Say 1(One) Nice thing about IBO

>>15395205
I want that jacket

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some god tier designs

>>15395205
Destiny is no longer the absolute worst gundam series thanks to IBO existing
be grateful

>>15395205
It ended

The sound design is good. That's the only nice thing I can say about it.

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>>15395205
Gaelio is cutest protagonist in the history of the franchise.

Guts was best character. Gusion was best Gundam.


>>15395209
Stay delusional and save it for next season Cucksmic Era

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>>15395207
This. I loved the mecha designs for the series. I also loved that some suits would incorporate parts from others as upgrades.

>>15395205
It's better than 00.

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>>15395229
>Guts was best character.
lol
>Gusion was best Gundam.
nope but it was awesome

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>>15395233
Bullshit, fuck you

>>15395205
One of the very few where the second season was better than the first.

>>15395229
get fucked IBO cuck
yours is the worst shit ever

>>15395205
Barbatos' tail was the shit.

It sated my sudden craving for sappy melodrama.

cute guys

>>15395205
It had good OPs and EDs in s2, which is more than I can say for 00.

Adult Atra and long-haired Juleia. Older killer Ride was pretty nice too.

>>15395291
>implying AI GA AI WOOOO is worse than Ass Like Blow

Nigger I'll start an armed intervention on your tastes if you start this shit.

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>>15395205

The best girl survived.

>>15395306
I'm sorry you enjoy autotuned garbage

>>15395313
Better than those zombie moans coming out off Tomoko Kawase's mouth.

Man on a Mission, MISIA, Blue Encount, and Spyair were top tier OP and ED artist picks.

>>15395276
>I forget that I never had a tail before
Just pounding away at my werewolf fetish.

>>15395307
Her beauty is wasted. Shit character overall. Especially during the finale. Her writing was barely better than Iok's.

>>15395332
You're aware that that "zombie" did Unlimited Sky too, right?

>>15395291
If you can't accept Chiaki Ishikawa as the goddess that she is you have no purpose remaining in this world.

>>15395205
The next 50 episode series can't possibly be worse!

>>15395291
Why do you feel the need to bring 00 into this? Also Daybreaks Bell is objectively better than all IBO Op's

>>15395395
Name an opening theme better than Daybreak's Bell, though.

It's goddamn nigh impossible.

>>15395395
>Also Daybreaks Bell is objectively better than all IBO Op's
Daybreak's Bell isn't even L'arc en Ciel's best song, and both Rage of Dust and Raise Your Flag beat it out.

>>15395349
Shit in a sea of shit is no better or worse than the surrounding shit, so her being a shit character isn't really valid when the other characters are equally shit so she's just an average IBO character.

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>>15395402
>Comparing Rage of Dust or Raise Your Flag to the ear orgasm that is Daybreaks Bell

You should be beaten for this

>>15395430
Rewrite is the best of L'arc en Ciel's songs, and it's better than Daybreak's Bell and Rage of Dust and Raise Your Flag, get over it.

>>15395441
Were comparing OP's anon.

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>>15395395
>Why do you feel the need to bring 00 into this?

IBO fags have a massive inferiority complex.

When it was starting out, they felt obligated to like it because they couldn't accept the fact that they're too stupid and pleb for its predecessor, G-Reco.

Now that it's over, they're compelled to defend it because 00 is light years ahead of it as the superior 21st century Gundam series.

IBO is contrarian shitshow central.

>>15395205
I'll do you one better. I'll tell you the best thing about IBO and the worst thing.

>best
Mostly Great MS designs, focused on melee combat.

>worst
FUCKING BORING with shit characters.

>>15395430
Daybreak's Bell isn't even 00's best OP and you want to compare it to Man with a Mission and SPYAIR?

Get bent girl

>>15395205
Mika was a good static character.

>>15395445
Rewrite is an OP
of the first Full Metal Alchemist anime

>>15395453
>Mostly Great MS designs,
That's false
> focused on melee combat.
You mean melee combat that's scientifically fucking stupid since somehow all the weapons are fucking harder than the armor protecting the mobile suits which begs the question why not use the metal in the weapons to armor the mobile suits?

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>>15395205
Best ending of any recent Gundam, not even being edgy here.

>>15395469
>which begs the question why not use the metal in the weapons to armor the mobile suits?

A melee weapon doesn't need to be made of stronger material than the armor of an MS for it to hurt the MS. What are you on about?

Was it ever stated that the maces/swords/axes are made of different stronger material than the armor?

I LOVE YOU

>>15395229
Holy shit, so much shit taste in one post
>>15395291
All of KANA-BOON songs sound the same so they are pretty shit

>>15395481
You're not being edgy you just have bad taste
>>15395496
>A melee weapon doesn't need to be made of stronger material than the armor of an MS for it to hurt the MS.
Unless all you want to do is dent your weapon, yes, it does.
>Was it ever stated that the maces/swords/axes are made of different stronger material than the armor?
It's implied by the fact you see shit getting smashed, torn, and sliced by the weapons, dumbass.

