Who said this was good?

>>15360801
People who never read it

I don't know what others think, but for me it was pretty fun and entertaining

People who can form their own opinions.

>>15360801
The original was quite good.
Skull Heart was a fun gag manga.
I enjoyed the story of Steel Seven as well, it reminded me of Yamato.
Ghost was (is?) dumb.
I feel Crossbone is vastly overrated by folks who haven't even read it, so natrually the hate for it is a bit over the top to compensate.

>>15360801
Me.

>>15360801
I like it. Read also Skull Heart and Steel 7. Reading Ghost and it ain't bad.

>>15360801
Me
>>15360809
The irony, Jesus. On how many layers of irony are you right now?

>>15361758
To an extent he's right, there are tons of guys out there hyping it up who've not even read it - you see them everywhere in Youtube comments.

I did, it was all me. I just kept saying it until everyone believed it.

>>15360801
not reallly

>>15360801
>Cookie cutter villain
>Boring characters
>Previously good characters turned into boring characters
>Bad mecha designs

>>15360801
no one

>>15360801
I like it but, I'm gonna be honest I really don't want it animated honestly. Even if it could fix the issues it has (of which there are plenty)

That said when I say I like it I only really mean the original and steel seven should of honestly just been that and left at that honestly. It's a shame that Crossbone is the only attention late UC gets.

>>15364838
Victory Gundam is late UC.

>>15360886
>well, it reminded me of Yamato.
Well that explains SRWV, I figured it was just a Harlock reference, putting those two together

>>15366098
Wasn't it that at one point in the original Yamato they wanted to put in Harlock?

>>15367226

Yeah, Mamoru, Kodai's brother, was meant to reappear as Harlock later in the original Yamato, but they cut that plotline and just had him reappear to stay in Iskandar due to the show getting cancelled.

>>15367253
OH.

Well that's a big pity. Hell...it's actually sad.

>>15367226
Yeah, but then the show got cut short due to ratings. He briefly appears in the manga but you never see his face.

>>15367284
Darn. Wonder why they never did turn Mamoru into Harlock in the newer Yamato.

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The Keroro anime's parody of Yamato actually referenced the Mamoru/Harlock stuff.

>>15367289

Probably because Yamato's rights were disputed for years, while Harlock ended up completely owned by Leiji Matsumoto. It was eventually ruled that Leiji owned no part of Yamato, so it's very unlikely they'll ever go there again.

Worst Cecily

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>>15367289
At least there is one show that had a noteworthy male character become a Harlock.

>>15360801
Even people who like have been saying for over a decade now that if it was ever adapted into an anime there would need to be a lot of changes.

>>15367438
I don't really see much need to change the story for the first entry. It made for great game scenarios for SD G Gen games. Even the next two entries are okay to stay the same as well.

>>15360801
Crossbone is a solid story and, even if Hasegawa's style could not please many people, the action scenes were cool. Skull Heart was fun and Steel 7 a good "conclusion" to the saga.
I did not start Ghost because it is incomplete but I suspect there are not too many connections with the past (well except Tobia and the Crossbone), just my speculation.
Anyway, a really nice manga.
And X3 is fantastic!

Most people were introduced to Crossbone via the few games that excellently showed off its coolness in MS and pilots (most notably SD Gundam G Gen Spirits), so that's why it's very easy to get hooked by the manga, regardless of any visual complaints. As a reader of Ghost, I can tell you that it is a very derivative story to the original and really feels cheap in a generic shounen sense, but some of the mech and weapon concepts are interesting (ex: they finally combined the muramasa blaster with the peacock smasher) and there is old UC nostalgia to a late UC setting (ex: revisiting Jaburo), so it's entertaining to read, but awfully shitty to comprehend. I still like the franchise though.

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>>15360801

To me everything before Ghost is interesting given they're fighting the Jovian forces proper and not some remnants.

Though it was nice to see these Girls in Ghost, though I hope they don't share the same fate as the Shrike squad from Victory that they're named after.

It's pretty mediocre. The mecha designs, however, are some of the best in the entire franchise.

In relation to Victory Gundam, did the Zanscare Empire get some of it's technology from the Jupiter Empire or Jovian forces?

The beam rotor thing found on the Jovian helicopter Mobile Armor is similar to that on the transformable Zanscare Mobile Suits.

>>15367709
My brother, I like the Rear Shrike girls too. I hear they survived at the end of Ghost, but I am hoping they won't appear in Dust just to be sure.

>>15367347
He still owns visual rights, afaik. Just not story rights. like G Yamato shows up in the new Harlock manga.

Can anyone explain how, despite the Jovian colonies having considerable wealth, they can't solve their resource deficiency?

>>15360801
Duel

>>15367347
What a pity.

>>15367401
Heh. Googled that and gonna watch it.

>>15368487
Crux's murder boner. At least until Bernadette took over and got shit together.

>>15367793
>>15367709
What do they pilot anyway?

>>15367784
One of the later Victory episodes had them pretty much confirm that Kagatie had extensive ties to Jupiter. That's where they built the Angel Halo too.

>>15370950
>Heh. Googled that and gonna watch it.
What show is that? It looks interesting.

>>15370984
Goldran is what popped up.

Ougon Yuusha Goldran.

>>15370995
>Ougon Yuusha Goldran.
Brave Saga's always a good bet.

>>15370970

Black Victory 1s

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>>15370970

>What do they pilot anyway?

The mass produced Victory Gundam apparently:

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/LM312V06_Victory_Gundam_Hexa

>>15367793

I heard them, Jack and Tobia are still around at the end of Ghost.

The middle one is an oddity given I thought Jack Friday was working for the Jupiter faction.

>>15371145
Huh, so Hasegawa did make Tomino's wish of properly having multiple Victory Gundams at once come true after all.

>>15371145
They seem pretty shit at their job

>>15371231

>They seem pretty shit at their job

If you mean the mass produced Gundams, yeah they aren't exactly top notch.

I think all of the Federation's equipment at the time was less than stellar compared to what the Zanscare forces had access to given that the Federation was struggling financially or something.


Now if you mean the Girls piloting them, I assume they were either green or in training given they have the designation of "rear".

