warhammer 40k and mechs

>>15345839
Tau are fairly comparable to Gundam and to smaller combat suits like the kind you'd find in Bubblegum Crisis or Winspector.

The Imperium is where it gets ridiculously over the top, because everything the Imperium does is larger than life. The Grey Knight Dreadknights are pretty similar to the power armor in All You Need is Kill/Edge of Tomorrow though.

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>>15345846
you mean the Dreadknight ?

>>15345856
Yes, the baby carrier. It's much bigger though.

>>15345860
ok so we got the Tau and the Imeprium
but what about the eldar and orks ?

>>15345867
Probably would compare the Orks to Mad Max, that's what they're most similar to thematically. Eldar, not sure what I'd compare them to in other popular media. Anyone have any ideas?

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>>15345884
actually orks do have """mecha""" albeit it's very orky it's still count right ?

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>>15345884
>Anyone have any ideas?

>Can only be piloted by twins, one of whom is dead, the other pilots it only to not end up insane.
>Built from a living material, grows back parts when damaged.
>Last desperate solution.
>Agile, generally carries its weaponry in its own hands.

It's not hard to see where that was copied over from.

>>15345846
>The Imperium is where it gets ridiculously over the top, because everything the Imperium does is larger than life.
Eh, a Battle Macross would tower over anything Imperium ever made. They're not that big all in all. I think it's a fair comparison to call them basically a very scaled down Macross.

>>15345919
>Built from a living material, grows back parts when damaged.
i think Wraithbone does not work like Living Metal

>>15345959
I don't mean a lost arm but damage heals over time naturally just like an Evangelion would.

>>15345894
There's this anime that fits the bill. Conflict about oil, mechs look like walking Mad-Max trash heaps.
Alternatively, you could go with Hawken. That's plenty trash to throw around.

>>15345894
Yeah, the Stompaz. They're pretty cool.

>>15345919
Ohhhhh yeaaaaah. I see what you mean.

>>15345964
oh ok
next question
how would you make a mecha anime around the universe of 40k ?

>>15345839
Comparable to a Psyco Gundam, which is made of beam weapons and collateral damage.

I'll tell you,
As me and my friends argued for months about this.
40K wins at everything the end.
Doesn't matter about facts
it only matters that whomever has the most DAKKA and the most retarded concepts in the entire universe. as long as it has more Dakka, it will always win.
I hate 40k fans

>>15345919
40k has been around longer than NGE though

>>15345839
Same old greebles and exposed pistons with joints at perpetual ninety degree angles. Eldar robots are the only ones that actually look cool and even then still fall prey to what I just said.

>>15346010
I agree.

>>15346010
>it only matters that whomever has the most DAKKA and the most retarded concepts in the entire universe
By that logic, 40k should lose to many mecha franchises.

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>>15346010
>40K wins at everything the end.

Not in MY watch

>>15346509
and the only one that beats THAT is total annhilation

that was some huge ass warfare

>>15346571
>>15346509
It would be interesting to see SupCom/TA against something like Macross. The former's got a tech advantage, but Macross's R&D is halfway Lensman grade.

Ork mekka is the best because any pretense of seriousness is thrown out the window

>>15345919
>Eh, a Battle Macross would tower over anything Imperium ever made. They're not that big all in all.

Yep, this. Battle 7 in attack mode is just shy of 1200 meters. The largest titan class is around 150.

>>15346573
In all out war?
You basically have half an hourish to respond with nukes. No defensive capability is shown above tacnuke resistance, but the capacity to teleport is. So probably a few days of work will end with enough bases scattered across space for them to be literally impossible to remove.

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>>15346509
Because Bionicles can defeat some of the most ridiculous and over thought concepts i've ever laid my eyes/ears/mouth upon. Yes, they are that stronk, Bravo.

>>15346201
Fucking no, Warhammer has some of the BEST designs/logic/universe building i've EEVVEEERR seen, and thus should not be defeated in any universe. it has 40,000 years of technological devolopment. nothing can defeat that.

Ignore Aquarion, that's the only Mecha show that shows 3 different stories over the span of 36,000 years. and is the only Animu closest to being on a technological level of 40k. And maybe Macross, but macross is fucking retarded and done by Kawamori.... so was Aquarion, explains how bad and stupid it was i guess.

So, 40k beats ever single Weeaboo machine out there.

