Reminder that he is THE most successful Gundam villain

>>15398446
>villain

>>15398565
This

Next you're going to say Revil or Bright were villains

>>15398446
>Reminder that he is THE most successful Gundam hero
Fixed that for you.

He actually deserved to win.
His opponents were a literal retard and a bunch of butthurt kids who didn't even know what they were fighting for.

>>15398565
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>>15398671
normies from ANN are so hilarious

>>15398671
go watch naruto

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>>15398446
>successful
>GH was forced to reform and now he can't get away with the sane bullshit anymore
>Remnants of Tekkadan are still scattered about with three keeping look out making sure he can't act while one is actively gunning for him
Well...he won a battle at least

>>15398726
>normies
Sounds like normalfag language.
Besides that, most people were pissed at Rustal than saying he was a hero.

>>15398754
If anyone thinks Ride can get within a hundred feet of President Rustal, they're delusional children.
The dude remains untouchable and is basically regarded as the greatest hero in the universe.

>>15398726

>posts some Bleach reactionface and bitches about "muh normies" because they have a different opinion on IBO

You need to go and stay go.

So I tapped out after season one but I watched the last two episodes and did a tiny bit a wiki reading. Was this guy actually villainous at all? From what I gather, in the most basic overview, Tekkaden were mercs siding with a terrorist and this guy along with his crew just shut down a poorly executed coup.

>>15398800
>siding with a terrorist
Why does everybody so casually sling around this word. The only group in IBO that comes close to being terrorists was Ride's group at the very end

>>15398767
>If anyone thinks Ride can get within a hundred feet of President Rustal, they're delusional children.
Yeah that'll be almost as stupid as Ride killing the world's most powerful mob boss on the toliet....oh wait

>>15398767

He got to Nobliss, so Rustal wouldn't be a long shot.

>>15398800
He was making deals with Nobliss to hide all GH misdeeds from the public and used illegal WMD behind their backs. He was a villain through and through and only retards would think otherwise.

>>15398822

He won though. He won and he made the world better.

What would McGillis and Tekkadan have done if they won?

>muh Bael
>only power should matter
>RULES OF NATURRRRE
>muh kangz of Mars

>>15398814
>world's most powerful mob boss
Hahahaha. No. If he was that powerful, he wouldn't need to suck up to Rustal. If he has even a fraction of actual power like an actual mob boss like McMurdo does, he wouldn't be working for Rustal, it would be a partnership.

>>15398841
>If he was that powerful, he wouldn't need to suck up to Rustal
>suck up
Rustal needed Nobliss to hide the fact that he was using illegal WMD, he was doing it because he feared him it was a partnership to keep both of their asses off the fire.

>>15398814
Are you retarded? Nobliss is a corporate executive who uses his resources for illicit purposes. He's not even the strongest mob around, those would be the Earth companies that had Gjallarhorn backing them up until both Gjallarhorn and said companies left. Even then Nobliss is just some Martian trash. Even McMurdo is bigger since he runs the largest mafia outside of the Earth and Mars sphere and is basically owner of the Teiwaz conglomerate within the Earth sphere, being the boss of all of the Teiwaz divsion including Turbines, JPT, and at one point Tekkadan.

>>15398829
>He won though
He won the battle not the war. Tekkadan and McGillis got what they wanted in the end and now Rustal has to play ball or else so he's playing the hero for the public knowing he doesn't have the same power he had before and doesn't know that remnants of Tekkadan are watching it. In short he's the Emperor with no clothes.

>>15398829
>What would McGillis and Tekkadan have done if they won?
Essentially the same shit that came about in the epilogue dumbass. The world as it is now is what they were both fighting for.

>>15398870
I really don't think he cares too much about that as he's been grooming Julietta to be his successor. He's gotten everything he wanted already. He's not going to needlessly over-extend himself by trying to be president for life, that's not his style.

>>15398870

Are you retarded?
He won the war too since now he's Supreme Ruler of Everything with absolute power and a 100% approval rating.

>>15398877

McGillis wanted a violent revolution. Rustal peacefully passed the reins of power.
Tekkadan just wanted to be kangz of Mars. Rustal gave them an actual democratic government.

>>15398865
>Nobliss is a corporate executive who uses his resources for illicit purposes. He's not even the strongest mob around
>covered up damn near every fucking illicit atrocity in the show while taking out everyone in their way

You're a fucking idiot

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>>15398726
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>>15398822
>imagine being a butthurt space rat

>>15398885
>He won the war too since now he's Supreme Ruler of Everything with absolute power and a 100% approval rating.
Nice fanfiction

>>15398890
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>>15398829
>Rustalfags
And I thought Gilbertfags were retarded

>>15398898
spotted the rat

>>15398881
>He's gotten everything he wanted already
He was forced into reforming GH to save face and doesn't have the same freedom he had before, all that's left for him is to play the fool. Julliette knows that its all a farce hence her reaction.

>>15398907
Rustal is now remembered as the great reformer and commands enormous influence and respect. With him grooming Julietta to be his successor, all signs to him leaving on a high note and not caring about what she does with Gjallarhorn afterward.

>>15398446
>THE most successful Gundam villain

You mean 2nd most successful villain still didn't beat the pink princess at it

>>15398822
>used illegal WMD
You can't blame Rustal in that one, for three reasons: 1) That weapons is not a WMD per see, it doesn't release chemical agents, is not nuclear, don't contain biological, radiological or bacteriological agents or etc. It is just a giant OP spear-thrower, used back in the day to fight giant killing machines. Gjallarhorn probably banned the thing because they thought to be dishonorable in a fight between human, or for fear of smaller factions using it to seize the power. 2) It was Gjallarhorn itself that banned the thing on their own accord, not a bilateral convention of parties. If they want to use it to quell a rebellion, they have the right to do so. 3) Is stupid to complain of Gjallarhorn using banned weapons, as they are breaking rules and not being honorable, when Tekkadan itself did that for most of S1; cleaning the floor with the face of enemies that tried to start a "honorable duel" with them. Hell, if Tekkadan posessed the Dainsleif, they would probably have tranformed it in a fucking machine gun.

I remember everybody chanting "STATUS QUO" a week ago but now everybody is making up reasons that Rustal wanted change all along

>>15398907

He reformed Gjallarhorn because with half of them dead there was no point to putting in all that extra effort just to keep control of some shithole like Mars. He allied with them anyway so now he doesn't have to police Mars but still enjoys all the benefits.

I understand you have a small brain so you need to have the good guys having won and the bad guys having lost. But no. Rustal is not losing sleep because Tekkadan beat him pyrrhically or something. He won, absolutely and completely, and all Tekkadan accomplished was making him incredibly famous and beloved and even more powerful.

>>15398898
Stay salty Mcfag.

>>15398911
>Rustal is now remembered as the great reformer and commands enormous influence and respect.
All built on lies. Like I stated he's a fool playing the role to keep up his position. It doesn't matter what the ignorant masses think because they don't know anything and the important thing is that he's not in a position to change anything with GH completely reformed and the Seven Stars done.
>With him grooming Julietta to be his successor, all signs to him leaving on a high note and not caring about what she does with Gjallarhorn afterward.
Of course because he's a con man. Doesn't really matter since he and GH are not in any position to do anything now which is the point, he gets to play hero while Kudelia and the remnants of Tekkadan can fix Mars and live in peace.

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>>15398934
If you nuke your enemies from space with railguns, you lose.

>>15398877
Given McGillis' rants about absolute authority and all, it seems rather likely his reforms wouldn't have had even the slightest pretense at democracy.

>>15398937
>and the important thing is that he's not in a position to change anything with GH completely reformed and the Seven Stars done.
Boy, you're so mad that you are now in denial.

>>15398937

...He's their fucking President.

How is he not in a position to exert any power?

>>15398944

No, Trudeau, if you win, you win.
In two generations nobody is going to remember Mikazuki Augus and Orga Itsuka and McShitter except as criminals, terrorists, rebels, anarchists, betrayers, whatever, who got shitcanned. They will be a sentence in history books.

