G00 broadcast nostalgia thread

Is 00 good?

>>15421336
>Lots of funny jokes and memes were made
Lies.

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>>15421336
>gif of Setsuna tripping balls.

I got you, senpai.

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this it?

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>>15421336

Don't got those but here's the old drinking game.

>>15421629
I remember this. Good times.

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>>15421336
stupid sexy Amuro

>>15421336
Man, I miss the 00 threads, we had fun then

And we actually cheered the ending instead of just being angry and divided like in IBO

>>15421662

Maybe I'm just old but definitely this. When 00 ended, I remember /m/ generally thinking it was the hypest thing ever. Or at least season 1. Season 2 is admittedly fuzzier but it was still fun.

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I thought I had the full image somewhere?

Waking up at 4am est to watch the 00 s2 live stream and /m/ threads

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I was around when 00 was airing but I refused to watch it because I thought it looked ugly

Now all I remember is people singing prince ali

>>15421336
This is one funny pic.

>>15421722
There was a fat kid who wanted to eat more rice.

>>15421551
>>15421580

I was afraid that my requests were too vague but I'm glad the power of ~understanding~ is still strong.

Any poverty princess pics? Or the marriage application meme, I just remembered that one.

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>tfw you forget his real name and fall back on "Vowels"

>>15421376
yes

>>15421669
Even after it ended /a/ had a blast watching the dub when Scifi aired it.

Like people could point out the flaws but still have fun watching together. It's funny how this entire site has changed over the course of 10 years.

>>15421573
Prince Ali, mighty is he!

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>>15421376
That depends. Do you consider something a little worse than G-Reco but better than IBO to be good?

Remember FUCKING RIBBONS at the end of Season 1?

That was great.

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>>15425280
That's too vague

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>>15421551
Better one.

>>15421376
It's overall the most solidly put together Gundam series of the past decade.

>>15425280
>worse than G-Reco
2/10 made me reply

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>>15425218

>>15425218
>>15425355

Take the discount you idiot.

>>15425313

First one is good as a reaction image, this one's good as a story of a troubled young gundam. There is room for all trippin Setsunas.

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>>15425355
>Gundam Double Setsuna
>Already told him a hundred time is Gundam 00

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Graham S1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham S2 (aka Mr.Bushido).

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>>15425514

>>15425514
I still can't get over the fact that Alejandro even made the fucking OS of his uber GM have a stylistic comms window, everything about him was retarded but incredibly glorious

>>15425522
Well, he already made the whole fucking thing golden plated anyway, adding more flair to the GUI is really nothing in comparison.

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>>15421722
Kati/Patrick OTP

I legit cheered when that ending slide popped up

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>>15425355
Double Setsuna

Are there records of the rage over the time Vowels ran in heels?

>>15425597
Rage?
I felt a lot of things over that scene but rage wasn't one of them.

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>>15425522
>>15425528
Oh man that's nothing. Apparently, the reason that the Alvatore's GN particles were gold was that Corner had spent millions developing a GN drive which was Functionally Identical to GN-X's, but produced gold instead of red particles.

Because he thought it suited him.

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>>15425606
there was some discussion of how it was bullshit that he jumped out of a building and ran in high heels

>>15425623
I honestly just thought they were the usual redish ones but given how insane he was I dont doubt it

>>15425623
>7 fucking GN-Drives
Man, the Alvatore was a fucking monster

>>15425624
I vaguely remember that.

Good times.

>>15425624
He's an Innovade, ain't gotta explain shit.

>>15421580
Gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umjtA_57RNA

I miss gg sometimes

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>tfw waiting for Menclave to finish subbing S2

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Old meme is old

>>15426517
I love this one.

>>15426517
Never gets old

>>15426563
>Genocidal
He wasn't trying to eradicate humanity, only reshape it in his image.

>>15424957
>>15421669
It's just the new generation of viewers are just generally angry hateful little shits who only care about what others think instead of how much they personally enjoy things and perceive anything they dislike as personal attack against themselves. You only have to look at the shitposters constantly recycling the 'So can we agree xx is shit' to conclude this.

However there is no doubt Gundam 00 S1 was definitely the best modern Gundam even now, it had a clear direction, brought a new contemporary twist to the series instead of relying on recycling ideas, great animation and overall top production values.

But S2 did shit the bed pretty badly with some really non-sensical stuff, awkward developments and trying to just emulate older ideas again. Second half of S2 was quite frankly a chore to watch but at least still had a great final battle. People did shit on S2 a lot but also recognized it had some pretty great fights and ultimately were able to laugh about the shitty S2.

You just don't see that anymore.

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You guys remember me?

>>15426517
Came into this thread looking for this.

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>>15426520
I love Gadessa.

>>15425635
Consider this the fuck huge MA in the movie only had 6.

>>15426620
Oh i agree that S1 was definately the strong of the two parts by far though it did suffer from character bloat and lack of development. I give both S1 and S2 some leeway here as this was back when they were testing out splitting things into 2 parts.

That being said S2 instead of adressing the faults in S1 just went crazy with pandering to old Gundam tropes and the ending was a clusterfuck of rainbows and understanding at it's worst.

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>>15427376
I still can't even figure out how the hell S2 was done by the same staff as S1 it's just so jarring how much changed for the worse. It was like they went out of their way to hit as many writing sins as they possibly could.

My biggest gripe is same as yours they bent over fucking backwards to refuse pruning any of the cast at all. There was so much potential for maybe a new Meister team consisting of Setsuna/Tieria as the veteran survivors. One of the old supporting cast like Lasse, Chris or Feldt could've taken over, develop Saji as a meaningful character mentored by Setsuna as a pilot.

Lockon's death should have been the end of that plot, sure his twin brother had been hinted throughout but it should've been taken in a different direction. He could've been a non-combatant as he was setup to be and helping from the sidelines politically. It could've been a interesting development about moving on and not seeking revenge.

Instead he is plonked in his dead brothers upgrade with questionable motives and happens to be a crackshot genius and MS pilot on par with his heavily trained and experienced brother? Slapped into a forced Romeo vs Juliet plot and has to fight his family murderer who he wasn't even aware of despite his whole thing being introduced was about letting the past go? That doesn't even touch on how as much as we liked Ali he should've stayed dead. His survival was bullshit on a level equal to Mwu's survival in S-Destiny and added nothing meaningful.

And bringing back Al was terrible, he was barely relevant in the first season and they finished his plot in like 3 episodes. Plus he has spent 3 fucking years tied up in a dark cell, he should've been a cripple from muscle atrophy. They brought over Marie but refused to let her take over Al's role.

I sometimes wonder if 00 S2 was subject to massive executive/sponsor meddling or the staff got drunk off their success and went lazy because it is the very definition of wasted potential.

>>15427516
>Plus he has spent 3 fucking years tied up in a dark cell, he should've been a cripple from muscle atrophy.
Superhuman.

>>15427516
No they removed Soma and replaced her with a inflatable doll with 'Marie' written on it for all the personality she had.

