Any reason why they didn't send this prototype to Amuro?

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Seems to be even more advanced than the GP-01 and GP-03.

>>15355559
Because Thunderbolt isn't the same canon as UC and also this is after the OYW where Amuro has been locked up.

>>15355559
>>15355563
>>15355566

BUT MUH ANIMATIOOOOOOOON ALL CANOOOON

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Why call it a G-Head instead of a Gundam, its already a RX-79.

>>15355559
Since this is after the OYW I assume Amuro is under house arrest.
That question is really only applicable to the first part of thunderbolt when Amuro was active with the White Base.

>>15355820
Even then, the federation never loved Amuro. He had to get his magnetic paint job out of his own pocket. He was just a great big target that managed to get all the hate from the space kingdom.

>>15355559
>implying the shapeshfting white devil wasn't far superior

>>15355559
People have been asking this since the Alex was invented.
Which is made worse since the Pale Rider exists and was given to a random game-only Newtype loli.
This is just another hyper-advanced MS for the pile of "stuff Amuro probably could have one-shotted Char with but didn't get."

Though, considering how ugly it is, it's better that it's relegated to bitch-tier and given to Io because Io's a cunt like everybody else in Thunderbolt.

Thunderbolt isn't canon

>>15355841
Pale rider was in the testing phase still, and was beyond top secret,

>>15355559
Because it's a specialized prototype designed for use in extreme conditions being given to a decorated veteran known for surviving a front with extreme conditions.

>>15355905
>was in the testing phase still, and was beyond top secret,
Nearly every Gundam technically is! To the point that we can only question why the Federation bothers to call the perfectly-functioning high-powered MS Gundam-types they build prototypes at all, since they're not so much "concept cars" as "one-use (because we never really see them after their first use in a campaign) anti-MS/Zeon nukes" for all we've seen them used for!

Do Char and Amuro even exist in this timeline? We see the Psycommu Zaku being used because the Zeong was still being worked on so that means that Char would be going out in a Gelgoog but we don't even get the vaguest of hints of his or Amuro's presence throughout the whole story.

Other side stories have always had some sort of reference but I don't even recall the Gundam being called a White Devil here.

>>15355921
Can you use any more exclamation points?

>>15355921
The original Gundam resulted in the GMs, you can assume there were other prototypes competing for the Federation budget and were too expensive or stuff.

>>15355924
Most we see is a Red Zaku in the Manga during the opening shit, not in the sector but kinda like the intro thing 0079 did. I don't know if it was in the Anime I haven't watched it just read the manga. (still need to catch up now that I think about it)

Beyond that I don't know.

>>15355559

This is a privately funded Gundam. More, by the time of Zeta, Amuro is arguably fighting against an arm of the Federation.

Technically, the Gundam MKII is more advanced than the Atlas Gundam. The Zeta is worlds more advanced, because of the Biosensor. (By the end of Zeta, it's become increasingly clear that Newtypes are the future of warfare.)

Remember that Amuro's on house arrest at this point. The absolute last thing he wants to do is to go back to war - He only gets back in the swing of things during Zeta.

>>15355571
kek I like how everything in the JewTube comments were triggered by saying this wasn't canon

>>15355924

Yes, they exist. The Zeongs you see are Unit 2 and Unit 3 (in the manga). Also, the child pilots are sent out in the hopes of finding another Amuro Ray.

You have to understand that the OYW was a massive conflict. A Bao Qu is the largest engagement in human history. (Larger, in fact, than any engagement we've ever fought in the real world.)

There were literally dozens of Gundams, prototypes and Mobile Armors deployed in the fighting. This was the end of the war, there was no tomorrow, and everyone was acting like it. Stuff like the MS Igloo Big Rang, Jonny Ridden, and whatever sidestories that have been written can all co-exist alongside the clash between Char and Amuro.

It's just so fucking massive. Remember that Char and Amuro are important figures, but it's unlikely that your average pilot has ever met them. In the postwar era? Forget about it.

>>15355841
Didn't they even say that the Alex was on the way to Amuro, but they didnt get to ship it out before the events of War in the Pocket, and then the war ended.

