What the fuck was his problem?

Resources and amnesia as to his origin.

>>15171506
Autobots

>>15171506
Starscream kept failing him for the last time.

He just wanted to be supreme leader, but Optimal Roadkill kept stopping him. It didn't help that his right-hand man, Yukikaze, kept fucking up.

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He subconsciously knew that his descendant would be superior in every single way, and this made him butthurt.

>>15171543
>in every way

No. BW Megatron is better in being manipulative and planning, but he was no general. G1 Megatron you could believe was the commander of an army, which Ravage evens brings up in BW when comparing them.

>>15171546

BW Megatron literally enslaved the entire planet of cybertron and held everyone's souls in his fingers

G1 Megs was a Cobra Commander tier joke

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In the current comics continuity didn't they turn him into a frustrated revolutionary who was basically pushed past the moral breaking point by the machinations of the the abuses of the existing Transformers powers that be?

That seems kinda dumb. Like making Cobra Commander a socialist who worries about the little guy instead of an egomaniac who wants to see his face on the money/every federal building/every federal landmark/etc

>>15171551
>BW Megatron literally enslaved the entire planet of cybertron and held everyone's souls in his fingers

Let's not bring BM into discussion, ever.

>G1 Megs was a Cobra Commander tier joke

No that was Starscream, which was fitting since both were voiced by Chris Latta. People forget that a lot of the time, Megatron's plans actually worked out, generally because the Autobots weren't willing to risk human lives to stop them.

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>>15171555
Something like that, personally I like the idea of making Megatron more complicated than just a generic galaxy conquering bad guy.

>>15171551
>BW Megatron literally enslaved the entire planet of cybertron and held everyone's souls in his fingers

Off screen. Somehow. I was really hoping for a good explanation of this, but no, it never came up.

>>15171556

you can plug your ears all you want but that shit happened.

>>15171707

It did, and it was terrible, so let's never speak of it again.

>>15171506

I never got it. Are he and Optimus like, the Kings of the Autobots and Decepticons? Like they run the government?

I just thought they were the Captains of their respective ships which crashed onto Earth. I guess I was getting the Beast Wars storylines mixed up.

>>15171751
>I never got it. Are he and Optimus like, the Kings of the Autobots and Decepticons? Like they run the government?
>I just thought they were the Captains of their respective ships which crashed onto Earth.
yes.

>>15171755

Which is which?

Like, the Decepticons run Cybertron, and Megatron was their leader. Ergo he was King of the Decepticons right?

>>15171761
uhh yeah sure kid did you have your mom buy the toy yet or what

>>15171761
No, me Grimlock am King!

>>15171751

IIRC it was originally something like there was no autobots or decepticons, just cybertronians. Then one group (the ones who can fly) decided they want to rule everything.

>>15171772

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:Rulers_of_Cybertron

The wiki lists Galvatron, Megatron and Optimus as Rulers of Cybertron.

>>15171807
>just cybertronians

Interesting that in-universe no one uses the term "transformer" as a race. They just refer to themselves as Cybertronians.

>>15171817

Well they are from cybertron after all

>>15171506
He was built with a vertical shoulder cannon that's functionally useless, and he knows how cool shoulder cannons are but he also knows that he'll never fire his. This makes him sad.

Also he knows that Starscream really is the true ruler of the Decepticons, and his reign is only temporary.

>>15171872
>but he also knows that he'll never fire his.

Isn't it the barrel of his gun mode?

>>15171929
Yes, it is. The arm cannon is actually the Walther's scope.
There is some supplementary material that says he can use the back cannon if he wants, but IIRC we've never actually seen that happen.

>>15171948

Well iirc he was a tank before they went to earth

I always thought it was lame how he just became a handgun that had to be fired by other cons.

Later versions made him a tank or some other shit which is better but still

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What was his problem? Besides aiming issues.

>>15171998
>Megatron tells Shockwave to hold the fort until he gets back
>Megatron doesn't return for 4 million years
>Shockwave held control of the planet the entire time

He's the most competent decepticon ever

>>15171998
>Besides aiming issues.
That was just in the cartoon. As usual, the comic book version was much better.

