Which Enterprise is the best looking, /m/?

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For me, it's the NX-01 Refit.

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Specifically prefer the colors (and bridge) on the 1701-A over the 1701 Refit.

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Connie Refit for life.

Then again, the only truly "bad" Enterprise design to me is the J and that's dubiously canon anyway.

>>15408163
>Which Enterprise is the best looking, /m/?

The NCC 1701-A Enteprise appearing in Star Trek the first film.

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I've always been fond of the sleek sexy E

>>15408227
Isn't 1701-A the one one the replaces the original after it was destroyed in The Search for Spock? The one in the first three movies was officially the same ship from the show.

>>15408268
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it debuted in the second film.
That said, I agree with
>>15408188
>>15408227
1701-A is pure starsex

>>15408265
The Sovereign always looked too flat to me. Probably because it has no neck.

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The Excelsior class is pretty cool balance between the aged retro look of the Constitution class and the squished pancake of the Galaxy class

>>15408163

Not that one, that's for damn sure,

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>>15408265
I like the Sovereign but I'm not at all fond of the way Starfleet designs are heading post-Dominion War, the ships are way too detailed for me. Which isn't to say that I don't like these newer ship designs, just that they feel like a downgrade. The Constitution was a sleek, pretty much completely featureless design that screamed futuristic. The E is too greebly, full of things meant to evoke a sense of high-budget design compared to the original, but that end up making it seem less technologically advanced. Like the lifeboats, for instance. The Connie and the Galaxy all had lifeboats, but they were nowhere near as prominent. And what's up with the black bars and triangles? Why are they there? I also don't like how the ships are becoming progressively less circular, circular ships put Trek apart from every other franchise filled with pointy or more realistic designs. The ships in STO feel very Star Wars-y more than Trek. When I was a kid, the Enterprise D creeped me out, because with that general curviness and the deflector dish that looked like a huge eye, it looked like a living creature. I feel that that's the direction they should have gone with with Star Trek designs.

>>15408268
That's correct, and why it's called a refit. The ship Kirk and company got at the end of the Journey Home was originally the USS Hood, but it was renamed the Enterprise since the Federation wanted Kirk out of their hair right then and not milling about while a new ship was built.

They did the same thing in Deep Space 9 when the Defiant got destroyed, afterwards, they were given the São Paulo, but had it renamed as the Defiant.

>>15408348
I agree, i like this the most as well.

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>>15408186
Excellent taste

>>15408348
I refuse to believe Roddenberry would have allowed the Enterprise B to be an Excelsior Class. Scotty had too many negative opinions of them, and he'd definitely have a say, retired or not.

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Later designs are good too, but for me it's the original. So sleek and clean.

>>15408749
>was originally the USS Hood,
Yorktown.

>>15408816
I think scotty's disapproval was more about the transwarp drive rather than the ship as a whole.

>>15408265
My man, you have good taste.

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I asked my dad, he says original and E and he's been watching this stuff since it first aired so I think his opinion is correct

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>>15409077
I was going to disagree but digits

>>15408816
Roddenberry probably wouldnt be too concerned about it at that point, and after TMP, his design making power for the franchise was diminished greatly. 3 or 4 of the TOS movies after TMP, he kept pitching the idea of Kirk and Spock going back in time to stop Klingons from stopping the assassination of JFK. Paramount was pushing him to the side during the popularity of the movies, till they stuck him on TNG, which was a behind-the scenes nightmare the first few seasons. Patrick Stewart almost didnt get the role of Picard because Roddenberry hated that he was bald.

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Refit.

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>>15408163
I'm throwing my hat in for the Enterprise-C, as I usually do. But I admit the original refit/Enterprise-A is just iconic, and the B is just classy.

>>15408705
Agreed. Maybe I'm just biased, but there's not a lot of places you can go with designs like the late 24th Century starships.. They're just so overly sleek it's hard to imagine them evolving into anything but submarines with warp nacelles.

Which is funny, because I also agree with the idea of Starfleet moving in a more organic direction. The designs just need to be less busy.

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>>15410152
I was always a little disappointed with how similar the C was to the D. I think its design could have bridged the gap between B and D more. But outside of that, I do like the design. The proportions are especially nice.

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>>15408348
Damn the B is sexy. Its probly just nostolgia goggles, but the pancake is still my fav

>>15408163
>not the Kelvinverse-A
booooooooooooooo

any iteration of the refit Connie is golden.

>>15410237
Something about the neck and the nacelle struts has always bothered me about the Ambassador-class. I'm not sure what exactly.

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>>15410237
IIRC, the production schedule for the filming model was fairly rushed, so it's a miracle it wasn't just a kitbash like the Stargazer. Still, it's a shame the original concept couldn't be brought to life in loving detail. I think it's the "missing link" you're talking about.

>>15410419
>Kelvinverse-A
There's a difference?

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>>15410479
Kelvinverse-A is the new Enterprise but with potentially 78% more hood-ornament style. I hope it turns out like this.

>>15410479
Not the other anon, but yeah that looks like a better development link between the Excelsior and the Galaxy class honestly.

>>15410479
>I think it's the "missing link" you're talking about.
Yeah, that's much more like what I would expect. The lower portion in particular looks like a proper intermediary design between the B and D.

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>>15410526

I like how it addresses all of the original Enterprise's design flaws, particularly the flimsy-looking nacelle pylons holding up laughably gigantic nacelles. Granted the final version is a little different and exposes the shuttlebay area a little more, but overall it's still a more "solid" design than the original.

I have a feeling that in-universe, the crew had some "suggestions" for the A's design team.

>>15408186
Shit shoehorned garbage. The fucking Unicorn of Star Trek. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>15411667
Anymore autistic wailing you need to do?

Can we have a nice thread now?

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This is my ship

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WHO DAEDALUS HERE

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>>15411926

I like the spin the Pacific 201 people did for it.

I'm actually kind of worried about P201. It looked really ambitious and the crew seemed like they were pouring their hearts and souls into it. Then the Axanar fiasco happened and CBS/Paramount clamped down so hard on fan work that it's almost impossible to make anything good. They're still going ahead with it and finishing it, but I know it won't be anywhere near as good as it could have been.

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>>15411946
CBS isn't allowing fan films anymore?

That's fucking bullshit. What happened?

>>15411883
JUST a little bit more, the ironing is strong that you posted the Akira that would become the NX by simple inversion.

