Why have all of Ishinomori's designs aged so terribly?

>>15379105
This is a god-tier suit, but I get it, you're just baiting for another showa/heisei troll thread.

>>15379105
I mean, the suit designed in the manga was very simplistic (as per the ishimori usu) and something like that I felt like didn't translate well into live action

>>15379138
Have you seen Inazuman, doesn't capture the manga's design at all.

goofy giant helmets
Also, they reflect the era in which they were created with their detailing and how they're constructed.
Ultraman's suit used different materials and made to look alien, which I suppose helped him stay timeless.

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>>15379105
>Why have all of Ishinomori's designs aged so terribly?

Big helmets, low on details (since they were basically designed like his manga characters) and the modern recreations made by Toei often use very low quality materials for the suits themselves, with no attempt to update the suit construction. Sometimes they actually REMOVE details, especially once they get to late 70s and 80s, rather than early 70s. (See the attached picture)

For example, that Kikaider suit you posted there likely could look significantly better if they had made a smaller helmet and used for the body a material similar to what's used for the Ultraman suits rather than plain cloth.

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>>15379105
Stop the bullying.

>>15379155
Didn't they do that deliberately? I mean, it certainly looks that way.

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>>15379105
The DESIGN has aged well, the OLD SUIT has not.

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>>15379200
Heck, comparing them now, even that Let's Go Kamen Riders Kikaider suit somehow managed to remove details from the already simple original suit.

>>15379200
>For example, that Kikaider suit you posted there likely could look significantly better if they had made a smaller helmet and used for the body a material similar to what's used for the Ultraman suits rather than plain cloth.

Actually, I think OP's picture might be a case where they used a different material from the original. Because I think the original Kikaider suit used what looked like some kind of pleather material.

>>15379210
Nigga, that looks nothing like Ishinomori's design.

>>15379105
The ones on paper are fine. When you try to emulate that with 70s TV budgets the results are mixed at best. Kikaider looks like a guy wearing pajamas and a Halloween mask rather than a robot, 01 looks slightly better due to sturdier materials. The original Double Riders are fine until they switch from motorcycle leathers to spandex and cloth. Sanagiman is fucking hideous just like the manga version, Inazuman is too superhero looking and not organic enough. Arashi is pretty close to the comic version. Both the Gorangers and JAKQ have some fantastic design work that shine despite the shoddy materials they were made with. Zubat still looks fucking great after all these years, I'd expect no less from the Number 1 in Japan.

>>15379105
But that looks fine.

Try again with a different suit.

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You wanna tell me Rider 1 looks better today?

>>15379244
Trying to turn the bait the other way around doesn't help either, friend.

>>15379220
>Inazuman is too superhero looking and not organic enough.

To be honest, I'm kinda fine with this. Not that I wouldn't have preferred it if they went with something closer to the manga design, but I can see why they didn't.

There's basically no way they could have afforded the materials for a full, organic-looking body suit in the 70s.

>>15379244
>Rider 1 has 2 stripes
>Rider 2 has 1 stripe
wdhmbt?

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its the gay looking suit that aged badly

meanwhile this is still totally badass

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>>15379213
>Because I think the original Kikaider suit used what looked like some kind of pleather material.

Nah, Kikaider in the original series was cloth. For the 01 series both Kikaiders used the pleather material.

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>>15379294
Pretty sure they used both.

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>>15379252
If you think this piece of shit looks good you need to fucking neck yourself. It's a fucking embarrassment.

>>15379244
Man, say whatever else you want about Za Fursto, but those suits were sex.

>>15379294
>trying to pass off the stunt suit as the main
top kek. what's next? gavan never used a metallic suit?

>>15379285
Why did Ishinomori never sue Toei over this?

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>>15379285
Listen, I'm not in it for great looking suits. I just want to see robots thrown off a cliff so hard they explode and maybe the occasion fire dangerously close to the lead actors.

>>15379305
Acting like the originals and Rider 1 mk. Cucked-Ghost edition are supposed to be the same suit and not another suit entirely is your problem.

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>>15379210
>>15379216
Whatever, the original design still looks pretty cool.

>>15379316
He doesn't really care. Janperson also stole a lot of ideas and concepts from Robot Keiji. He's not like Leiji Matsumoto who enjoys suing people over every little thing, even though he's already filthy rich.