>>15395505
I love you too anon

I like the 1st ED and the last ED

>>15395441
>>15395460
Rewrite is by Asian Kung Fu Generation though...

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Gusion Rebake Full City Deluxe Super Combo Limited Edition and Knuckles (Featuring Dante from Devil May Cry series) was a 10/10 design and I look forward to scissoring everything when it appears in SRW

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>>15395205
Iok Kujan died a long, painful, horrifying and drawn out death at the hands of Akihiko.
The one character that wanted to bask in glory is robbed of that opportunity right before that crucial definitive moment.
That alone made this 2 season slogfest worth it.

>>15395430
I love Daybreak's Bell, but all of the IBO OPs are more engaging... It was still cool to hear something more chill and with a bit of gravitas after the technopocalypse of CE's openings and endings.

>>15395519
>It's implied by the fact you see shit getting smashed, torn, and sliced by the weapons, dumbass.

Are you not taking into account the shape and size of the weapons being used? Barbatos used a fucking mace, a type of weapon made for smashing armors. And "dent" your swords/axes just because they;re hitting the same material? Do you not realize that it's far more complicated than "one has to be made stronger than the other"?

Otherwise you could put that argument against ANY melee combat in any MS series. "Hurr durr why dont they make the armor as good as the weapons".

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>>15395553
Mein nigger

>>15395521
i know

>>15395568
Different anon, buuuut... the fundamental issue of whether or not a weapon deflects off of armor in a melee context is one of hardness, at least when speaking of medieval warfare, which IBO takes style cues from. Hardened armors made swords worse, giving rise to hammers, stuff like that. If you couldn't pierce, you'd smash and tear, because otherwise your attacks would just bounce off the armor.

It does get more convoluted with projectiles what with the importance of pressure applied to a small enough area, admittedly. But that's a discussion for tank warfare more than anything.

>>15395505
I TRUST YOU

>>15395205
It was good to have a relatable Gundam protagonist for once.

>>15395205
raise your flag made me kek.

>>15395519
>I have never taken a class in material science before

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>>15395400
Stand up to the Victory
Men of Destiny
The Winner

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Yamagi and Takaki were cute

Best use of "White Devil" thematic approach. Most Gundam shows have had a scene or three highlighting how scary it is to fight a Gundam. The Living Dead soldiers reacting to Io's Gundam in Thunderbolt, the eerie shot of muzzle flash flickering on Kyrios's face when (H)Allelujah destroyed that cyber-newtype hospital, that one terrified Zaku pilot shimmying down the leg of his Zaku in the original series, etc. But no one has really played it up this much as an unnatural killing machine except maybe Devil Gundam itself. The violence from Mikazuki doesn't come across as artistically skillful like a cliche ninja master or Kira's implausibly accurate beamspam, but rather as horrible, frightening savagery. The show doesn't glorify war and combat even though the main characters themselves do. When you watch Mikazuki fight, you don't wish that such things are real, you're glad they're not.

>>15395735
>Men of Destiny
>The Winner

Different anon here,
I'll give you those. I don't know where I rate them in order, but they are good. Never got into most parts of Victory though. Some of the suit designs are neat I guess. It was harder to slog through than ZZ personally and still haven't finished it.

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This, I'm happy Gaelio cleared his conscience and was finally able to let go of Ein and McGillis.

>>15395205
IBO's final ED is my most favorite ED in all gundam

It made Seed tolerable.

Was their anything good about IBO besides some of the mech designs?

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I liked the rats

>>15395205
Gaelio going full-on Count of Monte Cristo and succeeding at completely ruining McGillis's life is fucking great.

>>15395777
music

neat tech shit that we haven't seen since Gundam 00, but alas it's all in side materials that /m/ doesn't have as many anons to translate anymore.

>Ahab Reactors

Invented by Ahab Balaena, and manufactured near fixed stars, Ahab Reactors utilize artificially generated vacuum elements, capable of creating enormous energy output that can power mobile suits and even battleships. These reactors are capable of generating gravitational fields corresponding to the output in the center of the reactor when a phase transition occurs. An "Ahab Wave" is generated when Ahab Particles collapse immediately after occurrence, splitting into elementary particles like neutrinos and muons that flies at its surroundings at high speed. This wave can extend to a maximum radius of 10 km, causing disruption in wireless communication and even radar, rendering guided weaponry useless. Ahab Reactors are impossible to destroy physically due to its constant Ahab Particle generation. For this reason, many reactors made during the Calamity War are still active and functioning. Each Ahab Reactor has a unique wave signature and this can be used to identify specific mobile suits.

interesting world/lore

>>15395808

Ahab Reactors are physically impossible to destroy in addition to the material of MS Frames being already extremely difficult to damage. For this reason most "destroyed" ms are actually only damaged in the cockpit area or have severed limits because the pilot can be crushed, but the mobile suit will still exist. Because of that, most of the remaining parts would still function without problems. After battles, the remains of the enemy MS are usually gathered and sold through illegal channels.