>>15172017
On the one hand, neither Cybertron nor the Decepticon cause barely progressed in those 4 million years.
On the other hand, he WAS still able to maintain control for that long, despite dwindling resources and Autobot resistance.

>>15171953
Depends on the incarnation. We've never actually seen what G1 cartoon or comic Megatron transformed into before his reformatting.
>>15171998
Depth perception. Duh.
Seriously, Shockwave is the fucking best.

>>15172040
>That was just in the cartoon.
It was the Dr. SMOOV video more than anything.

>>15171671
Yeah megatron somehow built this amazing virus from scratch that tooknot everyone on cybertron. That was some bullshit.

>>15172113
>Yeah megatron somehow built this amazing virus from scratch that tooknot everyone on cybertron. That was some bullshit.

First he escaped despite being completely tied down. Then he did all that. And it was all off screen too.

Really, BM should have been its own series rather than a sequel. It just doesn't fit well. It'd be neat to start a series with new characters who are confused about what happened and Cybertron or whatever planet empty.

>>15172119
It didn't stop the goddamn execs. If you don't even tell the writers to watch BW, what's the point.

>>15172119
He didn't so much escape as the Maximals did a shitty job of tying him down.

It's not like he tricked them into leaving a piece of sharp metal for him to cut himself out while they weren't looking. He literally just got blown off during a shoddy re-entry.

He then took over Cybertron off screen. Which was jarring but I'll give it a pass, as it sets up the series. Although I would hasten to add, that while it's an impressive accomplishment, it's not a unique one, seeing as the original cartoon opened with Megatron already having taken over Cybertron and Shockwave holding onto it for 4 million odd years.

>>15172219
I actually liked Beast Machines. I thought it was really good on its own merit. I considered it its own thing with the Beast Wars as a template more than a prequel.

>>15172219

Not to mention taking everyone other with a virus isn't THAT different from the hate plague, it's just that he can control them.

>>15171817
>Interesting that in-universe no one uses the term "transformer" as a race.
A few have but not often.

>>15172503

Wasn't it mostly humans who called them that anyway?

>>15172506
Off hand, the one time I can remember the term being used is from that episode where Megatron locked a bunch of Autobots in their vehicle modes. He made a pun/joke about how they won't be able to call themselves "Transformers" anymore.

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>>15171948
We see it once...

>>15172230
>Beast Machines
My only problem is the near lack of levity, especially for the Maximals. Though to be fair they are always on the run, what with entire planet wanting them dead with no way to escape, and their numbers are limited.
Still, would've been nice if they didn't always get into group infighting.

>>15173265

My actual biggest problem was the total lack of characters. The world is dead, and there's only a handful on each side.

>>15174194
But Beast Wars was the same way until well into the series. The limitations of the hardware that they rendered with made it so that there was a limit to how many characters can even be on screen at once.

>>15171647
Yeah, while at first I didn't like the IDW characterization, it sheds some light on how Megatron became....well, Megatron.

Although the writing on how he's now Autobot is a little shaky, considering how many crimes he's committed and people killed. Prime even comments on how it feels a little off to have him on the Autobot side. Still, felt bad about what happened to Ravage.

>>15174520

BW still had a bigger cast, and they had lots of one-shot characters. BM is like the same 8 characters for the entire run.

>>15174620
what does he turn into by the end? I never made it quite to the point where he gets rebuilt and turns autobot.

As for the characterization; for the most part it works. Both him and Shockwave (previously senator shockwave) got that mindfuck treatment; Megatron's was not completed which is how he turned into that, whereas shockwave's fully removed everything except logic. Combined with empurada, you're left with a fucking monster.

>>15174992
I don't think his alt-form's ever been revealed

This is pretty tame for a transformers thread.

>>15171506
>What the fuck was his problem?

He only respected other transformers as life and was a fascist. That seems to be consistent across all megatrons.

Megatron wants to rule Cybertron like a military dictatorship with soldiers running the show. And he wants to use alien planets for materials and energy with no regard for anything living there.

Autobots just want to have jobs and shit and be left alone.

