Is that the federations new mobile suit??

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>>15295485
I actually like that, it could be a form useful in the various gundam videogames for giving the gundam flight or interception abilities, situational but useful.
Though its also pretty neat when the Gundam just flies around by standing on the back of the G-Fighter, something about the teamwork is pretty appealing and lets it match all the zeon suits zooming through the air on those flying platforms.

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>>15295501
http://mahq.net/mecha/gundam/mobilityfleet/rx-78opt.htm

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>>15295501

>>15295571
I want this Federation new mobile suit! What in the world is this?

>>15295485
RENPOGUN SHIN GATA MOBIRU SUTSU!?

>>15296132
Its using the Gundam's modular nature to turn it into a high-speed space-interceptor MA with a couple of battleship beam-cannons added alongside its rifle for even more firepower.

>http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/RX-78Opt_Gundam_G-Dash

>>15296144
Sounds like a weapon that could have been like a grandfather to Dendrobium.

ITS A GUNDAAAAAAAAAAA...[explosion]

ONCE THE ZAKRELLO REACHES FULL PRODUCTION THE FEDERATION IS DONE FOR

>>15295571
>>15295638
Why can't Zeon do anything right? This is conceptually identical to the Zakrello, but refined and made functional.

>>15296982
Zeon is too busy competing against itself and funding a dozen different "war-winning superweapons" to do something sensible like that.

I liked and like the G Armor and its combinations. It's nice to me.

>Let's put Super elements in our Real show
Fucking stupid.

>>15297926
'Real Robot' wasn't a thing that existed at the time.

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>>15297917
This G Armour thing basically exists as a way to deploy the Gundam to battlefields right? It serves as a carrier for the MS that then jumps out when they arrive at the operation site. And it can also provide fire support with its beam cannons?

Though I guess it is kind of impossible in terms of the physics how it manages to dis-engage and re-engage its segments on the fly like that.
Isn't the ZZ Gundam even worse for this with its combining nonsense?

>>15297954
It was still stupid.

>>15297962
>"possibility" mattering in a cartoon world of giant robots
Hum, I liked ZZ too. And why're you talkin' like you haven't seen the G-Armor in action? Ah well.

Actually, that woulda been pretty cool, overall- the Gundam and G-Armor fighting more actively against more MS on Dodais.

>>15297965
You know what was also stupid? Letting a spy on the base.

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>tfw there'll never be a series where GMs fool around with Project V gubbins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC8jN_5w2jI

Any SRW that features the original Gundam stuff should definitely include the original support unit instead of the Core Boosters.

And also the Super Napalm weapon as an attack for the Gundam.

>>15297970
Hey, it was so fast it made the pilot piss himself on his first sortie.

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>>15297978
What about side-story featuring a Federation supply warehouse that was involved in Project V, they come under attack but don't have the parts to assemble one of the proper mobile suit configurations so instead they improvise.

End up fighting off the Zeon attack with one of these >>15295485 one of these >>15296077 and finally a Guncannon body rolling around on the Tank's treads?

The modular nature of the V-Series MS never really got used to its full potential in the franchise.

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>>15297992
To be pedantic they'd more likely be using this configuration of the G Bull, since the Easy variation is the one made without a Gundam torso in it.

>>15295638
wish this canon

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>THE NEW FEDERATION MOBILE SUIT?!

>WHAT A MONSTER!

>>15295888
>>15295501
Did anyone else get a kick out of that stage in Federation vs Zeon where you fly around as the Gundam standing on the back of the plane to fight a GAW? This was years ago when the only Gundam I had watched or knew was Wing so it was a surprise. (as an aside also remember much preferring machineguns over beam rifles when playing it, since you reloaded them all at once instead of waiting for individual charges to build up)

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>>15297992
>The modular nature of the V-Series MS never really got used to its full potential in the franchise.
Agreed, which is a shame since this was supposedly what allowed the Federation to win the war in the end anyways; One continuous Mobile Suit production line instead of 5 competing ones.

>>15298175
That's from one of those model-fighter animes I assume?

>>15298175
>That shoulder mounted launcher isn't a builder part in GB3, but it's a handheld bazooka for the Ground type Gundam
reeeee

>>15297976
Oh yeah, of course.

>>15298295
>That's from one of those model-fighter animes I assume?
Nah, just someone's kitbash.

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I really like how MSV-R gave the G-Armor a troop transport variant.

>>15298367
Its always nice to see the actual footsloggers get a nod in a supposed 'real' military series.