Though being poor at one's job is probably what saved them given what happened to the Shrike squad proper.

>>15371254
One of the girls had to pilot the Phantom Gundam while the MC was busy doing computer stuff to track something. They're pretty okay.

>>15364894
No shit?

I meant attention as in not can attention but kits and media, crossbone still has on going sequels. I victory hardly gets official attention in anyway aside from shoutouts in crossbone shit and the occasional Victory or V2 kit.

>>15371288

>victory hardly gets official attention

I've heard it said that Bandai doesn't think much of the late UC.

However, in relation to Victory, it seems Tomino himself looks down on it to a certain degree as he has been quoted in a booklet as saying it isn't his best work.

To me, the late UC era is a gold mine waiting to be tapped as there is still 800+ years of history to go in it before the UC era is through.

>>15371313
Yeah bandaid doesn't give a shit and even tomino wrote it off well at least victory.

Also I. With you it's a gold mine waiting g to be tapped but they'd just rather stay with early if as it's safer.

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Is it me or is Zabine a tad out of character in the Manga?

I was rather hoping he would have left the Vanguard for good or try and founded his own Vanguard as becoming a pirate seems a little beneath his character.

>>15371364
The Crossbone Vangaurd aren't actually pirates.

>>15371364
there wasn't much of a character to his F91 appearance in the first place.

>>15371388

Still, it seems like he should have left the Vanguard when it became clear they were abandoning Cosmo Aristocracy.

>>15360801
Remind me what the main villain's motivation was again. I remember it was him being absolutely butthurt about something stupid, but I can't remember what.

Actually, weren't all the Crossbone villains pretty stupid overall?

>>15373218
Early days of the jupiter colonies sucked shit because of super limited air, water, and food resources and the EF basically abandoned them. Once Jupiter got its shit together and the colonies weren't total hellholes they started trading helium 3 which caused the EF to take interest again and they strong armed their leader into a political marriage with an Earthnoid. Basically he was pissed at Earth for abandoning them and then having the gall to come back and try to force a leash on the Jupiter colonies.

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>>15371582
Berah and her cousin promised the return of Aristocracy to their followers at first, but Zabine and his cronies saw better chances of getting it though Dogatie.

>>15373218
Low Resources for his people and the Federation arranging a political marriage with him to maintain the peace( or something along that line.)
Thing is he got envious of earth and wanted them to live like jovians.

>>15373253
He felt insulted by the political marriage and doubt that his waifu bore his kid (age gap).

In the larger scheme of things, between F91, Crossbone and Victory, Jupiter just really wanted to fuck earth up.

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>>15373253
>>15373256

>Jupiter just really wanted to fuck earth up.

Though his actions are reprehensible, I'm not sure I can fault him for wanting to bring War upon the Federation and supporting their enemies.

In truth, however, there were probably better ways he could have done so.

Though, truth be told, I'm wondering if he should have perhaps waited longer to build up his military machine given the Federation was weakening dramatically in the years following the Gryps conflict.

I enjoyed the first book.

The art style isn't the best, but it's a decent read.

DUDE PIRATE GUNDAM CLOAKS LMAO

>>15373254

> Berah and her cousin promised the return of
Aristocracy

> at first

So Berah went back on her word?

>>15374697
There's a lot of seemingly silly aspects of Crossbone's design, but they explained most of it away. Including the cloak.

>>15373253
>>15373254
>political marriage

What fucking year is it? Does that even exist anymore?

And didn't he end up falling in love with her anyway?

>>15374722

> What fucking year is it? Does that even exist anymore?

It may be the future, but it's still politics you're dealing with.

Keep in mind this is the same Federation that was willing to give in to Haman Karn's demands and the same one that would be hamstrung in their response to the Zanscare Empire via red tape.


> And didn't he end up falling in love with her anyway?

It is implied he loved her to a certain extent, or as much as a man shaped by the weight of managing the Jovian struggle could be after so many decades.

>>15371145

Is the blonde in the bottom left wearing blackface?

>>15374719
Gundams are silly to begin with.

Could someone summarize Ghost for me? I've been curious about it since playing SRWV put me in a Crossbone mood.

>>15374798
"Fuck Uso and the League Militaire, Tobia and the Crossbone Vanguard were the true saviors in the Zanscare war"

>>15374810
How?

>>15374814
Crossbone Vanguard did a lot of stuff behind the scenes that weakened Zanscare.

Most of the credit goes to Uso and League Militaire since they took on the full might of Zanscare.

>>15374814
Basically, their mission was to destroy the Angel's Call, an artifact that would be used to have Angel Halo operate at full capacity.

>>15374798

Supposedly something foul is going on between the Jovian Colonies and the Zanscare Empire.

An unknown bacterial life form with the power to break down organic matter was found on a derlect Crossbone Vanguard supply ship (by Tobia and Teteith while on an exploratory mission to find new resources for the Jovian Colonies) that was struck by a comet somewhere near Saturn. A sample was stolen by some joker named "Erin" for what I assume is sale to an agency that will deliver it into Zanscare hands.

Some Zanscare Vice Admiral (Kizo) is looking to acquire it for his own schemes in possible relation to the "Angel's Halo" weapon.

Information about this is somehow intercepted by an amateur hacker on Side 3, beginning the plot.

>>15374935

> the full might of Zanscare.

On the subject of that, is it explained how so many factions get away with building a warmachine behind the Federation's back?

The Principility of Zeon, Cosmo Babylonia , the Jupiter Empire and the Zanscare Empire seemed to have built their military presence without alerting the Federation to it's true scope what so ever.

I could maybe see Jupiter given how far away they are from the Federation, but the other three seem kind of odd when they're in orbit of Earth

>>15375049
Zeon is the Federation's bad, but everything after that is from them being lazy or falling apart in late UC. Zanscare itself was armed by a branch of the SNRI going full retard.

>>15375049
The Federation was messed up from years of fighting Zeon and its various incarnations so by the time Zanscare and Cosmo Babylonia became threats they were almost helpless. Also Jupiter might have been helping Zanscare and Cosmo Babylonia keep their militarization secret.

>>15360801
IT WAS ME.

>>15375071

>was armed by a branch of the SNRI going full retard.

