Suzaku

They took his fish.

>>15325358
All Zaku have inferiority complex

>>15325358
He's Japanese.

>>15325370
Now he will take their lives.

>>15325358
He bought his clothes at the soup store

He has anime girl eyes

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>>15325358
>Retard hypnotizes your girlfriend and then kills her
>Ruins everything you worked for and acts like a bitch about it
>"I-i-i-i-it was just a prank bro!"

>>15325358
>He feels guilty about his father.
>He would like to make things better for everyone.
>Find a princess who could make his dream a true reality.
>Lelouch ruins everything.

People tend to side with Lelouch because "edgy MC is cool", but realistically everyone would be a bit butthurt, if your, supposed, best friend can control your waifu with some Jedi Trick and force her to act like some kind of murderess psycho.

>>15325520
>People tend to side with Lelouch because "edgy MC is cool",
Lelouch didn't actually do anything wrong

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>>15325814

>>15325814
He did literally everything wrong and the power vacuum he created would probably result in a bunch of warlords popping up around the world, using extreme violence and terrorism to take over large swathes of land, meaning his chuuni 70s anime villain plot is actually worse than just letting Britannia take its natural course.

>>15325358
>claims he's going to change Britannia from within
>never actually does anything to enact this goal
In the words of obscure rapper Comp, do somethin. Don't be a bitch now, nigga, do somethin. Don't stand and look around, nigga, do somethin!

Serious, Suzaku, do something, you useless piece of shit. Always bitching about how Lelouch is doing it wrong and that your way has s better chance of reforming the empire... Well then fucking prove it, retard, instead of sitting on your ass and sucking Charles' cock. Idiot.

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>>15325837
>never actually does anything to enact this goal
>Makes friends with an Earl and an Imperial Princess
>Becomes the first Japanese Knight in the Imperial Army
>SAZ was going to be the first step in the process by Lelouch fucked it all up
>Does nothing

I'm really starting to think that people weren't paying attention at all while watching this show because its explicit with showing that raising in the ranks was Suzaku's plan and that the SAZ would have never came to fruition without is influence which Diethard pointed out would have drawn people away from Zero.

>>15325857
>Just put a minority in a position of power, problem solved!
Liberalism is a mental disorder

>>15325828
With Schneizal geassed to use his skills and intelligence to serve Zero, and the world's aristocrats completely purged of their power, I think Lelouch did absolutely nothing wrong in how he ended it all.

>>15325901
>>>/pol/

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>>15325913
Getting his half-sister to commit genocide on h is own people and later killing her for it is totally nothing wrong!

>>15325913
You think aristocrats are the ones who become warlords?

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>>15325947
>h is own people

He had a cute waifu.

>>15325913
>to serve Zero

What's to stop some poser from putting on the mask and commanding Schneizal to fuck shit up?

>>15325358
He's original Gaelio

>>15329577
But he's McGillis. Gaelio is Shin.

>>15329550
>What's to stop some poser from putting on the mask and commanding Schneizal to fuck shit up?
They aren't "Zero" and magic.

>>15325358
He wouldn't give water.

>>15329587
nope, Gali is like Suzaku, Riddhe, Bizon, Slaine, Glamy, Mitsuhide

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>>15329608
>Suzaku
>Riddhe
They ended up at minimum decent, and on the winning team in the end.
>Bizon
>Slaine
>mistuhide
losers
>glamy
Do you mean the unintentional hero of the federation Glemmy Toto who single handedly caused the destruction of the first Neo Zeon.

I don't understand your analysis.
If it's guys who didn't get their girl then, that's wrong for Suzaku since he did, then she died. If it's how they ended well as listed above it's pretty different.

>>15329967
What do these characters have in common?

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>>15330093
They're all vocally hated?

>>15325928
Tbh, /leftypol/ says the same shit

>>15329577
But Lelouch was Gaelio. He got the mask, the imouto

>>15330093
They're hated by autists though in Bizon's case he was the only memorable thing about that show so there's no point in hating him because there's nobody to actually root for in Buddy Complex

>>15325358
He's in Code Geass.

