Gundam Twilight axis

>>15374793
What is there to talk about?

>>15374793
shitty official fanfic that no one asked for

>>15374804
Novel was written by ARK PERFORMANCE. It won't be that bad

>>15374811
it already is, 4 full chapters translated and it's a bad fanfic

>>15374812
at least the gunpla will probably be decent

>>15374812
>>15374811
>Zeon remnants hired because ????
>Feds going rogue for reasons
>Ageless loli cyber Newtype
Its not off to a good start

>>15374838
>Ageless loli cyber Newtype
PICKED UP

>>15374816
>Two kits announced
>Both are remolds of decade old HGs
>One is the lead MS
>The other is P-Bandai

Not even the Gunpla will be decent.

>>15374844
loli might be wrong, she's got the appearance of a 16-18 year old.

>>15374816
>mfw literal re-color of the ancient HGUC Zaku III

>>15374844
>>15374851
Why can't we just get the Return of Johnny Ridden?
It has that plus crazy OYW prototypes and Yazan Gable to boot.

>loli
JAPAN STOP

>>15374861
Because this is just the start of the insanity. If Twilight Axis even does okay that guarantees a series of UC side stories getting animated as mainline shows.

Get ready for Johnny Ridden MSV shenanigans, Federation Hooligans, the plot to assassinate Gihren, etc. Because Sunrise and Bandai need to constantly step on the hopes and dreams of Crossbone faggots.

>>15374793
Zeonwank

>>15374878
>Because this is just the start of the insanity.

And Unicorn, Origin, and Thunderbolt weren't?

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It would have been a cool story if they would have recovered the Sazabi wreckage and repaired it to make the Sazabi II, but they didnt do that because they are dumb and they make boring crap

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>>15374901
They already built a shitty mary sue MS out of the Sazabi's data

>>15374898
Thunderbolt was a mild spasm of a stroke that existed as web animation but somehow got relatively popular.

Unicorn was an anniversary project that got super successful.

Origin is a decent manga remake and it was inevitable that it would be animated.

Twilight Axis is legitimately the start of the insanity.

>>15374861
I doubt UC needs more Zeekwank

>>15374793
because more blatant Zeonwank
Give us a capable feddie story Sunrise

Ugh no one wants this

>>15374898
Thunderbolt resulted in some fucking rad redesigns and new kits so it's already coming out far ahead.

>>15374955
>>15374915
>>15374886
>Mum Zeonwank
If you want a Feddiewank series, you have Every. Other. UC. Series. Ever. Outside of MS IGLOO which gave a fair shake, MS IGLOO 2 was a blatant Feddiewank. And Zeta, but that was an AEUGwank.

>>15374972
> /m/ dosen't want this
FTFY

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This is unfamiliar...

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>>15375023

>>15374793
>Still early UC
>3 months after Unicorn
>Still early UC
>Neo Neo Neo Neo Neo Zeon
>Still early UC
gee~ OP, I wonder why nobody is talking about this. At least the Alex 2.0 looks better than the Atlas from Thunderbolt.

>>15374793
Because we already talk about it when it was announced

>>15375056

> taking place after Char's Counterattack
> early UC

If F91 and onward (i.e. Victory) is late UC, then Char's Counterattack, Unicorn and now Twilight Axis are mid-UC.

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I wonder if this is young grandpa Ronah
Since I heard they were in this

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>>15375023
They turned the Byalant into a Gundam

>>15375085
Literally the best thing that could have happened for that piece of shit meme suit.

Anon. It's simple.

Early UC is Zeon.

Late UC is not-Zeon.

It never had anything to do with dates.

>>15374995
(You) would say that

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>>15375098
DELET THIS RIGHT NOW

>>15374804
>official
>fanfic

>>15374878

>
Get ready for Johnny Ridden MSV shenanigans, Federation Hooligans, the plot to assassinate Gihren, etc. Because Sunrise and Bandai need to constantly step on the hopes and dreams of Crossbone faggots.
>Federation Hooligan

There is literally nothing wrong with this.

>>15375243
They'll get to them eventually, they'll run out of UC bullshit to spew.

>>15374901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM

>>15374793
>Why is nobody talking about this?
ancient new is anciiiieeenntttt

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>obscure early UC that isn't Sentinel, Hathaway, Federation Hooligans or a proper F91 series
fuck off Sunrise
at least IBO had some mechanic originality behind it you greedy shits

>>15375259
THIS IS MONEY THEY COULD HAVE SPENT UNFUCKING THE RIGHTS TO SENTINEL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15375259
Disney should buy Bandai, so they can do for Gundam what they did for Star Wars and Marvel.

