ANN whines about F91

>>15262290

Another pointless thread from an anon who thinks we care.

I'm really not interested in reading that link, but I do think F91 was actually a really entertaining, compact Gundam story. I think people just mainly complain about it because of the loss of the intended series it replaced.

It's leagues better than Char's Counterattack anyway.

>>15262290
You should take it to ANN OP. Or someone else who actually cares.

>>15262310

Most complaints don't seem to be about that, so I doubt it.

>>15262290
Oh boy, Izumo: Flash of a Brave Sword out on DVD!

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>>15262290
If you hate ANN so much, why do you keep going back there?
Andy why are you spreading their cancer onto /m/?

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>>15262290
https://archive.is/fXIPq

>>15262541

ANN mods were once mean to Duel.

>>15262290
>Mainstream anime nerd site doesn't get robot show.

And?

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>>15262395
They are though. They usually say it's "rushed" and feels like an annotated version of a full series. Look it up.

t. someone who watched it yesterday and was reading reviews on it.

>>15262621

They don't though. "They" complain about the pacing, and in some of those cases note that it probably feels rushed due to being a cut down version of a planned TV show - but noting something isn't the same as lamenting it's loss.

>>15262796
You need to look into the word "inference" my man

>>15262290
Besides needing to jack yourself off about how patrician and superior you are, what is your actual objection to their review?

I love F-91 more than most, but even I'll concede that it is pretty bad in every regard except for mecha-porn. The plot is rushed and disjointed, major plot points happen during jump cuts, and most of the characters basically ride along with wherever the plot takes them. It's easy enough for a fan to follow because it sticks so close to the formula that we've all seen it before, but for everyone else it's a dumb, confusing movie with some cool battles. If anything the reviewer is being overly generous here.

Also, if you hate ANN so much then why do you post every single article here? I'm pretty sure you're just advertising the site under the guise of complaining.

>>15262925

I'm perfectly aware of the word and it's meaning. I just don't agree that one infers the other. No more than me noting that a team won a match by abusing rules infers that I dislike said team.

>>15262972
>literally disagreeing to disagree

Okay well I can play too: no, you're wrong, my inference is correct because opinions are black and white.

>>15262605
hi Valvrager

>>15262796
>>15262944

AGE and G Reco had alright pacing, but given how many retards keep complaining about it, you sometimes wonder if it isn't the fault of dumb Americans for not being able to follow anime properly.

Not everything needs 150% exposition.

>>15263000

You're the one making the claim, so it's up to you to provide evidence. Which you haven't, and can't because it's purely speculation and anecdotal evidence on your part.

The guy in the comments said it best, it's a compact Gundam story.

Thank God it's a movie, because I wouldn't be able to tolerate 50 episodes of Tomino's autistic writing otherwise.

At least I can watch it just for the mecha porn. That's enough by me.

>>15263028

G-Reco had plenty of exposition though. The first episode even had some weirdly unnecessary exposition in Bellri explaining what he was doing to control the Big Arms even as he was doing it, despite it being obvious what was happening. Not everything needs 150% exposition, but too much or too little exposition isn't the only cause of pacing, and having only 15% instead of 150% can be it's only problem to point out the other side of the coin.

>>15262944
>what is your actual objection to their review

Not OP, and I agree with your criticism of F91. I feel like a lot of anime reviewers just hate mecha anime other than Evangelion.

>>15262290
F91 sucked get over it already no amount of potential it could've had to be great doesn't change the piece of shit we ended up getting.

Oh whoop dee doo the animation is good SO FUCKIN WHAT?! Shut the fuck up already god damn watch IBO or something if you want a unique Gundam that actually lived up to its potential instead of falling flat on its face.

F91 was awesome, only whiners and snobs hate it, if the pacing had any problem it was too slow

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I DON'T GIVE A DAMN

STOP SHILLING

CURE YOUR AUTISM

since when did /m/ not like F91? It was one of the better UC side stories lets be honest

>>15265577
/m/ isn't one person.

romeo and juliet
>>/lit/

>>15263159
>Oh whoop dee doo the animation is good SO FUCKIN WHAT?!
Pretty much my response to 08th MS Team and 0083 fans.