>>15411973
CBS and Paramount imposed super restrictive 'guidelines' that make it extremely difficult to make quality fan films. While they aren't legally binding, the message they're sending is "If you don't follow these, we'll sue you". Unfortunately, the guidelines are so restrictive almost all the major fan films break the rules, and a lot of productions have either shut down or come up with creative solutions to get around it (i.e. Renegades, which has been scrubbed clean of all Star Trek references and is now an original sci-fi series)

>>15411973

They allow them, but under a huge, highly restrictive list of regulations.

http://www.startrek.com/fan-films

Basically, Prelude to Axanar raised a ludicrous amount of Kickstarter money and it was discovered that a lot of it was going straight into the producer's pockets and being used to fund the establishment of an unrelated studio. CBS sued and they created the guidelines to basically lock it all down, especially with Discovery coming eventually.

>>15408163
Also does this thread mean Star Trek is /m/? I've been wondering what board it belongs in.

>>15412015

It belongs in /tv/, really, but who the fuck would actually want to go there?

We've had plenty of Trek threads in the past no problem.

>>15412015
/m/ has been the science fiction board, but with a strong emphasis on mecha, for a couple of years now.

>>15411981
>Prelude to Axanar raised a ludicrous amount of Kickstarter money and it was discovered that a lot of it was going straight into the producer's pockets
Crowdfunding is cancer.

>>15412060
>It belongs in /tv/, really, but who the fuck would actually want to go there?

BEAM SHOTS FIRED

>>15411981
>it was discovered that a lot of it was going straight into the producer's pockets
That wasn't the worst of it though; they were using the money to fund other personal projects intended to actually make money (like starting their own studio that they were renting out to other productions). Thus Axanar became a profit-making endeavour and CBS were forced to step up and do shit about it, at which point Axanar preceeded to try and throw every other fan production under the bus.

>>15412015
Mecha doesn't just mean robits. Starships, advanced existing tech, fancy tanks (though you'd be better off in /k/ if you want to talk about real ones), anything mechanical qualifies even if low-tech stuff likely won't get any traction. We had a thread about hinges once.

>>15412093
You're putting too much of the blame on Axanar. Yes, there was wrongdoing there, but CBS were the ones who imposed the restrictions on ALL fan films. They should have just sued Axanar and left the others alone.

>>15412102
>CBS were the ones who imposed the restrictions on ALL fan films.
Because Axanar were using other fan productions as evidence as to why they should've been allowed to continue. The lawsuit was only targeted against Axanar, not fan productions in general. If they hadn't tried the "they're doing it, so why can't we?" defence, nobody else would've been dragged in and there would've been no need for all-encompassing guidelines.

>>15412180
>CBS could have countered, saying that while those other productions existed, they did not abuse their funds as Axanar did.

>>15412088

/tv/ wouldn't care anyway. There aren't enough underage girls and feet for them to fap to in Trek.

I've only seen voyager. I really liked that one starship that could split into multiple ships

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>>15412331
The Prometheus?

>>15412416
Yeah that thing. It turns into three ships right? It was fucking cool

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>>15412427
Yup.

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How's STO nowadays? I stopped playing years ago, not long after the Odyssey was introduced.

>>15413315
the space battles are fun but if you aren't a huge Trek nerd and hate grinding you might get bored. They are still slowly adding stuff but you but once you hit max level there's not much to do without spending a some money to get a good ship and waiting for Dilithium sucks ass unless you like making alts. And you suck for beating me to posting the Enterprise F I just really like its profile and the neck design is cool.

I actually like Enterprise J

>>15413315
It was fun until I hit max level, then the story quality really falls down. It is so bad I rather watch crossdressing quark again. Also, the lack of any special story missions or arcs for each race really turned me off. You don't feel like any of the alien races at all.

>>15408163
The USS Kelvin

>>15411946
Hello Dave.

>>15410366
>>15410366
If only was Discovery looking like this.

>>15413806
The Delta arc and the Iconian War were okay, but some of the newer missions have dropped in quality writing-wise. Graphics-wise, though, they've been getting better.

>>15409213
>Patrick Stewart almost didnt get the role of Picard because Roddenberry hated that he was bald.

That was someone else. Roddenberry actually pushed for Stewart while claiming that it wasn't an issue because in the 24th century nobody would care about having hair or not.

>>15411976
I did that on purpose.

That said I'll let loose a reee with you about the meddling that made the NX just a tiny upside down Akira.

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>>15413482
>the neck design is cool.
I've never liked that hole and the way the deflector protrudes forward. I don't mind it in the case of the Oberth, but the Ent-F looks weird.

>>15415665
Somehow that design just works. Looks like a cute little medical ship.

>>15415783
My only problem with that ship is that getting between the two main hulls seems like a pain in the ass. Either the ship's much bigger than it's supposed to be and you've got turbolifts taking a very circuitous route, or they transport constantly.

I still like it, that just bugs me a little.

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>>15415795
It's a little weird, but I guess it doesn't take too long because the ship is fairly small.

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>>15414344

I get the idea behind the Discovery's design.

It's just the execution that's lacking. The copper hull is weird and it looks awful from most angles.

>>15415861
These designs are p good. Too many Federation ships look like sprawling bulks. Nothing cozy to them at all.
Probably one reason I like Klingon birds of prey (not the fucking attack cruisers). There's probably no wasted space on there.

>>15408163

My favorite will always be A, followed by E and B.

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>>15416129

It would be so easy to fix, too.

>>15415861
This drawing suggests that the turbolifts roll over sideways to go through the struts, which is possible in a civilization that has artificial gravity, but still seems
pretty weird. Of course, when you consider any Federation ship, it's entirely possible that it wasn't designed by humans.

>>15417688
The turning action on the turbolift is extremely silly.

>>15417977
Maybe some admiral's kid designed the Oberth and they just had to try to make it work.

>>15417977
I'm just imagining the gravity malfunctioning and some poor dude getting rolled around in the lift and shot out when the doors open

>>15418346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_1ei8Pqx58

tasha yar was raped by romulans

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Favorite Enterprise? Kelvin Timeline.
Favorite non Enterprise? Akira class.

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>>15415795
Yeah, that's everyone's problem with the Oberth. Some fans rationalize it as the ship being just the upper half, and the lower section being a detachable module that can be swapped out based on mission requeriments.

I don't care. Little ships like the Obert and the Nova are the cutest.

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>>15418514
>spend years escaping rape gangs on your homeworld
>finally join star fleet and get placed on the flagship
>your captain can't even say your name correctly
>early in, get murdered by angry goo
>alternate timeline you gets captured by romulans
>get raped anyway
Tasha had a hard life

>>15416129
That thing looks like it was built by Cardassians, in Klingon yards, just to troll the Federation.

Would /m/ be willing to board a ship together, and travel around in space to explore new worlds and maybe dimensions? Be like Starfleet, plus giant robots?

>>15419430
I just wanted to hug her and tell her everything would be alright.

>>15410526
That is, objectively, the ugliest starship I have ever seen, and I'm including the Norway when I say that.

It's a shame because I actually liked the original JJ-prize. I really hope they drop this if a fourth film is made.