I read that the scientists involved in that particular think tank were coerced into doing the Zanscare Empire's bidding.

>>15375169
Probably threatened with the guillotine.

>>15375205

Or "exile into space", which is possibly worse given what I've seen.

How vital is the Jupiter Energy Fleet to Earth's needs anyway?

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>>15367749

>The mecha designs, however, are some of the best in the entire franchise.

Some are a bit wonky though, even for Gundam.

Like this thing.

>>15374958
>Information about this is somehow intercepted by an amateur hacker on Side 3, beginning the plot
Oh for gods sake.

Hasegawa can come up with interesting ideas, but the way he puts them into narrative is so fucking bad. Are the villains in Ghost every bit as moustache twirling as his other ones too?

>>15378515
The villian in Ghost is particularly the worst one yet. Always shit-eating grins, carries his fancy sword in every scene, some fetish for using women and clowns to do his dirty work, and pilots a golden, weird-looking MS with shonen-tier hax powers of immobilizing enemy MS. Really just a mix of Gym and Scirocco. Absolutely bland and forgettable villian, which is mainly why I dislike Ghost.

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>>15378515

Well, they are a tad predictable from what I've seen.

However, they old true to how they'd be respective to their factions.

Like Vice Admiral Kizo, who is ever bit as Zanscare as you could expect.

The Zanscare also aren't afraid to execute children.

>>15378551

He's also a bit of a bastard to his men, as I believe he allows the Jupiter representatives he's dealing with to give a demonstration of their abilities against his men.

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>>15373256

>Jupiter just really wanted to fuck earth up.

Yeah, I'm kind of figuring that when I read that the Jovian Divinads were all armed with Nuclear weapons and were each powered by 12 unstable Fusion reactors, making them heavily armed, flying dirty bombs.


However, one might have to question, why didn't any of Crux's subordinates point out that Jovian leader would be a hypocrite to his own rhetoric by using such a super weapon to wreck the planet?

As far as the common soldier is concerned, isn't the whole point of the Jovian invasion to capture the Earth and it's resources for the Jupiter Empire?

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>>15374764

No, it's just the way her mouth is drawn.

She is tan in complexion though.

>>15360801
It's not bad but the artwork is jarringly different and slap-dash from most Gundams.

It's also about as close to literally "What if Gundam was a pirate?" story you could ever do. Most stylized technology is lifted straight up from pirate folklore, almost as if it was meant to fit in with Harlock or something. When there IS a slight bit of justification for something (hurr, MS have four verniers that coincidentally look like crossbones because of Jupiter's gravity) fanboys parade it around like it's not just an excuse.

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Is it me or does this guy from Ghost look like Solid Snake and Master Asia a bit?

>>15378912
There will be a lot of PUNISHED jokes if this part is ever gonna be translated, won't there?

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>>15379012

And many jokes about how one can fly a machine with two people in the cockpit.

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>>15379012
>>15379066

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>>15379075
She's really feeling the force of that cockpit.

>>15378912
War has changed.

>>15378444
its an easy if though, just make the boots detachable boosters+weapon pods and it a pretty stylish suit

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>>15379085

> She's really feeling the force of that cockpit.

It must be fairly substantial then.

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>>15378551

> some fetish for using women

With some very odd choice of piloting attire.

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>>15378551
>>15379152

Did the Jovians give any consideration at all to what normal Earth Gravity is like when building their units?

It's mentioned their Batara design had difficulty standing in Earth Gravity.

It's also mentioned as one of the Elcopte's flaws.

>>15360801
I like it a lot
mainly because space pirates have always been a thing I valued, and the crossbone looks really nice

>>15379075
giant robots AND darkskin? that's all my boner in a single page.
where do I get a translation?

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>>15378871

He definitely has a knack for punching Queens and Princesses.

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>>15379190

Unfortunately, the group who was translating it seemed to have stop for some unexplained reason.

I do hope they resume however.

>>15379304
IIRC Zeonic stopped translating Ghost because he didn't like it. So you'll have to find another scanlator group that's willing to translate it, or learn moon and do it yourself.

>>15379420

>Zeonic stopped translating Ghost because he didn't like it

Oh wow, really?

Is it true Seabook shows up again in Ghost and kicks some ass?

>>15379420
Either those, or Nozaku will probably do it, depending on circumstances.

>>15379478

Yes, though Tobia is hesitant to call upon him as he and Berah settled down, started a family and started up a bakery I believe.

>>15379478
Yup, his kids wound up drafted in the League Militaire, so he had to act.

>>15379557

>drafted in the League Militaire

I thought they were a volunteer military organization?

>>15378847

And to add to that, why are they wasting the resources they could use to produce a Colony to build a Colony Laser?

And why is water rare in the Jupiter Sphere when at least one moon has plenty of frozen water?

>>15379547
Wasn't that Steel 7?

>>15377904
Very vital if they want to keep using cleanish energy. They handle nearly the entire supply of helium-3 which is a key component in fusion reactors. This was so important that during the oyw zeon and the EF both agreed not to touch or interfere with the energy fleet for fear of having their supplies cut off.

>>15380466

So if Crux wanted to, he could have just had a fuel embargo?

>>15381488
Yes, but he was using the fleet to fund and smuggle supplies for his military. If he had just cut off supplies then the Earth would have sent a fleet to establish control by force.

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>>15381523

>If he had just cut off supplies then the Earth would have sent a fleet to establish control by force.

At the time that he was planning his sneak attack on Earth, having completed his warmachine, wouldn't any fleet sent by the Federation be destroyed utterly?

With things like the Divinads, Pez-Batara and Gangrijos, their chances repelling the Federation's ships seem very good. Even if they are just a small nation by comparison.

Likewise, wasn't the Federation's warmachine seriously outdated by that point compared to their Jovian counterparts? I remember the original iteration of the Crossbone Vanguard having Mobile Suits that could drastically outperform the Federation's own.

Also, did the Jupiter Energy Fleet put Earth under a fuel Embargo after Crux and Callisto made their aggression known?

>>15381553
Not outdated at that point. They were fielding special forces groups with F-91s and the jamesgun and javelin were relatively new at that point.

Remember, he also sucked up to them on arrival to the earthsphere so he could move in close to earth before attacking.