It took until Papa bear dies for her to have any development beyond nodding her head to whatever Al tells her to do and even then that was just a brief return of her old self. Only thing worse than watching Soma be reduced to a two dimensional doormat was the rediculous amount of screentime they gave Marina yet somehow managed to have her contribute less than Saji's dead sister to the plot.

Al himself had sod all persoanlity beyond MARIE!!!!!!!!!! X100 and Hal was even less os just what was it 3 'HAHAHAHA WATCH ME SMASH THINGS' scenes and that's it.

Rumor was alot of nips didn't like S1 breaking the mold and it cause a chain reaction from the Execs down to the actual team which is why they dumped so many gundam cliches into S2 but this is old stuff from when S2 was airing so i've got no idea if it's actually the truth it's just the explaination that most people belived back when 00 was all new and shiny.

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>>15427516
>I sometimes wonder if 00 S2 was subject to massive executive/sponsor meddling
Somewhat correct, actually.
Caused by the main gundam audience in Japan whining about how 00 S1 was "not Gundam".
Among the complaints were things as insignificant as the main MSs not having faceplate vents. Damn them.

Then there was the animators debacle where the circular theme of the whole series' MS design apparently being "too difficult to draw".
That's why as a whole, the S2 MS designs look blockier and comprised of more basic shapes compared to their predecessor.

With that said, I think 00 S2 is still not as bad as we like to think it is.
Consider this. Whenever S2 is criticised, it's always compared to S1 which was amazing.
Compared to other Gundam series, I'd say S2 was about par.

>>15427620
Marie was only Marie for a few eps before she turned into Soma again

>>15428055
She was Marie in the movie

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>>15428047
I have to wonder what Lasse was thinking when they shoved him in the 0 Gundam for that last battle.

>I'm barely even trained for this
>They put me in the most obsolete Gundam we have
>Even though the Exia is right there
>These new Mobile Suits are going to tear me a new one if they get close. Please don't let them get close.
>Really, I'm just here to intimidate the grunts.
>Make them think "Oh shit! Another fucking Gundam! Better stay the fuck away, I got enough to worry about."
>But really, if they get close, I'm doomed.
>Pew-Pew.

>>15428184

>Implying that Setsuna would have him set a foot in the Exia.

>>15425280
I don't think you should false-flag G-Reco by making such a stupid post, anon.

>>15426620
Even with season 2 not being quite as good as season 1, the enjoyment on /m/ for it was pretty fun and it had its own moments that kept the momentum going.

>Solid Snake Setsuna
>prison break with Gundam faces busting down walls
>The understanding scene and Setsuna's Gundam moment
>Trap Tieria in crossdress flirting with Ribbons
>Skittle Squadron
>Terminator Exia
>killer drones
Lots of fun stuff.

>>15427376
S2 was never a clusterfuck of "understanding".

>>15428184
I love the 0 Gundam

>>15428221
>S2 was never a clusterfuck of "understanding".
You must not have watched the sub, then. It's not even subtle.

>>15428280
I did. Unless you think understanding in 00 is anything other then Setsuna going "I need to kill this guy", kiddo.

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>>15427516
>>15427675
>>15428047
S1 was also changed in response to fan pressure and studio meddling (see pic). And the ending of S2 was rewritten due to the announcement of the movie - rumor has it Mizushima wanted to do aliens since the beginning kept getting cockblocked by Sunrise.

With all that said, I think the overall story was unchanged and always intended to go down the direction that it did. And for as much shit as S2 gets for reusing a lot of old Gundam tropes, they were often subverted in new and interesting ways and the similarities are really only skin-deep when you look at them.

>>15428280
Not him, but I honestly think 00 is the only universe outside maybe Turn A to ever do the "understanding" (note: lower-case) theme right. A lot of it had to do with Setsuna's development which held everything together.

>>15428280
You realize when Setsuna got the "understanding" jibes he either resolved to try and make someone understand him or others or he would kill them. It had NOTHING to do with outright active pacifism. That's how understanding was portrayed in 00 S2, which is fine.

Setsuna sees a threat and "understands" they can't be talked or reasoned with, he will neutralize them and that typically results in said target dying. This isn't like the shit with Kio in AGE or Kira in SEED and Destiny or even Banagher's bullshit in Unicorn.

>>15428290
Mizushima also wanted some weird stuff that Kuroda didn't want to do. He intended to have the Gagas actually be Bring Stabbity and Dusty Nova clones literally piloting SUICIDE MISSILES at Ptolemios II and their allies.

Kuroda rewrote this into becoming Gaga MS/MAs instead. Yeah Mizushima though was blocked on some things because Sunrise like most Japanese companies wants to stick with traditional or conventional stuff and not fully go innovative with new ideas.

I still think ultimately 00 in both seasons and its movie deliver a fun and unique experience that no AU before it with exception has done and most shows after it have failed to equate or live up to as well.

>>15428336
>Kuroda rewrote this into becoming Gaga MS/MAs instead
I'm pretty sure that was due to sponsor pressure about wanting a new toy to sell and Mizushima cucking them by making the most useless MS design he could think of.

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>>15428221
Don't forget the Memento Mori trench run. While I agree with >>15427516 that the whole Lockon mkII thing was kinda dumb and they could've accomplished the same things with Lyle as a crew member, that scene was fucking hype.

On my rewatch, I'm noticing that they did set up a lot of plot points for S2 in S1, but it's surprisingly subtle. I doubt a lot of first time viewers would pick up on or remember most of them, but it makes a rewatch really enjoyable.

>>15428336
No you missed the point it's that the shows ending has everyone but Ribbons and Ali stop fighting because suddenly they understand each other and this is the big flaw. The series assumes understanding = agreement and thats not the case at all you can understand someones beliefs and opinions and still disagree with them.

For example a detective an understand the actions of a criminal but it doesn't mean he agrees with the criminals actions.

Thats the flaw in the 'understanding' shown at the end of S2 and in the movie. Everyone agrees except the two moral black holes one of whom instantly dies 2 seconds later because his MS turned off and the dinky pistols that were scratching the paint job are suddenly blowing huge holes in it..

>>15428286
>>15428336
I remember a lot of understanding. Less on Setsuna's part, more on everyone else's part. Typically, it was facilitated by Setsuna, though. Remember what happened Every time he used Trans-Am while using the 0 raiser? That giant cloud of GN particles made everyone suddenly telepathic, and suddenly a lot of people started talking to each other. Saji and Louise, Billy and Sumeragi, etc.

>>15428383
The Memento Mori run was good save for the 'lets use a gundam as a battery for our ship' but this wasn't an issue unique to that fight.

Much worse was the 'We can't do anything without TRANS-AM' fighting that showed up. In S1 it's a one shot trick with a long cooldown and reduces the MS's performance since it drains all the stored particles. Then in S2 they some how stop the negative effects and every fight boils down to it nearly.

>>15428436
Saji didn't really talk with her untill the last battle, He just cried her name constantly like Al did with MARIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then again romance was one area 00 fell flat but considering it was never the focus and how limited they were for time due to the size of the cast i give it alittle leeway. Though Lockon 2.0's three episode romance with Anew was really bad.