>>15415861
The thing about the Oberth that bugged me is how did the people get from the top deck down to the secondary hull? Transporter?

>>15420491
Yes, but I would quickly try to gain control of the organization and shitposters would be burned at the stake.

>>15420540
Outside of daily P.T and ship maintenance, would spend most of my time in the ship and mecha simulators. I want to be a pilot.

I take it you want to be a Admiral.

>>15420537
The image clearly depicts the turbolift path and their weird turning dealie.

>>15420491

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_Fleet_Dairugger_XV

>>15420601
Truth be told, I'd be happy as a low level officer so I could enjoy some vacation time and holosuits.

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>>15415861
Anyone else love looking at these Trek schematics?

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>>15420830
I really like these layouts

>>15415795
>My only problem with that ship is that getting between the two main hulls seems like a pain in the ass.

Its a Star Trek design cheat.

Other Trek cheats:
No main deflector on the Reliant

No warp nacelles on the Klingon Bird of Prey.

>>15408705
You gotta look at it from an out-of-universe perspective and the evolution of special effects as well as real-life science, especially the construction of airplanes and space ships.

The original Enterprise was designed taking in mind the crappy shoestring budget of the original TV show as well as the fact it would be shown on a tv screen with a resolution significantly smaller than what we have today. That's why it is a simpler, sleeker ship or at least sleeker in it's texturing. That and people in the '60 imagined their ship as rather sleek, too, still feeling the influence of the '50 'rocket ship'.

As budget grew as well as technology advanced, the original TV TOS look was phased out for the much more detailed, much more fancy look of the movie and eventually TNG. Except even TNG ran into that wall of their set and models not looking good in higher resolution which is why the Enterprise-D got trashed and replaced by the newly-designed Sovereign-Class Enterprise E. Because the Sovereign's 'greebles' make it look less flat. That and as the '90 ended we started to imagine our spaceships as more detailed, because detailed=high tech to more modern audiences.

>>15421223
The Birds of Prey are supposed to have their warp coils in the two humps along the back.

Don't know what's up with the Mirandas. Maybe they're using a similar tech as all those aliens without visible deflectors, and the Federation decided not to pursue that method any further.

>>15421223
>>15421270
actually Bird of preys had impluse+warp engines. wasnt too much of a cheat. as full impulse was like half warp 1. making them suited for smaller ships but prone to problems.

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>>15421005

>>15421005
>>15422104
I like to imagine that there are force field airbags on all the rails and computer systems, so that you don't get knocked out during battle with a concussion.

>>15419430
That is what happens when you jump ship.

>>15422235
Ironically, those force fields are probably the #1 cause of whiplash on Starships.

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By the way, if any of you have a chance to go to the Smithsonian Air and Space, you can come pay your respects to the original model.

Has anybody else been to the Star Trek Museum in Ticonderoga? I found it quite enjoyable and they have many props from the original show. I think it would be more popular if it was bigger and had rooms from other shows.

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>first ship capable of warp 4
>NX-326

So Beyond both acknowledges and outright shits on Enterprise.

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>>15421263
>as well as the fact it would be shown on a tv screen with a resolution significantly smaller than what we have today. That's why it is a simpler, sleeker ship or at least sleeker in it's texturing
that's what I like about the PhaseII-Prise, it's get the general layout of TMP-Prise but it's got the smoother textures

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>>15425301
https://youtu.be/CA8D5lK8guE

Humble Bundle has a bunch of spess games on same right now, are any of them any good?

https://www.humblebundle.com/intergalactic-bundle

>>15408186
NOOOOO
I hated it when they got rid of plasma guns and atomic torpedoes for phase cannons and photons.

>>15410526
Doesn't the Kelvinverse-A show up in Into Darkness and it's exactly the same as the original?

>>15410671
>>15410579
>>15410479
>>15410237
The model they made reminds me a lot of the Olympic-class, and I like that rounded look more than the swoopy one.

>>15412182
That's not how US law works. It explicitly prohibits companies from carving out exceptions and requires you enforce your IP protections the same against everyone, no matter how minor.

>>15412635
That was stupid. Instead of having one starship with firepower appropriate to it's size, they built a ship with tiny phaser banks, smaller photon banks, and three separate warp cores that triple the risk of warp core breaches.

>>15420491
Wouldn't that end up like that one anime where the high school kids end up being stranded away from home in a warship and fight and rape their way back?

>>15421270
Mirandas in the JJVerse have deflector dishes.

>>15425370
What are you talking about? NX designations aren't in numerical order; that's why the Enterprise is NX-01. NX-326 probably means 3rd Generation, 26th starship.

Seriously though, that design doesn't look like it was built on Earth at all. The weird designs on the top make it really alien, like something built by Vulcans or Andorians.

>>15425506
Thats the reason it was never adopted was easier just to build 3 small ships and use them in it's place or build a single larger ship.

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>>15425518

>>15425511
that was almost a DS9 episode too

but yeah "/m/ Runs A Spaceship" would be a hilarious disaster

>>15425382
>that image
I think I just found a new favorite starship

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>>15425717
looking for remnants of Phase II is a remarkably fun way to expand your Trekness after exhausting the traditional resources

>>15425559
Right but I'm thinking of a very specific 90s sci-fi anime. Maybe it was called Infinite Ryvius or something?

>>15425541
That's not from any of the movies.

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>>15425526
Now that I think about it, the Franklin looks almost like a Starfleet knockoff of the Romulan Bird of Prey that they built during the Romulan War. Or specifically, something the Vulcans built for Starfleet to match the performance of Romulan ships while desperately trying to keep secret the fact that Romulans are renegade Vulcans.

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>>15425793
Yes, you're thinking of Infinite Ryvius.

>>15416129
The saucer depression makes no sense to me. It looks like a hubcap.

>>15419430
Sometimes I wonder if they could have expanded on Tasha's character in some meaningful way, had Denise Crosby chosen to stick it out. Could she have been a memorable character, or is her only lasting impact as "the one who died"?

>>15425906
Her actress was pretty bad imo. Maybe she would have gotten better over time.

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>>15425942
really was anybody good in TNG season 1?

>>15413315
More stuff is being added constantly, current thing is the addition of a new "Heavy weapon" for T6 escorts with certain pre-requisites, like 7 weapons in total and commander tac officer seat.
Shit is getting rebalanced with plasmonic leech being nerfed, torpedoes won this round of nerfs.
Latest episode has us walk around a planet looking for temporally displaced people, we end up finding logs left behind bu Selas mom.

>>15425952
Spiner was good in Datalore. Wesley was good when he got harpooned through the spine.

these ships are so ugly

>>15425952
Basically everyone but Tasha, Troi and Crusher were good. Those three never got good.