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>>15381567

>jamesgun and javelin

Were those even wide spread by that point?

I thought the bulk of things would be the Heavyguns and Jegans, both of which I keep hearing are inferior to their Jovian counterparts?

Also, I've heard it said that while the Javelin showed superior performance to Jupiter Empire units, the Jamesgun might have been average against them at best.

>>15379251
>>15379304
Poor Europa. She had a difficult life.

>>15381867

>She had a difficult life.

That's everyone from Jupiter short of Teteith isn't it?

>>15382001
Yeah, but she also found out her siblings also read her mind and used her as a spy.

Not to mention she later felt in love with Tobia and saved his life by throwing him and the Skull Heart out of the explosion at the cost of her own life via being completely vaporized.

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>>15382010

> Not to mention she later felt in love with Tobia

I thought she fell in love with him fairly shortly given her actions when Callisto attacked.


All the same, I see your point.

At least she left a good legacy and was one of the few people to leave a positive impact on Teteith I think.

>>15382132
Yep.

Actually she felt in love in Tobia and it wasn't something short.

She backed off when Teletith pleaded her to not snatch Tobia away from her.

And yeah, considering that Teletith would do everything right in Ghost when compared to her father (aka: ACTUALLY USING THAT SHITLOAD OF CASH FROM CRUX'S FOUNDATION TO DO GOOD THINGS FOR THE JUPITERIANS INSTEAD OF CREATING MORE AND MORE OVERKILL DOOMSDAY DEVICES), then Europa did a good job along with Teletith's biological mother and the Crossbone Vanguard in general.

>>15382188

>considering that Teletith would do everything right in Ghost when compared to her father

Yeah, with her only mistake being that she was duped by Fonse Katagie, though one can hardly blame her for that.

> INSTEAD OF CREATING MORE AND MORE OVERKILL DOOMSDAY DEVICES

Which made no sense in and of itself given that's the very resource wasting that Jovian ideology shuns.

I think it's even pointed out the resources they use for that could also be used building a colony that could supply more food and water.

>>15382271
Crux Dogiate was kinda retarded at this point, though he did have reasons to hate Earth and the Federation.

However what he did thorough the original Crossbone Gundam manga was retarded due to the fact that with what little resources the Jovians could scrounge up, it would actually serve them better than building a shitton of MSs and MAs to turn Earth into a radioactive wasteland (though then strip-mining it would've given them extra resources if they succeeded...which they didn't because Crux's plan was a fail from the start).

The Callisto Twins were no more better than Crux himself. Only crazier.

At this point, the Jupiter Empire Pre-Teletith was akin to Zeon under the Zabis (only crazier and more suicidal considering Crux's mentality, as well pathetic and resource management).

>>15382298

I'm wondering if the Jovians could have got anything of use from Mars or the Asteroid belt resource wise, assuming distance didn't make things prohibitive.

>>15382341
Agreed. Mars was around the corner and it was closer. Why the hell go all the way to Earth if you wanted resources?

Then again, it was Crux's grudge.

>>15382298
>>15382341
I thought it was water, oxygen, greenery, and food that the Jovians lacked and were jealous about. Yes, water could be solved by mining one of the frozen Jovian moons. That was dumb. The other three are more difficult, but not impossible if they invested in more hydroponics and air plants, which are all linked anyway.

Anyway, it's as retarded as the dumbass "we're dying due to radiation but we still haven't shielded or moved our colony" vagans. I mean sure, maybe for the first 25 or even 50 years, moving an entire colony is unfeasible because they can't produce enough energy or whatever. But they spent 150 goddamn years soaking in the radiation. Their civilians wear clothes and live in buildings that look like they're in the 15th century. They found the mother lode of forbidden weapons technology that probably would have included advanced energy systems and shielding tech, but do they apply this to their colony? Nope.

>>15382448
>The other three are more difficult, but not impossible if they invested in more hydroponics and air plants, which are all linked anyway.
And the extra resources from strip-mining would've accelerated that process of normalization.

On the other hand when I remember it correctly, Crux Dogiate wanted to later on rule the colonies when he removed the Federation.

Also blame the writers of AGE for making Vagans this stupid.

Is there actually an organization/faction in the franchise that isn't plagued by stupidity?

>>15382467

>Is there actually an organization/faction in the franchise that isn't plagued by stupidity?

Did Haman Karn's Axis Zeon or Full Frontal's "Sleeves" Zeon do anything stupid? I remember them being surprisingly competent.

>>15382485
In ZZ, some of the Axis/Neo Zeon forces are downright silly. Especially since they were basically like "tutorial" level challenges for Judau to overcome until he gained some actual piloting skill.

In Unicorn episode 1, there was that first Geara Zulu pilot who freaked out when he was surrounded and tried to fight a bunch of ReZELs by himself in some kind of suicidal charge.

>>15382448
>>15382467

I'm wondering if they pulled some of AGE's plot regarding the Vagans from the Jovians colonies.

Both have some outlandish Mobile Suit designs, live in a largely unforgiving environment and are both lead by aged Men who have a grudge with Earth for one reason or another.

>>15382448

>They found the mother lode of forbidden weapons technology that probably would have included advanced energy systems and shielding tech, but do they apply this to their colony?

I think they only applied it as far a reaching Earth and conquering it was concerned.

Also, by the time they reached the point where they acquired the database, hadn't the radiation tainted their genetics to the point nothing would help?

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This thing finally got a name and a backstory: Zakurao, built in the colonies and the shoulders have 3 beam spike emitters.

>>15382947

Is that what Zeon eventually replaced the Zaku with?

>>15382422

Mars also had resources to somehow produce Mobile Suits didn't it?

Mars Zeon somehow built an army and turned Olympus Mons into a Rail Gun there after all.

But then again, they may have just been raiding as I believe they're noted as preying upon the Jupiter Energy Fleet, destroying at least one of their vessels.

>>15382947
The hell is a beam spike? Is that another one of BESPA's zany experimental beam weapons?

>>15383472

Think the AGE-1 Titus shoulders.

So where does /m/ read this series?

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>>15385964
I read it in 3D format back in the late 90s. Gundam X wasn't a thing when the serialization started so the Taiwanese translation simply stylized the title as "Gundam X".