>>15375262
Wait, what's the deal with Sentinel?

>>15375323
>Disney should buy Bandai, so they can do for Gundam what they did for Star Wars
Ruin it to the point that even the prequels look great?

>>15375325
The rights to sentinel belong to the magazine that published the series. Bandai would have to buy those rights if they wanted to do anything with the story.

>>15375335
You can bring much better bait than that.

>>15375341

but they keep making toys out the ass also are those rights really that expensive or is the magazine just buttfucking them on the price

>>15375364
Bandai Sunrise have the rights to all the mechs because Gundam. What they don't have the rights to is the characters, which is why S Gundam's pilot is always faceless in games.

The ALICE system is the loophole where Bandai actually owns the character because it's part of the mech.

>>15375023
Penelope?

>>15375345
It's not bait if it's true.

>>15375364

They could buy it if they wanted most likely, even if the magazine was charging an exorbitant price - they almost certainly don't want to though, both because Sentinel isn't that popular and they don't actually want to do more than make gunpla for it. They're not animating it. Ever. For much the same reasons as Crossbone. They already have gunpla of the most likely to sell kits and it's been wrapped up with decades, so if they were going to do anything with it they would have long ago.

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>tfw they aren't using the unicorn sequel manga
>tfw no luger lugh

>>15375405
That character looks like they came to laugh at you but then forgot to laugh.

>>15375396
I'm disappointed in you, you've really lost your touch.

Is this an OVA or TV Series?

I honestly just don't care about more early UC stories. The period is sucked dry

At least thunderbolt doesn't pretend to be more than jazz amvs

>>15375432
I'm not sure they've clarified that yet. All I've heard is that the first one will be streamed in June.

>>15374793

>>oh shit zaku III
>>in that disgusting salmon color scheme

aw

>>15374793
Wee more shit. Like we have not had enough with IBO.

>>15375396
Keep sucking that ANT dick there.

>>15375323
No. Keep western shit out of my face forever.

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>>15375370
>The ALICE system is the loophole where Bandai actually owns the character because it's part of the mech.
So Bandai is literally dealing with Artificial intelligence laws and court cases years before they even become a thing?

>>15375432
probably 6 20 minute episodes or some shit

>>15375335
>>15375835
>Not smart enough to realize I was obviously being sarcastic.

>>15375978
Nothing wrong with keeping it safe.

>>15374793

>Still haven't even started 0079 yet
>MORE UC SHIT

STOP

I WANT TO BE CAUGHT UP BEFORE I TURN 45

>>15374955
>>15374915
>>15374886
>Zeonwank

That term really doesn't have meaning, I wish people would stop using it.

>>15374878
I would personally LOVE all of those getting animated over Crossbone, mostly because I'm pretty sure they'd try to preserve Hasegawa's artstyle

>>15375200
And you wonder why Banrise gives no shits about Crossbone or other Late UC content, existing or otherwise.

Perform Autistic Screeching all you want, but as far as Banrise is concerned - Universal Century IS ZEON. Outside a relatively small, but very local group of fans - no Late UC work ever really caught on and made a splash, the fact that existing Late UC content is pretty controversial and divisive among the fans - doesn't help either.

They don't want to touch V or F91(Twilight Axis gives me a small hope that it could get remade, properly), and since they won't decanonize it - they effectiveley boxed themselves into Early UC and the repetitive Super Ultra Neo Neo Fighting Continuum X Platinum Neo Zeon the Ultimate Hyper X uprisings.

They just keep making what actually sells and tracks well.

>>15376079
Its got meaning, stop glorifying Zeon and making every no name Fed job then people will stop saying Zeekwank.

Every writer who has a new UC entry has gone out of their way to collectively shit on the Federation.

>>15376190
I really wish we could break out of the "0079 but with bigger backpacks" rut. I like Thunderbolt well enough, and Twilight looks like it's going to be acceptable, but there's absolutely no innovation here. Just another V-fin with extra shit strapped to it fighting the same space nazis.

>>15376229
I'm fine with newer UC stuff portraying the zeeks as relatable, but somehow it keeps coming back to "gassing a colony and replacing Australia with a crater was a necessary and excusable incident."

>>15376292
Honestly it wouldn't be so bad if they showed the Feds as something better than "lesser of two evils but with worse toys".

>>15376292
>V-fin with extra shit strapped to it fighting the same space nazis.
Doesn't the second half of Thunderbolt deal pretty heavily with a group of crazy space Buddhists who hate both the Federation and Zeon?