So from his pov, autobots are lazy little shits getting in the way of making Cybertron great again. To the autobots, Megatron is a scary tyrant that wants to waste their time with bullshit.

>>15174620
Its better than Star Saber being full DEUS VULT for no reason in IDW though.

>>15174620
>he's now Autobot
That almost makes me want to read the comics.

>>15171506
He wanted to destroy right authoritarian with left libertarian but then snapped and now fights for left authoritarian (which can be argued as right with the xenophobia)

So space hitler

>>15179293
>To the autobots, Megatron is a scary tyrant that wants to waste their time with bullshit.

Well I mean, he also kills anyone that opposes him

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>>15171526
>Yukikaze
HA

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>>15178988
/m/ isn't as enthusiastic and vicious as /co/ or /toy/ when it comes to TF.

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>>15179293
this

human turned into a bunch of dickheads after they receive cybertronian technology.

look at IDW, GI JOE crossover, and AOE. they always fucking slaughters autobots too.

>>15179494
Humans always become dickbags in Transformers. I guess I get it. Alien robots come to our planet and tear shit up without even asking first, that's enough to ruffle anyone's feathers but you'd think they'd learn it's more pragmatic to ally with the Autobots rather than fucking with both sides.

>>15179538

How do we know that the Autobots are good guys? Becuase they say so? We don't know who to trust.

>>15179538
>but you'd think they'd learn it's more pragmatic to ally with the Autobots rather than fucking with both sides.

Both sides fulfill the basic premise of having come down and torn shit up, so both of them leaving is required to re-establish the previous state.

This isn't rocket science outside of US foreign policy.

>>15179542
Because they're the ones who don't go out of their way to do harm and aren't always ranting about conquest.

>>15179545
I agree with that, but I'm sure the Autobots would be happy to leave once Megatron and his band of faggots are kicked out.

>>15179592
>Because they're the ones who don't go out of their way to do harm and aren't always ranting about conquest.

Humans don't talk to them, and don't know any better. They just see giant robots fighting. We, as the audience, know who the good guys are, but humans don't know this.

Also, in the original G1 show as far as I know, humans seemed to pretty much ignore the Cybertronians fighting on their planet.

>>15171555
He was also subjected to an unsanctioned partial lobotomy during his prison time.

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>>15175145
?

>>15181957

Tank/Canon makes way more sense. Turning into a tiny gun and being wielded by fucking Starscream is ridiculous. I can accept some minor mass gain/loss, as it seems inevitable, but they shouldn't strain it that much.

Why didnt starscream just snap megatron when he turned into a gun

>>15182110
Why would he snap a perfectly good gun?

>>15182114
Starscream also regularly fails himself.

bunp

>>15182000
Agreed.

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>watching animated
>TFW Megatron gets rebuilt and curbstomps at the end of season one

>>15171506
OP

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>don't leave me soundwave

Ironic that he'd actually be much safer among the Autobots. They'd repair him, disarm him, and imprison him. But he wouldn't die.

>>15188752

Yeah, Starscream was never going to ever let him live.

>>15171555
Thanks, Doc.

>>15171647
I don't really care for the whole 'If Megatron hadn't started the war, then the Functionists would have turned Cybertron into an Orwellian shithole' thing, though. That Laplace Box level of revisionist bullshit.

>>15179446
>left libertarian
If you're gonna invoke the Hitler analogy, at least use anarchist.

>>15191079
>revisionist
?????????????
it's separate universes

>>15188979
I mean, generally when Starscream tries shit the other Decepticons just ignore him. Who could have predicted that it would actually work this time? Even Soundwave doesn't put up a fight.

>>15179293
So basically Megatron is Trump.

>Tfw Devastation made me feel sorry for Megs

>>15171506
His girl Friday. >>15171510

>>15171555
>In the current comics continuity didn't they turn him into a frustrated revolutionary who was basically pushed past the moral breaking point by the machinations of the the abuses of the existing Transformers powers that be?
I'm torn on this. On one hand it give Megatron more depth than 'I am evil bwahaha!' but on the other end it goes into the usual pitfall Magneto fall into where people start sympathizing with a character who was intended be evil and then edgelords go 'Megatron did nothing wrong'.