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there wouldn't be much Jovian MS to sell as gunpla if it got animated. Batara, Pez and Quavarze only.

>>15386344
So, the solution is to adapt everything from the original to Dust?

>>15386377
Batara is the base for Pez, Erebado, Diana and Vagon so they can re-use runners but I don't think these would sell well besides Pez. Burns and Umon Custom Bataras, Tobia's Pez as p-bandai.

Zondo Geis could happen if 1/100 grade, same for Abijo. Or Abijo could come with Totuga as a bonus if 1/144

Quavarze has the MP version for a very easy variation reusing runners

Rest are MAs and the obvious Gundams.

>>15386344

Did they use any tanks or aerospace?

>>15385964

I found it on a website called "manga-room" when I was searching for a picture of Zabine.

>>15382467
>Is there actually an organization/faction in the franchise that isn't plagued by stupidity?
Turn A and GX organizations were MOSTLY sane

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>>15378871

He's also the only Gundam pilot I've ever known to scrub toilets and peel potatoes.

>>15386727

>Rest are MAs and the obvious Gundams.

It'd interest me to buy a Divinad, Elefant or an Elocopte.

>>15388766

Weren't they going to do something bone headed like reactivating a system that could destroy all technology in Turn A?

>>15393234
most were actively trying to AVOID that.

There was only ONE person interested in activating it again

>>15393256

Two really, since Merrybell was quite happy to use it as well as Gym. The Moonlight Butterfly isn't just a "press button to destroy everything button" though and while Merrybell tested it by using it across a mountain range Gym used it to make shields, overpower i-fields and fight in general. It can be used destroy all tech and that's why most were afraid of it, but noone in show wanted to use it for that purpose and was trying to activate it on that level out of ignorance.

>>15393287
>>Two really, since Merrybell was quite happy to use it as well as Gym.
She was mostly there for the ride, trusting Gym wouldn't kill the world again

>>15393339

She also showed obvious annoyance at being restricted from fighting by both Gym and Guin, along with appreciation of the Moonlight Butterfly as a weapon. Not total admiration, since she didn't think it deserved it's reputation by th looks of things, but she did like it. She wasn't just using the system because Gym ordered it with no will of her own as you're implying.

>>15393360
more like she was trusting Gym enough to not kill the world- she was fine with fighting

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>>15386344
Diona is cute!
CUTE!

>>15393418

She didn't show any particular trust in him though. Ever. She went along with him, but chafed under his instructions on several occasions. Each time verbalising it to him.

The goal is to turn Gundams into bugs
The goal is also to feature as many lolis as possible, and have their clothes shredded from time to time for no reason.

>>15393432
>The goal is also to feature as many lolis as possible, and have their clothes shredded from time to time for no reason.
That's always been Hasegawa's goal though.

>>15360801
I didn't.
>>15379190
>getting a boner over shitty art
You have to be older than 18 to post here.

>>15393287

>It can be used destroy all tech and that's why most were afraid of it, but noone in show wanted to use it for that purpose and was trying to activate it on that level out of ignorance.

If it did that before, how the F are they finding Mobile Suits and Warships that weren't affected and why is the moon still technologically advanced?

>>15393484
hasegawa stuff on tv, which got banned years ago

>>15393762
In fairness, the one Hasegawa title to get animated was Maps, and that was only on OVAs to start with.

>>15393762


>hasegawa stuff on tv, which got banned years ago

What reason did the network give for banning it?

>>15393751

Every other mobile suit and ship excavated was covered in nano-skin. Nano-skin that kept it completely functional despite thousands of years underground. The only suit not covered in nano-skin was the Turn-A. Which houses nanomachines. Suggesting the nano-skin is functionally identical to the Turn-A's nanomachines and that they're programmed not to cannibalize and eat themselves.

The Moon was okay because it was outside the Earth, and the Earth was as far as the Moonlight Butterfly went (or presumably could go) as far as the anime is concerned.

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It understands newtypes better than most gundams

>>15393826

I've heard it said the Moonlight Butterfly can extend to Jupiter (which I am seriously doubting).

>>15393842

According to the manuals, and apparently the novels it can. The same stuff says that it can't he damaged by physical ammunition though, and Harry caves it the side of the head with a punch from his SUMO in episode 14 or 15 though, so it's best to just assume the TV version is entirely separate from that.

>>15393423

I wonder if Tetenith has one of those.

Did the Jovian forces ever get anything out of having had the time to study Zabine's Gundam after they captured it?

>>15395061
Amakusa

see the chart >>15386344

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Are I-fields normally strong enough to nullify the heat of Lava?

I was surprised to see this thing come out of lava unscathed during that ambush on Io.

>>15393879
The I-field needs to turn on to block anything.

In the same show the Sumo's weaker handheld I-field blocks explosions, missiles, puts the Turn X in stasis (but required multiple sumos to get each direction) and helps contain the MLB nanomachines.

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>>15378871
>>15379251

And kicking women in general.

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>>15395392

The stuff that says the Turn-A is immune to physical ammunition doesn't mention anything about it needing to use an i-field to be that way. Just because you think it's a logical compromise doesn't mean that was the intention. Even in show the Turn-A doesn't use an i-field to soak up dozens of beams from the Turn-X's "bloody siege" attack. Also, the Moonlight Butterfly instantly overpowers 5 SUMO's i-fields when the Turn-X is put in stasis, so no, it can't really contain the Moonlight Butterfly nanomachines. Which, by the way, comes after it tanks a beam shot from Harry's SUMO that again, shows no sign of needing an i-field to do so.

>>15386344

What's the unit with a question mark on it?

>>15397409
original Totuga that was pure artillery

>>15397653

>original Totuga that was pure artillery

That seems kind of odd they'd build an artillery unit when Crux's long term plans would have little need for one.

>>15397954
The Jovians were probably thinking along the same lines which is why you don't see any of deployed in combat.

Assuming Crux had knocked off the Earth Federation as he had planned, would the Sides and other colonies have been able to oppose him successfully?