>>15428428
Nah, didn't even happen with Louise. When the GN burst/field thing happened, she was already doubting herself before Setsuna enabled understanding mode with Saji for her.

>flaw in the movie
Nope.

>>15428436
>Saji and Louise
No. Rewatch the episode again, Louise was very clearly already establishing her old personality and trying to clear her mind. The cloud thing didn't cause it because she was already moving for it.

>>15428444
I actually just finished watching the episode. It was even better than I remembered.
Git fucked Ribbons.

I wasn't saying that Setsuna's cloud was the sole reason that Louise and Saji understood each other, I was simply using it as an example that S2 had "understanding" as a persistent theme.

>>15428452
Yeah I get that. My point was the GN cloud thing wasn't Setsuna causing understanding between Saji and Louise though since the latter was already clearly trying to establish some return to seeing Saji, it merely bridged them together.

I still think understanding in 00 is better then any other form of understanding we saw in AUs though. Hell didn't Setsuna experience something similar earlier in season 2 when he killed Zjinn and felt Louise's anguish and Andrei's reaction to the colonel's death?

>>15428469
Better than AGE's clusterfuck thats for sure.

>>15428452
If you interpret UNDERSTANDING as 'communication skills', it begins to make a lot more sense.

>>15428499
It's not really no 99% of them time it's just someone forcing shit via might makes right yet it's played off like everythings a misunderstanding.

Thats why people hate it so much in various shows though 00 is far from the worst offender 'cough' AGE 'cough'

>>15428493
And SEED's. And SEED-Destiny's. And everything else maybe barring Turn A.

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>>15421336
I'm still pissed that they decided to tease this ship just because they were popular characters and then did fucking nothing with them. And then they had to make her pain for Setsuna in the movie, again, for no fucking reason.

I wish I know who the fuck thought this was a good idea.

>>15428511
SEED for all it's flaws didn't have understanding both side only agreed to a ceasefire not a peace treaty and they only did it because both sides were exhausted militarily. DESTINY shows at it's start neither side were interested with peace and with good reason as the reasons the first war happened had never been delt with.

DESTINY had abit at it's end and it was the worst type where theres no actual atempt to understand anything or solve any problems beyond point a gun at people and demanding they fall in line.

Then you have AGE where Kio asumes shit and fails to understand anything about either side yet he's portrayed as 100% correct.

>>15428527
SEED had understanding up the ass.

>>15428534
No it has peace at gunpoint outta the ass.

>>15428538
It had understanding dude. Kira pushes this, and Lacus embodies this, and Cagali to a lesser extent. Seed is terrible for many number of reasons and this is one of them.

Kira's "gun of peace" is more a Destiny thing.

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As much as understanding is present in 00, I still say that the show was more about "Change" than understanding.
People who were too rooted in their ways or demons, suffered or even died.
Neil died because he couldn't let go of his hatred.
Nena died because she was angry at the world to a fault.
Ribbons died because he refused to accept a world alongside humanity.

Those who survived, did so because they were able to get over their past and move on, or simply change themselves for the better.
As Lockon said to Setsuna, "I couldn't change, so you'll have to do it in my place."

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>>15428510
The writers lack communication skills.

>>15428592
As for an example of suffering, Louise got her revenge, but in the end it amounted to nothing because her family was still dead.

For humanity to survive the dialogues to come, it had to change.

>>15428605
One thing i did like was how for most of S2 both Nena and Louise were ruled by revenge for the families they'd lost.

Certainly better than listening to Saji mope about Louise or Al's creepy stalker behaviour towards Soma.

>>15428520
I almost feel like that pairing was thrown in because some execs told Mishizuma that Setsuna needed a romantic interest.
I'm willing to bet there's an interview somewhere that fulfills my curiosity though.

>>15428614
You didn't like Saji inadvertently getting everyone at the Katharon base killed?

>>15428592
>Neil died because he couldn't let go of his hatred.
It's been a while since I've watched it, but wouldn't he have been fucked regardless? Ali's sensors detected him.

>>15428622
Kind of i don't remember too well other than laughing at them getting bent out of shap about ALaws using drones and blaming them for killing civvies and not Katharon for having civvies in a fucking secret terrorist base.

>>15428667
I agree on all except
>Katharon
>"terrorist"

>>15428592
This too. 00 is more about adapting and evolving to go beyond the standards of communication and the inability to ascertain what others want or believe then simple "understanding".

>>15428428
>because his MS turned off and the dinky pistols that were scratching the paint job are suddenly blowing huge holes in it
Arche powered down means its GN field is also down.

>>15428675
Yep. .

>>15428675
It wasn't using a GN field during that fight. Shots were pinging off the Arches armor then the rainbow cloud popped up and the suddenly those same shots started blowing huge holes in it.

>>15428669
As far as everyone but CB/Katharon were concerned they were terrorists and Setsuna and co were more upset with the automated drones than the idiots who kept civvies in a place that would obviously be attacked the second ALaws found out about it.

>>15428662
Neil sent off the Dynames back to the ship so he could get a 1/1M chance at sgooting down Ali.
He had totally had the chance to make a tactical retreat, but opted to stay.

>>15428688
>Neil sent off the Dynames back to the ship so he could get a 1/1M chance at sgooting down Ali.
Damn.

>>15428688
Holy shit look at all my typos. Time for bed.

Why is S1's second ED so gay?

>>15428688
>>15428691
To expand on this alittle yes Ali did detect him but only after he'd sent the Dynames away and was standing on that cannon ready to fire.

>>15428694
Are you talking shit about Daybreak's Bell you faggot?

Why the fuck didnt CB pull a Wiki Leaks and disclose all of their information to the public to gain complete approval? Wouldnt that have sped up Aeriola Shillingjew's idea

>>15428725
>ED
>Daybreak's Bell

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>>15428725
Daybreaks Bell is the 1st OP(and objectively the best one) anon

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>>15428694
If getting a haircut from Lockon is gay, I don't want to be straight.

>>15428731
Has the public ever been capable of giving a fuck outside of their comfortable lives?

>>15428736
Ash like Snow is better tbqh.

>>15428750
This. It was the entire plot of the Break Pillar arc and Hercury's failed coup de tat.

>>15428686
Whatever happened, happened. The final fight between the Arche and Cherudim goes in episode 23 with Ali just soaking all the shots even at close range and slapping the shit out of Lyle to suddenly that final GN Burst where Lyle is suddenly damaging the Arche, especially once its forcibly powered down and shut off after Tieria and Regene severe Ribbons' control of VEDA.

And the only damage Lyle had managed before this was using the GN-hatchet thing in his GN Pistols against the Arche.

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>>15428752
1.Daybreaks Bell
2.Ash Like Snow
3.Hakanaku Towa Mo Kanashi
4.Namida Mukou
5.Tozaserata Sekai

>>15428768
Tozaserata Sekai needs to be higher. That song is badass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMJ1GcYH_BQ

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>>15428768
Ash like Snow > Daybreaks Bell.