>>15355998
Mobile armors are a continuation of the Mk2 technological advances, so those in particular shouldn't be present in the OYW, maybe as a very basic add on ir failed prototypes, but nothing actually functional in battle.

>>15355571
It's official. It belongs to a different continuity but it's still officially recognized by Sunrise. It's not some retarded fancanon manga anymore.

>>15356019
It's implied IIRC. Chris mentions how sensitive the controls are and they say it's for some newtype or something along the lines. The mecha profiles outside of the show confirmed it was Amuro.

This is UC-AU and not cannon but since "real" gundam fans go through withdrawal if they can't some content that deals with the OYW again with another super secret R-78(XXX) prototype every other year.

>>15355559

It was privately funded by the Fleming Corporation after the OYW was over

>>15356105

>Fancanon

Can you really call it that when the author basically had no restraints from Sunrise and could do whatever he wanted and is basically an Alternate-UC?

>>15356129

Don't forget "Strange Exotic" GM/Zaku variants

>>15355885
>Thunderbolt isn't canon

Thunderbolt is canon.

>>15355559
Amuro was too busy sitting around jacking off in his opulent mansion.

>>15355841
>the Pale Rider exists and was given to a random game-only
The only reason that the Pale was constructed was because Graves, main antagonist, pulled strings to construct it. Plus Graves was waging a secret war against all Anti-Revil feddie higher ups.

>>15355559
Amuro is a meme.

>>15355559
Atlas is 6 months after the war ends. Amuro was under house arrest.

>>15356133
>>15355559
Possibly the Vist foundation may have a hand as well, at least financially.

>>15356257
The pet creation of Tubular Vist, Cardeas' lesser known beach bum brother.

>>15356163
That doesn't give it the ability to be more advanced than the ALEX and G04/G05 series.

>>15355934
I mean, I could use three of them in a post? Because there's two in that one.

>>15355885
I thought the Japanese weren't really that big into canon.

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info from the latest manga chapter:
-Kaufman's Mad Angler arrived at the Dolos submarine base
-Claudia is going to be interrogated but receives a newtype message while going deeper in the base
-Acguys going back to the Zock.
-Billy believes in Raven Fu fucking with Daryl's mind as the only explanation for the kiss.
-Kaufman summons Sebastian to the bridge and asks if wants to change his path now that he knows a true newtype exists, i.e. if he will join the monk faction
-Daryl visits Carla and she now remembers the Thunderbolt Sector battle. He vows to defend her

Basically something big is finally going to happen. I think Kauffman will finally show his true colors to everyone and depart with Daryl and Carla so Raven Fu can complete the Psycho Zaku. Claudia will probably be used to extract some info from the commander and/or assist the escape via NT magic. I don't think Daryl's group will join the monks for now

>still arguing about muh canon
holy fuck guys I thought this whole idea would be easier to comprehend for english speaking people

you know how there's like different comics or animations or movies of the same series that aren't necessarily in one continuity or connected to one another? But they are still officially recognized, published, and have merchandise? Super heroes? Transformers?

>>15356397
Because it fucks over established canon and technical limitations of the era it's set in.

>>15356148

Thunderbolt is as canon as Unicorn.

By which I mean it isn't canon at all.

>>15355559
It's almost as if shoehorning so much content in and around the OYW added inconsistencies.

>>15356586
You don't say!

>>15356459
Now this shitposting

>>15356327

Apparently they're not, if they cared about canon it wouldn't have gotten the greenlight to be animated. I'm not even sure why there's a debate about it.

>>15355566
The main issue is that they gave total freedom to the manga artist, but now are trying to say that the anime is official continuity with all the backstory stuff they're adding about Thunderbolt's custom models for the anime (like in the site and stuff, not the show).

>>15356031

What? There are tons of mobile armors in the OYW. Are you thinking of movable frame? lol

>>15356397
>>15356439
>You do realise that each work is basically it's own canon?
>B-but that fucks over established canon!

Come on man.

>>15356614
There is no official continuity you retard. There's only official status, which means Sunrise is like "Yeah we think that's cool."

MSG TV and movies have a different time line for the White Base's trek across the Earth but they're both official. Zeta TV vs ANT both official even though ZZ can only occur with Zeta TV's ending and CCA references the events of ZZ and Unicorn directly spins off of CCA.