>>15398113
did you read the manga? the colonies were the only reason the Divinidads were all destroyed, the feds couldn't do it alone

>>15399047

Yes, but would they actually be able to take the fight to Jupiter in the absence of the Federation if they had to or stand up to Jupiter's full might?

>>15399102
probably since they took out the invasion fleet using modern Zakus thru zerg rush

>>15393432

>The goal is to turn Gundams into bugs

Eh?

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Assuming you stripped out the nuclear arsenal, how much weaponry could you likely mount in a Divinad?

>>15401563
10 more old-man brains.

>>15399120

Just wondering.

It seemed like Crux had plans to easily deal with the colonies once he was through with Earth.

>>15402868
the Divinidad nukes?

>>15402886

I thought he was going to subjugate them through force of conquest given his comments and those of that New Type pilot on the Gale team.

>>15360801
Mechatalk

>>15360801
I liked it

>>15401563
Probably add a either a fuckton of missiles, even more powerful mega particle cannons, or an I-Field Generator.

Anyone know how they have the resources to make nukes on Jupiter?

I was surprised to see the Divinads armed with those.

>>15405419
They could've mined asteroids. Anyway the magical nuclear reactor in UC lore uses helium-3 harvested from Jupiter's atmosphere.

It was really fun

>>15405444
the magical nuclear reactor doesn't produce uranium or plutonium material that can be used for conventional atomic bombs, but it itself will explode like a atomic bomb

>>15405557

Is it possible to adapt the reactor technology into a weapon then?

>>15405580
sure

for all we fucking know the nukes are just flying reactors with a fuse mechanism that will breach the reactor

>>15405444

Can those reactors be made to run dirty?

I remember them pointing out that the Divinad's reactors were of the dirty kind, though I'm ignorant of what that implies about it's construction and emissions.

>>15405883
Dunno but I doubt Hasegawa/Tomino thought it out either.

>>15405883
Nope, they are H3 Minovsky reactors, divinidads were purpsofully built with shitty oldtech nuke reactors.

Helium3- Thats a clean burning mobile suit.

>>15406378

>divinidads were purpsofully built with shitty oldtech nuke reactors

Was that simply a cost cutting measure or the Jovians trying to be spiteful?

>>15408408
Definitely spite.

>>15406378

>Helium3

Speaking of that, what happened to Mobile Suit reactors by the time of Victory?

I remember them mentioning in the show that an exploding Mobile Suit reactor is apparently not something they want to cause willy nilly like they have in past conflicts.

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Crossbone is Shit
Ghost is some of the worst Gundam content ever produced

>>15410303
Ghost is hella fine, retard

>>15360801

Is Crossbone commentary on the dangers of Zeon Deikun's ideology?

For all his talk of how Mankind should abandon Earth for the stars, I notice that most of the warped ideology in Gundam tends to originate in the colonies and that a lack of need for Earth can result in some viewing the Earth as little more than expendable.

>>15360801

It's one of the few things not to involve meddling from Bandai isn't it?

>>15413422
Basically, yeah. No one really touches Late UC except for Hasegawa, so odds are the publisher company that hires him uses new Crossbone sequels to pad out their magazine.

>>15413422

Most of the meddling we know of is pretty tame anyway, like pushing for more designs or insisting the lead unit appear in the first episode. Annoying at worst and hardly the stuff that makes or breaks a show.

>>15393839

Wut? That's no departure from the portrayal of newtypes in Zeta or something.

Guys, are there japanese raws of Ghost available somewhere?

>>15415627

Probably in the magazines their published in.

I've heard the raws for those can be found online, but I'm not sure where or if they're even the entirety of them.

>>15415627
just buy the digital version on amazon or whatever

Why is the Crossbone Vanguard's force of Mobile Suits so small?

Shouldn't they have access to hundreds after the Cosmo Babylonia affair?

>>15418023
did you even read the manga?

ANIME WHEN?

>>15360801
I said it and I was right

>>15416640
Okay, it's pretty cheap anyway.

>>15420070
please rip them for us

>>15360886
Pretty much this. Crossbone is a fun ride and not much else. Not as amazing as people say it is, but not even remotely nearly as bad as it's haters claim.

It's biggest flaw is Hasegawa's art style.

>>15420366
>It's biggest flaw is Hasegawa's art style.
What exactly is wrong with it?

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>>15382947

apologies for the small size of the pic

>>15420410
Everybody looks like children, for one. Sometimes, it's downright hard to tell if a character is supposed to be 15 or 35.

In addition, literally NO mobile suit looks good in his artstyle. Katoki already proved that the Crossbone Gundams can look great with the right artist, and I'm among the very few that believes that even the Jupiter suits can look good with the right illustrator.

>>15420581
>Everybody looks like children, for one. Sometimes, it's downright hard to tell if a character is supposed to be 15 or 35.
So just like other Gundam series.

>In addition, literally NO mobile suit looks good in his artstyle. Katoki already proved that the Crossbone Gundams can look great with the right artist
Wow, that sure is some garbage taste.

>I'm among the very few that believes that even the Jupiter suits can look good with the right illustrator.
They already look good though.

>>15420793
>>I'm among the very few that believes that even the Jupiter suits can look good with the right illustrator.
>They already look good though.
Nothing Hasegawa has ever drawn looks good. Even the Crossbones require massive retooling by Katoki's part and later by the RD team to even make remotely acceptable.

>>15420832
Sure, if by "remotely acceptable" you mean "flat and generic samefag trash".

>>15418030

Yes and it didn't answer that question at any point.

>>15420289
Sure. But I won't buy it right away. In a month or two.

>>15420904
it's explained in the manga, Cosmo Babylonia fucking collapses by itself, Cecily and her loyal followers stole the Mother Vanguard and went off the grid with no help but SNRI Gundams and Black Row for supplies

>ADD generation

It's too goofy and light hearted to be canon. Maybe if it was in its own universe, then I wouldn't have a problem with an animated adaption. But desu, I've never read a single good Gundam Manga. They were all shit.

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>>15421107
That's the thing, it clearly feels like Hasegawa wants to write another new mecha manga, but can't because it doesn't pay him enough to keep his home and job nowadays. Dust will be the closest it ever gets to another original Hasegawa story.

>>15421098

Still, it seems like they could have stolen more Mobile Suits than what they did before they sat out.