>>15395205
>sick ass robots
>some genuinely good fights
>fights made a lot of cool CLANGCLANGCLANG noises
>music was pretty good
>Shino and Akihiro were cool
>Laser birb was cool

Would've been just an average show for me overall, but the ending cemented it as bad.

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Full of opportunities

>>15395209
AGE already took that spot.

>>15395307
Worst girl survived.

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>>15395205
Eugene is sexy

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Great non-traditional Gundam designs.

It kept ALMOST being good. From start to finish. I've never seen a more consistently almost fun show.

>>15397033
literally screams tryhard

Vidar and Kimaris did their own thing and still looks good

>>15395568
>Are you not taking into account the shape and size of the weapons being used? Barbatos used a fucking mace, a type of weapon made for smashing armors
And how the fuck does the Barbatos swing that massive mace fast enough for it to even do any damage? Are its arms going fucking Mach 1 every time it swings? Do you fags forget kinetic energy is 1/2(mass * velocity ^2)? It doesn't matter what the weapon is if the fucking suit shouldn't be able to swing it fast enough to actually produce enough energy to damage anything. Also everything this guy said >>15395628
>Otherwise you could put that argument against ANY melee combat in any MS series. "Hurr durr why dont they make the armor as good as the weapons".
Except I do make that argument when physical melee weapons are involved in other series, and even beam weapons like beam sabers cutting shit clean through in seconds as if shit like Luna Titanium melts that quickly. You fucking act like any criticism against IBO runs in a vacuum and is never used against other Gundam series.
>>15395725
>says the fag who actually hasn't.

>>15395205
The Soundtrack is great, and so are most of the suit designs.

>>15395808
>neat tech shit that we haven't seen since Gundam 00
>quotes some retarded shit that doesn't make any sense
Even Minvosky reactors made some sense as in they were partially based on the (now defunct) hypothesis of muon-cataylized cold fusion, substituting the muon with the Minovsky particle, and GN reactors even attempted some ideas with quantum physics and field energy driving the GN drives.

>>15395448
Agreed. IBOfags are either some of the most delusional anons or the worst shitposters. They'll go on and on about how "realistic" it is, when the Gundams are just as overpowered if not more as in other shows, just because there's shitty kinetic fights. They'll praise the fights as great just on this reason alone, when every fight other than maybe the first few fights and the last couple of fights looked like shit.

Whenever people criticize the show, they never properly defend it. They'll either jack themselves off to how "realistic" it is (It's not) or how it's trying something new and breaking Gundam cliches (which half the time they're not the first to do and the other half of the time when it actually does, it's so poorly implemented that the supposedly tired out cliche seems alot better).

When the IBOfag doesn't do that, they always jump to accusing it of not being as bad as some show the retard wants to shit on (G-Reco, 00, Zeta, 0080, SEED, Destiny, AGE, A/Z, VVV, etc.) Some of the times it's true, but it's never an excuse for the IBO's shortcomings.

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Vidar was literally the only thing good about this show. Probably my favorite Gundam design so far. Bael is sexy as shit but was kind of underwelmed by it in action.

>>15395205
>Say 1(One) Nice thing about IBO
It's going to be hilarious watching trolls lose their shit when it gets into SRW.

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>>15395205
I got nothing, sorry. Shino was a good boy and had a cool gundam. Both were massacred, so that kind of nullified that.

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>>15395400
ANIME JA NAI.
also best gundam op.
Almost all gundam opening are top tier but this one is just the best.

>>15395205
Its over.

>>15395207
All it has is the Barbartos, Bael, and Vidar/Kimaris.

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>>15395233

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I actually liked the Gundam designs, exposed midsections and all.

But then they had to ruin even that by turning the god-tier Vidar into this piece of shit.

>>15395306
Ash like Snow and Daybreak's Bell were both fantastic. Also loved Friends and Prototype as far as EDs go.

>>15395307
But Gaelio is going to fatten her up since he likes THICC.

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>>15397295
>not liking Ein's final form, the Choco Killer

Questionnable taste my kazoku

>>15395893

Yes Kudelia survived, we know.

>>15397266
>Forgetting grimgerde, helmwige, GALAXY CANNON and the chadman rodi.
A lot of people liked the Grazes, but I wasn't a fan of them, except for schwalbe who was pretty cool.

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>>15397304
Trooper was better, I liked that centaur thing it had going on.