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>>15425526
>Seriously though, that design doesn't look like it was built on Earth at all. The weird designs on the top make it really alien, like something built by Vulcans or Andorians.
Yeah. All the ribbing and the horseshoe shape remind me of the Son'a ships.

>>15425484
>I hated it when they got rid of plasma guns and atomic torpedoes for phase cannons and photons.
You're going to watch your prequel with 24th century aesthetics and you're going to like it!

>>15427084
Troi was good in "Face of the Enemy".

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>>15425493

No. The Enterprise is heavily damaged and extensively repaired with new impulse engines and nacelles at the end of ID.

It's completely destroyed in the first act of Beyond. They don't build and launch the A until the end of that movie.

>>15427084
>Tasha was never good

I want Ferengi to leave!

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>>15425526

I like the Franklin, but you're right. It's a strange design that doesn't really fit anywhere in any Federation design period.

It doesn't look "old" so much as "built by someone else."

>>15427222
Yeah the only thing that looks like the UEG made it is the nacelles.

>>15427090
That was one of the things that really annoyed me with ENT, Well besides the Archer and Phlox genocide a civilization episode.

The series was spun as being 'Before the Federation' and different from anything you'd seen in TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and all the did was constantly drag out stuff from the older shows. Christ we had a fucking holodeck episode in a series that was before TOS and other stupid crap.

>>15427368
I'm ok with there being a holodeck so early in the timeline, considering that it wasn't on a Federation ship. The only thing that bugs me about it is that that's one less episode where we could've had something better fitting the setting.

>>15427500
They could have had a cloaking device instead of the holodeck but no even the Klingons wanted the holodeck.

>>15414712
The Dyson Sphere storyline was pretty boring. Iconian storyline was fun. I liked that there's a new 23rd Century character origin.

>>15427368
>Christ we had a fucking holodeck episode in a series that was before TOS and other stupid crap.
At least it was just one episode. Remember when they said very clearly in the pilot the transporter was fit only for inanimate matter and then they used it to rescue Archer. While he was running. And it kept working flawlessly. The only time I remember it hurting someone was during an episode when they tried to beam a redshirt up from some planet caught in a weird storm, and the only damage was some leaves glued to his skin.

And that was still acceptable. The most horrible thing in ENT were the decon chamber scenes.

>>15427611
You mean the wannabe softcore porn crap with them rubbing lotion on each other? Bleh i'd honestly forgotten about that until you brought it up.

>>15427611
>fit only for inanimate matter
They said it was approved for living beings, Inanimate matter was all they actually trusted it for.

>>15427611
To be fair, they did say in the first episode that they were moving on to using it to transport people soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CWW8HX-vNU

Turns out it's on youtube and it was people approved.

>>15427643
>>15427646
>>15427651
I stand corrected. It's been years since I watched the show.

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I always kind of liked the D's "space hotel/cruise ship" aesthetic. If I remember right there were even potted plants and those chairs-and-small-table arrangements in some of the corridors.

>>15427121
Maybe the Enterprise will actually survive the next movie intact.

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>nerd officer spends ship resources to roleplay out isekai fantasies
This is literally me in Star Trek

>>15428846

Seriously. I think the original Kelvin timeline Enterprise has one of the worst on-screen service records of any ship to bear the name (bar maybe the Ent-C). Granted you can probably chalk that up to us not seeing what they were doing between movies, but it gets pretty beat up in the first movie, badly wrecked in the second, and absolutely totaled in the third.

>>15428921
Watching that shit for parts get blasted constantly is one of the JJ movies strengths.

>>15428936

It's disrespectful. The Enterprise is supposed to be a character in itself but nobody working on the new movies is interested in anything but wrecking it so they can run around on foot out gunned.

>>15429259
Well, the Enterprise in this Universe is doing alot of exploration, and comes in as usually the lesser firepower than its enemies.

09' had it face off against a late 23rd century ship

ID had it face off against a dreadnought that's meant for war.

and Beyond had it face off against a Superweapon.

>>15429376
>09' had it face off against a late 23rd century ship
24th, and fancied up with Borg tech (though it started as a mining ship)..

>and Beyond had it face off against a Superweapon.
The superweapon was just the blob. The swarm was also composed of mining ships.

Did ID have any mining in it? I feel like it should have.

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http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/news/a825885/star-trek-michael-dorn-turned-down-discovery/

RIP

>>15430432
>dorn turned down work
holy shit how terrible is this crap going to be

>>15430432
I get that the TV series won't have same budget as a movie like Nemesis, but less than 1% of his last paycheck? Really? *If* Dorn made $1M from Nemesis, then proportionally that means they offered him less than $10000 for what probably would have been a recurring but not prominent/main role on Discovery. That sounds insulting to Dorn and implies that Discovery's budget is tiny.

>>15430452
>1% of his last paycheck
>>15430447
I guess "work" is a bit of a stretch since work means pay

>>15430447
>>15430452
>>15430458
I bet they were going to try and give him a two-bit role just to appease people for a little bit.

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>>15429259

The IDW comics do a better job of feeling like Star Trek than the movies.

Granted in the old run, some of the stories were 1:1 adapted from original episodes, but still. Boldly Go feels like the slightly edgier modern Star Trek that the Kelvin movies claim to be even if it does pull the Borg out as major antagonists.

>>15430506
Yeah, pulling out the Borg was pretty 'Meh', but, I honestly expected it. At least that arc was over pretty quickly.

>>15431092

It's had lasting effects on the story moving forward though. At least they don't seem to be lingering on the Borg themselves.

>>15425511
>>15425559
You mean 'Valiant' where Nog bends over to a bunch of cadets dispite being an actual Starfleet officer. Then helps them suicide into a Dominion battleship 20 times the Valiants size.

I remember some asspie on youtube missed the point of the episode and edited it into captain ahab jr winning and being given a medal or some shit it was super bad.

>>15429472
not >>15429259 but ID had the Vengance, which is starfleet actually building a dreadnaught soley for fighting. It also had an advanced warp drive for intercepting ships already at warp.

Though I did not agree with the design and uncountable greebles, I enjoyed watching it BTFO the Enterprise. It really showed how far some in starfleet would go to defend their utopia, and that not everyone in the federation is a xeno loving hippie.

>>15412180
Star Trek Continues recently got a new 50 minute episode. How are they getting away with it?

>>15432981
I watched that for the first time and I was pretty impressed by the quality. However, I wish the Kirk stand-in's voice was a little stronger sounding.

>>15427368
I liked the sexual tension between T'Pol and Archer. That was new.

>>15427611
I didn't have a problem with decon. It made sense, since the transporters having biofilters was such a big plot point in TNG.