Rustal on the other hand will go down like Abraham Lincoln or Winston Churchill.

>>15398934
>He reformed Gjallarhorn because with half of them dead there was no point to putting in all that extra effort just to keep control of some shithole like Mars.
No he was forced to reform because all of GHs old regime was finished and there was no need for them anymore. Why people keep acting as if this was his plan all along I have no clue since nowhere in the show does it imply his goal was to essentially be demoted to a figurehead with no actual power.

>>15398934
>I understand you have a small brain so you need to have the good guys having won and the bad guys having lost.
But the show tells you they won. You can't deny this at all since Tekkadan got what they wanted in the end and whats left of them are much better off then they were in the beginning. Tekkadan was NEVER about defeating GH or glory but it was about them finding a place for their members and then bailing out meanwhile Rustal failed to killed all of them and now has to play ball or risk losing face with the public because be doesn't have Nobliss to black out GHs actions anymore. In short he's Char during CCA, playing the clown.

>>15398969
Lincoln?
Actually, that's a lot more apt than it probably should be.

>>15398966
>President has all the power

Laugh at this retard

>>15398978
>But the show tells you they won

The show doesn't tell you they won at all, you delusional assclown. Kudelia says they fought for their human dignity and accomplished something but then again she's retarded.

>>15398983
Kudelia literally fucked Tekkadan the second she hired them

>>15398948
Nice fanfiction Rustalfag
>>15398949
>NO U
Great argument
>>15398966
Uh....kid, being President doesn't mean you have absolute power. You have less power than a monarchy because ypur decisions have to be approved before they get passed.

>>15398982

Except this isn't 'Murica where the power really lies in Congress and other institutions.

The organisation was completely restructured to put himself at the top as President, in a position of leadership. How is he made powerless? Because you say he is, when the show devotes one whole line to saying Rustal's the commander in chief?

>>15398969
>if you win, you win.
Good thing he didn't win then since GH is reformed and he doesn't have absolute power
>In two generations nobody is going to remember Mikazuki Augus and Orga Itsuka and McShitter except as criminals, terrorists, rebels, anarchists, betrayers, whatever, who got shitcanned. They will be a sentence in history books.
And I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit. Kinda puts a hamper in your whole argument doesn't it.

Won and lost at the same time
>gained higher power through teform but forced to lose Mars and lost power through Kujan family
>economic blocs trust him on earth again but Tekkadan escaped
>power may not be permanent anymore but has Julietta as successor
>lost a lot of men in the process

>>15398994
>The organisation was completely restructured to put himself at the top as President, in a position of leadership.
Wrong again dumbfuck

>>15399000

He had literally the supreme power to do anything he wanted with nobody to oppose him and the public behind him 100%, until he himself decided to let Mars be independent.

How is that not winning?

>>15398994
They literally say in the epilogue that GH is a democracy. That's the complete opposite of the shit you're spouting

>>15398983
>The show doesn't tell you they won at all,
Actually they do and you can fucking see it to....WHEN THEY GET EVERYTHING THEY WANTED. You are wrong Rustalfag and its time for you to accept this.

>>15399006
>He had literally the supreme power to do anything he wanted with nobody to oppose him
Do you just love lying put your ass

>>15399013

They wanted to be Kangz of Mars.
They not only did not become Kangz of Mars but 90% of them died horribly and went down in history as terrorists, and the survivors have to spend the rest of their lives living under false identities as wanted criminals.

>>15399020

Do you? Kudelia even fucking tells you this in the narration, right before she says Rustal reformed all the shit.

>>15399006
>He had literally the supreme power to do anything he wanted with nobody to oppose him and the public behind him 100%
Oh I see! Rustalfags watched a different show from everyone else.
>>15399006
>until he himself decided to let Mars be independent.
Except this is wrong too.

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>>15399029
>They wanted to be Kangz of Mars.
Except they didnt dumbass. Tekkadan goal was always about making their lives better, they didn't want to be kings of anything or destroy GH.

>90% of them died horribly
Nice made up number dumbass

>>15399007
To be fair he didn't have 100% power under seven stars since it was a committee system.
Probably has more authority of the workings of Gjallarhorn as president, but is more limited to heavy influence in the earth sphere plus unless there is no term limit, dude has to give up position at some point and there may be more departments having a say.
>>15399013
>friends are dead, parts of their family are lost due to going for vengeance and former identities and group were smashed into the dirt while guy who caused it is still alive
Not everything but it's pretty good enough for what went down, pretty happy.

>>15399044
>they didn't want to be kings of anything

Oh boy.

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>>15398446
Why wasn't Cima allowed to have this final redemption ending?

>>15399045
Its not perfect but it's almost too happy of an outcome. I guess its the fact that the ones who died wanted to or were prepared for it barring Shino and Biscuit.

>>15399044

What in the fuck are you talking about?

McGillis offered to make Orga and his followers 'kings of Mars', and he took it. That was the entire reason Naze went to criticise his trust in a Gjallarhorn representative.

>>15399007

Yeah, I'm aware that it's a democracy, but the point the original poster is making is that Rustal is apparently powerless in his new position despite absolutely nothing suggesting he is.

And so far as the public knows, he's the man who brought about the end to a group of apparent criminals who were destabilising the inner solar system, so with that in mind I can't imagine public approval being abysmal. Just throwing it out there.

>>15399078
>McGillis offered to make Orga and his followers 'kings of Mars', and he took it
You do realize none of them were taking him seriously right? In fact Orga wanted out of it once he saw things were getting too heated and that McGillis was a retard.

>>15399056
>sending his subordinates to die

Rustal did a lot of shady things, but he was actually pretty good to his subordinates. He gave Vidar a free reign to do as he pleased and tried to hold Julietta and Iok back when they mentioned stupid ideas to him. When he uses the Dainsleifs in the final battle he has his own men pull back and does it early in the hopes that he can limit casualties on his own side. In terms of tactics he actually tries harder to save his troops than McGillis or Orga.

>>15399091
>Rustal is apparently powerless in his new position despite absolutely nothing suggesting he is.
He is. He cant do the same shit he got away with in GH and has to answer to a Senate and also with Kudelua watching him he has no choice but to sit and watch Mars get rebuild or lose public approval. Hes a figurehead.

>And so far as the public knows, he's the man who brought about the end to a group of apparent criminals who were destabilising the inner solar system, so with that in mind I can't imagine public approval being abysmal
If he goes back to how Mars was his approval ratings will plummet and he can't use Nobliss either.

>>15399092
It was more orga trusting him since he wanted a secure and battle-less life for his friends and kings of Mars was fitting, and everyone else following due to Orga being their leader.
Orga only backed out realised McGillis was stupid and that he wasn't going to secure his friends lives at that point, only their graves, rather than not seriously at all. He considered McGillis to be a valid enough path to leave Teiwaz and kill Jasley

>>15399092

Yes, none of them took him seriously, to the point where they freely helped him in his doomed endeavour and Orga had that little speech to his followers in the battle with Rustal's fleet about how after Rustal would be taken out they'd have everything they could ever dream of.

This was before Orga realised how much of an idiot he was and asked for parlay, by the way.

>>15399111
Seeing as in how he treated Julietta and the others to meat during his intro and how he was grooming Julietta to be his successor despite not being his actual daughter, it seems like he's genuine in his desire to protect them.

>>15399116
>He considered McGillis to be a valid enough path to leave Teiwaz and kill Jasley
Because they literally have no other options
>>15399117
>they freely helped him
It was a job retard and they only followed him because Orga said so. And as stated before they never took his opposition seriously and only saw it as another means for a better life not to literally fucking rule it. You lose again Rustalfag

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>>15399131
>Its a Rustalfag makes a fanfic episode
You idiots are the new Gilbertfags

>>15399141
Could've did other merc jobs anyway or tried to milk anything from Admoss at that point, they gambled big because McGillis promised big along with their desperation.
>never took it seriously
Don't know where you got that from anyway. It was a consideration at best and at that point they were already stable with warnings from aniki.
>>15399147
>Fanfic
Nah, my fat weapons dealer is painting me in a good light.

