Who would win in a fight?

>>15366752
the one with waist armour

>>15366761
This. The waist is the root of all punching, throwing, swinging, upper body attacks.

Even if the God Gundam weren't outright stronger the Barbatos would get rekt as soon as Domon smashes the waist.

>>15366853
>>15366761
this whole waist armor thing doesn't work.

The Frame materials in IBO are made of a stupid alloy that also gets bonus points from the Dual Ahab Reactor wave particles on Gundam Frames. The Frame is stronger than any waist armor.

>>15366752
The one that has a pilot with more autism, of course.

>>15366752
>Implying anything else in the Gundam franchise can stand against shonenshit and Meme Finger

>>15367141

Devil Gundam at the very least could. It was only because Rain left the cockpit and Domon activated a love power up that it was defeatable at all. If Rain had stayed there God Gundam wouldn't have been able to defeat it.

>>15366752
I doubt nanolaminate armor can do much against God Finger or a Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken.

>>15367302
That's because Domon couldn't hurt Rain...

The Devil Gundam's Final form was getting wrekt by the God Gundam and Domon didn't even try.

If Domon had the guts to kill Rain it would've been over instantly since the Devil Gundam can't even function without a human core.

>>15366752
Domon could win without a mobile suit.

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Who wins?
100 Master Asias vs 10 Silverback Barbatos

>>15367141
Space alien understanding gundam and SORE DEMO understanding gundam can.

>>15366752
just fucking accept barbatos is in the lowest bottom of the barrel compared to any other gundam

>>15367642
One should do the job if he has a scarf. Could you at least give some thing for the other 99 Master Asias to do.

>>15367759

Not him, but it is at the least better than the original, the Alex, the Ez-8, the GP-01, the Strike, the Impulse, the AGE-1 and maybe even the Freedom, Strike Freedom and Exia speaking just of lead Gundams. It's certainly one of the weaker ones, but it's not the weakest or least useful by any stretch.

>>15367779
Most UC suits are powerless against it. All MS in IBO have a painted on I-field that took a late-UC era beam stream several shots to wear down. Even typical conventional weaponry is almost useless. Machine guns routinely do nothing, Kimaris tanked two missiles with nearly no damage just stun, and even most of the melee weapons aren't that good unless they're specifically made of that rare metal the Gundams themselves are made of.

Most UC suits up to Victory era won't be able to do shit based on showings. Typical beam weapons are nearly useless and IBO Gundams are definitely one of the physically stronger bunch. Not to mention IBO gundams can be surprisingly fast, like Vidar going Behind You! against the Barbatos.

The Lupus Rex probably isn't top-tier but it's definitely one of the stronger Gundams because of the armor and physical strength, and it has a type advantage against anything that uses a beam. Not to mention it has a more advanced version of the F91 biocomputer that also gives the pilot superhuman spatial awareness like a pseudo-newtype.

>>15367779
>maybe even the Freedom, Strike Freedom and Exia speaking just of lead Gundams
That's bullshit and you know it. Nanolaminate armor can deflect beams, sure, but only for so long. Hell, most of the Gundams in your list all have at least beam sabers.
I'd put Barbatos over Alex, Ez-8/Ground, and Strike.

>>15367900
>that took a late-UC era beam stream several shots to wear down.
You have anything to support this?

>>15367906
Hashmal's beam instantly tore up the ground for miles and wiped out the entire agricultural town in a single hit.

>>15367937
Early U.C. beam weapons are capable of thay as well.

>>15367937
Yes, and the Apsalus III a machine from the One Year War blasted a whole in a mountain. The beam from the Hashmal did not tear up the ground for miles, it was a farm not a town. Beams in the Universal Century formed from condensing Minosvky Particles produce an immense amount of heat. The Hashmal's beam is mostly concussive and meant for use against people not Mobile Suits.

>>15367900
>took a late-UC era beam stream several shots to wear down
We really don't know the exact power of the Hashmal's beam.

>>15366752
Is IBO ripping off Gothicmade aesthetics now?

>>15367950

Not him, but what early UC beam weapon wiped out a town (or farm, no idea, didn't even see it) in a hit?

>>15367987
Hard to judge because they're never directly fired at a town, there's scenes with Psyco Gundam destroying a large portion of Neo Hong Kong with it's many beams. Really it wasn't even the beam that did all the damage, it was diffused and inflicted some damage along with starting some fires that caused explosions in the Agricultural Center.

I don't get why people so seriously debate the actual power of Hashmal's beam. Its just a generic not!mega-particle beam same as in any other AU. People don't debate the strength beam weaponry in Wing, Seed, G gundam, etc this hotly.

>>15368064
Because it's literally the only beam weapon we see in the entirety of IBO. We're bound to wonder exactly how powerful it is and what its place is in a universe with only physical-based weaponry.

>>15367969
It can be inferred to be relatively dispersed and weak since the HG manual says its intended for use against people, not Mobile Suits.