/tg/ OUT!

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>>15345981
Honeslty if they did that it would have to be about the Tau Farsight Enclaves. An outcast society rebelling the against their former leaders. They utalize mechs and other japanese like tech. They're lead by 8 of the most badass mech piolts the Enclaves have to offer. And the leader of the 8 and the Enclaves themselves, Commander Farsight, is a grizzled and hot-blooded badass that uses his mech to wield a fuck-off huge sword that makes him almost immortal. Pretty awsome anime if you ask me. Heck even the Emperor thinks so if you watch Text-to-Speech Device.

>>15347517
What studio ?
The one who made the Gundam Origins in 2015 were great

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>>15346960
>it has 40,000 years of technological devolopment
And yet they still use guns from the '60s and their tanks are outclassed by shit we have in the real world.

Fucking hell, the fact that I can't tell whether you're joking or not is why I don't go to /tg/ any more.

>>15348303
Yes but remind yourself that the technology in the Imperium is stagnating and deified
It would make sense they have shitty tank

>>15348369
Yeah, technological development in frowned upon, instead they rely on rediscovering old technology. To be fair this prejudice is somewhat justified by that whole Iron Men business.

But you know you have a problem when people use devices they have no idea how they work or how to make them and the few people who know PRAY to them.

Also WH40K is a silly place so don't take it too seriously.

>>15348438
>spoiler
Of course I know, only fool and kids take 40k too seriously

>>15348438
>To be fair this prejudice is somewhat justified by that whole Iron Men business.
That Iron Men business is just in regards to A.I.. The reason why they place more stock in rediscovering old tech than making new is that humanity in its glory days perfected all science and technology. They were literally done with it. Nothing left to do or invent. Everything new the mechanicus could make is bound to be inferior to the millenia old shit they find buried in dirt.

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俺が頼んだのはXV104クラスのブレードソード付き

>>15346146
Wraithknight came out in 2013.

>>15348293
Well it would have to be Sunrise. They got the market cornered on mecha right now.

>>15345919

Well, I do recall there being an Ork palace that was actually a Gargant in the Beast arises novels.

It was so big, it had smaller Stompas fighting inside of it with room to spare.

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>>15348303
>>15348369
>>15348438

NOT ANY LONGER, OUR SPIRITUAL LIEGE AND SAVIOR ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN HAS RETURNED AND WE WILL ADVANCE TO THE ASSKICKING AGE!

ROLL THE THEME!

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx61xeDV_60

>>15348506
>俺が頼んだのはXV104クラスのブレードソード付き
what are you talking about ?

>>15346010
>40K wins at everything the end.

Not really, power levels in modern fiction go something like this:

Standard << Advanced Sci-Fi < 40k < Sci-Fi Anime << 'Powerful' anime.

By its very nature, most of mecha anime easily rolls over anything 40k since their biggest and baddest are the Titans and those are basically grunts for most shows out there. In general, Japanese cartoons do not stroke their dicks over imaginary realism and as such, they tend to do much more fun and (power-level wise) stronger franchises.

>>15349367

I don't know.

Knights can put to shame a lot of mecha with their abilities.

>>15349367
i think 40k is an interresting setting for it's complexity and general atmosphere
i don't like japanese anime who rely on powerleveling to make fight interesting

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>>15349412
>Knights can put to shame a lot of mecha with their abilities.

Knights are only 8 meters tall. Ball has 12 meters.
Even Battletech would class them as mere power armor or proto-mech or whatever other super-complicated name they came up with for "mechs but not really".

>>15349416
I generally don't really give a damn about power levels since it really has no point. In general, it is a dumb idea.
It's why we have so many ways to ridicule it on /m/... TTGL, Getter Emperor, Aquerion, Demonbane, you name it.

Non-autists generally don't give the slightest fuck about whether a Scopedog could beaut up RX78, it's why no really complains about the "imbalances" in SRW. Likewise, comic books (all over the wold) are also not written in accordance to some asinine rules of power levels. Iron Man vs Ryu is something fun and no one gives a darn about who "should" win.

I personally harbor a bit of a distate for 40k but more so because of its fanbase than the setting itself.
It's just not right seeing all these kid running around trying to convince you Mad Max or Judge Dredd or whatever ripped off Wh40k when in reality, the setting is just a massive blender of stolen stuff from all over sci-fi with some British heavy metal on top that was hyp at the time while the pansies in America listened to rock.