>>15397314
I was ambivalent toward the Grazes in general. They come off so generic to me they neither offended nor impressed me.

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>>15397362
That was what I waz saying I don't like them that mich except for Schwalbe.
I just thought it was worth mentioning that others really seemed to like it.

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>>15395207
Just a white wannabe 1.5/Reborns Gundam.

>>15397279
Setsuna Gendum asshole Seiei DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

>>15397413
>>15395207
I can actually see it.

>>15395205
I'm struggling to be impartial about my feelings on IBO with either season 2 or in general the whole package. The honest to god terrible pacing, lack of impetus in the story, large run of nothing happening most of season 1, the predictacvbility of introducing really bad angst and drama with Akihiro's brother and killing him off the next episode, as well as the general lack of the space debris arc mattering in the overall plot kind of baffles me why Okada had this in the story. Dorts was also pretty bad, Gjallarhorn most of season 1 ignoring Gaelio and McGillis were criminally incompetent.

Adding to this that the entire purpose of season 1 was pushing a theme that Tekkadan are youths fighting against powerful manipulative adults doesn't really fly when the protagonists are smashing through enemies who can't hold their own and never come off intimidating or powerful in the first place. Was never sold on any of the MS designs with their over-exposed torsos and mid-sections, the clang clang fights, Studio 3 pulling a Toei all season with bad animation, and season 2 only having a token increase in fights and the quality that follows it.

>>15395205
>Say 1(One) Nice thing about IBO

It's finally over.

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>>15397425

>>15397428
Yeah ibo was great

>>15395205
>Say 1(One) Nice thing about IBO

It created a lot of deliciously assblasted crybabies that treat it as the worst thing ever.

>>15397443
0/10

>>15395205
Ended.

>>15395886
Cool kids to hate Destiny.

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>>15395205
Iok-sama

>>15395205

Gave us dirt cheap kits perfect for kitbashing.

>>15397444
t. /a/nn

>>15397413
>designed by the same guy

are you one of those people that says the O Gundam is a wannabe RX-78-2

>>15397462
Washio designed Bael while Ebikawa designed its cockpit.

>>15397462
What's with this retarded non-sequitur? I'm well aware of Ebikawa's role in IBO but he didn't even design most of the Bael.

>>15395205
>only one
Handled the psychology of a character who was sexually abused as a child in an accurate yet subtle way
Wrapped audiences up in Takkadan's groupthink using Orga's charisma so they could understand from an insider's perspective why its so hard to leave such a group
Mika's character was able to show how how empty a disadvantaged child can be through his growth as a person in areas that people take for granted in themselves as natural things everyone has. He learns how to love, how to show affection, what a family means, to care about whether the people around him live or die, and the value of consoling a dying friend.
Because their personalities are similar Juliet does a great job of showing that, despite how much Mika has grown, he is still very empty compared to an ordinary girl like her.
The series does a good job at keeping to traditional tragic storytelling structure throughout. The rise, the fall, and the chance at salvation missed because of an inability to overcome and change a character flaw are all there.

It does many things excellently. One of the most interesting Gundam series.

>>15397484
>One of the most interesting Gundam series.
then why was it so boring and a slog to catch up with?

>>15397493
Because the animation isn't expressive enough outside of mobile suits, the Akihiro/human debris subplot was poorly executed at times and wasn't fleshed out enough, and because some scenes go beyond foreshadowed and become telegraphed.

>>15397468
The cockpit was so sexy

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Yamagi and Shino.

>>15397484
Christ you are so wrong I want to fucking sexually abuse you.

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>>15397016
If I was Kudelia he wouldn't have time to run around because I would milk him dry in my office desk ever hour.

>>15397016
>liking ripoff Graham Aker

>>15397818
Faggots deserve to die.

>>15397969
Then how come you haven't killed yourself yet?

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>>15397903
I can't help it, they're both my type

>>15397894
doujins of this when

>>15397976
Sorry IBO scum, I'm not the thirsty for cock and fujoshi pandering like your ilk. You sudoku yourself first.

It's not as bad as Frozen Teardrop with it's Hologram Zechs and ending on an awful poem

No "understanding" BS

>>15398015
FT is better then IBO senpai. Even CA and VVV are better then this.

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>>15397977
Why is Graham so attractive?

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>>15398050
FREEDOM

>>15395546
I was so skeptical of the butt scissors but damn did they become the most hype moments of the series.

>>15397894
I don't understand how him and Yamagi aren't fucking, Shino's death brought them closer and no man could resist Yamagi.

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>>15398050
I don't know, but he's so dumb it makes me want to take care of him

>>15398067
>me mum's gardening shears
They're alright though since they got major kills.
More of a fan of the KV drill knees considering I doubted how cool they were

>>15398130
Graham was never dumb.