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>>15379105
The head's too big, which together with the loose cloth costume makes the actor look scrawny. The flat pastel colors further highlight that it's cloth rather than even trying to look like metal.

If you compare the Reboot costume, the much smaller helmet and tighter costume made with more hard plastic and metallic paint gives it a much stronger-looking appearance, and more importantly makes it look like a robot rather than a guy in a long shirt.

>>15379376
Reboot costume is just bad.
Maybe if I saw the film, it'd have grown on me, but I didn't.

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>>15379220
Zubat is a generic superhero suit for parts of a show that were honestly really superfluous considering the main character was godlike without a powersuit.

>>15379364
I don't really see how Ishinomori would have had the time, since he was consistently working on stuff even up until his death.

>>15379364
Metalder was a good show but could they have been any more blatant about it? They copied Kikaider right down to the color scheme and the badass rival character. Ishinomori Pro was co-producing magical girl shows with Toei during the height of Metal Heroes wasn't it? Makes sense not wanting to piss off your business partners when they've already got a sweet gig going with you, even if they're plainly just trying stiff you out of another paycheck.

>>15379376

The only thing that outright bugs me about the Reboot costume is the claws on the left hand. I know his red side is his "evil" side and all, but that's a bit much.

>>15379403
>I know his red side is his "evil" side and all

That sounds godawful.

>>15379411

That's literally what Kikaider's design represents. His blue side symbolizes "good" and his red side symbolizes "evil" because of his incomplete conscience circuit. He has the capacity for both, granting him humanity.

>aged
>>>/v/
This term does not apply to things without Graphics. I can smell you from a mile away

>>15379421
The claw is just lame. It takes the good and bad aspect and turns it into angel and demon.
The idea was supposed to be "imperfect" not "helf-demon", it really misses the mark.

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>>15379393
I think we're also forgetting the elephant in the room here. Ishinomori is not credited for any Sentai past JAKQ. Battle Fever was definitely different enough, they could be put at the same category as Ninja Captor or something, not even the uniforms look anything like the previous ones. But Denziman and Sun Vulcan? Those are made under the Marvel license even though there's nothing Marvel about them. And they reused a lot of stuff from Goranger and JAKQ, including character archetypes like the Yellow Jaguar obsession with curry and the headquarters being inside a restaurant. Uniforms were also clearly inspired by Goranger and JAKQ instead of Battle Fever. Considering Ishinomori barely had anything to do with series like Black RX, post-Battle Fever Sentai should probably fall under the same criteria, but that didn't happened. But again, Ishinomori was probably fine with it. I don't think he minded at all.

On a unrelated note, Toei supposedly did the same to Go Nagai with Gaiking, that made their relationship go sour for many years. But they came back to an agreement with Getter Robo Go.

>>15379434
True. He was supposed to be imperfect, half-finished. Why the hell Komyoji would make a half-evil robot on purpose? Because that's what the design implies.

>>15379437
Hah, it's kinda humorous to think it was because he was under watch from Prof Gill, and somehow building half of him evil looking would've somehow fooled him... Though I guess it's not like old school baddies were particularly sharp.

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>>15379435
>they could be put at the same category as Ninja Captor or something

If by that, you mean no category at all.

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>>15379475
Ninja Captor showed up as "Sentai" in some old magazines, even if it was airing alongside Goranger second cour, if I'm not mistaken. Both Goranger and JAKQ were included as part of the Super Sentai series up to Sun Vulcan, it was only after that they were removed for whatever reason. To avoid problems with Ishimori Pro maybe?

Just adding to it, Ishinomori never felt Goranger was one of his finest works. He created it to be as simple as possible, because this formula proved successful with the revamped Kamen Rider after the first 13 episodes. Inazuman/Inazuman Flash was a lot more experimental and suffered from low rantings (it was good the Raijin-Go sales that made the series last for the entire year. Same happened with Toei Spider-man. Ratings were mediocre, but Leopardon sold very well). They played it safe. Not even the manga is all that complex, it's probably the weakest of all his hero manga. He made 2 different Goranger manga, one for Shonen Sunday and another for some TV magazine, he got bored with both and turned the series into a gag parody permanently, which is pretty wild and fun, by the way.

I never saw he saying a thing about JAKQ, though. They ratings were not even that awful like people say, but it was vastly inferior to Goranger and it's pretty clear a lot more effort was put into that series. And a much bigger budget, Goranger final episode battle was made entirely of stock footage, it was ridiculous. But still, I don't think Ishinomori cared much for Goranger as a whole and he probably didn't even watched the following seasons.