>>15427222
>>15425526
>>15425799
Remember how frustrated Archer and Forrest were about how the Vulcans were always interfering with Starfleet and "guiding" their development? Maybe the Franklin was one example of that, with the Vulcans building most of the ship because the humans weren't "ready" to do their own construction yet.

>>15427121
>>15428921
I would like to add that seeing all the shiny chrome and lens flare is also really appealing in the JJ movies. The way Beyond took out all the lens flare (I literally counted only 4 instances of it) was really jarring, especially with the Starfleet scenes. The Enterprise's bridge and the Yorktown space station scenes were just so modern and boring compared to how they looked in Into Darkness and Trek 09.

And I did mean Beyond, sorry. It didn't look any different to me.

>>15434839
There being a decontamination chamber of some kind is fine, good even. It being a thinly veiled pretense for half-naked people oiling each other up is less good.

>>15434852
>I would like to add that seeing all the shiny chrome and lens flare is also really appealing in the JJ movies.

Good one, anon. You got a good laugh out of me.

... That was a joke, right?

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>>15408163
Get fucked Feddie scum!

>>15432981
From what I've heard it's because the episodes were already well into production before the guidelines came out and CBS/Paramount are fine with them finishing what they started. The series will still end up cut a few episodes shorter than it was supposed to run though.

>>15434825
>I wish the Kirk stand-in's voice was a little stronger sounding.
And now I'm picturing Captain Broly.
I completely agree though. His character in Star Trek Online was pretty good too.

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What's your favorite alien race in Star Trek?
For me, it's definitely the Klingons. They have such a well developed culture and every time a Klingon episode pops up, I know it's going to be good.

Original 1701 forever. The other Enterprises are nice but they don't have the same feel or aesthetics that make me love the original.

>>15439292
Vulcans. By and large because of Spock and Sare though I have a soft spot for Sarek.

>>15439350
I'm retarded and cannot type Suraks name correctly.

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I feel like I'm an exception being a fan of the NX class. Yeah, fine, externally it's more or less the Akra flipped, but the interiors have a distinct sort of "modern Navy" feel to them with exposed piping, tight corridors, sparsely furnished quarters, and a general "function over form" feeling to everything. It's very different from the more high tech and fancy looks of later ships.

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>>15439292
>>15439350
Well, I guess it falls to me to pick out the Romulans. They gave off a great impression of potentially noble individuals in a rotten whole, but they also had some genuinely nasty characters. I'm also a sucker for the silent camaraderie of enemy submarine commanders, and The Defector is one of my favorite episodes of all Trek.

They really deserved more than to be exploded by a magical supernova for the sake of LOLPLOT.

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>>15439373
I like it, but I wish they had made the exterior looks more low-tech. It just seems too much like it came after TOS. I do like the detail of the saucer having protrusions to reinforce the nacelles because it's supposed to be an older model.

>>15439389
The exterior doesn't look low tech enough? It's just metal armor panels rather than the smooth and clean Federation gray of later ships.

>I do like the detail of the saucer having protrusions to reinforce the nacelles because it's supposed to be an older model.
Those struts have always been there, that's how the nacelles attached to the ship in the first place, it's not reinforcement. The little parts going from the rear of the new engineering hull to the nacelles are new.

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>>15439406
>The exterior doesn't look low tech enough?
It doesn't. It looks very similar to the exteriors of all of the others 90s era Trek ships.

>Those struts have always been there
Point to the protrusions coming from the saucer to hold up the nacelles in this image. I think this is a case of you misreading my post.

>>15439413
>It doesn't. It looks very similar to the exteriors of all of the others 90s era Trek ships.
Are you talking about the surface aesthetic or the ship's configuration?

>Point to the protrusions coming from the saucer to hold up the nacelles in this image.
The Constitution never had them because the nacelles were always connected to the engineering hull. That's not the case for the NX refit you posted an image of, the nacelles were always connected to a strut leading from the saucer's rear.

>>15439292
Andorians are fun, but I feel like that mostly boils down to me enjoying Jeffrey Combs.

Tholians are neat for actually seeming to be fairly alien, rather than an allegory for part of humanity with a bumpy forehead.

>>15439427
>Are you talking about the surface aesthetic
Surface aesthetics.

>The Constitution never had them because the nacelles were always connected to the engineering hull
Uh-huh.

>That's not the case for the NX refit you posted an image of
Because the nacelles are also supported by protrusions from the saucer, like I've stated twice.

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Defend this

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Excelsior

>>15439389
>but I wish they had made the exterior looks more low-tech.

Remember, it's not low-tech. It's a marvel of technology. It's a starship that can go Warp 5, not a dugout canoe. Thinking of it as ever being low-tech just because you know what a 24th Century starship looks like is like thinking that an Iowa-class battleship is low-tech because you know what a Zumwalt-class destroyer is. Perhaps from a perspective of 200 years later it is, but it shouldn't seem crude or dumpy to the people who used it. If a system is unreliable it's because it's on the bleeding edge, not because it's an antique.

>>15441231
It's low-tech in relative terms aka compared to every other Star Trek series. It looks far more advanced that the original NCC-1701. The design was just too sophisticated for something that is supposed to predate the NCC-1701 by 100 years. The refit NX is a better contender than the original NX, admittedly.

>>15440983
>Defend this
Tweaking existing models is cheap.

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>>15439292
I think I'm going to reach a bit and say the aliens from Tarchannen III. Maybe a bit of nostalgia involved, since theirs is one of the first episodes I can remember seeing, but they did left a big impression.

>>15439384
It really is a shame. Writers were just starting to get over only using Romulans when they needed a frustrating obstacle. Now, like the majority of the Prime timeline we'll never get to see how they might have developed.

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>>15440983
If you actually look close the details are not the same at all. The creation of NX is well documented, ultimately it's inspiration not homogenization.

>>15443619
Ultimately one jackass just called the designers, and demanded for NX class to look like upside-down Akira.
And don't even make me start on the goddamn Klingon battlecruiser appearing hundred years before its time.

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>>15443675
Who cares? we barely saw the CGI battlecruiser before hand.

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>>15443701
>John Eaves had designed a new Klingon ship specifically for this scene. 'It was kind of the same shape as the original Klingon battle cruiser; just a little more primitive. The way John had done it was very much like the original series one, so it had very few windows, and they were small and red. So, when I dropped the ship into the scenes that we had worked out, you couldn't see that it had windows. At the time, it never dawned on me that this would be an issue, but I understand why it is, because in STAR TREK if there are windows they are obvious.' The producers saw the model only a few working hours before the show was due to be delivered. They decided it could only be used with major changes, but after their work on Broken Bow the team was simply too exhausted to work through the night in a desperate attempt to get the shots ready. Instead, the producers made the decision to use an old model. 'We wound up going back to a version of the Klingon ship that had been built for DEEP SPACE NINE

I do.