I suppose one workaround is that Megatron was always, deep down in his spark, a twisted sick fuck or at the very least had the potential and all that power ultimately made him lose against his inner demon, killing whatever chance he had of not going down the dark path. He was always an asshole, even if he had supposedly good intentions once. Then that would mean his flaws was to not confront his inner demons but rather to embrace them.

>>15195438
Adding to this: IMO there are plenty of Transformers (across different continuities) who were assholes but strove to not be and eventually were more heroic for it. Rattrap was a sniveling coward, for example. And in the comics there are plenty of Autobots who can be assholes.

I know not everyone like the show, but a character who surprisingly is more like G1 Megatron than we might initially think is Animated Sentinel Prime. He is, for all intent and purposes, much like modern incarnations of Megatron only backing the current regime rather trying to overthrow it. He's not a good person (well, robot) by any stretch but he's not cartoonishly evil. He had friends, once. He was an okay guy with a bad side to him but rather than trying to work on these flaws he let them overcome him and consume him. And then this guy end up in power and become an even bigger douchebag.

>>15171998
>>15172058

>Seriously, Shockwave is the fucking best.

Damn truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXUTQV3UNUA

So, question for /m/ since /co/ are a bunch of faggots: what are the best comics? I've read shit all over the place over the years but never any specific run or era. Anything which is good and not some crappy tumblr pandering?

Some people are just assholes.

>>15172479
>Not to mention taking everyone other with a virus isn't THAT different from the hate plague
And that's why no one likes the notion, since the hate plague was awful.

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>>15195453
>>15195438

I don't mind shallow villains if they have cool designs, and do cool shit. Megatron fills that roll. Not everything has to be morally grey. Good guys vs bad guys can be a fun setting.

The only thing that I might add is to articulate that Megatron's goal is to revive Cybertron, and he just has no qualms about how to do it, and he's clearly a fascist. he has the German helmet design and gun which evokes Nazi imagry.

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>>15191443

While Frank Welker was great in Prime, does anyone else feel like his voice is too strong for the more classic, G1 looking Megatrons? It fits the savage gladiator look he had in Prime, but not really the militaristic, utilitarian aesthetic that CHUG Megatrons usually have. I also hear David Kaye whenever I think of IDW Megs.

>>15191443
>>>/tumblr/

>>15200891
His voice has gone rough from age and all that voice acting. It happen to everyone. That's why Peter Cullen is doing much deeper Optimus voices nowadays.

>>15200849
Wait hold on how does that make sense? Megatron want absolute order...yet hated the functionnist society, which was as ordered and as stratified, divided by purpose toward one goal? That make no fucking sense!

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>>15171506
Shockwave was a better leader than him.

>>15205584
Megatron just hate that he must act and function like how he was born/made. Otherwise he's still a tyrant.

What happened to IDW TF?

>>15171506
His ugly design.

>>15206544
Oh so IDW Megatron is yet ANOTHER hypocritical tyrant who only want rules as long as they don't apply to him. Wow that's....really fucking lame.

Or does his vision have a different way of handling things as opposed to functionism? His early stuff implies what he'd want is more of an anarchist or super meritocratic society but he then says 'Free will won't be missed' implying his ideal world would ironically not allow a place for other ambitious bot of lowly station like he was.

>>15207030
Tumblr hapenned.

>>15208094
He has character arcs that give somewhat more nuance. At the end of Dark Cybertron he subjects himself to the will of the courts, only asking that he might be tried by the Knights of Cybertron. So he joins half the cast and joins the autobots, does a sort of redemption storyline. Not really sure whats happened since then, but I thought that was rad.

>>15208105
Does IDW flesh out the 'cons more as a faction and WHY they follow Megatron?

>>15205584
>>15208094
Yeah a little. He initially resisted the corrupt stratification of Cybertron or whatever (and would inspire Optimus in the process). Corruption in the Cybertronian elite and his treatment at their hands caused him to change his tune real quick and he became the freedom fighter/terrorist we know and love.

So it seems like he's being super hypocritical in that image, and he is a little, but he's talking about where he is now and where he used to be, which are two different things. He used to have ideals but has since fallen.

