IBO Final

>>15385025
Yap

>>15385025
Sums it up pretty well.

Where'd you watch the episode? I can't find it online yet.

>>15385214
Don't watch it, in fact hit your head and pretend the series never existed.

>>15385214
Horriblusubsu has it already.

What happened to Almiria and Iznario?

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>>15385025
Pretty much. But gotta give some love to non-Gyoubu designs as well. IBO's mecha designs were all around pretty good. and equally wasted

>>15385227
Nothing.

>>15385227
We don't know.

what a trainwreck series...
the last 4-5 episode its just trainwreck..

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>MFW Ending

>>15385025
So basically, they just killed off every meaningful character in this series just so it won't continue for S3. I'm fine with that.

Damn Rustal was a good guy afterall?
why didnt he just communicate with chocoman?
Damn politics is really dirty.

>>15385316
Gaelio survived.

>>15385327
>Implying McGillis was a good guy.

>>15385327
>Use illegal weapons to wipeout enemy that asked to surrender for display of power

It's okay when Rustal uses it

Is monkey still alive?

>>15385337
>Killing off a self-insert

Reminder that Rustal Elion is /ourguy/.

>>15385337

Will probably succeed Rustal and wins the Gaeliobowl. Better hairstyle too.

>>15385335
>It's okay because those deaths improved the world
Did you watch the fucking episode?

>>15385337
his the one who shot himself in the head right?

>>15385328
Called it.

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>>15385348
Now that's a happy ending if I ever saw one.

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What did she mean by this?

>>15385363

Oh and she got to pierce Barbatos' severed head with her sword and hold it up while holding a victory speech.

I would be so mad if I didn't like her.

>>15385367
whats their age gap?
10 years?

>>15385367
I can't tell you. This is a blue board anon.

>>15385025
>Rustal survives and implements Choco's reforms, becomes first earth president
>Julietta is the hero who vanquished the Devil of Tekkadan
>Iok got crushed by Akihiro
>Gaelio survived and is dating Julietta
>Kudelia is now the president of Mars
>most of Tekkadan is split between working for Arbrau, the new Mars Union, Kudelia's company and Zack's company
>Ride and the other brats are still militant assholes and cap Nobliss
>Atra is living with Kudelia, Cookie and Cracker and presumably have daily /ss/ orgies with Mikazuki's son

I don't see what's there to complain about, this was literally the best possible way to end things considering what they had to work with. At most I get that people are mad that Monkey beat Mika but what did they expect? Guy was exhausted and dying and the Barbatos was in pieces.

>>15385355
I wish I didn't.

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>>15385367

Based Gali thinks should do with more meat on her.

>>15385373
Fucking Gaelio, I swear.

Honestly the worst thing about this entire series is that big old monster long-arms Lupus Rex never runs on all fours.

Damn shame.

>>15385355
A war crime is a war crime is a war crime

>>15385401
i bet he consult the other gallarhorn members before taking action

Good thing we got a perfect finale fight. NOT

>>15385227
They fugged

>inb4 Iznario is only after blonde boys

why is Ride cosplaying as Setsuna?

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>>15385392
>Iok got crushed by Akihiro

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>>15385025
What a waste of character!!!

>>15385423
HIS WISHES OVER THEIR AIRSPACE!

>>15385392
I think that people would have less problems with the ending if the writers had actually hinted that Rustal wanted reform this whole time.They spent the whole show showing him to be someone who would uphold a corrupt system at any cost, then in the last episode make him into a reformer?

>>15385426
>>15385425
Uh, why did Akihiro wants to kill Pajeet-sama?

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>>15385426
>IOK-SAMA!!!!!!!

>>15385432
To get a kill at last.

>>15385432
because of the name he remembered. I think it was because of the MA story arc.

>>15385392
I'm fine with the things that happened.

What I'm not fine with is the way it was framed. As much as I enjoyed that sequence, Mika giving into bloodlust shouldn't be accompanied with triumphant battle music. Rustal shouldn't have been portrayed as a one note villain when he clearly had relatively good intentions in mind. Julia shouldn't be glorifying Tekkadan the way she did. I'm fine with her maybe respecting them as soldiers or warriors, but not as "the most human out of us all". That's just fucked up. and not in a good way.

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>>15385426
>IOK-SAMAAAAAAAAA!!!!

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>>15385426
>NOOOOOOOO!!!! IOK-SAMA, DON'T DIIIIEEEE!!!!

>>15385432
>got Turbines killed
>caused MA buisness which led to this current predicament
>>15385426
Literally just a dumbass to move the plot for its stupid bittersweet end.
I like him

Can I just apologize for not believing you people?
This show turned out as bad as you sad it is, and then it got even worse.

>>15385432
Hes in cahoots with space pimp

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This was basically the perfect ending.

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So Tekkadan won?

>>15385392
The whole series was about nothing. The premise as orphans going out to seek their fortune or change the world. Instead they got fukked hard as cannon fodder, so much cannon fodder till the ones killing them ran out of ammo, and had to change the world because of that.

Its shit tier writing. Had so much potential at the start, no crybaby main, no jeezus main, just a bunch of psychotic child soldiers.

At the very least, could have been about them finding their humanity or some shit, but this ending was just fucking shit and lazy. The whole S2 was fucking shit and lazy. First lot was them killing some beard, then mafia killing, then getting killed. Fucking lame shit.

>>15385493
Precisely.

>>15385327
Choco was a radical.

Rustal won his way by maintaining Galljarhorn's credibility and transitioned into a democracy from there when the three crappy families fell.

>>15385495
>The whole S2 was fucking shit and lazy. First lot was them killing some beard, then mafia killing, then getting killed. Fucking lame shit.

This.

They never established the main plot of Season 2. It was just a collection of story arcs half-assed put together in a season.

>>15385327
Rustal represents pragmatic justice.

Choco used muh Bael and hoped to coerce everyone through purported absolute power.

>>15385355
>it's okay because those deaths improved the world
lol

>>15385426
Gllajarhorn is not all bad.

Iok was the bad, Rustal was the good.

Choco was just dumb not to seek allies from the inside and just assumed that Rustal holding the strongest power was the bad guy.

This show is anti revolutionary literature.

>>15385524
>human debris outlawed
>honest lives for all of them
>Mars is independent
>Babies
Seems like it was a good consequence, could've been worse.

What was Kudelia's ulterior motive with the Augus child?

>You will never live in a little farmhouse with Atra & Kudelia as your lesbian moms and Cookie & Cracker as your teasing big sisters

DID GUTS LIVE!?

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He didn't deserve such a shitty end. He was the only one who genuinely cared about his underlings and respected his superiors. He only ever fought for justice and honor, even if he was a little dense. Only to be killed by some animal who found his way into a cockpit.

Too pure for this world it seems.

>>15385543
Anon, I...

>>15385543
No

>>15385543
He got gangbanged after crushing Iok-sama with Gusion Bakesale Full Shitty's giant pliers.

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>>15385545
Don't worry anon, he's happy now

>Ride getting on a revenge trip
>Bringing Tekkadan back together
>Steals Gjallarhorns Gundams
>Finally kills Rustal
Season 3 when?

>>15385559
>has to meet all the people he had ordered the deaths on
Man, guy can't catch a break

>>15385562
But anon, rustal was the good guy

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>>15385553
>>15385551
>>15385546
HE WAS TOO GOOD FOR THIS WORLD

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>Iok getting crushed to death by Gusion scissors

https://youtu.be/YXgheWHHHN4?t=1m47s

>>15385575
Then why did he never pilot Bael?
Please tell me how he can be the good guy without Agnikas soul.
Also I've never seen Rustal handing out chocolate to little kids.