>>15325857
What did Suzaku do that had any impact on government structure or policy and actually changed what it was like to live under Britannia?

>>15331952

To be fair, Suzaku had progressed higher in a year than any number ever had in their life, being a pilot, a knight and then one of the Emperor's personal knights.

Yes even as Knight of Seven he still couldn't do much to change anything major yet, but give him a few more years, assuming none of the Ragnarok stuff happened.

Hell just the fact that he made it as far as he did might have been changing the over all opinion as numbers. By season 2 Suzaku was highly respected in Britannia, with nobody in the military looking down on him as Japanese at all.

People don't give Suzaku enough credit.

>>15325370
that's not a nice way to call euphemia

>>15325857
Suzaku rising in ranks wasn't going to make them treat Japanese people any better. Suzaku would literally have to change the entire system in place for that to happen, and fat chance at that.

Even when he was made Euphemia personal knight, people were STILL chomping at the bit to get a chance to execute him, and hell, even Cornelia herself only acknowledged him once he saved her after she got blown the fuck out.

When you become apart of the colonization system, all that happens if you're apart of the system. We're talking about over the top, Code Geass racism at that.
Suzaku wasn't helping anyone other than himself, no matter how much he wanted.

Hell, Euphemia's free zone wouldn't have happened if not for the Black Knights.

>>15331952
>What did Suzaku do that had any impact on government structure or policy and actually changed what it was like to live under Britannia?
Hey dumbfuck! HE WAS THE FIRST JAPANESE KNIGHT IN BRITANNIAN HISTORY. This was kind of a big deal to the point where even the regime used it as a way to quell down Zero's Rebellion influence on the Elevens and that Diethard wanted Kallen to assassinate him. Integrating a pure blooded Japanese soldier into a white Britannia n royal system is apparently not changing the system from within according to you and other Lelouchfags who seems to be half asleep through most of the show.

>>15332169
>Suzaku rising in ranks wasn't going to make them treat Japanese people any better.
Having more influence meant giving him more rule and giving them their rights, becoming a Knight meant having rule over a nation to do what you see fit.
>Even when he was made Euphemia personal knight, people were STILL chomping at the bit to get a chance to execute him
Wrong, the only person who wanted him dead was Diethard who was on Zero's side since he saw that him becoming a Knight would turn the Japanese favor towards him instead of Zero. In fact Cornelia's own Knight retainers were supportive of him through it all proving once again that not all Britannains were racist assholes.
>hell, even Cornelia herself only acknowledged him once he saved her after she got blown the fuck out.
YOU MEAN PEOPLE WILL REINCORPORATE YOUR ACT OF GESTURE IF YOU SAVE THEIR LIFE? YA DON'T SAY?!
>When you become apart of the colonization system, all that happens if you're apart of the system
Show literally states that he would have governed a nation by going up the ranks. Britannia only ever wanted Japan because of their sakuradite mines and the Japs got into their own predicament due to their own underhanded dealings so as far as anyone else is concerned they got their just desserts.

>>15325857
>Makes friends with an Earl and an Imperial Princess
>Becomes the first Japanese Knight in the Imperial Army
Imam Shamil was a leader of Northern Caucasus Imamate, a mountain state which challenged Russian empire for years. After his capturing, he was granted a personal nobility by the Russian emperor Alexander II. His sons become the nobility as well, everyone of them were high ranked and decorated officers in the imperial army. Guess how that affected the state of being for the conquered tribes of Caucasus? Well, it fucking didn't. Guess how much fucks the imperial system gave about couple of tribals actually making it through the ranks? Not many. You think that imperial officials changed their minds about how the newly pacified lands should be governed by looking at Shamil sons' accomplishments? Think again, pal.
Now replace Russian empire with the British one and Shamil with Suzaku. You'll get the picture.