>>15208094
You are trying to summarize over four years of comics and storylines in one not nuanced sentence.

At that page, he is not the same Megatron that started the Decepticon faction. Hell, the Megatron back then would never have something like the Justice Division and didn't even consider the relationship between cybertronians and organic life.

btw shockwave is the best IDW character

>>15208113
The dissatisfaction and class-divide on cybertron was well beyond even the current US condition.

Megatron was originally an activist, until he became one of the many to basically get his head rewired by a torture expert. It was left incomplete, so hypocrisy combined with "I'll just fucking murder them until they listen" is basically the least of his problems.

Other victims (with a completed mindfuck) were Senator Shockwave, who'd been a bit too progressive and a bit too quick on the uptake for his own good. Even that wasn't enough so they pulled an empurata on him: That's where they remove your humanoid head and hands, so that even PHYSICALLY you're to be seen as no longer even a person. His logic caused him to go full skynet given the 'problem' he'd been speaking out against was still right there.

Plenty of course joined the decepticons for opportunities to be complete monsters, just like any organization from cops to isis get as new recruits on occasion.

There's some that also believed either in the cause, OR in megatron himself.

>>15208157
Holy shit, IDW pre-war Cybertron seems like a fucking horrible place to live. Make the Maximal elders of the Beast Era and their supersoldier plan look like saint by comparison.

>>15208163
Yeah, basically the senate used the typical "that's just crazy-talk, go put on your tinfoil hat, librul" to run the "institute", where things like whistleblowers or people realizing they're being turned into cattle for those who "were built to be the leading elite" (by virtue of being the leaders, cue circular reasoning) were uh, "brought back in line" with the... alternative facts, if you catch my drift.

'shadowplay' was the act of literally getting into someone's brain and "fixing" whatever might cause them to deviate from the party line. Like, say, emotions, or the ability for rational thought. As always, "bullshit, our government would never do something like that" was spouted left and right - and if you didn't agree well you were going to after this weekend.

The senate, by the way, had gotten to that "you can only be SO rich and powerful" state we're seeing nowadays, where the only way to feel even more in power was to start crushing those below (there's very little value in getting a ninth yacht after all) to make more room for their pedestal.

There hadn't been a real opposition party in a long time (do the repub/dem parallels ever end?) and the senate even offered amnesty if the decepticon movement could obtain 10k signatures; they'd be recognized as a proper political party. As you can imagine, everyone that signed got a free all expenses charged trip to the institute in the middle of the night.

It also bombed itself and hired assassins to attempt to kill some of its own members, (again! again!) in order to pin it all on the decepticons, to show them as the bloodthirsty murderers they... weren't actually yet.

Shit got really bad after some senators started replacing entire jobs like mining with pure automation, JUST for the sake of pocketing all the energon and seeing the ex-miners basically starve to death.

It's only after that that megatron's group murdered the entire senate.

>>15208204
But, yes, by THAT point Megatron had effectively been broken like three times over, and basically wanted little more than to see Cybertron BURN, until he was completely certain there's no senators (there'd been a replacement bunch that was just as bad; see "Zeta Prime") or anything like them left, and THEN with him making damn sure nothing else rose up, he figured cybertron could rebuild (as seen in the comic up there). Of course that kinda means he'd turned to genocide, and no longer gave much of a fuck about anything else.

>>15208204
>Yeah, basically the senate used the typical "that's just crazy-talk, go put on your tinfoil hat, librul" to run the "institute"
>Snip
I don't know about you, but if anything pre-War Cybertron seems a lot more like the western world today, where special caste of people, separated into groups based on what they were born as, are granted special priviledge while the working class are treated like animals
>It also bombed itself and hired assassins to attempt to kill some of its own members, (again! again!) in order to pin it all on the decepticons, to show them as the bloodthirsty murderers they... weren't actually yet.
Again, sounds a lot like shit we see today. I know the writers are probably ironically very 'liberal' but this kind of setup doesn't seem to paint the senate as 'right winger' or conservative any more or less than me seeing them as modern day progressive without the facade of 'we are the good guys'.