>>15398446
>villain

>>15399141

>it was a job

If Orga absolutely did not take him seriously and see what he offered as a way forward for him and Tekkadan to better their existence, he wouldn't have even bothered to help.

Shut up, please.

>>15399160
>Could've did other merc jobs anyway or tried to milk anything from Admoss at that point
They seperated from among the strongest mafia organizations. They weren't going to get any work after that.
>>15399160
>Don't know where you got that from anyway
Orga's own fucking reaction and the fact that he saw how crazy it was but hopped on once Macky promised that they would have a good life if they succeed.

>>15399171
See
>>15399173
Did any if you Kangz retard actually see his reaction or the fact that he scoffed at the idea?

>>15399171
>Orga only got McGillis offer when he offered them a better life
>Tekkadan goal was to find a better life
Thank you for proving yourself wtong ya stupid motherfucker

>>15399183

Yeah and that better life was being kangz of Mars.

>>15399191
Yeah it was. Now do you have a point to make or do you love being wrong all the time?

>>15399196

Your denial is pathetic.

>>15399112
>figurehead
Depends on if his cabinet isn't filled with corrupt people considering connections anyway. If he is well loved then he would still have some sway anyway. If he still has anything, it seems to be on Earth then.
>>15399173
They were still a security company but the problem was they lost so much due to S2 that they jumped on the Kings risk because it would've gained more for them in a short term action. Huge gamble.

>>15398898
>And I thought Gilbertfags were retarded
>Gilbert wasn't right
Explain your reasoning?

>>15399111
Not to mention during the fleet battle on Earth orbit he deliberately just targetted McGillis revolutionary fleet and not the fleet he stole from Carta when he could have slaughtered them all with the diensleifs.

>>15398928
Rods from God are always WMDs. And it's not stupid to complain; it is a legitimate argument against Gjallarhorn's fitness to rule, by way of its hypocrisy.

>>15399006
>until he himself decided to let Mars be independent.
That was Based Man McMurdo extracting concessions out of him. Ghallarhorn is exhausted, McMurdo and Rustal know what's the score. Should McMurdo attack, everyone loses but the Tekkadan knockoff warlords when the solar system becomes space Mad Max.

>fanwank itt

>>15399056
Better than Muh Bael and Muh King of Mars.

>>15398814
so youre saying a mob boss as the same level of sacuraty as the literal head of the military of earth

>>15399398
tacitly not kinetic bombardment weapons are not considered WMD atlest not by the real world rules of war ofcorse no ones stupid enough to put a system like that into space as every other country would shoot it down in a instant calming preemptive self defense

>>15400391
A mob boss who can distort the media and have anyone killed at a whim? Yes.
>as the literal head of the military of earth
That's a lower position than his previous one.
>>15400402
You're a fucking idiot

>>15399200
Much like your non-argument.

>>15400686
Distort the media on Mars though, and it's not as if hits are hard, Jasley could do similar things. Besides he had to cozy up to Rustal because he relies on that business too with the last arc and it's not as if Rustal's going to easily get caught with his pants down.
>That's a lower position than his previous one.
Member of the committee of the military on solar system with control of earth sphere's top army?
Yes and no really.

>>15400707
>and it's not as if Rustal's going to easily get caught with his pants down.
If this show has taught us anything that's exactly is what going to happen given how everything fell apart easily in the first season.
>Member of the committee of the military on solar system with control of earth sphere's top army?
Seven Stars had more power and influence but now that they're dead GH was forced to comply to save face so now they're nothing more than a glorified border patrol with no actual power like they had before. But continue to think that Rustal's change of heart in the every last second of the show was deliberate plan and not just him saving face.

>>15400726
If the man is as careful as the show wants to hype up, we won't as stupid as Nobliss, man forgot who Orga was himself.
>Glorified Border control
Of course.

>>15398800
No, he just wants to prevent a coup d'etat and believes Gjallarhorn is an important piece of the future. The only thing he did wrong in the series is fail to save McGillis as a child when he saw the bruising, but it's clear he regrets that judging by his mentor student relationship with Julieta, an orphan herself and his decisions during the time skip.

>>15399078
Did you mis all the episodes they spent telling you that aside from improving their lives, they were mostly aimless? Orga went after King of Mars shit when he still had support from Teiwaz, and saw it as a shortcut to them having to do any more merc jobs. Most members didn't give a shit about it and just went along because they thought whatever Orga thinks is a good idea is a good idea

>>15399112
>has to answer to a Senate
Didn't show anything of the sort. We don't even know what the full powers of the president are or how the new Earth government is organized aside from the fact that the economic bloc still elects ministers and Rustal does the foreign diplo stuff

>>15400822

He still thought Kangs of Mars was a good idea.
He still agreed to take everyone down the Kangs of Mars path and gave everybody a speech about how their new goal was Kangs of Mars.

You faggots trying to say "kangs of Mars" was just a big inside joke nobody took seriously are failing to convince anyone, because Orga supposedly valued the lives of his family above everything else and then he committed those lives to... becoming kangs.

>>15400838
To be fair he took kangs as it would mainly help his men live safe lives. But I somewhat agree.
>>15400824
Wouldn't there also be the chance of those part of new Gjallarhorn be afflicated with members of the old Gjallarhorn and could be more biased, like Edmonton?

>>15398986
No, Tekkadan was fucked the second Orga went along with Chocoman's "You'll be Kings of Mars!" bullshit. He had a good fucking thing going aside from Jasley's fuckery. Hell, find out someway to take out Jasley and his JPT Trust without stepping on any toes and they would have been fine under Teiwaz. But nooo, gotta keep moving forward and all that bullshit.

>>15398754
>GH was forced to reform and now he can't get away with the sane bullshit anymore
Nothing is stopping him, he could probably get away with more.

>>15398726
normies are actually mad at Rustal, mate. they expected a Deus Ex Machina for mikazuki and akihiro

>>15400873
Considering that McMurdo knew that Jasley was planning on fucking him over (so he went and made his own deal with Rustal), it's likely that he would have allowed Tekkadan to fuck up Jasley without much consequences.

>>15398978
Rustal is someone who knows doing what works.

His still upheld his personal credibility by stopping the revolution, and since half the Seven Stars are gone, the old system was unsustainable. Therefore, he reformed it inside to please everyone and minimise future conflict.

So Rustal, wasn't a pwer hungry person who seeks war. He does care about the greater good, unlike the Tekkadan with their nakama narrow minded bullshit and McGliss with his forceful revolutionary mind.

Of course, I don't blame Tekkadan for their nakama mindset with no just cause. Afterall, they grew up powerless and not having been respected. Kudelia, on the other hand, who grew up rich, did want Mars to become independent.

And for once, adults actually won in a Gundam show.

This is payback for Guts killing Galan Mossa with the youth winning bias.

>>15398446
He won the battle not the war, this was a rocky tier ending.

>Tekkadan lived and got away
>Mars was free
>Tekkadan is now people and no longer soldiers.

>>15402054
Tekkadan as a force it group got destroyed and most of the guys had to completely ditch attachment to it though and this boosted up Gjallarhorn from its precarious state it was due to S1.
Though he did suffer, wasn't a complete win and weaker influence as a result of the fallout.

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>>15402054

Rustal never said anything about being against a free Mars. Instead he expanded the deals with Teiwaz and didn't objected when they supported Kudelia because this resulted in a non belligerant, well governed Mars that didn't need a big and difficult to manage garrison. The fact that Tekkadan personnel survived is irrelevant because the public will never know about that.

>>15402463
>Blood must be spilled,your is not enough

>Ride is still tekkadan


Face is he only won a two battles. Tekkadan lives to fight another day.