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>>15379105
>Why have all of Ishinomori's designs aged so terribly?
Yes, but it does not apply to Black and RX.

>>15379285
>totally badass
Fuck yeah.

>>15379508
>BR shitmonkey literally too illiterate to read the OP properly

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>>15379508
Original Sky Rider > Black

Both as a series and costume. Black is terribly mediocre past the first few episodes and inconsistent as fuck. The manga is great, though.

>>15379505
>Ninja Captor showed up as "Sentai" in some old magazines

IIRC, it was just one guidebook and is likely to have been a mistake. I personally think that's the case or otherwise Kanin Captor 7 would have shown up in more early team-up photos.

>>15379508
Kill yourself BR/ Flip scum

>>15379505
>I never saw he saying a thing about JAKQ, though. They ratings were not even that awful like people say, but it was vastly inferior to Goranger and it's pretty clear a lot more effort was put into that series. And a much bigger budget, Goranger final episode battle was made entirely of stock footage, it was ridiculous. But still, I don't think Ishinomori cared much for Goranger as a whole and he probably didn't even watched the following seasons.

Just noticed I didn't phrased this very well. I mean JAKQ was the better show, in every little aspect. Goranger was poorly made and probably an unexpected success. A lot more effort was put into JAKQ.

>>15379105
Most of the original Riders look great, though. Especially the OG and Super-1.

>>15379574
I'll be honest, I would really love to see the first/next suits appear in Amazons

>>15379565
Honestly, I think the biggest reason why JAKQ failed is that the initial episodes were written like a serious cop/spy drama, but undermined by the tacky cars and costumes.

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>>15379539
Scarf Riders? No.

>>15379527
Not exactly, m8. I just wanted to see ragefags like you mad.

>>15379545
No. Try harder.

>>15379679
>Scarf Riders? No.

Shit taste. It's like you don't want to look cool while riding your motorcycle.

>>15379604
JAKQ took a lot of nods from Cyborg 009. Group of outcasts turned into cyborgs with different abilities. Spade Ace even had an acceleration switch early in the show (in typical Toei fashion, it's never mentioned again. Just like Sky Rider "sailing jump", X Rider underwater abilities or Super-1 being made for space exploration, among others).

>>15379679
Go back to shoving broken glass up your ass while fapping to tranny fart porn you fucking BR mud monkey.
Nobody will ever take your your worthless opinion seriously.

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>>15379434

They should have just used the SIC design 1:1 like they did for Hakaider in his movie.

But then they wouldn't have a new figure to sell so of course they fucking didn't.

>>15379695
So, basically, they cut it for cost reasons?

>>15379425
You're one of if not the biggest dumb booger I've ever seen on here.

What's up with all the Filipinos with retarded opinions lately? Even the Metal Heroes thread is painful to read.

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>>15379679
>Why have all of Ishinomori's designs aged so terribly?
>Answer: "yes"
>i was just trying to make you ANGERY JAJAJAJAJAJA

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>>15379679
>>15379820

I just read this thread and it was interesting!

And by the way, tonight I was wondering what people think of the Kikaider reboot movie, is it a good watch?

>>15379723
I have no idea. The effect was made just by accelerating the video, so I don't think so. But judging by how silly the show got by the second half, maybe they thought the concept was too complicated for kids or something. That was the reason given for why 009 didn't had one in the 60s show, he was just "super strong and fast".

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>>15379881
I gave some opinion in the other thread about the rebooted designs. I think it's a solid movie. It's not the same as the manga or the anime, but it's definitely closer in tone to them than the old live action show.

>>15379926
Cool thanks, I'll give it a watch.

>>15379920
It sounds plausible, although it does escape me why they think it'd be too hard for them to understand. It's just a thing that makes him go fast.

Or maybe they didn't want kids imitating it and trying to outrun traffic.

>>15379959
Japanese TV producers operate under really bizarre logic sometimes. When Gegege no Kitaro was originally pitched as a series, they said it was too hard for kids to understand as well, and one of the reasons given was because the eyeball character could talk without a mouth. So because of that and other reasons, they went with Akuma-kun instead and only years later Kitaro got its own series.

>>15379926
Tokusatsu Jiro is one harsh dude.

Although, probably not as harsh as Masaru. Cuz, goddamn.