>>15368064
Its the only beam in the show so its the only way to gauge the strength of beams in IBO, when a broad statement about IBO's nano-laminate being able to defeat all beams because it has so far only visibly defeated one beam the validity of this has to be questioned.

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>>15367962
The Apsalus meme is funny but it's a single anomaly in UC. The ZZ's hi-mega cannon uses up more power than its 7340KW reactor can output and the hi-mega cannon's best feat is blowing up a small weapons shed on the moon. It comes nowhere near the Apsalus 3's feat despite having 2x the power dedicated to it. In fact no weapon ever comes close to the Apsalus 3's beam. Even the colony laser wasn't that powerful. They used the colony laser on Gates of Zedan or Axis and all it did was push the rock away rather than obliterate it. The Apsalus 3 is just garbage UC fanboys prop up even though it's from a horrifically inconsistent, poorly written show that doesn't fit in with the established UC canon at all.

Even if the Apsalus 3's main gun is canon there isn't a single weapon that ever reproduces that firepower in the UC timeline so it's a pointless comparison.

>>15367962
>The beam from the Hashmal did not tear up the ground for miles, it was a farm not a town.
Except it did and they show us a pan out of the hashmal's beam traveling across the land. Pic related is just a sample, it goes on longer after this. If that road is is like 3x 5m wide lanes (it's big enough to fit at least 5 limos when we see the road in the episode), then that shot alone is already several hundreds of meters. And no it was not a farm, they literally show us the town. The farms are the huge crop circles behind the town that we see in an overhead shot.

>>15367962
>Beams in the Universal Century formed from condensing Minosvky Particles produce an immense amount of heat. The Hashmal's beam is mostly concussive and meant for use against people not Mobile Suits.
Except that's literally untrue as the Hashmal's beam burns down the entire town and leaves Ride's MS steaming like it was just cooked even though Nanolaminate is so strong that it can survive atmospheric re-entry without burning up the armor (even if the pilot gets slow roasted)

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>>15368102
>It can be inferred to be relatively dispersed and weak since the HG manual says its intended for use against people, not Mobile Suits.
Because MS have nanolaminate, which even ancient suits straight out of 300 years of storage still have, like Barbatos in its first launch and Bael which is supposed left exactly as it was when Agnika used it. Even feat-wise we see beams in F91 barely do anything to actual rock terrain besides blow some of it apart. Hashmal's beam has an excellent feat that sets it apart.

>>15368064
Wing's buster rifle outputs the same power as a medium sized city. There's nothing to debate. Even by today's standards, much less AC's, it puts every MS carried weapon in UC to shame by miles and miles. SEED and G Gundam don't have good feats for their beam weapons that make it stand out against UC.


The town and the plants are completely different things. If Hashmal burned down all of that including the town we see getting wrecked then it's a feat in its favor because those canyons dwarfed the hashmal, putting the entire agricultural plant at kms in size.

The mental gymnastics IBOfags have to go through to defend their shitty show.

>>15367779

Is this bait? Cuz you can't possibly be anymore wrong.

>>15367432

Uh, not really no. When Domon used a full power Sekiha Tenkyoken on the Grand Master Gundam Ulube just laughed and it literally didn't scratch him. It took the entire Shuffle Alliance going hyper mode and using a combined Sekiha Tenkyoken to defeat the Grand Master Gundam. After which Domon ran off on his own and was getting crushed by Devil Gundam tentacles until, again, he had to activate hyper mode to get out of them. After which he finally fought came up the Devil Gundam's final form. He attacked it, but he never did particular damage to it - just some superficial damage to the shoulder. Which is hardly "wreckt". Just because he was getting ready to use a big attack on it like a Sekiha Tenkyoken means nothing, because another form of the Devil Gundam already no-sold it. And having to go hyper mode just to reach her is hardly "didn't even try".

>>15367779
How the fuck can it beat Exia? IBO MS obviously can get fucked by blunt damage, and the exia has like 3 weapons that can be used as blunt sticks to beat the thing to death. Not only that, Exia can go Trans Am.

>>15368342
Speaking of the GN Blades, doesn't the particle coating on them give them an effectively monomolecular edge. They should be able to go full ginsu on Barby.

>>15368342
>Not only that, Exia can go Trans Am.

Big deal, murder manlet can just sacrifice a limb or two and now they can fight on equal terms until the plot calls for the dramatic eye-bleed.

Time limit's up? Exia's fucked. While IBO autists can at least have something cool and edgy to show their spastic friendos.

>>15368397
The GN Blades are meant to penetrate GN Fields since beam weapons cannot. And GN Fields are fucking tough. They could probably carve through nanolaminate like butter.

>>15366752
Lupus

>>15369525
>Lupus
It's never Lupus...

>>15367900
>>15367779
>He think UC era beams are laser beams.

UC era beam weapon is not a technically beam weaponry but use Minovsky Particle to work with. Unlike other Gundam series UC relies shit ton on Minovsky Particle to work from communication to power plant. UC era beam akin to a high velocity rail gun

If anything UC Mega Particle Cannon could do the trick

>>15366752
Barbatos doesn't stand a chance.