>>15385543
He's waiting for Casca.

>>15385582
At least it's a mercy kill, regular Guts still has to go through hell.

>everyone praising monkey girl for taking down Mika despite the fact he was mostly fucking dead and his gundam half destroyed by an illegal weapon
Only thing that actually makes me mad about this episode.

>>15385575
Rustal is a pragmatic guy. He's the safe guy, the guy who is slow to change, always on the safe side, etc. He's neither good nor bad, but the safe bet.

Other than being obnoxiously smug, he hasn't done anything evil since the beginning, always betting on the safest strategies, to completely crush his opponents. He doesn't even underestimate tekkadan and let them get away. They were fukked the moment the fled to Mars, but he still paid fat man to kill off Orga. Wouldn't be surprised if he hired ride via proxy to kill fat man either, to tie up loose ends.

>>15385564
Makes me wonder if there will be a Gundam Valhalla manga short with that premise.

So many things were horribly handled with this episode and...well, the entire season.

>>15385590
what are you ? McGillis ?

What was the finale's greatest missed opportunity?

>Iok's character arc looks promising, possible redemption angle
>gets murdered ingloriously
>Rustal is a very morally-gray, introspective villain
>all his interesting shit is summarized in a post-conflict exposition drop
>Gaileo doesn't show up until the "epilogue" section, doesn't contribute much
>what the fuck was the point of Julietta in the end anyway?

This wasn't a case of "not enough time." This was a case of bad writing.

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>>15385545
>trying your hardest to keep this young fool alive
>assign your single best pilot as his bodyguard/babysitter to keep his ass out of trouble whenever there's combat
>strike a deal with the mob to pull him out of the Teiwaz power struggle he got himself manipulated into
>educate him on good leadership whenever possible
>give him a foolproof plan for the final battle, all he needs to do is sit on the sidelines and look pretty
>oh for the love of- did he just charge that McGilles kid on his own without weapons?
>oh thank the Seven Stars, he somehow survived
>wait what do you mean he requisited a new Graze is he not seeing the carnage those Gundam Frames are wreaking
>I know I sent in Julietta, but better to be safe than sorry. Fire the Dainslefs before Iok flies in!
>There. Now he should be fine. Even if those space rats survived, he wouldn't be foolish enough to jump into the crater without backup for needless glor-
>Hmm, they did survive, impress-
>Iok no stop
>Oh God Julietta stop him
>*sigh* Well, that just happened.
>Ok. You know what, this is why this whole Seven Stars system doesn't work. I'm abolishing that the second I get back home.
>Actually, got to stockpile me some more Dainslefs first. Iok was onto something there, for what it's worth.

>>15385610
Yea ! Maybe !

Iok finally died and we got MILF Atra so...that's something.

>>15385615
>Iok
>possible redemption
Are you serious? He was given multiple chances to not be a complete shitter and fucked it up every time.
The most satisfying part of the entire episode was him getting crushed by Guts.

>>15385622
The only satisfying part.

"CARRY OUT THE BOSS'S ORDERS" is the least compelling character motivation. I could not give a shit about Mika, Akihiro, and all those fags. Macky vs Rustal was the most interesting part of this show, and they fumbled that ending hard.

>>15385615
>First season wasted a bunch of time on meaningless Brewers and Dort arcs
>Second season crams in too many mini-arcs to do anything great
Jesus Yamato. We know from Derringer that the second season wasn't originally planned, but the series would've flowed much better if they moved some arcs from the season two into season one, along with adding buildup for things that actually mattered.

>>15385615
Not having a scene where Barbatos breaks off the Reginglaze's door, impales Bitchietta on the end of its tail, and slams her into the ground repeatedly.

>>15385633
So much this

>>15385596
Everything is built on lies in IBO

Fucking gay ass Dainsleif bullshit cause everyone one of you pieces of shit know that good god damn well they wouldve killed every god damn body if it wasnt for that. Im just fucking glad Lok got Death by Scissors and that isnt Julietta's win. She didnt do a god damn thing. Thank the fucking gods for Ride, mother fuckers need death.

>>15385622
>>15385627
You see, I don't buy into that shit. He's a character Okada wrote so that the audience fucking hates him with a passion. And then Okada writes for him to be killed in a horrible fashion, so the audience cheers.

I fucking hate it when writers try and manipulate me into these artificial "fuck yeah" moments. Game of Thrones does this shit all the time (see: Ramsay Bolton) and it pisses me off. Give me a real character, with a real arc, with real development. None of this fake-ass "Wasn't that awesome? Didn't you just HATE that guy?" bullshit.

>>15385529
Feels good

>>15385533
The deaths didn't matter Rustal just fixed everything.

>>15385618
The flaws of Feudalism made him reform it.

He reformed it as Gallajrhorn, not through a coup de tat as Choco intended.

>>15385642
Sometimes people are just too stupid to live mate.

>>15385653
>The flaws of Feudalism made him reform it.
Nothing made him reform it, he made a choice.

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>>15385633

Can I get a limited collection of ratings out of 10 about:
Seed
Seed Destity
00
00 Movie
IBO

For years of watching I don't know how to rate these 4 from shittiest to okay if not great

>>15385615
Ending it when Biscuit told Orga to stop, because if he stopped everyone would still be alive.

>>15385632
This. IBO could've been a ~25 episode series, and probably would've been better for it. I felt the same way about 00.

I'm kinda amused Hush was so pointless, they even forgot to put his name on the gravestone at the end. They even put on that kid who died at the start of the episode but not Hush. Unless I'm blind and missed his name somehow

Also, am I missing something? Why was Gaelio in a wheelchair?

>>15385669
>Seed 6/10
>Seed Destiny 3/10
>00 8/10
>00 Movie 8/10
>IBO 7/10

Fight me.

>>15385669
Stop crossposting faggot

>>15385686
I'd up SEED to a 7/10 but I can agree with that assessment.

>>15385674
>Why was Gaelio in a wheelchair?
Monkey got horny after the battle.

>>15385490
why was he cripple tho?

>>15385642
Well of course it's not a height of story writing, but sometimes small simple things like that are enjoyable. And it's not like it redeems the rest of the bullshit.

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>>15385672
Like, fuck. Orga's conflict of "am I helping them or totally fucking them over" could've actually been a really interesting characterization. Biscuit was a good foil for him - the angel on his shoulder, opposite to Mika's devil (this shit practically writes itself). But they were all missed opportunities.

Instead, the show glorified Orga as this do-no-wrong savior type. Every time his internal conflict came up, his dumbass subordinates would be there to convince him and the audience that everything he was doing was totally correct. Fuck that noise.

I could go on and on. I liked IBO, I really did, but it could've been a legitimately great, character-driven story about ambition, identity, and brotherhood. Instead, the show twiddled its thumbs and stuck to the safe narrative more often than not.

>>15385699
He probably just got the AV type E removed, he had bandages on his neck.

>>15385642
>I fucking hate it when writers try and manipulate me into these artificial "fuck yeah" moments. Game of Thrones does this shit all the time (see: Ramsay Bolton) and it pisses me off. Give me a real character, with a real arc, with real development. None of this fake-ass "Wasn't that awesome? Didn't you just HATE that guy?" bullshit.