>>15379305
I just realized how much he looks like Raj from BBT in the 71 picture

>>15379991
Japanese producers, especially those back then, always struck me as the type that would go "Well, if I don't get it then no way is a kid going to get it."

Because asking why an eyeball is talking without a mouth is exactly the kind of dumb question a clueless adult would ask and reject if they don't like the answer. Children would be fine with "it's because he's a ghost!"

>>15379210
Why does he have claws and a spike on his arm?

>>15380087
crawling in my skin

>>15380061
Pretty much. They're boring adults without no sense of fun or imagination. But sometimes they can hit the spot, I guess. They were the reason why we got Kamen Rider and Devilman the way we know them.

The Skull Man design was rejected for being too scary for children, which was already kinda weird since Ougon Bat, Akuma-kun and Kitaro were scary shows and a hit with children. And then Devilman was created because they asked Nagai to make something like Mao Dante but the hero needed to look more like a American superhero. Before that there was also Akakage, which was pretty much Yokoyama's Iga no Kagemaru reimagined into a costumed super-hero instead of a ordinary ninja.

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>>15379244
I kinda like this one a lot.

>>15379505
Post more old magazine scans please

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>>15380132
There you go.

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>>15380156

>>15380144
>>15380147
>>15380151
> No Sun Vulcan vs Denziman movie ever made.

I'm mad.

>>15380144
Thanks bud, I always enjoy these.

If there was a website with these spanning from when Kamen Rider first started to now I'd probably just spend all my remaining time going through it.

>>15379211
>kikaiders suit looks like plastic or vinyl
>01 look like it might be fuckin LEATHER
so did they just TRY to kill suit actors in the 70s?

>>15380106
To be fair to producers, the original Skull Man and Mao Dante really were super inappropriate for kids as is.

>>15380189
It's the same leather-like material like the original Rider 1. Gotta remember that part of the duality of meaning for the name Kikaider is machine+rider (kikai-rider).
(Along with machine-i'm {kikai+da})
So the biker-vibe is intentional.

>>15380228
Dude, an early episode of Devilman had him whip a demoness' nips repeatedly. All they did was make toys more superhero like.

>>15379926
its its own story but it follows more the tone of the manga or the anime and can be melancholy
if you like those you'll be fine
ACTUAL LEGIT SPOLIER
im butt hurt that Hakaider was just a body for Gil and not his own character, though. Hakaider is a fav of mine so it was super disappointing.

>>15380252
Isn't that spoiler mostly true to the manga? It isn't like Saburo did anything meaningful there.

>>15380239
Hitting titties is fair game. Even Kikaider did it.

>>15380159
>Miss America
that is still the goofiest design
who went "yeah a wig on a sentai mask works, why wouldn't it?" and the who approved it

>>15380232
no i know that
i mean more it seems like that material would be hell to work in as a suit actor.
like you need to carbo load to avoid losing to much weight to sweat

>>15380260
nah in the Manga he was still Kikaiders Rival trying to surpass him and even still had the Brain Hostage subplot attached
but much like in the later half of the manga Gil does hijack Hakaider as a spare body like in everything else much to Jiros horror.
But the movie doesn't even get that much with Hakaider just being a strong robot body for Gil

I should watch that Hakaider movie some time, looks like some good ol egdy 90 toku goodness

>>15380260
Yeah, and while this might be an unpopular opinion, I think Gill Hakaider is the best Hakaider in pretty much all incarnations. He was a cold manipulative bastard in the manga and anime. And just plain stupidly evil in the show. I just love that guy.

By the way, he was not even really Gill in the Kikaider 01 toku, he was something else. A new Hakaider or whatever. Just like Saburo didn't acted like Komyoji. There was an entire episode when he need to summon Gill spirit in order to think like him or something.

>>15380261
Did he do it to a bare demoness' nips with a whip? While she was tied up? It WAS an interrogation, so I guess they could excuse their way out of any issues though.

>>15380279
Nah. He just drop kicks a giant pink armadillo robot right in the tits in the live-action.

If there's any weird bondage going on, he's usually on the receiving end of it.

>>15380228
Well, they would not be the same as the manga anyway. The Skull Man Rider design was not really supposed to be the same as the manga Skull Man, he would be a super hero from the start but with a more macabre suit. The idea is that those shows would only be very loosely based in the manga, but redone into something that could be suitable for children.