>>15375076
"Mid-UC" is the several decades between all that stuff and the start of F91

UC is still hot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibq_284rlk

Just remake f91 and stop wasting our time on these irrelevant side stories

>>15376669
>implying F91 isn't one of those irrelevant side SHORT stories

>>15374909
>somehow got relatively popular.
>somehow
>with that massive marketing push

>>15374972
>>15374998
I want this.

>>15376666
2 Gerbera Tetras and a Gelgoog M Cima Custom, that team knows who the best woman is.

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>>15376229
The extent of Japan's glorification of Zeon mostly has to do with the samurai warrior mentality they culturally relate to in regards to Zeon's zealotry and the current political climate of yearning for something similar given their current self-image as a castrated nation heavily dependent on others. They are a guilty power fantasy for them. They don't attempt to make them seem like good guys so much as humanize them and make them seem "awesome," which works spendidly given their role in the franchise. You have to admit; they are downright some of the best villainous factions in science fiction, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that their soldiers aren't universally villainous people.

Look at it this way; Mr. Freeze is a mass murderer that has heartlessly killed countless innocents with little to no reasoning, but there are still plenty of people that appreciate him as a human being. That's the sign of a good villain.

>>15376292
>but somehow it keeps coming back to "gassing a colony and replacing Australia with a crater was a necessary and excusable incident."
No...it has not. At any point in the franchise, and you are retarded for even thinking this. It has been outright demonized as the turning point for humanity, the first of many horrors that would plague the Universal Century, and the complete antithesis of the ideals of the very man that pioneered contolism in the first place (with Zeon itself having zero sense of self-awareness on this fact) and there is not a single series that attempts to portray it differently.

Also, to this day, I am a bit curious as to why /m/ has such an enormous issue with the gassing in comparison to simply blowing colonies to shreds with Musai cannon fire to the point where it is mentioned with dire specificity whereas a good chunk of /m/ probably forgets that the majority of Zeon's attacks on the colonies had far more explosions and spectacle, as if it is somehow worse or something.

>>15376069
Don't worry, nothing after 0083 is really worth watching.

>>15376826
>Also, to this day, I am a bit curious as to why /m/ has such an enormous issue with the gassing in comparison to simply blowing colonies to shreds with Musai cannon fire to the point where it is mentioned with dire specificity whereas a good chunk of /m/ probably forgets that the majority of Zeon's attacks on the colonies had far more explosions and spectacle, as if it is somehow worse or something.
Gassing means that there was a actual order to eradicate the entire population of a colony cylinder. As far as I know, there aren't any depictions or descriptions of Zeon fleets deliberately destroying colonies with their beam cannons, so when colonies do get destroyed during battles, it tends to be a result of battle, accidental collateral damage from unguided gunfire that no one actually wants to own up to.

One was deliberately condemning millions to death, the other one came about as a result of negligence and extremely stupid actions.

>>15376841
>As far as I know, there aren't any depictions or descriptions of Zeon fleets deliberately destroying colonies with their beam cannons

It's okay, I put off watching First Gundam when I started the franchise, too.

>>15376853
Those were evil federation colonies, they don't really count.

>>15376853
If you're talking about the opening narration where a colony suddenly has blotches of light on it, I'm pretty sure those are nukes, not beam cannon fire.

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>>15376841
>As far as I know, there aren't any depictions or descriptions of Zeon fleets deliberately destroying colonies with their beam cannons

LITERALLY the first thing depicted in the very first episode of the very first series.

In fact, the gassing didn't even exist in the animated canon till Zeta decided to acknowledge some of Tomino's old setting notes that weren't used in the series.

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>>15376865
That's not correct.

Those rays of light at various different angles are coming from the colony. That definitely ISN'T beam cannon fire because it doesn't match with the neat formation of Musais firing parallel beams. Unless you think the Musais are inside the colony and are firing out of it at random angles, they're not beams.

You're also missing that the topmost screenshot happens before the Musais start firing at all. It's just a generic explosion. If it was a beam, it would just punch through the colony hull and keep going straight, like when the Feddy warships tried to blow up the Ronah mansion in F91 by shooting beams through it from the outside.