Friends > Prototype.

>>15428791
Trust You > Everything else

>>15421376
It's decent. It's a fairly straight forward action-packed show so it's easy to follow and doesn't matter if you can't.

>>15428797
Trust You isn't even worth remembering.

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>>15428815
You have no soul.

>>15428791
>>15428797
Such bad taste. L'Arc En Ciel's OPs were the only worthwhile songs in 00.

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>>15421697
>Now all I remember is people singing prince ali

>>15428511
And don't forget the IBO and muh Orga.

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>>15428520
>>15428615
>Was hoping they would get together almost from day one.
>Thought they would have understood eachother and had a comfy and quiet relationship.
>Liked Lockon but was never a fan of Feldt's infatuation with him.
>Lockon dies
>Understood that Feldt and Setsuna were just friends at this point and was happy with that
>Retarded fancunts started shipping her with Lockon 2
>Fanbase goes full retard Anew hate because of it
>Sit back watching the retarded shitflinging
>Suddenly flower scene
>Nothing happens after
>"Was that shipping bait this late in the series? Couldn't be, thats just fucking stupid."
>Spens the whole fucking movie pining for Setsuna
Seriously fuck you Sunrise

>>15429065
Setsuna is Gundamsexual
He's got no time for women without GN Drives

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>>15429075
Except for Marina.

>>15428826
Wrong, utterly.

>>15429065
Feldt had a hard life.

>>15429075
That's what made it so retarded. Her starting to want something with Setsuna that late in the show, when he's already established that he's Gundamsexual, was just setting her up to fail miserably. And it's not like her misery led to some deep catharsis or character development. I have no idea what they were trying to go for here because they had her fall for Setsuna for completely no fucking reason at all.

>>15429126
I understand his frustration that it was just done by writers and directors to frustrate Feldt's character intentionally with that baiting and hinting that went around nowhere with her character post-rebuffing by Lyle in season 2 all the way to the movie.

>>15429112
>Except for Marina.
You mean his "mom"
>B-but the manga
Just fucking no. The creator doesn't even like that pice of shit.

>>15428686
>>15428764
Need gunpla manual or official mechanical blurb for this but if they have the technology to enhance GN Sword/Blade cutting power by infusing it with GN particles, surely they can do the same with the armor (maybe that's what those ribbon cables on S1 Gundams for?). We saw how the Gundams can tank conventional rounds even without GN Field active, but I don't remember they mention anything about super special armor material. And when something in the Gundams is far superior than conventional MS, it's always because of GN particles.
So assuming that Arche and other GN-powered MS have this 00-equivalent of Phase Shift armor, when they're powered down their armor are just plain old e-carbon similar to Hellions or Flags.

>>15429112
>Marina.
Man I hated her. She was pretty I guess but she seemed like a such a pathetic failed Relena wannabe.

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>>15429171
Yes, it does improve armor durability. GN particles just make everything better, when e-carbon is infused with GN particles, it's called GN composite armor.

>>15425514
That entire scene was edited/timed gloriously. Even though I maintain that even with the side material Big Bad Ribbons was an asspull. Also Livonze > Ribbons.

>>15427516
Ali should have been the main bad guy. There should have been no overarching Villain Association, just one guy continuing to play different portions of the world army and terrorists against each other, except with the threat of the movie aliens bearing down on them and MAYBE innovades helping Ali.

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>Setsuna is Gundamsexual
>the human representation of his Gundam looks deliberately similar to his mother/Marina
Really makes you think.

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Huh, forgot about my rule 63 folder.

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>>15429370

>>15429366
Retard artist forgot to change Tieria.

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>>15429379
Which one is it?

>>15426620
>a great final battle
Eh, Memento Mori was better

>>15429450
The best part of that battle was highlighting how shitty Lyle was as a sniper.

>>15428441
>Saji didn't really talk with her untill the last battle
They did though. When they have a vision of the Earth, Saji tries to convince Louise that revenge won't make her happy.

>>15428775
Tozaserata Sekai is god-tier. I rank it higher than Daybreak's Bell. Anyway, the best 00 song was Wana.

>>15425580
It was wonderful.

>>15428229
As do I. I picked up the Full Armor version, still want a GN wings effect though. HG 1/44 never.

>>15428437
Improving storage, recollection and generation of GN particles is pretty much why no other Gundam ended up with GN Wings. It'd been improving since the O Gundam.

That said, the idea of the Mech itself being drained after a surge in power was nice.

>>15428815
I can't trust you to judge what good music is after that false statement.

>>15429358
I don't even remember what his parents look like, surprisingly. Beautiful animation right here anyway.

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>>15421697
>but I refused to watch it because I thought it looked ugly
That's exactly how I felt recently with IBO. Guess I missed out.

>>15425623
You got a source for that, because that is just bonkers and I really want to believe it's true.

>>15429822
The 300 Years Later Sourcebook

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>>15429444
He's like a gender surprise box.

>>15429138
I didn't even say anything about the manga, you mook.

What did /m/ think at the time of the 0 Gundam's design?

>>15429171
That's not what's being discussed though, anon. The point here I'm making earlier was that the Arche has been shown like mother Gundam-type suits in 00 to tank regular beam weapons. Unlike Flags or Enacts that use the defensive rod's rotational speed to cause a plasma field to match GN beam energy or an actual GN barrier, the Arche simply goes from tanking shots from the Cherudim at close range to getting cored. The only time before VEDA gets shut down and the Arche powered off that Lyle was doing damage was with the GN hatchet blades built into his GN pistols. I don't think there's anything equivalent to phase armor in 00, 00 just shows us GN particles infused and coated in material makes it tougher and more durable and I'm pretty certain there's no difference between that with the Arche and any other Gundam in the story.

>>15428797

As good as it is, I still can't stop laughing when it plays after Anew dies

>>15429956

Schrodinger's Penis?

>>15429971
>mother
There's a typo if there ever was one.

>>15429444
>>15429956
Personally, it doesn't make a difference to me.

>>15428826
DING DONG
DING
DONG DING DONG DING DONG
DRRRING DONG DING DONG

NEE KONNA

Does anyone have that hilarious old photorealistic 'American Hollywood Gundam 00' fanart?

I remember it had nigga Tieria and Setsuna as like Liam Neeson smoking a bigass cigar.

>>15429450
Nobody said it wasn't.

If there is one thing 00 was consistent about was good fights.

But point was we got a nice final battle so it ended on a good note which is a good thing even if the overall show was bad.

>>15428592
>Ribbons died because he refused to accept a world alongside humanity.
More like he died because Setsuna had a really overpowered Gundam that could literally teleport. The man practically fought the entire team to a standstill with just raw skill with a less advanced machine TWICE.

>>15429313
Honestly that would've been the BEST scenario and completely fit the tone and atmosphere they set with S1.

But I just don't entertain the idea of Ali as big bad since the way S1 was written he kinda got melted in the vacuum of space so it didn't seem like he was meant to survive.

Then in S2 it turns out evil Villain Association can somehow rez and rehabilitate him fully and I suspect this was more marketing pressure because of his popularity.