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>>15398168
You're telling me this wasn't dumb?

I like its look at how people can be bound to their painful past even when given an out.

>>15398096
IBO S2 was never big on staying consistent with the established relationships between the guys in Tekkadan. I would like to believe Eugene is keeping a protective eye on Yamagi so Chad doesn't turn him into an alcoholic.

>>15398168
Not in S1, no.

>>15398294
>he's bad in season 2
>ignoring the fact he's just wearing a mask
>and the entire weabooism he has in the final half of season 1 even having his fucking GN-OverFlag look like a samurai
>or before that during the fight with Michael where he's spouting nonsense about Asura and surpassing blades of warriors

>>15397969
>faggot lives
>bi bro dies
The show disagrees with you. Faggot.

>>15398313
>he's bad in season 2
Annoying as hell too.

>ignoring the fact he's just wearing a mask
With double the Gundam hateboner autism.

>and the entire weabooism he has in the final half of season 1 even having his fucking GN-OverFlag look like a samurai
And then proceeded to double KO a powered down Exia with his buff as fuck Flag.

>or before that during the fight with Michael where he's spouting nonsense about Asura and surpassing blades of warriors
And then he lobs off a Gundam's arm with a bog standard Flag.

In S2 he, and Ali for that matter, are reduced to some IBO tier jobbers, and unlike Ali, Graham isn't even threatening anymore.

>>15395233
True

>>15398439
>Over-Flag
>bog standard Flag
Thanks for outing your retardation. Over-Flags were all customized, tuned up, and essentially ace models from the standard Flag thanks to Professor Elfman. The GN Over-Flag Graham uses against Setsuna's powered down post TRANS-AM Exia was further tuned and improved to use the fake GN/Tau Drive by Billy in the finale of season 1.

>Annoying as hell too.
Nope.
>Double Gundam hateboner autism
Meme buzzwords, neato.
>Buff as fuck
It was tuned and upgraded solely to use the Fake GN/Tau Drive. Couldn't transform into MA mode or do anything else except wield the Zwei's GN saber and had to have a physical connection to provide the power to use it in the first place.

You are literally retarded and need to kill yourself.

>Ali
>jobber in season 2
>needs to have his suit turned off after CB steals back Veda from Ribbons
>"jobbing"
Neck yourself.

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>>15395205
It promotes sex with minors. I suppose some people here consider that good.

>>15398314
All of his friends are dead. His gay lover is dead, Tekkadan accomplished next to nothing. Bisexuals are huge faggots too regardless. Probably ends up living the rest of his shitty life with PTSD off-screen I bet.

Mika plowed Kudelia so hard he got her fucking seiyuu pregnant TOP FUCKING KEK

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>>15398481
>All of his friends are dead
We only see Yamagi be friendly with Bro Mechanic, Takaki and Eugene and they are alive.

No doubt he feels sad and probably cries in his sleep thinking of what could have been with Shino, but at leas he can rebound with Eugene or Chad.

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>>15395205
I genuinely really liked Macky and Mika a lot. Barbatos and Bael were both beautiful too.

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>>15398481
Stay bitter faggot. Yamagay lived on to become a beautiful, healthy young man cherished by everyone around him. His closest friends are all still alive and he has the second best boy Eugene for a rebound. Life is good!

So what happened to Setsuna at the end of Trailblazer?

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>>15398580

Became half human half alien half gundam. He's also immortal and doesn't age.

>>15398464
He jobbed pretty badly to Setsuna a few times. One particular instance where he shot him and STILL lost to him afterwards.

And for some reason they never thought to install Trans Am into his suit. Also his close combat specialised suit still ended up losing limbs to Cherudim of all Gundams to be losing limbs to.

>>15398586
Best ending for a Gundam protagonist?

>>15398625
Pretty much gets to live the rest of his infinite life with the very thing he loves most Gundam, I bet the ELS DNA lets him do whatever he wants.

>>15398623
That was the only time Ali lost to Setsuna in season 1 you moron. They never fought each other again afterwards. And Ribbons was scared shittless of Ali's powress which is confirmed in the novels and the MSV for 00 why the Arche never got the Trans-AM system despite Ali being his personal enforcer to keep the other Skittle Squadron Innovades in line.

You should really kill yourself.

>losing limbs to Cherudim
Lyle's entire style is fucking gun-kata and he didn't even beat Ali despite that. Once more, if you actually stopped pulling shit out of your ass with your constant lies you'd remember that the fight only ended after the Arche was forcibly shut down just like with all the Gagas after Tieria and Regene took control back of VEDA from Ribbons.

You don't watch the show.
Stop lying.

>>15398648
*in season 2

Hell, its even outright indicated in the episode that Ali is freaking out why his Gundam suddenly is turned off and then Lyle starts dismembering it once its powered down. Literally no point in this fight prior was Lyle winning, just holding out.