>>15398446

>>>>>>>>>>>villain

>>15398726
>>15398726

autists from /m/ are funny

>GH was forced to reform and now he can't get away with the sane bullshit anymore
So you're saying he is limited..by the reformations he made in the first place...okay

>Remnants of Tekkadan are still scattered about with three keeping look out making sure he can't act while one is actively gunning for him

1 manchild with a pistol will surely be able to assassinate a democratic leader with no trouble

>>15402463
>Rustal never said anything about being against a free Mars
He doesn't say anything about changing the status quo either so you can't really say that this was what he had in mind at all.
>. Instead he expanded the deals with Teiwaz and didn't objected when they supported Kudelia because this resulted in a non belligerant, well governed Mars that didn't need a big and difficult to manage garrison.
No he was just forced to play ball since GH has no power with the Seven Stars gone so it was either tarnish is reputation to the public or play the fool. Guess which one he chose?

>The fact that Tekkadan personnel survived is irrelevant because the public will never know about that.
Its not irrelevant because its a slap to his ego, the public doesn't know about it because he blocked intel. Now with remnants of Tekkadan being in the seats of the government he won't be able to pull the same shit anymore. I think you dumbasses missed the point entirely

>>15402068
>Tekkadan as a force it group got destroyed
Remnants are still scattered about and they're apparently still looking for them also Ride is still carrying out their will

> and most of the guys had to completely ditch attachment to it though
That was always their intention retard. Tekkadan was suppose to be the bridge to get everyone into a better life and then they cut ties with it completely
> boosted up Gjallarhorn
They have less power than they did in the first season and now have to comply with the government to save face instead of people the Seven Stars lap dogs

>>15402045
>Rustal is someone who knows doing what works.
And that's buy using illegal WMD, siding with the mafia to hide his misdeeds?

>. Therefore, he reformed it inside to please everyone and minimise future conflict.

So he had to basically play ball or force losing the image he made to the public

>He does care about the greater good
No he cares about keeping his position on top regardless of his methods. The Tekkadan and McGilies were all fighting to make sure people didn't suffer the same lives they did and they succeeded because now with the Seven Stars destroyed, GH becoming glorified security officers and human trafficing and human debris no more with the people they love still alive to keep that peace they'll make sure nobody lives the same lies they did which is a fuck ton more noble than a glorified tool

>>15402079
Nope

>>15402479
>So you're saying he is limited..by the reformations he made in the first place...okay
So you're saying that Rustal purposely made his organization weaker on purpose? Okay

>1 manchild with a pistol will surely be able to assassinate a democratic leader with no trouble
Yes just how he assassinated one of the most powerful figures in the mob world on teh fucking toliet

Man I sure do love BTFO Rustalfags. You make it so fucking easy

>>15402479
>Democratic
Implying he only leveraged his fame of
"Destroying" the rebels,and sought a way to maintain some power.
>>15402079
>Best dad

He would have killed her with a dainsleif if Mika was dueling her, for a better world.

>>15402550
Mob world vs military man, what's more easier anon? Mob men are weak and strong to mob hits in this universe.

>This thread still going

Pretty much the only thing keeping this shit thread alive is some lone autismo who is basically doing the IBO equivalent of concern trolling and going "h-he didn't REALLY win, Rustalfags BTFO!!!1!" even though the asshurt on /m/ was immense precisely because Rustal won and Tekkadan's whole journey was basically pointless, serving only to empower him.

He won. Tekkadan lost. You can all go home, war's over.

>>15402515
But they are a government, they gained trust from the blocs and public again also, they just have to play ball with the new Mars govt.
>cut ties with it completely
When was this again, been some time.

>>15398446
>Most successful
Except that's Ezelcant. He literally got the perfect world that he killed billions for.

>>15402565
>Mob world vs military man, what's more easier anon?
This is IBO, where more named characters were killed by a hit-man than a MS.

>>15402574
>R-r-r-r-rustal won guise!
>R-r-r-r-really!

This is just sad

>>15402634

Tekkadan
>Dead
>Fugitives
>Living under assumed identities
>Names and reputations forever tarnished

>Rustal
>President of the Solar System

Yeah he totally lost.

>>15402627
>implying the military can't call hits
Besides most of these guys killed by a hitman were all involved with various mafia/"crime" associates thinking about it.
What comes around goes around, if you think about it.

>>15402591
>They just can't do whatever they want and actually has to answer to a Senate

Wow...such an improvement. They sure are moving on up!

>>15402648
To be fair it's more president of earth and overseer of economic blocks and negotiator with everywhere else than president of solar system.
Still in a pretty influential system through. Don't get the whole security company thing when corruption in smaller forms are just as easy in his new position than his old.

>>15402660
>S1 has Izanario influence system with people allied with him
>thinking there won't be dicksuckers ob Rustal's senate
>every democracy is a senate based system

>>15402648
Tekkadan

>Remnants scattered about everyone
>Running the government
>Happy
>One is on a killing spree

Rustal
>Glorified figurehead of a much bigger nation and can't scratch his ass without getting approval

Yeah he won alright

>>15402648
>Living under assumed identities
>Names and reputations forever tarnished
Why do people have the assumption that they care about any of this and that it wasn't their intention from the very beginning?

>>15402675

You are a sad man and I feel sorry for you.

>>15402670
>S1 has Izanario influence system with people allied with him
And look how fast he got shot down once word hit of his actions
>thinking there won't be dicksuckers ob Rustal's senate
They sure as fuck won't be the majority
>every democracy is a senate based system
Pretty sure the whole point of the treaty is to make sure it remains a senate based system so that Kudelia will stand a chance.

>>15402682
>very beginning
Because they had to do it as a result of the revolt failing, what else?
It still works out because they at least don't have to fight and can move on. That's a goal they wanted and still achieved.
>>15402675
>glorified figurehead
Don't know what fanfic that's from.

>>15402683
t. Rustalfag

>>15402701
>Don't know what fanfic that's from.
The same fanfic from you thinking he's president of the solar system or that a president has the same power as a king

>>15402699
Kudelia and Mars are independent from Gjallarhorn anon. They just seem to make deals anyway as seen with the illegalisation if human debris.
How can you be so sure the dicksucking case won't be true? At this point it could go either way.
And Izanario failed because there was Tekkadan and his own adopted kid scheming against him. Both are gone now.

>>15402701
>Because they had to do it as a result of the revolt failing, what else?
...that was always their intention you fucking retard even before the revolt. The show never hid the fact that Tekkadan only went into the PMC business as a bridge to better living and then abandon it once they did. Eugene, Chad and the rest all leaving their past behind is following that mission statement.

>Don't know what fanfic that's from.
This is ironic coming from a Rustalfag

>>15402709
Who said I thought he was solar system King? I'm saying he's restricted to earth.
And even then it's not like president itself is not a powerful position.
At best it should've been expanded more than just a minute sum of the time skip

>>15402722
They were going to leave PMC shit, not tekkadan itself you twit, it wasn't even officially a PMC at that point but a "security company", hence political advisors by S2, which wasn't really displayed as violent until Rustal ruined it by starting a pissing match with Macky.

Rustal is a morally gray character, how is that hard to understand, jesus christ this board is full of such retards, how can you function enough to operate your computers?

Space Pinochet did nothing wrong desu.

>>15402537
you mean the same mafia that Tekkadan was a part of?

>>15403342
he's space douglas macarthur, anon

>>15398446
reminder that Mikazuki was the first protagonist to be killed off in a Gundam tv series
Fuck you Okada

>There were people cheering for Tekkadan
>There are people who are legitimately upset they didn't get the good end
huh

>>15403425
I definitely want a SRW with IBO now!
Just so I can put Rustal in his place or give him a flashy beatdown.

>>15402735
In case you don't realize it, the only reason Tekkadan was able to leave the PMC life is because they got destroyed by Rustal. If McGillis had won, it would most likely result in a world where power makes might and further fuck the lives of people who were already living in shitty conditions.

>>15403379
>comets go zoom
>flying T
>Kira's character was assassinated
>Kira's character was assassinated a second time

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>>15403379
At least he got a kid! I know Shiro did that first and actually lived but those were OVAs

>>15403436
I don't want to side with space rats from Mars but i also want to see the sheer hilarity of Rustal's face when Mazinkaiser completely no selling Dainsleif's attack
>tfw we get a choice to annihilate both Tekkadan and Gjallarhorn

>>15402605
Ezelcant was such bullshit. Caused more pain, more deaths and more destruction than any other Gundam villain, and the show had the gal to try and let him die like a sympathetic villain.

