, yes.
>GN missiles
No it doesn't.That was chaff and smoke that had GN particles infused with it to make ECM and jamming even more effective.
>GN blade
Yes.
>It uses GN weaponry so it named the file GN Flag.
Which is kind of silly given the only actual canonical "GN Flag" is the one powered with a fake/GN Tau Drive.

Also CB Flag's plasma saber isn't a GN tech based weapon, which Setsuna uses to destroy the final rebel GN-X.
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Wait is someone autistically arguing the last GN-X wasn't destroyed by the plasma saber Setsuna was using even though we see the reflection of light on the GN-X's face a split second before it explodes from the strike?

This is beyond dumb.
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>>15428273
Err, second to last GN-X.
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>>15428263

There's GN particles in the cases of GN missiles; they're still GN weapons. I never said the plasma saber was GN powered by the way, and he does use an actual GN blade to destroy two of the GN-Xs.
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>>15428334
They aren't weapons, those missiles are literally just smoke screen defensive equipment. They are not equipped or oriented for destruction, merely confusing enemies visuals and sensors. Actual GN missiles would impact, penetrate, and cause an enemy suit to sort of "implode" as we saw with Dynames, Kyrios, Harute, Seravee, and Ptolemios when they used it on enemy mobile suits.

And the entire arguments on this oriented because someone was claiming the very clearly NOT GN powered CB Flag didn't use its plasma saber to destroy one of those suits, which it clearly did.
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>>15428352

I'm not the guy saying it didn't destroy that one GN-X with a plasma sword/knife anon. I'm only saying that the Flag Setsuna used clearly did have GN equipment as well as standard Flag equipment. Which includes GN missile cases filled with GN particle infused smoke. Which makes them GN equipment, even if you don't want to classify them as a GN weapon.
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>>15426493
I honestly feel like grimgerde could stand up to bael pretty well.. like it would like but fuck
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>>15428382
Any none dual reactor MS would get manhandled by a Gundam at full power since the ahab waves directly influence the frame or something.
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>>15428404
Good thing we have proof of the Grimgerde getting assraped by the Kimaris.
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>>15428419
>Kimaris had no AV systems
He did say full power.
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>>15428377
I'm saying that's fine but merely correcting that guy in claiming they were GN missiles like the "other" GN missiles which are clearly weapons rather then distraction ordinance.

>>15428404
Nah. E-carbon alone is ridiculous. The defense rods of Flags and Enacts generate plasma fields, just like their sonic weapons which why their able to match GN beam sabers and GN infused weapons.
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>>15428419
Without AV and AV equipped suits humans can't even follow full power Gundams with their eyes. Julietta, Isurugi, and McGillis were all completely stunned by Barbatos Lupus's true power and couldn't keep up. And later Isurugi repeats it when he see Kimaris-Vidar and Bael fight, and Gaelio is supposed to have the power of Barbatos Lupus's full power according to the mechanic girl, so I assume McGillis somehow got on his level using Bael.
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>>15428457
I think its rather that the show is inconsistent as hell which is why McGillis able to jump up that high. Then again he didn't struggle fighting against Tekkadan early in season 1 even then when they had only the Barbatos like Gaelio did when both had just their custom Grazes.
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>>15428422
>>15428457
>>15428419
The main thing that AV should affect is how quickly the pilot can react and execute movements. Shouldn't really affect how hard the mobile suit can swing its weapons, except if the pilot is good enough to incorporate momentum and inertia into his movements to make his strikes more than just how strong the mobile suit's arms.

As I recall, Gaelio was also emotional and unfocused during the fight, which definitely had a part in his defeat.
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>>15428463
Maybe Bael really did contain Agnika's brain
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>>15428471
We saw in the Hashmal fight that the Gundams don't put out their full power by default, it has to be called out. Likewise for the final battle. Barbatos Lupus Rex was smashing Graze's in half with arm swings when it would normally just go for stabs with the claws.
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>>15428471
He only became overly emotional and "unfocused" when McGillis revealed his intentions to use Amira, which is where Gaelio snaps.
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I'm going to say something odd.
I never considered GN weapons normal beams. I considered them physical material being shot out pressure washer style.
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>>15428512
If you think about it, UC beams at least are just high velocity streams of particle matter. The terms "energy" are thrown around, but they're not energy beams, just high energy particles.
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>>15427602
>You mean refineries at at a fucking food plant?
I thought it was specifically stated to be a mining plant, which is where Shino notes the MA and its sub-units were headed toward. So there's a fairness in that anon making a mistake since its mentioned a couple of times the Gjallarhorn forces for the Mars Branch were wiped out there and Isurugi talks about it going there for fuel and resupplying itself since it doesn't have an Ahab reactor like mobile suits do.

But as far as the "agricultural plant" goes. It just razes the whole area, most of which are clearly silos and also largely hollowed out storage facilities. Its not that visually impressive either to be fair, or even that "destructive".
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