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>>15376841
>Gassing means that there was a actual order to eradicate the entire population of a colony cylinder. As far as I know, there aren't any depictions or descriptions of Zeon fleets deliberately destroying colonies with their beam cannons, so when colonies do get destroyed during battles, it tends to be a result of battle, accidental collateral damage from unguided gunfire that no one actually wants to own up to.
Actually, Zeon did deliberately go in to wipe out the other Sides still aligned with the Federation, which was the whole point of the battle, the only exception being Ramba Ral, who's team went in to capture facilities intact. In the beginning years of the franchise, Nuclear Weapons were used, but recent retcons take the MS-06C out of the lore entirely, with the MS-06F being produced before the war instead of after the Antarctic Treaty, and other sources claim that the colonies were mostly destroyed by cannon bombardment due to the fact that Zeon's nuclear arsenal was limited since Zeon had difficulty acquiring the necessary materials to produce nuclear weapons thanks to the close scrutiny of the Bardot Policy and the stranglehold it on their trade. This is also the reason Zeon agreed to the treaty; most of their nuclear weapons were depleted anyway, and they had very little to fight back against the Federation with should the war come to that, since the Federation's stock of nuclear weapons was far more impressive.

>>15375370

So they own the only worthwhile part of Sentinel then, since the story is padding between fights at best.

Doesn't help either that the MC is completely incompetent and gets his ass saved by AI waifu every time.

>>15376934
Huh, that's pretty well thought out. I hadn't considered that Zeon's nuclear stockpile was small. That said, what's the sources for the MS-06C retcon and the beam cannon bombardment of the sides?

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>>15376955
The MS-06C was, in the earlier days, the MS that was meant to use nuclear weapons in it's armament. It was originally mentioned by Mobile Suit Variation 2 to be the MS most pilots used during the opening battles of the war, but strangely enough, there was no mention of it using nuclear weapons, and it was entirely omitted from development charts in the very same book, with the Zaku II's development starting with the F-type. Entertainment Bible came out and IIRC was the first source to claim the MS-06C had radiation shielding anjd was meant to use nuclear shells; a claim that Gihren's Green echoed, along with many others from that book.

As time went on, the MS-06C just slowly lost it's place as the first Zaku deployed, with some sources showing the MS-06F being produced in small numbers months before the war broke out, being given to a few pilots, and more recently, any mention of the MS-06C has been entirely omitted by more recent timelines in favor of the MS-06F, which is now the primary Zeon Mobile suit deployed at the onset of the war.

As for the scarcity of nukes and Zeon's heavy use of mega particle cannons in the colony attacks, I think it was one of the Master grade manuals that mentioned it (or maybe one of the Master archives?) but I don't remember which off-hand and I don't have them handy at moment to go flipping through, but basically the practicality, availability, and destructive capabilities of the mega particle cannon in comparison to WMDs was a focus of the text.

>>15376978

Fairly certain the MS-06C's role as the first mass-produced Zaku II model has been taken by the MS-06A introduced in MSV-R now, with the MS-06C being the stepping stone towards the MS-06F.

>>15376938
The fact that Sentinel units made it into Unicorn, as well as Hathaway's Flash units, increases the probability of animation for both.

Though S Gundam will probably get a total rewrite to the point where it isn't actually the novels.

>>15374908
>Gundams aren't in general Mary Sues..

Anon,Anon,Anon,do grow up..

>>15375370
>ALICE
It's a shame Sentinel's AGP doesn't take after her supposed appearance. I like it though. Her "being" the mech makes the product actually feel a lot more worthwhile.

>>15374898
Origin was written by Yas. Y'kno, the bad motherfucker whose credit you give to Tomino?
LURK MOAR

>>15374878
Twilight Axis was clearly written to be animated though, like Unicorn. just look at the quick turn around. I don't think it's comparable to random side-stories.

>>15377281
Just shut the FUCK up already.

>>15374980
>Overdesigned clusterfucks
>rad

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>>15375835
>western shit
Pls

>>15376826
>No...it has not. At any point in the franchise, and you are retarded for even thinking this.

Please. Given how each new UC Gundam entry is even more pro-Zeon apologist than the last, it's only a matter of time before we get one that says 'Sure the colony drop was bad, but that doesn't mean that Zeon was wrong!' or alternatively, they'll go and do what one anon suggested once and potray the whole population of Iffish as a bunch of assholes who deserved to be gassed by Zeon. Remember, we already got Thunderbolt, which shows off a bunch of noble, awesome badass Zeeks while they're hanging out in the ruins of a bunch of colonies they genocided without the slightest hint of irony.

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>>15375843
>mfw a silly Jap toy company sets a precedent of International Law that oppresses generations of Androids in the 2100s

>>15374793
>Why is nobody talking about this?
There's nothing to talk about yet. It's a teaser for a reason.