>>15369673
The Bael's wings has railguns and they didn't do a thing against the Kimaris Vidar besides pester it. Railguns are seriously overrated.

>>15369673
Freedom has multiple types of beam weapons and Age 1 weapons didn't work against Vagans

>>15370416

They're called electromagnetic cannons but let's not kid ourselves here, they were just shitty vulcans with a fancy name. It's explicitly stated that Bael was similar to the Epyon in that it only really needed it's sword to fight and everything else was secondary to it and nowhere near as good or important.

>>15370455

We should probably stop kidding ourselves that a particle will have as much mass as a hunk of rock or steel to make it a railgun while we're at it. Minovsky beams do have mass, but not nearly that much.

The properties of IBO's nano laminate armor is not very consistent, it can be burned off except it can't?

>>15370477
I don't think that was the point.

>>15370455
No it's said Agnika only needed the swords to fight. It's not like Bael was made by Agnika, not even in that headcanon about Agnika's dad and Agnika being the one behind MAs. I don't know what you're trying to suggest here. The only ranged weapons that have actually done any legitimate harm to a Gundam in IBO is the dainslief warhead, which is a huge metal pile as tall as a MS being launched from an externally powered railgun, and Barbatos's stupid HUEG mace being thrown at people.

And let's be honest here, UC beam weapons are still mostly just heat weapons. Sure they have some kick but they're not going to have even as much as a regular machine gun much less a rocket or axe, all of which IBO Gundams have tanked.

>>15370487
He just said UC beam weapons are basically railguns!

>>15367642
100 is overkill

>>15370555
>He just said UC beam weapons are basically railguns!
I thought the point was they have properties not found in IBO and technically weren't beam weapons meaning there is no way to tell how well laminate armor would work.

All beams are not the same property wise even within shows.

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>>15367987
The rick dom reactors strapped together with Direct X as OS could do this to a mountain

>>15370585
Minosvky and GN Particles have some unique properties, common among them is something that disrupts radar.

>>15366752
>domon literally punches through the mace bearing down on him and into the cockpit

splattered murder manlet

>>15370585
Well so far nanolaminate is like a temporary phase-shift painted on and also extremely heat resistant. AFAIK UC beams don't have any unique properties that make them different from any old charged particle weapons. Minovsky particles just have the property of disrupting communications and damaging unshielded electronics but I think Ahab reactors do the same thing since every single Gundam show clones UC one way or another.

>>15368156
It's actually more impressive since this was a ricochet rather than a direct hit.

>>15370609
Don't they say the nanolaminate can be burned off with napalm in one of the S1 battles?

>>15368397
the effect of GN particles on nanolaminate armor is debatable but I think that the shear size of the blades should have some effect. It helps that just about all of Exia's blades are good stabbing weapons so a good hit at a joint or seam should penetrate the armor.

Ofcourse, there's assumptions about e-carbon vs nanolaminate but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say their mechanical strength is about the same, beam weapons not withstanding.

>>15370657
It was special anti-ship napalm and we never saw it used successfully.

>>15370609
Ahab waves damage electronics.

>>15370672
Why would anyone use napalm in space?

>>15370642
The farm only caught fire though. When it fought with Barbatos the surroundings weren't all that damaged.

>>15370800
>Why would anyone use napalm in space?

My guess is that it's some kind of super oxidizer that works against nanolaminate.

>The farm only caught fire though. When it fought with Barbatos the surroundings weren't all that damaged.

The buildings were also destroyed, the people killed by concussion, and ALL the plants were on fire. Considering the scale of the farm we're talking carpet bombing levels of firepower.

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What IBO suit could beat this monster?

>Faster than the Gelgoog High Mobility which is faster than the Gundam; which as on screen animation shows is just as fast as any IBO Gundam frame
>Can equip a massive 880mm bazooka and a 120mm machine gun
>IBO grunts blow up at 100mm
>Scattering beam gun blinds anyone who tries to melee it
>Large heat blade with a thruster built in for sheer speed and power

Inb4 muh limit break, can't do shit if you're blind after all.

>>15370800
>Ahab waves damage electronics.

No, they interfere with wireless communication (This was directly established in the first episode when Gaelio and McGillis are talking on the ship). If they actively damaged electronics you wouldn't be able to use them in ships and MS at all and they would wreak havoc on any base ms were being stored at. They're banned from cities because apparently cities run on wireless networks in ibo.

These threads are fucking stupid.

>>15366752
I'm not sure how Mika could deal with the guy able to split his gundam into seven legit clones. Even the people in Domon's own show thought that was some bullshit

>>15367900
Oh can it Hashmal, your beam was weak

>>15370555
>He just said UC beam weapons are basically railguns!

Similar but not the same. UC mega particle canon shoot high velocity molten projectile that will not be effected by magnetic field

>>15368401
This better be bait. You seriously cant believe this right?