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>>15298384
>Its always nice to see the actual footsloggers get a nod in a supposed 'real' military series.
It's why I love the Loto, it's an MS IFV!

>>15298388
Did you have to post them alongside that? Guntanks having now existed long before the war and Guncannons being downgraded to jobber shits is terrible.

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>>15298396
>Did you have to post them alongside that?
But Origin Guntank is awesome!

Now if only I could keep the bogie leg ball joints glued to the pins...

>>15298367
>that company that went bankrupt in 1979

>>15298175
>One continuous Mobile Suit production line

GM Command would like a word with you

>>15298970
H-HAYAI

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>>15297992
>>15298024
It'll never happen, but that idea amuses me.

Though, if they had the G Bull and the G... whatever the "all the gundam and only the back parts of the G Fighter" combination was called, they could just form a Gundam and a G-Fighter.

>>15300594
GM Command style frame was a side-project by EFF Augusta base, it didn't disrupt or halt regular production of any other GM types.

>>15295485
No, it's Bandai's new cash cow.

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>>15297992
You know, if you switched out the Guntank's gun-arms with proper manipulator appendages from the Guncannon or Gundam it would be alot more effective in mid-short range firefights.

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>>15298087

>>15301239
It'd also become much more heavy due to having to carrier the additional ranged weapons rendering it even less mobile (suit).

>>15301947
You think all those missiles it fires out of the arm cannons are light? Without them it would have enough weight to carry actually useful beam weapons

>>15301975
Yeah, it's still lighter, or do you think straping a beam rifle to the gundam's head in place of the vulcans would be lighter.
The pic above only works because they changed ALL of the payloads. They replaced the much heavier cannons with something much lighter to allow more weight onto the arm payloads.

>>15302010
You're full of shit, the Gundam can cart around all sorts of weapons and shields at once on a pair of narrow legs, there's no way the Guntank is going to be crippled just by carrying a beam rifle.

>>15302208
You're full of shit if you're really trying to say those massive cannons on his back are lighter than a shield and rifle, also, it's the balance and recoil that requires the lower center of balance and traction, so your legs theory is weak shit.

>>15302256
>>15302010
>>15301947
And how would giving it standard arms that can hold a beam rifle instead of a pair of multi-barreled rocket launchers overbalance it?

You aren't making any sense at all, if anything being able to carry and drop hand-held weapons as needed will only increase its potential mobility.

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>>15301947
Look at how big its Bop Missile Launcher arms and their munitions are.

>>15302261
Cut the contrarian bullshit, even a child can see it: robotic hands don't work by magic, you're replacing hand-turrets with robotic hands, and where the hollow barrels in the arms were with rods and actuators, though I doubt ammo is kept in the arms, the combined weight of the ammo+turrets-hollowspaces is obviously going to be less than hands+rods+actuators+dualbeamrifles.
You're the one that makes zero sense, and that mess up you made with the treads vs legs thing really highlights that.

>>15302275
You're getting way too focused on one image that showed a Guntank with double beam rifles, the upside to mobile suits is they can use their hands to wield all sorts of weapons as needed.

>>15302278
Except the anon made a point that beam rifles were superior, anything else would be moot. You can equalize the amount of ammo is in the guntank to match an external weapon, but that'd basically mean that the weapon itself minus ammo would be added than what it had.
It's simple logic for anyone used to the battletech universe designs, hands are only good for mechs designed for melee in some capacity, otherwise it's just dead weight.

>>15302278
You mean switch between weapons they've already been carrying on them. It's extremely rare in that era to wrestle away a weapon from someone before they explode along with it.

>>15302317

It'd also be frustratingly hard for him to pick up any weapon that wasn't either handed to him or prop'd up against a wall, even with hands.

I honestly wonder why they didn't eventually build a Guntank-derivative with Beam Cannons?

I mean, they eventually had Minovsky Reactors small and powerful enough that a suit could charge it's own Beam Weapons, right?
Wouldn't a Guntank Chassis provide the perfect base to create a mobile suit with battleship grade Beam Cannons?

>>15302349
A Beamtank? Sounds cool, tho they clearly were tryin to making beam weaponry in 0079 unique snowflake uber-weapons.

>>15302411
Well 0079 at least has the excuse that the miniaturization tech wasn't quite there yet; The Project V Beam Rifle was actually a cheat that used pre-compressed cartridges of High Energy Minovsky Particles called E-CAPs (And later interchangeable E-PACs), so the Gundam was only needed to provide a small bit of power to actually fire the weapon, but it was also limited to a certain number of shots before needing to be recharged from a much larger Generator, like those on a Battleship.