The point is even in one "Era" there are multiple continuities that are chalked up to differences in historical record, as if Gundam shows are actually retellings of historical records rather than a live viewing of events.

Amuro was a buzzsaw in the RX-78 and the most sacred law of engineering is "If it ain't broke don't fix it".

>>15356893
>There is no official continuity you retard. There's only official status, which means Sunrise is like "Yeah we think that's cool."
They aren't just "Yeah we think that's cool", they're also adding all this stuff about how the Thunderbolt redesigns are actually custom models created due to lore reasons they're making up in official publications.

They could just have gone with the manga's take, and ignored the continuity issues since it wasn't made to be tied by it in the first place, but for whatever reason they aren't doing that and are trying to explain away everything.

>>15356906
>They aren't just "Yeah we think that's cool", they're also adding all this stuff about how the Thunderbolt redesigns are actually custom models created due to lore reasons they're making up in official publications.

They always were custom models partially funded by the Moore Brotherhood and Io's dad. Hell, the entire FAG was basically a private commission.

Because this is the inherent problem with prequel stuff, creators cant help but put the coolest, most advanced things in a prequel even if it begs the question "wait, where did all the advanced shit go in the original work?"

Say what you want about Star Wars doing that, but at least the OT tech was actually more advanced than the prequel tech, it just wasn't nearly as shiny.

Why not have Thunderbolt take place way later than the OYW? Set it a few years after Unicorn where the few surviving Sleeves go rogue despite Mineva's plea to stand down or whatever.

>>15355559
>>15355563
It just looks more advanced because its joints are reverse engineered from Zeon aquatic mobile suits

Atlas is also very finicky and requires a lot of downtime and maintenance after battles

>>15357103
But look at AoZ MSs, they "look" way more technical for prototype test beds of Gryps Era suits.

>>15355559
There is a Canon

OYW ->0080->0083-0087-0088-0093-0096-F91-Victory
Thunderbolt is its own continuity outside of the main canon were they can do their own thing.

>>15357103
If we're going to talk different background settings, I'd rather they'd gone with ZZ. At least that would have opened the door to much more interesting designs and an underused setting; it wouldn't even have had to be AEUG vs Zeon, it could have been aces from the Glemy and Haman faction battling it out and you'd still have had a similar story.

>>15356105
Official!=canon

>>15355998
>it's unlikely that your average pilot has ever met them. In the postwar era? Forget about it.
Pretty sure someone in Zeta or ZZ had a flashback about randomly meeting him.

>>15355559
Just Luke there are Countless Zeke aces, there are countless gundam made around the OYW to milk the setting till the end of time.

>>15355559
It's after the OYW, at that point Amuro was "relaxing" at his house.
In any case, he wouldn't need it, the RX-78 was more than enough for him.

>>15355563
It really doesn't, though. It's just using unconventional technology. Call me when it can launch a nuke, use Psycommu, or strap itself to a whole arsenal.

>>15356979
They weren't exactly, especially not the zeon stuff. There's a page showing the thunderbolt Zaku II (Including a Char red one) taking part in operation british with no vanilla zaku around. You never see any side using any of the original designs as they don't exist in Thunderbolt.

>>15355559
The Apsalus II was around that period and it punched a whole through a mountain. I fucking buy some silly air skis and a railgun.

>>15355563
So far it's done nothing the original Gundam hasn't already done...

It just looks funky. People are forgetting that the Gundam, jumped so high that Garma thought it could straight up fly because it achieved flight altitude instantly. Hell, the RX-78-2 could probably have just jumped straight up to the Komusai instead of guzzling gas.

And railguns are a weapon that GMs from MSV equipped.

So far the only suspect thing is the long beam saber but even the RX-78-2 had funky melee weapons like the beam javelin

>>15358047
The long beam saber is reminiscent to the Physalis' Beam Saber, which could be adjusted for potency.

>>15358047
manga beam saber is like 70~80 meters in length UNDERWATER

>>15355559
They gave the coolest one to Amuro

>>15355559
doesnt this show make it look like zeon was not defeated in the one year war
then that makes 0083 all fucked up??? what the hell is going on
also a fucking dolos underwater??? what the fuck
I loved the manga and the show up until the final battle of the one year war and then everything literally went full retard with monks taking over half of earth???