>>15403479
Watch Rustal make a pact with some weird demon lord to get super Dainsleif's

>>15398870
No... no, I'm pretty sure he won the war.

>>15403479
Better idea, sic Mazinger ZERO on him or Idiok.

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>>15398446
that's funny, pic related is more successful. Did it with less casualties too.

>>15403554

Lacus was presented as a hero.
Rustal was not.

So with all the Tekkadan survivors running around, how many Neo-Neo-Neo-Neo-Tekkadan rebellions are we going to get? Are they going to drop the Dort colonies on earth?

>>15403554
>>15403568
She also had Jesus Yamato in his unstoppable mobile suit to help her. All Rustal had was 2 retards and a fuckload of rail guns.

>>15403568
Isn't that what tops it off? That most of the populace thinks she's the heroine, but really isn't?

>>15403554
I wish that outfit showed that much sideboob in the show.

>>15403572

They can't do shit and they know it. The only one retarded enough to try anything is Ride.

>>15403575
>>15403568
the topic here is "most successful villain"

>>15398870
>knowing he doesn't have the same power he had before

>Leader of gjallhorn vs being in command of a fleet

>>knowing he doesn't have the same power he had before


what did he mean by this?

>>15403572
Nah.

They'll planet drop Mars on Earth instead.

>>15403261
He is not morally grey, he is black but didn't get caught.
>>15403580
Implying ride isn't moving forward with his plan never looking back.
>>15403583
He means that gayhorn is an institution. They are the top institution,and thus dictate the social norm of the universe.institution do not like change,but when change happens other institutions follow, aka they change gayhorn not only weakening it position to the point that the only future it had was to ride the the suppressing of rebel to stay on top,essentially gayhorn is dead,it has been absorbed by another institution,and thus will slowly change as time goes by,rustal cannot do shit. Seven Stars is a symbol of gayhorn old power.Now gayhorn is absorbed and will be destroyed much like the Spanish did to native I SA slowly erroding it's culture,rituals.

>>15403602

Nigger I don't give a fuck what Ride is doing. Ride is a fucking moron. Ride thinks he is avenging his friends by going full guerilla when all it's doing is cutting him off from the friends who are still around, while feeding the idea that Tekkadan is still out there and a threat, and making sure Ride is forever an outlaw who will die in prison or a hail of police bullets when all those people who fucking literally threw themselves between Ride and gunfire did so because they wanted him to live a normal life and not be a nigger.

Ride is literally the worst character in IBO. He is the shittiest kid in the entire history of the Gundam franchise, worse than Quess and Hathaway and Katz, because he got so many fucking people killed, gets off scot free, and then HE LEARNED NOTHING. HE LEARNED NOTHING AT ALL.

>>15398446

>completely fucking decimated a coup attempt
>indirectly killed the fuck out of 3 gundam pilots
>absolutely annihilated tekkadan save for a few bitter manchildren
>killed the corruption of gayhorn by doing away with the seven stars system and made it a democracy
>became president and literally made everything 100% better for everyone

I don't think he's a villain though. Antagonist? Yes, but not a villain. /m/ really needs to brush up on their literary terms, because in any other story he would be Competent commander who isn't afraid to get his hands dirty for the greater good.

>>15398446

I feel like he will be the most misunderstood character. People literally don't even get the message IBO was trying to tell and legitimately think that fuckboy ride is a good character

>>15403575
She didn't obtain that asset from dumb luck. She gained Kira's trust from carefully planned, gradual manipulation over the course of many years. She deserves credit for playing her cards right if nothing more.

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>>15403610
Best boy

>>15403620
To be fair, the message is very muddled and unfocused, and if you were watching it week by week it was easy to lose track of it.

>>15403630

i hope there's a movie just so i can see him die

>>15403610
Because you got no empathy for ride ,not see through his eyes.He is child soldier all he knows is how to kill,and his hero died saving him.He blame himself,and see moving forward as doing what his boss would have done if some killed the tekkadan,like how the killed the guy who killed Haram.king,and how the delt with the guy responsible for biscuit. That he how he learned to solve issues,to kill those who killed your friend and get revenge. Know he has no hero and is told that he is no longer a soldier. What you think he gonna do be a engineer? If the only thing he knows is how to kill,and his hero died in his arms.

>>15403653

Shut up you Filipino fuck. There is no excuse. Ride is the worst.

>>15403610
This man is reasonable.

Orga threw himself into the fire so Ride could live a tranquil life together with the rest of Tekkadan and he blew it, making Orga's sacrifice damn near meaningless.

Also Ride isn't worse than Katz, I mean c'mon, at least he has style going for him.

>>15403668
At least Katz had the decency to die for us.

>>15403659
The irony is you shit on ride's dark edgyness and call it the worst while you posts are just as edgy.


>Wahahhaaa ride is the worst !!!

>>15403679
Disliking a fictional character isn't edgy. Specially if that character in particular exemplifies edginess.

>>15403679

Too bad for you that I didn't say anything about his "dark edgyness." Are you illiterate? Good job, retard. Gold star.

>>15403674
Well shit you got me there.

Ride confirmed to be worse than Gihren.

>>15403668

Katz was punished for his stupidity because he died. Ride continues to live, never having learned anything, just endangering everybody around him all the time. He's basically Tekkadan's Iok.

>>15403653
And by doing so he's potentially screwing Tekkadan and Kudelia out of their lives. If his sick desire for revenge leads him to Rustal, all that's necessary is a single attempt at his life for him or Julietta to go and point at Kudelia for hiding Tekkadan and there you have it, Mars loses its leader, Tekkadan has to run away again, Kudelia is basically fucked and everything Makanai worked for could be thrown into jeopardy.

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>>15403623
As if Manipulating that guy is hard.

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>>15402541
>didn't care that she was lowborn
>was always honest with her and wants her to come to her own conclusions
>knew when to use positive reinforcement and when to punish his kids
>genuinely believed that Julietta could beat Murder Midget or at least hold him off till he Dainsleif'd the rest
>was grooming her to be his successor from the start

By the standards set by Tomino of the elder generation helping guide the younger and not getting in the way of true progress, he is one of the best dads in Gundam history.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-04-04/gundam-iron-blooded-orphans-yuka-terasaki-announces-marriage-pregnancy/.114300

>>15398754
He can probably get away with more bullshit since he doesnt have a council of 6 otger families with his same power level to consider anymore.

With Kudelia basically being put there by him, hes pretty close to be king of the galaxy

>>15403610
Ride is a manchildren whose obsession with the past goes against Orgas "go forward" thing, but Nobkiss dying is overall a net gain for everyone, as he was the one powerful adult that showed zero reedemable qualities in 50 episodes.

Heck hes the guy who tried to get kudelia assassinated in s1, hed definitely do it again when she outruns her usefullness.

>>15404012
>died on the pooper
like every yakuza movie ever.

>>15403990
>He can probably get away with more bullshit since he doesnt have a council of 6 otger families with his same power level to consider anymore.
Yeah instead he has a senate of people watching his everyone move. He actually had more freedom under the Seven Stars.
>With Kudelia basically being put there by him, hes pretty close to be king of the galaxy
Kudelia wasn't put there by him and with her there he will have even less freedom to do what he wants.

>>15403822
t. Rustalfag

You dumbfuck are even more pathetic than Gilbertfags at this point. Between this and Okada admitting that she purposly changed the original ending which had Galieo exposing his crimes I'm not sure what's more sweeter

>>15404307

I'm curious as to why Gaelio would do that - he would effectively be shooting himself in the balls.

I mean, it's like if I was a member of the Communist party, and Stalin personally betrayed me. I would no longer have any loyalty, whatsoever, to Communism.

>>15404307
So she made the rustle ending anyway? What's the issue? It's scrapped and the show ended with what it is.
>>15404303
We can both really imply anything from a short info dump.