Seems it wasn't until late UC (0116) that there was a beam rifle that ran directly off a Suits Reactor...

>>15302505
Who knows, with S2 Thunderbolt coming, maybe we'll get some new funky configs like a Beamtank.

>>15302505
I wouldn't exactly call it cheating. The federation legitimately did something amazing by miniaturizing the beam rifle. The only thing missing was a better energy transfer system, which the Gelgoog supposedly had as it could replenish megaparticles on its own.

And the Marasai could replenish its burst fire rifle as quickly as it could use it despite the reactor being not that great overall.

>>15302505
>a beam rifle that ran directly off a Suits Reactor...
Wait, I thought the Gelgoog could already do this. To a lesser extent, the Gyan as well.

The Gelgoog doesn't use E-caps in UC; it produces enough Minovsky particles off its own generator that it can beamspam a la Char's Gelgoog during Amuro's fight in Texas colony with the Gyan?

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>>15302514
>Who knows, with S2 Thunderbolt coming, maybe we'll get some new funky configs like a Beamtank.
Well they have one of the best damn Guntanks already!

>>15302517
>The only thing missing was a better energy transfer system, which the Gelgoog supposedly had as it could replenish megaparticles on its own.
>And the Marasai could replenish its burst fire rifle as quickly as it could use it despite the reactor being not that great overall.
>>15302524
>Wait, I thought the Gelgoog could already do this.
It could?
I didn't see anything that suggested this, but considering Zeon Aquatic MS had on-board Beam Cannons, it isn't an impossibility...

So yeah, why wasn't there a Post OYW Beamtank?!

>>15302593
I want a kit of that thing so bad.

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>>15302593
That looks like ass.

This is the best Guntank by far.

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>>15302593
>but considering Zeon Aquatic MS had on-board Beam Cannons, it isn't an impossibility...

They did use a cheat for that though involving the fact that they were aquatic suits.

>>15302618
I'm a fan of the R-44, personally.

>>15302618
I want a kit of this too.

>>15302854
Go back to SRWG-W.

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>Federation never mass produced guntanks of any kind ever again despite the fact that they assraped zeeks
>Federation never mass produced guncannons of any kind ever again despite the fact that they assraped zeeks
>Federation never mass produced any of their mobile armors despite the fact that they assraped zeeks
>Federation has enough money to make dozens upon dozens of variations for dozens upon dozens of gundam models with varying degrees of utility
>Never mass produces just one gundam model but will gladly mass produced awful downgraded GM-type versions that fare in battle even worse than bad guy grunts

>>15303270
that's because the mass production models suck ass

what if I told you GM has nearly identical specs to the gundam

>>15303317
I honestly don't believe that it would have cost more to mass-produce gundams rather than GMs. They never even say it in the show.

>>15303336
it wouldn't matter much because the pilots aren't good enough to make use of higher end units

mass production guntanks in 08th ms team and the guntank teams in MS igloo and origin get slaughtered

in 0080 and origin, guncannons get slaughtered again. outside of MSG and the 0081 animated intro they are horrible against other MS

>>15303352
I keep hearing that zeek pilots had better skill, but just how long did mobile suits exist before the show? Did they really have that much more time to get used to MS? Zeon pumped out different models every week, with different controls, and pilots got used to those in no time. Somehow though, the federation made ONE ms model yet allegedly their pilots had no experience (which again, no one actually says in the show).

>>15303366
It probably has more to do with difference in military culture and training regimen. Zeon does seem to be more competent in this respect, explains why they have such high esprit de corps. Whereas Federation, as a very expansive organization, has grown lax and inefficient.

>>15303366
In original continuity going from the databooks and model kit booklets, the first mobile suit was created in 0072 and the first combat ready MS in 0075.

>Did they really have that much more time to get used to MS?
Well they've been preparing for war for years. The EFF is caught off guard, so they have to play catchup in terms of logistics and software development, which is why the Gundam's learning computer data plays a role in getting the GMs operational and effective.

>Zeon pumped out different models every week, with different controls, and pilots got used to those in no time.
At least going by a real life military, you don't always keep re-equipping all squads or platoons or battalions with the latest gear. If a unit had Zakus already, then Doms might go to other units or ones that haven't already gotten used to the Zaku. The unit equipped with Zaku suits might not upgrade until much later, when Gelgoogs are available. Or you could have certain units mainly using Zimmad MS and some mainly using Zeonic MS for commonality.