>>15377285

Yea, there's q pretty clear difference between them writing something with the intention of animating it like Unicorn and them animating years old works like...well there are no actual examples of that happening. And Twilight Axis is almost certainly the former, and quite definitely not the latter.

It makes financial sense anyways, since they're double dipping on new material now and rather than just profiting of an animated OVA they can put it out as a light novel first and people will buy both. They can even make original and animation gunpla if they want.

>>15377306

> okay they've never actually done it
> but they will in future
> and that's the same thing
> so it's fine to pretend it's happening now and give out about a potential future possibility like it's a present reality

I think "Japan's glorification of Zeon" is just a dumb fucking meme Western fans have convinced themselves of. Can we stop posting the same posts but with synonyms rearranged in every Gundam thread? It's why /m/ is becoming less relevant as the 2010s go on
More Gundam threads, but all those threads are 75% complaining. Meanwhile, threads about anything else become more scarce. Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture? Nobody's making sense and I smell the same stench as when /co/ suddenly took off their masks to reveal /v/ underneath when this cinematic universe shit started.

>>15375023
McGILLIS FINDS A WAY

How does /m/ think of Ark Performance's works? And why are they the only artists who do UC side material mangas? I think in the 90s, there were a wide array of artists doing this (which gave us stuffs like A/FMSZ-007II Zeta)

>>15374995
>Feddiewank: every other show besides Zeta and Igloo2?

>Unicorn Zeon good guys essentially, "muh la place box, zeon was right"
>Origin C'mon its pure Zeon propaganda
>Thunderbolt- Io is a ass, feddies are asses Darryl and co are cool.
>0083 Feddie incompetence x100
>0080 Hamburger beats a Gundam above the RX78-2 in a f'ed up Zaku, And saving the colony making him (zeek) a hero."
>ZZ again, muh Haman, muh Glemy. Muh Feddies left dublin to die in thee colony drop
>Twilight Axis Zeeks as MC's??

08th MS team is feddiewank i give you that.
But UC is desu more Zeekwank than Feddiewank lets be real

>>15377526

Speaking personally, AP should be able to belt out another nice work as usual. Assuming that nothing fucks up the production process down the road, of course.

The technical designs, at least, will be solid, if MSV-R and Plot to Assassinate Gihren were any indication.

>>15377686

> Unicorn Zeon good guys essentially, "muh la place box, zeon was right"

Unicorn never said Zeon was right. If anything it took pains to say the exact opposite on numerous occasions, with Banagher and Mineva both saying so multiple times.

> 0080 Hamburger beats a Gundam above the RX78-2 in a f'ed up Zaku, And saving the colony making him (zeek) a hero."

Bernie never saved the colony. The fact he didn't is kind of the tragedy of the whole thing, since the colony is saved regardless of whether he fights or not but Al can't tell him. And it's only saved because a Zeon commander wants to nuke it in the first place. It also discounts that Christina prioritizes civilian lives above anything else when fighting Bernie and moves in to what she knows is a trap because it might save lives. It being a trap is also the only reason the Alex received most of it's damage. As soon as she's out of the smoke she finishes the Zaku II in one hit.

> ZZ again, muh Haman, muh Glemy. Muh Feddies left dublin to die in thee colony drop

You mean the same colony that muh Haman dropped in the first place? Yea, that's really painting Zeon in a good light. It paints both factions in a shitty light, not just the Federation.

> Twilight Axis Zeeks as MC's??

You don't actually know then I take it, but are just assuming? No-one seems to really know, if only because there's only a small bit of it out yet and what's out isn't enough to know what direction the plot is going in.

I haven't even seen Origin or Thunderbolt to comment on them, but I'm pretty sure Origin at least is an overstatement as well. I'll let someone else refute them though if they wish, since I wouldn't want to speak to something I haven't seen.

>>15377993
>Banagher and Mineva both saying so multiple times.
>passionate madness

>>15377998

> implying that someone who is passionate is automatically the good guy and his whole cause and any factions it births are by extension

Seriously?

>>15377322
>I think "Japan's glorification of Zeon" is just a dumb fucking meme Western fans have convinced themselves of.

You're full of shit man. Western fans don't fucking draw and publish Gundam comics. The Japs do. And most Gundam comics glorify the Zeon aesthetic and ideology. It's not the western fans doing it, it's the fucking Japs.

>>15374838
>Its not off to a good start

IBO was not to a good start either, didn't stop the stupid Gundam fans from flocking to it for over 49 weeks. Delusion runs strong in the Gundam fandom. You just have to look at the story elements to know before even watching the first effing episode that Gundam Twilight Axis is going to be a piece of shit ova. I take bets.