This is pretty much how 99% of anime is though.
This is also what you get when you bring a writer known for melodrama to write for the show, extreme angst and extreme sentimental bullshit.

M-maybe next AU series will get it right.

>>15385674
>Why was Gaelio in a wheelchair?
He just had surgery there were bandages around his neck.

>tfw /m/ is literally too stupid to realize the show was lying to them and was framing the villians as heroes with Tekkadan
>tfw /m/ didn't understand the various hints that Rustal wasn't completely terrible
>tfw this doesn't matter because /m/ is literally the only place that thinks IBO is bad

So why didn't you guys like Age? That one spells everything out quite plainly, seems more your guys' speed.

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>>15385025
its the only gundam show that made me angry
fucking piece of shit Okada
now that this shitshow is over i hope that twilight Axis will make us forget about this piece of shit gundumb series

>>15385726
I'm doubting most of the audience wasn't supporting Tekkadan.

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>>15385398
CANON
A
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>>15385726
>Tekkadan as villains
this meme again.

We never see Tekkadan commit warcrimes by using illegal weaponry or create a conflict for personal gain.

>>15385642
You hit the nail on the head and explained it better than I could. That's why I always felt apathetic about him and what he does, it just felt manipulative in the laziest way.

>>15385709
Melodrama, angst, and extreme sentimentality are par for the course when it comes to mainstream anime, though. I wouldn't call this Okada-exclusive.

And manipulative "fuck yeah" moments are also how 99% of modern tv shows and movies are. I wouldn't call that anime-exclusive either. And 99% of the time, it's totally unconvincing and I can painfully see the writer's hand behind all of it. Every time I see a character that I'm "supposed to hate" I roll my eyes towards the inevitable "payoff" that is their comeuppance.

What's funny is how Game of Thrones became popular by subverting that trope, and now it embodies it fully. IBO, for as morally-gray as its antagonists and protagonists were, almost flipped the tables as well, but bombed in the finale.

>>15385743
I was fine with him when he was just a joke but got really tired during the mobile armor shit.

There's a nice pic of epilogue Yamagi in this thread
http://zip.2chan.net/2/res/1529161.htm

>1491136302655.png

>>15385741
They dare to get more out of life than they were born into. They tried to upset the status-quo. They tried to go against those in charge. You got to get into a Japanese mindset, anon, all of those things are reviled and looked down upon. If you're not a cog in the machine, you are demonized in Japan.

>>15385750
Difference is that most anime are stuck with one, maybe two cours to spread that melodrama/angst/sentimentality around. With IBO it feels as if a cour's, maybe half a cour's, worth of that is stretched into fifty episodes.

>>15385741
>for personal gain.
McGillis?

Essentially agreed to give up his authority.

>>15385759
>They dare to get more out of life than they were born into. They tried to upset the status-quo. They tried to go against those in charge.
You fucking what? There is multiple anime with this very theme. Anime for kids. Where the protagonists are most certainly the heroes of the story.

>>15385431
This, Rustal was the most corrupt person in the show and he gets away scott free.

>>15385367

Cute with long hair

>>15385792
It's fairly telling that, even though they establish in the first season that the Earth blocs are completely against having Gjallarhorn manage everything and want to do things on their own, the most powerful person in Gjallarhorn still somehow becomes the first president of Earth after the Seven Stars system is abolished.

>>15385598
>he hasn't done anything evil since the beginning
Setting up situations that let him illegally use banned weapons and cutting media so he can use them indiscriminately, arranging a war that had many needless deaths over not getting credit for something he failed to do. He was a pretty terrible man.

>>15385431
He never cared about the methods and never really talked about the state of Gjallarhorn as a whole.

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>>15385642
>Literally "Asshole characters should win" The post.

>>15385529
> anti revolutionary literature.
> exactly the kind of shit /m/ loves
> /m/ will still call it garbage though because muh contrarianism

>>15385812
Rustal winning made me happy, however I still don't like IBO as a whole.

Now maybe they'll finally get around to making some Julieta doujins

>>15385398
>>15385740
Just Good Friends

>>15385741
>We never see Tekkadan commit warcrimes by using illegal weaponry or create a conflict for personal gain.
The willfully ignored a white flag.
They also supported McGillis because he promised them Mars. I'd call that personal gain.
And you can bet dollars to doughnuts that if Orga had Dainslaif weapons, he would have used them at every opportunity.
But hey it's okay when Tekkadan mindlessly kills people, because they're good boys dindu nothin'.

>>15385772
the first S2 arc when Tamaki fucked up by being a beta leading the Earth branch.

>>15385750
It's a matter of suspension of disbelief.
Storytelling is like a magic trick it has to be subtle enough that you don't notice it.

I think the ideas that IBO were based on were sound, but the execution is extremely clumsy.
You also have to keep in mind that the main demographic for this show are teens who are new to Gundam.
It's a show meant to get them to buy plastic. I'm not sure how successful the show is with that demographic but it's clear the characters in the show were created to reflect their worldview.

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>>15385822
with benefits

>>15385823
>The willfully ignored a white flag.

when?

Rustal was crying "that hipster dude with the harem has Dainslef" when he was using it as he pleases multiple times.

>>15385432
>pajeet
>Indian
>Iok
You're being retarded on purpose?

I unironically love 00 and IBO's mecha designs and OST so much but I know they're not great of anything especially how IBO was a cluster fuck

I have shit taste don't I?

>>15385842
Jasley

Can we at least all agree the soundtrack to this series was absolutely incredible? There's a lot more than just the main theme you hear so often. Anyone have a link to OST vol. 2?

I'm surprised no one mentioned that Barbatos thought it was Giant Robo for a bit yet.

>>15385856
No, anon you have your own opinion treasure it and keep it safe lest the hivemind control you.

>>15385856
The robot designs were legit good, anon. No shit taste there.

Put the models up on your shelf and pretend they came from a better show.

>>15385856
Those are the only consistently good elements of the show.

>>15385860
ORPHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANS NAMIDA is honestly one of my favorite EDs. And anons have been cumming over the Spanish guitar since the very first PVs.

Season 2 was great, i loved the last ep and the fight was cool in it.
Glad Rustal "won". Milf Atra is miracle and mini Mika is super cute.

S1 was 6 to 7/10
S2 is 8/10

Get fucked Iok

So what was Julieta's final Reginlaze? It looked like it had some swordspear, and why did they think having her in some Reginlaze was better than a surprise Gundam?

>>15385860
I didn't really care for it.

>>15385842
Also basically in the final encounter with Carta.
It wasn't a parley situation and Mika just started murdering pilots.
It was kind of a funny scene, but it also pretty clearly shows where those guys are coming from.

>>15385880
>>15385860
You guys do realize that the main OST for S2 and the one used in S2's PV is titled Mikazuki/Crescent Moon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSZrH76B0mo

Rage of Dust > Raise your Flag > Childhood's End > Fighter > Orphan's Tears > Survivor > Iron Blooded Bonds > Lamplight of War > Freesia

>>15385887
It was the land setting for it.
Kit had a second pair compared to the space ones.

>>15385885
I'd give them both a 6/10 the last few episodes of s2 were better, but it kind of felt like a mess.

>>15385894
oh fuck this is the exact tune I was looking for

When this started playing as the gang was cooking up their Flauros kamikaze plan, I got so fucking hype.

It kinda similar to how Victory ended.