>>15425511
N-name?

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Enterprise A takes it for me.

I prefer the Stargazer though

I just dropped money into STO purely so I can fly the constellation class

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>>15440983

I think the one thing that really bugs me about the designs in the Kelvin timeline is how ridiculously massive it all is. The Enterprise is bigger both length and mass-wise than the Ent-E, the Narada is miles long, Yorktown station is the size of a moon, it's crazy.

>>15444205
At least in the case of the ships, that's actually less an issue of the actual size of the ships and more an issue of them just pulling numbers out of their asses when they have to decide how long a ship should be. The "canon" size of the remake enterprise being larger than the enterprise D is absurd, but if you look at the features of the ship, like the bridge and shuttlebays and windows, etc, it's clearly about the same size as the Enterprise A. I think they probably just decided it was that big to justify the ridiculously oversized interior sets, which don't match up with the exterior very well.

the big was obviously because JJ wanted that scene with the shuttlecraft and nobody could talk him down to make it fit the rest of the movie

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>>15444717
Forgot pic

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>>15444717

I think you can buy the JJprise being only slightly bigger than the Prime counterpart just looking at corridors and the bridge.

It's when you look at that huge open shaft in the middle of the saucer and the ridiculously massive engineering and shuttlebay sections that it starts to get wonky.

>>15408705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrNpO5QLauk

>>15445072

I still love that Jerry Goldsmith's score for TMP was so damn good and memorable that they reused the main theme for TNG and it became more associated with the D/E crew than with the post-series original crew.

>>15434842
Considering Starfleet during ENT couldnt even build a lift that didnt slice peoples fingers off if they used the hand rails?

Yeah im not seeing Vulcan interferance as being all that bad.

>>15435737
>Not appreciating a movie that's shiny and chrome
Movies are a visual medium.

>>15439373
I liked it quite a bit, I never saw it as just a flipped Akira. They should've had a small engineering hull though, like between the nacelles or something.

>>15443834
>>15425793
>>15425809

>>15445474
>Movies are a visual medium.
And those visuals are an affront to the medium.

>>15408163

The one that lets me climb that mountain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ

J

>>15420830
I got the Enterprise D technical interactive manual on CD, it had schematics, lots of descriptions for the tech etc. was pretty cool.

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>>15446187

>>15446340
he might have a pizza that needs cutting

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>>15445474
Hey now. I like chrome just fine. I just appreciate a little restraint in some instances.

>>15440983
Apparently the execs saw the akira and liked it and wanted it to be the hero ship. They did waht they could to change it around.

>>15439292
Ferengi, I really like how they developed from being a joke to a real race.

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>>15439292
Can the Dominion count as one race? I thought they were Trek's best villains by far.

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>>15448759
The Jem'Hadar had some good episodes. It would have been nice to see more of them break free from Dominion control, but either way they were good villains.

>>15448810

that fucking .gif still makes me laugh to this day.

>>15448810
>they're shitposting about the cartoon I like .gif

>>15448759
I feel that they fleshed out villains in Trek and I liked a lot of the directions they took the various races in the Dominion.

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>>15449008
It's pure kino. Seriously though, it's well shot.

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I can't help but feel a little worried about Discovery. I don't know, I just get this kind of bad feeling about it, like it won't be the Star Trek people have been wanting since Enterprise.

>>15449562
You're not alone. I'm very worried about Discovery. I know it usually takes a few seasons for the series to really find its footing, but I have a feeling this whole thing is going to be a complete trainwreck.

>>15449565

Now that I think about it, they've been really hush-hush about the series. The constant delays are pretty worrying as well. It was supposed to be out in January, but was then pushed back to May, and now they're saying late summer/early fall at the earliest.

>>15410373
Indeed. Galaxy > All others.

>>15449562
>I can't help but feel a little worried about Discovery
only a little?
lol you're trusting

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>>15449562
I have a feeling they're gonna be really preachy about stuff. Which, okay, that's good, it's good that Star Trek might be going back into talking about issues instead of being just another sci-fi action-adventure series, that's what makes TOS, TNG, and DS9 great while Voyage and Enterprise are just okay, exploration and commentary on societal issues and philosophies.

But the thing with Star Trek is that it depicts a world where all of these issues are no longer issues, whatever problem you want to bring up, it shouldn't be something afflicting humanity, it needs to be something an alien race is dealing with. So having a female actress play the main character whose name is Michael is giving me a bad feeling that they're gonna be extremely heavy-handed in their morals-of-the-week.

So if they want to bring up current day stuff like transgenderism, police/authority bias against minorities, the refugee crisis, great, talk about those things as Gene would want to do if he were alive today, but don't make these things be problems for the human characters of the show. That defeats the whole point of Trek.

>>15449748
trannying your gender or species is a mild inconvenience at best according to DS9

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>>15449754
Right? I always imagined that any of the human characters in Trek, like Riker or Uhura, could have been born as the opposite sex, and they look as they do now because the technology is that good, and they could lead perfectly normal lives because no one would have any issues with what they once were.

The best way to display this would be with, say a male actor, acting and looking masculine, and having a throwaway line about how they were born a girl, not have a woman playing that character and very obviously looking like a woman.

>>15449767
they stunt cast Brianna Wu as a hideous creature throwing moon rocks at the crew like those cavemen that time Spock got a bunch of people killed

>>15449565
>it usually takes a few seasons for the series to really find its footing
I'm quite sick of Trek where this is the case. TOS didn't take a few seasons: right out of the gate the episodes were pretty good. They did it by just using a flimsy, not-really-continuous setting as a way to tell science fiction stories, assuming those stories had a place for a ship full of explorers.

I want that back. I don't care about exploring the background of a gimmick race that showed up once in a TNG episode. I don't care about tying up all the loose threads of TOS into a consistent story for the galaxy. I don't particularly care whether the cast has deep, well-explored backstories or not. I don't really care if their relationships grow over the course of the series. I'd rather not have any arcs or foreshadowing between episodes.

I just want some science fiction stories. Focus on giving me a new idea every week, and I won't mind if the cast is nameless stereotypes and the aliens are spray-painted styrofoam. I'd rather have "Spock's Brain" than "The Gift" (well, the idea in that was moderately interesting, but TNG had already done it better).

>>15449775
Well IMO both TNG and DS9 were good from the get-go, but a lot of people don't enjoy the earlier seasons. I think the first season of TNG was too comedic for most people. They made fun of Data so much.

>>15449562
I'm terrified, don't they know Harry Mudd is fanfic bait?

>>15419430
>>your captain can't even say your name correctly
He's the only one who did say it correctly.
>Tasha had a hard life
But not a long one!