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>>15262570
I think I have a new favorite /m/ image

>>15265627
GUNDAM HYAKURETSU-KEN

>>15262290
>2017
>still caring about the ANN boogeyman

>>15265652
I've seen this original storyboard before but never noticed that specific panel until now. Now I can't stop giggling like an idiot hahaha. I guess it was an early concept of F91 rotating its beam sabers to take out the bugs

>>15265577

F91 isn't a side story. And /m/ has always been divided on F91, with a fairly sizable chunk not caring about or outright disliking, if not hating it.

>>15262290
As much as I hate ANN, F91 is bad. It's a 4-cour Anime condensed into a 2 hour movie. There's some interesting stuff there but it's fundamentally flawed.

>>15262570
I hate seeing production stuff for F91, I fucking hate Sunrise so much. Why couldn't they just treat Tomino good instead of jerk him around and fuck up every single one of his projects in one manner or another.

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Gfff

>>15262310
>I think people just mainly complain about it because of the loss of the intended series it replaced.
that' what they say when they explaining why the movie turned out being bad you fucking retard

>>15265722
>Why couldn't they just treat Tomino good
G Reco should give you an indication. They gave him a fucking great staff.

Top notch animation, top notch music and everything else. All he had to do was deliver a meaningful experience with all the assets that were provided to him, and he still fucked up.

>>15265722

They didn't fuck up Zeta, ZZ. Char's Counterattack, Turn-A or G-Reco at the very least. I'm not aware of any fuckery on their part during Ideon, Xabungle or Brain Powered either.

>>15265737
No, they forced him to turn it into a Gundam-related project and cut the amount of episodes he was initially promised in half. Go look up early production stuff for G-Reco you mong.

>>15265743

No, Tomino requested it be 26 episodes, not Sunrise. He said as much himself. And for the simple reason he wasn't sure he could handle the production of a full 50 episode show at his age. Sunrise had nothing to do with it beyond saying okay.

>>15265741
With ZZ they were tone policing him the whole time, with 0079 the series was cut short. Turn A, Zeta, and CCA are relatively untainted because Sunrise was in the money but the story of Tomino from the very beginning has been the studio not being there for him when he needed it.

F91 is set up to fail from the get-go
That said, it was decent enough as is
Also stop going to ANN

>>15265743
26 episodes is the norm these days. If other directors can get along fine with 13 episodes, tomino sure as hell doesnt need 52, and if he does to produce a good show, then he's a liability to the studio.

>>15265749

I never mentioned 0079, but they cut it short for a simple financial reason because it wasn't being watched. It's not a nice call, but it's a fairly practical one. Also, I've never heard squat about them forcing tone during ZZ. As far as I've seen it said that was all Tomino who wanted a more comic tale to follow the more serious Zeta. Which wouldn't be surprising given his own production history.

>>15265765
I have no idea where I read this to be honest but somewhere I had read that Sunrise was pissed at how dark the ending of Zeta was and they wanted him to lighten up with ZZ.

>>15263028

G-Reco had awful pacing. It was typical Tomino pacing where the entire middle of the show basically just wandered and the beginning and end were rushed.

It's honestly sad how far people will bend over backwards to make up excuses how it's never Tomino's fault and he would be some epic genius for all times if only the ebil executives would let him.

Maybe the guy is just not that good. Maybe he was never actually that good and people read too deep into his mediocre work and see stuff that isn't there. Maybe Tomino is the Emperor's New Clothes.

>>15265771
If they didn't tell him to lighten up after fucking Zambot or Ideon then I don't see why Zeta would suddenly trigger them.

Honestly, he does enough fun goofy shit on his own that it's probably just a meme from fags who want their gendum grimdark.