>>15385885
S1 was 5/10 for me, and S2 was 4/10. S2 was generally an improvement over the first, but I hated the ending so much.

>>15385908

I'm still in the "she should have gotten a Gundam" camp

I wish /m/ was not a basement for salty fuck UCfags.

>>15385726
I think the problem here isn't that /m/ didn't "get" something, it's that everyone subconsciously really fucking liked tekkadan characters and seeing them getting btfo by what would be an archetypal villain in any other series with literally hax is kind of INFURIATING

Also you have to remember gundam villains set their standard by the principality of "gas n drop" zeon

>>15385937
Have the seen the Zeta threads lately? I'd say we're being swarmed by Build Babbies and SEEDlings (thanks to the remaster).

>>15385669
>Seed 3/10
>Seed Destity 2/10
>00 5/10
>00 Movie 6/10
>IBO 5/10

All AUs lose 1-2 points for being Gundam but not living up to UC.

>>15385192
>>15385029
>>15385025

same fag. or, same fag and his online crew of counter-shills

>>15385947
>everyone subconsciously really fucking liked tekkadan characters
Team meat all the way

>>15385988
Only Gali was cool.

>>15385991
Rustal was alright.
Monkey was boring and Iok was just a meme to
hate on.
>>15385947
I only liked Akihiro.

>>15385669
Seed: 9/10
Seed Destiny: 5/10
00: 9/10
00 Movie: 7/10
IBO 8/10

>>15386005
you're too positive for this /m/

>>15385669

Seed - 6/10
Seed Destity - 4/10
00 - 7/10
00 Movie - 7/10
IBO - 8/10

>>15386000
>Monkey was boring
She was ok when she wasn't doing anything relevant are going on about Rustal.

>>15385669
>SEED
6/10
>Destiny
4/10
>00
8/10
>00 Movie
7/10
>IBO
6/10

>>15385669
>Seed 7/10
>Seed Destiny(First 12 episodes) 9/10
>Seed Destiny(Rest of the episodes) 6/10
>00 8/10
>00 Movie 8/10
>IBO 8/10

SEED 8
Destiny 4
00 (s1) 7
IBO 8
GBF 9
GBFT 6

>>15386072
>Seed Destiny(Rest of the episodes) 6/10
You're too generous.

>Le epic heroic sacrifice ending
Getting real sick of this shit in fiction. This meme that the only way to end 50% of all character arcs is to kill said character is retarded and needs to end. I didn't feel sad when Mika died, I felt annoyed because the only chance he had left to actually be a fucking character got squandered because apparently we needed more deaths. Slaughtering your main cast like pigs doesn't make your shit deep or mature god dammit.

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>You will never feed meat to Julieta's VA

>>15386050
I wish she was actually competent.
I mean jesus, how can she stop anything if she only got a win by waiting for the guy to die?

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>>15385025

Can someone explain this sequence?

>A bunch of years after
>Gali in a wheelchair
>after episode 49 he's fine and without injuries

Did I lose something?

>>15386112
Someone suggested he get AV removal surgery and is still recovering.

Sunrise probably clarified it later.

>>15386112
Got PTSD from killing the one he loved McGillis

>>15386112
Probably got his Av interface removed if we look at those bandages.
How long was the timeskip anyway?

>>15385426
>>15385545
Yeah no. He was good as a comedic character, but after the whole Turbines thing and his dealings with Jasley (who later went cocky and killed Lafter) he essentially signed his death-sentence.

Did I mentioned that the Turbines were composed mostly of civie girls and women? And that there were also kids among them? Yeah, fuck that. Even Rustal was disgusted with this. Wouldn't be surprised if he purposely let Iok go down and get himself killed.

>>15385493
In a sense they kinda did.

>>15385392
>Atra is living with Kudelia, Cookie and Cracker and presumably have daily /ss/ orgies with Mikazuki's son

Maybe everything really does have a silver lining

>>15386112
Monkey is so tall what the fuck. I think its the AV removal too

>>15385493
More like Mars won, its kinda cool to not have Rustal being an asshole and doing the things right.

>>15386128
>How long was the timeskip anyway?
Based on Akatsuki I'd say around 5 years.

>>15385493
Yes, they were the pure-hearted true humans who saved Mars but history won't remember them

>>15386134
I feel as if there was no point of Iok's involvement with the Turbines.

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>>15386100
She really loves to play useless characters

>>15385025
So the moral of the story is "Don't fight back against oppression. You will lose. Besides, the world will change for the better on it's own."

I am literally shaking with rage. I just want to find Mari Okada and CHOKE THE FUCKING LIFE OUT OF HER.

When has ANY imperialist government recognised the rights of the LOOSERS? You know what happens when you lose a war? YOU LOSE. They CRACK DOWN. They don't grant you extra freedoms, THEY TAKE AWAY MORE. As a nation both conquered by the English then by the Yanks they should fucking know this.

I hate this show. I hate everyone involved in this show. And if I ever find anyone who loves this show I will cave in their fucking skull and count it as a service to humanity.

>>15386146
>Julieta grew hair
>Julieta grew tall
>Julieta did not grow a chest

>>15386112
He is crippled and a patato sack

>>15386112

Well, Gaelio is literally the only guy in Gjallarhorn who has the AV system. Rustal probably kept him and Kimaris around as part of Gjallarhorn's task force until they finished switching to democracy and outlawing human debris kids who had the AV system.

>>15386173
say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens

>>15386173

>Japan

>Conquered by the British, ever

What weird-ass brand of history did you learn about?

Are you trying to refer to the Burma campaign?

>>15385669
SEED: 8/10
SEED Destiny: 6/10
00: 8/10
00 Movie: 8/10
IBO S1: 8/10
IBO S2: 6/10

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>>15386171
>She really loves to play useless characters
yeah

>>15386192
the code geass history timeline.

i bet he believes ben franklin actually sold out america, sad!

>>15386175
Flat is best, after all.

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>Shino was confirmed bisexual by Nagai at the event

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>>15386175

Absolute perfection

>>15386169
It was some retarded revenge he thought about.

>Be send to Mars to apprehend Choco Macky because of the probability of him changing the position of the Fareed family by slaying a Mobile Armor.
>Goes down.
>Choco literally screams to not to get close.
>Ignore the warnings and AWAKEN THE ANCIENT EVIL that is Hamshal.
>Get his men eaten by Pluma.
>Tries to avenge his men and fails miserably.
>Blames Tekkadan for this for some retarded reason.
>Jasley contacts him and tells him how he can get his vengeance.
>Attacks Turbines and does a lot of shit.
>Is indirectly responsible for Lafter's murder at the hands of Jasley's grunts.

>>15386171
>>15386201
Season 2 when? The Effies are still out there.

>>15386197
That's kinda...dunno. Ain't gonna involve myself here and there.

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>>15386173
This post sounds like it was written by some college-age Starbucks Marxist.

This may shock you, but the moral of the show is that violent revolt rarely succeeds, is not glorious, and those that employ violence as their primary method of benefit are often felled by it.

The people who inflicted lasting change were Kudelia, through her peaceful means, and Rustal, through turning to peaceful means when the immediate crisis was resolved. Real change is slow and gradual, and must be done carefully, with attention to detail, with respect to those affected by it.

Orga didn't respect this, neither did Choco, both of them ultimately died for it. Don't be mad that they failed, consider the ultimate reasons as to why they did, and all the people who either tried to get them to see the error of their ways, or were directly affected by their merciless take-no-prisoners attitude (Gali, Carta).