>>15429967
Pure fanservice, in a good way as it was done to celebrate the 30th anniversary of MSG.

>>15430159
The end fight between Ribbons and Setsuna was Ribbons losing in a vastly inferior 0 vs a rebuilt and upgraded R2 Exia. The Reborns is actually inferior to the 00 Raiser but the difference wasn't great enough for Setsuna to win because Ribbons was simply that much of a better pilot.

>Ali
>melted in space
Not even implied. We never even got a cockpit shot of Ali dying and everyone knew he, like Lasse, Setsuna, and Graham would survive season 1's ending into season 2.

>>15430183
>>15430159
The Reborns was built using stolen 00R schematics in mind. It was the superior machine, and was meant to be used with True GN drives.

>>15430183
>The Reborns is actually inferior to the 00 Raiser
Incorrect. Tau Drives and Innovator shenanigans aside, Reborns is technically SUPERIOR to the 00 Raiser as it's able to utilise its Twin Drive system without the aid of a support unit.

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>>15430173
Considering Ribbons is basically Bad Amuro, I can't imagine the 0 Gundam's design being anything else.

Whether you like him or not, Ribbons was a tribute character done right. They were able to go all in on the Amuro references in a great and creative way while still allowing for Ribbons to stand on his own. Like you could take all the OG Gundam references out and it wouldn't affect the plot, but at the same time that didn't mean the references were just mindlessly slapped on; they clearly put some thought into the execution and made that shit enhance the show.

Compare that to AGE and IBO. Both shows had a lot of superficial call backs that stood out because they felt like references for the sake of references. Like they had a checklist of common/popular gundam things and just tacked them on whatever because they didn't believe those shows could stand on their own merits (which turned out to be kinda true).

>>15430243
IBO had callbacks?

>>15430219
>>15430217
No, this is incorrect.

Reborns has inferior output since it can't do trans am burst, quantum teleportation, or a large beam cannon/sword like raiser sword, even though Ribbons could manufacture and pick two tau drives with the best possible compatibility. Even if it had a short duration, ribbons should have opted for the best possible performance for his own machine.

Proof of this lies in the Reborns' original design. We're told that the Reborns originally had a tank mode but that was scrapped in favor of incorporating twin drive system in the elbows instead. That's why Reborns Origin -doesn't- have arm mounted GN tau drives, this can be seen in the official art. Ribbons removed the tank mode in favor of increasing the overall performance of the MS, and the elbows were chosen as the mounting point because there wasn't anywhere else to mount twin drives. I know it's an "after the fact" sort of deal, but the base design didn't include the twin drive system so it cannot be said that the Reborns was meant to be a twin drive machine in the first place, nor does it take advantage of the TDS. At least the Raiser attachment allows those special abilities. All the Reborns has going for it is that its own TDS is stable, likely because Ribbons picked the two best synchronizing tau drives.

At most the Reborns somewhat superior to the base 00 Gundam because of the extra utility and weapons, but inferior to the 00R in terms of output and the inability to perform trans-am burst and raiser sword (or a comparably large beam/sword).

>>15430269
http://www.gundam00.net/tv/ms/10g.html
I'm sorry, but even the official site says it's the most powerful suit at the end of S2.
Only reason why Setsuna was able to pull off that shit was because of his Innovation combined with the feedback from TrueGN Drives.

>>15430286
Remember a Trans-Am Burst is only able to be produced when a true Innovator works in conjunction with a stable trans-am system.
So the Reborns is capable of Quantizing and even the TransAm Burst, but Ribbons isn't an innovator.

>>15430286
Where does it say that? All I can gleam out of the article is this:

>Only the original solar furnace, not a pseudo solar furnace, was inferior, and Ribbons thought that the defeat in the battle with Setsuna was there. In fact, due to technological innovation, the performance difference due to the solar furnace was almost eliminated.

All that means is that the Reborns has performance on par with the 00R because technological innovation was able to make up for the Tau drives having less output. Nowhere in the entire writeup does it say "most powerful machine".

Here's the entire writeup, courtesy of Google translate:

"An aircraft made using mobile suits technology accumulated in Veda. The basic design was completed at a considerably early stage, initially with Gundam mode as the main machine, Cannon mode was designed as a separate aircraft for supporting machines, but Ribbons, who did not rely on friends, It became the current form by consolidating the functions of one. Completed by incorporating the Twin Drive system that Anew steals. It is a special aircraft that inherited all of the previous mobile suits in terms of function, performance and arming. [then this is where the above greentext goes]

· Gundam Mode
Versatile mode. The common item with Gundam Exia remains remarkably in the basic data, and it can be said that it is a brother machine on the design data, but since it finally equipped with many arms, its appearance is few in appearance.
· Cannon mode
Mode specialized for long range shooting ability. The same basic data as Gundam Vaci is used in the design. Sensors of the same series as GN - X II cannon are adopted as sensors in the head visor."

I suppose it could be said that IF the Reborns had true GN drives and a true innovator then would be superior to the 00R, but it had neither so it never ended up reaching that potential.

>>15430323
So yeah. The only aspect in which the Reborns was inferior was the lack of True GN Drives.
However technological innovations had made the performance difference between the two almost negligible.
But yeah, Reborns never reached its full potential.
Honestly they should have salvaged the Reborns for the film rather than the 00R.

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>>15430246
Off the top of my head, there was Makkie and Gaelio basically being a bootleg of Char and Garma, the Earth map has Australia fucked up from the colony drop, and the ending is basically "but what if Zeon won."

Like I said, it's really superficial and a lot of IBO's elements come off like the writer just powered through all of Gundam, picked iconic or well received ideas, slapped it onto the story, and called it a day. There's a bunch of minor, pedantic things too that could be coincidental but there's enough of it that I'm really suspicious.

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>>15430418
>Europe in african union

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>>15430449
Really makes you think.

>>15430300
>but Ribbons isn't an innovator.
Pretty sure he was actually.
I thought he was?

Least what I got was it was a plot point that Innovade's were meant to facilitate the birth of Innovator's. But against Aeolia's predictions Ribbons ironically awoke as a full Innovator as well which just added to his already overinflated ego.

Whole point was just Reborns wasn't just simply BAD Amuro, he was like BAD Ultimate Newtype Amuro.

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>>15430449

>"but mah white culture" Europe in the same block as the ME
>Alaska can now literally see Russia from its house
>Greenland as some kind of lawless hellscape

Whoever made this map put zero thought into it, especially compared to 00's map. 3 superpower blocks is still a hilarious oversimplification but at least with 00 you can suspend your disbelief.

>>15430517
Ribbons was an Innovade but he was the first Innovade so he was special in that sense, iirc he was given more independence than later models and is a pretty good if straightforward Lucifer archetype because of that.

I'm honesty not sure if Innovades can become true Innovators but my guess would be no.

>>15430219
Wrong.