>>15355559
>all this arguing about continuity over a 20-minute toy commercial made in '79

"Gundam was a mistake." - Yoshiyuki Tomino

>>15356439
Thunderbolt is canon to Thunderbolt it doesn't fuck up continuity because it exists as a self-contained thing it's as canon to 79-Zeta-ZZ as Wing or 00

You're all pretending, right?
Nobody could really be this dense.

>>15357397
the tech tho

>Sunrise finishes Thunderbolt
>Over the next decade they reboot UC, Thunderbolt's timeline is to 0079 what SW Canon is to SW Legends

How would you guys feel about this?

>>15355559
>Typical Japanese military tradition.
>They allow the new pilot the new craft, expecting the more experienced on to excel without the assistance of the cutting edge technology.

>>15355559
>best pilot

He's still a kid. No way feddies would want to put all their eggs in one basket. White base was a decoy. They're gonna save their other experimental suits for actual federation pilots.

>>15355921
They are prototypes because after testing they are usually used to make cheaper massed produced versions. The better performing versions are necessary so that better data could be collected.

>>15356638
He's probably getting actual mobile armors (which existed before Zeta, like the Big Zam or Neue Ziel) with the 'mobile armor' modes of Gryps-era tech.

Or he's just retarded, either/or.

>>15358722
*confused with

>>15355559
This is the alternate UC Universe.

Amuro died in Battle of A Baoa Qu along with Char.

>>15358851
so what happens during the events of Zeta and ZZ in the Thunderbolt timeline?

>>15359041

...We don't know, because right now the setting is in the middle of 0080.

>>15359041
Given the progress of Thunderbolt's timeline so far...

The same exact bloody thing?

Thunderbolt is just to the OYW what Endless Waltz was to Gundam Wing; changing up designs to sell toys. They've given no indications that anything is different aside from a few model numbers and a subplot about radical Buddhists (which I still can't say with a straight face) seceding from the Federation. The most dynamic thing I can say about the differences between Thunderbolt's timeline and the original is that the Zeon Remnants in the ocean are using a Dolos as a seabase, which given proper UC's propensity for adding inane bullshit that shouldn't be possible given pre-established lore, i wouldn't really put it past them either.

>>15355841
>random game-only N
Then it's irrelevant? Duh? In what anime franchise are spin off games ever Canon? Fuck the Lain PSX game was supposed to be of equal importance as the anime like a sortve multimedia project and people have forgotten it completely

>>15355924
Are you so blind that you didn't see the big UNIT 2 on that Zeongs shoulder? Did you watch it Raw?

>>15359065
>and a subplot about radical Buddhists
If you meet the Buddha in a Mobile Suit, kill him.

>>15356019
>>15356111
They literally say in 0080 that they're planning on sending it "to that kid on the White Base"

>still no paranormal version of OYW
Dammit where's Ghiren dabbing in the occult and having the spear of longinus?

>UC-AU

Gundam has officially run out of ideas. Why can't this franchise just die already?

>>15360670
/thread

also its an AU

>>15359623
Kai?

>>15355559
Hate to break it to you man, but thunderbolt is UC-AU. No Amuro, no Char.

>>15358065
yeh, but the manga underwater battle proves what a PoS Atlas actually is, too.

>>15355559
They hate Tem.

>>15356327
Where does this meme come from?

>>15355957
With all the money the Federation spent on R&D for all those gimmicky prototypes, they could have just mass-produced the project V suits.

>>15364364
this, they are salty

>>15355559
The reason is simple dumbass. Thunderbolt wasn't even on the papers when they made the 0079 Gundam.

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>>15363173
There's definitely still an Amuro and Char. The Gundam wouldn't have the reputation it did in the OVA when the Living Dead Division saw it for the first time if it weren't for Amuro's feats (remember, the other Gundams in the OYW are barely even acknowledged in-universe by anyone else in UC outside of their respective ongoing stories assuming they go beyond the OYW. Amuro's RX-78-2/02 is the only one that matters to the people of UC) and the Zeongs seen in Thunderbolt exclude unit 001, which is Char's unit that saw combat at A Baoa Qu.