>previous scene even shows the Cherudim getting based into a wall by the Arche

And the only other time Ali lost a fight was when the TRANS-AM system made a debut late in season 1 after Ribbons and Connor tripped Aeolia's system trap.

>>15398623
Setsuna and Ali fought like half a dozen times. Both times that Setsuna won its because he pulled out Trans-AM which shouldn't have off-set being shot in the shoulder with a poisoned GN bullet made to turn him into another meat puppet to control like Ribbons did with the drugs for Louise.

Outside of that, he never jobbed.

>killed Regene's physical body
>raped Nena
>had to have his suit turned off for Lyle to pull a win in a fight that was going in Ali's favor

Jobbing indicates a character losing fights they shouldn't without factoring outside involvement or other factors intervening. Besides the example with Setsuna being shot by Ali, the former still had to use Trans-AM system on the 00 and the example with Lyle and his final fight doesn't qualify. And like the other anon mentioned, the only fight Setsuna won against him in the first season 1 was Trans-AM literally becoming a plot device to save him from being killed by Ali after he jacked the Zwei which he wasn't even 100% used to piloting.

>>15398522
>>15398515
>rebounding with Eugene or Chad
Isn't his wearing pink enough of a hint that Yamagi considers himself Shino's property? The guy's gonna die a virgin.

>>15398515
> not doing it with Takaki

>>15398698
I doubt he will ever stop loving Shino, but he has to move on eventually. Someone from Tekkadan probably would make a good choice since they'll be able to respect a part of Yamagi will always love Shino.

>most IBO fans are bisexual or gay

This explains a lot.

1(One) Nice thing about IBO

>>15395205
No sequel hook.

V I D A R
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>>15398464
Wew lad

>Thanks for outing your retardation. Over-Flags were all customized, tuned up, and essentially ace models from the standard Flag thanks to Professor Elfman. The GN Over-Flag Graham uses against Setsuna's powered down post TRANS-AM Exia was further tuned and improved to use the fake GN/Tau Drive by Billy in the finale of season 1.

It's like if Char managed to cut off the Gundam's arm in his Zaku II, it's still damn impressive especially compared to anything he didn't pull in S2.

>Nope.
Wrong.

>Meme buzzwords, neato
Thank you, they are Hugh Mungus.

>It was tuned and upgraded solely to use the Fake GN/Tau Drive. Couldn't transform into MA mode or do anything else except wield the Zwei's GN saber and had to have a physical connection to provide the power to use it in the first place.

In other words, it was a Flag custom made to take down a Gundam, and it did so with flying colors.(A buffed up Flag, if you will)

>Ali
>jobber in season 2
>needs to have his suit turned off after CB steals back Veda from Ribbons
>"jobbing"

>Only reason Setsuna didn't kill him in S2 was because Marina's song compelled him to stop fighting

Maybe it wasn't jobbing, but it's definitely plot armor, which is ironic considering he negated other character's plot armor in S1.

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>>15399256
>Wew lad
Not a rebuttal.
>Its like if [snip for red herring that addresses nothing]
Also not an argument and a failed example at that.
>Thank you
I guess? I'm just enjoying how much you have no idea of what you are talking about.
>It was a Flag custom
Yes
>made to take down a Gundam
Not really no. Considering it couldn't use its MA, transform, mount or use any other weapons, and had to have a physical rigging connecting its cable from the fake GN Drive/solar furnace to the beam saber, it was a one-shot unit that got lucky to face a powered down Exia after Setsuna used TRANS-AM to beat Connor. So in other words, you are wrong.
>plot armor
Except its not. You are just misusing terms and words without actually applying any sense or reasoning to whatever your saying. Lyle wins his fight with Ali because Ali is handicapped from not having TRANS-AM and Gen 4 Gundams being essentially dolls with GN particles flowing through them so even taking down several limbs doesn't necessitate a win, you even see the Cherudim's severed leg still pumping out GN particles.

Ali had to be crippled in that regards, get his suit shut down which was tied and connected to VEDA (as we knew as season 2 repeatedly referenced and told us that the Innovades and A-Laws are EXTREMELY dependent on it after hijacking it from Celestial Being), and even then was matching and pushing Lyle until it got powered down.

The closet thing to plot armor you go even argue is Ali losing his gun duel with Lyle considering he managed to out-react superhuman genetically modified clones like the Trinities yet failed to against a relatively "normal" human like Lyle and even that's fucking debatable because Ali had a wound in a side and was clearly suffering from blood loss.

So tl ; dr, Ali lost because the plot worked against him to make it so Lyle could scrap a win by having his suit taken from him not because he kept losing fights without any other factors outside of that.