It also seemed like she could have swayed more followers than what she did as well given the original Crossbone Vanguard was a sizable force if I recall.

>>15421337
they were fighting a fucking hidden war, only the most loyal stayed and many died along the way

nobody knows how CB fell, so you are making assumptions

>>15421337
Stealing mobile suits wasn't the problem, they simply couldn't get new parts for them since they weren't manufactured anymore. They probably had way more, but kept losing them due to lack of parts. Oh, and they may have been sabotaged by Sherindon.

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>>15421352

>Sherindon

Seeing her made me wonder if Berah is the only membe of her family with any real sense.

Also, I wonder if she would have really had Tobia shot if push came to shove.

>>15421933
Cecily was a apathetic doormat for the majority of F91 though. She passively went along with the Vanguard's decisions and had no free will of her own until Seabook knocked some sense into her Vigna Ghina and woke her up.

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>>15422019

> Cecily was a apathetic doormat for the majority of F91 though.

Her face is almost worthy of one of those "Their Optimism is gone" meme posters.

>>15420793
>that sure is some garbage taste

Holy shit, the irony.

ANIME WHEN?

>>15423668

Make an hourglass using black holes, now wait for sand to go from one black hole to the other. 15 eons after that happens you might get an anime. Maybe. Probably not.

>>15423681
it was ranked 2nd in a most wanted manga adaptation poll

it will happen in the next 10 years

>>15423689

Ahahahahaha, it's cute that you actually believe both that those polls mean anything or that Banrise are going to animate it at any point.

>>15423702
no, it's your opinion that matters

>>15423726

Yea, just like opinion mattered on those polls about which suits to include in Unicorn or Build Fighters. If Banrise won't even stick by them when it becomes too inconvenient or goes against what they want to do there isn't a prayer they're going to pay any attention to one about adaptations, which require a commitment of years between animation and production.

>>15423745
you got baited son

>>15423757

In to what? Mocking his apparent delusion?

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>>15423702
Anon, Twilight Axis is basically prequel to f91. They didn't touch late-UC-stuff for 25 years. So why now? That can't be a coincidence. Crossbone will be animated in 5 years, screen this post. Especially if they'll decide not to remake f91.

>>15423840
You're probably reading too much into this. Twilight Axis takes places shortly after Unicorn, F91 takes place a couple of decades later. Although it would be nice to see more F91 or F90, it's way too optimistic to think this one show will lead to crossbone in x amount of years. If anything this will probably lead to more series closer to Unicorn like Last Sun.

>>15424313
Twilight will lead into Unicorn sequel set in 0100

>>15423840

>Axis

Now where were they even hiding at with Axis destroyed?

>>15423840

It really can be a coincidence. Or more likely, just a side effect of Banrise wanting to tell more Zeon era stories, with the gap they can tell them in closing and necessity dictating they at least try and set up new enemies and go later and later. Neither of which guarantee a Crossbone animation, never mind an F91 remake. Which is just dreaming. They only just made an OVA of one of Gundam's most popular stories in the Origin, and even then it's only covering stuff from flashbacks. And only after it sold really well. And you think they're going to remake a movie with relatively few fans and no recent news splash?

More likely they're just putting in nods to the Buch Concern and/or Cosmo Babylonia as a treat for fans and even in two decades time when they're really running out of Zeon era time and up at UC100 they'll simply animate a new story set in UC110 using new enemies.

Screen your own post if you want. I'm certainly not doing it for your, nor will I even remember this conversation next week, never mind half a decades time. If you do though, look at in 5 years time regardless of the outcome and at least have the dignity to admit you were wrong if it comes up fruitless. As it almost definitely will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtRtaMWoYxM

>>15425047
Season 2 is honestly the weakest, but overall it's pretty damn good. Season 5 is fuckin' dope.

>>15425055
How old is that? I remember that and the other fan made OP for Hathaway's Flash from like 5 years ago.

>>15423840

Would Twilight Axis really be considered late UC?

>>15424937

I'm surprised Zeon doesn't continue past the late UC era.

>>15360801
Who said it was good?

>>15429283
let the thread die retard

What about Crossbone gundam dust? how does it goes, is it even canon?

>>15429575

I think it chronicles the steady decline of the Federation and the colonies.

I'm wondering if it intersects with Gaia Gear myself or if they're a few decades apart from one another.

>>15429575
>>15430340

> Dust

Well, I've heard this said on the subject.

> Set in a brand-new era of UC 168, the first Gundam production to attempt to depict anything post-Victory in a very long time. The Federation's impotence during the Zanscare conflict sparked a mass secession of the Space Colonies from the now near-powerless Federation, and the Earth Sphere has fallen into utter chaos as warlords fight each other for supremacy over the now independent colonies.

>>15429575
Font is working with the new Titans to revive the Federation, wtf

>>15430350

So a guy born on Side 3 is trying to revive a Federation organization?

Also, maybe he intends to make a Titans that wasn't as destructive and self serving as the previous one was.

Either way, I hope he isn't behind the "man hunting" forces mentioned in Gaia Gear.

>>15430365
these new Titans are full blown criminals, Ash became depressed when he found this out

they are even using children in cyber newtype experiments

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>>15430369

>these new Titans are full blown criminals

Are they really the only people the Federation can get to make a decent fighting force that is well staffed and competent?

Is the Federation that desperate?


> they are even using children in cyber newtype experiments

Like the original Titans did with Four Murasame and Rosamia Badam?

Or younger than them (I think both of them were below the age of 18 if I recall)?

And for the people and factions making them, are Cyber New Types ever expected to actually survive a conflict? They all seem like they're a bad set of goods prone to be a problem in the future at some point

>>15430807
Did any side material ever explain if both of them were volunteer soldiers or just kids they grabbed off the street?

>>15430350
Okay, this is just getting silly now.

>>15430807
>And for the people and factions making them, are Cyber New Types ever expected to actually survive a conflict?

FF was, and he actually survives, if you count being left a husk living.

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>>15430369

>Ash

Now which one are they in this image?

>>15430345
So yeah, we full-on Warring States/Sengoku Era now.

>>15430818
I believe there is a novel that focuses on Four.