We have every reason to assume still an Amuro and Char in Thunderbolt's setting, considering just about everything else in the OYW parts of the story line up rather nicely whether or not it's considered an Alt-UC. The artist did make an effort to avoid anything conflicting with their existence within the framework of the OYW's most well-known story.

As for why Amuro never got the FA-78 or RX-78AL, the reasoning is simple; the former was acquired by the Moore Brotherhood due to their financial contributions to the war effort (basically, they bought the bloody thing) the Thunderbolt sector's route to A Baoa Qu is strategically important enough to justify a Gundam's presence there, and there's no reason to assume Amuro would even need it, since the RX-78-2 needed a upgrade to the joints at that point, not armor. The latter didn't exist until after the war, when Amuro was no longer serving in combat.

>>15367568
Or bad writing

>>15368295
That would be good writing, actually. For someone that specifically requested he be given free reign to craft his own original version of the OYW, Yasuo Ohtagaki did his homework. The FA-78 might be the first Gundam where I haven't asked "Why didn't Amuro get this thing?" the answer being "The Moore Brotherhood basically bribed a Feddie official into giving it to them."

>>15359065
>radical Buddhists (which I still can't say with a straight face)

You say that like they aren't a thing in the real world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence#Regional_examples

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>>15367568
The real in-universe reason that Amuro never got half the Gundams produced from the RX-78 family is either because A. He was doing just fine in the RX-78-2 and didn't need another, and the other RX-78s would be put to better use elsewhere, mostly in the other Autonomous Corps, and B. the ones he WAS supposed to get never left the place they were stored or got destroyed before he had a chance to even see the pilot's manual, or even the report saying he was meant to get it.

Also don't forget; Amuro's just ONE pilot, and he doesn't even have the highest kill count in the OYW or even the Federation, even though compared to Tenneth Jung, technically he has a higher number of destroyed warships. What made him special was that he was a kid with zero training that was styling on Zeon's top aces in their token propaganda mobile suit. That doesn't mean other pilots weren't skilled as well.

>>15357547
are you thinking of beltorchika? they were saying something like
>Amuro seemed like a snobby rich kid.
>Car broke down.

pretty sure it was beltorchika in Zeta. I may be wrong, and she wasn't a pilot in the oyw.

>>15367568
>>15368515
Even then the FA-78 was designed for combat in extreme conditions and shoal zones like the Thunderbolt sector, giving it to Amuro to test out wouldn't really make sense. Also wasn't there something about it being used as a propaganda piece to break Zeon's stranglehold on the zone?

Because the RX-78-2 with the learning computer is the best MS of the OYW and contained so much of Amuro's data that Jupiter was able to make a copy of his brain with it.

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>>15368680
Emma Sheen, a.k.a. best girl

>>15368610
A isn't true, is it? They had to apply the magnetic coating so Amuro would stop burning out the joints. B is true, going by the implied dialogue in 0080 and I think part of the backstory for the MSV Full Armor and Heavy Gundams were that they were being developed as possible upgrades for Amuro's RX-78-2. Amuro's Gundam was never upgraded or replaced that way, but the Origin does end up giving Amuro's RX-78-02 an optional shoulder cannon which may or may not be influenced by the MSV ideas.

>Also don't forget; Amuro's just ONE pilot, and he doesn't even have the highest kill count in the OYW or even the Federation
He's still second place. You act like it doesn't count for anything. The Feds built up Amuro as a war hero and the White Base was nicknamed the "newtype corps", based largely on their success and how recognizable the Gundam was.

>>15368680
No, it was Emma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vHZsUodAdw

>>15368610
Wasn't the White Base used as a giant decoy to wave at Zeon while the Fed fleet got their GMs into space? They barely got resupplies, never mind new MS. The only reason they survived is because Amuro shredded everything that took the bait.

>>15369121
Another MS that isn't the Alex wouldn't have really fixed the issue. Beyond that, the RX-78-2 was sufficient for his needs. Amuro would have had the same problem with G05 or Mudrock.

>>15369137
>wouldn't have really fixed the issue
What issue are we talking about here? It was never that the Gundam wasn't good enough for Amuro, but that they could have given him more based on their status and mission. Revil and Matilda were happy to give the White Base as much support as they could without showing favoritism. It could be said that the existance of the Alex is an argument in favor of them wanting to give something better to Amuro but didn't make it in time.