It's not exactly a given that all MS should have controls that are really different from each other either. Just like what happened with the first automobiles, certain control layouts can differ and some manufacturers might prefer to do things a certain way, but some developments just make enough sense or are superior enough that everyone will adopt and standardize on it. I can't imagine that Zeonic and Zimmad would be quite stupid enough to intentionally make their cockpits different enough that both require separate training.

>>15303415 continued

>Somehow though, the federation made ONE ms model yet allegedly their pilots had no experience (which again, no one actually says in the show).
When people throw around the term experience, it's not about knowing the cockpit layout and what the buttons, levers, and pedals do. They mean combat experience, which is fighting the enemy and surviving and putting the knowledge gained to good use.

Also, MSG has some parallels to WWII, with Zeon having bits of Imperial Japan and the Third Reich mixed in. Zeon has a smaller population than the Federation and thus they have to keep their forces fighting longer to match the Federation's greater manpower. The EFF can better afford to pull back units that have experienced high casualties and replace them with fresh recruits, not so much in Zeon's case. That means that while Zeon pilots get to see a lot more combat and gain more experience, it also means there are fewer experienced pilots as the war goes on and pilots die for various reasons (where experience won't necessarily save them). The EFF starts off with a larger pool of manpower of less-experienced people, but as time goes on it gets better because they gain experience and aren't as likely to die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_warfare_of_World_War_II#Aircrew_training
http://acepilots.com/german/ger_aces.html

That parallels Japan and Germany keeping their air crews flying until they eventually die, and the US and British forces being able to pull back injured forces and reinforce losses with new crew. As a bonus, experienced allied pilots would be recalled to become instructors who could help share their knowledge with recruits, which helps bring up the base skill level of new recruits and improve training process as a whole.

>>15302854
>I'm a fan of the R-44, personally.
Certain better than that ground assault trash heap...

>>15303270
>>Federation never mass produced guntanks of any kind ever again despite the fact that they assraped zeeks
Well with Origin, they actually did Mass Produce the Guntank, but it was used more as a big scary bulldozer and occasional artillery piece instead of a Tank, let alone a Mobile Suit.

>>15303352
>ass production guntanks in 08th ms team and the guntank teams in MS igloo and origin get slaughtered
When were Guntanks getting Slaughtered in Origin?
The only time I can think of Guntanks getting killed was when young Casval got his Red Comet on... IN a Guntank...

>in 0080 and origin, guncannons get slaughtered again.
To be fair to Origin, those are the Early-type Guncannons, cumbersome humanoid machines designed for Fire-support instead of direct combat.
By the time Project V and it's RX-77 role around, Tem's been using it as a test bed for his Gundam series.

>>15303680
>When were Guntanks getting Slaughtered in Origin?
I'm pretty sure Guntanks are considered obsolete machines within the realm of MS combat, when it comes to Origin.

>To be fair to Origin, those are the Early-type Guncannons, cumbersome humanoid machines designed for Fire-support instead of direct combat.
Guncannon has always been more support fire oriented than direct combat.

>By the time Project V and it's RX-77 role around, Tem's been using it as a test bed for his Gundam series.
While they're under the same project and are probably sharing technology, the Origin animation makes it sound like the Guncannon ideal was something that Tem Ray didn't want to move toward. He acts like the Gundam was his pet project that is a competitor to the Guncannon.

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>>15303691
>While they're under the same project and are probably sharing technology, the Origin animation makes it sound like the Guncannon ideal was something that Tem Ray didn't want to move toward. He acts like the Gundam was his pet project that is a competitor to the Guncannon.
True, but like I said he was probably using the RX-77 as a test bed for the technologies that would go into the Gundam, making it far more capable in MS combat than the RCX-76.

When the Origin animation gets into the MSG re-telling phase, you'll see the improved non-gimped Guntank and Guncannon. The Origin manga actually starts out with a straight up re-tell of the original series.

>>15297970
I always see the Devil Gundam when I look at this one. It's the legs, you know?

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Ahahahah what the fuck

>>15295485

TRANSFORMERS
ROBOTS IN DISQUISE

But really, the fact that part of the Gundam Mk. I is a jet is something that goes as far back as UC at least.

>>15303759
What's wrong?

>>15303841
I'm assuming it's the manipulators.

>>15303336
Lunar Titanium doesn't grow on trees, my dude

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>>15302275
You are genuinely retarded. Your entire argument is based on a false premise that the ammo is not kept in the arms. Maybe if you weren't a moronic newfag you would know that they are. Lurk the fuck more.

>>15302300
>bringing up battletech garbage

>>15302317
> It's extremely rare in that era to wrestle away a weapon from someone before they explode along with it.