>>15332169
>Hell, Euphemia's free zone wouldn't have happened if not for the Black Knights.
Euphemia came up with the free zone because of Suzaku not the BK. The BK weren't exactly improving the situation in Area 11 like you're trying to imply since all it did was just increase the violence and casualty rates going about.

>>15332209
Cool story bro but that analogy doesn't apply here.

>>15332209
>Now replace Russian empire with the British one and Shamil with Suzaku
Now watch the show and realize how fucking pointless your entire post was because it doesn't apply to anything you just said nor does it defeat anything I said.

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>>15332209
>stuff
It was literally stated in the show itself that by raising his ranks in the Imperial Army he would gain more influence to actually rule a nation and him being friends with the IMPERIAL PRINCESS was an added bonus to it since she too shared his goal in mind. The SAZ was just the first step in the process and not the solution now how does any of the shit you posted apply with what the show states?

>>15332214
>Cool story bro but that analogy doesn't apply here.
Except it does?
>>15332222
>it doesn't apply to anything you just said nor does it defeat anything I said
Except it does?
>>15332207
>Having more influence meant giving him more rule and giving them their rights
Every non-noble citizen of en empire has equal rights because all of them are inferior to the monarch, this is the fucking point of the empire. Suzaku, even rising high, couldnt't give any rights to anyone simply because it is not his decision to make, it is in emperor's power only.
>becoming a Knight meant having rule over a nation to do what you see fit.
You don't "rule" anything in the Empire, you govern it because emperor has granted you the right to do so. Becoming a knight means more power granted to you personaly, but the nation you represent can go fuck itself, cause empire knows no nations - only subjects.
>HE WAS THE FIRST JAPANESE KNIGHT IN BRITANNIAN HISTORY. This was kind of a big deal to the point where even the regime used it as a way to quell down Zero's Rebellion influence
Well boo fucking hoo, Shamil and his sons were the first avarean "knights" in Russian history and it was used to calm down the rebellion. And calming down the rebellion is literally the only thing that came from nobility granted to them, as well as from their effort to "change the system" - which they had. That was the fucking point. It is the system which needs to be rebuilt entirely to make it change like Suzaku wanted, and it never happened because it means loss of power for literally everyone in the structure.

>>15332238
>by raising his ranks in the Imperial Army he would gain more influence to actually rule a nation
WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE IN THE EMPIRE IF YOU ARE NOT THE FUCKING HEAD OF IT. ARE YOU TOO STUPED TO REALIZE THAT?

>>15332268
>Suzaku, even rising high, couldnt't give any rights to anyone simply because it is not his decision to make, it is in emperor's power only.
THE SHOW LITERALLY STATES THAT BECOMING A KNIGHT OF ONE WOULD GIVE HIM ENOUGH POWER TO GOVERN A NATION OF HIS CHOOSING. Why are you arguing against what the show states using logic that does not apply to it?
>You don't "rule" anything in the Empire
Once again the show states that you are wrong
>Well boo fucking hoo,
You can down play it all you fucking want but you're still wrong and your examples doesn't apply here.

>>15325358
>names Suzaku
>not a zaku

>>15332273
>The Knight of One may request governance of any colonial area of his choosing from the Emperor. After a person is captured for assaulting a knight, the knight can then decide the fate of the captured person, as seen after an attempt to assassinate Suzaku by an Eleven; he was asked for the severity of the punishment for the Eleven. Only eight of the twelve Knights have been revealed. Former members are later revealed to be the leaders of the Four Knights of Order in Euro Britannia in Code Geass Akito The Exiled. The Code Geass novels explain that not all of the seats are filled, so those featured might be the only active members. A Knight of the Round cannot be punished for his crimes by anyone other than the Britannian Emperor, as shown when Schneizel was unable to punish Suzaku for meeting with Lelouch behind his back.

Hey Suzarager! You are wrong! The show says so.

>>15325451
>purpleeyes is never going to finish codement

why live?