Hell, in the novels Revil has the entire ship and all of their equipment replaced with upgrades and reassigned to the same crew after they lost the Gundam and White Base at Texas. That's very clearly preferential treatment.

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>>15369121
>maybe you'll find char on this ship

>>15369134
White Base was used as a decoy during Operation Odessa. Later on they weren't explicitly used as decoys but Zeon kept throwing stuff at them and failing to take them out.

>They barely got resupplies, never mind new MS.
They got resupplied enough for a small unit that was in enemy territory, considering that they had to send vulnerable cargo transports behind enemy lines. They're given a bunch of new equipment like the G-whatevers (or the Core Booster going by the movies), but they don't get properly resupplied until they reach Jaburo, the heart of friendly territory. In Origin and the novels they get GMs on board the ship for when they return to space, while in the movie trilogy the Guntank is replaced by another Guncannon.

>>15369134
Matilda's entire division was dedicated to them as soon as they got in range. White Base landed on Earth and literally cut across Zeekland

speaking of alternate UC

I want a Neo Zeon of Casval anime

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>>15369151
The issue of the Gundam not being able to keep up with Amuro's abilities.

The point is, Amuro was performing rather splendidly in the RX-78-2 as is, and the Federation has no reason to put all their eggs in one basket. They have other talented pilots that can put the RX-78-3/4/5/6/FA-78-2 to use. The only Gundams that were implied to have been meant to go to Amuro was the Gundam Pixie Unit 2 and the Alex (and the former was only said to be going to White Base. It was never specified that Amuro was the intended pilot.)

Same applies to Thunderbolt.

>>15355559
Because it's not canon.

>>15369227
>The point is, Amuro was performing rather splendidly in the RX-78-2 as is
After the application of the magnetic coating, yes.

>and the Federation has no reason to put all their eggs in one basket.
Two Gundams on one ship is hardly a problem. If Char didn't attack Side 7, there would have been three RX-78-2 units on the White Base. How many other ships have carried at least one high end machine or prototype?

>and the former was only said to be going to White Base. It was never specified that Amuro was the intended pilot.
Really? You don't have to be that vague, it's implied to be going to Amuro, given that he was the one standout pilot who could have handled the high sensitivity controls. Even if you didn't consider that, going by closest role and best approximation, Amuro was going to assigned to it anyway. Amuro has the most experience with the "close combat" types. Kai and Hayato are experienced with the support fire type suits which means they're using Guncannon-type machines. Sleggar and Sayla were the designated fighter/support craft pilots.

It's not like they can't switch it up, but why in the hell would Bright ever not assign the Gundam to Amuro at that point in the war? Once the suit is delivered to the ship, it's up to the commanding officer how it should be deployed. E.g., Lt. Burning was assigned command of the MS pilots and had authority to plan and outfit the Albion as he saw fit, which included assigning Kou to a GM Custom when the Albion first went into space (an order that Kou disobeyed) and then later reassigning him to the GP01Fb once it was ready.

>>15355924

Pretty sure they were just sending out every usable unit during that time. I remember one scene in Seed's last episodes where there was a prototype GuAIZ with the Freedom's railguns and a Justice backpack on it, it was the tesst suit for the sister units' weapons.

Also the Zeongs in the hangar were labeled unit 02 and 03. It's already an obvious implication that Char was in Unit 01.

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>>15369276
>After the application of the magnetic coating, yes.
Are you trying to imply that before that he was performing inadequately? Because he was wrecking Zeeks left and long before that. In fact, him pushing the Gundam to it's mechanical limits didn't become a problem till he was already in space.

In the novels, he gets the G3 Gundam, but in the mainstream continuity, it was aboard the Blanc Rival at that time, and before he reached Jaburo, the damaged RX-78-2 that would become RX-78-3 was at Augusta alongside G04 and G05, all of which would undergo tests in Earth's gravity before heading to Jaburo, if the Master Archive is to be believed (G04 and G05 weren't dedicated space units at that point yet, and were simply dedicated to improved performance and the newer weapon loadout.)