>>15208216
the only 'use' of 'liberal' up there was for the "you're just crazy" naysayers, as that's invariably what gets tossed about. I'm well aware that just like on cybertron, it's not a right or left matter. Just like the senate, there's really just one side pretending to be two.

>>15208243
If anything, the only label I'd ascribe to your description of the Senate are: 'authoritarian' and 'corrupt' but knowing the writers (as all comic book writers are today) I'm sure they were trying to make it sound like their supposed enemies are really brainwashing people while ignoring the bullshit their own side constantly pulls off. Because when I think of stratified authoritarians who silence dissenters, I think of the shit I saw in university. I think of people being shut down for daring to point out that the people in charge are a bunch of corrupt hypocrite cloaked in supposedly good intentions. I think of which side today is in control and saying to us 'You can't say/think that' and 'You are X, therefore you must be like what we want category X to be'.

But that is a debate for another time and place and sorry I crapped up the thread.

>>15208216
Actually, conservative is only incorrect in that it's not as extreme on the spectrum (the senate had gone clean through to fascism).

A big part of all flavors of conservatism is a strong focus on enforcing the social heiarchy and preserving existing institutions. It's not a 'philosophy' (in fact treating conservatism and liberalism as philosophies is effectively a way of obfuscating what's actually being debated) but rather the act/state of the maximizing the existing power one's group has.

Most of the other things one has been taught to ascribe to "left" or "right" are in fact merely issues which a proper conservative/liberal debate would argue over. Take the Clampdown (aka Cybertron Patriot Act, designed by Cybertron PNAC); it was designed to reinforce the existing stratification, primarily by adding whole new ways to be considered "a threat" to the current social order, and by making punishments for doing so harsher still.

That is in fact a conservative stance - it's why despite the 'decoys' in the news, most groups in power tend to become highly conservative very quick; it's literally "how do we stay in power and keep things this way".

The other end of the spectrum was pre-mindfuck Megatron, whose arguments included things like "if the population's conditions were changed to no longer be so terrible, there would be less people willing to stoop to terrorism, and it would be harder to entice such acts from the desperate".

That, however, is a change that the senate did not want to accept (they were in fact doing just the opposite after all).

While conservatism is not authoritarianism, the drive to KEEP that authority at full power and the idea that some are above the laws while others should never dare think the wrong way, that IS conservatism at its worst.

We've just been poisoned by what's effectively 'newspeak', to prevent us from picking up on what's really being done to us by all (one) sides(-s) of the debates.

>>15171998
A heavy burden
https://youtu.be/R-ItfWY3xMQ

>>15205584
>Wait hold on how does that make sense? Megatron want absolute order...yet hated the functionnist society, which was as ordered and as stratified, divided by purpose toward one goal? That make no fucking sense!

He wants to eliminate the diversity. All cybertronians would be the same and face the same laws.

Though, much like Communist Russia, in doing so he would probably create a ultra powerful government, military and police force to keep everyone equal. Then again, cybertronians would be separated by political or job position.

He is doomed to become what he hates.

Is Lost Light any good?

>>15213327
There's been only like 3 issues tops so there isn't really enough to go off of. That said, Roberts hasn't been bringing his A game for a while.

>>15213327
Read "Optimus Prime" instead.
Of course you'll have to read a few years' worth of comics to get what's going on either way.

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>>15171647
There's better ways to do that than what IDW did
If they made up a story that Cobra Commander used to be a US General that got disillusioned, would it be better?
Fuck no, because the levels of villainy dont correlate

>>15200891
Fuck off you literal underage
>Prime
Double fuck off. Frank IS Megs. And im a goddamn BW baby

>>15171506
Wasn't his backstory that he was a gladiator that was sick of all the hypocrisy and bullshit the big guys in government were spouting? And that when he rebelled, years of war turned him into a monster, which caused Optimus to take up the cause and fight Megatron because he also thought the leaders were full of shit, but Megatron's rampage had to be stopped?

>>15216355
No, but I prefer it to Victorion.