>>15349456
fandom is both a good and bad thing
it's a good thing because it can create good OC and discussion about the setting
but it will devolve into *BRAAAAAAAP* shit in the end

>>15349456

>Knights are only 8 meters tall

Where is that stated at exactly?

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>>15349489
In canon. The models are also scaled exactly to that figure.

>>15349472
I got interested in the setting through /tg/ because they were taking the proper approach. Making great OC by simply viewing it through the eyes of table-top /b/tards we all were.
However, /tg/ got moderation and all the fun left, the board a living husk since 2009. Nowadays, it's impossible to find any part of the community I could like, nor one that produces actual OC, for that matter.

>>15349563

I haven't seen that in the Knight Codex or any Forgeworld publication unless I missed it.

>>15349563
I am sorry you can't post Bitches for Thulsa Doom anymore. I know it is very difficult to browse /s/ or /gif/ the same time you are browsing /tg/.

>>15349631
I think it was Imperial Amour that canonified those scales?

You can just measure the model and apply the scale factor, you'll get the same results.

>>15349456
>Knights are only 8 meters tall

Don't be stupid.

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>>15349756

I don't know.

I think the model scales are a bit off.

For instance, they say a Stompa is twenty meters, which is mentioned in Apocalypse.

If a Knight is 8 meters, then two Knights together should never be taller than a Stompa.

Yet , it's pretty clear two Knights are far larger than a Stompa if we go by models.

>>15349828
>>15349869
Mechanicum novel, 9 meters tall.
Dawn of War 3 visibly upscales them a fuck-ton (14 m) to match the Wraithknights.
The model in inches matches the 9 meter profile and said profiles have also been used to scale the titans up until Warhound where the figures in the new books actually fit the tabletop miniature... at least for the Imperium.

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I love the dreadnought

>>15346010
>>15346960
Dude, it's not supposed to be taken seriously. Everything in 40k is a parody of something. 2 examples are the Imperium being a parody of fascism and the orks a parody of football hooligans.

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>>15350041
That used to be the case, but 40kids nowadays take it very seriously.

>>15350057

Just be glad that the writers who are still around don't take it seriously....though that has the double-edged sword that is the black leprechaun.

>>15350041
>the Imperium being a parody of fascism
and of catholic dogmatism

>>15350041
>Everything in 40k is a parody of something.
That's just something fanboys say as a shield against criticism.

>>15350092

Being a parody does not shield it from criticism, but it DOES give context to why something is the way it is.

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>>15345839
Pretty well as long as the void shields hold.
Would probably get slaughtered when shields are down.

>>15345964
>There's this anime that fits the bill. Conflict about oil, mechs look like walking Mad-Max trash heaps.
There is?

>>15348844
SOURCE ON THIS SHIT?!

>>15350293

Plus it's only well-armored on the front, it's basically defenseless in the flanks and back.

>>15350062
what the fuck is a black leprechaun?

>>15350918
I think his spell check turned Black Library to Black Leprechaun.

>>15350918
>>15350941

I'm talking about CS Goto, a black, short irishman who is known for such lovely quotes as

>"My form of canon is just as valid as anyone else's. Warhammer nerds need to get out of their mother's basements and do something with their life before they start criticizing others"

He also wrote a bunch of Black Library stuff, basically everything that ignores the set canon.

>>15351351

Also just as a note, you know when people got pissy because we saw Gabriel doing a flip in that DoW3 trailer? Yeah Goto already established SM can do that in a book.

>>15351351
>>15351360
Multi-lasers

>>15351404

donkey nids

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>>15350811
MAKE THE IMPERIUM GREAT AGAIN

>>15352195

>Guilliman returns

Whoa, like, in-canon returns?

Are they getting ready to reboot the setting like they did with Warhammer Fantasy?

>>15352699

He's coming back, yeah. Honestly I have no idea what that would mean, because if there was any Primarch the people would listen to, it's Sanguinius.

>>15352765
Yeah well Big Papa Sang is dead so we gotta move on to the next best guy.

>>15352765
>he doesn't know about sanguinius
Well this is awkward

Warhammer stuff is so expansive, what the actual fuck.

>>15352827

Oh I know he's dead, literally one of the most famous images in the entire franchise has his dead body splayed out in front of Horus. But I'm just saying, he was the one who had the people's hearts.