>>15380239
There was lots of creepy stuff in the early Rider episodes as well. The human deaths were a lot more gruesome with bodies melting into skeletons and shit like that.

>>15380278
He was Gil. Unlike Komiyoji-Hakaider, he had Gills voice and personality. You gotta remember that Saburo, the default personality and Jiro's brother, was gutted out before the switch to Gill-Hakaider. Essentially, he died saving Jiro and then Gill frankenstien'd himself into the cadaver.
Saburo was like the OS and RAM and Komiyoji was the HHD. Gill was Gill.

>>15380307
No, I mean in the show. He's introduced as Gill in Hakaider's body, but then proceeds to act less and less like Gill. Then he becomes a sore loser after Shadow Knight is introduced, an incompetent evil bastard and a punching bag for 01. But it's still the only villain to be there from the beginning to the end and sometimes they pretty much mention he's not Gill at all, just "Hakaider". In the Gill spirit episode, they actually show the old Gill actor talking to Hakaider and telling him what to do...

>>15380319
I always assumed that was because he died before he was re-animated as Gill-Hakaider, which would explain his seemingly brain-damaged induced psychosis. In japanese spiritualism, it's totally fine for his spirit and his re-animated brain to meet.
Anyway, Saburo was the coolest and strongest version of Hakaider, especially since it involved the conflict of Saburo's KILL-programming fighting Komiyoji's mind/compassion. Gill-Hakaider, while a very interesting Starscream-like persona, doesn't quite compare. And that's saying something, Starscream has been my favorite transformer since I was a kid.

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>>15380342
Manga. Followed close by the TV version, because Inazuman Flash is one of the best tokusatsu series out there. What the hell is that ugly thing to the right of the SIC?

You also forgot pic related.

>>15380340
That makes sense, but I don't think the writers for 01 were thinking about getting that deep into it. That's one schizophrenic show, it starts trying to follow more or less the plot of the second half of the manga: Find Akira and build the Armageddon God. But then they just scrapped the whole thing and just got crazier and crazier with killer kimonos, exploding ink, time travel to Edo Japan, going to the moon, etc... It's like they just said fuck you to any logic and just did whatever they felt like. The Waruder episodes are great, but they're just as crazy. Who the hell built Waruder? He just exists, he came out of nowhere and is hired as an assassin for Shadow. That's the only explanation they give.

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>>15380342
This one.

>>15380390
What the hell is with Toei and taking good suits with white belts and changing them to match the rest of the color scheme.

>>15379539
And you consider Skyrider...consistent?

Lmao.

I don't think Black is the pinnacle of tokusatus either, but Skyrider definitely isn't any better.

>>15380437
Consistently fun. I don't remember ever getting bored with Sky Rider. Having to suffer through all of Super-1 probably helped with that. Now that show was painfully boring. Black is just really underwhelming in so many ways. When it's great, it's really, really great. But when it's bad, it's terrible. And that consists of at least 70% of the entire show.

>>15380437
Black was close. The pinnacle is probably somewhere in the metal heroes series that spawned from it.

>>15380464
The pinnacle of tokusatsu was Ultraseven.

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>>15380566
Huh. So Skyrider, Stronge and Amazon travelled back in time to help fix him up.

Nice of them to do so, desu.

>>15380566
yeas but god this makes like the third version of it.
anyone know what all that says?

>>15380566
>>15380597
>>15380600

That's not about Riderman's death in V3, it's showing how the Riders survived Skyrider's finale, where everyone seemingly dies at the end.

>>15380566
Not really, it just cemented that the series proper and cameo versions of them were alternate realities. Though the official reason how is: "he survived".

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Why have Toru Narita's designs aged fairly gracefully?

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>>15380603
If they all died or are floating in space... Who repaired the others first? Super-1?

By the way, in Kamen Rider Eve, Yuki Johji is the one who helps Hongo to recover his body after he's killed by the Shocker Rider. I guess he didn't die in the manga universe.

>>15379244

The actual suits in The First look fantastic. It was the one thing about the movie I have 0 complaints with.

>>15379305

In fairness, the super bulky suit was his idea iirc, a way for the more outdated Rider 1 to stay on an even playing field with new enemies.

Well that and he's way more jacked now than he was in the 70s, so he needs a bulkier suit.