00 Raiser has:

- original GN Drives
- properly squared performance both with and without using Trans-AM
- Trans-AM burst
- Raiser system
- Quantization
- higher GN particle output and condensors

Reborns has:

- inferior GN Tau drives
- inferior Twin Drive system
- no quantization/teleportation

>>15430571
I took from it as well that since Ribbons was already the ultimate Innovade, that's why he considered himself an Innovator. The dude could mind-control people (see Louise), broken the deepest secrets and controls of VEDA, gave himself body copies, had his consciousness permanently connected with VEDA giving him essentially immortality, was the best pilot of the Innovades, and even after Setsuna awoke as a Innovator, Ribbons was matching him in an inferior suit.

>>15429978
I thought that was he most touching moment in the whole series. The way she closes her eyes and slides out of the frame wrecks me every time, even wih Lyle's womanhips and the fact that their romance was beyond forced. It's just a sad, beautiful moment.

Season 2 and the Movie are hot garbage, 00 should have ended at Season 1.

>>15430159
I'm pretty sure you see Ali in the S1 ending montage. He's the guy in the hospital wih the glass of water.

>>15430631
I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE YOU
I TRUUUUUUUUUUUUST YOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hv5sgsnHjY

>>15430571
I mean, it's not like the last half of the 20th century was dominated by 3 mega-entities ("Free World"/NATO, "People's Republic"/Warsaw Pact, "Third World"/Everyone Else).

>>15430641
And the beam only melted the lower half of the Drei. If Patrick survived, why wouldn't Ali?

>>15430670
Using Patrick as a metric for survival is unreasonable

>>15430603
It has a superior twin drive system as it doesn't need a whole other mechanism to synchronize the drives. Plus again the whole teleportation thing only works because Setsuna is a true Innovator.
But it doesn't really matter anyhow.
Setsuna didn't win merely because of his suit, he also had the help of Ptolemy to give him a fighting advantage.
Ribbons was so obsessed with being a solo act that he made the Reborns to reflect that (originally the GN Guncannon was supposed to be a support suit). Setsuna however accepted others, and was accepted by them.

If you watch the fight again, it isn't until the Ptolemy launches the smokescreen that the battle starts turning around for Setsuna.

>>15430725
Which is another thing I like about 00.
Actual teamwork.

>>15428555
Actually, Kira was Chaotic in Destiny.

It's was Durandal who want understanding ending.

>>15430729
That part in the first season when Tieria and Setsuna put their difference by the side and executed a synchronized attack on the thrones was awesome

>>15430725
Setsuna didn't win at all. The entire point was even with the tech and slight performance advantage on top of being an Innovator, Ribbons managed to end the fight in a stalemate with the inferior Reborns. Its only when he had to use the absolutely utterly outdated 0 Gundam did Setsuna win, and "barely" at that.

>>15430670
>If Patrick survived
The man survived being assimilated by a alien hivemind horde without so much as a scratch, he is not someone you should use as a metric.

>>15430725
What are you talking about?

Reborns vs 00 Raiser fight as soon as Ribbons revealed its true Gundam form had Setsuna on the back foot the majority of the fight both with or without factoring Hillings and Revive's involvement had him losing.

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The show memed itself.

>>15430865
I really love how Ribbons just when melee-form on Setsuna for a bit. I also love how Setsuna threw him.

This morning I wondered what it would've been like if Setsuna had used the 0 Gundam and Reborns (due to Lasse) the Exia. I think it would've looked cool, but the reaction probably would be bad with foolish people praising how a more conventional looking Gundam struck down a newer looking one (referring to the whole face vents thing)

>>15428797
>>15428815
>battle damage gundums
>jackets tied together against the wind
it's so sappy but so beautiful ;_;

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>>15431381
I can't get my head around this one. Is it Setsuna and Tieria?

>>15431403
I think its representing how they both let go of their own humanity for the good of everyone else with Tieria becoming Veda and Setsuna become the first true innovator

>>15431415
My first thought was that they are a couple, since all the others in the ending are couples. A computer-obsessed oddball and a robot-obsessed oddball, they are made for each other.

>>15431429
>Veda is better
>No, Gundam is better
>Fuck you
>NO, FUCK YOU

>>15431431
So much hatesex potential.

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>>15431431
>Hangar three, ten minutes

>>15429971
I think GN particles infusion in GN Composite Armor as mentioned here >>15429270 must have need to be circulated constantly, and not stagnant particles trapped between layers of armor.
So it is kind of PS-armor equivalent but instead of electricity it has GN particles distributed and you need the Drive and all the system to be turned on. Once everything turned off, the infusion just stopped and the armor is just regular e-carbon.

>>15431403
>>15431415
That's Tieria's glasses and jacket.
I don't know if you can't tell for some reason, but it's purple.
Setsuna's whole business during the ED is his child self.

>>15431500
Looks like blue to me.

>>15430725
>It has a superior twin drive system as it doesn't need a whole other mechanism to synchronize the drives.

00 Gundam wouldn't need the Raiser if it had two perfectly synchronized true drives. That's why 00Q doesn't need a support machine for it's TDS. As has been said over and over, Ribbons had the advantage of picking two tau drives with the best synchronization for his TDS because the CB asteroid ship is a factory.

>>15431505
you have to consider the green tint

>>15431536
The tint is not green though.

>>15431541
Cyan

>>15426481
Why didn't Asuka I mean Louise die for her crimes? Why didn't Shinji I mean Saji die for his?

>>15431541
Sorry, forgot I was using f.lux.

>>15431609
Louise had a severe mental disorder caused by the wholesale slaughter of her family right in front of her, and a physical one caused by Ribbons's manipulation.

Saji's crimes were committed as part of Celestial Being. No one knew he was the one who committed them.

>>15431623
I don't give a shit about her "problems". She helped to create the Allahs and Momento Morie which killed thousands of innocent people. Bitch so deserved to die. As for Saji I was JUST fucking around about his "crimes" and didn't like him.

>>15431431
>>15431449
This reminds me to check up on DBZ Abridged.

>>15427376
>>15427516
>>15428047
>>15430638
>refusing to UNDERSTAND
S2 was a better character drama while S1 is a power fantasy for teenagers. The movie is indeed hot garbage since becoming a glowing nudest to understand aliens is just bizarre

>>15431657
The movie was great and a perfectly fitting conclusion to the story and characters. I still don't understand the butthurt over it - aliens were teased since all the way back in S1.

>>15431676
I was pretty on the fence about the aliens thing but ultimately I didn't care much about it
I would've liked the movie more if it weren't just Gundams fighting silver funnels for two hours though

>>15431649
>Allah's
Anon... It's A-Laws. Did you seriously watch the entire second season thinking that the antagonist was an Islamic proxy?

And I contend that Louise consciously helped to create either of those. She became the sole inheritor of an enormous fortune after her entire extended family was wiped out, and the Innovades approached her while she was hospitalized and weak, and offered her a chance for revenge. She basically signed away her fortune to them without thinking about it.

Which, also, should let you know why she was able to get off scot-free when the A-Laws went down, even though she signed many of the checks. She was rich. Rich people rarely go to prison.

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>>15431702
Yes Allahs because word play.