>>15332285
>THE SHOW LITERALLY STATES THAT BECOMING A KNIGHT OF ONE WOULD GIVE HIM ENOUGH POWER TO GOVERN A NATION OF HIS CHOOSING
IT IS FUCKING EMPIRE, A NATION IS MERELY A PROVINCE OF IT. You are obviously thinking that empire basically has the structure of United States of America but with renamed psoitions - WELL IT FUCKING ISN'T and you are retarded.

>>15332285
>Why are you arguing against what the show states using logic that does not apply to it?
He's Suzakurager. He ignores what the show says because he doesn't have an argument to see fit so all he does is down play he's achievements.

>Suzaku becoming the first Japanese Knight isn't changing the system
>The esteem influence he brought shifted opinion of the Elevens
>It took a literal asspull for it to fail, no opposition from Britannia or Elevens rejecting it just a huge fuck up from Lelouch for the SAZ to fail

You can't make this shit up!

>>15332302
>You are obviously thinking that empire basically has the structure of United States of America
...that's exactly how Britannia is structured. It's Empire isn't limited to Japan it is just one of many Areas within it. Suzaku just wanted control of Area 11 not the Britannian Empire itself retard him becoming a Knight of One gives him right to govern it as though he see fit

>>15325837
>>never actually does anything to enact this goal
Did you even watch code geass?

>>15332302
Britannia in Code Geass isn't even structured like a traditional Empire to begin with so your entire analogy makes no sense.

>>15332290
>blah blah muh honor blah blah assaulting the knight blah blah i miss the whole concept of governance and how is it different from any other in the so i will hide behind irrelevant details to cover my stupidity
Here, i summed it up for you.

>Suzakurager Suzakurager Suzakurager
Oh, you invented a fresh boogeyman, how cute!

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What the fuck was HIS problem?

>>15332321
He never had a fish to begin with.

>>15332319
>No argument

Here's a (you) for the road Suzakurager. Next time how about you use an analogy that actually makes sense.

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Suzaku's problem was that he didn't get enough murder-sprees.

>>15332319
Yeah we should just call you a shitty troll like the good old days.

>>15332213
Yeah, but it was because of all of the ruckus caused by the Black Knights that the discussion even came up in the first place

>>15332213
Euphemia came up with the free zone because of Nunnally not Suzaku.

>>15332335
>but it was because of all of the ruckus caused by the Black Knights that the discussion even came up in the first place
She was shot down by everyone by Schienzel, and he was just doing it to amuse her really, seeing the ghetto for herself swayed her opinion on the matter but the Imperial didn't particularly care either way.

>>15332308
>that's exactly how Britannia is structured
That's the exact fucking opposite.
>Japan it is just one of many Areas within it
Exactly, and it is NOT sovereighn, NOT self-governed in any way and NOT chooses ith representative. Oh, a newly sent governor is squint eyed. Biiiiig fucking deal. His loyalty is still to the crown, not for a nation.
>isn't even structured like a traditional Empire
Yeah, there were never empires where provinces were called areas. That's a principal difference which changes everything.

>>15332339
Wrong again retard

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>>15332353
FYI I'm not the guy you were talking to. You need to go rewatch the show or more precisely, episode 22 before you call anyone else retarded.

>>15332358
>still trying to argue even when contradicted by the show's canon
It's gotta be bait at this point.

>>15332344
>That's the exact fucking opposite.
Wrong again retard
>Exactly, and it is NOT sovereighn, NOT self-governed in any way and NOT chooses ith representative.
Also wrong. Each of those areas have their own government representative and this is even expanded in Akito where KoR has their own branch they're just under the same Empire.
>Oh, a newly sent governor is squint eyed. Biiiiig fucking deal.
Yeah he's just the second biggest strongest power after the Emperor and was appointed a nation to do so under his own behalf.

>>15332368
>contradicted by the show's canon
Except you've stated nothing of he sort that runs direct opposite of my claim because you still believe Britannia runs the same as real world politics hence why you keep falling over yourself.

>>15332365
Wrong again retard

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>>15332321
Insecurity was his problem.