It's not as glorious as raising a flag and leading your rebel army to victory over the crooked elite, but it's reality.

>>15385401
>America carpet bombed Vietnam with napalm
>Nothing
Actually aren't we not signatories to the ICC charter? Like, we wouldn't even let them drag us before the court.

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Let me fix this mess

>Gaelio shoots Rustal, takes control over Gjalahron and reforms it

It's not that fucking hard

>>15386230
Iok had been indirectly responsible for all the shit Tekkadan went through in S2. If he hadn't shown up on Mars during the MA incident, none of this bullshit would have happened.

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>>15386171
S-She's not useless! She's a Power Ranger!

>>15386173
Its wasnt a war.
Its a was a rebellion and a cry of desespair. Mars needed to get noticed and because of "the incident" they did.
The orphans and Choco didnt give their life for nothing, the flaws of ghallahorn and people that took profit of mars' situation got fixed.

Its not surrealist, it happened a lot of time irl too, stupid /pol/tard

>>15386230
I mean, what's the point?
Did they just add a hateable character to just fuck things up for plot progression and some cheap cheers when he dies?

>>15386254
Why would anyone care about Gali? It's Rustal that had been commanding everyone during this whole incident, it was his subordinate that killed the devil. No one gives a fuck about anyone else, especially the person that just assassinated their leader, not to mention, Rustal is actually competent and not naive. He's the only person currently in Gjallarhorn that can get shit done.

>>15386269
Yeah. And always jumped before thinking.

>>15386282
Simple. Iok was an idiot. That is all.

>>15385564
Already happened, Nils in GBF. His reward/punishment for being an idiot with too much passion and bossing around his blonde chick subordinate was being reincarnated as a passionless genius who gets bossed around by anther blonde chick.

>>15386210
>confirmed bisexual
A hole is a hole.
If there's a hole, it's a man's duty to thrust into it.
If it's pretty, fuck it. There is no gay.
Etcetera etcetera.

>>15386282
>just fuck things up for plot progression
Yes. He was a walking McGuffin.

>>15386249
except this ENTIRE FUCKING SHOW was based around BEATING REALITY until the last 6 episodes or so.
HELL IT'S HALF THE REASON WHY TEKKADAN ARE SO POPULAR

EVERY FUCKING group from white base to even GBFT falls back on gundam's power to get ANYTHING done.
Tekkadan on the other hand gets relegated to slave status precisely BECAUSE of their AV surgery. They then beat the GODAWFUL hands they got handed over, and over, and over again. It's their thing, and their approach to lopsided situations is not only likable but inspiring - even to their enemies.

And then all of a sudden rustal "dainslef" elion shows up and ruins everything.

This is literally like if anti-spiral just went "lol no here have some super anti-spiral beams", kills simon, and then the epilogue goes "and then everyone lived happily ever after because anti-spirals aren't actually shitheads"

YEAH NO SHIT IM MAD FUCK YOU

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>>15386319
Nagai literally called him bisexual. Which mean he would have fucked Eugene too if he asked.

Should I force myself to watch the second season just to talk shit about it or was it so bad even the IBO fags hate the series now and don't need it explained to them why the series is shit?

>>15386331
KEK

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>>15385025
I'm just going to blame this on Fukuda and Morosawa as usual.

>>15385702
Does it matter that they didn't explicitly acknowledge this conflict when anyone with half a brain could tell that that was the subtext?

>>15386327
But Anti-Spirals aren't actually shitheads. Simon himself confirmed what the Anti-Spirals had said was true. Simon just choose to have full faith in humanity to not fuck things up.

We didn't get to see Almiria.

>>15386370
ANTISPIRAL PLS GO AND STAY GO

Is Rustal Bright tier now?

>>15385702
Nigga, what? The last half was them saying they trusted Orga, but they should have stepped up and stopped him from making bad decisions instead of relying all on him.

>>15385702
Sorry, addendum to the last post. Early in the series, there's a scene where Orga is talking to Biscuit and explaining that he has to take the radical path because he doesn't think he can control Mika (and by extension, Tekkadan) if he's not pushing them and maintaining his air as the cool boss who'll do anything to make Tekkadan succeed. And Biscuit looks at him like he's crazy. You can almost see, "Oh my god this idiot is going to get us all killed," written on his face, which is an astoynding achievement considering how inexpressive anime faces can be. That just suggests to me that someone in the planning room knew what was up, even if they were obliged to show it as ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH to placate the gunota.

>>15386379
I'm calling it now, Rustal will Bright Slap someone in SRW.

>>15386383
That's what Eugene told Shino. But how does he help Orga during the last episodes? By telling him the he leads and they follow. Hell, they almost brought the pitchforks when Zack and those other guys wanted to leave.

>>15386393
Except his actions are what gotten Biscuit killed. Biscuit was the only one that was willing to call Orga out on his bullshit. With his death, Orga had no one to call him out on it, which lead to how the final episode played out. Everyone called this out months out, so I have no idea where this 'ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER' shit is coming from.

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>>15385025
Anything after the timeskip was like
>pic related

I haven't seen such a convenient ending since Destiny.

>>15386249
This isn't about terrorism vs working within a flawed system. The children at Tekkandan has literally NO RIGHTS. It's not that they chose not to work within the system to fight for more rights, IT'S THAT THE SYSTEM WAS FUNDAMENTALLY DESIGNED TO PREVENT THEM FROM PARTICIPATING.

That's what fucking colonialism is. It's an organised structure of foreign rule where any deviation from that rule. Show me one god damn country that gained actual Independence through peaceful measures that didn't involve riots and millions of fucking actual rebellion causing a war? NONE. Not even Canada worked that way.

You don't believe? Fucking google Louis Riel.

>>15386327
Fucking THANK YOU.

>>15385947

Nah, aside from Eugene and kind of Shino I didn't care about Tekkadan.

I thought the ending was good.

Its realistic

No way it was going to be sugar and rainbows for them all.

>>15385348

>Will probably succeed Rustal and wins the Gaeliobowl. Better hairstyle too.

This was the only good thing to come out of the 50 episodes of IBO for me.

Aside from the mobile suit designs.

>>15386407
Because they have no other options left and Orga's final plan is something that they all agreed on. They had no choice but to believe Orga's final plan is the best of all options here since that is what Orga ultimately wanted for them. Of course, they should have called him out many episodes ago but didn't, which was the actual problem. They should have told Orga they didn't need to be king of Mars long ago.

>>15386173

Cry more, you fucking manchild.

>>15385785
Anime represents the fantasy that Japanese have which conflicts with their reality. Same way American comics always have random superheroes with different backgrounds and different abilities team up to fight a clear bad guy, in direct opposition to the reality of Americans preferring everyone look and act the same and moral relativism being the name of the game in business, politics, war, and love here.

>>15386327
Except this is how wars are. Look at WW2.

Once Germany lost they didn't just kill all the fucking Germans. Same with Japan.

This is one of the more ""realistic"" ways to end a gundam series.

>>15386327

More, more! Perform for me, crying manchild!

>>15386426
dont you have to write homo-la-la stories about gali gali and mcchuuni or something or did monkey ruin that for you

Almiria's counter attack when?

They didn't even show her.