>>15403618
>absolutely annihilated tekkadan
He annihilated their fighting force everyone else is scattered about and they;re stll trying to find them
>killed the corruption of gayhorn by doing away with the seven stars system and made it a democracy
He didn't do away with it the Seven Stars folded itself. As Mars was gaining its independence he had no choice by to reform GH to save face
>became president and literally made everything 100% better for everyone

That was McMurdo and Kudelia. Rustal essentially had to play ball or lose his position and now he can't do much of anything but groom Monkey until his time is up

>I don't think he's a villain though.
Because you're a fucking retard like all the other Rustalfags

> because in any other story he would be Competent commander who isn't afraid to get his hands dirty for the greater good.
Because he wasn't doing it for the greater good you fucking idiot he wanted to keep his position. The original ending had Gali exposing his war crimes but they changed it for fuck all reason. Any notion that he was moral grey got thrown out the fucking window.

>>15404317
>What's the issue?
Nothing really just that the original intention for Rustal made him out to be a villain and not the moral grey commander you idiots keep making it out to be. The ending being what it is is a result of her liking Gali's VA or something
>>15404314
Too be fair the ending was only changed because she liked his VA and wanted him to live

>>15398446

>mfw we just saw him as the villain because of Macky's autism
>mfw he actually fixes Gjallarhorn and does all the things Macky sperged about (and probably never would have done)

he was pretty ruthless and power crazed though, but he literally stopped all of that shit immediately after the war

>>15404012
>Ride is a manchildren

>the teenager is a fucking idiot idolizing his dead boss because he's like 17

holy shit alert the space media

>>15404318

>Guys Rustal didn't actually do any of the stuff he did it was all done by Kudelia and McMurdo even though Rustal was the one who had the ultimate power and he was the one who made Mars independent and I know all this even though the show doesn't actually expound on anything and it's all one liners

You're fucking retarded.

>he wasn't doing it for the greater good

Look at what he says, to himself with nobody around him, when McShitter is rebelling and making dumb speeches about Muh Bael, Muh Divine Right. Does he sound like a dude who only cares about his own power? No, he talks about how McGillis is a child who doesn't understand the history of Gayhorn and is just throwing a destructive tantrum. Those are the words of a man working to preserve a civilization built on 300 years of pain.

>>15404320
Never said he was morally grey. He's pragmatic in at least trying to covet his power but granted I didn't like either side much.
If she wanted him to live, then the same ending but Gali surviving would be fine, don't know how that would warrant a completely different change.

>>15404328
There's nothing to say that Macky wouldn't have done it. That whole shitty epilogue came out of fucking nowhere. And we don't really need Macky's word for it because we saw Rustal's actions ourselves.

>>15398885
>Supreme Ruler of Everything with absolute power

he's like the president at most

>>15404328
You'd think if they try to make Julietta develop or tried to go for this ending, they would try to make them more "grey".
I don't mind Rustal's win but everyone except Galieo on the Arianrhod side weren't that great of characters, developed or sympathetic or understandable or whatever they implied by end.
If you think about, dude has the power to change it, but was too fine with the benefits of the old system to do so. Plus the events of S1 and S2 forcing his hand in that way.

>>15404337

I thought the series established that Macky was batshit. His entire plan was "Now I have Bael, it's only logical everyone's going to listen to me."

It's like going "I'm president now, because I have Abraham Lincoln's rifle and George Washington's sword. BOW BEFORE THE GOD-KING OF AMERICA!"

>>15404337

Even if McShitter had fulfilled his promise and not just made himself King of Gjallarhorn, there's a huge difference.

Rustal willingly, peacefully handed power over to Mars. That is so rare and important to the prospering of fledgling states and governments.

Anything McGillis accomplished would have come from rebellion. There is an inherent element of chaos and difficulties inspiring faith in the people.

Wait a second, ESL anon, that Barbatos form you mentioned with the original end wouldn't be the scrapped option set with the form 1 arm and Rodi feet thrusters, would it?

>>15404351
>Rustal willingly, peacefully handed power over to Mars.
Because he had no fucking choice. The only similar result with both of their plans was that the Seven Stars would be absolved and they would had no choice but to reform GH as to whether Macky seriously consider the same democratic structure or take his grand delusions to heart making himself king is up in the air but I believe that even he would have to essentially play ball with the rest of the solar system like Rustal did or like GH with someone else's hand

>>15404350
His intentions were sound but he was just delusional. Essentially thinking everything would go his way if he followed a fairy tale, he wasn't a "bad" person persay but got caught up up his own ass with his child-like fantasies, a man-child if you will, that it led to his demise.

>>15404370
>Because he had no fucking choice

No, he chose to because it wasn't worth the hassle. Nowhere does it say "he had to." Stop bullshitting.

>>15404361
I guess so though it would have just been another asspull. I'm fine with Barabatos ending the way it did its just everything in the epilogue that's retarded/

>>15404375
If anything they should've had an episode for the whole epilogue process. Maybe that would smooth over everything or clarify.
Yeah I noticed because of the same missing arm and horn. Wonder when the bombardment was supposed to happen.

>>15404374
Nowhere does it say what you're implying either

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>>15404374
>Stop spouting bullshit the show didn't say
>Continues to spout bullshit the show didn't say

The epilogue is so short and meaningless that the key detail of whether he chose or was forced to is irrelevant though I'll take him being forced to so over he just randomly having a change of heart

>>15398966
>>15398982
>>15398990
We don't have enough details to determine what powers he does and doesn't have, only that he was elected into office. For all we know he is the Senate.

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>>15398446

IBO was shit but Rustal is simply fantastic.

>>15404419
t. Rustalfag

>>15404398
>>15404392
This. We just don't know.
>>15404425
I fucking laughed at Episode 46's Dainsleif spam if anything.

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>>15404398
It's outright stated that he allowed Kudelia to become leader of Mars. That implies a significant degree of control over even an 'independent' Mars. Hardly the powerless figurehead some delusional idiots here are trying to paint him as.

>>15404460
>It's outright stated that he allowed Kudelia to become leader of Mars
He didn't allow anything you fucking idiot. It was agreed upon by the senate to make her leader. Juli was questioning why he didn't object to it given her history not suggestion that he literally allowed her to have the position.
>That implies a significant degree of control over even an 'independent' Mars. Hardly the powerless figurehead some delusional idiots here are trying to paint him as.
Wrong again dumbafuck.

Man between Okada admitting that she changed it and the original ending having Rustal pay for his war crimes it seems like all Rustalfags do nowadays is keep losing.

>>15398446
He beats the protagonists in the show with the theme of underdog protagonists beat the shit out of the comical white knights, I just simply like that.

Also I don't get the point that people ok with McGilles secretly has Alaya project, but not using Dainslaif.

Both of them are war criminal faggots, just by different cause.

>>15404495
>Man between Okada admitting that she changed it and the original ending having Rustal pay for his war crimes

Could you give me the source please?

>>15404516

>>15403964
>>15403992

>the changes were that Gaelio would take rustal's place after being killed along with Mika in the final battle. Gaelio would understand Chocolate's intentions and from inside he would cripple Rustal by exposing all his war crimes to the world. The ending was about the same with the change that Gaelio would take Rustal's place. Okada wanted to keep Akihiro Alive but she thought of giving him a heroic ending.

>>15404543

Who fucking cares. The final product is what we got, and in it, Rustal wins.

>>15404548
>R-r-r-r-r-rustal is the winner guise!
>W-w-w-w-who cares if that was't the original intention and it was brought on randomly for no reason

This is just sad

>>15404495
>He didn't allow anything you fucking idiot. It was agreed upon by the senate
What proof comes from that?
If anything the show says that Teiwaz helped get Kudelia as chairperson of the Mars govt, not some senate we can only infer through a info dump.

>>15404564
Says the guy crying about and tries to downplay what the dude got.
Bullshit end fits bullshit show, maybe next AU won't be trash.

>>15404564

Are you serious? In the actual episode that was animated and aired he won. Who cares if he lost in Mari Okada's imagination? She probably had multiple ideas for how things would go, but guess what, that's not how it happened.