>be super-smart kid forced to grow up in the shadow of even smarter older brother
>can't ever beat him at chess
>develop insecurity
>suddenly get humiliated and traumatized by jerkass father in front of everybody
>develop even more insecurity and rage
>harbor those feelings for about 10 years, keep them bottled up

Lelouch is the guy who embodies all the most crippling effects of masculine identity. He can't handle defeat, humiliation, or being "less than" anyone else. His upbringing cemented that shit right into him, and his character arc throughout the show is how he moves away from that.

The fact that he hides behind different identities and puts on these dramatic displays of power is also evident of his insecurity. He's hiding behind the mask because he can't cope with being himself. When he confronts Charles for the first time, Lelouch starts bragging about his army and everything he's conquered, and then Charles basically says he's full of shit and that he's just an insecure little child (there are masks floating around on the walls during this scene, the symbolism is beyond obvious).

Lelouch latches on to his victories and his strengths and parades them around like they're the greatest things in the world, fooling himself with his own fanfare as Zero while never actually overcoming his own insecurity. Even Nunnally is basically another front for him. Taking care of her is just how he reminds himself that he's "alive" (this is what Charles said to him when he exiled him, and what he said to Suzaku when he asked him why he insisted on refusing his help).

Code Geass is actually not half bad when it comes to portraying identity and insecurity.

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>>15332381
uh uh

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>>15332381
Swing and a miss Rager

>>15332381
>>15332389
Wait a minute, I'm not even on the same side as the other retard(s). Are you trying to say I was arguing with myself?

>>15332383
The notion that inferiority complex was his main problem as opposed to daddy issues never crossed my mind before. Hmmmmm

>>15332406
I remember how I felt when I first watched the show 10 years ago. I also have a super successful brother and dad, and I'm insecure as fuck about my accomplishments and what other people think of me. So everything Lelouch did seemed like it made perfect sense. I wanted to see him stick it to his asshole family, get his sweet revenge. Make them feel stupid for ever doubting him - to get that validation. The theatrics and the drama make it all the more sweeter, it's why he reveals his face to Clovis and Cornelia before he executes his grand schemes.

Then I re-watched the show years later, when I was more aware of my own insecure failings, and realized that Lelouch was just a pissed off, angry, petulant little child who suddenly gained the ability to conquer the world.

There's also a bit of stock character in Lelouch as well. Byronic hero and all that. Also, Code Geass is basically Count of Monte Cristo. If I had to define this show, it'd be a "geopolitical mecha picaresque thriller."

>>15332417
Pretty sure you're just projecting. In the show Lelouch spends maybe a fraction of the time spent obsessing over his dad obsessing over his half brother. If he really had so much of an inferiority complex we'd surely see some signs of it BEFORE his mother and sister got shot, but he was happy and carefree as a child can be.

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>>15332431
>Pretty sure you're just projecting.
You're probably right. Although, death of the author, as you know. But the specific scenes I pointed out don't exist for no reason:

>"You want others to know your true self, but you only show them a false face. How can anyone know you if you don't reveal yourself? You're afraid they'll find out who you really are."

That's what Charles says to Lelouch when they finally meet in season 2. The signs are all there - the show doesn't have to spell it out explicitly. Take a look at Breaking Bad. Very similar show with very similar protagonists. There's a lot that goes unsaid in every scene in Breaking Bad, but the audience can infer the main character's insecurity through the way he interacts with others, how he boasts about his frail accomplishments, and how he presents himself ("I am the one who knocks"). Lelouch does a lot of the same things.

Insecurity is a subtle, insidious emotion that doesn't manifest itself in clear or apparent ways.

>>15332328

That's true. I remember when everyone thought his raging violent to everyone mode was gonna be his default personality in R2, and were annoyed that he mostly reverted to just a slightly gruffer version of his usual one.

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>>15332775
Well, he remained violent...

His problem is that he's too good for the show and its retarded fanbase.

>>15335956
Well he and Lelouch are the only characters I would say are written competently compared to the rest.