Wrong retard, watch more UC.

>>15302256
>also, it's the balance and recoil that requires the lower center of balance and traction, so your legs theory is weak shit.

You do realize that they are other MS in UC that have similar sized cannons which are able to operate them just fine right? Please don't comment on things which you are clearly clueless about. Also the Gundam is only a little bit taller than the Guntank so issues of center of balance are irrelevant. The "traction" issue you brought up is completely nonsensical and is not even worth addressing. It was just you spouting off random shit to try and make a coherent argument like a small child.

>>15302332
False, look at >>15301239 you blind faggot and you can clearly see it can reached the ground with its arms.

>>15304047
Disregarding your other garbage replies which are pretty much just you insulting and cussing because you have no argument, are you really so completely stupid that you're seriously disregarding reality, physics, and common sense by actually saying:
>umm but these other robots can in the cartoon!
instead of actually confessing you literally don't know why a fucking tank is designed the way it is.

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Hey gais is this the mobile tank thread?

>>15303352
Origin isn't canon.
Its a piece of shit that jobbed Guncannons for no reason and didn't even give them proper MS hands.

>>15303749
>When the Origin animation gets into the MSG re-telling phase, you'll see the improved non-gimped Guntank and Guncannon. The Origin manga actually starts out with a straight up re-tell of the original series.
Yeah, I thought I read something along these lines, hence why >>15304187 butthurt over the RCX-76 being sucky is hilarious, since it's the RX-77 that is the proper Guncannon.

Still, I don't think the RTX-65 was actually all that bad, just that no one fought with it as a mobile weapon or even as a tank...
Casval was the only one we've ever seen use it for more than being a bulldozer or an artillery piece, and he took down two identical machines with three to one odds.

Why the fuck is NiceDaemonette posting? He didn't even finish the original Gundam.
Fuck off.

>>15304187
Origin is newcanon that supersedes the old. DEAL WITH IT NOSTALGIANERD

Those are prototype RX-76. RX-77 in Origin get hands

>>15305469
You're both somewhat off. It's gonna be in canon limbo until they release another piece if media that solidifies it. Just how it goes. Pointless to argue over.

>>15305469
Though I fully suspect that it's just a waiting game until they do. Probably in some sort of magazine or print as a lead into the next UC project, maybe even Thunderbolt S2.

>>15298161
I remember always trying to jump on top of those G-Fighters

The reload mechanic for the Ground GM and Ground Gundam were so cool

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>>15304187
>that jobbed Guncannons for no reason

Origin introduces drama in Feddie MS development between Tem Ray and Anaheim Electronics big wigs. Obviously because Tem is on the fringes of the spectrum and took way too long developing RX-78 to perfection. So AE went ahead with a lesser design they felt was good enough to mass-produce.

RX-76 got wrecked so hard that AE had no choice but to submit to Tem Ray's autism. While it's not stated explicitly, there's no evidence of the Guntank getting wrecked by Zeon mobile suits. In fact, it seems like they put the Guntank's powerful weaponry on the RX-77, which means Guntank always had sufficient firepower to stand up to Zeonic mobile suits. RX-76 that got wrecked had very short shoulder cannon barrels and were probably based on the mobility prototype guncannon, rather than the firepower prototype with the big ass cannons

It all really makes sense. I prefer Origin's more streamlined and expounded story-telling.

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>>15306980
>While it's not stated explicitly, there's no evidence of the Guntank getting wrecked by Zeon mobile suits. In fact, it seems like they put the Guntank's powerful weaponry on the RX-77, which means Guntank always had sufficient firepower to stand up to Zeonic mobile suits.
I kinda figured this was the case, and makes sense for why a Guntank was still around for Project V.
Honestly the only issue with Guntank-types is that they're terrestrial only, but I'm sure the Federation could just slap Guntank Weapons to an armored Space Worker Pod...

Guntank and Guncannon were fine, but they couldn't ever beat Zakus in close quarter battles or dogfight (until they have Luna titanium armor and/or beam rifles), isn't that the point? The Guncannon were misused and Guntanks unsuitable, therefore for anti-MS combat they needed something with better mobility and close combat effectiveness, isn't it?

>>15309125
>The Guncannon were misused and Guntanks unsuitable, therefore for anti-MS combat they needed something with better mobility and close combat effectiveness, isn't it?
That's basically Tem's argument for the Gundam; The Federation NEEDS a True Mobile Suit capable of fighting Zeon counterparts in Close Quarters, as they're otherwise far too nimble to hit reliably with weapons powerful enough to damage them.