>>15449831
I think a lot of the early TNG episodes, like Big Goodbye, are sort of overlooked these days because they've been copied so many times that the novelty is lost. They were copied because they were pretty cool, however.

Ditto for DS9, although I'm in the pretty small minority that didn't like the war arc and preferred B5-esque daily station life.

It is true, though, that a lot of my favorite episodes tend to appear late in the series, but could very well have appeared earlier. For example, Tapestry could have been put in anytime: the only prior knowledge needed was that Q existed.

>>15449767
Forcing in this crap in just for the sake of it and not actual useful reason is who George was so against making JJ Sulu gay.

Stuffing things in just to go 'DURRR LOOK A GAY/TRANS/ATTACK HELICPOTER PERSON WERE SO CUTTING EDGE' is the same kind of thinking that let the new Ghostbusters movie.

>>15450930
Yeah, those types of people honestly miss the entire point of Star Trek.

>>15450940
They miss the point of damn near everything that isn't hugbox approved.

>>15450930
>>15450947
If they had been in charge of TNG, there would have been several episodes were Picard has to deal with prejudice about his baldness and being bald becomes a fashion statement on the Enterprise.

>>15450954
Don't forget Picard the straight white male coming out as a genderfluid nonbinary rainbow featherd porpoise in response to all his fellow timblerinas support.

>>15449562

>a little worried

I wish I was still that optimistic and naive.

>>15449748
Of course they're going to fuck it up and be heavy handed!

It is utterly impossible for writers today to not be utterly obnoxious about their political agenda. Now before some of you start going REEE at my post, hear me out: of course Star Trek has always been exclusively and absolutely oozing in what is nowadays consider 'liberal' or so-called 'progressive' talking points. It would be wrong of me to deny this. The issue here is twofold:

A) Modern writers can't write shit worth a damn. They are more obsessed with their 'message' or supposed 'meaning' than making a good plot or writing a good character. We're way past story-with-a-secondary-meaning, they're outright into the realm of agenda and outright propaganda pushing.

B) It's utterly impossible today for writers to not dismiss anyone who disagree with them as literal nazi. There is no room for nuance or self reflection: either you're a peaceful, open-minded progressive or you're the scum of the earth. How could people who think like this even try to write some moral dilemma? Or have antagonist with any kind of depth or 'humanity' (airquoted because we're talking aliens just as much) if the writers just declare they are evil and without any redeeming quality?

Star Trek had plenty of character and alien races which went against the ideals of the Federation and Rodenberry's (often childish) utopic vision but they were rarely shown as pure evil. The Klingons are a bunch of space viking samurai barbarians and the Cardassians are basically space nazi but the writing still allowed us to see them as people. Nowadays, people have such knee jerk reactions to mildly disagreeing that I worry about the show and how bad it will beat people on the skull with childish, ill-conceived moralizing.

>>15451056
Everyones doing that however the lack of info coming out and the 70's rehash for the design sets off alarm bells because if they're so out of ideas for the main ship that they have to dust of the old Phase II stuff then what about the rest?

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>>15452009
>they're so out of ideas for the main ship that they have to dust of the old Phase II stuff
Planet of the Titans, technically
it was a pre-Phase II project

>>15452035
My point stands if this is all they do on the main ship then alarm bells be ringing because one of ENT's biggest failings was how out of ideas they were and considering this is ment to bring Trek back to TV it has to be good or we'll be lucky to see another series in the next 10 years.

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>tfw you realize the late 80s and 90s were the golden age of Trek revival and it's gone forever

>>15449748
>a female actress play the main character whose name is Michael
What.

>>15452045
>back to TV
But it's not going to be on TV.

>>15452055
Maybe it's better that way. Every old franchise still around today is a butchered zombie puppet dangled on strings by greedy execs who either play it boring and safe or pander to awful fucking people. Or both.

>>15452091
I just wish I could turn on the TV and see an episode of TNG, DS9 and Voyager back to back again.

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thoughts?

>>15452111
Pretty sexy, 7/10. I really like the body portion. The saucer could use some work and imo the nacelles need a bit of tweaking.

>>15452105
These show are still around and will remain, no matter how much shitty Jar-Jar Trek or other poorly written pandering reboot they try to sell to a crowd of millennial hipsters who would have mocked Trekkies before 2009.

They can (and will) ruin the future of any franchise but cannot erase the good which came before. Always think of that. That nostalgia of rewatching TNG, warts and all, can never be taken away from you by greedy suits and smug self-serving douchebags.

>>15452105
there's an all-trek channel on cytube

>>15452111
the problem with this design is that it seems too small to be an evolution of the enterprise-E, the B (Excelsior-Class) was bigger than A , C (Ambassador-Class) was larger than B , and D (Galaxy-Class) was larger than C, with E (Sovereign) being roughly the same size as D.

Doesn't follow the formula. Still looks neat.

>>15452111
I like it a lot, I really like the stretched out nacelles, it harkens back to a wonderful design element forgotten on the Enterprise- the stretched out nacelles on the Refit, after which the nacelles were kept closer to the lower hull.

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>>15452061
Straight from the horse's mouth

https://twitter.com/startrekcbs/status/848943197216690176

>>15452399
There's been plenty of times in history where designs started to go smaller rather than larger. Maybe they decided having families and a mini-city on a ship wasn't a good idea and instead downsized it?

>>15452399
The Sov is a lot smaller than the Galaxy class. While the Sov is a bit longer, it's a lot narrower and doesn't have has much height. The Galaxy class had 42 decks, the Sov only had 24 decks or so.

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>>15452482
Forgot image.

>>15452003
This is what really kills me. Not just about modern sci-fi, but media in general. You'd think in the last 50 years writers would have become more sophisticated in communicating their feelings through their works. But no.

We no longer have D.C. Fontana's or Rod Serlings crafting stories that perfectly mock the weaknesses of the human condition without explaining their stances. Just ham-handed wannabe activists that care too much (or maybe too little) about their chosen issues to spin entertaining stories around their virtue signaling.

>>15452105
I take it you don't get H&I? To celebrate the 50th anniversary they've been running all the Trek series back-to-back, six days a week since last year.

>>15452447
>Sonequa
What is it with the stupid names people give their kids? Who names their daughter Michael?

>why is a woman named Michael?

It's one of Bryan Fuller's writing quirks. His works always have at least one main character who's a woman with a male name. There's George in Dead Like Me, Chuck in Pushing Daisies, Freddie in Hannibal, and now Michael in Star Trek.

The fact that he is/was so deeply involved just increases my worry about the show. All of the stuff he's done is known for being "quirky" and "darkly hilarious" or some shit.

>>15452828
>I take it you don't get H&I?
I don't, and looking at their show lineup is really making me regret that fact.

>>15453428
I keep seeing news articles where it's being claimed that Discovery is DARK and it really worries. Sure, DS9 was great, but I don't have the same hopes for Discovery.