>>15386327
>EVERY FUCKING group from white base to even GBFT falls back on gundam's power to get ANYTHING done.
So does Tekkadan. Or did you forget that they conveniently find an ancient limited-production GUNDAM powering some backwater PMC's HQ? Or how they then use that very same GUNDAM to carry themselves until they can get another mobile suit, whose pilot immediately upgrades from it into another GUNDAM? Tekkadan blatantly uses their GUNDAMs to go from a bunch of broke orphans into a relatively powerful organization.
>Tekkadan on the other hand gets relegated to slave status precisely BECAUSE of their AV surgery. They then beat the GODAWFUL hands they got handed over, and over, and over again. It's their thing, and their approach to lopsided situations is not only likable but inspiring - even to their enemies.
For a bunch of supposed underdogs, Okada did a shit job at portraying them as such. Especially after they meet Naze and the Turbines and become part of Teiwaz; they're now backed by the Jovian Mob, the strongest faction in the setting aside from Gjallarhorn, who provide them with supplies, repairs, and even send two of their best pilots down to Earth to help them. It doesn't help that their antagonist for most of that arc was Carta, whose incompetence killed any sort of suspense on whether or not Tekkadan would succeed. Hell, even when they were just a bunch of kids at CGS, they were still given the same food and equipment as everyone else; you don't gain the sort of muscles that Mika and Akihiro have if you're being underfed, and apart from the red stripes on the human debris' uniforms the kids look exactly like everyone else. By the time the second season rolls around, Tekkadan are one of the most feared organizations outside of the Earth sphere.

Make no mistake, IBO's writing is horrid. But I don't believe for a second that Tekkadan are underdogs when Okada does a really shit job at portraying that.

>>15386415
>Louis Riel
>somehow trying to start a war against Canada as an existence instead of fighting to preserve his people's culture specifically

As a Canadian, let me say you're a fucking retard.

>>15386464
>Season 3
>Almiria hires Ride to topple rustal
>literally redemption arc
FUND IT

>>15386469
>For a bunch of supposed underdogs, Okada did a shit job at portraying them as such

Wat

Season 2 for a slight bit at the start they were a semi powerful organization. But that's about it.

They were never Galla tier though or even Turbine tier in terms of manpower.

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>>15386331
>Eugene too if he asked.
I want to fuck Eugene

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>>15386327
>Unironically compares this to a power fantasy Super Robot show
Kek

Tekkkadan being the scrappy group of plucky orphans sticking it to the crooked establishment was the focus of S1. They succeeded, and got a slice of the pie for themselves, while Iznario was thrown out on his ass. These were all good things, and they were ultimately able to engender positive change through Kudelia's actions (with some help from Choco, who was inspired by their artful use of violence).

The problem is that they didn't quit while they were ahead. Orga ignored both Biscuit and Aniki's warnings that he was power hungry without purpose, and got dragged into Choco's lunatic plan in search of a poorly defined goal. He thought he could just have Mika berserk his way through the opposition, since it had worked fine all of S1.

He was wrong. Rustal was a totally different beast from Iznario, a calculating mastermind who always played for keeps - and by Tekkadan hitching their wagon to McGillis "Muh Bael" Fareed's failed coup, Orga sealed their fate. Rustal wouldn't even let him fall on his sword to get away with challenging Gjallarhorn twice, he wanted to make an example of the whole lot.

Orga did not act as a responsible leader should. He didnt need to do anything he did in the second season, and all of Tekkadan paid for his greed and shortsightedness.

If you want blacks and whites, perhaps super robot shows are what you should stick to?

>>15386460

Oh aren't you cute, let me pinch your cheeks.

You're just so screamingly butthurt and it's adorable.

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>Ride Status: Redeemed

Shame the final fight was against a bunch of grunts, but as far as grunts massacre go I'd say that was pretty good.

>>15386488
I mean I know it's hard to write mika getting it on with orga when he turns into a potato sack halfway into the season but surely you have to at least try it before shitposting all day

>>15386483
Too bad all of this was shown in a shit way.

>>15386493
>Ride didn't impregnate Azee
goddamnit

>>15386480
Did you read the rest of my post? Did you forget how Mikazuki has earned himself a name as the devil of Tekkadan and is recognized as such by the Dawn Horizon Corps? Did you forget how they've been contracted by Arbrau, one of the big Earth blocs, to train their army? Did you forget how they singlehandedly destroy Jasley's faction in Teiwaz? Tekkadan in season two are big fish despite their small organization size, and are only weak compared to the groups you compare them to: Gjallarhorn, who have complete control of the Earth sphere, and Teiwaz, the most feared organized crime syndicate in space.

Sooo... do you guys think Barbatos, Gusion and Flauros got rebuilt after the ending? Bael got rebuilt, albeit without the cockpit block so no one can pull another McGillis. I'm hoping that the mechanic lady rebuilt them back to their Calamity War-era form, just so Gjallarhorn has a few more Gundam types in their stockpile.

>>15386415
>(Cont)

You know what really gets me? The world is so shitty. The powerful always win, and the weak always lose. Stories are suppose to inspire people, but this just leaves me depressed as fuck. What's the point in living in a world where even a fucking cartoon won't let you escape this? To give you some courage to fight on with?

Stories are supposed to inspire people. Move them to work towards a better world, a better life. Shit like this are like the morality tales of old, where those who tried to upend monarchs were evil. Where people who tried to fight for more powered were defeated and demonized.

These fucking monsters... They killed children. THEY KILLED CHILDREN. They get to live happy fulling lives. While the children who fought for a better life, while the man who was raped as a child and fought against the system that protected his abuser died for fucking NOTHING. FUCKING NOTHING.

In the end all that happened was Kudelia becomes a fucking puppet for the earth government, and has to grovel at the feet of monsters who killed the only man she ever loved. I'm sort of glad she got cucked by Atra.

>>15386444
>Once Germany lost they didn't just kill all the fucking Germans. Same with Japan.
Oh yeah? Fucking tell the Germans and the Japanese that. Fucking Germany was split in two, a country that itself was divided in the spoils of war. Japan had endured two decided of repressive colonial rule, and to this day are still constitutionally barred from having armed forces. You fucking call that benevolence?

Just because they didn't wipe out the entire martial population doesn't make them the good guys. "Oh, thanks for not genociding us. Really appreciate that."

>>15386483
>write 46 episodes of super robot show script
>with tekkadan succeeding against enemies including but not limited to:
>CGS
>space pirates
>turbines
>teiwaz
>multiple gjallarhorn groups from mars to earth
>the epitome of AV system gone berserk
>AN ANCIENT EVIL
>time to write an ending guys
>oh shit we're a real robot show
>better kill people and make sure the bad guys win now
>I'm sure this is a consistent and good way to approach writing
t-thanks ANN

>>15386496

But I don't need to shitpost when you're doing such a stellar job for me!

Truly I applaud your efforts. Cry more, the fields need watering.

>>15386173
No. It was a treatise for living in a world where the problems are too large for any one person to confront, where "they're" big and you're little and "they're" smart and you're dumb. Stand up (for yourself). Start walking. Keep moving forward, solving the problems that are in front of you to the best of your ability. Do what's right for your family, to the best of your ability. That's it.

IBO is a story about small people doing what they can. Also, the revolution didn't fail. Tekkadan presented a compelling argument for why Gjallarhorn needed to stop ignoring the Mars and human debris situation.

>>15386521
I agree, anon.

What happened to Galileo's sister in the ending?