And it is called karma that which should of happened like maybe she dies for her sins and Shiji lives.

I hate also that somewhere I believe it was the director said that we (the audience) were supposed to believe that Louise/Saji were the main characters all along.

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>>15431655
>This reminds me to check up on DBZ Abridged.
They got their shit pulled from youtubeagain

>>15431745
Weren't they partnered with Funimation or something? One the guys even got a role in the Resurrection F movie.

>>15431775
Funimation isn't Toei. If Toei doesn't want their stuff, it goes. But it's all still on their website

http://teamfourstar.com/

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I still laugh like a Jack Chick villain at Louise's misfortune.

>>15431829
So she lost her entire family, got mentally and physically abused by a tyrannical organization of telepathic superhumans, and was coerced into commiting numerous atrocities.

At least she's rich and has a bf.

>>15431811
>>15431775
Also, legal branches of big companies are known to act without proper communication with the rest of the staff, pulling down fan content that's informally approved by the company but doesn't have any hard license on paper.
And that's not getting into rampant content-ID bots.

>>15431841
It's probably not the content-ID bots. TFS has had at least 3 run-ins with them before, I have to assume that the whole channel would have been whitelisted by this point.

>>15431853
You're giving too much credit to youtube, they have been know to launch copyright strikes against the actual owners of music on their official channels

>>15431836
Well, she became one of the new super humans in the end and is on the personal CB protection list, she was also probably offered a seat on the Sumeragi along with Saji

>>15431836
Are you forgetting that she was also drugged and her crush, Zinn, was also horribly killed before her too?

>>15431940
I count drugged under "mentally and physically abused"

I didn't really notice any attraction by Louise
towards Zinn. He was her commander, and she had affection for him in that regard. Regularly saving her life, and beating Setsuna almost 1v1 probably added to this, but still, it was by all appearances platonic.

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The most depressing meme, come suffer with me.

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Rewatching 00 to get rid of the bad taste that IBO left feels pretty great.

>>15431381
I loved both S2 endings. My heart sinks every time Lyle walks away from his empty childhood home. And then the flashes in the next part feel like glimpses into a Turn A-style Dark History, the small moments wherein humanity barrels towards destruction. So then Trust You picks up from that and shows the aftermath, an abandoned Earth with man's machines rusted, decrepit; all that's left to tell of us are the signs of our struggle, but also of our ultimate victory. I know it was supposed to be symbolic but the imagery is just incredibly visceral too.

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>>15432642
Here have some bullshit

>>15432707
>Turns into faggot sparkly vampire.

>>15432707
>achieves his dream to merge with his Gundam
How is that bullshit?

>>15432707
>Gundam Setsuna
>bullshit
Anon, you failed the retard exam with the 00 movie. Please off yourself.

Also anyone have the Gundam MC chart with the ages with Setsuna as the oldest? Still need to save that.

>>15431349
That's why I like 00 Series. No other Gundam shows didn't made it yet.

>>15431505
You're color blind

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>>15430571
>Ribbons
>First Innovade

Nope, he's not. Sky Eclipse is one of the first innovade if he's not one.

>>15432750
Sky Eclipse is just from the same template, based off E. Ray's. When was it stated he was produced before Ribbons?

>>15432707
>bullshit

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>this is actually a thing...
I want one.

Does anyone have that pic of a Mudkip photoshooped onto a FLAG in reference to Graham's weeabooness?

>>15430243
>They were able to go all in on the Amuro references
What references were those, aside from the voice and the camera angles in the final fight with Exia?

>>15432707
>TENTAISEIBUTSU

>>15432849
Who said that Ribbons is the first innovade to be produced?

>>15431676
The really awful choreography of the fights for one thing might be an issue in a movie where it made up almost all the screentime.

>>15432849
Because the first solar furnace was made on jupiter and since we had a Ribbons template there its safe to assume the first innovade went there

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>>15433434
>awful choreography of the fights
Considering the nature of the enemy (contact=death), I don't see how else they could have done it. And it was done pretty damn well, in my opinion.

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I really loved Ribbons as an antagonist.
But part of me hoped he'd actually have benevolent intentions i.e. genuinely believing that humanity was doomed unless he took the wheel.

Or did he?

>>15433515
Were you paying attention? He despised humanity. All of the A-Laws' atrocities were entirely unnecessary, they were largely committed just for Ribbons's vanity. In the final fight he outright says that he refuses to live in a world where humanity is treated equal to innovators.

I bet you that Ribbons's Utopia features a small class of Innovators at the top of society, a somewhat larger amount of Innovades doing what the Innovators can't be assed to, and the Human race as a bunch of slaves doing everything else.

The movie was an okay homage to Childhood's End. It felt kinda weird seeing Arthur Clarke stuff in Gundam but I still enjoyed it.

>>15433477
I think the events of the movie gave renewed respect for the CB pilots by the normal soldiers and renewed fear of them by the terrorists because of how absolutely broken they are

>>15432750
S2 Official File vol.6 says directly that Ribbons was the first. While I appreciate all the cool info that the supplement materials gives us, GD do I wish some of it was in the show or at least compiled into one big volume for spergs like me.

>>15433077
Voice, similar haircut/appearance, 0 Gundam = RX, both are defining examples of their shows' respective newtypes. Then there's the invert stuff like main character to main villain, Ribbons' personality being strongly based on "what if amuro but evil."

>>15433525
I think Ribbons would put the Innovades over Innovators in his utopia, he's too egotistical and up his own ass to have anyone above him. I strongly suspect that he doesn't value them at all and would've been happy if they didn't exist so Innovades could be considered the True Innovators. Look at how he treated Louise, like he was distastefully powerleveling an Innovator into existence just because he knew he needed one for communicating with the ELS and I bet he hated that the Innovades couldn't do it on their own.

>>15433525
I'm >>15433690 but I just realized you meant Innovators as in "Ribbons and his skittles court" instead of actual human Innovators so nevermind that reply.

Thanks for making shit confusing to discuss, Ribbons.

>>15433477
>Considering the nature of the enemy (contact=death), I don't see how else they could have done it. And it was done pretty damn well, in my opinion.

It's a cool idea but the ELS are not enough of a mystery to make it interesting. They're just STMC with UNDERSTANDING.

>>15433752
I always thought of them as non-asshole replicators.

I kinda disagree with you, the ELS didn't need anything more than they were given or else it would've bogged down the story. The focus of the movie and the payoff to the entire series wasn't "who are the aliens" but was the act of successfully making contact. That in the end humanity isn't saved by pewpew but by everyone working together to make that contact happen. The whole touch=death just hammers it home that you can't brute force the solution and that trying to will just make things worse.

That said I can understand why someone wouldnt be happy with the fights since the movie was probably not what anyone expected going in.

>>15433477
SEED reference? Studio 3 confirmed for bros?

>>15424957
How is the Gundam 00 dub? Save for SciFi cutting out the last two minutes of each episode (which clearly isn't going to be a problem on Hulu), I hear pretty good things about it.

>>15434185
It does its job.
It didn't cast Amuro's VA as Ribbons but it still did a good effort.