>>15377306
>Given how each new UC Gundam entry is even more pro-Zeon apologist
You know the first series to portray Zeon soldiers as relatively normal people was 0079, right? This isn't new, writers just have more wiggle room these days to be less black and white about their portrayal of Gundam's factions. Zeon's war crimes are irredeemable and that point comes up very often in Gundam, but the greyness of the overall political tensions between the Federation and Zeon is kind of what makes both factions fascinating. The only time it's ever bothered me is Missing Link, but that has a lot more to do with how ridiculous the plot is than any sort of

A better question would be why the fuck are you getting bent out of shape about it? Are you seriously pathetic enough that a fictional political entity from a giant robot toy commercial is getting portrayed increasingly less black and white grinds your gears? Do you honestly think there's anything wrong with the Japanese seeing a bit of cultural reliability in Zeon?

That is a serious question, by the way. I'd like an answer.

>>15377686
>Twilight Axis Zeeks as MC's??
Actually, They are former Zeon engineer and a test pilot. They had nothing to do with any actual battlefield or conflict.

>>15378603
>than any sort of political leanings of the author.

>>15378603

The problem is how, in some cases, Zeon is portrayed as remarkably more sympathetic than the Feds in a great many respects - and now this is beginning to spread to adaptations.

Take Origin, for instance, and the incident that resulted in the destruction of the agricultural block that served as the foundation for the Zeon uprising. In the manga, the culprit is a bolide that the Federation failed to detect. In the anime, the culprit is, for no discernible reason, an insanely bull-headed Salamis captain who almost kills a liner full of innocent passengers before changing his course, whereupon the Salamis promptly turns into a rocket from a scrape and ploughs in to the block bow-first.

Char's attributes are also amplified immensely and every Fed so far, with the exceptions of Revil and his commander, are made to look like belligerent chickenshit idiots.

The thing that I dont understand is why people get so triggered at the nips portraying Zeon as sympathetic guys.
Most of the franchise focuses on the feddies, you already had your turn.

>>15378638
The franchise focuses on the protagonists, not the Federation. While they may or may not be part of the Federation, a disproportionate amount of screentime is devoted to showing sympathetic Zeeks and having any Fed aligned protagonist start questioning them. Ultimately they keep fighting Zeon but they're the greater of the evils, but never show any of the positives of the Federation. They fight Zeon, but don't necessarily fight for the Federation. Anyway

>Amuro is a Fed pilot that doesn't trust the Federation
>Bernie is a Zeon soldier
>Shiro doesn't believe in the Federation and leaves them
>Kou is fighting Zeon but not fighting for the Federation
>Kamille isn't a Fed
>Judau isn't a Fed
>Amuro by CCA still doesn't believe in the Federation by sees them as a lesser of two evils
>Banahger isn't a Fed

Pretty soon Zeeks will be given Gundams, won't even have to steal them. Like Twilight Axis.

>>15378629
I cant understand why japanese writers using imperial age imagery would possibly do this

Wasn't Sidney almost empty?
Why is everyone still going on about the colony drop? Just fucking let it go.

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>>15378638
It focuses on a small group, and then the rest of the Feddies are a bunch of incompetents.

How often do you see a "YEAH! The Federation is here, and they're kicking the asses of everyone around!" scene that doesn't have the main characters around?

I can think of 3 in the entire UC timeline.
Kobe Byarlant, the GMs fighting in space, and the Federation showing up to help stop Jupiter in Crossbone Gundam.

Where as we're treated to so many scenes of Zeon mobile suits running a train on Federation mobile suits, it's gotten predictable AND boring. You know, maybe I'd like to see a EF mobile suit show up and kick some Zeon mobile suits around for once.
>>15378603
That much is true, but 0079 never batted around the idea that "If you're piloting for Zeon, you're playing ball for the badguys" Sure, it's great that the series remembered that they were human, but the fact still remains.

It just gets really tiresome of having more and more EF atrocities being invented (which are conveiently big enough for people to get super pissed off about it, but small enough that people can pretend it doesn't exist, so it doesn't ruin the canon) so we can have Zeon guys talking about their righteous fury

I get the idea that we're not trying to go ZAFT/EA here, but it really gets old watching people wax poetic justice for Spacenoids, and then they throw a mobile armor into a city and tell it to wreck shit, and then you're asked to believe that "they're not so bad"

The Titans pulled off that shit, and everyone said "oh, we're not having this bullshit". But Zeon, man. Somehow they've always got a rebranding for the Zeon flag, more people willing to throw their lives away for the the cause that didn't work the last time, and maybe some big mobile armor or huge weapon to blast a city with.