There was no point in Akihiro staying back. He didn't even do anything and just died like an idiot to grunts... Can't believe they screwed it up this bad. They didn't even give him a single real fight

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>Mika and guts say the name of his gundams
>Dont make a Obari pose
No wonder both died at end

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>>15386521

>>15386210
Not too surprised to be honest. He seemed to be game for any kind of action, regardless of gender. If there's a hole, he'd find a way.

>>15386528
No, but you're doing it anyways. While your next rustal x iznario remains to be written. Time's wasting fag-a-lag.

Is an OVA or Movie confirmed? I really don't want it because they'll probably have Ride, who is just a bitch of a character, do some dumb shit like go on a revenge murder spree trying to kill Rustal, Monkey, and Gaelio, but in the end is killed by Mika's kid to show THE KIDS ARE IN CONTROL NOW and signal the end of an era.

>>15386521
Who cares about Germany and Japan? They deserved it. Japan especially got let off lightly.

>>15386173
Japan's own experience after WWII is the exact opposite of what you just said.

>>15386521
Last I checked GERMANY and JAPAN still exist.

They also still have their own politics and political figures to govern them.

You're stupid. Galla didn't remove all influence from mars just some of it.

>>15385857
Jasley was a conniving piece of shit. Fuck him.

>>15385025
this show was absolute garbage right from the begining to the end
one of the worst gundam entries, right in the bottom down there with TRY, Age and Reco

>>15386173
Japan profited greatly during/after the Korean War, and rebuilt impressively. So actually no they don't.

>>15386509
Maybe he will have sex with a older chunni Almiria.

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>>15386546

Let's see, hmm ...

You're attempting to look big and failing utterly while using insults a grade schooler would be embarrassed by.

I'm sitting here laughing at you.

Nah, I'd say I'm still coming out ahead here.

But do please continue, you're even more entertaining than watching Barbatos get mulched!

Man angsty Ride would make a great MC for a movie or OAV. Also where is Almiria ;_;

>>15386521

Are you endorsing a Third Reich/Imperial Japanese victory?

Because it sounds like you are.


Also, it's fiction, get over it.

Rustal did exactly what Mars needed, stop foreign powers from interfering on Mars.

But what's the deal with Gaelio in a wheelchair? Did he get the AV removed?

>>15386564
look there are a lot of people waiting for your next iok x makanai fanfic
you are clearly talented at writing and creating interesting content
please do not keep your loyal readers waiting for your next masterpiece of hot, dick based literature

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>>15386587

Aww, little manchild, are you starting to run out of ideas now?

There, there, a nap and a soother will clear that up for you, little one.

>>15386173
Japan benefited immensely from being taken over by the US. The US basically brought them into the cutting edge of the contemporary world at a minimal cost.

You're describing the opposite of actual history.

>>15386249
Tekkadan was Malcolm X/Huey P. Newton. Like, they were right about the state of the world, hands down. Everything they did was justified. And you CAN change things, the way they went about it: the Black Panthers basically did what the Sikhs did. But that path is long(er than expected) and bloody and entrenches conflicts and raises your chances of not seeing the other side if it. But they're not useless to a peace process, either. They light the fire under everyone else's asses to not just let the status quo stand, and to get moving on making things better. Kudelia's reforms wouldn't have happened without Tekkadan's help, for sure. But neither would Rustal's have. Their wouldn't have been a reason to rock the boat if they could just pretend that everyone was happy.

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>>15386501
I realize that /m/ fast forwards through all the bits without robots smashing each other, because that's why we are here, but I felt it was shown very clearly.

In S1, Biscuit frequently acts as the voice of reason to Orga, and occasionally gets shunted aside when unreasonable actions are called for. Overall, it's portrayed that Tekkadan's actions are brutal, but necessary in the face of an oppressive regime. Ultimately their actions cause reform in that regime, and we see things getting better on Mars in the start of S2 as a result.

In S2, the tone shifts. The scene with aniki talking to Orga in a concerned way about his goals and the meaning of family was especially poignant: he's trying to make him see that his decisions will affect everyone around him, and to act with due consideration.

The S2 Gjallarhorn ranks as well, are not as obviously evil as those in S1 - the worst we see is Iok, and he is reprimanded for his actions several times by Rustal directly calling him out. Now, Rustal can't just off the guy - he's stuck with him, but at least he's trying to guide him in the right direction. Even Beardman and Rustal's proxy war against McGillis to stop him gaining power turned out to be completely justified, given Choco's later actions.

We also see that people like Beardman and Julia strongly believe in Rustal, not in some creepy cult way, but they really respect the guy. He wasn't being portrayed in the way a normal villain would be, whilst Tekkadan kept getting further and further enmeshed in morally questionable business for similarly questionable gain.

I like the ending, but it doesn't make much sense. It feels like they wrote these last few episodes before the rest of Season 2 and then tried to fit in from there. I mean, this was undoubtedly the best fight if the entire season but its almost as if everything was built to lead up to Mika and Akihiro have a all-out fight and still lose due to lack of support, rather than it being a consequence of previous sequences. I guess McGillis and Tekkadan did accomplish something by killing so many Seven Stars, but I still don't see Rustal as the reformer type.

Best moment was definitely Ride avenging his fallen comrades and killing Nobliss. I'd watch a Mellowlink-type OVA starring Ride and his insurgency cell

isnt really the main issue that the final eps had zero pay off?

there wasnt a cool final fight,
Rustal and Co really just kill steal everything done the Tekkadan and Choco

Rustal never really had a Oh shit moment, heck he really just sat around for the whole s2.

Monkey and Lok did nothing to justify them surviving for so long, at least galeo and mike had some cost to improve their skills

then there was a bunch of sacrifice made that didnt lead to anything.

Honestly

>>15386521
>Japan had endured two decided of repressive colonial rule, and to this day are still constitutionally barred from having armed forces.
That's mostly on the part of the Japanese themselves. actually. The general reaction to attempts to repeal Article 9 or to rearm the country have been negative.

>>15386521
>Japan had endured two decided of repressive colonial rule, and to this day are still constitutionally barred from having armed forces. You fucking call that benevolence?
Yes

If it were up to the people who were afflicted by the Japanese, i.e. the rest of Asia, Japan would've annihilated and its people tortured, then genocided. What the US did was more than fair for a cruel and powerful enemy, and it pissed a lot of people off. It still does in Asia. To say that the US was anything other than benevolent is lunacy and the only place you'll hear otherwise on a college campus for retarded liberals and parts of Japan. Everyone else thinks they didn't just get off easy they were treated like kings.

>>15386410
>Except his actions are what gotten Biscuit killed.
Right. Which proves the argument.

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>>15386536
Everything cool Akihiro did happened offscreen.

>>15385025
this shit finaly ended, so UC can reign supreme once again!

>>15386615
Rustal is the pragmatic type. Even he sees that reform is the best of all options for Gjallarhorn. Not to mention, he had been grooming Julieta and Iok to be his successors (but thankfully, Iok died), so it's quite clear Rustal had been planning something for Gjallarhorn for a while now.