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Is it possible to have enough dakka?

>>15352957
>"At the point in time when bullets can pass through the interdimensional walls. When firepower takes up the entirety and eternity of space and time, all being stuck in a neverending life and death cycle as bullets recover and destroy their bodies in quick succession. No one is able to think about anything but the sheer force of the bullets rapidly flying literally everywhere in the materium turning the warp itself into nothing but a sea of semi-automatic weaponry.. Then there will be enough dakka. Or, at least almost." -The God Emperor of Mankind

>>15352699
Yeah he's back he kicked some ass then had a talk with dead old dad.

>>15353055

I'm guessing the Emprah wasn't much of a talker.

>>15353063
Talked his ear off for days on end it seems

>>15353125
Oh oh.

>>15350293
>>15350845

Well, it's said to be extremely hard to damage.

In the table top, all unit except for Walkers only hit it on a 5+.

There is also a Psyker variant too.

>>15352957

Enough Dakka is a philosophical concept, by its very nature there is never "enough" Dakka because "enough Dakka" is a state of being to be striven towards. It's like Orkish Nirvana, you are to live your life in the pursuit of Dakka because it is good, but the idea that you may someday have too much of it is suggesting there is some upper limit on goodness in the universe. It's not like there can ever be too many guns firing at once, after all. Orks don't generally appreciate the concepts of subtlety or conservation; to them ammo is to be shot, not saved, and running out of it just gives you a good excuse to use your choppa.

And no, you can't have enough choppa either.

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>>15353784

I prefer the Gorkanaut personally.

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>>15353791
Does this still count as mecha?

Side note, I have always loved the Ork tech aesthetic, ramshackle, rust and bolted together garbage is so gorgeous

>>15353801
Why does the Mega Gargant look like a Squat machine?

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>>15353827

They are built in a style reminiscent of Orks themselves.

In particular, their walkers take a bit of the Ork's hunched back nature into their construction.

However, what starts as a squat machine of war may end up eclipsing the machines of even other races if enough modifications are made to it.

>>15353845

I just asked because as far as GW is concerned, Squats were a mistake and thus we should pretend never existed. And honestly, JJ gave some pretty good reasoning as to why

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Squat#A_rare_case_of_GW_being_completely_honest

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>>15353827

That's just the old art style.

By the current day, the aesthetic becomes a bit more defined.

>>15354303
>That's just the old art style.

Say what you want about the old style, but i love the red bolters.

>>15352957
Yes, you overdesigned memespewing fuckwits, there's such a thing as enough.

>>15354416
Chill out, it's a joke, not a dick don't take it so hard.

>>15354416

You're looking at this the wrong way. Dakka is no more than a dumbed-down term for projectiles, per unit of time, in a military context. It's more commonly referred to as rounds per minute.

Thus, "Enough Dakka" is simply any quantity of bullets per second that satisfies our military goal. For a conventional, human army this is the destruction of our enemies in a timely fashion with minimal risk to ourselves. For the imperial guard, the low emphasis placed on the latter may significantly lower the quantity needed.

Orks are an interesting case. While they do, very certainly, battle, they do so for the sake of itself rather than any concrete goal. Thus, sufficiently many bullets per second would prolong the fight as long as possible, while still ensuring victory in order to fight more in the future. This may be why orks have thus far failed to identify the sufficient quantity- not only does it vary situationally, but requires a moderate and balanced amount.

This has an obvious implication- orks haven't failed to get enough Dakka, they've been stuck with too much Dakka since the beginning.

>>15354427
It's a joke that stopped being funny damn near a decade ago, and the only 40k meme that I hate on a raw gut level for how deeply it offends my sense of design. I don't have any problem with things like Macross that spam missiles upon missiles because they do it fucking tastefully.

>>15354475

As long as you're still ok with WAAAGH I'm fine. WAAAGH is more than just a battle cry or word for war, it's a way of life.

>>15345839

Man you really learn to hate those fucking things in Dawn of War

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>>15356622
>Man you really learn to hate those fucking things in Dawn of War

They're not in Dawn of War.
Only these guys are. With their, now replaced, shoulder-gun deign, anyway.