>>15453428
I thought Bryan Fuller LEFT the show?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bryan-fuller-as-star-trek-discovery-showrunner-941587

>>15455000
He did, which is why he said

>The fact that he is/was so deeply involved
>is/was

Fuller's worked on part of the first season, and it will show up. When the quality drops even further, that's where you know he left.

>>15408348

Excelsior is definitely my fave. I especially love the shape of the bottom bit.

Definitely not because that's the one i had a toy of as a kid.

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>>15439292

>tfw your favorite race is video game only.

>make a prequel
>it fails
>hey guys let's reboot star trek
>with another prequel
When will they learn

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>>15457274

I've always been really bad at visualizing scale, but judging by the size of the windows on that model, 466.6 meters is a lot bigger than I think it is.

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>>15457403
Me too, Anon.

Reminds me of a story about George R. R. Martin, who wrote in the ASOIAF books that the Wall was 700 feet tall. So when the show was being made the producers actually found a quarry about that height, and Martin asked why it was so huge. They told him that it was the size that he described in the book, and he was like, "oh, I guess I made it way too big"

>>15457522

See, exactly my point. That image baffles me because it never clicked for me that the Millennium Falcon was that small and Serenity that big.

>>15457545
Serenity's size makes sense given the amount of space the crew has inside. The Millennium Falcon's size doesn't make much sense, though. It's tiny as hell.

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>>15457575
Speaking of tiny as hell it blew my mind when I first found out how small Star Trek ships were in relation to other spaceships.

>>15457403
It's a 150+ storey building.

>>15457619
I hate to use this term, but Star Trek sizes tend to be more "realistic" for what they're trying to depict.

>>15457619
I remember the Dominion dreadnaught docking with ds9 and it was nowhere near that big.

>>15457784
I think the one usually seen docking at DS9 was their smaller battleship (~750m), rather than the dreadnought that's introduced with the Valiant. Also the dreadnoughts in the last stand at Cardassia seem to be much larger than the others we see, so there may be a similar class that's just a scaled up version.

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>>15455070
Hydrans were cool, but I liked the Gorn ships more.

>>15408163
The one from DS9.

>>15455255
It didn't fail.

They just pulled the plug when it finally got good. Berman and Braga ruined the Star Trek either way.

>>15458970

It's not just that they pulled the plug.

"These Are the Voyages..." is one of the biggest slaps in the face I've ever seen given to an audience. I don't know about other people, but it personally soured the whole series for me.

>>15457814
If the Bird of Prey is any indication, the writers never cared too much about consistent scale. That thing like triples in size between the TOS movies and TNG.

>>15452828
I get the feeling that if it was the 1960's and the TOS episode with the Black/White and White/Black aliens or the one where Uhura and Kirk kiss just aired you'd be complaining about them shoving their "agenda" down your throat.
Science-Fiction has always been doing this. Asimov, Bradbury and others all had lot's of then "radical" ideas they discussed in their stories.

>>15459634
Officially, they're two different classes (B'rel being the small one and K'vort the larger), but yeah, it's pretty obviously either the writers, effects team, or execs not caring that they're reusing a model at a vastly different scale.

>>15459634
iirc the big starbase near Earth does the same trick too thanks to the miracle of reusing shots.

>>15459634

Scale has less to do with writers and more to do with effects guys. Drives the designers crazy, because they think everything through and then suddenly the ship is twice as big as it should be and shooting beams out of what were meant to be airlocks or sensors.

>>15459647
Well, it totally was and may have been as cringeworthy back in the day as it is today. My problem as explained here >>15452003 is that we live in the era of unsubtle, boring and clumsily written agenda-pushing with nothing around it to make it worthwhile or meaningful beyond its clumsy, often ill-conceived "meaning".

I accept that ST has and will push these kind of ideals, even if as I get older I disagree more and more with said 'ideals'. The thing is, I've binge-watched several ST shows lately and I still found the show to be good in spite of its politics. Because unlike the modern mentality, the show is not being a ball of hatred and spite with no redeeming quality. It's the fact I can derive enjoyment from it IN SPITE of how 'preachy' it is that shows how well it holds up. A quality I cannot expect from any modern Star Trek serie.

>everyone complained about Beastie Boys in Beyond
>no one complained about Steppenwolf in First Contact

>>15459809
I remember the time the D shot phasers out its proton tubes.

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>>15459634
I always got the impression from the openings that there was no sense of scale. For example, here in Voyager's there's a reflection of the ship in a planet's rings. We can see the full curvature of the ring (as well as a moon and it's reflection), and the camera just panned up through the ring, so we have a general idea of the camera's position and how jagged the rocks in the ring are. Voyager is absurdly large here.

I'm pretty sure there are also a few shots in TNG of the Enterprise, from the side, in which stars drift between the camera and the ship

>>15459858
Was it in 'Darmok'?

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>>15459873
Yes. Also, that red array cardassian ships shoot phasers from in DS9 is actually the navigation deflector. The phaser banks are those little yellow pyramids on the hull.

>>15461649
>Also, that red array cardassian ships shoot phasers from in DS9 is actually the navigation deflector.
Considering how much bullshit a deflector can pull off at plot convenience, I wouldn't be shocked if the Cardassians eventually just figure it would be more efficient to make a deflector that is also a big gun.

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>>15462687
I prefer the idea that the only people doing cray asspull engineering stuff are humans because they are just racially inclined to do stupid shit

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Is this thread dying? We posted too much? RIP thread, you were comfy. Good run, everyone.

>>15464562
I'm starting to think that one Vorta who said "Starfleet engineers can turn rocks into warp drives" wasn't actually exaggerating.

>>15459647
>I get the feeling that if it was the 1960's and the TOS episode with the Black/White and White/Black aliens or the one where Uhura and Kirk kiss just aired you'd be complaining about them shoving their "agenda" down your throat.

I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I'm actually fairly liberal IRL, albeit slightly more bitter these days.

My whole point is that episodes like the ones you listed were memorable not just because of their messages, but because they were well-written and entertaining stories in their own right that left you thinking afterwards.
Modern writers don't seem to be able to capture the "well-written and entertaining" aspect. It feels like there's more focus on playing to various sides, labeling one side morally right or wrong, than making a statement that rings true no matter who you are.

Take "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" for instance. Sure, the racial allegory was rather blatant, but it in no way overpowered the central message that hatred is cyclical, destructive, and ultimately rather silly in hindsight. In the end, both sides were in the wrong because they couldn't put their pasts aside and focus on the realities of the present. Do you think a message like that could be presented in today's political landscape?

>>15464562
Prokopetz is the pinnacle of "RPG.net pretentious dickwad" but for once I'm inclined to agree.