The whole point of the magnetic coating was to upgrade the response time of the suit, improving AMBAC capability, which brings me back to my previous point; assigning him another Gundam that isn't G3 or Alex would have fixed nothing; at best, they might have a cooler gun or two he would have little use for, since he was at his best with the standard beam rifle.

>How many other ships have carried at least one high end machine or prototype?
Blanc Rival carried two; RX-78-3 and RX-78-6, but RX-78-6 was left behind on Earth, so it never left Jaburo with both Gundams in tow, and we all know about the Thoroughbred.

>>15355563
Not Canon

>>15355559
Does Amuro even exist in the Thunderbolt continuity? I was legitimately under the impression he didn't

>>15355559
Atlas is a postwar design, bruh

>>15369298
>at best, they might have a cooler gun or two he would have little use for, since he was at his best with the standard beam rifle
This, really. Amuro was a crack shot and an excellent pilot by the time the war migrated back into space; giving him bigger guns or strapping shields to every open space wouldn't have accomplished anything beyond what he could already do. Remember, he was murdering the first newtype weapons with the equivalent of an up-armored GM. A beam rifle is instant death to what it hits.

>>15371066
A better question would be why would you assume that? Everything else is pretty much just "the OYW, but everything has a crazy backpack now." There is literally no reason to assume Amuro was omitted, especially considering the Gundam has the same reputation in Thunderbolt's OYW.

>>15356346
>that pic
>where the spacenoid women at?

>>15356346
What was with nerdy hanger dude kissing Bianca?

Is he cucking Io? Or is he that pathetic nerd who's going to think he's about to get some puss only to discover that moment meant nothing to her and finally begin to doubt his loyalties to Io? I'm, kind of hoping for the latter, I enjoy that flavor of suffering.

>>15355559
Other's have addressed the Atlas, but it's still fucking dumb how Amuro didn't get the full armor. I don't care of fleming was a son of a moore brotherhood member, why wouldn't they give this insane gundam to Amuro . Hell the federation was also building the alex for Amuro specifically because he was a killing machine. But nope, let's give it to this dope who loses to a zaku.

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>>15371544
Because he was already insane in his already insane Gundam, and you don't allocate all your war resources to one guy that JUST MIGHT slip up and get himself killed at some point.

This isn't fucking rocket science. It is PERFECTLY reasonable to assume that the Federation saw that maybe Amuro, whil hyper competent, wasn't the end-all-be-all to the war effort and realized they had other pilots that could make good use of their fancy money-pits ALMOST as well in other various frontlines.

>>15371567
That, and FA-78 didn't really play to Amuro's strengths.

They should already remake the 0079 Gundam and retcon the shit out of it and give already the Alex MKII Strike to Amuro.

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>>15371809
And also give Char the complete MSN-02 Zeong

>>15371544

Use your fucking head. The Full Armor was specifically designed for use in the Thunderbolt Sector only, with all the debris and other hazards.

It would be impractical for Amuro to use something that over-the-top during their adventures in the OYW. At least the Alex looked like it was still practical for Amuro if he ever did end up getting it.

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>>15371938
What about the other Full Armor types?

>>15371544
Because the Feddies don't trust newtypes. They were making the Alex for him, because it was attuned to use a newtype's insane reaction time, meanwhile they already had several Gundam projects for oldtype use. It makes sense, they weren't about to put all their chips on newtypes, since they hadn't yet access to psycommu technology.

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>>15372249
You're looking for some complex answer that isn't there; the Feds didn't want to give him the Heavy Gundam to him, which is the only one of the FA-78 Gundams to actually leave a hanger outside of Thunderbolt, and he didn't need it anyway because said type of MS didn't play to his strengths.

They have other pilots they've selected to use the various other other Gundam types produced during the OYW, and aside from Agar, they all performed exemplary with them (and even then, Agar was a competent pilot; he just had a shitty stroke of luck against serious odds.)

>>15372411
>Because the Feddies don't trust newtypes. They were making the Alex for him, because it was attuned to use a newtype's insane reaction time, meanwhile they already had several Gundam projects for oldtype use. It makes sense

The Alex is arguably the best performing Gundam out of all of the OYW models, barring the incomplete 7th Gundam and maybe the G04 and G05 (both had more firepower but less mobility).