>>15356665

Oh my bad, I thought OP's was a Broadside

>>15357053
>I thought OP's was a Broadside
OP here this is a Tau'nar supremacy armor the equivalent of a Titan except for the Tau
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NZ/Tau-KX139-Ta'unar-Supremacy-Armour

>>15357084

I'm gonna be honest, most Tau mechs look way too similar to me.

>>15349201
Translation: I asked for an XV104-class with a Bladesword attachment.

>>15348601
Not really, the Wraithknight was around for GW older game Epic 40K which still pre-dates Evangelion.
1st edit rules were called Adeptus Titanicus 1988

2nd edition Titan Legions 1994 and added rules for Orks and Eldar titans.

3rd edition Epic 40,000 in 1997

So in fact Eldar Wraithknights did pre-date Eva

>>15358213
they were called Revenant Titans at the time before becoming Wraithknights.

>>15345839
Neat

>>15360511
What's neat ?

>>15358213
>So in fact Eldar Wraithknights did pre-date Eva

Their lore, however, did not.
Also, fun fact, the idea of titans and the rules for the game are stolen from Battletech (which stole them from Dougram). Have a nice day with Warhammer 40000 forgotten IP infringements.

>>15361197
The infringements are already well known, but it doesn't change the fact that they were created before Eva.

>>15361197

Which is hilarious considering how litigious GW is. And the whole reason no one has ever made a video game direct translation of the 40k tabletop like what happened with Blood Bowl, is because GW won't let them.

It's a vicious circle. Nobody buys minatures because they are too expensive because GW jacks the prices because nobody buys them because they are too expensive, and the less and less people that buy them the more guarded GW gets about their miniature sales, and they can't afford to lose them to a digital version so they raise the prices so less people buy them, so they won't allow the digital game because less people are buying miniatures because they are too expensive because fuck GW.

>>15345981
Set it around Titan Company made out of several houses of Imperial Knights, smaller more humanoid imperial titans that house a single pilot, all the pilots come from several worlds across a few systems where the factories are and have a hard chivalry knightly order boner, with the suits being inherited in each house across the generations.

We follow a young by blow who was "adopted" by the main house when their parents died, and gets a chance to pilot an Imperial Knight when a load of pilots get killed in a chaos attack on the world they were currently holding a parade on. They acquit themselves fairly well in battle and get bumped up to knight status, though are placed under a old fashioned Knight Comander who is very "muh family peasants out".

Our pilot while technically a peasent was adopted by the house. They can have one hyper religious squad mate to introduce new watchers to the idea of the God Emperor of Mankind, one who is super into the whole imperial bureaucracy positional jockeying to introduce that and the last one who is set to inherit a family title.
Depending on budget it may be sensible to involve more or less characters, we dont want to blow our fightmoney to quickly and end up in an IBO situation where you are forced to animate in MSPaint, but that said it would probably be CG.

Actually some episodes where the Titans are fucked and they have to fight on foot alongside a guard regimant and see what its like on the ground instead of a magic walking fightcastle would probably be a series highlight and save mechfight money, so lets do that.

At first its fighting off the chaos invasion, then they are deployed officially to help capture a webway node for the Adaptus Mechanicus to do science at, then to blunt a splinter of a tyranid hive fleet and fight the wierd biotechnical stuff.

>>15348303
thats because everything other than a land raider (which is also amphibous, void sealed, can drive up a vertical wall etc) is pretty much a tractor chassis with a turret gun stapled on a few thousand years ago and its illegal to either think about making it better or go through one of the several stages of even turning it on without a fucking priest present to officiate the fucking thing

>>15345839
do you have any more of this guy's tau? I like his color scheme.

>>15362854
It look like a reverse T'au color scheme with whiteas main color and orange as secondary color
Or maybe a Sa'cea

>>15362923
I just want to see his models. they look pretty nice.

>>15362551
Leman russes are not a tractor chassis. What you're thinking about is the Land Crawler, which like the Land Raider was discovered by the Archmagos Arkham Land. That has a modified tank form, used during the 500 year Krieger Civil War.

The Leman Russ is an actual tank STC.

>>15362854
same

>>15345856
no

>>15362535
ah

>>15362114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOVrmfXolQg
Check again, they've had a new marketing strategy. It doesn't change the price of their models, but they've allowed more companies to make digital games based on their property. Check your smart phone and see how many digital games there are now.

As the why and how they price their miniatures, that's another video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivgmMFA3UP8