Saying "he lost because Okada wanted him to lose in her original concept" is retarded. That's like saying headcanon is real.

>>15404567
A senate isn't even mentioned in the episode. >>15404495 is literally talking out of his ass.

ITT Pro-Skub Anti-Skub.

>>15404567
>If anything the show says that Teiwaz helped get Kudelia as chairperson of the Mars gov
Wrong again dumbass

>>15404600
How so?

>>15404572
>downplay what the dude got.
Don't have to since the show does that itself but you can keep going with your headcanon
>>15404576
>>the changes were that Gaelio would take rustal's place after being killed along with Mika in the final battle. Gaelio would understand Chocolate's intentions and from inside he would cripple Rustal by exposing all his war crimes to the world. The ending was about the same with the change that Gaelio would take Rustal's place.

I finally found a way to kill Rustalfags for good. Now lets see this little bitch keeping bringing up the TV ending

>>15404600

Where's the proof?

>>15404583
Actually they are Rustalfag.

>>15404607

You respond by just quoting the shit I responded to already? Again, who fucking cares what Okada wanted to do, it's not what she did. It's like if I said I'm the world's best baseball player because I wanted to play in high school, when I didn't. It didn't happen.

>>15404607
Yeah but not to the extent of muh security officers or figureheads, anon.
>ending that is non canon
>btfo
Ok.
>>15404611
Where?

>The actual ending
Through Democratic methods and cause Mars gains its independence and Kudelia gets accepted into the council to make sure everything stays the way it is now. Oh and Rustal becomes president whatever

>Rustalfag version
He becomes king of the universe and fixes everything and allows Kudelia to be part of the council. Rustal wins everything.

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>>15404613
>the changes were that Gaelio would take rustal's place after being killed along with Mika in the final battle. Gaelio would understand Chocolate's intentions and from inside he would cripple Rustal by exposing all his war crimes to the world. The ending was about the same with the change that Gaelio would take Rustal's place.

>>15404619
Well he's won my heart.

You guys should just stop responding to this retarded anti-Rustal guy because he has no argument beyond "plans are more canon than the final product" and "rustalfags btfo rustalfags btfo rustalfags btfo." Doesn't even produce any evidence or anything.

I'm done here because the goal of an argument isn't to convince retards, it's to show everyone else that he's retarded. I'm pretty sure everyone can see it now.

>>15404618
>original ending as intended
>Rustal was never a moral gray character like you keep saying
>Trying to exaggerate his "win"
when he only one an insignificant battle through illegal means
>win

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>>15404627
>the changes were that Gaelio would take rustal's place after being killed along with Mika in the final battle. Gaelio would understand Chocolate's intentions and from inside he would cripple Rustal by exposing all his war crimes to the world. The ending was about the same with the change that Gaelio would take Rustal's place.

Yes this is going to work just fine

>>15404635
>ending that got written out like Eugene betraying Tekkadan and is now a "what if"
>I can agree on your point there
>trying to downplay his win
Point being?
>>15404627
I have nothing worthwhile to do anyway.

>>15404627
This is as relevant as Amuro dying in 0079. In other words not at all.

>>15398446
>People are saying he won not because he was a good character, had a better motivation than the other side or was morally gray (he was black). They just they like Tekkadan

Says a lot really. At least Gilbertfags had a leg to stand on

>>15404664
You mean dislike?

>>15404646
>ending that got written out like Eugene betraying Tekkadan and is now a "what if"
Nope that was an early draft this was the original ending they had it mind and giving how painfully rushed that epilogue was makes sense.
>trying to downplay his win
Yay! He's a democratic president that means he has lots of power!
>>15404659
Except that was in the novels which came after the show you fucking idiot and wasn't the original ending to 0079

>>15404673
Care to point out where Okada said anything about the ending or even Rustal in that interview article?

>>15404673
So then
>the changes were that Gaelio would take rustal's place after being killed along with Mika in the final battle. Gaelio would understand Chocolate's intentions and from inside he would cripple Rustal by exposing all his war crimes to the world. The ending was about the same with the change that Gaelio would take Rustal's place.
Then got removed in the end?
>man with a lot of influence and connections becomes democratic leader of Earth's military
Wouldn't be shocked if there was an article 48 thing in the system.

>>15404682
http://g-matome.com/archives/post-31859.html
Translate this or something. I'm curious in the whole interview but that will be up eventually.

>>15404673
It doesn't matter what the original plan to anything is what matters and what we judge off is what we got. I hate to tell you this considering that it validates your hatred, but the ending we got was shit. No original intent will ever change this anymore than we'll ever get to see 00s original goals for season two.

>>15404697
So you can't?

>>15404703
I'm not him dude, I was linking to wherever that alternate end claim came from.

>>15404345
>make Julietta develop

missed opportunity desu, she got zero development basically until literally series end

>>15404351
>Rustal willingly, peacefully handed power over to Mars. That is so rare and important to the prospering of fledgling states and governments.

this. when does this EVER fucking happen? pretty refreshing desu, the world turned out sane and the villain actually turned out to not be a meme tier big bad

>>15404704
>>15404703
I checked the top of that page and dumped it into translate google translate.
Okada "Listening to Uchida (Yuuma)'s after-recording, it was said that" It's a very hero's voice. "Originally Ein's looks also said," This child, if it's another work, is not it the hero? " Tell me.
Just around where the dubbing began was the timing to think about how Ayn would like to shake the future, as I listened to the performance, the direction changed as "Ain going to do this". "

Nagai "Gaerio is also a good voice of Matsukaze (Masaya) 's person, the character standing steadily and steadily.
Originally I thought about only my friend's position in McGillis, but after all the roots are gentle people oozing out of my voice (laugh).
It was a character that grew in a different direction from what I was planning. "
Okada "Gaelio was a character rolling in an unexpected direction from the time of the first period, and it grew up without permission (laugh).
Of course, it is not that Iron Hwa is not growing, but there is a simple behavioral principle from the beginning. Growing up is also a shake.
As a reaction from the Taika, I wanted to make a character of fluctuation "and said that I entrusted it to Gaelio. "
In the case of
"Gaelio is an obsession with McGillis, there is a hunger for what he does not have.
It is the same as the Tonokado and Human debris, but I thought that I wanted to draw something like "hunger" of an individual character. "

"When I was writing the scenario of McGrill and Gaglio against Phase I, I happened to talk to Mr. Matsukaze on the scene of the after-recording.
At that time, Mr. Matsukaze said "Do you like McGillis? When I asked, "I like you" I answered
The impression and expression of the voice at that time remained in the impression so much, there is a part which wrote the scenario with reference to it. "

>>15404724
>the world turned out sane and the villain actually turned out to not be a meme tier big bad
It was simple actually, by just avoiding the mistake of the protagonist which is "bite off more than you can chew".

>>15404729
and forgot to put watever gibberish the title got translated to
[Sad news] Mari Okada screenwriter Mr. Mari Okada, revealed that he changed the screenplay because he liked a voice actor "entrusted to Gaelio"
>tfw you will never have such a heroic voice that makes edgy hags change the plot

>>15404738
Was Okada feeling the equivalent of Tomino's "pussy licking" when she heard Gali's VA voicing his character?

>>15404738
If only Gaelio actually had a heroic voice. He sounds like some small-time dodger and kind of a pussyboy.

>>15404952
His voice especially in S2 is remind me more of Wu Fei.

>>15404952
Depends really. Casual talks sure sounds heroic, anything emotional then I can say what you said.
Besides it makes sense, VA was in Tokushit I think

>>15404351
>Even if McShitter had fulfilled his promise and not just made himself King of Gjallarhorn, there's a huge difference.
Not really. Both of them don't care as long as they're in a position of power.

>Rustal willingly, peacefully handed power over to Mars
Literal fucking fanfiction. Nothing is stated that was the case. He was FORCED to play ball to save face and nothing in the show even hints that he wanted that as an end goal.