>>15172040
>On the one hand, neither Cybertron nor the Decepticon cause barely progressed in those 4 million years.
>On the other hand, he WAS still able to maintain control for that long, despite dwindling resources and Autobot resistance.
He promised Cybertron would remain exactly as Megatron left it, and boy he wasn't joking.

I like to think something absolutely insane happened during those 4 million years like a massive alien invasion and not only did Shockwave defeat them, his OCD made certain to restore Cybertron to the exact state of ruin it was before, too.

>>15171776
King Bozo

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more like what the fuck was his problem??

>>15219348
Idiot executives preventing the writers from watching his own show.

>>15179431
Read it, Lost Light/More Than Meets the eye is great

>http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers:_More_than_Meets_the_Eye
>http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_One_Where_They_Go_to_Earth

>>15220174
Wait, what?

>>15220466
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Beast_Machines:_Transformers_(cartoon)#Production

>>15220546
That's dumb. The original idea for Nightscream also seems more interesting than what we got.

>>15216401
>Frank IS Megs.

I think Corey Burton did a better job as a G1 Megatron. I have to agree with the other guy, I never tied Welker to Megatron as much as Cullen is to Prime.

>>15171506
One thing I find oddabout the G1 cartoon compared ot other 80's cartoons is how bland Megatron is compared to hi henchmen. With Thundercats, everyone knows Mumm-Ra's hammy spiel first and foremost. With MOTU, its Skeletor's scenery chewing. And all of Cobra's high command in GI Joe is memorable, but it all revolves around Cobra Commander or even Serpentor.

Megatron, though, best works as a foil for Starscream. Soundwave and shockwave are more gimmicky, but similarly memorable. Megatron is just "The bad guy leader".

>>15220734
I think this is why I like Prime's Megatron a bot more than G1's (even with the nostalgia fueling that one). Welker's less screechy voice also seems more fitting.

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>>15220734

Megatron has a cool ass design, and voice. Also gets some great scenes. That is enough to make him memorable.

>>15171555
>Those hollow arms

>>15221278
Toy accurate.

>>15179494
where is your pic from? seems like an interesting AU

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Thoughts on this Megatron?

>>15186839
Animated was really fucking good.

>tfw season 4 never

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GENTLEMEN!
BEHOLD!!

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>>15225569
They gave him a throat.

>>15221946
It's from the 51 issue of (formerly) Robots in Disguise 2012, and is also the second issue of the All Hail Optimus.
It's not really much of an AU considering it's from the pretty old G1 reboot IDW made back in 2005

>>15171506
He is white.

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>>15225881
HE IS AMAZING

>>15222805
Shakespearean background, good method actor and improvisor

>>15222805
tranformerskino

>>15225881
And it makes pachinko sounds when you throw tiny transformers into his mouth.

>>15219348
Didn't he become the villain of the next Beast Wars series for no reason?

>>15225569
>>15225990
>Just like the original Trypticon only bigger with more articulation amd a gimmick that lets him eat tiny headmasters

The only problem I have with this is how much it'll kill my wallet.

>>15228137
Main villain was Megatron but Rhinox turned evil for a while too, yeah.

>>15171998
Well in the comics his personality was altered to be a cold, emotionless killing machine based on logic while his head was replaced with the cyber-cyclops head he has currently.

Dude was in the past a pretty nice guy that runs on hot-bloodiness (hot-energon?), and the only one in the senate that was for reforms, hence why he was changed.

>>15191443
Nah, Trump has some of comic book Nova Prime in him.

Unlike Nova Prime however, he has redeeming qualities and he won't change into Nemesis Prime and sport powers that are anti-life based.

>>15225906
Ackshually...he's more of a gunmetal grey. Also, I know, bait but it's semi funny bait.

>>15171506
His transformation is a pistol. A fucking pistol.

>>15233833
A Walther, too.

>>15171969

However, his firepower in gun mode, for some reason is much, much more powerful than his fusion cannon in robot mode.

>>15236020
Because he needs a reason to transform into a pistol. There'd be no point if his gun mode was weaker than his fusion cannon.

Is Megatron still aboard the Lost Light?

>>15236530
Technically? No. There was something of a Coup D'etat a few issues back.