>>15265771
>Sunrise was pissed at how dark the ending of Zeta was and they wanted him to lighten up with ZZ
Tomino wanted Emma to survive into ZZ where she'd end up as Judau's tragic crush (the irony is that her VA ends up voicing a character who fills a similar role). Sunrise wanted Emma to die in Zeta, clearly they were all for the grimdark.

From what I remember of interviews, Tomino's wife (and others?) said Zeta's ending was too depressing which prompted Tomino to throw out his initial ZZ draft and start with what we know. I'm guessing he became aware of his reputation in later years, which doubtless influenced the tone of Turn A, OKG, ANT and G-Reco.

>>15265741
Wait. Didn't Ideon get axed too. The series ends pretty suddenly.

>>15262290
>Another bad review from ANN "critics" that have no idea what they're talking about.

Par for the course, par for the course. ANN is irredeemable when it comes to commenting on mecha shows. Wether they're old, classic or new it's a lost cause. Everything is assessed through the "pushing the progressive agenda" filter.

>>15266195
>Everything is assessed through the "pushing the progressive agenda" filter.

That's not even the problem here - F91 is said to be unoriginal because it effectively reminded the reviewer of the AU Gundam shows(that came afterwards).

>>15265776
Yeah G-reco had some great animation, but it really needed an extra 10-15 episodes to pace stuff better or for tomino to not have a goddamn fight in nearly every episode.

>>15266267
>or for tomino to not have a goddamn fight in nearly every episode
Speaking as someone who enjoyed G-Reco, that was its biggest failing. As nice as the fights looked, they came hugely at the expense of the story.

>>15266267
>not have a goddamn fight in nearly every episode.
Every good mecha anime has fights ever episode so this statement is incorrect.

>>15266212
That's just OP sameposting in order to re-rail his ANN bitching thread.

>>15267936
prove it

>>15266040

>>From what I remember of interviews, Tomino's wife (and others?) said Zeta's ending was too depressing which prompted Tomino to throw out his initial ZZ draft and start with what we know. I'm guessing he became aware of his reputation in later years, which doubtless influenced the tone of Turn A, OKG, ANT and G-Reco.

I find that hard to believe. Considering how he wanted to do a story concluding Amuro and Char's rivalry, yet Tomino originally had Char be the final bad guy for Zeta's sequel, and only altered things when Sunrise approved of his project to wrap up Amuro and Char's rivalry.

>>15271465
>Bumps thread solely to reply to a 24 hour-old post.

Done. Here's your (you).

>>15262290
>It's an "OP act like he has been gangraped by niggers yet he keep coming wandering around in a gheto" thread.

F91 was awesome, /m/ needs a news network to counter all this normie shit

>>15271484

Char wasn't going to be the final bad guy for Zeta's original sequel though, if by that you mean Zeta Part II. The original documents for Zeta Part II have Char as an anti-hero trying to help Judau, not fighting him.

http://pastebin.com/0SkxGTUt

Mind you, I share your opinion and don't think that Sunrise forced Tomino on the tone of ZZ and would personally think the opinion that Sunrise were never there for Tomino when he needed them is wrong, and that he had fairly free reign by the looks of things on numerous projects, from Zeta, through ZZ and CCA in to Xabungle, Brain Powered, Turn-A and G-Reco. Anon might have said that G-Reco wasn't originally a Gundam project, but the first pictures of the G-Self with it wielding a spear standing on an orbital elevator look like an emaciated Astray unit, including the head having a face - and I'm pretty sure it was just not said whether or not it was a Gundam story, not definitely said that it wasn't a Gundam story.

Hell, in Turn-A he was able to do what Sunrise wouldn't allow in Victory and the Gundam didn't appear at all in the first episode, there were numerous episodes with no fighting and he was allowed to hire an American to do the mechanical designs. That's pretty strong evidence Sunrise gave him a lot of trust and leeway on the project. And it backfired, so it's no wonder they were a little more watchful with G-Reco, even if there's no real evidence of them fucking with production.