>>15399284
>>15399256
>>15398464
>>15398439
>>15398313
What this guys are talking about?what i need to know before watching LOGH

>>15398586
Part man. Part alien. All Gundam.

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>>15399284
Getting way to hot in here

>Not a rebuttal.
Not an argument.

>Also not an argument and a failed example at that.
>Char's Zaku II
>Custom Zaku with better stats

>Over Flag
>Custom Flag with better stats

Seems pretty valid to me.

>I guess? I'm just enjoying how much you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Now you're being mean, I'm having fun, why aren't you?

>Yes
We're getting somewhere.

>Not really no. Considering it couldn't use its MA, transform, mount or use any other weapons, and had to have a physical rigging connecting its cable from the fake GN Drive/solar furnace to the beam saber, it was a one-shot unit that got lucky to face a powered down Exia after Setsuna used TRANS-AM to beat Connor. So in other words, you are wrong.
Graham denied sorting in a GN-X because he wanted to prove to the world that a Flag could take down a Gundam, on top of getting revenge for his fellow Fag Fighters. And he did just that.

>Long ass rant about Ali vs. Lockon the Second
That fight was bullshit for different reasons, but that is not related to Ali getting spared because of Marina's broadcasted autism.

>>15399351
Watch the My Conquest is the Sea of Stars movie, followed by Overture to a New War and then the main 110 episodes OVA.

I think I speak for everyone on /m/, yes even for Mr. KPSA supporter over here, that it's highly recommended.

I would post the chart, but as you can see, I'm in quite a pickle over here.

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>>15399496
>Not an argument
You didn't give an argument there, so there's nothing to give a rebuttal to in the first place, dummy.
>Over Flag
>Custom Flag with better stats
Those stats stopped mattering when the installed fake Solar Furnance/GN Tau Drive prevents it from performing 90% of its normal functions, any other weapons, and only has limited sorting time and combat capabilities. On top of which nothing indicates it has a dramatic increase in performance or even a noticeable one. The only damage Graham ever did to any Gundam in season 1 was using a GN beam saber against GN powered Mobile Suits. So the example you tried and push with Char's Zaku to Graham's Flag is completely nonsensical.
>I'm having fun
You're having fun by lying and being disingenuous about events in 00 to promote a false narrative which you are shitposting about here in the first place.
>Graham denied sorting in a GN-X
This has no correlation with the performance or status of the GN Over-Flag. Your original argument was the GN Flag was some kind of one-off super prototype Flag on the same tech field as the Exia because it had a GN Tau Drive literally ducktapped to it. You were proven wrong on this, concede your claim.
>Ali getting sparred nonsense
That also wasn't the topic we were discussing. You claimed Ali existed solely in season 2 along with Graham to "jobber" other characters. I proved your argument wrong given in-depth examples from season 2. Stop moving the goal posts here.

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>>15399527
>You didn't give an argument there, so there's nothing to give a rebuttal to in the first place, dummy.
S1 Graham is a cool guy, while S2 Graham plays mahjong with NotTitans' Ken-Sama all day long. There, you literally and figuratively cannot refute this.

>Those stats stopped mattering when the installed fake Solar Furnance/GN Tau Drive prevents it from performing 90% of its normal functions, any other weapons, and only has limited sorting time and combat capabilities.
They did matter when he chopped the Throne Eins arm before it became the GN Flag HG when Bandai?
>On top of which nothing indicates it has a dramatic increase in performance or even a noticeable one. The only damage Graham ever did to any Gundam in season 1 was using a GN beam saber against GN powered Mobile Suits.
It still managed to wreck the Exia, which is more than any S1 MS can say. It was purpose built to fight it after all.
>So the example you tried and push with Char's Zaku to Graham's Flag is completely nonsensical.
Zaku II Commander Type = Over Flag I will stand by this statement.

>You're having fun by lying and being disingenuous about events in 00
My lore isn't what it could be, I admit.
>to promote a false narrative which you are shitposting about here in the first place.
But this is uncalled for.

>This has no correlation with the performance or status of the GN Over-Flag.
Considering the GN Flag is still a Flag, it's probably not as efficient as a GN-X. Heck of a lot cooler than it though, of that at least can we agree?
>Your original argument was the GN Flag was some kind of one-off super prototype Flag on the same tech field as the Exia because it had a GN Tau Drive literally ducktapped to it.
My argument was that it was built to take down the Exia, there's probably quite a gap in tech level between them. Making Graham's feat even more impressive.
>You were proven wrong on this, concede your claim.
Never.

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>>15399809
I am making the mother of all rants here

>That also wasn't the topic we were discussing. You claimed Ali existed solely in season 2 along with Graham to "jobber" other characters. I proved your argument wrong given in-depth examples from season 2. Stop moving the goal posts here.