>>15376710
F91 was greatness improperly molded

>>15378713

I don't quite follow.

>>15378728
The EF is slowly turning into CE's Earth Alliance, a bunch of evil, cackling heads who want to kill babies.

>>15378753
They've always been like that.

>>15378730
That makes it irrelevant, and they are NOT going to fix it.

>>15378761
Except that's wrong. Most of the leadership in MSG was composed of good, virtuous people even if they had to do a little evil either out of necessity (Revil using the WB as a decoy to buy time) or rigidity (Watkein stubbornly following protocol with top secret machines). Even Matilda, who was a supply officer, was a selfless and good person. Likewise for her husband who defended Jaburo to the death and put some sense into Amuro who felt personal guilt over letting Matlida die and whatnot.

The only truly evil person I can think of on the Federation's side in MSG is that one general who was secretly a Zeon spy. In Zeta and ZZ the federation's evil comes from negligence and elitism, in letting fringe groups like the Titans and Axis doing what they wanted unopposed. But it's still not evil. Likewise for CCA. The first time we see a really evil regular feddie is in F91, where some officer suggests using kids as human shields to scare the Vanguard (stupid since the Cosmo Babylonia's leader was a genocidal maniac).

And then in Victory they're back to being the weak but good guys whose soldiers continue to fight small battles against an overwhelmingly more advanced enemy, until they gather their forces for a literal suicide mission(s) in which notRevil and his fleet fight to the death against the genocidal Zanscare.

It's really clear that in Tomino's vision the Federation is an ineffectual force for good. Yet every side story by some mong tries to make it more and more evil than it was intended to be.

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>>15375416
Being consistent means I've lost my touch?

>>15377032
The big difference between the MS-06C and the MS-06A was it had much heavier armor to help protect it against radiation and the blast . MS-06F just strips off the armor used for that and added a few more thrusters. While the 06C was mass produced, it wasn't a jack of all trades like the 06F, which is why you saw the latter everywhere. Although these books that created the MS-06C also claimed that the Zaku were not able to escape the nuclear blast of the weapons they deployed. Just let that sink in about how silly that sort of weapon would be. Even by Zeon's standards

>>15377686
>Unicorn - is a massive feddiewank because it says that people should just let go of what they are fighting for even if they are in the right. Also point me to a battle where Sleeves or Zeon wins.
>Thunderbolt - The first part that takes place in the Thunderbolt sector played is straight for both sides but after they went to earth it became a massive feddiewank where it's all about Io and his team kicking ass while Daryl is just scraping by.
>0083 - Delaz Fleet is wiped out while the only main Feddie character to die was because of the plot. Also didn't matter what Delaz and Gato did in the end because it would have created a TIME PARADOX since this was before we had separate timelines. Oh and traitorous bitch Cima.
>0080 - Feddiewank because Chris turns Bernie into Hamburgers and all the other zeon characters die. Also there was nothing that put the Federation in a bad light in 0080 since you could say the blame was all on Side 6 for allowing the Feds to set up shop there and violate the antarctic treaty.
>ZZ massive feddie wank because it shows that Zeon will fall into a civil war, then get beaten by a bunch of kids and the Federation comes out smelling like a rose.

>>15378887
As for Origin, it was time and again where Zeon was undermined by themselves. Like the attack on Jaburo or Kycilla single handedly causing Zeon to lose the Battle of A Baoa Qu by setting off a civil war during the DECISIVE BATTLE with the Federation. and Char killing Kycilla which leads to a chain reaction that causes the remaining high command to get killed along with destroying the Dolos and a portion of A Baoa Qu. The only thing that Origin really changed was humanizing the Zabis outside of making Kycilla even more of a cutthroat bitch.

>>15378629
>an insanely bull-headed Salamis captain who almost kills a liner full of innocent passengers before changing his course, whereupon the Salamis promptly turns into a rocket from a scrape and ploughs in to the block bow-first.

Actually, the Federation commander was technically in the right, there. In Origin, Zeon, while politically independent, still cowtows to the Federation on all military matters. The incoming Salamis was on a priority mission, and military protocol automatically overrides any civilian proceedings, no matter how important. The civilian transport pilot was foolish to think challenging a military vessel to what is essentially a game of chicken was within his duties or even a good idea in any sense. The event was merely used by Zeon hardliners to further incite anti-Federation sentiment.