>That is so rare and important to the prospering of fledgling states and governments.
Wrong again dumbshit

>Anything McGillis accomplished would have come from rebellion. There is an inherent element of chaos and difficulties inspiring faith in the people.
Are you fucking forgetting that Rustal used WMD and hid this from the public by siding with Nobliss because that prety much destroys what little argument you have left

>>15404724
Why is it that the fanbase for IBO is filled with fucking idiots?
>>15404733
>, by just avoiding the mistake of the protagonist
Nah he just had the tools at his disposal to hide his actions hence why the original ending have him paying for his war crimes.

>>15404982
>original ending

>>15405000
t. Rustalfag

>>15405007
Care to point out at which line from the interview they're talking about this ending?

>>15403425
I was cheering for Macky. I couldn't care less for those aimless mercs

>>15403479
>tfw we get a choice to annihilate both Tekkadan and Gjallarhorn
Anon, you're making feel things I haven't felt in a long time (before I started watching this mess)

>>15405792
>Macky and Iok both died
Man the only characters I grew to enjoy got killed off.

>>15403568
But Shinn was the protagonist and Lacus was the antagonist in Destiny

>>15403610
>HE LEARNED NOTHING. HE LEARNED NOTHING AT ALL.
Story of Tekkadan

>>15403620
>People literally don't even get the message IBO was trying to tell
What a coincidence, neither did the staff

So did Mikazuki actually get character development or was he a killbot up to the end?

>>15404012
>Orgas "go forward" thing
This was always a retarded copy from Gurren Lagann that didn't make any sense in this story

>>15404303
>senate of people watching his everyone move
Where does it show that? The Roman empire had a Senate and stopped meaning jackshit from Augustus onward. We never even know what the powers of the president are in this show, so stop assuming

>>15403610
>Ride kills Rustal
>YATAII I DID IT GUYS
>Gjallarhorn kills him
>Gjallarhorn realizes Tekkadan remants might still be a threat
>Gjallarhorn hunts down and kills Kudelia because they know for a fact shes employing Tekkadan remnants
>Gjallarhorn kills Atra and her kid because hes the son of the devil
>Gjallarhorn even kills black guy and wife because they helped Tekkadan with engineering and shit
>y-yataii

>>15404314
>it's like if I was a member of the Communist party, and Stalin personally betrayed me. I would no longer have any loyalty, whatsoever, to Communism
>this meme again

>>15402665
Gjallarhorn still has a presence everywhere.

Julietta even said he could of stopped Kudelia from obtaining her position

>>15404543
I would've preferred this, desu. But Gaelio probably wouldn't have been a good leader

>>15404729
So its all Nagai's fault. noted

>>15405829
>Gjallarhorn still has a presence everywhere.
No they don't
>Julietta even said he could of stopped Kudelia from obtaining her position
No he couldn't

>>15398446
Rustal isnt a charming villian. just another power for the sake of power faggot and he was shady and underhanded. there have been times i would have been cool with the villians winning this is not one.

>>15405882
especially as the villains actions upon winning were to immediately inact the heroes plans

if he was fine with gjallahorn reform why not just capitulate at the start and neuter choco with backroom dealings instead of killing a load of people

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Rustal could have been so much better if he was portrayed as book-Stannis Baratheon gray instead of a sideways 2D Putin caricature.

>>15405859
>No they don't
it said the presence was reduced.

>No he couldn't
Lets just ignore the show then

>>15406399
There would be no plot.

IBO doesn't make a lot of sense.

>>15405882

You are describing Mc Gillis.

>>15398446
I finally understand, why this series is so heavily knight-themed. The Dainself in the English Bowmen.

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>>15398446
Went they reveal Rustal at the beginning of S2 I expected him to die near the middle of the show, look how it ended, didn’t really see that one coming

>>15398446
So does that mean he will join us in super robot wars?

>>15398800
Perhaps your perception would be different if you had seen the entire show instead of just reading the wiki.

Rustal is a Machiavellian character but not an evil character per se. He probably had some of the same ideals as McGillis since the start but couldn't implement them with the corrupt Gjallarhorn. He even probably recognizes that the surviving Tekkadan members are living well and are working with Kudelia, like he explained some episodes before the finale he just used them to gain reputation but had no real interest in killing them.

The difference between him and the McGillis and Tekkadan faction was that he was patient and knew how to work towards his goal while McGillis and Tekkadan were only brats that only knew to fight to achieve their objectives.

>>15407106
Depend, will you took the Mars route or the Venus route?

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Perhaps Rustal's change of heart had something to do with losing his adoptive son in the final battle.

>>15407193
>The difference between him and the McGillis and Tekkadan faction was that he was patient and knew how to work towards his goal while McGillis and Tekkadan were only brats that only knew to fight to achieve their objectives.

This. The old prime minister even foreshadows it during a talk with Kudelia, when he says that taking shortcuts tends to come back to bite you.

>>15407491
>Perhaps Rustal's change of heart had something to do with losing his adoptive son in the final battle.
>Implying he didn't sigh with relief.
I did it too.

>>15407601
t. space rat
A walking plot armor field does wonders despite the annoyance

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>>15407601
I don't know, he really tried to make Iok understand that he's not in a position to where he can just rush into battle and his actual responsibility is leading and inspiring others.
He really, really tried.

I suspect all Iok heard when Rustal talked was how the adults sounded in Charlie Brown.

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>>15407193
>He probably had some of the same ideals as McGillis since the start
Never implied that was the case at all
>but couldn't implement them with the corrupt Gjallarhorn
He had no reason to since he is part of the very same corruption
>He even probably recognizes that the surviving Tekkadan members are living well and are working with Kudelia, like he explained some episodes before the finale he just used them to gain reputation but had no real interest in killing them.
And this is a bunch of horseshit since another post interview revealed that they're still hunting remnants of Tekkadan
>The difference between him and the McGillis and Tekkadan faction was that he was patient and knew how to work towards his goal while McGillis and Tekkadan were only brats that only knew to fight to achieve their objectives.
Also wrong. He had all the tools at his disposal to essentially get away with his crimes in which neither McGillis and Tekkadan did. The reformation came about because the Seven Stars was disbanded and he had no choice but to make a democracy to save face, no where in the show did it imply this was his intention AT ALL he just wanted to keep his position in power.
>>15407595
And you're a fucking idiot. Rustal sided with fucking Nobliss to hid the fact that he was comitting war crimes, how the fuck is that not taking shortcuts?

>>15406502
>Lets just ignore the show then
The show isn't your fanfiction. You're just wrong

>>15408466
>how the fuck is that not taking shortcuts?
That's not a shortcut, that's cleaning up the mess.

>>15403489
Rustal replaces Dainsliefs with Spears of Longinus if IBO and Eva is in.

>>15408578
What is taking out the dainsleif other than a huge fucking shortcut toward the victory. The weapon is banned, using it is breaking the rules of warfare for an easy and fast win.

>>15404392
Episode 44 8 minutes in. His feelings and intentions towards reforming GH from within were obvious from that conversation forward.

>>15404564
Obviously the later intention meant more to her that's what they went with.

>>15409109
>Still replying to that anon who believe that his bullshit made-up ending is even exist.

>>15409102
>Episode 44 8 minutes in
Uh yes the same episodes Rustalfags always quote that says absolutely nothing

>>15410291
>Nu-uh, it doesn't count because I say it so.

Looking back at the beginning of episode 4, McGliss really is a hypocrite and chuuni. He first despised feudalism, but he was practising it when he called everyone who defies Bael as a traitor, thinking that he is a king who should be submitted to unconditionally.

When Lord BAuduin called McGliss a traiot, McGliss responded by saying that their positions will be reversed once he gets Bael, He is clearly being feudalistic and thankfully it backfires on him.

He didn't earn Bael, he did not build Bael nor did he build GHorn. He didn't earn anything aside from rallying those youngsters.He also didn't earn his position as Earth Orbit Commander by letting Carta die, but then in politics, the most ruthless and inhuman psychopaths tend to do that.

He was trying to say that Ghorn is inhuman, well he is inhuman. He is clearly a chuuni with a chip on his shoulder looking for revenge against the rich and powerful. He wasn't trying to create a better world at all.

>>15410911
episode 44