>>15430918

That Mobile Armor above him looks like something the Dark Army from G-Gundam would use.

Also, what happened to Font anyway?

>>15393489
lol fag.

>>15430918
So custom Hambrabi's ridden by Gun-Ez's?

And how the hell did they even get Hambrabi's?

>>15431021

>And how the hell did they even get Hambrabi's?

If they're a new form of the Titans, they probably have access to the schematics for all of the original machines used by the Titans.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of the Titan warmachines were built at Side 3, apparently by Zeonic or some other arms manufacturer that was subsumed by Anaheim at the end of the One Year Conflict.

Font is from Side 3 so.

>>15431037

Anaheim built very little of the Titans suits. They were mostly manufactured by Earth Federation research labs in places like Luna II, Titans ones or later in the show by Scirocco. Anaheim did eventually supply them with Marasais when the Titans pressured them, but Anaheim were mostly responsible for the AEUG's suits.

>>15431049

Maybe they pulled the information from the wreck of A Baoa Qu then.

>>15431049

>Anaheim built very little of the Titans suits.

Then were they just really fond of the Zeon aesthetic or something?

All of the Titans flagships units use it, except for the Psycho Gundam and that's practically a Zeong with a different aesthetic from what I understand.

>>15432528
Those are secretly refurbished Zeonic suits.
Hi-Zack is no Zaku , boy *wink*

>>15432560
No, they're newly manufactured machines. MS models with certain variant codes like the RGM-79R or RGM-86R were refurbished.

>>15431049
Don't forget, the latest lore says Anaheim developed the Hizack.

>>15430918
So what the fuck is Font doing with these twats? Did he finally lose it, or does he actually have a good reason for this?

Or was that just not revealed yet?

>>15432595
there's a twist for sure, manga is just starting

>>15432595
fuck if I know, it's in japanese

>>15432528
The Hi-Zack and Marasai are AE made suits and they're the backbone of the army, at least until the chimeric Barzam comes out.

As far Augusta Labs. There's a guy later in Zeta from Augusta, but apparently he's originally from the Flanagan institution, so the implication is that the Federation just took the researchers from Flanagan and put them to work on NT research.

And of course Scirocco is a Jovian, and Axis, a Zeon base, was used as a rest point for the Jupiter energy fleet, so it makes sense that Jovians picked up MS tech from Zeon rather than the EFSF.

Basically everything leads back to Zeon which is why so many Titans MS look that way.

IIRC nowadays some info books claim some late model GMs like the GM Sniper II were actually monoeyed mobile suits. So Sunrise or whoever is trying to make the transition smoother.

>>15429575
No manga is canon.

>>15432629
If the suits didn't have monoeyes on them, you wouldn't say they were Zeonic in origin. It's just an aesthetic. I mean, they could have just built a Zeon-style MS and slapped Feddy style armor on it. The Galbaldy Beta shows that it's possible. The Nemo goes one step further and opts for a completely inspired GM look despite the Zeon parts underneath.

Then there are machines like the Asshimar and Byarlant, it's very difficult to call them Zeonic if you just stick another head on it like the Anksha and Byarlant Customs do.

>>15432673

>I mean, they could have just built a Zeon-style MS and slapped Feddy style armor on it.

Isn't that all the Psycho Gundam is?

>>15432595

Maybe he got Neo-Roanoked?

>>15432695
Nah, not really. If you look at the body proportions and certain details, it's almost like they just scaled up the RX-78. Especially parts like the ankles, legs, and waist design. There are very similar lines and contours here and there. Flip between these two pictures back and forth and you'll get what I mean.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/msgundam/rx-78-2.jpg
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/z/mrx-009.jpg

However, the Psyco Gundam Mark II has wire-guided flying arms as well as a detachable head cockpit. These features are a dead ringer for the Zeong, which very few other mobile suits have.

>>15432634
Good, because spoils above are silly as hell.

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>>15432712

I thought it was said that the original Psycho Gundam's internal systems and the finger mounted beam cannons were similar to the Zeong?

>>15432629

>And of course Scirocco is a Jovian, and Axis, a Zeon base, was used as a rest point for the Jupiter energy fleet, so it makes sense that Jovians picked up MS tech from Zeon rather than the EFSF.

Is that why a lot of the Jovian Mobile Suits in Crossbone Vanguard have the mono-eye feature?

>>15433577
I dunno about the internal systems being similar, but yeah, they both have finger beams.

>>15433886
None of the Jovian MS from Crossbone are directly related to Scirocco's designs. They're some 30 years apart.

>>15433975

I thought the Jovians would be building on what they got from Zeon?

So what does Seabook pilot in Ghost? And further more what the hell happened to his kids?

>>15434884
All I know is that his kids joined the League Militaire.

>>15434886
God damn he just can't a break can he.

>>15433886
>Is that why a lot of the Jovian Mobile Suits in Crossbone Vanguard have the mono-eye feature?
It would make a lot of sense

>>15434886

How big is the League Militaire anyway?

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>>15434814
Maybe. A lot of their tech is home grown rather unique, it's hard to call them offshoots of any specific kind of Zeon technology. The Batara does have a monoeye under the goggle piece, though.

>>15434899
In Victory it's tiny. Basically a few ships IIRC

>>15434884
he pilots the X-0 and easily defeats a Zanscare prototype MS then goes back to donating his bread to war victims along Cecily

I wonder which faction in UC is the most craziest when cause it seem like Late Uc is just straight up Insane.

>>15434901

What about the Batara Pez?

>>15434970
Probably also has a monoeye under there, given that they're supposed to be a variant of the Batara.

>>15434923

It's only going to get crazier from there I think.

>>15435019
Cause of ghost or because of bizarre and messed up late UC seems to get?

>>15435044

Both.

Or especially the latter.

I think things get flat out strange beyond description by the time the UC era ends if Turn A is to be believed.

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>>15435044
>>15435091
Furthermore, there is a huge time gap between Victory and G-Saviour alone, so the crazy will ramp up soon.

>>15435228

>so the crazy will ramp up soon.

I'm almost afraid to see what occurs between Victory and G-Saviour and what is to follow.

>>15435233
Well, there's Crossbone Dust, which looks particularly stupid.