>>15379364
It helps that Janperson had a little more of a distinct identity, since it has multiple factions, eventually dumps the detective/reporter supporting cast (the "trash can on head" running gag would have gotten stale anyways), pretty much lifts Clarence Boddicker entirely from Robocop and has a second Top Gunder in Gun Gibson. Also, it turns said Boddicker analogue into a cyborg because it's cool.

>>15380163
At this point I would settle for Denziman getting subs.

>>15379991
At least it finally paid off, since Kitaro gets a remake every other decade since then.

>>15380106
The latter one seems fair to me, since Akakage is cool and eventually "inspired" Jiraiya.

>>15380646
>If they all died or are floating in space... Who repaired the others first? Super-1?
It just mentions that they survived the explosion, but ended up in space. Then got to a nearby satellite where they fixed their bodies, and returned in a spaceship.

>>15379505
Nice info, but the next time you talk about the final episode of an unsubbed show spoiler it please.

>>15379425
The term doesn't apply to art at all.

>>15379710
You know the Hakaider movie predates the SIC line, right?

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>>15379820
Is that Austin St. John?

>>15380252

What a weird fucking movie that was.

Like, if you think about it - the whole plot is that they want a datachip from that kid. They get the chip, but they don't even harm the kid when they remove it! So basically, Kikaider's mission is pointless - the son/daughter of the scientist that made him were never in danger!

More, the data isn't actually used for any evil purposes. Even if it was going to be, Hakaider proceeds to destroy the entire base (Except for the female cyborg, who just sort of vanishes) which renders the point moot anyway.

Am I missing something here?

>>15380691

I wouldn't exactly use "jacked" to describe Fujioka's physique nowadays. More "doughy old man."

>>15381131
Yeah, they spend the first 2/3 of the movie trying to prevent this evil organization from doing this evil thing, and then when they fail the evil organization just kind of...lets everybody go their separate ways like it's no big deal, and the heroes go back to day-to-day life.

Furthermore, if they evil organization could just stop being dicks to Gil for ten seconds then their evil plan would have been successful. It's only because they kept bullying him that he becomes Hakaider, and it's actually Hakaider who puts a stop to their evil plan while Kikaider is still feeling bad for himself. In the end Kikaider only comes out of retirement to stop Hakaider from massacring literally every bad guy, I assume because Kikaider recognizes that that he can't have a sequel otherwise. The protagonists' actions ends up being mostly pointless throughout, and Hakaider is the actual hero of the movie by way of bad writing.

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>>15381536

You know, something about the movie just didn't sit right with me, but I could never quite put it into words. This nails it perfectly.

Kikaider/Jiro himself never feels like the hero he should. He's just kind of there fighting things that want to fight him. Hakaider/Gil only fights Kikaider because of Reasons and they really don't have any purpose behind their conflict.

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Suppose Toei could create suits at the quality level of pic related, but they'd have to stop using physical suits and switch to CGI.

Would you be okay with that?

>>15382582
>the hero he should
That's your problem. He is never a hero in the story.

>>15382684
Nah, the appeal to me of Japanese superheroes is that they're actually guys in suits punching each other for the most part, or at least whenever they aren't puking CGI finishers over the screen. There's a lovely physicality to it that CGI just can't replicate, no matter the money or quality involved. And I'm not saying that to just shit on CGI effects.

>>15379388
Zubat is probably the only show where the hero's casual clothes are way more memorable than his superhero attire.

>>15382923
Not exactly the same thing, but Zubat and Gavan are two shows where the out-of-suit action either is on-par or exceeds the in-suit action.

>>15382688
>>15381536
>>15381131
loved the suit designs though

>>15383272

Hakaider's is pretty good, but again, Kikaider's is just off in a number of ways.

>>15382688
he was pretty great in Gaim

>>15382582
>Kikaider/Jiro himself never feels like the hero he should. He's just kind of there fighting things that want to fight him.

And what do you think he spent most of the time doing in the manga? He doesn't even know why he's fighting in the beginning, he's just confused about everyone trying to destroy him for some reason, so he just fights back.

To be honest, I can't think of many 70's shows for children and teens in any country that have aged well.

>>15386956
Well, that wouldnt be an issue if you didnt take meme terme seriously.

>>15386981
It's really not an issue for me personally. I'm just trying to understand the viewpoint of folks that look at something made in the 70s and go "Wow, this looks like this was made in the 70s." like they're onto something.

>>15387047
But that's literally why applying age to art is retarded in the first place.