The Federation not developing a lot of newtype MS was mainly because they were far behind Zeon when it came to newtype research, not because they have an anti-newtype agenda. That's like saying the Federation don't like MS because they were slower than Zeon at adopting MS for combat, only developed the GM as a MP suit during the OYW, and didn't experiment with different frame and body styles until later.

The Federation is definitely interested in newtype research after the war and they fund a bunch of machines that aren't all Titans models, as well as creating a couple of newtype labs. Besides, the Federation doesn't fear Amuro until AFTER the war, when he was placed under house arrest because a number of White Base crew had become outspoken and weren't afraid to challenge the Titans. Trying to backdate the postwar Federation's mistrust of Amuro to the OYW doesn't make sense when he was helping them win the war and the Gundam's success was elevated by wartime propaganda.

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>>15372643
>Trying to backdate the postwar Federation's mistrust of Amuro to the OYW doesn't make sense when he was helping them win the war and the Gundam's success was elevated by wartime propaganda.
...I take it your one of those clowns that doesn't consider Unicorn canon?

That said, you are correct in saying that the feds were behind Zeon in terms of researching newtypes in regards to their practicality as human weapons.

In addition, they had zero reason to give Amuro another Gundam when he was doing so well in the one he had. Recieving a new model means he now has to adapt to the new model's feel and various control quirks that can't easily be put into words.

>>15358047
Gundam could fucking drop from orbit safely, unassisted. IIRC That wasn't replicated for a long time.

>>15373336
>...I take it your one of those clowns that doesn't consider Unicorn canon?
When the hell did Unicorn say that the Federation had fear and paranoia about Amuro in 0079?

>>15376896
Only partially.

In the show it has a heat-resistant/re-radiating film that it pulls in front of itself. In the movies it uses its shield as a heat-shield while releasing its a "heatproof field", some sort of mist, onto the shield and around itself. But the White Base still needs to catch it once it comes out of the hard part.

In Zeta the ballute system acts as a heat-shield and also helps the MS slow to a safe freefall speed. And the Zeta in waverider mode can outright just reenter and fly on its own power.

>>15375013
I like Guncannon variants but thats going a little far

Maybe Gundam the Origin S2 will change everything and we will se Amuro with the Alex.

>>15379306
And it is not impossible as they already changed the Guncannon, from a equivalent prototype of the Gundam to a super low tier mobile suit on the Origin.

Has it been confirmed that Amuro in Thunderbolt uses the regular RX-78? Maybe he has some weird RX-78 Full Armor Heavyarms with 8 sub arms.

>>15379321
He's never mentioned, so no one has any idea, but considering Amuro's fighting style, he probably stuck to a normal RX-78.

>>15379309
The Origin OVA that's going on right now is a book from the manga and they're adapting it very close to the source.

So the Guncannon is like that in the manga and the Alex doesn't even exist, I assume, since they're just pumping out GMs. They have custom GMs though, so that's cool. Sayla and Sleggar get custom models and Sayla's is basically a commando thing and Sleggar has a guncannon-esque GM IIRC.

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>>15381832
>Alex doesn't even exist
The RX-79(G) exists in OVA o
Origin so there's no reason to assume anything happens any differently unless specified.

>>15355921
>beyond top secret
kinda fuckin defeats the point of something being the "top" secret

>>15376911
Unicorn gave the Federation's fear of newtypes some actual clear and tangible political context beyond souls and gravity and Spacenoid dreams or whatever. Few were happy with said context but...it's there and it's not entirely unfounded, considering Zeon and how they can be about anything and everything.

But then there's stuff like ZZ where rhe feds were happy to give power over to a spacenoid in hopes of not being annihilated by her, but ib general, the Federation leadership is the textbook definition of selfish and cowardly so I guess it made sense in the moment.

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>>15371508
He's giving her CPR since her cockpit was breached underwater and her Guncannon washed ashore

>>15371508

The hanger guy may be gay. He has a crush on Io.

>>15383714
Oh, I see. It never clicked with me because I never considered Deikun's enlightened humans to be psychic soldiers, so I never considered that the Federation presenting a modified charter to the world to be equivalent to the Federation being paranoid about Amuro in 0079.