I dropped the jobber angle and raised you a song powered plot armor instead, I made no effort to hide this. You didn't cite those examples to me BTW that was another anon don't be mad at him

Also, while we're at it, can you riddle me this?

Do you recommend Shin Mazinger?

>>15399809
>S1 Graham is a cool guy, while S2 Graham plays mahjong with NotTitans Ken-Sama
Literally the same character. With the same motivations, with the same personality, with the same views between season 1 and season 2 with only a mask. Like I said before, you are retarded and completely ignored the change he went through the last third of 00's first season. Hence why you were cherrypicking like a retard ignoring what contradicts your claim of his "personality shift".
>They did matter when he chopped the Throne Eins arm
With the Ein's own GN Beam saber. Is this the part you keep neglecting to mention and ignore. The only damage Graham ever did was by removing all the safey compensators, nearly killing himself with sheer acceleration and mach force in his Over-Flag by disarming Michael and cutting off the Ein's arm with its own GN beam saber. The Over-Flag has no capacity to harm Gundam Thrones/Meisters outside of pilot fatigue.
>Zaku II Commander Type = Over-Flag
>I will stand by this statement.
I don't care because you thinking its true won't make it true. The only equality the two share are both being high-end mobile-suits for aces that can't harm their universe's Gundams on their own at all.
>I admit
Good.
>This is uncalled for.
Nah, its pretty patently true.
>Considering the GN Flag is still a Flag
The GN Flag is Graham's Over-Flag Custom with a GN Tau Drive strapped to it. Which leads to it not being able to use its mobile armor mode, any ranged weapons, removal of its linear-rifle standard or heavy Graham variant (200mm triple rifle), and needs a physical cable between the GN Beam Saber and the GN Tau Drive because the GN Flag can't provide that power through the Mobile Suit's own frame. Where are you getting it got upgraded? This falls under the same point I made earlier in this post that the only time he damaged a Gundam is...using its own weapon against it.

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>>15399960
Continued
>>15399809
>My argument was it was built to take down the Exia
It wasn't. The GN Flag was Billy slapping the GN Tau Drive meant for the remaining sole GN-X to give Graham his symbol of the Flag's power in the face of the world and what the Gundams represented. But it was not designed in a literal sense to specifically take down the Exia. At all.
>Making Graham's feat more impressive.
It makes it impressive because he's using a technologically inferior mobile suit given stop-gap increase with a single melee weapon that can hurt said Gundam in the off-chance the Exia has reduced power and performance after over-using its Trans-AM to beat a more powerful and advanced mobile suit (Connor).
>Never.
Well you can keep arguing, I'll keep pointing out why you are not correct over and over in the thread if I have to.
>I dropped the jobber angle and raised you a song powered plot armor instead
That's not plot armor. As memory recalls unless my memory has gotten really faded, Ali attempted to hold a civilian jet airliner hostage, Setsuna uses Trans-AM to damage the Arche, song plays, he hesitates for a short moment and Ali is able to successfully use his escape pod to get away.

>Shin Mazinger
Sure if you like crabstick subs.

i need chemo after this thread

>>15395205
I like how the last ending always cut in at the wrong(best) moments

>>15399980
I need chemo after IBO in general.

>>15395448
It's fucking hilarious how they were defending the show like their life depended on it up until it's last moments because Rustal won and their favorite pedophile chunni lost
It's just find it hilarious that they changed their mind so easily

>>15397143
I'm in agreement, the designs of the mobile suits are pretty interesting, The problem was that some of the best designs were used as backdrops to someone talking, and Vidar was criminally underused, and Bael was pretty shit for the #1 Gundam, I mean it can fly, and that's all it did, and be a plot device for choco to rant and rave in.

Metal Gear RAY was pretty cool, if pointless in the long run.

>>15395205
I enjoyed it

>>15397143
Vidar and the upgraded version were pretty good but the Bael was a disappointment.

>>15395205
better than g-shitco

>>15395205
The good guys won.

>>15395205
Mace-chan was awesome.

>>15395205
Best AU

>>15395205
Barbatos Lupus

>>15403997
-5/10

>Watch first episode.
I bet they all die in the end.
>Watch last episode.
I dont know what else I was expecting.

>>15395205

it's an excellent pleb filter

>>15395205
>good universe setup
>cool idea of following just some merc company scrapping together shit at least initially
>mostly great mecha, including mobile workers, etc
>re: mecha, Grazes and other grunt suits were almost uniformly cool as hell
>gundams are ancient war machines with some degree of mystery around them that can only be disabled, not truly destroyed

>>15395205
I like the jacket.
Interesting use of tire screeches.
It was nice to have an openly brutal protagonist for once.

>>15395205
I can now remove a whole bunch of shows on my to-watch list backlog now that I know what complete hacks Nagai and Okada are. Thanks for letting me know, IBO!