>>15434234
Yeah, but to be fair they DID cast Amuro's VA as Setsuna which is pretty interesting in its own right.

Cool, I'll be sure to check it out. Thanks, Anon!

>>15434185
Not bad, but the voice direction is rather stilted at times, particularly in the first season where most of the actors struggle to emote, and some voices (e.g. Graham) aren't as MANLY as their Jap counterpart or are just flat out funny (i.e. Scott McNeil doing his best impression of a black man):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KdNGqyCtVDg

All in all, a good effort but the Jap performances are clearly of a different standard.

>>15425355
>>15425218
Wasn't there a bunch of these silly comics?
I remember there was one with Heroman

>>15432995
W-what is that? A gundam for Feldt? Sure are the same shads of pink.

>>15434306
That guy only ever worked as Quatre for me

>>15436330
Heeroyuy_and_setsuna_gundam.jpg

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>>15436330
Sources say no.

>>15437188
Uh it's trans-am 00 buddy.

>>15421376
It's gateway Gundamoo

>>15437346
>gundamu
>gundamoo
>gundam00
it's like shitty pottery

>>15437341
>Uh it's trans-am 00 buddy.
I'm too drunk right now to know what you mean by this.

>>15433477
I'm not really bothered about the beam spam nature, dogfights are another type of action scene.

What I didn't like about the movie is almost every scene was <insert MS> flying at the screen and disappearing, disappearing as a speck with a shaky cam following it in a single skybox all in the space of like 2 second. It was impossible to follow anything most of the time.

Also actually beam spam is a legitimate complaint here since since the ELS morphing into MS with fully functional beams didn't make a lot of sense. Missiles sure maybe, would've actually been more dangerous.

It struck me more as a animation shortcut they took to dodge having to actually animate ELS in person swarming the Earth army. Like in that scene you can't even see what he's shooting at or what is shooting him.

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>>15437194
Pic related.

>>15437358
The gundams in 00 have a super mode where they turn Char red and go faster called Trans-am

>>15434457
One wonders why they wouldn't just hire a black man... We're cheaper too.

>>15437412
Because its cheaper to hire one guy and make him voice as many people as humanly possible as is leaf tradition

I'm watching S2 at the moment, and it's actually pretty good so far.
But what the fuck did they do to Graham? Why in the ass is he called Mr Bushido now?

>>15437733
He lost his way after his fight with Setsuna and Katagiri or whatever he's called stuffed his head full of bushido crap.

>>15437733
He went mad after all his comrades were killed and literally became a demon of war as a coping mechanism. His arc in S2 was rediscovering his ideals and finding a new place in the world (which he does in the movie).

>>15433439
And your evidence Ribbons wasn't created there before Sky is...?

>>15438053
According to Gundam wiki (lol wiki) which cites a fan translation of "Gundam 00 Season 2 Official File 6 pg. 14-15" that is no longer accessible, Ribbons is "the first innovade produced under Celestial Being".

We know from supplementary materials that there are two types of innovades, combat and non-combat. The combat types were meant to pilot mobile suits. The non-combat types were meant for intelligence gathering as sleeper agents inserted into human civilization, or for technical tasks. If mobile suits didn't exist yet, Veda wouldn't have had a need to produce innovade pilots.

Just saying, the base DNA type of an innovade doesn't seem to play into whether an innovade is designated as a combat type or not. Obviously, Ribbons was a combat type since he was a meister, but Skye Eclipse was a scientist who was on the team that produced the first GN drive. They can probably genetically modify the DNA to produce what type they need. It's just that since Ribbons was a meister, he was likely a combat model. When they say "the first innovade produced under Celestial Being", I take that to mean CB the rogue group that deploys Gundams to shove peace down peoples' throats, not Aeolia's 200+ year old organization as a whole.

>>15438181
As Aeolias organization CB's role was exactly that though, to 'force' peace onto people just with more small interventions and behind the scenes manipulation as opposed to Corner and then Ribbons more direct approach. Hell look at the shit they pulled with nuclear energy Aeolia feard mankind would destroy themselves with that technology so CB acting in the shadows moved to eliminate it and convertly promote Aeolia's big ass solar ring system. This also helped push humanity into forming into superstates making the final push to a unified and more peaceful planet. Ofc the resource wars and strife that formed those same superstates was something CB had to have known would happen.

The whole point of Setsuna and co getting there asses kicked at the end of S1 and leading into S2was that they realised while peace is desireable trying to force it on people doesn't fucking work because people feel oppressed and in turn they rebel and revolt.

What Corner wanted was mankind in a gilded cage forced into obediance with him and his family at the top along with the other observers who'd supported them.

Aeolia wanted a gilded cage too but he wanted one maintained via small scale interventions.

Ribbons went with Corners idea but rather than being a pure powergrab it was under the belief that mankind was incappable of peace so someone had to activly guide it and he was clearly the best choice.

The Ptolemaios bunch during S2 were more about stopping Ribbons draconian behaviour and less about putting the plan that failed miserably in S1 back into motion by the end VEDA is under ESF control and whats left of CB appears more interested in sitting back and only involving themselves if it looks like another tyrant is going to abuse things.

Then the ELS come along and the shit hits ze fan.

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>>15437397
Do you think Relena would like watching them fuck?

I think so

Isn't Ribbons Amuro Ray reborn?

>>15438962
Do you mean in a metaphorical sense? Or in terms of reincarnation?

>>15433690
>Ribbons' personality being strongly based on "what if amuro but evil."
EVEN AOELIA SCHENBERG NEVER HIT ME

>>15438973
Both

>>15438357
I wonder if 00's writers were deliberately riffing on Foundation.

>What Corner wanted was mankind in a gilded cage forced into obediance with him and his family at the top along with the other observers who'd supported them.
The First Foundation's vision for a Second Galactic Empire

>Aeolia wanted a gilded cage too but he wanted one maintained via small scale interventions.
The Second Foundation's vision for a Second Galactic Empire

>Then the ELS come along and the shit hits ze fan.
which is what kind of what Gaia's vision for Galaxia was intended to combat, because human behavior could be predicted but alien behavior could not, so a hivemind of humanity was necessary to meet aliens with.

>>15437397
>Dat file name

>>15439059
Mizushima said he took inspiration from the foundation because he is a fan of the books, that is why 00 has a far more scifi feel to it than other gundams and even has aliens in it

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>>15438181
"Ribbons was the first Innovade produced" period, end of discussion, word of God, etc etc. 2 sources, http://gundam00.livejournal.com/777496.html#cutid1 and http://archive.is/xbfQy because I'm apparently an Innovade scholar now.

Not sure where you're getting the "under CB" qualifier from.

>>15438886
Make the Gundams touch, Relena.

>>15439326
I know Relena is the peaceful princess but I want her to murder Marina in this pic.

>>15439259
Seriously? That's pretty cool.

>>15439326
Does anyone know who drew this picture? It looks like another image I've been looking for where Relena and Marina are playing volleyball and Relena spikes the ball right in Marina's face. Google is giving me nothing.