>>15386547
Wouldn't that actually be cool?
Ride going on a kill trip to get revenge and in the end he has to confront Mika's son who is now one of Gjallarhorns ace pilots

>>15385669
>Seed
6/10
Good attempt to recreate 0079 at first, but as it goes on into the second season, shit goes off the rails and into the melodramatic bullshit Okada is known for. Before S2, the MS designs weren't as stupid and while simple still weren't totally overdone aside from required gimmicks. Did require far less Gundams though (everybody younger than 20 and has a pretty face gets their own)
>Seed Destity
4/10
Starts off well again but quickly goes fucking nuts with the nonsensical politics surrounding the premise of CE's wars. The assorted Gundams became increasingly shit-tier with gewgaws and bullshit attached to them.
>00
7/10
I liked it overall as a story in the end, but I hated a lot of the MS designs.
>00 Movie
didn't watch so no score
>IBO
2/10
Nonsensical combination of story arcs without any particular meaning. It actually comes off as the most "realistic" of the AU gundams in terms of relative technology emphasis and "stuff that happens," but that doesn't make it a good story. It's more like an over-the-shoulder-biopic of the "Tekkadan Martian Rebellion" in need of editing and cutting-down of content for a proper narrative.
I'm legitimately disgusted that people unironically liked it.

>>15386616
Ride got his revenge. Mars is better. And Rustal turned out to be the tempered and pragmatic leader that everyone needed and did everything Tekkadan wanted that McGillis never could've done.

Not a whole lot to be done. Tekkadan's fate was sealed the moment McGillis decided not to surrender after the first dainslief barrage

>>15386616
But there was definitely pay off. It was mostly politically in nature, but ultimately, the actions that McGillis and Tekkadan took, had led to a better world. It doesn't always have to be the protagonist that directly changes the world. Just influencing other's and their decisions is more than enough.

>>15386616
And the sacrifices aren't even worth it

Anyone who died fighting for reform wasted their time, also makes betraying Gali pointless. Kudelia was given everything she wanted politically, they never needed to try and kill her in the first place. Defending the base was a waste as Rustal didn't care about actually killing them just looking like he did. Orga dying trying to escape to earth was pointless as if they had just left then no one would care and they could even be bodyguards still.

This all feels like it didn't need to happen, no in a War in the Pocket no we made a mistake way just this legitimately did not need to happen.

>>15386547
A Ride OVA should be like Mellowlink except everyone pilots a Graze

>Seed 6/10
>Seed Destity 3/10
>00 8/10
>00 Movie 4/10
>IBO lol gay 3/10
5/10 is average

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>>15386538
>The Juggernaut and The Wolf
I thought this was cool.

>>15386635
Hold up. I feel like we're not really arguing here. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but I'm saying Orga needed people to call him out on his bullshit, to which, only Biscuit did. They still trust Orga personally and unconditionally, but honestly, they really should have called him out of his more bullshit decisions a while ago.

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>>15386615
As others have said, Gjallarhorn was heading down the path to reform anyway after the S1 shakeup. Except for some morons like Iok, who are treated like morons even in their own organization, Gjallarhorn is generally making progress towards rooting out corruption. Anyone with half a brain in there could have seen how letting conditions deteriorate on Mars led to the Graze Ein scandal, and would take steps to ensure it wouldn't happen again.

Problem was it didn't gel with how Choco saw things - that is, with him as the hero reforming Gjallarhorn all on his own. Rustal got wind through Gali that McGillis was trying to knife his way to the top, and suitably attempted to kneecap him to stop what he likely saw as a dangerous mindset.

Tldr; the revolution was over in S1.

>>15386677
They both knew it was time for one last "hell yeah motherfucker" moment

>The rest of this season's Gundam is just going to be Zeekwank

>>15386521
>Stories are suppose to inspire people, but this just leaves me depressed as fuck. What's the point in living in a world where even a fucking cartoon won't let you escape this? To give you some courage to fight on with?
Ah, I see, so you're just an autistic manchild who can't see reality even when he knows it's fiction that he can drop at any goddamn moment if not for his autism.

Go get some therapy or go take a walk. It's a fucking anime series of a long running franchise, and not even a good series within that franchise for various reason.

How you feel on what you wanted is entirely up to you, but to be so booty-bothered that you self-insert and whinge about power relationships is just pathetic.
Get some help or go read some orthodox fantasy/sci-fi novel, man.

>>15386677
It was cool

People try to hard to hate this show in these threads

>>15386677
>Akihiro dies like a dog having done nothing
>cool

baka

>>15386664
Except it kinda did. Mcgills and Tekkadan had basically forced Gjallarhorn to air out some of their skeletons while making people realize a full half of Gjallarhorn wanted reform, even through force if necessary. A failed revolution but still brought about positive change can't really be called a failure.

>>15385669
SEED: 3/10
SEED Destiny: 2/10
00: 6.5/10
00 Movie: 4/10
IBO S1: 5/10
IBO S2: 4/10

>>15386649
Seed wasn't Okada.

>>15386701
What

He killed the unkillable sack of shit who cost them a ton.

>>15386648
I feel like Ride doesn't deserve an OVA to himself when it could be focused on the Calamity War which is what really interests me in this universe.

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>>15386677
Barbie looks like it is taking a shit

>>15386701
He killed Iok. He did a lot of good in the world purely by saving it from a potentially terrible overlord.

Not to say Iok could still not have reformed, but after not having learned his lesson after the last few chewing-outs, it was pretty clear he wasn't getting the idea.

>>15386684
Not quite. For good or ill, roughly half of the Seven Stars needed to be dead for any changes to happen. Unironically speaking, had McGillis trusted his 'friends', he could have gotten his reform without any bloodshed.

>>15386660
I debated that Rustal did what he did because of Tekkadan, since Tekkadan/Choco were the extremist in terms of having a reform and then Rustal just presented himself as a moderate to reform as a power grab for more power and being the leader of everything.

>>15386684
there where little sign of any real change post s1 for Gjallarhorn really. were most of they still trying to regain their lost power for the 1st half of S2

>>15386677
Akihiro yanking the lance from his torso is the most metal shit to come out of Gundam since the GN Flag vs. Exia

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Bitch all you want but this made the entire episode worth it.

>>15385669
>5/10
>lol
>6/10
>3/10
>7/10

THEY DIDN'T BOTHER TO ANIME GUSION UNTIL THE END

>>15386614
Why didn't Rustal save young Macky?

>>15386661
I think it felt wrong that even at the end everyone that push for change was painted as a villain and Rustal process to achieve more power

>>15386721
Except that's not true as it explicitly states Gjallarhorn is now a democratic organization rather than one led by the council of dynasties. Rustal is fucking George Washington.

>>15386718
To be fair it's only hard to kill Iok if you're really bad at missing cockpits. Akihiro should've just given it all up to the Gundam like Mika did.

>>15386744
Welcome to war

>>15386683
Are we talking about the characters, or the story itself? Because they switch places between seasons. Suddenly now it's the acrual narrative handing Orga his ass instead of just his confidants. All I'm saying is that I'm fine with that.

>>15386731
>Ahhhhhhh dainsleif help

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who wants meat?

>>15386744
That's just how politics work. But for good or ill, if a bad person managed to make good positive changes, can you really say it wasn't worth it?

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>>15386752

>>15386715
Sure
There are many things in this show that are more interesting than Ride

>>15386723
>Not Gundam the End
>Not BSFP vs Zaku Amazing

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>>15385618
someone needs to make an abriged video with this whole inner monologue , its pure gold

>>15386756
I'm just saying Orga needed someone to call out his shit, but no one stepped up, both narrative and character-wise, because they held Orga too high up on a pedestal, which is ultimately, Tekkadan's greatest character flaw.

>>15386715
As long as it's competently written. Although I kinda wish the Calamity War was still more mysterious rather than "humanity fights genocidal robots."

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>>15386717
He's just in hunched-over werewolf mode.