>every Fed so far, with the exceptions of Revil and his commander, are made to look like belligerent chickenshit idiots.
That's kind of an overarching trope of UC Gundam, though; the majority of leadership that aren't the protagonists or the main villains are usually imbeciles. This is far from limited to the Federation.

>>15378688
That's kind of the Federation's shtick; they're the lesser of two evils, but they are FAR from trustworthy and the leadership will gleefully expend their more disposable assets if it will benefit them, be they military or civilian. That's kind of where anti-federation sentiment finds it's source in the first place; they tend to range from uncaring to downright neglectful or even inhumane.

>>15378728
>Where as we're treated to so many scenes of Zeon mobile suits running a train on Federation mobile suits
Well, Zeon ARE the villains. Half the point of good guy grunts is to job to the villains to make them seem threatening. You'll notice that AEUG grunts tend to blow up a lot to Federation/Titans troops as well.

>>15378728
>Where as we're treated to so many scenes of Zeon mobile suits running a train on Federation mobile suits
Well, they ARE the villains, and half the point of good guy grunts is to job to the bad guys to make them seem threatening.

You'll notice that GM IIs and Nemos tend to blow up a lot in Zeta, too.

>>15379341
>That's kind of the Federation's shtick; they're the lesser of two evils
We're never shown the actual good the Federation does, they're always defenders of the status quo which makes them opponents of change. Writers are taking that trait to hyperbole levels, I'd rather have them as the well intentioned but ultimately ineffectual inheritors of humanity's future rather than this big, faceless, corrupt government that is adverse to change.

>>15378638
The answer is actually pretty damn simple, you see as 0079 is pretty much a metaphor for ww2/a bit of ww1 intermixed with various other historical presidents the solution becomes clear.

Because the federation is the metaphorical representation of the brits but mainly the United States of America. So the answer becomes stupidly simple.

Americans are fed a nigh unstoppable feed of ww2 and cold war propaganda tier movies and games that endlessly feature varying degrees of the USofA as the later half underdogs fighting up against the morally black nazis/IJN or dastardly commies.

So if we follow this parallel then morally this explains why people have such a shit fit with sympathetic portrayals of the black side and unflattering portrayals of the white side. The bad guys are uniformly told to us to be evil. The democratic good guys are uniformly supposed to be good.

This is why when as others have stated, a sympathetic moment arises for the villains the subconscious (hopefully or maybe even conscious) Amerifat viewers get triggered because this pretty much goes against what they have predominantly been shown their entire lives.

This also explains why the Nipongo creators feel like making a good deal of those moments to balance out the story because that is what probably damn well happened to them and their families during ww2. Not all enemy soldiers are morally black or even philosophically entrenched with the crazies in power. This simplistic fact does not exist in the mind of the average American.

For gods sake even Battlefield 1 which is about ww1 and came out recently lacks any campaign for austria or germany.

>>15379446
Thats completely retarded, a whole level of retardation higher than saying Japs love Zeon because of their imperialistic nature.

>>15379374
>We're never shown the actual good the Federation does, they're always defenders of the status quo which makes them opponents of change.

"Defenders of the status quo" are pretty much literally all the Federation's ever been. That's... actually the most apt description of their role in Gundam I've ever heard.

>Writers are taking that trait to hyperbole levels
Kind of hard to take that any further than Gundam already has.

>I'd rather have them as the well intentioned but ultimately ineffectual inheritors of humanity's future rather than this big, faceless, corrupt government that is adverse to change.

They've been the latter since Zeta.

Stop pretending the Feds have been anything but a colossal waste of time in comparison to Zeon's actively dangerous zealotry. The whole point of UC is that humanity still can't fucking get anywhere because the bureacrats hold everything back and right wing nutjobs on the other side pervert any attempt at change into mass murder.

>>15379480
>The whole point of UC is that humanity still can't fucking get anywhere because the bureacrats hold everything back and right wing nutjobs on the other side pervert any attempt at change into mass murder.

I always kind of felt like Gundam was essentially a much more pessimistic outlook on science fiction's many tropes, particularly about the concept of a unified government spanning earth and space.

I think that's what attracted me to it's universe in a broader sense. The Federation was a refreshing take on the protagonist faction in a space opera, in that they're hardly good guys themselves; they're just the less shitty alternative to a gaggle of crazies.

>>15379465
Japs are not even that imperialistic anymore, also if you are looking at post ww2 imperialists look no further than the united states.

I don't know. As an ex colony I always simpathized with Zeon a lot more.